[03:27] <funyun> hi. can anyone help me set up lacp? when i try changing my working /etc/network/interfaces (https://pastebin.com/RGtQqnL8) to https://pastebin.com/sWQjuvxG i am no longer able to connect to the internet. can anyone help?
[03:58] <ellyacht> I have a laptop with two drives installed a 256GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have ubuntu installed on the 256 and win10 on the 1TB. I logged into windows once and now I can't even see the 256 as a option to boot in UEFI any more...
[03:59] <matsaman> ellyacht: you got a good link in #linux already
[04:12] <duncanm_> Hi. I am trying to setup kvm over Kubuntu 18.10. I did the bridged networking setup according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking . However the host says it is not connected to the Internet. Can anybody help?
[04:14] <funyun> hi. can anyone help me set up lacp? when i try changing my working /etc/network/interfaces (https://pastebin.com/RGtQqnL8) to https://pastebin.com/sWQjuvxG i am no longer able to connect to the internet. can anyone help?
[04:20] <TerrorbirdJones> does anyone here have experience getting a program or exe to run in wine? i am getting an error message.
[04:28] <Lovepump> @TerrorbirdJones some, but I am using steam/Proton. What are you trying to launch?
[04:45] <Rory_Scrum> Hi
[04:47] <Rory_Scrum> 'failed to download repository information' ubuntu 18.04  no solutions i tried via google worked.  please advise
[04:48] <Rory_Scrum> can anyone see my texts ?  this freenode is hard to figure out too
[04:48] <teward> Rory_Scrum: need the actual error message, not just the "failed to download repository information" bits
[04:48] <teward> Rory_Scrum: pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get update`
[04:49] <teward> !pastebin
[04:49] <Rory_Scrum> i tried that, but still get errors
[04:49] <teward> i need to **see** the errors
[04:49] <teward> "failed to download repository information" is not a useful error - there's usually OTHER error messages that are visible
[04:50] <teward> that relate to it
[04:51] <Rory_Scrum> https://pastebin.com/9Zy4j68a
[04:51] <Rory_Scrum> did the pastebin work ?
[04:51] <teward> Rory_Scrum: yes it did
[04:51] <teward> use `sudo apt update` and it should prompt you to continue/accept
[04:51] <teward> you want to say "yes"
[04:52] <teward> (Google changed the origin value on the repository so apt-secure is complaining)
[04:53] <Rory_Scrum> '5 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them'
[04:53] <teward> Rory_Scrum: so now run `sudo apt upgrade`
[04:53] <teward> it SHOULD be able to complete the update/upgrade
[04:53] <teward> and you shouldn't get any failed to download repository information errors
[04:54] <Rory_Scrum> i uninstalled something from software earlier, i was trying to follow a online fix.   wine something i unchecked.  do i need to put it back ?
[04:55] <Rory_Scrum> nope.. i still get the same error message
[04:55] <Rory_Scrum> why cant unbuntu sort this out
[04:56] <Rory_Scrum> 'failed to download repository information'
[04:56] <teward> there's got to be more to that error
[04:56] <teward> pastebin EVERYTHING you see when you run the command
[04:56] <Rory_Scrum> i did
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> Rory_Scrum: the user himself is responsible of his oww system
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> *own
[04:56] <Rory_Scrum> we are expected to learn this level of debugging just to update?
[04:57] <Rory_Scrum> https://pastebin.com/udwxR6sk
[04:58] <teward> 'failed to download repository information' - where're you seeing this exact error?
[04:58] <teward> because if it had failed it'd show in the apt-get update
[04:58] <Rory_Scrum> software updater
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> Rory_Scrum: you need to debug things because you added external ppa's, wich we dont reccomend/support
[05:00] <Rory_Scrum> i just followed online guides of 'what to do after installing ubuntu'
[05:00] <Rory_Scrum> either way, how ot fix it? or just use windows ?  lol
[05:02] <ruby32> I'm on Ubuntu 16.10, i try to do apt-get update and it fails because some yakkety files are missing. What do I do? I can't install anything now.
[05:02] <ruby32> s/missing/404d
[05:02] <Rory_Scrum> you should kow wat t odo yourself ruby lol.  seems the response here
[05:03] <ruby32> How should I know what to do?
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> ruby32: 16.10 is end of life now
[05:03] <Bashing-om> !yakkety | ruby32 : remove those gets:
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> Rory_Scrum: please dont do that to users
[05:03] <Rory_Scrum> cos everyone is supposed to be a linux master or they get basicallt told they are 'dumb'
[05:04] <ruby32> Sarcasm doesn't translate well over text... thanks for the help everyone
[05:04] <ruby32> I guess I need to upgrade my server after so many years
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> Rory_Scrum: we also dont reccomend following 'things to do after ubuntu install' randomly grabbed on the web
[05:04] <Rory_Scrum> thewy were pretty popular, maybe even official.
[05:04] <Bashing-om> Rory_Scrum: Not at all .. We were all new at one time .. However, there is a learning curve to all systems .
[05:04] <Rory_Scrum> anyway.. how can it screw up my system so bad
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | Rory_Scrum is why
[05:05] <Rory_Scrum> i dont want to lear nat this level - dont have to with windows.  im only trying to instal lupodates, not create a program
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> Rory_Scrum: its reccomended to install software from the ubuntu repos as much as possible
[05:06] <Rory_Scrum> ok, so no fix ?
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> Rory_Scrum: try to answer what teward asked, he was helping you
[05:07] <Rory_Scrum> i did
[05:07] <Rory_Scrum> im using 'software updater'  and i gave the full terminal text in pastebin
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> Rory_Scrum: we did not see the errors you told us about
[05:09] <Rory_Scrum> i get the errors when i run 'sowftare updator'
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> Rory_Scrum: can you try to pastebin us: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please?
[05:10] <Rory_Scrum> oh.. now it says 'your softwarer on this computer is up to date'  so i guess it works now.. at least it thinks it works
[05:11] <ruby32> I fixed my problem by running sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[05:11] <ruby32> Then doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:11] <ruby32> I don't know why that worked tbh
[05:12] <ruby32> Seems like randomly deleting entire directories would be a bad idea, and that in 2019 there would be a better way to do this
[05:12] <ruby32> Idk..
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | ruby32
[05:12] <ruby32> Nevermind, it didn't even work
[05:12] <ruby32> Thank you lotuspsychje
[05:12] <nick1234> I am unable to login to my laptop (Ubuntu 18.04) since morning. I login it takes password then shows a black screen for a second nad then return back to login screen
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> ruby32: as an eol non-lts server, would you still trust your server security-wise?
[05:13] <ruby32> There's nothing on it that needs to be trusted
[05:13] <Bashing-om> ruby32: Well, depending on what was in that sources.list.d/ directory. If only 16.10 sources .. all to the good - else time will tell :)
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> ruby32: not on production?
[05:14] <ruby32> I guess my last comment was technically incorrect. If someone could DDOS the server using a vulnerability from ubuntu16 it would be bad
[05:14] <ruby32> It is in production, this is definitely a bad look for me
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> ruby32: non-lts and not-updated is very bad way of running an ubuntu server
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> ruby32: if i was you, i would install and LTS fresh
[05:17] <ruby32> Yeah, this is a huge mistake
[05:17] <ruby32> You don't think upgrading is an option?
[05:17] <ruby32> I got up to the Update sources.list part in the guide you sent but I'm not sure what to do here
[05:18] <ruby32> Editing this file: /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[05:18] <ruby32> I've never really messed with aptitude before
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> ruby32: you 'can' update if you want
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> ruby32: but i would not trust my server anymore after all this time not receiving security updates anymore
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> ruby32: will you take the risk updating a compromised server?
[05:20] <ruby32> You're right
[05:21] <ruby32> I think if there was some malware on that server, even if there's no information on it that could be compromised, if users are connecting to it and someone can compromise their device it's my fault
[05:21] <ruby32> I wasn't really thinking about that....
[05:21] <ruby32> It is serving a webpage after all
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah ruby32 we smart and choose the lts way :p
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> be
[06:26] <nick1234> I am unable to login to my laptop (Ubuntu 18.04). It takes password then shows a black screen for a second & then return back to login screen. I tried removing .Xauthority, I tried reconfiguring lightdm. purginng lightdm and reinstalling it, i tried using gdm instea of lightdm. But to no avail
[06:27] <nick1234> can any one help me
[06:39] <Bashing-om> nick1234: At the login screen ' ctl+alt+f2 ' Can you log into the sytem here ?
[07:17] <kalikatz> does ssh in ubuntu 18.04 still suffer the problem with #ChrootDirectory %h where using it requires you to set the home directory to root:root, and not using #ChrootDirectory %h allows the user to cd .. ?
[07:23] <tomreyn> kalikatz: is this a bug which was reported?
[07:26] <nick1234> Bashing-om, sorry for latereply yes i can login there
[07:29] <Bashing-om> nick1234: Great - now what shows for a driver in the configuration line from ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[07:33] <nick1234> Bashing-om, here: http://termbin.com/wt2p
[07:33] <nick1234> driver=i915 latency=0
[07:36] <Bashing-om>  nick1234: Well - so much for that thought ... Intel, and a driver is loaded .. is the GPU manager happy ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' ?
[07:37] <nick1234> gpu-manager.log here: http://termbin.com/dkqh
[07:41] <Bashing-om> nick1234: Hummmm " Number of connected outputs for /dev/dri/card0: 1
[07:41] <Bashing-om> Does it require offloading? yes
[07:43] <Bashing-om> nick1234: we get any hints from Xs log ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log ' ? ( placement of the log depends on the release )
[07:46] <nick1234> Xorg.0.log =>> Xorg.ohttp://termbin.com/k9ej
[07:46] <nick1234> theres Xosr.1.log and Xorg.failsafe.log also in the directory
[07:47] <kalikatz> tomreyn: yes, but alot of random bits of none fully functioning ideas. Doesn't appear to be fixed. i dont know for sure. https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2009-May/027651.html
[07:49] <kalikatz> i wanted to use the sftp as its already implemented and ports established.  just having issues with one way, users unable to create folders to other ways that allow them to leave the home folder
[07:50] <kalikatz> didnt want to but i guess i need vsftp
[07:50] <tomreyn> kalikatz: can you point to the bug report?
[07:51] <tomreyn> my understanding so far is that the requirement for root:root on the chroot directory is not actually a bug but a requirement based on the design of the openssh patch which adds the ChrootDirectory functionality.
[07:51] <kalikatz> no, wasnt looking for bugs, was looking for solutions.  pointing to a but would force me to fall back into the pit, ive spent 3 hrs on this already. was just looking to see if anyone found using ssh's sftp just as frustrating as i did
[07:52] <kalikatz> yes i got that requirment as well. but then had issues making a simple dropbox usable by said ftpuser
[07:53] <tomreyn> kalikatz: do you want to set up a user with a shell, or one which only has sftp access?
[07:53] <kalikatz> the web has been helpful in pointing me to 2 undesirable sulloutions.  i need a 3rd, lol
[07:54] <kalikatz> have alread ssh shells, work fine.  just has a friend outside my net want to ftp.  didnt want to complicate him, so enabling ftp should hae been a 3 mn job
[07:55] <tomreyn> ftp or sftp?
[07:55] <tomreyn> you're mixing things up.
[07:55] <tomreyn> please don't claim that bugs exist when you are not ready to point to a bug report.
[07:56] <tomreyn> setting up an sftponly user is very easy in current ubuntu versions
[07:56] <Bashing-om> nick1234: Above my skills to know if this is relevant, "ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1" but X is setting " (++) using VT number 8" .
[07:56] <kalikatz> i have ssh  so made sence to use the 'sftp'.  that has problems that i was unable to figure out in the past 3 hrs.   so option 3 is to install vsftpd to just use 'ftp'
[07:56] <kalikatz> didnt say a bug existed, did I?
[07:57] <kalikatz> the best case I had was once sftp logged in, I was able to cd .. and see parent folders
[07:58] <nick1234> you mean i run ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1 and tell you the result
[07:58] <nick1234> ?
[07:59] <tomreyn> kalikatz: you said that "ssh in ubuntu suffered a problem", which, to me, sounds like you're stating it is buggy.
[07:59] <tomreyn> kalikatz: have you read the "ForceCommand" section in sshd_config ?
[08:00] <Bashing-om> nick1234: No, I just advising that I do not know where that change takes place - or why.
