[00:01] merry christmas #ubuntu === MerryChristmas is now known as bdw [00:14] & to you === capella|away is now known as capella [00:22] it's pretty sad when I have to fire up a windows box because uCUNTu's network manage is too stupid to deal with manual network configs easily [00:24] i've never had issues using manual network configs [00:24] obviously YMMV [00:24] good for you [00:28] keep trying, eventually you'll find what you're doing incorrectly [00:29] flyback: Configuring a network interface manually in Ubuntu is incredibly simple. Your attitude highlights the near-guarantee that the problem you're having is with the operator, not the system. [00:29] there is a way to see memory usage? [00:29] badSophia: Depends on what you're trying to see. free, top, etc. [00:29] there is a gui app? [00:29] i can’t remember it [00:30] i think that it is xxxtop? [00:30] iosecure: [00:30] No idea. [00:30] gtop? [00:30] I don't generally use a GUI for system-level things like this. [00:32] lol [00:32] it is htop iosecure [00:32] :) [00:33] I know how to configure a network [00:34] the issue I am talking about if when you are trying to packet sniff or configure a router [00:34] ubuntu will keep cycling trying to auto config it even after you tried to setup manually [00:34] I seen it for 10+ yrs [00:34] No, it won't. [00:35] I don't know why I think it will ever change and just stick to another linux on a laptop for oddball configs [00:35] So your assertion that you know what you're doing is... well, unsupported. [00:35] like I said [00:35] nothing ever changes [00:36] sw bugs and smug assholes that code them [00:36] "tried to setup manually" is a lot different when compared to "actually setting up a successful manual connection" [00:38] That, folks, is a case study in the Dunning-Kruger effect. [00:43] or just masochism [00:44] A home router is easy to setup not sure why you need to packet sniff [00:45] the next time you are going to /msg me iosecure and lecture me, don't be a fucking sniveling little coward and have server side ignore enabled [00:45] iosecure: frealz [00:45] flyback: why do you need packet sniffing to setup a router? [00:46] no I said packet sniffing a device or setting up a router sometims i've watched network manager keep trying to butt in [00:47] Uh that has never happened to me [00:47] yeah well i've seen it many times before [00:47] over the years [00:47] it doesn't matter now === DrWatson_ is now known as DrWatson [01:40] Why do accounts by default have access to eachothers home folder? [01:40] Not super secure.... [01:45] That's a default inherited from Debian for reasons I'm not entirely sure of. [01:46] I change /etc/adduser.conf on all systems to set the directory mode to 0700 for new users. [02:00] iosecure: Thanks. === jpe___ is now known as jpe [02:41] I have set fail2ban to test/check/block too many ssh attempts - this part IS workinkg, at least fail2ban-client status ssh tells me that the ip is blocked - yet the ip is NOT blocked - clearly I am missing something about telling it how to interface with iptables - any guidance would be appreciated [02:41] iptables -L shows nothing blocked [02:58] jpmh: run fail2ban in INFO or DEBUG mode -- stop fail2ban, edit & change /etc/fail2ban/fail2ban.(local|conf) to logLevel=INFO or DEBUG, start fail2ban, and look at the logs [03:03] hggdh: added the line to jail.local - is that where you want it - retstarted fail2ban - still looks like it is working but iptables -: still has no links and I see no log [03:04] hggdh: I sort of suspect that I need to do something to tell iptables about this and that this is what I am missing [05:00] I launched Discover and started an update hours ago. But it seems to be stuck and it's blocking me from shutting the computer down. [05:00] What do I do? [05:04] I'm on 18.04.1 by the way. [05:04] Well I was gonna turn off the computer and go to sleep. I'll just leave this on and hopefully someone posts a link I can read in case this is a known issue. [05:04] Mylon: what kind of error message do you see? [05:28] Anyone here used to building kernels? [05:29] I'm running amdgpu and I'm working on compiling kernel for first time [05:29] I want to compile the drm-next-4.21 since I don't see any