[00:00] <conr> should i just start fresh or is there an easy way to swap the Ubuntu OS HDD with a new one so I don't have to re-install everything?
[00:01] <TJ-> conr: you want to take one HD out and replace with another?
[00:01] <conr> TJ-:
[00:01] <conr> yes
[00:01] <TJ-> conr: can both devices be connected to the system at the same time ?
[00:02] <conr> maybe, i have a eSTATA port but i don't think i have the cord to connect to a SSD.
[00:02] <TJ-> conr: how about connecting both internally temporarily?
[00:03] <TJ-> conr: or is this a laptop/nnotebook?
[00:03] <conr> no desktop, i could try so if i did that what's the process?
[00:04] <TJ-> conr: well, assuming you have a spare sata cable, pop the side/cover off, put the 2nd drive in, connect to a Mobo SATA port and to power
[00:04] <TJ-> conr: the other question is how big is the new disk? larger capacity than the original?
[00:05] <conr> so the current is a 50GB and the new is 250GB
[00:06] <conr> what's the drive space cmd? `fdisk`
[00:06] <TJ-> conr: that's a partitioning tool, but it will report device capacity
[00:07] <TJ-> conr: so it's not just a clone, but an expand too
[00:08] <conr> so the boot `/dev/sda1` has 48.2G
[00:09] <OerHeks> a fresh install 18.04 would use one partition, including swapfile
[00:09] <conr> actually i think its a 60GB SSD.
[00:09] <conr> yeah but the other is a 250GB SSD
[00:09] <TJ-> conr: you could use them both if they fit internally
[00:10] <TJ-> conr: it is possible to configure things so that the space on the new device is mounted into the directories where you need it (possibly for /home/)
[00:10] <conr> well let me explain more
[00:11] <conr> i have 4TB HDDs (2x) for storage
[00:11] <conr> with a RAID profile
[00:11] <conr> so i just use the SSD for the Bionic OS
[00:11] <conr> but 60GBs is too small now
[00:14] <white_magic> can anyone recommend a way to set up a dock for ubuntu 18.04? The most common suggestion is the 'dash to dock' extension, but that's not exactly what I want. I want to keep the dash as it is. There is also the 'simple dock' gnome3 extension, but it's broken on ubuntu 18.04.
[00:15] <TJ-> conr: where is most of the OS storage being used? 60GB is a LOT for just the OS?
[00:15] <TJ-> conr: I'd bet you have /home/ on the OS drive, not the RAID array?
[00:15] <conr> right
[00:15] <conr> i just mnt the raid profile to the OS
[00:16] <TJ-> conr: so you could make the new drive just for /home/, move the existing /home/ content to it, and create a mount entry in fstab for it
[00:16] <TJ-> conr: that'd avoid you need to do much beyond a file copy (move)
[00:16] <conr> so i'm looking at dis usage analyzer
[00:16] <conr> it only has 10GB total for /
[00:17] <conr> is that default for the partition?
[00:17] <TJ-> conr: how about "sudo du -x -sh /home"
[00:17] <conr> 236M
[00:18] <TJ-> conr: 236MB for home?
[00:18] <conr> that's the output
[00:19] <TJ-> conr: you need to identify where the space is being used then! "sudo du -x / | sort -n" will list the biggest users last
[00:19] <TJ-> conr: hang on, change that
[00:19] <TJ-> conr: you need to identify where the space is being used then! "sudo du -x -d 2 / | sort -n" will list the biggest users last
[00:19] <TJ-> conr: the "-d 2" will limit the directory depth of the report
[00:20] <conr> so like i said / is 10GB
[00:21] <conr> then /usr is 4GB then /var is 4GB
[00:21] <TJ-> conr: does "df -h" reveal anything? It sounds like you've got multiple mount points OR some space unused
[00:21] <TJ-> conr: if the device is 60GB then its either not using a large part of that, or there's plenty of free space
[00:21] <conr> what's tmpfs?
[00:22] <TJ-> conr: RAM file-system
[00:22] <TJ-> conr: used for in-memory mounts for things like /dev cgroups /tmp/ and more
[00:22] <conr> oh i see it
[00:24] <conr> "/dev/sda1" 48G Size 45G Used
[00:25] <conr> or "udev" 3.6G Size 0 Used
[00:28] <conr> @TJ-
[00:28] <white_magic> anyone know how i can create a shortcut to a python application? E.g. catfish or deluge. I can launch them from the app menu just fine but if i create a shortcut on the desktop using ln -s, it just opens the python script file (which is a launcher for the actual application)
[00:33] <EriC^^> white_magic: create a desktop file
[00:33] <white_magic> EriC^^: ill try that, thx
[00:35] <EriC^^> np
[00:37] <EriC^^> white_magic: a nice trick if you want it to run in a terminal and stay open after finishing is to do " gnome-terminal -e "bash -c '/path/tp/pythonscript.py;bash'" or whatever terminal you're using
[00:43] <TJ-> conr: if /dev/sda1 is the / file-system, and 'df' reports 45G used, that doesn't match with what 'du' reported, which suggests some (large) deleted files are being held open by a process
[00:47] <conr> my trash is empty
[00:47] <conr> TJ-:
[00:48] <TJ-> conr: I'm not on about trash, I mean running processes that still have file descriptors open to large files that you've unlinked, but are not yet closed and therefore not deleted. Has it rebooted recently?
[00:48] <conr> rebooted today
[00:49] <wabbits> Hi Ubuntu. I ran startx and now I can't login via lightdm, please advise.
[00:50] <TJ-> conr: Usually when the reports from 'df' and 'du' vary so much it is due to unlinked files helpd open by running processes. I'd recommend a reboot and check those values again. If 'df' doesn't agree closely with 'du' then you've got something wrong there
[00:56] <conr> TJ- what cmds am I comparing again?
[00:57] <snowgoggles> wabbits: duck season.
[00:57] <TJ-> conr: "df -h" vs "sudo du -sh /"
[00:57] <snowgoggles> wabbits: ubu server?
[00:57] <wabbits> desktop 14.04
[00:58] <snowgoggles> wabbits: new install?
[00:58] <wabbits> nope ancient
[00:58] <snowgoggles> wabbits: hardware change?
[00:58] <wabbits> nope
[00:58] <wabbits> yes sort of
[00:58] <snowgoggles> wabbits: ?
[00:59] <wabbits> I was having problems with my hdmi display coming out of power saver mode
[00:59] <wabbits> It wouldn't "sync"
[00:59] <snowgoggles> wabbits: hmm sounds like display authority lock
[00:59] <wabbits> my nomenclature may be way off
[00:59] <wabbits> how do I verify or remedy?
[00:59] <snowgoggles> wabbits: gimmie a sec
[01:00] <wabbits> take your time.
[01:00] <wabbits> thanks for helping
[01:00] <conr> TJ-:  first is 232M second is 2.0T /
[01:02] <TJ-> conr: oh! my fault, that included your RAID! need to tell 'du' not to cross into other mountpoints, add the "-x" option as in "sudo du -x -sh /"
[01:03] <conr> now 9.5G
[01:03] <TJ-> conr: also, to make it easier to read the 'df' output use "df /" to limit it to the root file-system
[01:04] <snowgoggles> wabbits: you on tty1?
[01:04] <conr> yeah so `df -h /' says Size 48G Used 9.6G Avail 36G
[01:04] <conr> yeah so `df -h /' says Size 48G Used 9.6G Avail 36G`
[01:05] <lordcirth_> ncdu is also handy for visualizing du
[01:05] <TJ-> conr: so right, you have free space :)
[01:06] <wabbits> I am currently logged in as another user on pts/2 and pts/11
[01:06] <TJ-> conr: so your new SSD could be used alongside the existing SSD but there's no major squeeze that requires it
[01:06] <conr> TJ-: so why do i get 1GB  < popup warnings
[01:06] <snowgoggles> wabbits: multi user logged in?
[01:07] <TJ-> conr: I have no idea, I have no context as to what you're referring to
[01:07] <wabbits> I have root on vt1 and my alternate user on vt7
[01:07] <wabbits> not sure about multi user
[01:07] <wabbits> I am old and losing the plot :)
[01:08] <snowgoggles> wabbits: well that would be 2 users so. yes
[01:08] <wabbits> oh you mean run level > 2
[01:09] <snowgoggles> wabbits: ctrl-alt-f7 no gui correct?
[01:09] <conr> TJ-: when i open the disk usage analyzer it has the / size as 9.9G
[01:09] <wabbits> yes my alternate user has a gui on vt7
[01:09] <wabbits> s/yes//
[01:09] <conr> shouldn't it be 36G
[01:09] <snowgoggles> wabbits: why logged on a root? ubu defaults to no root logins
[01:10] <wabbits> root is logged on on vt1
[01:10] <TJ-> conr: 9.9G matches the used space you just reported doesn't it?
[01:10] <wabbits> so that I could look at some logs while I poked around on vt7
[01:10] <wabbits> with my alternate user
[01:11] <wabbits> vt1 meaning ctrl-alt-f1
[01:12] <snowgoggles> wabbits: ok so alternate reg user will not startx so i would delete the user's .Xauthority and .ICEauthority files and reboot.
[01:13] <wabbits> https://termbin.com/kb99
[01:13] <conr> TJ-: 9.5G but yeah
[01:13] <conr> does /var or /var/log have size quotas?
[01:13] <wabbits> snowgoogles do I have to reboot or can I just go back to lightdm?
[01:14] <snowgoggles> wabbits: pts are pseudo term logins
[01:14] <wabbits> is that  a yes or  a no, I can't tell.
[01:14] <AuroraAvenue> PLEASE                                                                                             explain wat this does      ?
[01:14] <AuroraAvenue> https://snapcraft.io/cqtdeployer
[01:14] <TJ-> conr: no. I have /var/ as a separate file-system to avoid it causing issues with / and on some systems I have /var/cache/ as another separate
[01:15] <snowgoggles> wabbits: i'm guessing it's a locked .Xauthority file so delete the user's file and reboot to recreate it.
[01:15] <wabbits> ok so a no. will do
[01:15] <wabbits> brb
[01:15] <AuroraAvenue> Where are some FPS games as snaps on Ubuntu too ? I'm getting flusteredly boredommed.
[01:16] <OerHeks> AuroraAvenue, the owner explains it all in https://github.com/QuasarApp/Console-QtDeployer/wiki
[01:16] <AuroraAvenue> cheers pal.
[01:18] <AuroraAvenue> any clue on a decent FPS on ubuntu yet?
[01:19] <AuroraAvenue> OerHeks, PMd ya.
[01:20] <OerHeks> tons of them, and more on Steam
[01:20] <AuroraAvenue> I cant pay for Steam & it takes ages to update anyway - plus I don't have the associated eMail no more ... so steam .... err, No.
[01:21] <AuroraAvenue> lost hundereds of games that way.
[01:23] <AuroraAvenue> if only i could actually be heard.
[01:24] <AuroraAvenue> okay u
[01:24] <AuroraAvenue> bye
[01:25] <wabbits> snowgoggles you have fixed my login issue. Thank you.
[01:26] <wabbits> two small corollarys if I may?
[01:27] <wabbits> The display looks "different" like anti-aliasing or some such. Its bugging my eyes.
[01:28] <wabbits> I switched from hdmi to dvi to see if the "sync" problem returning from power saver mode would go away.
[01:30] <snowgoggles> wabbits: so the display is bad only after resume from sleep?
[01:31] <wabbits> nope its just bad all the time now that I have switched to the dvi cable..
[01:31] <wabbits> like indistinct or maybe soft or fuzzy
[01:32] <snowgoggles> wabbits: sounds like a screen refresh rate issue with the config
[01:32] <wabbits> might not be a big deal. I have also been looking at black text on white background all day and I am used to the opposite.
[01:32] <wabbits> checking
[01:33] <snowgoggles> wabbits: my xserver display settings fu is pretty rusty
[01:33] <wabbits> I will try the hdmi again tomorrow and see if it looks different.