[08:00] <tomreyn> *sshd_config(5)
[08:00] <nick1234> oh
[08:00] <nick1234> so what could resolve my problem
[08:05] <kalikatz> tomreyn: yes i used the forceCommand and chroot.  basically followed https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-setup-sftp-server-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-with-vsftpd.  but then found I couldnt create folders. I need the chrootdirectory to point to /home/ftpuser, except the ssh-server doesnt like that and responds with broken pipes
[08:07] <tomreyn> kalikatz: why donjt you just use internal-sftp?
[08:08] <Bashing-om> nick1234: I honestly have no idea ... have you tried to activate a guest session ,, see if the issue then is in your user account configs ?
[08:12] <kalikatz> tomreyn: yes tried internal-sftp as well and the one defaulted in sshd_config. remarking them back and forth to conclude either makes no diffrence.   On a side note, i just installed vsftpd and ftp into an account and also noticed i was able to cd .. and see the home folders.   this does not work either
[08:14] <kalikatz> maybe vsftpd configs?  lol  you wuld think thats a default
[08:18] <Bashing-om> nick1234: Not that I want to leave you high and dry .. but I got to go to bed .
[08:18] <nick1234> it does not have guest access
[08:19] <nick1234> its ok Bashing-om . I appreciate your help
[08:19] <nick1234> anyone else want to help me ??
[08:21] <Bashing-om> nick1234: Might just verify that "you" have access ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' .
[08:23] <tomreyn> kalikatz: i'Ve been using this in the past and it worked fine for me https://debian-administration.org/article/590/OpenSSH_SFTP_chroot_with_ChrootDirectory
[08:25] <nick1234> HEre : http://termbin.com/e8n8
[08:25] <kalikatz> ok, still having issues with vsftpd, ill give it another go, with your link, thanks so much, but i have to take a 10 min break.  i think its rumsies time :)  back in 15
[08:39] <tomreyn> nick1234: is this system fully patched?
[08:40] <nick1234> by fully patched you mean all updates installed, then yes all the recent ones
[08:42] <tomreyn> nick1234: yes, that's what i mean specifically, you should have all the default APT sources enabled, "sudo apt-get update" should report that update succeeded without warnings or errors, and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" should exit without installing anything.
[08:43] <nick1234> just a min
[08:51] <Rhaegar1982> .ping
[08:51] <tomreyn> Rhaegar1982: do you need any ubuntu support?
[08:54] <tomreyn> Rhaegar1982: looks like your irc client is buggy, writing ".ping" into every channel you join after connecting.
[08:54] <Rhaegar1982> no tomreyn
[08:54] <Rhaegar1982> just testing someth
[08:54] <Rhaegar1982> there is a bug that response to .ping
[08:54] <nick1234> tomreyn, there are some updates i have started update it will take some time.
[08:55] <nick1234> i will let you know as soon as it finishes
[09:05] <tomreyn> nick1234: i may not be around then, so please just re-state your question / summarize the issue again. be sure to post the latest (timestamp) X log, this can be in /var/log/ or (more likely) in ~/.local/share/xorg/ . please also discuss your hardware, and / or post dmesg and journalctl -b
[09:08] <nick1234> tomreyn, ok. Thanks
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> nick1234: was this an lts upgrade or clean install?
[09:30] <kalikatz> tomreyn: if your still about. i did finally get something working. i removed vsftpd and went back to configur sshd_config with your link . only think i was able to do was setup a dropbox folder instide the users that they will have to go into. not sure how to get it to log right into it everytime. bt i guess it ok this way. at least they cant backout of the chrootdirectory
[09:39] <pragomer> in ubuntu 18.04 gnome all windows and programs open on the wrong monitor: the right one should be primary, the left one secondary. it is defined like that, but windows open on the left one.
[09:39] <pragomer> how can I fix this?
[09:40] <neurre> hi
[09:40] <neurre> I'm looking for video trimming software
[09:40] <neurre> one which can trim videos without re-encoding
[09:42] <kalikatz> pragomer: I dont have the second monitor currently, but I do recall a "default" option
[09:43] <kalikatz> pragomer: in the system settings -> displays is there a "primary display" or "set as default"?
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> neurre: pitivi, or even vlc can record parts of movies withe the record button
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> neurre: openshot or flowblade also video editing
[09:45] <neurre> all i need is trimming
[09:45] <neurre> trying pitivi first
[09:46] <neurre> that did not go well
[09:46] <neurre> i got kicked out of my X11 session when I launched pitivi :D
[09:48] <neurre> okay so pitivi is not good
[09:48] <pragomer> yes, the right monitor is set as "primary", like it should be
[09:48] <neurre> i think it may try to use my gpu but driver is not good :/
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> neurre: just installed & tested here, works like a charm
[09:49] <neurre> yeah will I have nvidia
[09:49] <neurre> i suspect it has something to do with that
[09:49] <neurre> also my login screen is super sluggish
[09:49] <neurre> when I login to my desktop everything is fine
[09:49] <neurre> not sure what that is all about
[09:50] <neurre> like https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2400065
[09:50] <pragomer> mm, it now works normally.. could have been a temporary issue
[09:50] <pragomer> thanks in anyway
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> neurre: check with sudo lshw -C video
[09:51] <neurre> product: GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 6GB]
[09:51] <neurre> that is correct
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> neurre: driver= at bottom?
[09:51] <neurre> no
[09:51] <neurre> configuration: driver=nouveau latency=0
[09:51] <neurre> oh
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> neurre: yeah switch to the nvidia driver, on gtx we reccomend the ubuntu graphics ppa
[09:52] <neurre> doh :D
[09:52] <neurre> i thought i had nvidia driver installed
[09:52] <neurre> apparently now
[09:52] <neurre> not
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> neurre: or ubuntu-drivers list
[09:52] <neurre> oh right i installed nvidia drivers on the laptop, not on this machine..
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> neurre: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[09:58] <freakynl> Anyone well versed in kernels / bootloaders here? Trying to solve an issue with an Apple iMac 18,1 not showing any display. If I use a stick with Ubuntu 18.10 ISO dd'ed onto it there's screen. If I take another stick, copy the grub bootloader (and shim), kernel and the initrd to another stick, grub will start loading the kernel, but there's no display any more. No clue what's going wrong there
[09:58] <freakynl> unfortunately :/. After loading the kernel and initrd into RAM and grub kicking off the kernel (at least I hope it does) there's no more output whatsoever
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> freakynl: i tested 18.04.1 recently on different macs with success
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> freakynl: hitting the boot key combo, to see your ubuntu usb media, then try or install ubuntu fromt he live
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> freakynl: i did not test 18.10 yet sorry
[10:04] <pagios>  hi all, i did a modprobe v4l2loopback and i got /dev/video0 how can i get /dev/video1 , 2 ,3 ,4 ?
[10:05] <nick1234> tomreyn, hi, all the updates are now installed and dist update exits without installing anything
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> nick1234: tomreyn might be afk for now, try to re-state your question to the channel please
[10:06] <nick1234> lotuspsychje, yes, sure
[10:07] <nick1234> I was unable to login to my laptop (Ubuntu 18.04). It takes password then shows a black screen for a second & then return back to login screen.
[10:07] <nick1234> it was running fine untill yesterday, I shutdown it last night, (I usually dont, i close the lid and it goes to hibernate) today i restarted and it is on login-loop
[10:08] <nick1234> so far i have tried changing lightdm to gdm and gdm to lightdm but problem still exists
[10:11] <nick1234> Xorg.0.log is here : http://termbin.com/6oyu
[10:12] <nick1234> dmesg is here : http://termbin.com/cse8
[10:13] <nick1234> journalctl -b is here : http://termbin.com/7wk8
[10:16] <Triffid_Hunter> nick1234: ~/.xsession-errors would be more useful I think
[10:17] <nick1234> sure. just a min
[10:19] <nick1234> Triffid_Hunter, .xsession-errors is here : http://termbin.com/i3zy
[10:20] <Triffid_Hunter> nick1234: cat not found? wow, something's very weird with your system
[10:21] <Ool> nick1234: do you need a graphical driver ? is it working ? Can you log in into a tty with access to your /home ?
[10:21] <Triffid_Hunter> nick1234: I guess that script needs to include /etc/profile or something
[10:22] <nick1234> every time i restart it i have to manually export path /usr/bin etc
[10:22] <nick1234> yes i can login to tty and have access to my home
[10:23] <Triffid_Hunter> nick1234: well whatever's broken your system environment seems to also be causing your X session to barf
[10:24] <nick1234> ok, now how do i fix it. Yesterday i installed one software(appimage) could it be the reason?
[10:25] <Triffid_Hunter> nick1234: doubt it, but something has hosed your /etc/profile or wherever ubuntu puts system env
[10:26] <nick1234> cant i rewrite it?
[10:26] <Triffid_Hunter> sure, go for it
[10:26] <nick1234> how?? (not an expert)
[10:27] <Triffid_Hunter> nick1234: I'm no ubuntu expert, I guess you'd have to ask dpkg what package provides /etc/profile then ask it to reconfigure
[10:28] <nick1234> there is "etc/profile.d" not "etc/profile" BTW
[10:31] <ducasse> nick1234: have you got /etc/environment?
[10:35] <nick1234> Triffid_Hunter, yes, you pointed me in the right direction. problem solved
[10:35] <nick1234> here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/381340/how-to-reset-profile-to-default
[10:35] <Triffid_Hunter> nick1234: great! :)
[10:36] <nick1234> i recently installed flutter and android studio to machine and had to set some environment variables for it. I think somehow that messed it up. I had not restarted machine so it was working i shout it down last night and it stopped working
[10:37] <nick1234> anyways. Thanks a lot to you guys. Awesome community.
[10:41] <tomreyn> kalikatz: set the users' home director to /dropboxpath (/ there is the chroot directoy)
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:59] <azi`> I have a .ssh file that links me to a remote server so that I don't have to use ssh logins. using this method I forgot the password on the rmeote server
[12:00] <azi`> is there a way to move the .ssh file to a third server so that I can access this remote server?
[12:00] <freakynl> azi`: I have no clue what a .ssh file is. Normally this works with a keypair and you need the private part. It's usually ~/.ssh/idrsa or newer ~/.ssh/ecdsa
[12:01] <freakynl> (or older ~/.ssh/dsa)
[12:01] <azi`> freakynl: I meant .ssh folder. I think I am on it yes
[12:02] <freakynl> azi`: sorry, file names are id_rsa, id_ecdsa, id_dsa and should be located under ~/.ssh/
[12:02] <freakynl> You normally only need 1 if multiple exist, but you need the one from which the public part was put on the remote system
[12:04] <freakynl> Alternatively, just log on from the machine that has the keys and run 'passwd' to set the password to something new (so you know it).
[12:09] <freakynl> azi`: Did you manage to get it working?
[12:10] <azi`> freakynl: jup working =)
[12:10] <freakynl> You might wanna run passwd as well if you don't know the password, but SSH can be configured to not allow password authentication. Several distro's do this by default for the root account.
[12:12] <azi`> freakynl: i can't change the password though as I don't have it
[12:17] <freakynl> Oh duh, my bad, I normally run passwd as root haha (don't need the current one then)
[12:18] <BluesKaj> there's nothing bad, it's just a mistake
[13:13] <jk^> hi how can i open a cd on ubuntu?
[13:13] <jk^> lubuntu for the precision
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> jk^: terminal => eject
[13:14] <jk^> not eject
[13:14] <jk^> open its content
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> jk^: with the file browser on lubuntu
[13:14] <jk^> i don't understand how to do... it has some folders and an autorun.exe
[13:14] <jk^> an index.html
[13:14] <jk^> autorun.inf
[13:15] <jk^> dicomdir.inf
[13:15] <jk^> and an image
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> jk^: autorun is the automatic launch from windows, you could try that from wine
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> jk^: or open the html file with a browser
[13:16] <jk^> if i tru to open image it says: "couldn't recognize di image file format"
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> jk^: what kind of cdrom is it exactly? a game? a driver cd?
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> jk^: you could try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/autorun
[13:22] <jk^^> Hospital give it to me, it contains diagnostic results
[13:22] <jk^^> lotuspsychje,
[13:23] <ioria> yes, it's a radiology thing
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: you can browse the html file with a webbrowser
[13:23] <ioria> jk^^, try with dicomscope or better install the gimp snap
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: do you see dicom files on that cd?