downloads [05:29] notbobdole: we dont really reccomend building kernels yourself [05:29] I want to start testing the support for my graphics drivers that are coming out on that kernel development branch [05:29] notbobdole: use the !mainline existing kernels instead to experiment with [05:30] Unfortunately doesn't support my hardware 1/4th the performance it should be getting. There is a reason I'm asking [05:30] should I ask in another channel? [05:30] notbobdole: wich kernel version are you gonna build exactly? [05:30] oh 4.21 nvm [05:31] origin/drm-next-4.21-wip [05:31] specifically for the amdgpu updates [05:31] notbobdole: maybe the #ubuntu-devel and #kernel are more channels for you then, i see mainline goes until 4.20 [05:32] Aight I'll try the devel channel since I"m running ubuntu. I know ubuntu has their own flavours of patches but not familiar. [05:33] notbobdole: we always looking for users to contribute on ubuntu, isnt it possible you test your graphics drivers against 4.20 mainline? [05:34] !mainline | notbobdole have a look mate [05:34] notbobdole have a look mate: The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [05:34] I suspect there's a reason he's looking at that specific development branch. [05:34] There is. [05:34] Mainline doesn't have support. I'm already running 4.20 latest build off mainline [05:36] radeon mobile graphics performance in 4.20 is still 1/4th of what the onboard integrated graphics are on mobile. i read on a stack overflow that the 4.21 drm wip updates get performance to be bearable [05:37] Pure amd laptop, I'm a devops guy, and know the basics of systems but this is the most involved I've gotten with this kinda thing. It is holidays so I have time and am trying to learn some new stuff. [05:37] notbobdole: as you are on ubuntu, and your driver doesnt work on the mainline kernels, why dont you help our community and file a !bug against? [05:38] plenty of bugs going and they're all in the 4.21 wip branch [05:38] I don't know the state of things until I tried that afaik [05:38] right [05:38] If I am misunderstanding let me know. [05:38] notbobdole: so, and your bug is one of the existing bugs then? [05:39] many reported bugs about the performance issues/support, yes. [05:39] And I read things are a lot better in 4.21 drm next [05:40] notbobdole: thats very general, but i rest my case, try the #ubuntu-devel channel perhaps or #kernel [05:40] I would suspect that that bug would get marked as WONTFIX even if it were filed. The amount of effort necessary to backport those changes compared to just using the HWE kernel from 19.04 when it launches? [05:40] posted in ubuntu-devel earlier. I will hop over to kernel also I suppose. [05:43] iosecure, I don't see any reason it will be marked as wontfix for future kernel development. A large amount of the amdgpu work has been merged in for 4.20 with a lot of vega updates (will help my dekstop). But the latpop stuff is really comign through for 4.21 and later from what I'm reading. all of which is in git wip branches. [05:43] notbobdole: I'm not talking about the kernel bugs themselvse. [05:43] I'm talking about opening a bug against Ubuntu's current kernel packages specifically. [05:45] Ah yeah. Future kernels only from what I can tell. [05:45] notbobdole: Generally, a bug filed against against a distro-patched kernel is fixed by backporting changes or patches from future kernels, as long as the patch can be cleanly applied. [05:46] In this case, the significance of the change, combined with the likelihood that a fixed kernel or newer will be available in 19.04, means that Canonical will probably just wait. === Suicidal_Santa is now known as mobile_c [06:01] Well other two channels have been silent. I'm compiling something right now. Hopefully a working kernel. :D [06:01] new user here, can i ask a question [06:01] yes [06:01] i'm running ubuntu off a usb right now and i was wondering if [06:01] installing to disk here would cause the liveusb to [06:01] shut off [06:02] i'm running a hard drive recovery simultaneously so it's important that the computer doesn't shut off now [06:02] qwebirc98864: No, at the end of the install process you will be prompted to reboot if you want to [06:02] ah thanks [06:02] :) [06:02] qwebirc98864: just be careful and make sure you don't blindly click reboot and you should be fine [06:02] notbobdole: its holidays, patience might be needed :p [06:03] I have no patience :D (It is holidays at 1AM for me) [06:03] Also only other reason I'm doing this is my machine successfully booted. I thought my SSD died a few days ago [06:04] notbobdole: you cant boot your amd card with any other kernel then 21? [06:05] Performance is the issue, I can boot, but the integrated graphics is a 1400 score on glmark vs a 500 with the dedicated card [06:06] notbobdole: wich drivers are you testing exactly? [06:07] amdgpu is in development to the kernel. Supposedly the newwest updates fix a lot of performance issues on the mobile chipset. Radeon RX 560x [06:07] but i'm not sure if I understood question [06:08] just installed 18.04. where would i go to install fvwm or xfce? [06:08] notbobdole: check here: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux [06:08] i see "ubuntu software" but searching for fvwm turns up no results [06:09] lotuspsychje: Those aren't the open source drivers in the kernel. [06:09] lotuspsychje, you're scratching the surface with the weeds on this. Those don't get you the kernel updates where the actual amdgpu support is being worked on in kernel. Amdgpu pro (proprietary) does not support mobile graphics (Or at least swapping), nor does it have proper testing for mobile graphcis. Desktop only [06:10] iosecure: you cant have decent performance on the opensource drivers [06:10] the same you cant game properly on nouveau, you need some latest nvidia drivers too [06:11] you aren't familiar with the amdgpu open source development then [06:11] lotuspsychje: I believe that the process of adding and refining capability is referred to as "development." [06:12] development vs performance are 2 different worlds [06:12] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.21-Jump-Start-2019 [06:12] lotuspsychje: Development leads to performance. I'm not really sure what point you think you're making. [06:12] He's used to the nvidia environment. That is all [06:13] amd is hugely invested into kernel development and getting proper kernel support for their stuff now. [06:13] where as nvidia is "install proprietary and cry about your blobs" [06:13] !info fvwm | bleb [06:13] bleb: fvwm (source: fvwm): F(?) Virtual Window Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.6.7-3 (bionic), package size 2341 kB, installed size 6734 kB [06:14] notbobdole: come discuss it in #ubuntu-discuss [06:15] lotuspsychje: yeah i can just use apt-get [06:15] but i guess i was expecting there to be a gui for this [06:16] is there anything where I can have gsconnect's sms notifications appear in a separate window so I can have a conversation? [06:17] the notifications don't flow well and sometimes disappear before I can click reply [06:19] !pm | iosecure [06:19] iosecure: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. [06:19] I wasn't asking you a question. I was giving you sage advice. [06:20] you can give me advice in #ubuntu-discuss [06:20] I used the forum that I intended to. [06:20] But now I'll say it here: Be helpful, or be quiet. [06:20] dont use the main channel to discuss things [06:20] Be helpful... or be quiet. [06:23] lotuspsychje, you're being insufferable, you know. [06:24] notbobdole: feel free to discuss it in #ubuntu-discuss [06:24] He's literally -always- like this. It's ridiculous. [06:25] so i did apt-get install fvwm xfce, but neither appear in the menu in gdm [06:25] is there some trick to this? [06:26] bleb: For xfce, you might try installing the xubuntu-desktop metapackage. [06:26] Should set up everything necessary for xfce. That might pull in more packages than you want, though. [06:28] iosecure: what's the difference between that and just installing xfce? [06:29] These days, probably not a great deal. [06:29] bleb, honestly some extras. It is a more meta package that has a few extra buntu configurations, and I think it also handles gdm configs for ya [06:29] ok cool i'll give it a go [06:29] and what if i want to try fvwm? [06:30] maybe it will show up if i make a .xsession [06:30] No idea there, unfortunately. [06:30] bleb, I've not used