[16:20] <stef204> hi, I need to take control remotely of a friend's computer on a different continent, so I can upgrade her system from 15+ to 16.04 LTS
[16:21] <stef204> she is really not skilled in IT so it will be difficult to get her to do much beyond installing a package
[16:21] <stef204> I was thinking of using Remmina with VNC
[16:23] <JohnDoe_71Rus> remote upgrade system for long-distance travel ;)
[16:23] <stef204> this means she would have to go into vino-preferences
[16:23] <stef204> I see this https://askubuntu.com/questions/155477/how-do-i-remotely-control-another-ubuntu-desktop-from-ubuntu
[16:23] <stef204> which seems simple enough
[16:23] <stef204> BUT.....
[16:24] <JohnDoe_71Rus> may be just ssh?
[16:24] <stef204> not so easy. I tried it here locally and already running into problems even though I checked the box UpNP
[16:24] <stef204> I think I have to open a port in router
[16:25] <stef204> JohnDoe_71Rus: not sure it will help since I really doubt she has a sshd running
[16:25] <JohnDoe_71Rus> for vnc port need to
[16:25] <stef204> and she is behind a run-of-the-mill consumer router
[16:25] <stef204> time warner or something like it
[16:25] <stef204> which probably blocks ports
[16:26] <stef204> yes, I need a port for vnc as well although I thought checking hte Upnp option in vino would be enough
[16:27] <stef204> I can port scan her first (with her permissions, obviously) and see if she has an open port
[16:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://www.teamviewer.com
[16:27] <stef204> but I doubt it
[16:27] <stef204> JohnDoe_71Rus: that's what I DON'T want to use, TeamViewer
[16:27] <apt-ghetto> Instead of the easy solution we try first the complicate solution?
[16:27] <stef204> I hate it and do not trust it
[16:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> but work use teamviewer servers
[16:28] <stef204> RealVNC apparently offers some type of Cloud solution where both ends connect to
[16:28] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i don't trust to
[16:29] <stef204> RealVNC says connection is encrypted but who is to know for usre. But that doesn't matter so much as the only activity would be the upgrade
[16:30] <stef204> is there a software firewall enabled by default in Lubuntu (15+)?
[16:31] <stef204> if yes, that would be additional trouble, on top of her router
[23:23] <ShellcatZero> I just installed Lubuntu-core on an Ubuntu Server 18.04 as it's primary desktop environment, and most of the menu icons appear to be missing for whatever reason.  Installing Lubuntu-desktop did not help either, any ideas?