[13:26] <jk^^> in fact there is two file which is named "dicomedir" (image, but i can't open it, error file format) and dicomdir.inf
[13:27] <jk^^> what's dicomscope?
[13:27] <ioria> !info dicomscope
[13:27] <jk^^> gimp is already installed, gimp snap is a different one?
[13:27] <ioria> jk^^, yep
[13:28] <ioria> jk^^, more features, i mean
[13:28] <ioria> jk^^, first try with dicomscope or imagej
[13:37] <jk^^> it was installing wine, but it told me that's impossible to donwload some packages
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: what was installing wine, and wich packages failed?
[13:39] <jk^^> in the index.html there'is person data and a link "Dicom viewer" i click it but "page is not found"
[13:40] <jk^^> it redirects to ..../viewerwin/eFILMlt.exe
[13:40] <jk^^> and it can't find it
[13:40] <jk^^> i guess the guy who create this cd is very idiot
[13:40] <jk^^> a link to an inexistent file?
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: try this online: http://dicomviewer.booogle.net/
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: one way or another, you can make this work on ubuntu, did this myself in the past
[13:44] <Captain_Haddock> jk^^: Check the folders in the CD to see what type the data files are.
[13:45] <Captain_Haddock> And did the hospital specify that your x-rays or other reports are on the CD or if it only contains a viewer.
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> if i can recall, i just opened the xrays with the ubuntu image viewer
[13:46] <Captain_Haddock> Indeed. I doubt that they are in some proprietary format.
[13:47] <Captain_Haddock> They're probably PDFs or TIFFs.
[13:48] <jk^^> Captain_Haddock, various folders and files
[13:48] <jk^^> .exe
[13:48] <jk^^> .dll
[13:48] <jk^^> .inf
[13:48] <jk^^> .dic
[13:52] <Captain_Haddock> jk^^: if you are familiar with the command line, go to the CD's root directory and run "find ." and copy-paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com.
[13:52] <Captain_Haddock> This will list all the files on the CD.
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> good idea Captain_Haddock
[13:55] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me make the Compose Key work?
[14:00] <leftyfb> not within 30 seconds, no
[14:00] <leftyfb> sorry, 1.5 minutes
[14:02] <CoolerZ> help please, i am trying to install docker ce on ubuntu 18.04 lts
[14:02] <CoolerZ> but i am getting this error https://paste.debian.net/plain/1057771
[14:03] <jk^^> Captain_Haddock, ok i'll try
[14:04] <tomreyn> CoolerZ: ppa:daniel.pavel/solaar does not (no longer?) exist - this is what "404  Not Found" suggests
[14:04] <tomreyn> http://ppa.launchpad.net/daniel.pavel/solaar/ubuntu/dists/ doe snot list "bionic"
[14:20] <CoolerZ> tomreyn, so do i remove it?
[14:21] <CoolerZ> i installed a app called solaar that is supposed to manage logitech mouses and keyboard peripherals
[14:21] <CoolerZ> thats the repo that is giving the error message
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: solaar is on the official ubuntu repos
[14:24] <tomreyn> CoolerZ: the ppa serves no purpose, causes an error, breaks apt. most lilely removing it is a good idea.
[14:25] <tomreyn> if you installed the package, you did so from ubuntu proper, not from the ppa.
[14:31] <CoolerZ> tomreyn, so what does that mean?
[14:31] <CoolerZ> how to remove
[14:31] <CoolerZ> do i have to uninstall the app and reinstall?
[14:31] <tomreyn> CoolerZ: apt-add-repository --remove ppa:daniel.pavel/solaar
[14:31] <tomreyn> +sudo
[14:32] <tomreyn> to find out where solaar is available from: apt-cache policy solaar
[14:38] <PsychoBoB> Guys
[14:38] <PsychoBoB> My notebook dell using ubuntu 18
[14:38] <PsychoBoB> but I have no sound
[14:39] <PsychoBoB> why ?
[14:41] <jk^^> jk^^: if you are familiar with the command line, go to the CD's root directory and run "find ." and copy-paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com.
[14:41] <jk^^> not so familiar
[14:41] <jk^^> how to go to cd's root?
[14:41] <jk^^> what have i to type?
[14:41] <j0seph> type "cd /"
[14:41] <j0seph> That should take you to root
[14:41] <PsychoBoB> jk^^, is it to me?
[14:42] <j0seph> But, as for the CD's root directory..
[14:43] <j0seph> Well, what directory are you trying to look through, first?
[14:43] <j0seph> jk^^: ^
[14:44] <PsychoBoB> someone?
[14:44] <PsychoBoB> can helpme?
[14:45] <cryptodan> PsychoBoB: did you have sound via live session prior to installation
[14:46] <jk^^> Captain_Haddock,
[14:46] <jk^^> j0seph, cd's root
[14:47] <cryptodan> you would do cd /root
[14:52] <PsychoBoB> cryptodan,
[14:52] <PsychoBoB> i'm back
[14:52] <PsychoBoB> sorry i dont speak english native
[14:52] <PsychoBoB> can i restart sound ?
[14:53] <cryptodan> PsychoBoB: reboot with your installation media and try sound there
[14:54] <PsychoBoB> cryptodan, I dont have the installer
[14:55] <cryptodan> recreate it via redownloading PsychoBoB
[14:59] <jk^^> ok
[14:59] <PsychoBoB> cryptodan, have other way?
[14:59] <PsychoBoB> install other driers?
[14:59] <PsychoBoB> drivers
[14:59] <jk^^> jk^^: if you are familiar with the command line, go to the CD's root directory and run "find ." and copy-paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com.
[14:59] <PsychoBoB> check what is my driver of sound?
[14:59] <jk^^> before typing "find ."
[14:59] <jk^^> how to go in the cd root?
[14:59] <jk^^> what have i to type?
[15:00] <cryptodan> PsychoBoB: you need to try via live session first as your sound may not even have support
[15:00] <coz_> jk^^,  cd /    I believe
[15:01] <cryptodan> jk^^: cd /root
[15:01] <Captain_Haddock> He's inserted a CDROM and wants to list its contents using find.
[15:01] <Captain_Haddock> jk^^: It's usually within the /media directory IIRC.
[15:03] <BluesKaj> does nautilus have a removeable devices list?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> like dolphin
[15:03] <coconut> jk^^: there has been some confusion threw time about folder... please forget the "cd /" advise above.
[15:04] <TJ-> jk^^: "lsblk" will show you what devices are present and where their file-systems are mounted, if at all. "sr0" is usually the first 'SCSI Read-Only' device
[15:05] <coz_> jk^^,  i would do a sudo -i first then the cd /   I think that might prove easier I guess
[15:06] <TJ-> coz_: that makes no sense at all, for listing a mounted CD-ROM !
[15:06] <coconut> coz_: jk^^ got advise to ls the cdrom content because he needed to view some (in windows contented) files from hospital.
[15:06] <coz_> TJ-, I must have come in after thaat was mentioned, thinking it was a file
[15:07] <coz_> coconut, understood now thanks for the correction ")
[15:07] <coconut> which was just to see how to open some files
[15:07] <coconut> :)
[15:07] <jk^> https://pastebin.com/raw/KdtmBVCA
[15:07] <TJ-> jk^^: if the CD-ROM media was auto-mounted it'd be done by udisks, which usually mounts devices under the current user's control starting at /media/$USER/$MEDIA-NAME/
[15:07] <jk^> i joined from the other pc
[15:08] <TJ-> jk^: I see you find the 'root' of the CD's ISO9660 file-system mount
[15:10] <Captain_Haddock> jk^: Looks like the images are within the images/esame0 directory.
[15:10] <Captain_Haddock> jk^: There's also a bunch of HTML files there that probably embed them.
[15:11] <jk^^> i guess
[15:11] <jk^^> autorun.exe is the main file to open
[15:11] <jk^^> do i wrong?
[15:11] <Captain_Haddock> jk^^: Go to your file browser and navigate to this directory and try opening either the HTML files or the .jpg files that you can see.
[15:12] <Captain_Haddock> jk^^: The JPG files are ones like this: ./images/esame0/1.2.840.113564.19216821221.2018121017083846881/jpg/img1.jpg
[15:13] <legreffier> vieux ? https://twitter.com/Nag_FR/status/1076512103815614464
[15:14] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Am I right in assuming that ddrescue will also copy empty blocks? Do these occupy space in the output file?
[15:14] <legreffier> oops, wrong window.
[15:15] <coz_> legreffier,  I was wondering why that was here %)
[15:15] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: yes, and it depends (on whether you use the --sparse option, and the target file-system supports sparse files)
[15:15] <jk^^> i already tried Captain_Haddock
[15:17] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: So if I run ddrescue on a 500GB drive, the output file will always be 500GB (without the sparse option)?
[15:17] <jk^^> some images i can open
[15:17] <jk^^> but i need to open the entire cd content
[15:17] <jk^^> maybe it's structured in a program
[15:17] <jk^^> in a software
[15:17] <jk^^> i see an autorun.exe
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: autorun is for windows, i already told you before
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: you can try with wine, or the autorun method on ubuntu as i linked before
[15:19] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: correct
[15:19] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Cheers.
[15:19] <Captain_Haddock> jk^^: Are the images not the ones you want?
[15:22] <jk^^> i open them randomly
[15:22] <jk^^> i guess it contains many other info
[15:23] <jk^^> Captain_Haddock,
[15:25] <Captain_Haddock> jk^^: You can try opening the HTML files within the images directory. But it's up to you to make sense of this information.
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: probably your cdrom contains also the self viewing software for all the images + the 3D turning for windows enviroment
[15:25] <PsychoBoB> guys
[15:25] <PsychoBoB> someone help me with sound of ubuntu
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> PsychoBoB: cryptodan was helping you
[15:26] <PsychoBoB> I dont have installar
[15:26] <PsychoBoB> my net is slow
[15:26] <PsychoBoB> 3G
[15:27] <PsychoBoB> I want to reset sound
[15:27] <jk^^> Captain_Haddock, index.html open a simple page with person's data
[15:27] <tomreyn> !sound | PsychoBoB
[15:27] <jk^^> but not any other info about the diagnostic exam
[15:27] <jk^^> just a link "Dicom viewer" but i don't know what it is
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: the diagnose is only for your doctor, will mostly not include on the cdrom
[15:28] <tomreyn> PsychoBoB: if your internet access is too slow / limited now, then download and prepare the live system some other time when you have better internet access.
[15:28] <Captain_Haddock> jk^^: There are other html files within the images/esame0 directory that you can try.
[15:29] <jk^^> i tried several of them, but it opens pages empty
[15:30] <Captain_Haddock> jk^^: Then your best bet is to find someone with a Windows system. But I doubt that there's anything more to the CD than these jpgs.
[15:30] <tomreyn> PsychoBoB: in many places you can also find local ubuntu groups who will be happy to sell you an installer cd / usb stick. or you can buy it online.
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: another idea could be let shotwell scan your new cdrom pictures
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> PsychoBoB: or a nearby wifi to download the iso
[15:32] <jk^^> ok tnx all
[15:32] <jk^^> how to let shotwell scan=
[15:32] <jk^^> ?
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: drag n drop your cdrom contents to your computer, then open shotwell
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: or import from your cdroms folder
[15:41] <jk^^> ok i opened shotwell
[15:41] <jk^^> but how to let it scan the contents?
[15:41] <jk^^> lo
[15:41] <jk^^> lotuspsychje,
[15:42] <cryptodan> you navigate to the folders via file and open
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> jk^^: import==> choose your cd rom dir
[15:43] <tomreyn> first option on the first main menu
[15:44] <jk^> ok
[15:50] <americanwookie> [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> americanwookie: can we help you?
[15:50] <americanwookie> Uh
[15:51] <americanwookie> Sorry about that, I didn't realize it was going to the channel.
[15:51] <americanwookie> But! If you're asking! Do you know anything about copymods? I asked yesterday, and wasn't able to find anyone who could help me understand why I needed it, and if I was using it wrong.
[15:53] <TJ-> americanwookie: -copymods is only needed when booting on a VM hypervisor that provides the kernel/initrd external to the gust
[16:05] <uniquewire> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GHhJrxdPNW/
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> uniquewire: do you have unrar installed?
[16:10] <uniquewire> lotuspsychje: I have it installed, but the file I'm trying to extract is .zip, I can extract by opening the archive manager but not when clicking on the "Extract Here" on the menu.