fvwm but I use i3wm. gdm has a config option on login to select your gui [06:31] bleb: check the official wiki here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FVWM [06:34] Doesn't answer his question of if he wants to use both, lotuspsychje . Further that article looks awefully old and might be out of date. [06:35] notbobdole: that article is older and still working and relevant [06:35] notbobdole: fvwm still in the official repos [06:36] That page hasn't seen any meaningful updates in ten years. [06:37] so? [06:37] but his question as about "What if I want to use fvwm?" which was asked after getting an answer on getting GDM configured with xfce. So the implication is a question about using both.. not installing fvwm [06:37] notbobdole: the page describes howto integrate with gdm, as he asked [06:38] notbobdole: and if you readed well, his first question was howto install fvwm [06:40] lotuspsychje: "01:25 so i did apt-get install fvwm xfce, but neither appear in the menu in gdm" [06:40] That, already, conflicts with your wiki page. So it seems not being updated in ten years is relevant. [06:40] lotuspsychje: Again, we arrive at this: Be helpful, OR BE QUIET. [06:41] not just "Link to random crap that is 10 years old" [06:43] iosecure notbobdole if a wiki is outdated, it will mention the info needs updating at the top, also if you find something thats not usuable anymore on the wiki's please report it to the wiki team [06:43] beep boop [06:44] Doesn't do much good at this moment, R2. [06:44] you can always come to discuss about it in #ubuntu-discuss [06:45] you keep disturbing the main support channel notbobdole iosecure so pls dont [06:45] lotuspsychje: The biggest disturbance in here is you. Be helpful, or be quiet. [06:46] so i installed xubuntu-desktop and i still see no xfce in the gdm menu [06:46] only "ubuntu" and "ubuntu wayland" [06:46] bleb: I'm not certain if GDM requires a restart to pick up new session options. [06:46] iosecure: i believe it does [06:46] bleb: have you tried turning it off and back on? [06:47] bleb: i'm not being sarcastic [06:47] bleb, iosecure beat me to it. Did you try restarting or systemctl restart gdm? [06:56] yeah restarting worked lol [06:57] also looks like i didn't need to install xubuntu-desktop either [06:57] fvwm and xfce were in the menu [06:57] Nice. I don't think there's much difference between the xfce metapackage and the xubuntu-desktop metapackage these days. [06:57] Glad it works. [06:58] well xubuntu-desktop contains stuff like libreoffice [06:58] Yeah sorry about the bloat :) [06:58] didn't occur to me ya hadn't restarted/reloaded gdm. it is so automatic to me since I install from server all the time. [06:58] Well, that metapackage is pretty much the entire Xubuntu release, so it makes sense. [07:00] its ok i purged it [07:00] bleb, you can view the apt log and it will tell you what was installed due o meta package. You can use that to uninstall if you want [07:00] should be /var/log/apt/term.log [07:00] i just did apt-get purge xubuntu-desktop and apt-get autoremove [07:00] or more simply the history.log [07:01] Ah, I'm always paranoid with purge/autoremove [07:01] good to know i should be careful... its a fresh install anyway [07:07] bleb: i'm glad it works for you [07:07] also, i personally install xubuntu-restricted-extras with xubuntu-desktop [07:08] bleb: it isn't necessary, but it gives access to some things you might use [07:09] cool thanks [07:18] hi there. I just installed Ubuntu 18.10. I'm using HexChat as my IRC client. since it's a GTK 2 app, and I guess I only have some default GTK 2 theme installed, it doesn't fit in very well with the rest of the desktop. how can I choose a new GTK 2 theme? [07:20] heycam, hexchat has themes, so you might be able to set it up to use one that is gtk3-like. But otherwise I'd recommend maybe looking into Konversation [07:20] which is then QT based [07:21] I can't help out much with themes other than reading the online guides on applying themes to hexchat. I use it myself but I don't have much of ui with i3wm. [07:22] i guess if you wanted it to match the general looks of gnome3, you'd need a gtk3 based irc application [07:23] notbobdole: I figured that HexChat's themes are