[01:34] <wabbits> for now I am just greatful to have a working setup. Thanks again!
[01:34] <snowgoggles> wabbits: np
[01:58] <on3pk> Good evening, everyone.  I did something dumb.  I took apart my computer without remembering how I got sound to play out of the rear-audio jack.
[02:01] <NewToLubuntu> oerheks thank you for your help on november 18
[02:01] <NewToLubuntu> it did remove the adware but I think I somehow got it back so I will be deleting my user cache again
[02:01] <NewToLubuntu> but this time I think I will be trying to back up my bookmarks first before resetting firefox
[02:02] <wabbits> on3pk I can help with that
[02:02] <on3pk> wabbits, oh cool
[02:02] <wabbits> please pastebin `ps aux | grep pulse` and `aplay -l` and `aplay -L`
[02:04] <coconut> NewToLubuntu: she is propably in bed now, seeing it is 03:03 at night on her location.
[02:05] <on3pk> wabbits, https://pastebin.com/008XVFqw
[02:06] <wabbits> on3pk good, please pastebin `amixer -c0` and `pactl list`
[02:08] <wabbits> while I am looking at that try this test `pasuspender -- speaker-test --nloops=1 --channels=2 --test=wav --device=hw:0,0`
[02:08] <wabbits> and pastebin the output. alsa tell me if you hear anything.
[02:09]  * on3pk double checks his cables
[02:10] <wabbits> on3pk I have other things I could be doing.
[02:11] <on3pk> wabbits, Okay, this was a human error on my part
[02:11] <on3pk> Sorry
[02:11] <wabbits> so what was the error?
[02:11] <on3pk> Speakers weren't plugged in properly
[02:12] <wabbits> glad its working
[02:12] <on3pk> Yeah, thank you for your help
[02:12] <on3pk> What were you looking for in that data?
[02:12] <on3pk> oh...
[02:14] <on3pk> Well, if anyone else knows what wabbits was looking for, I am genuinely interested in finding out what I should look for if/when this happens again
[02:15] <leftyfb> on3pk: if it happens again, check your cables first
[02:15] <on3pk> leftyfb, yep, that was a big mistake on my part
[02:34] <matsaman> on3pk: what's the problem?
[02:39] <on3pk> matsaman, at one point in time I could only get audio to play out the front speaker port.  It wasn't this time, but in the past...
[02:40] <on3pk> This time it was a human error
[02:40] <matsaman> oh
[05:10] <fleabeard> hello, can anyone tell me which way to properly setup a cron job? I'm trying to have a cron job shutdown my computer @ midnight every night, but I'm having no luck doing it via crontab -e, nor by editing the /etc/crontab file directly.
[05:11] <thatlizdude> Do you guys know where the scaling factor is stored in Kubuntu? I need to reset it because I believe that it's causing my programs to crash...
[05:11] <fleabeard> fwiw, I'm using 0 0    * * *   root    shutdown -h now >/dev/null 2>&1
[05:11] <fleabeard>  in the crontab
[05:12] <thatlizdude> I'm on KDE right now but I can't open System Settings nor Terminal nor Dolphin
[05:27] <fleabeard> I'm guessing tonight's not a good night for questions in this channel
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> thatlizdude: try dconf-editor
[05:46]  * c3r34l_milk hi
[05:47] <c3r34l_milk> :)
[05:50] <c3r34l_milk> lol
[05:50] <cfhowlett> ubuntu support here, c3r34l_milk.  ask your question.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> merry xmas cfhowlett :p
[06:00] <cfhowlett> and a happy new year to you, lotuspsychje!
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate
[06:01] <esjay> how can I copy a folder from ubuntu to a win10 laptop
[06:01] <esjay> on the same LAN
[06:01] <esjay> it takes too long to copy it within windows 10
[06:01] <esjay> this laptop == ubuntu and win10 ultimate, the other laptop I wanna copy to == windows 20 home
[06:04] <esjay> ...
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> !samba | esjay
[06:15] <c3r34l_milk> Hello
[06:16] <c3r34l_milk> Are we happy today?
[06:16] <cfhowlett> c3r34l_milk, this is not a chat channel.  if you have ubuntu questions, please present them.
[06:16] <c3r34l_milk> ok
[08:43] <austiko> hello
[08:43] <EriC^^> hi
[08:43] <austiko> I need help
[08:43] <EriC^^> with what?
[08:46] <austiko> i was trying to install windows 10 from an external hard drive, (i used mkusb) but in GRUB when i try to click on windows, it says "error: not a regular file.' "error: you need to load the kernel first."
[08:46] <EriC^^> austiko: do you want to install in uefi mode?
[08:47] <EriC^^> cause that'd be way easier to do
[08:47] <austiko> ok then sure
[08:48] <austiko> how would i do that?
[08:49] <EriC^^> austiko: make a fat32 partition and copy the contents of the windows iso (the actual files) to the partition
[08:50] <austiko> i have a problem though
[08:50] <EriC^^> austiko: use a gpt partition table on the usb, and set the fat32 partition to type "ef00"
[08:50] <EriC^^> what's the problem?
[08:50] <austiko> my external hard drive doesnt show up anywhere in ubuntu anymore
[08:50] <austiko> i tried to use gparted but it didnt show up
[08:50] <EriC^^> austiko: try "sudo parted -ls" and see if it's there
[08:51] <austiko> ok
[08:51] <austiko> Model: Seagate Portable (scsi)
[08:51] <austiko> Disk /dev/sda: 1000GB
[08:51] <austiko> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
[08:51] <austiko> Partition Table: msdos
[08:51] <austiko> Disk Flags:
[08:51] <austiko> Number  Start   End     Size    Type      File system  Flags
[08:53] <austiko> so what do i do now?
[08:54] <austiko> Model: Seagate Portable (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 1000GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B Partition Table: msdos Disk Flags:
[08:56] <austiko> @EriC^^
[08:56] <EriC^^> ok that's the ext hdd i'd guess right?
[08:57] <austiko> yes
[08:59] <EriC^^> austiko: if there's nothing on it you need, type "sudo gdisk /dev/sda"
[08:59] <austiko> ok
[08:59] <EriC^^> then press "o" to make a new gpt partition table
[08:59] <austiko> then what
[09:00] <EriC^^> austiko: press "n" to make a new partition
[09:00] <austiko> partition number?
[09:00] <EriC^^> use the default starting sector and ending sector (just hit enter keeping it blank)
[09:00] <EriC^^> hit enter
[09:00] <EriC^^> if it asks for type put in ef00
[09:01] <austiko> it changed the partition
[09:01] <austiko> now what?
[09:02] <EriC^^> austiko: press "w" to write the partition
[09:03] <austiko> OK; writing new GUID partition table (GPT) to /dev/sda.Warning: The kernel is still using the old partition table. The new table will be used at the next reboot or after you run partprobe(8) or kpartx(8) The operation has completed successfully.
[09:04] <austiko> so do i reboot my pc now?
[09:07] <EriC^^> :D
[09:09] <qwebirc94569> HEY ERIC
[09:09] <EriC^^> hey
[09:09] <qwebirc94569> YOU JUST WIPED MY PC
[09:10] <qwebirc94569> !!!!!!!
[09:10] <EriC^^> qwebirc94569: what? you said /dev/sda was the external hdd
[09:10] <qwebirc94569> IT WAS
[09:10] <EriC^^> ok that's the ext hdd i'd guess right?
 yes
 austiko: if there's nothing on it you need, type "sudo gdisk /dev/sda"
[09:11] <EriC^^> so how did i wipe your pc using that command? unless you typo'd something bro
[09:11] <qwebirc94569> >:(((((
[09:11] <EriC^^> anyways no need to fret you can get everything back, most likely
[09:11] <EriC^^> did you typo the command?
[09:12] <qwebirc94569> no
[09:12] <EriC^^> ok, so you're booting from a live usb right now?
[09:12] <qwebirc94569> Nopr
[09:12] <qwebirc94569> Everything is gone
[09:12] <qwebirc94569> I can't use it anymore
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: you need to make backups before you try things
[09:13] <EriC^^> qwebirc94569: you dont have a live usb?
[09:13] <qwebirc94569> Nothing is on my external either it wiped both
[09:13] <ducasse> relax, at most you nuked the partition table
[09:13] <EriC^^> ducasse has a point, it's nothing major
[09:14] <qwebirc94569> It says "boot device not found" "please install an operating system on your hard disk"
[09:14] <EriC^^> oh, lol
[09:14] <EriC^^> that doesnt mean crap
[09:14] <qwebirc94569> So how can I fix it
[09:14] <EriC^^> at this point get a live usb to troubleshoot
[09:14] <EriC^^> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[09:15] <qwebirc94569> how can I do that if this was the only computer in my entire household???
[09:15] <qwebirc94569> I only have the external hard drive, too
[09:16] <EriC^^> qwebirc94569: make sure you're booting the right drive in the bios with the right mode selected
[09:17] <EriC^^> how big is your usual hdd?
[09:17] <EriC^^> not the ext one
[09:17] <qwebirc94569> It is 32 gigs
[09:18] <EriC^^> ok
[09:19] <qwebirc94569> So I guess im just screwed
[09:19] <EriC^^> did you try selecting the right disk in the bios?
[09:19] <EriC^^> self pity isnt really helpful
[09:19] <qwebirc94569> It only says "os boot manager"
[09:19] <qwebirc94569> I'm not self pittying myself
[09:20] <EriC^^> well there's a solution, it might involve driving to a friends/family to make a live usb
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: why did you have windows on an external hd exactly?
[09:20] <qwebirc94569> I was trying to switch from Ubuntu to windows
[09:20] <EriC^^> he didn't have it there lotus, he was trying to create a windows installation usb
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: install ubuntu and load a windows with virtualbox, make your life easy
[09:22] <qwebirc94569> Yeah I probably should have done that
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: from a liveusb ubuntu you can also recover data
[09:23] <qwebirc94569> Well I ordered a usb the other day so I'm not even gonna bother with Ubuntu I'm just going to install Windowsbackk
[09:23] <EriC^^> qwebirc94569: did you try booting in legacy mode, you might have some residual bootloader in the mbr you could (possibly) work with
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: did you use your external hd for both data backup and install usb?
[09:24] <qwebirc94569> Yes it just showed a blinking line
[09:24] <qwebirc94569> No
[09:24] <qwebirc94569> I haven't backed up anything
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> blinking line means wrong uefi settings
[09:25] <qwebirc94569> So what would I do to fix that
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: what is your end goal? singleboot ubuntu? dualboot?
[09:25] <qwebirc94569> Well for now just singleboot
[09:26] <qwebirc94569> Because I won't be able to do the windows thing for a whe
[09:26] <qwebirc94569> While*
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: disable fastboot & secureboot then boot your ubuntu usb F12
[09:27] <qwebirc94569> Secureboot is disabled and there isn't a fastboot option
[09:27] <qwebirc94569> F12 just makes a beeping sound
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | qwebirc94569
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: if your system is uefi, you have to get a fastboot
[09:30] <EriC^^> qwebirc94569: do you remember running any efibootmgr commands?
[09:30] <qwebirc94569> No
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: did you install grub on external hd?
[09:31] <qwebirc94569> Everything that was Ubuntu was on my computer's hard drive
[09:32] <qwebirc94569> I made the external a bootable drive using mkusb
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: did you try to enter your system with grub?
[09:32] <qwebirc94569> Now it doesn't show up at all in boot manager
[09:32] <qwebirc94569> How do I do that
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: hold shift before boot
[09:33] <qwebirc94569> Holding shift doesn't do anything
[09:33] <EriC^^> qwebirc94569: did you run any commands or something in gparted prior to us talking here? it would be felt after the reboot
[09:33] <EriC^^> mkusb /dev/sdb for instance?