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> uniquewire: p7zip then maybe?
[16:12] <cryptodan> or apt install unzip
[16:13] <AllanLinux> Hey guys. I'm running a script to get files from a server to Linux, but I always get: scp: ambiguous target. The file path has no spaces, very strange.
[16:14] <AllanLinux> sshpass -p "$PASSW" scp -v -d -t $USER@$SERVER:"E:/Backup/PortalComunicacao/PortalComunicacao_backup_`date +%d-%m-%Y`*.bak" /opt/Allan
[16:15] <Ool> E: ?
[16:16] <uniquewire> lotuspsychje: It's also installed, I can extract the file just fine but only by opening the archive manager, I can't right-click on the archive and use "Extract Here"
[16:16] <AllanLinux> Yep, It is a Windows server. I'm on Linux pulling Windows backups with SCP.
[16:30] <Annoyed> Greetings
[16:30] <Annoyed> I've just installed 18.04.1 server, and I can't seem to get netplan to configure my inside interface
[16:31] <Ool> Annoyed: https://netplan.io/
[16:32] <Annoyed> The outside interface works fine with the ISP, connection is fine, but I need to configure a 2nd card for the inside network (this is a server, head end for my inside network)
[16:33] <Ool> look the examples
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> Annoyed: This might be a better question asked in the @ubuntu-server channel
[16:33] <Ool> you can configure each nic
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> oops: #ubuntu-server
[16:34] <Annoyed> Oh, should I be in #ubuntu-server? I gather desktop uses one system and server another
[16:34] <Annoyed> Thanks, I'll try that.
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> Annoyed: They are the same core systems, #ubuntu-server is more centered to server configurations
[16:36] <Annoyed> I thought desktop used something called Networkmanager, which is a GUI
[16:38] <TJ-> Annoyed: you'd need to show us the netplan YAML and the list of interfaces you want to configure
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> Annoyed: They each have different ways of configuring the network, but the underlaying network is still the same between the two
[16:38] <TJ-> Annoyed: NetworkManager is a system service, not a GUI. It has a gnome GUI tool called nm-applet for talkinf to the service to configure the network
[16:39] <TJ-> Annoyed: NM also has commandline (nmcli) and TUI (nmtui) interfaces
[16:40] <Annoyed> TJ- This is my current attempt   /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml   It does not work
[16:40] <Annoyed> network:
[16:40] <Annoyed>     ethernets:
[16:40] <Annoyed>         enp3s0:
[16:40] <Annoyed>             addresses: []
[16:40] <Annoyed>             dhcp4: true
[16:40] <pavlos> Annoyed: please pastebin the file
[16:42] <TJ-> !paste | Annoyed
[16:42] <Annoyed> https://pastebin.com/8zz452tX
[16:43] <Annoyed> That does not work
[16:43] <Annoyed> ifconfig shows the interface, but it is not getting the address
[16:43] <Ool> dont put addresses if dhcp on
[16:43] <TJ-> Annoyed: remove the "addresses: []" line
[16:43] <TJ-> Annoyed: you might also want "dhpc6: true" as an additional line
[16:44] <Annoyed> enp5s0 - DHCP is off
[16:44] <TJ-> grr, typo, "dhcp6: true"
[16:44] <Annoyed> enp3 is the outside, dhcp is needed there, and that works
[16:45] <TJ-> Annoyed: OK, sorry, I need to look at the pastebin :D
[16:45] <TJ-> Annoyed: so you've got "optional: true"
[16:46] <TJ-> Annoyed: does that interface get an address eventually, after boot?
[16:46] <Annoyed> No, it doesn't
[16:47] <TJ-> Annoyed: check what the systemd-networkd config generated by netplan is: look in /run/systemd/network/
[16:51] <Annoyed> https://pastebin.com/H3SXcFK1
[16:52] <Annoyed> two files in there, contents in pastebin
[16:52] <maarten62> Test
[16:53] <TJ-> Annoyed: that looks correct, assuming there is an enp5s0
[16:55] <Annoyed> There is. https://pastebin.com/wKH5kVwq
[16:56] <TJ-> Annoyed: is the NIC active and up? use "ip link show dev enp5s0" and also "sudo ethtool enp5s0" to check state
[16:59] <Annoyed> Ok, I think it shows down, but there's nothing plugged into it right now.
[17:00] <Annoyed> ifconfig says its there though.. I haven't yet installed the DHCP server package, so it wouldn't be able to hand out an IP to a device connected to it.. I'm trying to configure the interface first
[17:00] <TJ-> Annoyed: you cannot configure it until there's a cable plugged in!
[17:01] <Annoyed> You could in the old system, /etc/network/interfaces
[17:01] <TJ-> Annoyed: well, technically *you* can (manually) but the system tools react to the interface being UP and online
[17:04] <TJ-> Annoyed: entries in /etc/network/interfaces is the same as /etc/netplan/*~/run/systemd/network/* - but that config won't take effect until the NIC comes UP
[17:04] <locu128> Annoyed: for something embedded i foolishly tried using networkmanager and could never get it to work write based on messing around with plan files, i suggest using nmcli
[17:05] <TJ-> locu128: what problem did you hit with that?
[17:05] <Annoyed> Ok, so if I plug something into that ethernet port just to get it to see a connection it might come up?
[17:05] <TJ-> locu128: I know that some netplan options are not supported in some renderers, most are noted in "man netplan"
[17:05] <Annoyed> or show as configured?
[17:06] <locu128> TJ-: same issue with the ip address without a cable connected, some software would connect to ip addresses like "192.168.0.1" but nm wouldn't give you that
[17:06] <TJ-> Annoyed: yes, once the link is up the config will be applied immediately
[17:06] <Annoyed> Ok, give me a few to try that
[17:06] <TJ-> locu128: pretty sane behaviour really :) an interface with an IP address usually infers some kind of connectivity
[17:07] <TJ-> locu128: I believe there are options to force a link to be set but that may only be in systemd-network
[17:11] <Annoyed> Ok, that seems to have worked.
[17:11] <Annoyed> The laptop I connected can't connect thru it, but that's cause the DHCP server software isn't installed yet. ifconfig shows it ok though
[17:13] <locu128> TJ-: this was busybox, things are strange there
[17:13] <Annoyed> Thanks, I never would have thought of that.
[17:15] <TJ-> Annoyed: For testing you should be able to assign an address manually with "sudo link set up dev enp5s0; sudo ip addr add 172.16.0.254/12 dev enp5s0"
[17:16] <Annoyed> That won't assign an  IP to the laptop; that laptop expects whatever it connects to to hand it an IP, and the dhcp server isn't installed yet.
[17:17] <TJ-> Annoyed: correct; this is for configuring this interface
[17:18] <TJ-> in case you might want some system-service to bind to this specific IP address, rather than the 0.0.0.0 'all'
[17:18] <Annoyed> I just expected that ifconfig would read what I set up in netplan regardless of anything plugged in or not
[17:19] <TJ-> ifconfig isn't involved at all, that is a legacy tool
[17:20] <TJ-> systemd-networkd does it all directly, and for userspace the iproute2 tools (ip ....) have been the standard for a long time now
[17:21] <Annoyed> One more stupid question.. there's a warning at the top of 50-cloud-init.yaml, https://pastebin.com/BnSn1ZHX   Is this going to get clobbered on a reboot?
[17:23] <TJ-> Annoyed: did you edit 50-cloud-init.yaml rather than create your own file(s) ?
[17:23] <Annoyed> edited what was there.
[17:23] <TJ-> Annoyed: I'm not sure, but cloud-init is used when managing virtual machines, containers, etc, and is used by the host outside to create the network configuration inside
[17:24] <Annoyed> rebooting it now, see what happens
[17:24] <Annoyed> Or should I create my own file anyway?
[17:24] <TJ-> Annoyed: so if you're working with a regular bare-metal install there is no external cloud-init mount, but the internal cloud-init tooling may re-write that file
[17:24] <TJ-> Annoyed: to be safe I'd create my own
[17:24] <Annoyed> Seems to have survived reboot
[17:25] <TJ-> Best to have your own, else if you ever purge cloud-init (since it isn't needed) you won't lose your network config :)
[17:26] <Annoyed> Where would I put that? /etc/netplan/
[17:26] <Annoyed> ?
[17:26] <TJ-> Yes, something like /etc/netplan/myethernets.yaml
[17:26] <TJ-> as long as the name isn't the cloud-init name
[17:26] <Annoyed> ok, so it will read whatever is in that directory ending in .yaml ?
[17:33] <rollae> hi
[17:33] <rollae> I have several files, and generated sha256sums of those using the above cmd, and then I wish to create a sig and verify it
[17:33] <rollae> sha256sum -c --ignore-missing SHA256 ; signify -Cp /etc/signify/openbsd-XX-base.pub -x SHA256.sig miniroot*.fs; what's the gpg equivalent of verifying the hash files and then the taking the hashes of all the files and comparing with the hash files in a "single" gpg step, just like with signify.
[17:34] <TJ-> rollae: there isn't - gnupg is for signing/verifying signatures only
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: doesn't GPG also have the ability to encrypt files?
[17:37] <Annoyed> Ok, TJ- & others, thanks. Seems to have nailed it.
[17:37] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: rollae is asking about the sign/verify aspect
[17:38] <rollae> ok then how do I use gpg to verify this hashes as it's already "signed" https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/qubes/iso/Qubes-R4.0-x86_64.iso.DIGESTS look you said gpg cannot sign but it did sign the hash list
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: Oh, okay, the "only" had a totality ring to it
[17:38] <rollae> I know encryption part
[17:39] <TJ-> rollae: for detached signatures you'd do something like "gpgv SHA255.sig SHA256 && sha256sum -c SHA256"
[17:42] <TJ-> rollae: if SHA256 has an embedded signature you'd need something like "sha256sum -c <(gpgv --output - SHA256) - although I'm not sure how gpgv will behave if the signature check fails
[17:42] <rollae> but above It's an attached signature look again https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/qubes/iso/Qubes-R4.0-x86_64.iso.DIGESTS
[17:43] <TJ-> rollae: so you'd need to use the --output style
[17:43] <rollae> I wish to verify that, file , and also the hashes, how ?
[17:43] <TJ-> rollae: ^^^ see my example above
[17:45] <rollae> You misunderstood it's not openbsd file, it's a qubes OS file.
[17:45] <TJ-> rollae: what?
[17:45] <rollae> I just gave an example that Openbsd does it with signify , similary how do I verify using gpg the Qubes OS file
[17:46] <TJ-> rollae: I've just shown you!!
[17:46] <rollae> but I don't get you
[17:46] <TJ-> rollae: combination of gpgv and sha256sum
[17:46] <rollae> is gpgv = gpg --verify ?
[17:46] <TJ-> rollae: see "man gpgv"
[17:46] <rollae> I saw it
[17:46] <rollae> and then asked
[17:47] <TJ-> The DESCRIPTION tells you: "This  program  is actually a stripped-down version of gpg which is only able to check signatures"
[17:48] <rollae> https://www.qubes-os.org/downloads/ I have digests I have signature and key, and iso , so how do I verify them.
[17:48] <rollae> I dowloaded everything but can't verify
[17:48] <TJ-> rollae: this looks likely to work:
[17:48] <TJ-> wget -O - https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/qubes/iso/Qubes-R4.0-x86_64.iso.DIGESTS 2>/dev/null | gpgv --output /tmp/hashes && sha256sum -c /tmp/hashes || echo "Bad or unknown signature"
[17:57] <rollae> I imported the public key. Now it says bad signature
[17:58] <rollae> I have .DIGESTS .gpgv: Can't check signature: No public key
[17:58] <rollae> Bad or unknown signature
[18:02] <rollae> why does gpg --verify succeed, but not your cmd. I don't know if
[18:02] <rollae> gpg --verify .asc succedds
[18:03] <OerHeks> openssl dgst -md5 Qubes-RX-x86_64.iso # is an other way
[18:03] <OerHeks> https://www.qubes-os.org/security/verifying-signatures/#how-to-verify-qubes-iso-digests
[18:06] <rollae> wow I searched and couldn't get that link you people are way too clever to fetch all that data, I wish I was equally savvy as you :-)
[18:06] <TJ-> rollae: it'll depend on which keyring gpgv is using
[18:07] <TJ-> rollae: by default gpgv should use the same keyring as gpg does though
[18:09] <rollae> I don't want to use gpgv but the full gpg command with option using other thing is still confusion
[18:12] <bipul> !logs
[18:14] <rollae> don't log things, I am pro privacy
[18:15] <lordcirth_> rollae, it's a public channel with 1140 people connected, any one of whom could also log it.  There is no privacy here.