just for the colours of the main chat area rather than the UI like the menu bar etc. but I see now in https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/appearance.html#theme-files some instructions on how to choose a GTK theme there [07:23] so that might be my best shot [07:23] tomreyn: is there such a thing? :) [07:23] heycam, I did google before I posted and did not find anyone recommending a gtk3 irc yet. [07:24] or at least not in droves like there are for hexchat/konversation [07:24] I have been mostly happy with HexChat. it doesn't quite handle hidpi screens well though. [07:24] (which I guess is again because it's not using GTK3) [07:26] polari and srain are gtk3 based irc clients. [07:26] heycam, shot in the dark: https://ryanclouser.com/2015/07/16/GNOME-3-14-HiDPI-Scaling-4K/ [07:26] but i guess they're very young projects [07:27] gtk3 is relatively young if I am not mistaken though. So not sure what to expect. I just didn't see many people recommending it (specifically when talking about hexhcat alternatives) [07:28] I'm just bashing my head in a wall trying to compile a kernel. Failing. but at least there is an effort. [07:31] tomreyn: notbobdole: thanks for your help [07:41] has anyone had any luck playing fortnite on linux? [07:43] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/9p371j/fortnite_is_working_again_on_wine/ [07:44] It breaks and works. gmish_ their anti-cheat isn't yet accepting wine translations it seems. Give it a couple months imo. [07:49] Hello, using 18.04 / kernel 4.15.0-39-generic. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11417187/getsockopt-so-original-dst-occasionally-returns-client-address [07:50] getsockopt( ... SOL_IP, SO_ORIGINAL_DST ... ), occassionally responding wrong data source IP, instead of destination IP. [07:50] Is there a bug filed for this already (or) somewhere a log noting this ? [07:51] roobesh: ypu really need to search launchpad to find out if there is an existing bug [07:54] Thanks ducasse, i will check over here ubuntu-bugs and launchpad === glitchz_ is now known as glitchz [08:58] How Do I log into communitheme from Ubuntu Budgie (there is no environment changer in the log-in screen) ? [09:00] AuroraAvenue: i think the communitytheme is for ubuntu-desktop [09:00] but a desktop environment should work ant desktop? Anyway - I am ignoring YOU - because all you do is be pessimistic. [09:01] **any [09:02] your choice AuroraAvenue sure [09:02] AuroraAvenue: pretty sure he is right, the communitytheme is for ubuntu-desktop [09:03] oh okay - but how do i change a desktop in ubuntu-budgie? [09:03] and thanks. [09:04] you install the desktop you want and choose at the login screen [09:04] but there is no option to "switch" in the menu.. I shall try again .. [09:05] you might need to restart your display manager [09:09] So I'm guessing ubuntu didn't install anything during the first installation, and now I need drivers for RTL8821CE, how do I install them for 18.10? [09:10] by install anything, I mean install all the proprietary crap after the base install. [09:14] Also when i watch youtube I have to move the mouse every minute, or so, to keep the video playing. Sound okay, but video jurkey. [09:17] might be a problem with your video drivers, which gpu and driver is this? [09:19] nolsen: the drivers in ubuntu should be loaded automaticly, if not there might be some problems in dmesg/syslog [09:19] nolsen: realtek is also pretty picky on kernel versions you might want to boot other kernels as a test [09:25] nolsen: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1071299/how-to-install-wi-fi-driver-for-realtek-rtl8821ce-on-ubuntu-18-04 [09:25] ^^ first google hit [09:27] ducasse: Yeah I am using the github method now, it works. [09:27] Is that seriously the only option right now? [09:28] seems so [09:28] better option: don't buy realtek [09:28] If that was a choice [09:28] I mean it is, but [09:28] Really hard to avoid [09:29] When most of the laptops cram realtek [09:40] ducasse, its a standard thinkpad X201 - do I need extra drivers? Didn't think so. [09:40] eed to get the fan cleaned at some point. [09:40] **need [09:41] Anyone have an old System76 they wanna get rid of ? [09:42] try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic instead of here [09:42] k, sorry. [09:43] I've gotta go - laters. & thanks. === akemlenovo__ is now known as akemLenovo [10:50] hi [10:50] i need help [10:50] i have imac late 2013 [10:50] i want to dualboot with ubuntu [10:51] does ubuntu support apfs+ file system [10:56] Hi, where should i put the plugin in Audacity via Snap? [10:56] because "~/.audacity-files/plug-ins" doesn't exist in the snap dir either [10:57] hi TheoX. you should have separate partitions or storages to boot OS X and ubuntu [10:58] TheoX: grub, the boot loader ubuntu uises, can actually boot off HFS+ file systems, but i don't think linux can boot off it. or if it can, that this wuold be a good idea. [11:01] do you have snap channel anywhere? [11:02] Sia-: your ~/.audacity-files/plug-ins would normally be accessible to a snap, from what i read. [11:03] there is #snap, i think [11:03] or is it #snapcraft? [11:03] no doesn't exist [11:04] #snappy [11:09] im installing ubuntu now [11:09] on drive /sda [11:09] i installed the boot [11:10] and on /sda5 i installed the linux which is a free space [11:11] i have windows 10 pro on ssd drive [11:11] and mac osx mavericks and mojave and ubuntu on my hdd [11:13] Hello, i bought a separate drive for a dual boot system (winXP+linux) because the windows disk doesn't have enough space at the start. so i plan to install grub and OS on sdb, and for that i guess i should use the mnaul configuration. but i dont' know what i should be carefull with in the settings. this is a MBR system. back in the days you would create / and /swap. but what about now? do i need anything else? do i need /swap or is the [11:13] file used nowadays? [11:14] i have 4 GB ram, but soem games will be played, so i guess i can expect swapping. [11:16] it's a 2TB drive is it OK to have only one partition with ext4? [11:19] Gregor3000: if you don't need anything fancy such as full disk encryption, lvm or raid, you should be fine witrh a single partition for / [11:19] Gregor3000: it's common to use swap files now. [11:19] (not partitions) [11:20] tomreyn: so basically all i need to do is pu grub on /dev/sdb, create a root partition and the swap file will be created later on automatically? [11:20] Gregor3000: i would not recommend to risk the integrity of the ubuntu installation by dual-booting it with another unsupported / EOL OS. [11:21] putting grub on sdb (2nd bios hdd) won't get you to load grub unless you'll have the bios boot order changed. [11:21] the winxp is on separate disk. it will be used to run old games taht don't work in wine, while i want to move everything else (internet etc.) to Ubuntu. [11:21] yes i also need to change the boot order in bios [11:22] tomreyn: the second OS being EOL has nothing to do with the "integrity" of the ubuntu installation [11:22] at least not any more than just installing Win 10 [11:22] that being said running XP for any reason is bad on its own [11:22] but if you disable networking in XP you'll be fine, you don't need it for older games [11:24] windows xp has firewall and antivirus. thewre is another firewall in the routed. it is quite ok. but problem is it is much less safe than any updated OS. [11:24] cred: if you run an insecure OS on the system, whic had write access to all storages, sure it does put integrity of all storages and thus all installed software (and OS) at risk [11:24] *which has [11:24] i started to install Kubuntu on default when i remembered that it might try to put grub on sda, so i aborted, then it got me thinking i dont' know the new partition i would need an di remembered i also read abotu swap files being used now. [11:25] depends on how you're using XP. If you're not exposing it to the Internet the risk of infection is tiny [11:26] also, I'm not sure what kind of threat surface you're talking about. You're saying that there's 0day unpatched malware for XP that writes Linux partitions to target Linux installations? [11:26] cred: i disagree, but this is not the right place to discuss it [11:26] cred: at the moment it is exposed through browser, though i have script blocker and alow very few sites to run the scripts [11:26] It sounds silly that someone would put so much work into a small demography like