[09:33] <qwebirc94569> Yes
[09:33] <qwebirc94569> I think I did
[09:33] <EriC^^> was it /dev/sdb ?
[09:33] <qwebirc94569> I don't remember
[09:33] <EriC^^> cause that'd be your ubuntu OS as your system had them reversed
[09:34] <qwebirc94569> I think all of them were /sda
[09:34] <EriC^^> if you followed some online guide they probably had that there as an example as the usb is usually sdb sdc etc
[09:34] <EriC^^> they cant all be sda
[09:34] <qwebirc94569> Like sda1, sda2, etc
[09:34] <qwebirc94569> But one of them was sdb
[09:34] <qwebirc94569> I tried running that one
[09:34] <EriC^^> those are partitions on the same, not separate disks
[09:35] <EriC^^> aha, well that toasted the ubuntu install
[09:36] <qwebirc94569> fuck
[09:36] <Xard> seems like I can't start jackd2 (1.9.12) as the jackdbus just freezes on 18.04
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc94569: try to get an usb stick somewhere, then rescue data from a live
[09:36] <qwebirc94569> I am getting a usb stick delivered here Monday, luckily I ordered that before this
[09:38] <EriC^^> qwebirc94569: your ubuntu is pretty toast i'd think at this point
[09:38] <EriC^^> googling mkusb says it basically uses "dd" to put an image on the disk
[09:39] <EriC^^> you'd be able to recover individual files possibly using photorec, or if your ubuntu partition was more than 4gb in size (i think that's the windows installer size) then the filesystem should still be in tact and you could find and mount it using testdisk
[09:40] <heroyoojin> I'm on ubuntu right now!
[09:40] <EriC^^> i mean if the ubuntu partition is further in the disk than 4g in size *
[09:40] <qwebirc94569> So how would I run testdisk?
[09:41] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install testdisk && sudo testdisk
[09:41] <EriC^^> you just need to do "sudo testdisk" later on
[09:41] <qwebirc94569> Oh I can't do that my computer is just a shell now lol
[09:44] <qwebirc94569> I'm going to go to bed
[09:45] <Xard> okay, found out it might have something to do with ALSA
[09:46] <Xard> https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2/issues/116 - changing mode from duplex to playback only enables jack to start
[09:55] <austiko> hello
[09:57] <EriC^^> hi
[09:58] <austiko> Isn't irc really old
[09:59] <ducasse> austiko: stick to ubuntu support questions here please, #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[09:59] <austiko> K
[11:47] <Siamaster> Hi
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> welcome Siamaster
[11:48] <Siamaster> I have a 8 tb hard drive. It's new. It's a NAS hard drive and I think that's why it's showing only 1.4 gb
[11:48] <Siamaster> sorry 1.4 tb
[11:49] <Siamaster> how can I format it so I can use all available space?
[11:49] <Siamaster> there are no partitions on the drive, it's new
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> Siamaster: gparted is nice
[11:49] <ducasse> Siamaster: see if using a gpt partition table makes a difference
[11:49] <Siamaster> ok. what should I look for ? What are the terminology for this setup?
[11:50] <Siamaster> I mean, what should I remove?
[11:51] <austiko> What time is it where you guys are
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> austiko: you already got told this is not a chat
[11:52] <austiko> Jeez sorry
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> austiko: use #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic please
[11:54] <Siamaster> Error: The location 5.00TB is outside of the device /dev/sdb. when I try to create a gpt partition with partet
[11:55] <Siamaster> I tried mkpart primary 0.00TB 5.00TB
[11:57] <EriC^^> Siamaster: try using gdisk
[11:57] <EriC^^> Siamaster: what does sudo parted -ls show for the size
[11:58] <Siamaster> Disk /dev/sdb: 1404GB
[11:58] <EriC^^> i guess you have to let it see the full disk first
[11:58] <Siamaster> how do I do that?
[11:59] <EriC^^> no idea, you mentioned some NAS stuff is related?
[11:59] <EriC^^> maybe remove that and do it barebones after restarting?
[11:59] <Siamaster> yes, it's a "Nas hard drive" I don't even know why
[11:59] <Siamaster> remove what?
[12:02] <EriC^^> i thought you meant NAS like some networking layer stuff
[12:02] <EriC^^> Siamaster: does "dmesg | grep /dev/sdb" mention anything?
[12:03] <Siamaster> no, it says nothing
[12:03] <Siamaster> It's a new hard disk. I haven't even mounted it once
[12:04] <Siamaster> But I don't know how to do that either, also it says that it only has 1.4 TB
[12:04] <EriC^^> hmm try sudo grep /dev/sdb /var/log/kern.log
[12:04] <Siamaster> says nothing either
[12:04] <Siamaster> but this is what gdisk says: Partition table scan:   MBR: protective   BSD: not present   APM: not present   GPT: present
[12:07] <EriC^^> seems like others had the same issue https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/8-tb-usb-drive-detected-as-1-4-tb.63217/
[12:09] <EriC^^> Siamaster: how are you connecting the hard disk? many people seem to have issues with the connections making different brand hdd's show as less
[12:09] <EriC^^> Siamaster: in the bios is it set to raid or ahci? that's important it seems
[12:10] <Siamaster> I'm using a cabinet
[12:10] <Siamaster> must I do this on bios?
[12:11] <EriC^^> i dont know what that is
[12:11] <EriC^^> the raid ahci settings should be in the bios
[12:11] <Siamaster> I plug my hdd in that and connect it to my pc using a USB-port
[12:12] <Siamaster> Ok, I'll try.
[12:12] <EriC^^> oh, try connecting it using the cables the company sent with it or recommends
[12:12] <EriC^^> it's likely that
[12:12] <Siamaster> I didn't get any cables
[12:13] <ducasse> Siamaster: the controller in the cabinet might be the problem, try connecting it to a sata port in your pc
[12:13] <Siamaster> and I've tried doing these stuff on my BIOS before. I can't find the raid options
[12:13] <EriC^^> can you connect it directly without the cabinet for a trial?
[12:13] <Siamaster> no, but I don't understand why it should be needed
[12:14] <Siamaster> it's a hard drive I should be able to control it
[12:14] <ducasse> read what i just wrote
[12:14] <neure> hi
[12:15] <EriC^^> hi
[12:15] <neure> i have an extra NVMe drive I plugged in
[12:15] <Siamaster> I did, I just didn't understand
[12:15] <neure> how do i remove all old partitions?
[12:15] <Siamaster> what controller? why does it cause problems?
[12:16] <EriC^^> neure: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" and share the link here
[12:16] <EriC^^> Siamaster: the controller in the cabinet
[12:16] <EriC^^> the hdd might not be designed to work with it, it needs the sata port
[12:17] <Siamaster> It's working
[12:17] <Siamaster> it fits, and it's found
[12:17] <Siamaster> I don't understand why the cabinet would cause me to see only 1.4 TB
[12:18] <ducasse> that does not mean it's working *properly*
[12:18] <Siamaster> but why?
[12:18] <neure> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/330n
[12:18] <Siamaster> why is this not properly?
[12:18] <ducasse> are you trolling?
[12:18] <Siamaster> no. I don't get it honestly
[12:19] <Siamaster> why would a cabinet not work properly and instead show 1.4 tb
[12:19] <Siamaster> it's a setting on the hard drive
[12:19] <EriC^^> neure: sudo gdisk /dev/nvme0n1
[12:19] <neure> EriC^^, /dev/sda is my current drive with Windows and Ubuntu dual booting, nvme0n1 is the new (old) drive i would like to reuse
[12:19] <EriC^^> neure: then press "o" to create a fresh gpt partition table, and "w" to write to disk
[12:19] <ducasse> not the cabinet, the controller inside the cabinet. it might not be designed to handle disks that big.
[12:20] <tomreyn> neure: if you want to delete everything stored on this drive, just write a new partition table. you can use 'parted' (runs in a terminal, text based) or gnome-disk (gnome/gtk3 based graphical user interface) for it
[12:20] <Siamaster> ducasse it has worked good with 4 TB disks
[12:20] <neure> already did gdisk thing
[12:20] <Siamaster> so it should be able to show at least that
[12:20] <Siamaster> I think it's a setting on the hard drive
[12:20] <neure> how should I format the drive now?
[12:20] <Siamaster> since it's a "NAS hard drive"
[12:21] <tomreyn> neure: depends on what you want to use it for, i guess.
[12:21] <Siamaster> it's sounds like a really weird limitation too
[12:21] <EriC^^> neure: create partitions first, an easy tool is sudo cgdisk /dev/nvme0n1
[12:21] <Siamaster> if it can't work with disks this big, then it shouldn't work at all
[12:21] <ducasse> being a nas hard drive just means it's designed to run 24/7
[12:22] <ducasse> there are no settings to mess with
[12:22] <ducasse> look, can you or can you not connect it to a sata port to test?
[12:23] <Siamaster> no, I can't
[12:23] <EriC^^> neure: then run sudo partprobe to load the partition table again, and use sudo parted -ls to get the names and do "sudo mkfs.<filesystem> /dev/nvme0n1p1" for instance
[12:23] <EriC^^> you'll want to use mkfs.ntfs -Q for ntfs
[12:23] <ducasse> you don't have a sata cable?
[12:24] <Siamaster> no
[12:24] <Siamaster> and I honestly don't believe this is the problem
[12:25] <EriC^^> that's just your laziness
[12:25] <Siamaster> it's not. It doesn't make sense
[12:25] <tomreyn> Siamaster: i do. either the cabinet is the issue or you got ripped off about the disk you bought.
[12:26] <ducasse> ok, best of luck then.
[12:26] <EriC^^> stuff can half work, you know
[12:27] <ducasse> we can explain it to you, but we can't understand it for you
[12:27] <EriC^^> i can pour bad gas in my car, it'll still run though it detonates like crazy, it's not something so nonexistent
[12:27] <Siamaster> Ok then. You all seem so sure.
[12:28] <Siamaster> I'll try that, in some way
[12:28] <Siamaster> using sata
[12:28] <Siamaster> I'll let you know
[12:28] <ducasse> maybe there's a reason we are sure
[12:28] <Siamaster> that's what I'm thinking
[12:28] <Siamaster> but I still don't get it
[12:28] <Siamaster> it's weird
[12:28] <ducasse> you can ask the people in ##hardware too
[12:29] <Siamaster> ah ok, cool ty
[12:30] <tomreyn> be sure to provide the disk, cabinet and computer model / product number if you 'll have more questions about it
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:38] <Siamaster> okay you were right
[12:38] <Siamaster> and not being able to connect to sata was my laziness :P
[12:38] <Siamaster> ty for help
[12:42] <tomreyn> Siamaster: looks like you learnt 2 things in one go today. ;-)
[12:47] <lipe66> good morning from Brazil!
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> welcome lipe66 , how can we help you today?
[12:48] <lipe66> i have a Dell inspiron 7472 and a few minutes ago i tryied to login and and i got only a black screen
[12:49] <lipe66> after i googled i got a sugestion that i should remove nvidia drivers and reboot
[12:50] <lipe66> this did the trick and i am n my note book again. My question is: should i stick with nuveau drivers or a can use nvidia again?
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: whats your ubuntu version and your graphics card chipset & driver version?
[12:50] <tiggster79> lipe66: what happened prior to this? did you install nvidia drivers?
[12:52] <lipe66> i am on ubuntu 18.04 i7 8550U
[12:53] <lipe66> the graphics card is a hybrid with Intel UHD 620/Nvidia GeForce MX150
[12:54] <lipe66> This machine is a fresh install of 18.04 with all the updates and livepatch enabled
[12:54] <lipe66> the nvidia drivers where installed
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: from where
[12:55] <lipe66> from the updates&install package
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: ok, try and see if you can still enter your system with !nomodeset
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | lipe66
[12:56] <lipe66> ok thanks I will take a look
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: if you can, come back we will take a look for you
[12:56] <lipe66> thanks
[13:07] <lipe66> So I just reinstalled the nvidia drivers and rebooted to see if it happened again
[13:07] <lipe66> and is working normly.