[18:17] <itguys> rollae: And most IRC clients log by default, so there's probably 1000+ copies of the log.
[18:22] <rollae> sha256sum --tag f1 f2 f3 -b
[18:22] <rollae> SHA256 (f1) = 2c8b08da5ce60398e1f19af0e5dccc744df274b826abe585eaba68c525434806
[18:22] <rollae> why doesn't binary mode output in binary instead of text!!
[18:22] <TJ-> rollae: because you could kill the terminal with control codes
[18:22] <ikonia> rollae: are you doing this on ubuntu or bsd
[18:22] <rollae> what it does it mean to read in binary vs text ?
[18:23] <ikonia> as you're asking the same problem in both channels
[18:23] <ikonia> which suggests based on your text in openbsd you're actually doing this on bsd
[18:23] <rollae> on ubuntu , not bsd. sha256 -tag generates bsd checksum .
[18:23] <rollae> ikonia: obsd in vm
[18:23] <rollae> I just download
[18:23] <rollae> and qubes too in vm !!
[18:23] <rollae> I just download
[18:23] <rollae> I use multiple distros like any linux fanatic
[18:24] <matsaman> I use one like a sane person
[18:24] <lordcirth_> rollae, last time I tried to run Qubes in Virtualbox, it crashed the host
[18:24] <rollae> But what's wrong with using qubes ? qubes is a linux .
[18:24] <lordcirth_> Qubes requires virtualization support, can't do it inside a VM
[18:24] <matsaman> security through isolation? Sounds like a cop out
[18:24] <lordcirth_> Qubes runs Xen, and Fedora on top of that
[18:24] <matsaman> You could just put anyting in a sandbox and it's in a sandbox
[18:24] <matsaman> why do you need a special distro to do that
[18:25] <ikonia> join #openbsd
[18:25] <matsaman> ikonia: make me
[18:25] <ikonia> matsaman: typo
[18:25] <matsaman> sure sure
[18:25] <lordcirth_> matsaman, Qubes lets you effectively isolate things *and* still get work done.
[18:25] <lordcirth_> Anyone could run a bunch of VMs, but the UX would suck
[18:27] <matsaman> lordcirth_: as certainly qubes' does
[18:27] <lordcirth_> matsaman, it's pretty good UX, considering.
[18:28] <matsaman> not really though, you can run a guest without suffering visual problems
[18:28] <matsaman> but it's still nonsense
[18:28] <ikonia> I think we're probably straying a bit out of the ubuntu channels topic here
[18:28] <matsaman> KDE =P
[18:28] <matsaman> ikonia: uh, you were just talking about openbsd! =P j/k
[18:30] <bipul> What is HWE kernel?
[18:31] <ikonia> hardware enablement
[18:31] <mispp> bipul: newer kernel that you can install on LTS releases
[18:31] <bipul> So how it is useful??
[18:31] <matsaman> finally kernels that enable hardware instead of disable
[18:31] <ikonia> bipul: do you currently have a problem ?
[18:32] <ikonia> bipul: if not, stick with the standard kernel
[18:32] <bipul> And is there is a problem then??
[18:32] <bipul> s/is/if/
[18:32] <ikonia> then you debug it and resolve it with the appropriate action
[18:32] <bipul> How?
[18:32] <mispp> guys, any way to properly hidpi scale Qt apps in ubuntu 18.10? mostly interested in qtcreator...
[18:32] <ikonia> depends on the problem
[18:33] <bipul> I have seen in most of the cases when there is driver issue, then we need to install hwe kernel
[18:34] <ikonia> bipul: it depends on the problem
[18:34] <ikonia> the default position should not be to just randomly change the kernel
[18:35] <ikonia> it should be because research has been done, the problem understood and the solution is understood and ramifications of changing the kernel
[18:35] <bipul> ikonia, okay :)
[18:41] <coconut> Are Nvidia Quadro laptop video cards supported well under ubuntu?
[18:42] <matsaman> yup
[18:42] <matsaman> you got a specific model?
[18:43] <coconut> matsaman: i consider buying a new dell laptop. (model is Precision 7730)
[18:44] <coconut> but if it is supported i just might buy one :)
[18:44] <matsaman> well with Dell you can return it if it isn't
[18:45] <ikonia> that feels like a massive waste of effort for the sake of checking the chipset support under linux
[18:45] <coconut> oh... that's pleasing yes
[18:45] <matsaman> coconut: you can see Nvidia's own driver's model support here, which includes the two quadros you can get on the 7730: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/140135/en-us
[18:46] <matsaman> ikonia: it's actually less effort than research, IMO
[18:46] <matsaman> it depends on your schedule what would be the best course
[18:46] <OerHeks> NVIDIA Quadro P3200 or P4200 ??
[18:46] <OerHeks> https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/precision-7730/spd/precision-17-7730-laptop/xctop7730hwus
[18:46] <matsaman> and your liquid cash
[18:46] <OerHeks> you do have choise
[18:46] <matsaman> they're both supported
[18:46] <matsaman> ${lecture about buying giant multi-fan laptop pretending to be a desktop here}
[18:49] <coconut> OerHeks: well i don't know which gpu. But i rather have a silent system... so probably the smaller p3200 if that differs.
[18:50] <thrmo> I get this error when trying to open an AppImage on ubuntu 18.10:
[18:50] <thrmo> there is no application installed for "appimage application bundle"
[18:50] <coconut> OerHeks: both have driver support right?
[18:51] <thrmo> what do I need to install?
[18:51] <OerHeks> coconut, jups
[18:51] <coconut> thnx :)
[18:52] <OerHeks> chmod a+x exampleName.AppImage adn run it with: ./exampleName.AppImage or doubleclick it
[19:00] <jwash> hi everyone, I have a drive that disappeared, cmd line gave a i/o error then dead. reboot was unsuccessful. I removed from fstab in recovery, computer boots. fdisk -l doesn't see it, badblocks doesn't see it. Can anyone suggest what to do next?
[19:01] <TJ-> jwash: check the kernel log to begin with, see if the device even responses to probes
[19:01] <EriC^^> jwash: maybe it's a loose connection or bad cable just a thought
[19:02] <ioria> jwash, is it  a sata device ?
[19:02] <jwash> yea, sata, has been solid for years
[19:02] <jwash> case sits in a rack and is never touched
[19:02] <leftyfb> jwash: check to see if it shows up in your BIOS. If not, I'm going to go with a bad drive. If it does, I would try the disk check in gparted from a live cd/usb. Either way, I'm going to go with it being a bad drive and you should just restore from backup.
[19:03] <jwash> yea
[19:03] <jwash> very true
[19:03] <ioria> jwash, dmesg | grep ata[0-9]
[19:04] <jwash> Dec 27 14:08:11 200 umount: umount: /stor/sdb1: target is busy.
[19:06] <jwash> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JYCggz4f4Z/
[19:08] <americanwookie> TJ-: Sorry for the slow response. So this system is a iscsi netboot, but as far as I can tell, the kernel is still coming from the OS partition.
[19:09] <americanwookie> (context: I had the question about copymods from 4h ago)
[19:11] <jwash> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2q7G7ST3Xd/
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> jwash: in the second post, it appears that you mounted the drive? is that correct?
[19:13] <jwash> I tried, but it never actually mounted
[19:13] <TJ-> jwash: That's a RedHat kernel isn't it?
[19:13] <jwash> sorry
[19:13] <jwash> it is
[19:13] <TJ-> 3.10.0-862.11.6.el7.x86_64 (builder@kbuilder.dev.centos.org)
[19:13] <jwash> i use ubuntu for desktop
[19:14] <jwash> its been a while since i had an issue with it so i went here, lol
[19:15] <TJ-> jwash: the important kernel messages have been lost by dmesg since it is a ring-buffer. Use "journalctl -b" to get them
[19:18] <americanwookie> TJ-: The problem I'm having with copymods is that everytime I reboot the server, I lose modules I need in /lib/modules like veth and iptables*. I've been slowly adding modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, but I'm getting to the point where every module I need is ending up in my initrd. This feels wrong.
[19:19] <jwash> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RwBktf2F2y/
[19:27] <rollae> hey why can't gpg do what signify can do i.e. verify the hashes files against an attached signature- which gpg does, but then COMPARE the hash values in the attached signature with the hash value of the .iso file ?
[19:28] <rollae> I wish to COMPARE them without using my eyes to check whether the hash values match.
[19:29] <leftyfb> rollae: make a script?
[19:29] <TJ-> rollae: we've already told you
[19:31] <rollae> gpgv Qubes-R4.0-x86_64.iso.DIGESTS
[19:32] <rollae> https://bpaste.net/show/665db4eb2e3c
[19:32] <rollae> TJ-: I tried with gpgv but why does it fail ?
[19:32] <rollae> I imported the public key too
[19:33] <rollae> gpgv is a strange program. as it can't even verify the digests
[19:33] <rollae> I mean it's an 'attached' signature. is attached signature the right vocabulory to use
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> rollae: questions like that, it would appear that maybe you need to look at the documentation for those tools more carefully
[19:51] <TJ-> rollae: did you sign your trust for the Qubes key? gpgv will only use trusted keys
[19:52] <TJ-> rollae: when gpg2 receives/imports keys they go into the pubring.gpg and if you list the key you'll note it isn't trusted (by you or any key you trust).
[19:53] <Hackwar> hi folks, I have Ubuntu Server and want to run a bunch of scripts on bootup in the background. I read that I can simply add & to the end and it moves the whole thing to the background, but I would want to some times get the output on the screen again. When running everything manually, I can switch between terminals with Alt+F1/2/3/... Is there a way to do this for such bootup scripts?
[19:54] <technobi> Hello All, how do I change the console (tty) resolution without reboot?
[19:59] <TJ-> rollae: if you don't want to sign the Qubes key as trusted, you can trust it for the duration of the gpg operation only. For that you cannot use gpgv, but can use gpg2. e.g. " gpg2 --verify --trusted-key DDFA1A3E36879494 --output /tmp/hashes" && sha256sum -c /tmp/hashes  "
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> Hackwar: there is not. if you're looking for the output of the scripts, you should set them up to log their output to a log file
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> Hackwar: if you're unable to modify the scripts/programs to log output. you can redirect the output when they are launched
[20:09] <TJ-> Hackwar: or run them via a systemd unit file which will log output by default
[20:17] <j4f-shredder> https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au/tree/v5.3.4  If I use the bash script to install the network interface, do I need to run the make command to build it asd well or that is an alternative method of using that bash script? I'm a noob
[20:18] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: why are you doing this ?
[20:18] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: aircrack is in the ubuntu repos
[20:19] <j4f-shredder> I need to build awus036ach model to inject packages to my network and see if it's safe
[20:19] <OerHeks> i think he wants to build a rtl8812au driver, capable of doing noob stuff
[20:19] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: no you don't
[20:19] <j4f-shredder> with the one in the ubuntu repos I cant put the network interface in that mode
[20:19] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: "I'm a noob" v "I want to inject packets into my network" are totally different ends of the spectrum
[20:19] <j4f-shredder> hey, I'm just reading tutorials, I don't have the money to pay to an ethical hacker
[20:19] <OerHeks> inject packages.. ??
[20:20] <Hackwar> pragmaticenigma: Thanks, after some more considerations, I will keep it simple for now...
[20:20] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: you don't need to do that
[20:20] <Hackwar> Also thanks to TJ.
[20:20] <j4f-shredder> hey, could you just answer me if I need to execute the make command as well
[20:20] <j4f-shredder> ??
[20:20] <ikonia> no
[20:20] <ikonia> I'm not going to support that
[20:20] <j4f-shredder> since most of the software for ubuntu don't need that anymore
[20:20] <ikonia> I'll help you validate your network security
[20:20] <j4f-shredder> ok
[20:20] <ikonia> as would the guys in ##security
[20:20] <j4f-shredder> if you wanna do it for free you are welcome
[20:20] <j4f-shredder> of course
[20:21] <TJ-> j4f-shredder: if you use the dkms-install.sh method you do not need to do 'make' - DKMS takes care of it
[20:21] <j4f-shredder> do you have skype?