dual booters [11:26] anyway, i need root and that's it. swap file is created automatically or if not can be created later, right? [11:27] Gregor3000: You're risking your entire system by running XP, as long as you understand that, fine [11:27] and grub goed on /dev/sdb right? then i can use grub script to boot to windows XP. [11:27] i understand, which is why i will try to move as much stuff as possibel to linux. [11:28] note that if your linux partitions aren't encrypted, they are still at risk of being read. They are *always* at risk of being destroyed. [11:28] winXP will then be used for lan games and some old games that can't run in wine. the PC is very old but got updated, so it can run FPS games to about 2009, 2010. [11:28] Gregor3000: swap is not necessary for the system to function. [11:28] Gregor3000: the reason *why* you're using XP is irrelevant, you're running an EOL operating system on your box that will not be patched, your exposing yourself to data loss as best, being rooted at the worst [11:28] but if PC is on overnight and goes to "sleep" then swap is used, right? [11:29] swap will help avoid OOMs on 4GiB [11:29] swap is used for hibernation (no power used), not suspension (low power usage) AFAIK [11:29] Gregor3000: sleep is usually S3 suspend, where power is retained to preserve RAM. Hibernate (S4) is when RAM content is saved to disk [11:29] ok hibernation [11:29] Gregor3000: the ubuntu installer can actually install to the first disk, too, if you would prefer this. it can shrink the existing windows installation, replace the boot loader and make it chainload into windows. [11:30] i would need to move windows instalation. the first disk has 3 partitions plus empty disk space. anyway i think it will be safer and easier to do it all on second disk. [11:31] Gregor3000: makes sense; don't upset the Windows install :) [11:31] if i make windows parittions move, then i need to do another full backup /image... [11:31] Is there a reason why you don't want a swap partition? [11:31] Gregor3000: with 2 disks the boot-loaders wiil not over-write each other either... just MAKE SURE when installing Ubuntu, at the BOOTLOADER device choice stage, you choose the NEW DISK! [11:32] Gregor3000: separate disks should work. consider having a separate /home directory so you'll be able to reinstall ubuntu without having to restore your personal data from backups. [11:32] its not that i don't want swap i am asking if i need to make a partition or is the file supposed to be handling that nowadays. if partition is better i will create on at the end of the disk. [11:32] just go ahead and create a swap partition of the recommended size unless you have a good reason not to [11:33] the installer will suggest it for you [11:33] ok [11:33] if you're installing on a separate disk you can just use the guided partition in the ubuntu install and it will select everything for you, it will later detect other OS:es on your system and add it to your grub menu, just make sure your BIOS is set to boot your linux disk first so you actually get grub [11:34] and one of the things it will do for you is decide the swap partition size [11:35] separate /home is ok, but i will have data backed up automatically anyway. and then you need ot decide on the home size. and not all games and apps install to home. as i know some use other folders as well. so if i created 100 gb root it could happen i would run out of space if certain games installed into other folders. [11:35] cred: but guided partition will probably try to install grub to sda right? [11:36] and it should be on sdb [11:36] Gregor3000: it should detect Windows so you'd have to explicitly say "overwrite this disk" I think [11:36] I don't have time to test but I'd think it would see the second disk and allow you to overwrite that one completely [11:36] Gregor3000: the boot-loader choice comes at the end, not whilst partitioning [11:37] yes it did that, but i aborted it at 68% [11:37] oh so it iwll ask where to put the grub? [11:37] My system does not seem to find a OpenCL2.0 platform and i am wondering what kind of packages i need to achive this - clinfo output is : https://hastebin.com/divufehaze.js [11:37] Gregor3000: yes, as I said above, that is when