[13:07] <lipe66> maybe something i did broke the login process somehow
[13:09] <lipe66> since i can set the profile of the main GPU, I will keep the intel GPU as the main one and activate nvidia when I need it
[13:09] <ioria> lipe66, glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer string"  what returns ?
[13:10] <lipe66> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce MX150/PCIe/SSE2
[13:10] <ioria> lipe66, ok
[13:11] <lipe66> lotuspsychje, ioria, thanks for the support
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: welcome
[13:12] <ioria> lipe66, i'd say or a gdm3 glitch or you logged in Xayland
[13:12] <ioria> *Waylan
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> ioria: we having a lot of loginloops lately
[13:13] <ioria> lotuspsychje, ha, didn't know that
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> ioria: but not sure how they relate
[13:14] <lipe66> maybe some obscure line in a program generating instability
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: was this clean install or lts upgrade?
[13:15] <lipe66> clean install, I had to many problems in upgrading
[13:15] <Siamaster> still can't get why the cabinate behaves this way
[13:15] <lipe66> in the past and in other oses
[13:15] <Siamaster> So I need to buy new cabinate for this if I want to use a cabinet
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: you recall wich driver version your system chosen?
[13:15] <Siamaster> cabinet*
[13:15] <lipe66> 390
[13:16] <lipe66> could it be related to suspession of the sistem?
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: earlier you mentioned to stick with nouveau, did you try nouveau too?
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: not sure yet what causes the login loops
[13:18] <lipe66> well yes and no. yes because after i puged nvidia the system booted in nuveau
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: thats normal procedure, but why did you purge nvidia?
[13:18] <lipe66> but no because i did not used for a long time
[13:19] <lipe66> I read in a forum that was how it solved the problem
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: so your clean install chosen 390 and you reinstalled the 390 after right?
[13:19] <lipe66> thinking bout is kind of a hard reset
[13:19] <lipe66> yes
[13:19] <tomreyn> Siamaster: looks for a firmware update for it. but this is really a ##hardware issue, has nothing to do with ubuntu
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: ok tnx for the feedback
[13:19] <lipe66> you are welcome
[13:23] <lipe66> I actually do not believe is the nvidia driver issue I believe is probably a mixed condition of softwares I installed and configurations that i made, that created a condition that made this happenend. removing the video driver is a work around.
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: the problem we had before is with an older version of 390, now its 390.77 and should be fixxed
[13:24] <lipe66> I see
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: alot of bugs like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1773113
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: hence why i was interested in wich driver version your system chosen
[13:25] <lipe66> that is why i will change the prime GPU to intel.
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Optimus?
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> lipe66: thats the users choice
[13:26] <lipe66> nvidia is allways problematic. that was my biggest doubt before buying this laptop. (I bought it with Ubuntu preinstalled from dell)
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> lets continue in #ubuntu-discuss lipe66
[13:34] <Siamaster> tomreyn I see, thanks
[13:46] <ericus> is there any way here for me to free up some space on /boot? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MmjqzXVpTv/
[13:47] <ericus> Why do I have 4.4.x-kernel when it's using 4.15.0-38?
[13:48] <EriC^> 4.15 is the hwe one
[13:48] <EriC^> ericus: type sudo apt-get autoremove --purge   it should remove a bunch of kernels and free some space
[13:48] <ericus> hwe?
[13:48] <EriC^> !hwe | ericus
[13:48] <ericus> EriC^ it doesnt :/
[13:49] <ericus> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 68 not upgraded
[13:51] <tomreyn> /boot doesn't seem to be the main issue, with 56 packages pending installation it's more likely that / or /usr have run full
[13:51] <tomreyn> *68 packages
[13:52] <ericus> boot is the main issue, tells me to clean up 52MB
[13:52] <tomreyn> okay, it's rather small indeed
[13:53] <EriC^> ericus: try sudo apt-get purge linux-image-4.4.0-{38,104}-generic linux-image-4.15.0-36-generic
[13:53] <ericus> yeah
[13:53] <EriC^> 105mb is free though, more than enough for any kernel installation
[13:54] <EriC^> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 xenial
[13:54] <ericus> "The upgrade needs a total of 157 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 52,4 M of disk space on '/boot'. "
[13:54] <EriC^> ericus: ok
[13:55] <ericus> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5s4Bdmky92/
[13:55] <tomreyn> there are updates poending for both the 4.4 and 4.15 kernel images, that's why so much space is needed.
[13:56] <EriC^> ericus: try "dpkg -l | grep linux-image"
[13:56] <ericus> do I need the 4.4?
[13:56] <EriC^> no
[13:57] <ericus> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/spvFFRYxJb/
[13:58] <EriC^> hmm the package seems to be missing yet the files are still there
[13:58] <EriC^> ericus: which ubuntu is this? 18.04?
[13:58] <tomreyn> it was uninstalled, not purged
[13:58] <EriC^> tomreyn: but the initrd and stuff is still there
[13:58] <EriC^> even without purging it should remove those stuff
[13:59] <EriC^> i think he had xenial before and updated to bionic, cause his linux-image-generic meta is 4.15 so no hwe being used
[13:59] <ericus> it's 18.04
[13:59] <EriC^> ericus: ok, manually remove the old kernel stuff
[13:59] <ericus> the 4.4?
[14:00] <EriC^> yeah, all the stuff with 4.4 in them in /boot do sudo rm <stuff here>
[14:00] <tomreyn> EriC^: you requested info on installed kernels, not liunux-modules\* - but i agree that autoremove --purge should have removed it
[14:00] <EriC^> also remove the 4.15-36 stuff since the package isnt installed either
[14:01] <EriC^> tomreyn: initrd is part of linux-modules now?
[14:01] <tomreyn> EriC^: oops, i may be mistaken there
[14:02] <EriC^> it's a good idea to get the linux-modules though
[14:02] <EriC^> ericus: could you also run "dpkg -l | grep linux-modules" and paste the results please?
[14:03] <tomreyn> my guess is that some packages are marked as manually installed when they should be marked as automatically installed.
[14:04] <ericus> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CdzFRFgFmv/
[14:04] <ericus> "The upgrade needs a total of 157 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 14,8 M of disk space on '/boot'."
[14:04] <ericus> a little closer
[14:05] <EriC^> ericus: ok, run sudo apt-get purge linux-modules-4.15.0-36-generic
[14:05] <EriC^> i feel like it's not going to reach that space
[14:06] <ericus> maybe if it didnt download the 4.4?
[14:06] <EriC^> boot is 250mb and the rest are 80 and 70 so that's 150 you're left with 100 free
[14:07] <EriC^> what is it trying to download right now?
[14:07] <EriC^> oh wait my bad the kernel is only 8mb not 80
[14:07] <ericus> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RjGgRn46Jt/
[14:08] <ericus> that
[14:08] <EriC^> it looks right
[14:08] <EriC^> ericus: what does "ls -lh /boot" give after rm'ing the 4.4 packages and linux-modules package given above
[14:09] <EriC^> *4.4 files
[14:09] <ericus> I think it's working now, from the terminal. Tried the software updater earlier
[14:09] <ericus> yay
[14:10] <ericus> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7ydN4QXSB6/
[14:10] <ericus> guess it worked?
[14:10] <EriC^> yeah it looks good
[14:10] <ericus> thank you so much for the help EriC^!
[14:11] <tomreyn> ericus: you may want to resize /boot sooner or later to get rid of this issue which may otherwise re-occur
[14:12] <ericus> not sure if I'm able to, LVM with luks encryption
[14:12] <ericus> full disk
[14:12] <EriC^> ericus: np, you're welcome
[14:15] <tomreyn> ericus: then maybe you'd beter want to move /boot intot he LVM
[14:17] <EriC^> ericus: it's easy to move it into the encryption, you just need to add a grub variable in /etc/default/grub and update-grub afterwards
[14:17] <coconut> Any chance for amdgpu drivers to get supported for coming version of ubuntu?
[14:17] <EriC^> GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y
[14:18] <EriC^> and obviously remove /boot from fstab after copying the stuff to the rootfs's /boot
[14:19] <EriC^> tomreyn: have you tried this with uefi? i kinda only tried this with legacy install once for kicks
[14:19] <ikonia> coconut: what do you mean "get support" ?
[14:20] <coconut> ikonia: like to get support here the same way we have now with nvidia
[14:20] <tomreyn> EriC^: i did it just yesterday. key is to not use the (secureboot) *signed* grub package
[14:20] <ikonia> coconut: what do you mean by get support ?
[14:20] <ikonia> coconut: what support is missing ?
[14:20] <EriC^> tomreyn: aha interesting, ericus ^
[14:20] <EriC^> thanks!
[14:20] <ikonia> tomreyn: that sounds like something that would be hugely important to document somewhere
[14:20] <tomreyn> ikonia: there are bug reports :)
[14:21] <ikonia> tomreyn: close enough I guess
[14:21] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1565950
[14:21] <coconut> ikonia: by support i mean installing the driver and get it to run well
[14:22] <ikonia> coconut: that doesn't make sense
[14:22] <OerHeks> coconut, for what AMD card?
[14:23] <coconut> ikonia: why? we all need our graphics to work well, right?
[14:24] <ikonia> coconut: we do
[14:24] <ericus> I'll have a look at it EriC^ tomreyn :)
[14:24] <ikonia> coconut: but you're saying it's not supported and doesn't work well, which it does for cards that it's designed for
[14:24] <ikonia> coconut: and you understand ubuntu doesn't actually "make" the amdgpu modules ?
[14:24] <coconut> OerHeks: radeon pro WX 4150 or 7100
[14:25] <tomreyn> that's probably not an amdgpu supported chipset
[14:25] <ikonia> don't see it in the list
[14:26] <tomreyn> oh actually it's a new one
[14:26] <ikonia> maybe why it's not on the list yet
[14:27] <ikonia> (although I thought it was old looking at the name)
[14:27] <coconut> ikonia: nope, i am just trying to figure out whether it is right to buy amd graphics already. And seeing i do not see support request for amd cards to come by here on irc, i choose to ask about it.
[14:27] <tomreyn> well it's from 2017, but i assuemd it would be older just by its name
[14:27] <ikonia> coconut: amdgpu is supported
[14:27] <coconut> :)
[14:27] <tomreyn> Polaris 11
[14:27] <ikonia> tomreyn: I also made that assumption, which I couldn't see on the list too
[14:29] <coconut> tomreyn:probably new yes ( https://www.dell.com/nl-nl/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/precision-17-7730-laptop/xctop7730emea )
[14:30] <coconut> oops, that was the dutch one
[14:30] <coconut> ( https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/precision-17-7730-laptop/spd/precision-17-7730-laptop?redirect=1 )
[14:37] <tomreyn> coconut: so, generally amd graphics do, of course, work fine. not all chipsets may be supported by the amdgpu driver which is in ubuntu 18.04 with its 4.15 kernel out of the box.
[14:37] <coconut> ikonia: yes i know it's amd creating the amdgpu and amdgpupro drivers, with some non-categorized work after that
[14:38] <deadrom> hi
[14:38] <ikonia> coconut: what ?
[14:39] <tomreyn> coconut: whether this specific (budget) chipset works well out of the box is hard to tell, it does not seem to be sold a lot and there are not a lot of reports that i can find.
[14:39] <deadrom> 18.04: [laptop|display|display], nv prime on nvidia profile, all was fine until yesterday, now laptop screen is gone (black with a console cursor at the top left, nothing else)
[14:40] <deadrom> xrandr only lists the 2 external displays, so does display settings and nvidia-settings. Logo shows on laptop during boot, so in general the laptop screen works.
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: see if you can still anter your system with !nomodeset please
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | deadrom
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> *enter
[14:43]  * deadrom reads
[14:44] <coconut> tomreyn:thx for researching!