[20:21] <j4f-shredder> TJ thanks
[20:21] <j4f-shredder> these guys thinks I wanna do something malicious and refused to answer my questions
[20:21] <ikonia> I don't think that at all
[20:21] <j4f-shredder> they are not familiar with the ethical hacking practices
[20:22] <ikonia> I stated what I think that your experience and requirements are at oposite ends of the spectrum
[20:22] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: yes I am
[20:22] <ikonia> and I don't believe you'll get a useful output
[20:22] <j4f-shredder> I don't understand why you refused to "support" my question then
[20:22] <ikonia> for the reasons I've just said
[20:22] <j4f-shredder> I was really friendly asking it
[20:23] <j4f-shredder> oohh I see what you mean
[20:23] <j4f-shredder> I missunderstood you
[20:23] <j4f-shredder> you only support ubuntu repositories
[20:23] <j4f-shredder> that's ok
[20:23] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Maybe you asked the wrong question.  Generally the irc channels only support the default packages.  Building kernel modules is a bit off-topic, but I'm sure it's not hard to research.
[20:23] <ikonia> again, not what I said
[20:23] <j4f-shredder> I thought you were being unfriendly
[20:24] <j4f-shredder> you speak with a really hard language...I don't understand your statements to be honest
[20:24] <j4f-shredder> you should be more pedagogical
[20:24] <TJ-> DKMS is supported and is the preferred way to build/install/manage out-of-tree kernel modules
[20:24] <j4f-shredder> if you want people to leave windows behind...that's what I'm trying to do and this is quite intimidating
[20:24] <OerHeks> saying being a noob does not help either
[20:24] <OerHeks> grinn
[20:25] <j4f-shredder> I'm a noob, I'm not afraid to admit it
[20:25] <j4f-shredder> I needed help and I asked for it
[20:25] <j4f-shredder> I don't see the problem
[20:25] <TJ-> I'm a noob and I've been here 14 years :)
[20:25] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: I don't want people to leave windows behind
[20:26] <j4f-shredder> I don't understand the difference between managing it with dkms or installing it from that github
[20:26] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: what I do what is for you to actually get an outcome that is useful to you
[20:26] <matsaman> j4f-shredder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configure_script#Usage is the classic approach
[20:26] <j4f-shredder> will I be able to get the same package from dkms?
[20:26] <j4f-shredder> 5.3.4
[20:26] <j4f-shredder> I need that specific version
[20:26] <matsaman> it's not usual you'd need aircrack source to get wireless working, though
[20:26] <ikonia> and typing blindly commands from a tutorial won't help, hence why I offered a more specific channel that may get you help, or offered to help you myself
[20:26] <ioria> j4f-shredder, dkms is for kernel updates (you don't need to recompile)
[20:27] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Other than "inject packets", what exactly are you trying to do?
[20:27] <j4f-shredder> why would this be a "kernel update"? Are driver installations considered kernel updates?
[20:27] <j4f-shredder> jhutchins: someone is getting handshakes from my network and I need to know if they can crack the password with a gpu
[20:28] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: You're talking about a kernel module.  Perhaps read up on that a bit.
[20:28] <j4f-shredder> it has happened 3 times already
[20:28] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: how do you know this
[20:28] <ioria> j4f-shredder, the module is build against your current kernel
[20:28] <matsaman> j4f-shredder: why does it matter? The solution is to make your password longer regardless of the answer
[20:28] <leftyfb> "handshakes from my network" uh....
[20:28] <j4f-shredder> the whole network logs out from time to time
[20:28] <ioria> *built
[20:29] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: how do you know someone is "getting handshakes"
[20:29] <j4f-shredder> ioria: I never understood kernels and drivers...it's a mistery to me
[20:29] <TJ-> j4f-shredder: I think you're being confused by all the fuss. Ubuntu ships the DKMS system for the purpose of building/installing/managing out-of-tree kernel modules such as the one you want to build in the aircrack-ng repo. The instructions you linked to show they have a couple of scripts that call on DKMS to make(build) and install the module. So, we support DKMS itself, but can't support the specific repo
[20:29] <TJ-> and module you're wanting to work with.
[20:29] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: What you probably want is something like tcpdump and/or wireshark to analyse the traffic on your network.
[20:29] <ioria> j4f-shredder, so you should not use external modules
[20:30] <j4f-shredder> but I can't get the same functionalities from the ubuntu dkms
[20:30] <j4f-shredder> so that's why I need to install this
[20:30] <j4f-shredder> I'm talking to a lot of people in a network forum and they all use this driver for ubuntu
[20:30] <j4f-shredder> since the default is useless
[20:30] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: join ##security and explain the problem (not your solution)
[20:30] <j4f-shredder> to get into manage mode
[20:30] <ikonia> people will help
[20:31] <ikonia> you're making a problem and I'm not convinced you actually have one
[20:31] <j4f-shredder> thanks and sorry for the missunderstanding sir
[20:31] <ikonia> no need for sorry
[20:31] <j4f-shredder> I just need to understand kernels and drivers
[20:31] <TJ-> j4f-shredder: right, for your purpose you need to use the aircrac repository, and that will call on Ubuntu's DKMS tooling to install that module
[20:31] <j4f-shredder> It's a hard topic
[20:31] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25557 <- basic troubleshooting.
[20:31] <j4f-shredder> there should be a 5 minute video explaining that
[20:31] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: No, because what you're trying to do is not a basic "noob" task.
[20:32] <j4f-shredder> TJ how's that? should I clone that repo and run that command or how do I make use of this dkms thing?
[20:32] <jhutchins> ubottu: dkms
[20:32] <j4f-shredder> jhutchins: I think it's easier to explain the community how to install drivers and how they relate to kernel versions, it's really confusing
[20:32] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Read that.  I still think you're headed down the wrong path.
[20:33] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: There's plenty of documentation on "linux kernel modules" - hit your favorite search engine.
[20:33] <ioria> j4f-shredder, just for asking, are you using the repo rtl8812au-dkms   or the git version ?
[20:33] <TJ-> Just for context here, Ubuntu's own rtl8812au driver is actually a DKMS package. The aircrack-ng version has added monitor mode and other goodies.
[20:33] <TJ-> !info rtl8812au-dkms
[20:33] <j4f-shredder> the git version
[20:34] <ioria> j4f-shredder, yeah
[20:34] <j4f-shredder> jhutchings....so basically, according to that link if you install a driver not using dkms then if you upgrade your kernel you will be in trouble?
[20:35] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Not really, you just have to rebuild the module against the newer kernel.
[20:35] <ioria> j4f-shredder, used this ? https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux.git
[20:35] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: dkms detects that the kernel has changed and rebuilds any modules it knows about.
[20:35] <j4f-shredder> everytime I installed the updates on another machine I would have to install the network driver all over again, so maybe it's because of that
[20:36] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: again if this is just a one off test you shouldn't need to maintain this
[20:36] <j4f-shredder> ioria: I tried that one but doesn't work in ubuntu
[20:36] <j4f-shredder> in manage mode
[20:36] <ioria> oh
[20:36] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Possibly something like that.  That's why it's best to stick with the official packages if possible.
[20:36] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: and again - I believe you are approaching this whole problem totally wrong
[20:36] <j4f-shredder> the one I provided is the only one
[20:36] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: you still haven't told us how you know "someone is getting handshakes from my network"
[20:37] <j4f-shredder> I just want to put my network interface in managed mode to put it simply
[20:37] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: I think you should try some other things before you try building modules.  You can wreck your system pretty badly doing that without knowing what's happening.
[20:37] <j4f-shredder> and that is the only driver that works for ubuntu
[20:37] <j4f-shredder> otherwise I have to install kali linux
[20:37] <j4f-shredder> and I don't want to
[20:37] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: how do you know "someone is getting handshakes from my network"
[20:37] <ikonia> kali runs from live media for pentration testing
[20:37] <ikonia> this is the perfect situation
[20:37] <j4f-shredder> since my network is deathenticating quite frequently
[20:38] <j4f-shredder> someone is messing up with my network
[20:38] <ikonia> how do you know this ?
[20:38] <leftyfb> ^
[20:38] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Not necessarily.  Wireless?
[20:38] <j4f-shredder> I have 7 machines and they all suffer the same
[20:38] <j4f-shredder> yeah, 7 laptops
[20:38] <ikonia> "suffer the same"
[20:38] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: suffer what exactly?
[20:38] <ioria> j4f-shredder, same chipset ?
[20:38] <j4f-shredder> they lose connection and then regain it 2 seconds later
[20:38] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: wireless? wired? both?
[20:39] <j4f-shredder> this happens 10 times every 4 days
[20:39] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: good lord !!!! that doesn't mean someone is messing with your network
[20:39] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: you should not be penetration testing your wifi with no knowedge because your wifi is dropping out
[20:39] <j4f-shredder> leftyfb: just wireless
[20:39] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: you more than likely have a junk router/AP
[20:39] <j4f-shredder> I already bought this interface so I want to try it out
[20:39] <j4f-shredder> I don't know what is the big deal, I just need to use that driver and put it in manage mode
[20:40] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: people are trying to help you fix your problem
[20:40] <j4f-shredder> the thing is that I don't know how to interact with this dkms
[20:40] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: you're trying to force the wrong answer
[20:40] <ikonia> that's the problem
[20:40] <j4f-shredder> is it the same as apt??
[20:40] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: no
[20:40] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: no, you don't. You need to figure out why your wireless is dropping. Nothing you are trying to accomplish with solve that
[20:40] <j4f-shredder> how do you interact with dkms?
[20:40] <j4f-shredder> to install their drivers?
[20:41] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: I suggest you readthe links provided to you
[20:41] <ikonia> maybe re-read the scroll back of the channel
[20:41] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Why don't you read that link about it? https://launchpad.net/dkms
[20:41] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: Would you like help troubleshooting why your wireless is dropping out?
[20:41] <j4f-shredder> I already read that framework description
[20:41] <ioria> j4f-shredder, usually a Makefile.dkms is shipped in the pkg
[20:41] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: because nothing you are doing is part of that process
[20:41] <j4f-shredder> but there are no easy instructions to intearct with that framework
[20:41] <j4f-shredder> it's really counterintuitive to be honest
[20:41] <j4f-shredder> the docs I mean
[20:41] <j4f-shredder> a video would be better
[20:42] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: it's not an easy task
[20:42] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: hence why at the start I said "this is different ends of the spectrum than you're knowledge"
[20:42] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: no, it wouldn't
[20:42] <j4f-shredder> now I understand what you said
[20:42] <j4f-shredder> it would have been better to say...you are trying to do stuff that you are not prepared for
[20:42] <TJ-> j4f-shredder: the instructions you originally linked to showed the exact commands to execute to install the module, what more do you want?
[20:42] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: I did
[20:43] <j4f-shredder> TJ I already run them but then you suggested not to install that and to use dkms instead, and that's what I'm asking
[20:43] <bprompt> j4f-shredder:   maybe you should start off from the very beginning, and explain what is happening, so others can help you, instead of jumping to conclusions and asking on help on those conclusions, just saying
[20:43] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: The problem is far more likely to be the router or your link Telecom Argentina is not the most reliable provider.
[20:43] <j4f-shredder> but they keep trying to persuade me not to install a driver for an interface I already bought and I need to try
[20:44] <ikonia> you don't need to try
[20:44] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: We're trying to keep you from getting in over your head and wrecking your system.
[20:44] <ikonia> do you want to a.) solve your wifi problem b.) brag to your mates your a wifi cracker
[20:44] <ikonia> as lets be honest, that's the reality here
[20:44] <leftyfb> you're ;)
[20:44] <j4f-shredder> it's really hard to talk to you to be honest
[20:44] <ioria> hehehe
[20:44] <j4f-shredder> I already told you and you don't believe me
[20:44] <ikonia> if I had a wifi problem like you, and people are offering to fix it for you, I'd be taking their arm off
[20:45] <ikonia> you on the other hand don't appear to be interested in fixing it and just want to run an specific interface in managed mode with no konwledge
[20:45] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: What brand/model router do you have?
[20:45] <j4f-shredder> even if that was the case, why would you care about my personal affairs(which, I repeat, I'm not a wifi cracker, connection here is like 20 bucks)
[20:45] <TJ-> j4f-shredder: no, i did not suggest not to install that. I was telling you to use the DKMS install method the link you gave documents. Ubuntu includes the DKMS system so it would  work. I do note however those instructions are incomplete on how to integrate into the Debian/Ubuntu way of doing things.