you have to be sure to select the correct device! [11:37] i wasnt' sure it would do that so i aborted [11:37] if you're using the guided install I don't think it asks you, but if it does obviously it shouldn't go on your Windows disk [11:37] i will check online... [11:38] Gregor3000: all the questions should be asked BEFORE the installer starts copying files, so if it got to 60% you missed the questeion [11:39] on the desktop installer, with manual parititoning, the grub install taget is a drop down box on the bottom of the same screen where you do the manual partitioning [11:40] Is it? So long since I used an installer but I thought with guided it's a 'final' question page [11:40] I am running ubuntu 18.04 with an old computer that doesn't provide a M.2 SSD slot. However, my mother board has two PCIe X 16 slots (cross fire) and only one of them is being occupied by a display card. I just want to know if it is possible to insert a M.2 SSD adapter into the unoccupied slot. [11:40] that's how it is with d-i [11:42] is this still representitive of the boot-device question? https://imgur.com/WgzKD8K [11:43] ok so i guess i will just go manual. most guides recomend it if installed doens't notice windows and offers the "alongside" option [11:44] tj-: that the manual instal the "something else" option [11:45] ok, so 18.04, take two.... see you on the other side... i hope. [11:45] Gregor3000: ahh; All my installs are either cloned images or debootstrap-ed [12:01] lotuspsychje: There is no error message. That's the problem. Discover is simply stuck and not doing anything. [12:12] Trying to reboot, I get "logout cancelled by ../discover" [12:13] Discover is stuck at "Update - Installing" at 0%. [12:17] I ended up killing the process. apt-get seems to be working fine. [12:22] I'm on server 18.10 with xfce installed. CPU graph panel plugin somehow disappeared, can I reinstall it? [12:35] hi [12:35] greetings [12:35] Salutations. [12:36] anyone has cpanel access? [12:38] yes i think so (haven't tried 18.10, but it shjould be in 18.04) is this still representitive of the boot-device question? https://imgur.com/WgzKD8K [12:39] I guess 18.04.1 supports ryzen apu, correct? [12:39] knstn: not really. you'll need to wait for HWE to get full support. [12:39] that usually lands in .2 [12:40] But but, support added since kernel 4.10 [12:40] knstn: fine, enjoy the stability issues. :) [12:40] i've used AMD for years. new support takes time to stabilize. [12:41] knstn: 18.04.1 comes with 4.15. 4.18 is available via HWE packages in 'proposed' [12:42] I was looking for support in debian, which can be done if you backport 4.18, an xorg update, and proprietary amd firmware for vega gpu. Isn't there a workaround in ubuntu? [12:43] it's probably a similar situation, maybe it also works out of the box on 18.10, but i'd rather suggest installing 18.04 with a ppa [12:44] maybe it also works out of the box on 18.04, just give it a try. [12:46] let me duckduckgo it for a while,i guess there will be something to be done [12:46] knstn: yes, well, ryzen's video drivers didn't land until 4.15.x, and that's not very old. [12:46] knstn: so running very recent kernels are a good idea for AMD Ryzen to work properly. [12:47] It's just how Linux is with new hardware. It tends to suck for awhile. [12:47] amd ryzen, the cpu, works fine on 16.04 and 18.04. [12:48] tomreyn: maybe so, i just know the GPU stack tends to take the longest to stabilize. [12:49] yes, this can take a while [12:50] How do I change my touchpad behavior so two finger tap is a middle click instead of three finger tap? [12:50] A lot of the searching I do online is for pre 18. 18.04 has practically no options in the mouse gui setting. [12:52] I mean... Changing the behavior of different kind of taps is there, but it's all grayed out. [12:54] :ryuo :tomreyn I found out that for optimal support and performance, you need kernel 4.16 & Mesa 18.0. What's the cycly in ubuntu to get those? [12:56] knstn: it'll be in 18.04.2 most likely. [12:56] knstn: that's when HWE is normally deployed with LTS for the first time. [12:57] This comes in April? [12:58] knstn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule [12:59] knstn: i already told you, see above [12:59]