[14:45] <deadrom> on a sidenote, how do I disable the splash screen? I like to see the kernel messages fly by
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: edit your grub with "quiet splash" to ""
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: or press F1 at boot splash
[14:46] <tomreyn> coconut: you're welcome. if you buy this hardware, be sure to buy it so that you'll be able to return it in case you need it working out of the boix (and are not into building your own kernels, X, mesa stack, and not into experimenting with other peoples' builds)
[14:47] <tomreyn> coconut: it may work from day one, i just can't tell for sure
[14:47] <deadrom> lotuspsychje: thanks.. reboot
[14:49] <coconut> great tomreyn :D
[14:50] <w0rp> Does anyone have any experience with fixing a GRUB configuration file so you can dual boot with Windows and Ubuntu, where the Ubuntu disk is encrypted, and you don't have to enter the password for the Ubuntu disk if you just want to boot into Windows?
[14:50] <w0rp> I've got a configuration file with `cryptomount` early in it, and I'm wondering if I can replace that with something that prompts for the password only after the Ubuntu menu item is selected.
[14:52] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, well, it's *different* now: both my external displays are gone now...
[14:53] <deadrom> xrandr does not list them anymore at all
[14:54] <deadrom> how prone are laptops to dead bios batteries? T530 Thinkpad, I think some 6 years old
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: ca you enter your system now?
[14:56] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, I am in the booted system but only have the laptop screen
[14:57] <deadrom> IRC on x2go so I can stick around of sorts and reboot
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: lets have a look wich drivers available on your system: ubuntu-drivers list
[14:58] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, nvidia-driver-390 and nvidia-340
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: allrighty, install the 390 please
[14:58] <deadrom> 390 is installed and has been workign ok for about 2 weeks since fresh install of 18.04
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: yes, lets try if a reinstall fixes
[15:00] <deadrom> ok... hang on
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: also make sure nomodeset is disabled after the install & reboot
[15:01] <deadrom> how do I force reinstall with apt?
[15:02] <deadrom> i'll use apt-get
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: wich driver is currently in use? sudo lshw -C video ? at bottom driver=
[15:02] <BluesKaj> sudo apt install --reinstall package
[15:02] <deadrom> ah
[15:04] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fpsK2ZbjZN/
[15:04] <deadrom> if I reasd this right, NV is in charge
[15:04] <deadrom> *read
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: correct, try what BluesKaj adviced
[15:05] <deadrom> that went through in about 5 seconds. I would have expected dkms to build a new module and all of that
[15:06] <deadrom> "nvidia... is being configured" and that's it. that sound right to you?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: lets try & reboot :p
[15:06] <deadrom> yeh
[15:14] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, nah, same. I'll shutdown and hose the dockigng stationdown with contact cleaner. I suspect it might be upset.
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: system up to date also?
[15:16] <za1b1tsu> So I am on Ubuntu and using virtualbox, and this is what I am seeing https://imgur.com/KuBLSL0
[15:16] <za1b1tsu> after the disk boots up in the virtual machine
[15:16] <za1b1tsu> anyone have any ideas?
[15:21] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, yes. virtualbox repos shenanigans wih i386 arch but apt seems to simply ignore it. COULD be tho a broken package there prevents proper dkms execution. ill check that.
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: another idea could be installing a more later driver from the ubuntu graphics ppa(as a test)
[15:23] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, 5400m  / gf 108, fairly old. ill see what driver supports it
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: if your system suggests 390.77 you could try the 390.87 from the ppa
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: did you try other iso's on virtualbox?
[15:38] <za1b1tsu> lotuspsychje, all the isos behave the same
[15:39] <OerHeks> check the VM settings, GPU memory and such
[16:03] <coderman1> a customer is reporting to me that he cant access my website from one of his servers. is there a way for me to tell from my server if his IP is able to access it?
[16:03] <coderman1> like some kind of reverse ping or something
[16:04] <ikonia> you'll see it in the access log if he can access it
[16:07] <coderman1> yea im just wondering if i can run something on my server that tests his connectivity to mine
[16:08] <OerHeks> fail2ban installed?
[16:09] <ikonia> c3r34l_milk: no
[16:09] <ikonia> oops
[16:09] <ikonia> coderman1: no,
[16:09] <ikonia> coderman1: you can't debug his ISP
[16:09] <ikonia> coderman1: it could be any reason at his end
[16:09] <ikonia> coderman1: if your site is on "the internet" there is nothing more you can do
[16:11] <Mughal56> coderman: umm, is the customer's remote IP address pingable?
[16:12] <Mughal56> coderman: or at least something on his/her public network segment?  Maybe not the firewall but perhaps his/her router?
[16:12] <ikonia> that means nothing
[16:12] <ikonia> pinging something across the internet offers little value
[16:12] <ikonia> icmp echo is very different than http on a specific port outgoing
[16:12] <ikonia> coderman1: you need to focus on the error he gets
[16:12] <ikonia> rather than connectivity
[16:15] <eeos> What the heck is the "Software" application in *ubuntu?!
[16:16] <ikonia> a front end to the software repos
[16:18] <eeos> ikonia: it proposes plenty of proprietary stuff .... that I cannot see using the apt CLI ....
[16:18] <eeos> ikonia: why?
[16:18] <ikonia> it shows you the same as the apt interface
[16:18] <OerHeks> install synaptic, much more detailed softwarecenter
[16:19] <eeos> ikonia: no. It is showing me stuff like "Polarr Photo Editor", which is proprietary, and which I cannot see in apt.
[16:19] <eeos> OerHeks: I use command line.
[16:20] <ikonia> eeos: it's there
[16:20] <eeos> ikonia: what do you mean? I cannot see it using apt ....
[16:20] <tomreyn> coderman1: you could do a traceroute to the customer, but this doesn't really proove much, since (a) their (inbound) route may differ and (b) issues may only occur in one direction and (c) it could just as well be any other non routing related issue, such as their caching resolver, or a an issue with your website.
[16:20] <OerHeks> polar.. it is a snap
[16:21] <hatsat32> e
[16:21] <eeos> ikonia: and I do not want to see it at all! I want to exclude proprietary stuff ....
[16:21] <OerHeks> softwarecenter shows snaps too, these days https://snapcraft.io/polarr
[16:21] <eeos> OerHeks: oh, I see!
[16:21] <tomreyn> coderman1: so indeed, first of all you want to get a better description of the issue than "doesn't work"
[16:22] <eeos> OerHeks: you are right! That is why it does not show in apt .... it shows in snap.
[16:22] <eeos> OerHeks: how do I remove it? this Software center?
[16:22] <OerHeks> eeos, remove the gnome-software-plugin-snap plugin, and restart softwarecenter.. but carefull, you might have snaps installed already, like calculator
[16:23] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/982112/how-can-i-disable-snaps-in-gnome-software-centre/984250#984250
[16:23] <eeos> OerHeks: I do not want to disable snap, I am using snap form the command line. I need to disable the graphical user interface that pulls everything together and annoys me.
[16:24] <eeos> OerHeks: Sorry, not disable, but uninstall.
[16:24] <ikonia> how about 'just don't open the app"
[16:25] <ikonia> and if you are used to using apt on the command line, if it bothers you that much, use apt to remove it
[16:25] <ikonia> but really - just don't open the app
[16:27] <eeos> ikonia: not really .... I have a zero tolerance policy on pacage tat are not used and can install stuff on the system by mistake. it is a huge security issue.
[16:27] <OerHeks> !info ubuntu-software
[16:27] <OerHeks> oh, wrong one
[16:27] <OerHeks> gnome-software ?
[16:28] <eeos> OerHeks: : thank you!
[16:29] <eeos> OerHeks: it just proposed two bios updates that I cannot track in history but look rather official from the manufacturer website.
[16:30] <OpenSorce> I know how to find and configure the cli scripting method, is there a GUI method for setting a system to automatically switch the primary sound output to a USB audio device when it's inserted?
[16:31] <tmroland> why so many cryptic mount points shown by mount command? what do they mean, it confuses the hell out of me
[16:31] <TJ-> ls /etc/modprobe.d/
[16:31] <TJ-> ooops :D
[16:32] <OerHeks> eeos, maybe fwupdate manager? https://itsfoss.com/update-firmware-ubuntu/
[16:33] <TJ-> tmroland: most of them will be Control Groups managed by systemd I suspect
[16:33] <eeos> OerHeks: oh thanks a lot!!!! I have just rmeoved the gnome-software and all the accolites ....
[16:34] <tmroland> hell of a headache while trying to learn linux
[16:34] <tmroland> its a big letdown to see that amount of unnecessary complexity
[16:34] <eeos> OerHeks: thanks for everything! I did a thorough cleaning .... :-)
[16:34] <tmroland> any distro that doesnt use that?
[16:34] <tmroland> and only has 2 3 mountpoints?
[16:34] <tomreyn> tmroland: the loop mounts are snaps, you can just ignore / filter them
[16:35] <TJ-> tmroland: cgroups are integral to providing isolation for security
[16:35] <tomreyn> and those tmpfs provide useful features which also some software relies on
[16:59] <lagagnon> Installed 18.04 on old Macbook Pro 2,1. All fine except screen blanking.
[17:00] <lagagnon> Any command including xset does blank the screen, backlight turns off, but backlight never turns back on. Reboot required.
[17:01] <tomreyn> get different hardware.
[17:03] <OerHeks> 32 bit uefi Macbook Pro 2,1 ?
[17:03] <EriC^^> lagagnon: did you try acpi stuff?
[17:03] <lagagnon> No 64, install was fine, all other systems work
[17:04] <lagagnon> EriC^^: what "acpi stuff"?
[17:04] <eeos> I have installed krita from flatpak and I cannot run it .... is this normal? It does not start and does not give me any signal ....
[17:04] <EriC^^> acpi_osi parameters in the grub line lagagnon
[17:04] <OerHeks> why flatpack as snaps are standard
[17:04] <lagagnon> EriC^^: ok, will check that out. Thanks.
[17:05] <tomreyn> lagagnon: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[17:05] <tomreyn> i dont know whether this works with macs, though
[17:08] <eeos> OerHeks: yes .... that is why i find it strange ....
[17:08] <lagagnon> ...strange that "systemctl suspend" works just fine with backlight turning off/on but any DPMS blank kills the backlight...
[17:08] <eeos> OerHeks: flatpak run org.kde.krita
[17:08] <eeos> OerHeks: gives me error: runtime/org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.11 not installed
[17:09] <OerHeks> i have no clue about flatpack
[17:12] <OerHeks> oh i probably never will, it is flatpak
[17:12] <OerHeks> !info gnome-software-plugin-flatpak
[17:14] <ioria> afaik , that plugin is quite broken ; it doesn't install required extensions
[17:17] <Pronoe> Hi all, I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 and I need an older version of a package that doesn't seem to be available now but was available on xenial (https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libsdl2-dev). How can I add this repo to my linux?
[17:20] <OerHeks> If i look at the dependencies, i think it is a bad idea https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/libsdl2-dev , compile it from source?
[17:22] <Pronoe> I'll check if that's an option. What would be the issue with the dependencies?
[17:22] <Pronoe> If it's only another few repo to add to satisfy the dependencies I don't mind.
[17:23] <OerHeks> why do you need an older version?
[17:26] <Pronoe> Because I'm trying to use MAME but since a couple day ago it's constantly crashing with random error messages and I can't figure out why. The installation guide advise to use SDL 2.0.4 or 2.0.3 and I have 2.0.8 This is probably not the root cause but I want to rule out every possibility
[17:40] <EriC^^> Pronoe: what error messages
[17:40] <kumul> don't use MAME
[17:40] <tmroland> is it possible to learn linux and unix enough in 1-2 years by daily learning and experiment on my own computer and maybe do a few qulifications and courses and have good chances at finding a linux job?
[17:40] <kumul> even if you get it working, is it gonna matter?