[20:45] <j4f-shredder> link
[20:45] <ioria> honestly  rtl8812au is troublesome on 18.04
[20:45] <bprompt> j4f-shredder:   you said what "you think is happening" and you're asking for help on what "you think is a solution", instead of letting others understand what's the original issue that prompted you on this
[20:46] <j4f-shredder> ok, you wanna reduce the problem? I need to install a driver using the best possible way in ubuntu 18.10...forget about all the rest
[20:46] <jhutchins> Hardware that uses realtek chipsets is often shoddily built and unreliable.
[20:47] <OerHeks> DKMS needs no action .. but that is all explained in the wiki
[20:47] <jhutchins> The wholesale price on the chipset is usually well under a dollar.
[20:47] <j4f-shredder> now that you awared me on dkms, I need to know how you usually install things with that stuff
[20:47] <j4f-shredder> so It's not that I'm not listening, I'm not getting the straight answers I need
[20:47] <ikonia> there is no straight answer
[20:47] <ikonia> you need to understand
[20:47] <j4f-shredder> there must be a command or something like dkms install blabla
[20:47] <j4f-shredder> I just need that
[20:47] <ikonia> this isn't a copy and paste situation
[20:47] <OerHeks> you asked that already... dkms does the job when a new kernel is installed
[20:47] <bprompt> j4f-shredder:    that's not quite reducing it, since you're still running on the same track, so you never really went back to the original issue
[20:48] <j4f-shredder> ok, so it's a background thing this dkms
[20:48] <j4f-shredder> I thought it was an interactive framework
[20:48] <j4f-shredder> where I could send directives
[20:48] <j4f-shredder> and install stuff
[20:48] <ikonia> you're just saying random words
[20:48] <OerHeks> install & forget
[20:48] <j4f-shredder> the docs should aware noobs on that
[20:49] <ikonia> I think you need to either invest in some real learning/research
[20:49] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: this is not a "noob" thing
[20:49] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: as you've been told multiple times
[20:49] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: if you're not prepared to invest the time in the learning (which is fine) you need to accept some things are out of your grasp
[20:49] <j4f-shredder> I know, but you think that people that doesn't know much just limit themselves not to do things cause they are hard?
[20:49] <bprompt> j4f-shredder:    seems to me, you need to unplug for 30 minutes, take a good lemonade drink, relax, and then come back :)
[20:49] <j4f-shredder> I prefer to hit a wall and try to jump over it
[20:49] <ikonia> however as I've said the guys in ##networking and ##security can help you with your wifi problem if you want to fix the reasl issue
[20:49] <j4f-shredder> that's the way to learn
[20:49] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Did you try the instructions on how to install the driver with DKMS that are on https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au/tree/v5.3.4 ?
[20:50] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: then hit a wall
[20:50] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: rather than keep asking people to do it for you
[20:50] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: read/learn/test/play
[20:50] <ikonia> rather than "how do I do it !!!!"
[20:50] <ikonia> this is getting tedious
[20:50] <ikonia> either put the effort in, use the other channels to fix the real problem or accept you can't do it
[20:51] <jhutchins> The instructions are pretty clear, install dkms, extract the driver files, run the dkms-install.sh
[20:51] <j4f-shredder> jhutchins I run that kdms command already, after that I saw the install the driver section and I run it as well
[20:51] <jhutchins> Ok, so reboot, you've got the new driver.
[20:51] <j4f-shredder> cause I didn't know if the command on dkms section alone would do
[20:52] <j4f-shredder> I run both  sudo apt-get install dkms  and then I cloned the repo and run sudo ./dkms-install.sh
[20:52] <j4f-shredder> so according to you I should just remove the 2nd script
[20:52] <j4f-shredder> and just execute again just the first
[20:52] <jhutchins> No,
[20:52] <j4f-shredder> how does ubuntu manage the situation where you install something twice?
[20:53] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: It doesn't.
[20:53] <OerHeks> linux gives a nifty responce
[20:53] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: If you use the same method, you would just install it again.
[20:53] <j4f-shredder> I understood
[20:53] <OerHeks> bla bla.deb is already the newest
[20:54] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: How do you know you don't have the newer driver?  Did you follow the instructions to enable monitor mode?  How about the instructions to blink the LEDs?
[20:55] <j4f-shredder> the network is working
[20:55] <j4f-shredder> the interface I mean
[20:55] <j4f-shredder> after running both sudo apt-get install dkms  and then I cloned the repo and run sudo ./dkms-install.sh
[20:55] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: yeah, you said that.
[20:55] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: So reboot and you should be on the new module.
[20:55] <j4f-shredder> I feel like a dumb mofo to be honest....but it's hard for me to understand the answers
[20:56] <j4f-shredder> I mean, the question is simple, are those 2 different methods of installing the driver or they are complementary?
[20:56] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: What was the output from runnng the script?
[20:56] <j4f-shredder> 88XXau: Running module version sanity check.  - Original module    - No original module exists within this kernel  - Installation    - Installing to /lib/modules/4.15.0-42-generic/updates/dkms/  depmod...  DKMS: install completed. Finished running dkms install steps.
[20:57] <TJ-> jhutchins: "make" is the 'raw' way to build/install manually. "DKMS" wraps make and makes the whole process automated when newer kernel versions get installed so you don't have to manually build a module against the new kernel yourself
[20:57] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: First you installed dkms using the ubuntu package system (apt-get), then you built the module using the script to trigger dkms.
[20:57] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: What TJ said.
[20:57] <j4f-shredder> I mean was sudo apt-get install dkms just to install the dkms framework, and the script made use of that framework internally so they are just all part of 1 installation process?
[20:58] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: so do you actually have any interest in resolving the fact that 7 laptops on your network drop off of wireless 10 times every 4 days?
[20:58] <TJ-> j4f-shredder: correct :)
[20:58] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Exactly.
[20:58] <j4f-shredder> great
[20:59] <j4f-shredder> leftyfb: yeah, I will head to security later, I don't want to bother you with this stuff, I feel like an idiot asking the same questions and I probably am, but I feel really noob and frustrated and that's why I need the most straight answers possible(even if there are none)
[20:59] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: You can read the script to see what it did.
[20:59] <j4f-shredder> yeah, there is a dkms-remove script as well
[20:59] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: don't you think resolving your network issues is more important that playing around with aircrack?
[21:00] <j4f-shredder> so that's a good thing to undo all what that script did
[21:00] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: The problem is really that you're jumping into an advanced topic situation without knowing what's going on.
[21:00] <j4f-shredder> leftyfb: it's not that easy, perhaps for you it is
[21:00] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: mind you, your wifi dropping more than likely has nothing to do with ##security
[21:00] <ikonia> it is that simple
[21:00] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: There is a removal script, I would use that if you think you need to remove the driver.
[21:00] <j4f-shredder> I mean, you have been training for 20 years to do this stuff, I just have 7 months using it consistently
[21:01] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: right, so why are you not accepting peoples help fixing the problem
[21:01] <ikonia> and insisting on doing it your own way
[21:01] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: and yet, here you are, refusing the help and advice from everyone around you
[21:01] <ikonia> 20+ years help v 7 months - I'd listen
[21:01] <j4f-shredder> jhutchins: what would happen for example if I need to install ubuntu 19 in 10 months...would this driver still work?
[21:01] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: you wouldn't need that
[21:01] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: If all of the laptops loose the connection at the same time, it's nothing on your network.  Most likely your router is either loosing it's upstream connection or is dropping it's wifi signal.
[21:01] <j4f-shredder> who told you I didn't listen...I did exactly as you commanded
[21:02] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: you said this is a one time test to check your network
[21:02] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: why would you need this in 7 months time
[21:02] <j4f-shredder> you told me to sniff the network with wireshark
[21:02] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: I'm watching you ignore help
[21:02] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: you're not listening to anyone trying to help you with your wireless network issues
[21:02] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: and focus on your own "odd" agenda
[21:02] <bprompt> leftyfb:  come on now, you're distracting him, he's too busy installing "dkms", about the wifi.... nevermind it I guess
[21:02] <j4f-shredder> that's what I will do to see if there is and uncommon use of band
[21:02] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: That wouldn't drop the network like that.
[21:02] <j4f-shredder> I followed your advice 100%...but first I need to finish verifying the installation
[21:03] <leftyfb> jhutchins: why do you insist on "helping" him solve a problem that doesn't exist as opposed to his actual problem?
[21:03] <j4f-shredder> he was very helpful actually
[21:03] <ikonia> he is very helpful
[21:03] <ikonia> as are %99 of the people in this channel
[21:03] <j4f-shredder> he explained to me core concepts about dkms
[21:03] <j4f-shredder> and linux kernels
[21:03] <j4f-shredder> that's all I was asking for
[21:04] <j4f-shredder> and I repeat, I listened to you advice 100%
[21:04] <leftyfb> sorry, shouldn't have quoted the helping. I'm not debating that jhutchins isn't being helpful. Just that he should be aware that he's not solving an actual problem while j4f-shredder is ignoring help with the actual problem
[21:04] <j4f-shredder> I need time to put it in practice
[21:04] <ikonia> you're wasting time on the wrong solution
[21:04] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: no, you need to fix your wireless issues
[21:04] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Could you tell us what model router you're using?
[21:05] <ikonia> hence why "not listening" is being said
[21:05] <j4f-shredder> I can't change the router right know, you think it's the routing table that got full?
[21:05] <j4f-shredder> I used to have a router with that same issue
[21:05] <ikonia> you don't need to change the router
[21:05] <j4f-shredder> but it was 10 years ago
[21:05] <ikonia> you need to debug the problem
[21:05] <ikonia> and not make up random issues "routing table full"
[21:05] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: I wouldn't suspect the routing table.
[21:05] <ikonia> you have no idea - that's ok, don't make up assumptions
[21:05] <ikonia> ask for help, listen, learn
[21:06] <j4f-shredder> you think I'm not trying to do that? I wouldn't be here
[21:06] <j4f-shredder> asking
[21:06] <ikonia> I'm sure that's not what you're trying to do
[21:06] <jhutchins> ikonia: It's possible that "monitor mode" is required to use something like wireshark.
[21:06] <jhutchins> tcpdump should work though.
[21:06] <ikonia> as if it was - you'd be focussed on fixing the problem, rather tham some time wasting path you're going down
[21:06] <j4f-shredder> of course it's necessary
[21:06] <j4f-shredder> for most forensic tasks
[21:06] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: do you havr any devices that are hardwired?
[21:06] <ikonia> you're not doing forensic work
[21:06] <jhutchins> j4f-shredder: Once you get your current issue resolved, you might read up on tcpdump.
[21:07] <ikonia> you're trying to fix a network config problem
[21:07] <Mughal56> j4f-shredder, what will happen once the driver is working?
[21:07] <leftyfb> jhutchins: tcpdump isn't going to help troubleshoot wireless dropping out
[21:07]  * OerHeks handshakes
[21:07] <j4f-shredder> but are you really expecting me to know that? I'm learning on the go...I can't forsee the future
[21:07] <j4f-shredder> I don't have the same toolbox as you have
[21:07] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: do you have any devices that are hardwired?
[21:08] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: people are TELLING YOU
[21:08] <j4f-shredder> so that's why sometimes I need to try things
[21:08] <ikonia> hence why you're not listening
[21:08] <ikonia> how many times have people said "you don't need to do any of this"
[21:08] <ikonia> not once have you said "why" you've just kept saying " I need to do this "
[21:08] <ikonia> which is why I think you're just trying to brag to your friends or something rather than fix the problem
[21:08] <j4f-shredder> I needed it anyway since I bought this device that costed me like 100 dollars
[21:08] <ikonia> as if someone offered to fix the problem I'd take their arm off
[21:08] <leftyfb> j4f-shredder: nevermind .... good luck with your ignorance
[21:08] <j4f-shredder> I won't leave it in the wardrobe
[21:08] <Mughal56> Some people learn by reading, some people learn by listening, others learn by just doing their own thing
[21:09] <Mughal56> j4f-shredder, once the driver is working, what will you do?
[21:09] <j4f-shredder> I will try to check the activity on the network
[21:09] <ikonia> pull up a gui that looks like the matrix and send screen shots to his friends that he's a hacker ?