[17:41] <tmroland> i mean learning wise, is that time frame sufficient
[17:41] <tmroland> if i wanna succeed in being paid for a job
[17:41] <AsFelix> tmroland, of course that's possible.
[17:41] <Pronoe> EriC^^: I got a bunch of different ones, give me a sec.
[17:41] <sigurdux> tmroland: I've been using linux for about 20 years. Still havn't seen any linux jobs :-D
[17:42] <AsFelix> sigurdux, wtf?!
[17:42] <kumul> tmroland, if you want to learn linux, don't use ubuntu
[17:42] <OerHeks> ...
[17:42] <tmroland> theres plenty IT jobs all over and since im ht eUK finding one wil be easy, but what i wonder is if i already have the basic foundations of unix/linux and just focus on learning more advanced skills 1-2 years will be enough to get a good enough experience to succeeed profesionally
[17:43] <hggdh> kumul: ...
[17:43] <OerHeks> jobs and work have nothing to do with ubuntu support
[17:43] <tmroland> for example i used to set up networks and linux servers
[17:43] <sigurdux> Some things are just a hobby. Wouldn't leave my job at the mill and firedepartment for any money.
[17:43] <AsFelix> I have been using Linux for about 11 years now and in several companies this has been my job
[17:43] <OerHeks> join #ubuntu-discuss or -offtopic for that, thanks
[17:44] <kumul> hggdh, My point is, if you want to learn linux, go use slackware or something that doesn't hold your hand.
[17:44] <tmroland> arch
[17:44] <tmroland> or debian
[17:44] <tmroland> or rhel/centos
[17:44] <OerHeks> kumul, tmroland stop trolling, not welcome here
[17:44] <hggdh> ok, this is good enough. Please move to another channel. #ubuntu is for Ubuntu support *only*
[17:45] <Pronoe> EriC^^: "mame64: malloc.c:4023: _int_malloc: Assertion '(unsigned long) (size) >= (unsigned long) (nb)' failed.", "Corrupted double-linked list (not small); Aborted (core dumped)", "free(): invalid pointer; Aborted (core dumped)"
[17:45] <Pronoe> And a bunch of other ones like those.
[17:45] <Pronoe> It's pretty random ...
[17:45] <OerHeks> Pronoe, maybe build mame from source ? i would not downgrade sdl2
[17:46] <Pronoe> And I'm not changing anything to the way I'm starting the program.
[17:46] <Pronoe> OerHeks: This is what I've done already.
[17:46] <snowgoggles> i just moved from xenial to bionic, i'm having resume from sleep issues randomly. i installed tlp tlp-rdw from the official bionic repo not the linrunner ppa.  Does anyone know if there is known issues with the bionic repo version?
[17:46] <Pronoe> I'm trying to find a way to clean what has been compiled already and start over. But I'm afraid some nasty lib will stay somewhere and keep messing things up.
[17:46] <kumul> Pronoe, the way I think mame works is, that if the current version of MAME fails on whatever you're trying to do, its because you don't have the latest version of the ROM
[17:48] <Pronoe> kumul, the compiled from source is version 0.205 and the one installable from apt-get is 0.202 which use to work perfectly fine. Now none of them work.
[17:54] <kumul> Pronoe, did you ask in #MAME ?
[17:58] <Pronoe> kumul: Yes I believe I speak with one of the dev/contributor who also suggested I build from source. So now I'm trying to do that properly and not leave any crap behind.
[17:59] <Luix> hi there, I'm trying to troubleshoot some hibernation issues. pm-hibernate shuts down the computer but it doesn`t hibernate. systemctl hibernate the same thing. I'm using Mate 18.04 on an HP Pavilion dm4 notebook
[17:59] <Luix> . things I tried: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/hibernate-resume-from-hibernation-ubuntu-mate-18-04/16924
[18:02] <snowgoggles> Luix: you have a swap partition larger than your RAM?
[18:03] <Luix> no, snowgoggles. it's 2GB on a 4GB ram pc
[18:03] <snowgoggles> Luix: there ya go
[18:04] <snowgoggles> Luix: hibernate saves full RAM size to swap partition
[18:05] <snowgoggles> Luix: that link you posted barely mentions the swap partition
[18:05] <Luix> that was I initially thought but I don't know where I read that that wasn't the case anymore. Most probably wrong, I suppose.
[18:05] <Luix> "the case" = swap equalling RAM.
[18:06] <snowgoggles> Luix: the new case is ubu 18 doesn't create a swap partition from my understanding
[18:07] <Luix> snowgoggles, will resizing the swap now work?
[18:07] <snowgoggles> Luix:  i would increase the size of the swap partition to be larger than 4GB for hibernate to be successful.
[18:08] <snowgoggles> Luix: depends on your drive partition layout. you'll have to resize partitions if only one phys drive installed
[18:10] <Luix> snowgoggles, I'll have to check. Luckily I usually leave some unallocated space between partitions.
[18:11] <snowgoggles> Luix: if you only have ext4 parts gparted is pretty good at resizing as long as your parts have free disk space
[18:13] <Luix> snowgoggles, wait, I got confused with other laptop I was working with. I checked with Gparted and linux-swap is 4.19 GB
[18:15] <Luix> snowgoggles, following the instructions on the link above, I ran a grub update after editing  /etc/default/grub
[18:17] <snowgoggles> Luix: yeah you updated grub. is that a concern?
[18:19] <Luix> snowgoggles, no, just adding more info. On both hibernate commands, computer shuts down but when logging back in it is a fresh startup
[18:20] <snowgoggles> Luix: he has notes at bottom saying the instructions did not work on his laptops only desktops
[18:20] <Luix> snowgoggles, I see. Any other ideas on how to solve this issue?
[18:21] <snowgoggles> Luix: you update grub to point to the swap partition to boot the resume state.
[18:23] <snowgoggles> Luix: honestly hibernate is a hit or miss.  i would keep googling for a solution, most ppl just live with suspend to ram unfortunately, thus hibernation support is not great
[18:25] <Luix> snowgoggles, sadly, for some reason suspend doesn't work for this laptop (even booting on the win7 partition). It suspends but power button doesn't wake it up.
[18:26] <snowgoggles> Luix: doesn't sleep in win? the laptop was designed for win? that's odd. i would check bios setting for power management
[18:28] <Luix> snowgoggles, yes it originally came with win7 installed. tried updating bios firmware but no luck.
[18:28] <snowgoggles> Luix: tried flashing bios with no luck is a troubling statement
[18:29] <Luix> snowgoggles, sorry. I meant that it didn't solve the sleep one issue.
[18:30] <snowgoggles> Luix: if win power management doesn't work, your digging yourself into a deeper hole to get out of trying to get it wporking in linux. just my perspective.
[18:30] <snowgoggles> *working
[18:32] <Luix> snowgoggles, yeah, you confirmed my fears
[18:36] <Keo-w> anyway to get a hostname to resolve elsewhere instead of the DNS lookup result ? i put it in my /etc/hosts file but it only resolves for ping correctly not host lookup
[18:37] <CarlFK> is there a way to view the files in ~/.cache/chromium/Profile1/Cache/ ?  (as rendered html, not the blob of bytes cat/less/etc show me)
[18:37] <CarlFK> Keo-w: it isn't just ping ;)  (but I kinda know what you mean)
[18:38] <Keo-w> =\
[18:38] <CarlFK> Keo-w: /etc/hosts is the right place to set it.  what you want is a tool like host that will respect /etc/hosts
[18:39] <CarlFK> I bump into this too. and haven't figured out what to do about it.  haven't tired too hard either, so maybe it exists.
[18:40] <snowgoggles> Luix: i would say it's still possible. You'll have root cause the issue. I would test power management with the original win install, but every OEM has a specific method when it comes to it's hardware
[18:43] <Keo-w> damn 3rd party app doesn't awnt to listen to me:)
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: As far as I know, there isn't any means to render that. A lot of what is in there is probably images/pictures
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> Keo-w: Do you restart the application when you make changes to /etc/hosts?
[18:52] <CarlFK> pragmaticenigma: the app is host. it does the lookup and exits.
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK, Keo-w : It might be that the local cache is still live with the original entry. Though you make changes in /etc/hosts, ubuntu uses dns caching to speed up domain resolves on the local machine. If you wait a few minutes, it may start to resolve as desired
[18:56] <fengshaun> how do I make an fstab entry mountable by user?
[18:56] <fengshaun> it's an nfs tab
[18:57] <fengshaun> ultimately I'm trying to have kde automount the nfs directories
[18:57] <fengshaun> but it's complaining that it needs root
[18:57] <Luix> thanks snowgoggles
[18:57] <CarlFK> pragmaticenigma: "host is a simple utility for performing DNS lookups."
[18:59] <CarlFK> pragmaticenigma: dns-masq can be told to read /etc/hosts, but what ubuntu installs does not.
[18:59] <CarlFK> is there a way to tell chrome not to refresh pages it loads from history?
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: There is not, the remote server controls that
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: Sorry that was over simplified. Any webbrowser requests a HEAD from the remote server. If the server replies with a time stamp matching the original visit to the site, the local cache is used. Else, new content is fetched from the server
[19:02] <CarlFK> firefox has a "offline mode" that doesn't do any network traffic.  I was hoping for soething like that
[19:02] <CarlFK> I can just kill my network connection, but then I lose all my other stuff.  (not too tragic, just annoying)
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: Try this: https://www.maketecheasier.com/offline-mode-google-chrome/
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> Keo-w, CarlFK : far as network testing, specifically host lookups... Why not use the "dig" program instead. With nothing more than the domain provided, it will tell you where it pulled the information from.
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> that would help determine more informationm
[19:05] <CarlFK> dig doesn't use /etc/hosts either
[19:05] <CarlFK> that chrome thing looks perfect
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: I just tested the theory with Dig, it pulled my /etc/hosts just fine
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> not directly, but it found it
[19:21] <theblindghoulie> Is there a way to remove the Show All applications icon in the dock ?
[19:25] <ioria> theblindghoulie, gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-apps-at-top  true
[19:26] <theblindghoulie> Ok! Thanks! I saw that shell-ext earlier, but it said it was unstable so I was unsure
[19:26] <ioria> theblindghoulie, yeah, probably resetted at reboot
[19:27] <ioria> theblindghoulie, log out /in and test
[19:27] <theblindghoulie> OK thanks! I installed the classic-indicator for my Apps menu. I dont care for the modern app menu. Which is why I wanted to remove the icon from the dock
[19:28] <ioria> ok
[19:33] <fleabeard> hello, can anyone tell me which way to properly setup a cron job? I'm trying to have a cron job shutdown my computer @ midnight every night, but I'm having no luck doing it via crontab -e, nor by editing the /etc/crontab file directly.
[19:33] <fleabeard> I'm using 0 0    * * *   root    shutdown -h now >/dev/null 2>&1 in crontab right now
[19:34] <fleabeard> I'm close to making incoherent monkey noises out of frustration :(
[19:34] <CarlFK> fleabeard: shutdown needs /path/to/shutdown
[19:35] <CarlFK> which shutdown says  /sbin/shutdown
[19:35] <CarlFK> fleabeard: cron doesn't do bashrc/profile things, so there is no PATH setup.
[19:35] <fleabeard> CarlFK, ahhhh, so 0 0 *** root /sbin/shutdown -h now >/dev/null 2>&1 should do the trick?
[19:36] <CarlFK> fleabeard: assuming the rest is ok
[19:36] <fleabeard> CarlFK, should I be editing the file directly, or using crontab -e?
[19:37] <CarlFK> fleabeard: um.. not sure - I always use -e. never gave it much thought.
[19:37] <fleabeard> CarlFK, thank you very much! I'll give this a shot now.
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> fleabeard: I would also recommend crontab -e ... it handles triggering cron to re-read the settings files so updates are incorperated properly
[19:53] <fleabeard> pragmaticenigma, thanks, I've tried both ways just now and it doesn't seem to be working :/
[19:53] <fleabeard> I'm so confused lol
[19:54] <fleabeard> doing a sudo cat /var/log/syslog | grep cron shows no errors
[19:55] <pragmaticenigma> fleabeard: are you running crontab -e under your account or as "sudo"
[19:55] <ioria> fleabeard, are you usnging   'sudo crontab -e'  ? not just crontab -b
[19:57] <fleabeard> that may be it, I'm not running it as sudo, probably the issue. Let me give that a try.
[19:57] <ioria> fleabeard,   'sudo crontab -e'
[20:03] <fleabeard> welp, I put it under sudo crontab -e, but it doesn't seem to work still. I'm using 02 15   * * *   root   /sbin/shutdown -h now
[20:03] <fleabeard> and the time has passed for me and it's still on :(
[20:03] <fleabeard> what blows my mind is how there are so many different ways of doing this from what I can find on google & youtube, yet none of them at all work, lol
[20:06] <EriC^^> fleabeard: remove the root from there, in sudo crontab no need for any username unlike /etc/crontab.d/* stuff
[20:06] <fleabeard> EriC^^, k, I put this in now 07 15   * * *   /sbin/shutdown -h now
[20:07] <fleabeard> we'll see in a min if it works :)
[20:07]  * fleabeard crosses fingers
[20:07] <EriC^^> it's already 07 here..
[20:07] <fleabeard> same, let me try a couple minutes ahead
[20:09] <fleabeard> no dice, it just refuses to work for me lol
[20:10] <EriC^^> fleabeard: grep CRON /var/log/syslog    did it run?
[20:11] <fleabeard> EriC^^, I don't see any errors
[20:11] <EriC^^> it's there though?
[20:11] <fleabeard> just a bunch of reload/begin edit/replace/end edit/list stuff
[20:11] <fleabeard> yeah
[20:11] <EriC^^> is there one at the min you put it to run?
[20:11] <EriC^^> root CMD( /sbin....)
[20:12] <fleabeard> nope
[20:12] <EriC^^> then it's not running the command
[20:12] <EriC^^> fleabeard: try "sudo crontab -l" is it there?
[20:12] <fleabeard> yep
[20:14] <EriC^^> try systemctl status cron
[20:15] <fleabeard> EriC^^, here's the output I got from that https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xjsTQchDfz/
[20:18] <EriC^^> odd, seems to be running
[20:19] <ioria> well, it's not the output i got from systemctl status cron
[20:19] <EriC^^> did you type grep CRON with capital letters?
[20:19] <IhrFussel> If I have a process with multiple threads ... does the OS (in this case Ubuntu) decide which cores to use for the threads or does the software dictate that?
[20:21] <fleabeard> Unit CRON.service could not be found.
[20:21] <fleabeard> with capitals
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> IhrFussel: The OS primarily the kernel) would be in charge of distributing the workload amoung the available cores of the CPU
[20:26] <ioria> fleabeard, can you please paste again  sudo systemctl status cron
[20:27] <fleabeard> ioria, here yah go https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xsCCKXn5mv/
[20:28] <jhutchins> fleabeard: The unit file will be lower case, the status will return upper case.
[20:29] <fleabeard> ah that's cool to know
[20:29] <ioria> fleabeard, seems stuck in reload
[20:30] <TJ-> fleabeard: why not use a systemd timer to do it?
[20:30] <TJ-> fleabeard: as in http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/systemd/
[20:30] <ioria> fleabeard, i think you edited /etc/crontab directly ?
[20:30] <fleabeard> TJ-, I'm not very linux savvy and was hoping the built-in crontab would do the trick without too much fuss :/
[20:30] <fleabeard> ioria, I did at one point, then found out about crontab -e
[20:31] <fleabeard> have been using crontab -e ever since
[20:31] <jhutchins> fleabeard: systemd has it's own scheduler: https://coreos.com/os/docs/latest/scheduling-tasks-with-systemd-timers.html
[20:31] <ioria> fleabeard, comment the additional command in there
[20:32] <fleabeard> ioria, here's the contents of my /etc/crontab https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/6t2mWsQ6dj/
[20:32] <fleabeard> ioria, since I'm using crontab -e, should I just remove that bit that I added awhile back?
[20:32] <ioria> fleabeard, comment (remove) 47 14   * * *   root    sbin/shutdown -h now >/dev/null 2>&1
[20:33] <fleabeard> will od
[20:33] <fleabeard> okay, I removed it entirely
[20:34] <ioria> fleabeard, sudo crontab -e   and     add    13 15 * * * /sbin/shutdown -h "now"   (change min and hour)
[20:35] <hejux> why the  do i need a ppa to install some software?
[20:35] <ioria> you don't ...unless
[20:35] <hejux> and how do i know which software is in what PPA?
[20:35] <fleabeard> ioria, done
[20:36] <hejux> like for e.g. i was trying to install mpv and ffmpeg. apt search returns nothing
[20:36] <fleabeard> hejux, I believe ppa's are used for more 'up to date' software that isn't available in the default package manager in ubuntu
[20:36] <hejux> then i have to google like  how to install mpv on ubuntu ...
[20:36] <ioria> fleabeard,  let's wait
[20:36] <hejux> just don't get it.
[20:36] <jule> Hi, I am trying to install pulseaudio package from scratch with apt but unfortunately default configuration files are not added to `/etc/pulse/` (like `default.pa`).
[20:37] <ioria> fleabeard,  what version of ubuntu ?
[20:37] <fleabeard> ioria, I did this for the time 36 15 and it's now 37 15 and it didn't trigger
[20:37] <fleabeard> ioria, latest 18.04 LTS
[20:37] <hejux> the problem is, how do i know what PPA has which software?
[20:37] <jule> Is that normal behavior?
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> fleabeard: that's a little too generalized for the definition of a ppa
[20:37] <fleabeard> pragmaticenigma, yeah, I'm basic :P
[20:37] <ioria> fleabeard,  i can confirm that the cmd above works (testedon 18.04)
[20:38] <pragmaticenigma> hejux: To simplify, this channel doesn't support the usage of PPAs. If you were to seek help here, amoung the first things you will be asked is to remove any PPAs to ensure we're working with a known system state
[20:38] <fleabeard> ioria, are you EST?
[20:38] <pragmaticenigma> hejux: In the most specific of circumstances should you enable a PPA, and only with the understanding that doing so may cause you machine to have unexpected behavior
[20:38] <hejux> pragmaticenigma: ok, but how can i install my favorite "mpv" player?
[20:38] <TJ-> jule: was pulseaudio previously installed and removed?
[20:39] <ioria> fleabeard,  set like that, yes ... i think you have a problem with the cron service
[20:39] <jhutchins> hejux: Usually you'll find a PPA associated with the specific project it's for.  PPAs are not managed at all by Ubuntu.  They may have newer packages, or packages compiled with different options.
[20:39] <TJ-> !info mpv | hejux
[20:39] <jule> TJ: yes...
[20:39] <fleabeard> ioria, let me restart the box and see if that clears things up, I'll put a new time in and see if it corrects itself
[20:39] <jule> TJ-: yes...
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> hejux: You ask here, giving out the name of the application and ask for help in getting it installed. If its only option is through a PPA, then you will need to seek out the developer community for that software or choose one that is close enough in features for what you are looking for
[20:40] <jhutchins> hejux: Some have packages with incompatible licenses that can't be distributed by Ubuntu.
[20:40] <ioria> fleabeard,  sounds good
[20:40] <jhutchins> hejux: You also don't know how well they've been tested or packaged, or whether you can trust them not to have malware.
[20:40] <TJ-> jule: if you previously changed/removed the /etc/pulse/* files that is remembered (unless you use "apt purge") and those files are not replaced
[20:40] <jhutchins> hejux: You pretty much have to go by how well known the packager is and what kind of reputation they have.
[20:41] <jule> TJ-: Hum! Ok I try this
[20:41] <pragmaticenigma> hejux: It would appear that you do not need to enable any PPAs to obtain mpv, you only have to go into the software settings and enable the Universe repository
[20:41] <hejux> so default ubuntu is pretty secure (aka conservative )
[20:42] <pragmaticenigma> hejux: secure is something you have to determine and define on your own.
[20:42] <hejux> pragmaticenigma: thanks, Universe Repository
[20:42] <fleabeard> ioria, restarted and put this in 'sudo crontab -e' 44 15   * * *   /sbin/shutdown -h "now"
[20:42] <hejux> i'll take a try,
[20:42] <fleabeard> hopefully in 2 mins we'll get it working :)
[20:42] <ioria> fleabeard,  ok
[20:43] <hejux> that version ubottu give seems a little bit old
[20:43] <jhutchins> hejux: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/07/install-mpv-media-player-ubuntu-16-04/
[20:43] <jule> TJ-: Well done! purge do the trick!
[20:44] <fleabeard> ioria, it worked \o/
[20:44] <ioria> fleabeard,  good job mate
[20:44] <jhutchins> hejux: There is apparently a test ppa that has newer versions, hosted by ubuntu but not fully supported.
[20:44] <fleabeard> ioria, I was going to hit "submit" on this application to MIT for a semester to learn how to use crontab correctly! Thank you so much for your help with this! You saved me hundreds of thousands of dollars!
[20:45] <ioria> fleabeard, no problem
[20:45] <pragmaticenigma> jhutchins: we just got done showing them that it is availble in the default Ubuntu repository
[20:45] <hejux> jhutchins: love that, guess i do need a ppa to get latest mpv and ffmpeg.
[20:45] <fleabeard> ioria, I should have known to "turn it off and on again" lol
[20:45] <pragmaticenigma> hejux: NO!
[20:45] <ioria> fleabeard, yeah
[20:46] <pragmaticenigma> hejux: Do not follow that, as was already pointed out. You do not need to install a PPA, it's already available within Ubuntu's official channels
[20:46] <jhutchins> hejux: This one's specific to 18:04 but is the same procedure: http://tipsonubuntu.com/2018/07/27/install-mpv-0-29-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[20:46] <pragmaticenigma> jhutchins: PLEASE STOP DOING THAT
[20:47] <jhutchins> pragmaticenigma: The one in the official repos is a bit out-of-date.
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | jhutchins
[20:47] <jhutchins> pragmaticenigma: You will notice that this ppa is hosted on ubuntu's servers.
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> jhutchins: the location of the host does not make the PPA more or less official. It just found a home that accepted it
[20:48] <hejux> :)
[20:48] <OerHeks> it is like snaps, trust the owner
[20:48] <hejux> i'll stay with offical. by the way, are you able to hw decode HEVC 10bit video using intel or AMD gpu?
[20:48] <fleabeard> ioria, 00 00 should be good for midnight, right? lol don't want to put the wrong time in there.
[20:48] <jhutchins> OerHeks: Exactly, and a little bit of paranoia is not a bad thing.
[20:48] <ioria> fleabeard, it's ok
[20:49] <pragmaticenigma> The recommendation I would have for hejux is to use the version found in Universe. See if that fullfills their needs. Then, if and only if they deem it inadequate, they should then consider using a PPA provided version
[20:49] <fleabeard> ioria, thanks!
[20:49] <ioria> fleabeard, np
[20:49] <hejux> pragmaticenigma: noted, thanks man
[20:50] <ioria> fleabeard, 0 0  is good too
[20:54] <jhutchins> pragmaticenigma: That is much clear advice, I do agree with it.  BTW that repo is the one mpv.io (the project) recommends.
[21:01] <wabbits> hi jule
[21:01] <jule> Hi again, I have one more issue with re-installing pulseaudio. It seems that the user running pulseaudio is now gdm instead of desktop
[21:02] <wabbits> the user should be "jule"
[21:02] <jule> huh yeah!
[21:05] <wabbits> steps to reproduce jules problem.
[21:05] <conr> anybody use Clonezilla Live on USB to copy your OS to a new SSD?