[21:09] <j4f-shredder> with some forensic tools
[21:09] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: what are you talking about
[21:09] <j4f-shredder> and then check the router config
[21:09] <j4f-shredder> that's all I can do
[21:09] <ikonia> forensic tools ???
[21:09] <j4f-shredder> if I can't fix it I will call someone
[21:09] <ikonia> why are you troubleshooting a network drop with forensic tools
[21:09] <Mughal56> what will you run to check the activity on the network?
[21:10] <ikonia> more so when you don't even understand the basics
[21:10] <j4f-shredder> that wireshark sniffer
[21:10] <ikonia> this is a waste of time,
[21:10] <j4f-shredder> sometimes all you need is a youtube video to start with
[21:10] <ikonia> no it's not
[21:10] <j4f-shredder> then you can focus on mastering something
[21:10] <j4f-shredder> that's the way I roll
[21:10] <j4f-shredder> I get overwhelmed otherwise
[21:10] <Mughal56> so you are expecting that the wireshark tool will show you what?
[21:10] <j4f-shredder> there's too much information out there
[21:10] <j4f-shredder> if you are a noob
[21:11] <j4f-shredder> it will show me the traffic....I will turn down all the computers
[21:11] <Mughal56> everyone is a noob at something
[21:11] <j4f-shredder> and if there are still packages with different ips than mine
[21:11] <TJ-> For goodness sake people, this is Ubuntu - stop being so aggressive, let j4f-shredder chose their own path. If you don't want to help just don't respond!
[21:11] <j4f-shredder> then someone is connected from the outside
[21:11] <j4f-shredder> I can even see that in the router configuration
[21:12] <ikonia> j4f-shredder: you understand you could just see that from the connection table on the router
[21:12] <ikonia> 90 seconds works
[21:12] <j4f-shredder> TJ thanks for the support...it's a shame that ikonia is so aggresive, next time I will think it twice before asking for help
[21:12] <Mughal56> Do you have wireshark installed?
[21:13] <j4f-shredder> not yet, I had kali linux ready to be installed but I decided to do all of this in ubuntu
[21:14] <ikonia> ok - so as TJ- lets keep to the topic
[21:14] <ikonia> you have your ubuntu support question answered
[21:14] <ikonia> this is not the channel for network support, so lets leave it there please.
[21:14] <j4f-shredder> ok
[21:14] <ikonia> if j4f-shredder wants to go his own way, that's on him
[21:23] <jhutchins> ikonia: Why not help him get where he thinks he wants to be, realize it doesn't help, then troubleshoot the problem properly?
[21:23] <jhutchins> ikonia: He might learn something along the way.
[21:29] <Sven_vB> I've gotta do lots of apt package operations, and I'd like to distribute them into time slots where I my prediction says the machine won't have much else to do. how can I make apt pre-calculate my installs, removes and update, save a list of independent blocks of operations, and then later apply one block?
[21:30] <jhutchins> ikonia: Personally, I think Telecom Argentina ++ cheap third-world consumer-grade router is an entirely adequite explanation.
[21:32] <NTQ> Hi. For some reason I can not use the VGA port on my docking station but the mini-DP + adapter to VGA on the laptop itself works without problems. Any idea how I can activate the VGA port on the docking station? specs: Ubuntu 18.04, Nvidia K2000M, Thinkpad W530. xrandr: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TjVPxDmRX5/
[21:32] <NTQ> I want to to use VGA-1-1 instead of DP-3
[21:33] <NTQ> Also I've got bad tearing artifacts on DP-2 and DP-3
[21:34] <NTQ> I am using nvidia drivers in version 390.77
[21:35] <jhutchins> Actually, it looks like he's using a Linksys RV042 router, that should be decent enough.
[21:37] <jhutchins> It should have logs.  Possibly needs a firmware upgrade.
[21:38] <pragmaticenigma> jhutchins: the topic was closed, please stop
[21:38] <jhutchins> D'Oh, that's the gateway.  Nevermind.
[21:40] <pragmaticenigma> NTQ: tearing should be resolved by testing the Vsync settings. As for the missing VGA... sometimes the VGA outputs are disabled when the digital display ports are in use because of resource constraints
[21:42] <coconut> Can an Nvidia Quadro P3200 be primed under ubuntu, just like an GTX 1060?
[21:42] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: can you explain what you mean by "primed" ?
[21:43] <coconut> with primed i mean disabling the gpu and use only the intel one
[21:44] <NTQ> pragmaticenigma: According to this the 4337 docking station should also be able to use the VGA port: https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/solutions/ht037605
[21:44] <OerHeks> cuda on P3200 ..
[21:44] <coconut> for heat and battery comfort usage
[21:45] <OerHeks> if you use your 2nd gpu too, heat and battery usage will not drop
[21:46] <NTQ> Wait... It seems I need the 4338 to be compatible with Thinkpad W530. I was completely overlooking that.
[21:46] <pragmaticenigma> NTQ: The dock can only output to two displays simultaneously. have you tried only attaching a monitor only to the VGA port?
[21:47] <NTQ> pragmaticenigma: Look for "quad Display configuration" on the site
[21:48] <pragmaticenigma> NTQ: I take it you do not have the requisit laptop model for that configuration?
[21:49] <coconut> OerHeks: well, i want to fully disable the nvidia and continue with only the intel from the same session. (if that's possible)
[21:50] <NTQ> It's possible but they do not mention w530. I need the Mini Dock plus Series 3 4338-30x for that purpose. But in this case using the Mini-DP on the laptop itself is totally fine, because these docking stations are expensive.
[21:53] <coconut> or does only some part of the nvidia card get disabled?
[21:54] <OerHeks> not sure you can disable it in your session
[21:56] <coconut> I think i am still fine if i don't need to reboot for it though. :)
[22:09] <alekksander> is it normal that hdparm -t /dev/sda says read speed is about 250, while this is ssd? internet says it's capable of 400MB/s
[22:11] <foo> I forget, is there a way to cat or head a file that is .gz? I thought there was gcat or gzcat or such? or zcat? Hmm
[22:12] <pragmaticenigma> alekksander: There are other factors that affect speeds, including the motherboard controller of the drive.
[22:13] <OerHeks> alekksander, test hdparm with these 2 commands, hdparm -Tt
[22:13] <matsaman> foo: cat
[22:13] <matsaman> zcat, even
[22:13] <OerHeks> cache and buffered
[22:13] <foo> matsaman: aha, zcat - now what package offers this... *investigates*
[22:14] <matsaman> foo: gzip itself
[22:14] <foo> matsaman: oh, it's already here, whoops. ok, thank you!
[22:14] <matsaman> yeah very common
[22:14] <pragmaticenigma> foo: zcat is just a wrapper... you can't read a compressed file without first decompressing it
[22:14] <OerHeks> sudo cat /dev/sda | pv -r > /dev/null # gives a rt result, just reading
[22:15] <foo> pragmaticenigma: zcat syslog.2.gz |head works fine
[22:15] <pragmaticenigma> foo: zcat simply inflates the file and sends the output to stdout...
[22:15] <pragmaticenigma> that's why that works
[22:16] <foo> pragmaticenigma: nice, this is working for my purpose. thanks1
[22:16] <foo> !
[22:16] <alekksander> OerHeks: looks like 250 is max. i will test under different OS to compare, but i expect the same (probably other hardware limitation as pragmaticenigma mentioned)
[22:16] <alekksander> thanks
[22:16] <pragmaticenigma> foo: you're welcome, I just wanted to help you understand what it was doing :)
[22:18] <foo> pragmaticenigma: yeah, that makes more sense now, I hadn't thought about it before
[22:18] <foo> pragmaticenigma: before it was like... magic! :)
[22:20] <pragmaticenigma> alekksander: It sounds like the drive might be attached to a SATA II port, you can easily look up the documentation of the motherboard or controller that you have attached the drive to, to verify this
[22:23] <TJ-> that info is available in the sysfs
[22:31] <alekksander> pragmaticenigma: it is adata sp310 in mini PCI Express slot. chipset is „Intel B75 Express”
[22:32] <alekksander> actually i don't see hardware limitation at all
[22:34] <pragmaticenigma> alekksander: that is the drive/storage device... I'm talking about the how it interfaces with the motherboard... the data rate can be limited by the SATA (or in this case mSATA) controller on the motherbaord
[22:35] <alekksander> rather than i/o scheduler?
[22:39] <virmaha> Hello. Whenever I start a shell and I do env | grep -i proxy, I find http_proxy being set. I checked my network proxy gui and it's set to None
[22:39] <virmaha> etc/environment doesn't have that, ~/.bashrc doesn't have it too
[22:39] <virmaha> everytime I start a new shell, i see it there. How can I figure out who is setting that
[22:41] <virmaha> logout fixed it :S
[22:42] <matsaman> virmaha: and if you use your proxy and cease to use it again?
[22:42] <virmaha> matsaman: I am confused. What do you mean
[22:42] <virmaha> I am mainly trying to figure out how it's being set
[22:43] <TJ-> alekksander: pragmaticenigma looks like you can identify the SATA revision (1, 2 3) with " cat /sys/block/sda/../../../../../../revision"
[22:44] <matsaman> virmaha: you might start with: grep -Hir http_proxy / 2>/dev/null
[22:47] <virmaha> matsaman: okay doing.
[22:59] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: Though I suspect that would be the devices capabilities... not the controller
[23:02] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: no, that is the controller
[23:03] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: if you use readlink you'll see the symlink backs off to the controller. In my case it becomes "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2"
[23:04] <TJ-> and "lspci -nn -s0:1f.2" => "00:1f.2 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP SATA Controller [AHCI Mode] [8086:9c83] (rev 03)"
[23:05] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I tested it on another system that has a SATA-2 controller and it reported 2, so I think it is the SATA revision which equates to max-speed
[23:05] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I presume we can also get the actual link rate but I got lost in sysfs looking for it :)
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: personally, I like lspci option more than anything
[23:14] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: found the link speed: "cat /sys/block/sda/../../../../../link1/ata_link/link1/sata_spd"
[23:15] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: are those dots placeholders or reverse traversals?
[23:17] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: 'parent-directory'
[23:17] <murthy> Is there a way to use Google hangouts with telepathy without using other google stuff
[23:17] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: it'd need more generalising to account for different link numbers
[23:17] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: found the link speed: "cat /sys/block/sda/../../../../../link?/ata_link/link?/sata_spd"
[23:18] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: tested on 2 different systems, seems to reflect the link speeds
[23:18] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: odd... all the "parent directories" would lead me to parent directory to "/" and further above
[23:18] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: no they won't
[23:18] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: /sys/block/sda is a symlink to deep in the device path
[23:19] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: ah! that's what I'm missing... I was thinking we were in the /dev tree
[23:19] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: :D
[23:19] <TJ-> This is why I get lost in sysfs frrequently, chasing the darned symlinks in circles
[23:20] <TJ-> It's almost impossible to used 'find' in it due to them causing circular paths
[23:21] <TJ-> /dev/ tree can be the same with /dev/mapper/ dev/disk/by-*/ and other symlinks too
[23:21] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, I'm familiar with /dev more than /sys ... that's for sure
[23:24] <TJ-> I love sysfs and try to master where to find things since it both exposes everything the kernel knows about devices and allows manual control of them, even when other tools are broken/missing/unavailable
[23:24] <TJ-> in sysfs, using "ls -l " is the key, to see the symlinks and what they point to
[23:33] <alekksander_> TJ-: pragmaticenigma here „cat /sys/block/sda/../../../../../link1/ata_link/link1/sata_spd” says „6.0 Gbps”
[23:37] <alekksander_> anyone having ssd to check their speeds with sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sdb ?
[23:38] <alekksander_> i'd like a confirmation if it's worth investigating
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> alekksander_: question, how full is the drive?
[23:40] <TJ-> alekksander_: "Timing buffered disk reads: 1534 MB in  3.00 seconds = 510.98 MB/sec"
[23:41] <alekksander_> pragmaticenigma: 43GiB available
[23:41] <Bashing-om> alekksander_: "Timing buffered disk reads: 558 MB in  3.02 seconds = 184.52 MB/sec"
[23:42] <OerHeks> if the specs claim 400 mb, and you get roughly 250, could that be genuine, data, overhead, and such ?
[23:43] <TJ-> It may include a drive-based RAM cache as well, which for larger reads/writes won't hold
[23:51] <alekksander_> it get's flat at 290
[23:56] <alekksander_> https://i.imgur.com/amBpspU.png