[21:06] <wabbits> 1. `apt-get purge pulseaudio`
[21:06] <OerHeks> why reinstall pulseaudio?
[21:06] <wabbits> 2. `apt-get install pulseaudio`
[21:06] <ikonia> OerHeks: that is a great question
[21:07] <wabbits> jule you can explain that one
[21:07] <wabbits> 3. `ps aux | grep pulse`
[21:08] <wabbits> expected results: puseaudio should be running as user jule
[21:08] <jule> OerHeks, because it is not the last version and I have issues with my volume control
[21:08] <wabbits> observed results: pulseaudio is running as gdm
[21:08] <OerHeks> wrong, gdm runs pulse, the user only enables syslog
[21:08] <wabbits> can anyone verify that pulseaudio is running as their normal user
[21:08] <wabbits> ?
[21:09] <OerHeks> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dCJsnS6tCn/
[21:09] <wabbits> I will leave that one with you
[21:09] <pragmaticenigma> conr: you will have to reach out to the clonezilla community for assistance. this channel focuses on Ubuntu only
[21:09] <OerHeks> not the last version .. volume control ..
[21:09] <coz_> wabbits, I am on fedora29 at the moment, however, yes it is running under user name
[21:10] <wabbits> coz_ thanks but was really looking to see what normal behaviour is on ubuntu
[21:10] <zutat> hello. which program/package do window managers like pekwm, fluxbox & co use on ubuntu?
[21:11] <ikonia> what do you mean which program/packags ?
[21:11] <jule> OerHeks, the last apt version is not the 12
[21:11] <TJ-> wabbits: pulseaudio prceoss is owned by the GUI user, yes
[21:11] <cryptodan_mobile> conr: use bit for bit to get the boot loader
[21:11] <wabbits> TJ- what platform?
[21:11] <TJ-> wabbits: huh?
[21:11] <wabbits> what distro are you running?
[21:11] <wabbits> and what version?
[21:11] <zutat> ikonia: :D for generating the applications menu. multitasking fooled me
[21:11] <conr> pragmaticenigma: oh maybe i should ask what tool do you recommend for taking a snapshot of your Ubuntu image and install on a new SSD??
[21:11] <TJ-> wabbits: 18.04
[21:12] <wabbits> OerHeks and TJ- seem to be reporting different things
[21:12] <jule> OerHeks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1810039
[21:12] <OerHeks> 2018-06-20: PulseAudio 12.0 .. logically not in the stable 18.04 LTS
[21:13] <ikonia> zutat: the application menus are part of the desktop
[21:13] <conr> cryptodan_mobile: what's bit for bit?
[21:14] <jule> OerHeks, yes indeed but I have wanted to try this new version in order to see if it is fixing my issues.
[21:14] <pragmaticenigma> conr: my recommendation is if you are going from a traditional harddrive to SSD is to do a fresh install
[21:14] <TJ-> wabbits: no; same thing. User session has a pulseaudio server, but with Gnome, the Gnome Display Manager also has a PA instance (for the greeter )
[21:14] <wabbits> jule you should have said that before I sent you here
[21:14] <cryptodan_mobile> Conr Google it since it's related to ubuntu support
[21:14] <pragmaticenigma> conr: There are optimization that won't get enabled automatically with a clone of your current system.
[21:15] <conr> pragmaticenigma: actually it's a 60GB SSD to 250SSD
[21:15] <jule> Said what sorry?
[21:15] <wabbits> TJ- thanks
[21:15] <wabbits> that you want to run the latest version to see if it fixes an issue
[21:15] <OerHeks> cosmic gives https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/1:12.2-0ubuntu4 ..
[21:15] <zutat> ikonia: i mean a software like this one http://menumaker.sourceforge.net/ .
[21:15] <pragmaticenigma> conr: Then I leave it with the same comment I made earlier, Clonezilla is not something supported here. You need to go to Clonezilla's official support for assistnace plase.
[21:16] <ikonia> zutat: they don't use software like that
[21:16] <conr> Will do
[21:17] <wabbits> thanks guys, happy new year!
[21:17] <jule> wabbits, I do not understand the link between the two things. I have mentionned that I want to try to build new version for that purpose but since it broke everything I was trying to revert this.
[21:17] <bprompt> conr:    I use Acronis true image and  Norton Ghost, also have Clonezilla, the images for "OS migration", as far as I know, should work, so long the destination partition is larger or equals to the source's image, but also bear in mind as aforementioned, the clonezilla channel
[21:18] <OerHeks> jule, what hardware is this,  UX390UAK zenbook ?
[21:19] <TJ-> jule: there are a LOT of reports of problems with the ALC295 so I think it is a systemic issue
[21:19] <zutat> ikonia: what do they use instead?
[21:19] <jule> OerHeks, it is a Asus Zenbook 3 yes!
[21:20] <jule> TJ-, indeed I have found issues but not especially ALC295, do you have references?
[21:21] <ikonia> zutat: it's part of the desktop
[21:21] <TJ-> jule: I've found a report on the HP forums about this that strongly suggests this may be caused by a firmware ACPI issue (it's fine after rebooting from Windows, but not on a cold boot into Linux)
[21:21] <conr> Side question, any of you have an iMac and a Ubuntu (MediaServer/NAS) box on your home network? What's your monitor setup?
[21:22] <conr> or do you just VNC in?
[21:22] <TJ-> jule: there's an easy workaround that *may* help if it is caused by a bug in the PC's firmware ACPI. See http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[21:22] <OerHeks>  not detecting all your speakers correctly ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/906303/volume-control-on-asus-zenbook-3 and same answer  https://era86.github.io/2017/10/03/asus-zenbook-3-volume-controls.html
[21:23] <OerHeks> that is the cause of the slider, it seems
[21:23] <OerHeks> .. and check for bios updates
[21:24] <TJ-> jule: OerHeks' 2nd link looks promising
[21:24] <jule> Ok I process these links and I come back
[21:25] <OerHeks> meanwhile, dog is going to walk me
[21:25] <jule> The second link in fact I have already tried this with no chance... I give it a new try, I do not know..
[21:26] <segwent> OerHeks: scoop dat poop :D
[21:49] <za1b1tsu> is there ac hannel for the unity DE?
[21:49] <za1b1tsu> *channel
[21:50] <pragmaticenigma> za1b1tsu: perhaps if you state your question, we can direct you better?
[21:51] <za1b1tsu> I was reading what was so good about unity and that HUD menu really got me interested
[21:51] <za1b1tsu> and from what I am reading, only mate has anything comparable
[21:52] <pragmaticenigma> za1b1tsu: The HUD you refer to, I believe was inspired by the choices made in Gnome, which is Ubuntu's current default desktop environment
[21:53] <za1b1tsu> ubuntu does not have this functionality, there is this https://github.com/hardpixel/gnome-hud
[21:53] <za1b1tsu> but I was curios about a 1st party implementation
[21:54] <pragmaticenigma> za1b1tsu: For unity, it appears they use telegram for the preferred chat network. Their homepage is https://unity8.io/ ... My knowledge of the inner workings of Unity are limited, only that I had used it with my previous installation of Ubuntu 16.04
[21:55] <za1b1tsu> ah ok, thank you pragmaticenigma
[22:03] <likemindead> What's the best N64 emulator for Linux these days?
[22:05] <EriC^^> likemindead: mupen64 is ok
[22:05] <likemindead> Looks like it's about it these days.
[22:06] <EriC^^> yeah
[22:11] <jhutchins> Not going to find a lot of variety in stuff with questionable legality in a mainline distro.
[22:26] <rneese> Hey guys whats up . Have a issue with okg instakkhttps://paste.ee/p/FoNWv#K3CcXL6rRa4vyr7KRBLWuny6BnsMhqy3
[22:27] <rneese> Hey guys whats up . Have a issue with okg install https://paste.ee/p/FoNWv#K3CcXL6rRa4vyr7KRBLWuny6BnsMhqy3
[22:28] <rneese> apt-show-verion has issues but it says its installed
[22:28] <rneese> Setting up apt-show-versions (0.22.7) ...
[22:28] <rneese> ** initializing cache. This may take a while **
[22:28] <rneese> Error: No information about packages! (Maybe no deb entries?)
[22:29] <rneese> looks like the pkg is broken
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> rneese: You will have to contact the developer or package maintainer. This channel only supports software provided through Ubuntu's official channels and repositories
[22:31] <rneese> Maintainer:
[22:31] <rneese> Ubuntu Developers (Mail Archive)
[22:31] <pragmaticenigma> rneese: what and how are you installing?
[22:32] <rneese> installing ajenti but apt-show-version is in the normal ubuntu pkgs
[22:32] <rneese> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/admin/apt-show-versions
[22:34] <pragmaticenigma> rneese: ajenti is the problem, not apt-show-version ... that much is clear from the pastebin you provided
[22:35] <rneese> no apt-show-version is a issue as I install it alone and get the error
[22:35] <pragmaticenigma> rneese: have you done a recent "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" ?
[22:35] <rneese> yes
[22:35] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: no, it is apt-show-versions that causes that, because it cannot complete its postinst run due to not finding the dpkg status file, as it says
[22:35] <TJ-> rneese: what Ubuntu release is that? the apt-show-versions version is pure Debian, not Ubuntu
[22:36] <rneese> 18.04
[22:36] <rneese> https://paste.ee/p/Hrd7C#6TMo5tLm4AqlNKMhoyVs1ioI0UNLzyh0
[22:36] <rneese> its in the ubuntu pkgs
[22:36] <TJ-> !info apt-show-versions bionic | rneese
[22:37] <TJ-> rneese:  ^^^ 18.04 has 0.22.7ubuntu1
[22:38] <rneese> its failing to install thats the issue
[22:38] <rneese> Setting up apt-show-versions (0.22.7) ...
[22:38] <rneese> ** initializing cache. This may take a while **
[22:38] <rneese> Error: No information about packages! (Maybe no deb entries?)
[22:38] <pragmaticenigma> rneese: have you added a PPA meant for debian?
[22:38] <rneese> no
[22:39] <leftyfb> rneese: purge it and ajenti, get apt to a clean state where you can install packages. Test by installing something like cowsay
[22:39] <rneese> only added 1 repo for ajenti
[22:40] <TJ-> rneese: you're not using an Ubuntu release, in that last pastebin it reports "Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) " - we do not have that version of man-db
[22:40] <pragmaticenigma> rneese: if you were running ubuntu 18.04, you would have seen this output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yFmw2Qfpfk/
[22:42] <rneese> ok sorry I see a issue brb it looks like someone reloaded this mini box with debian while I was otu of office . and did not inform me
[22:42] <rneese> ok I have to go reload
[22:42] <rneese> sorry
[22:42] <rneese> thanks
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> it's alright, hopefully everything goes smoothly when you have the targetted OS on their :-)
[22:43] <rneese> ok thanks ust saw when I did apt get update it showed deb repos
[22:43] <rneese> thanks alot
[22:44] <TJ-> well, that was an easy one :)
[22:46] <gigirock> hi all
[22:46] <gigirock> i can't login in the #ubuntu-it chan
[22:46] <gigirock> i can't login in the #ubuntu-it-chat too
[22:47] <Bashing-om> !register | gigirock ??
[23:51] <ffs> Does it make sense for uname -r to output "2.6.32-042stab134.8" when running Ubuntu 16.04? I thought 2.6 was super old.
[23:53] <tomreyn> ffs: it is super old, and it does make sense if that's a custom kernel. actual 16.04 would not have this one.
[23:55] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[23:55] <tomreyn> ffs: what you have there is apparently a virtuozzo container running under rhel / centos
[23:55] <OerHeks> sounds like openvz 2.6.32-042stab134.8
[23:55] <OerHeks> vagrant?
[23:55] <tomreyn> https://virtuozzosupport.force.com/s/article/vaa
[23:56] <tomreyn> rather https://virtuozzosupport.force.com/s/article/VZA-2018-087