=== u-ou is now known as no-n [00:23] you're right. it's openvz. Thanks! [00:30] Anyone had any luck in installing ubuntu on a Google Pixel 3 XL ? [00:31] this is weird, i modify my hosts file and somehow it reverts back to what it was prior to the edit - i have a copy in /etc and in ~ - another edit gets overwritten again - strange [00:32] All i can find is about rooting/unlocking, but none about installing Linux on it [00:38] WoC, such new device .. check out ubpots [00:39] Lineage os has a port [00:42] OerHeks, so I should hold off on that ? [00:44] I know LineageOS is android, Iḿ trying to see if there is something to replace android with [00:44] WoC, i would not touch it for now, only when that device runs out of updates, like my nexus5 [00:45] And making sure there is something, before i buy yet another useless device [00:47] OerHeks, which device would you recommend to run Linux on, not Android ? [00:47] You seems to have some insight [00:52] i wish it could be ported to iphones :-D [00:53] but ubuntu phone runs on a select number of devices, and one tablet [00:55] But Pixel 3 is not one of them? [00:55] OerHeks: WoC : https://seravo.fi/2018/ubuntu-gnome-on-a-tablet . [00:56] Ty Bashing-om, however, i would need it on a phone, not tablet [00:58] Besides, the tablet is EOL, being x86 not amd64 [00:58] WoC: WoC As advised - Ubports support severa; phomes . A start for checking: https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/call-for-testing-ubuntu-touch-ota-6-183 . [01:16] i have ubuntu 18.04.1 installed to my laptop hdd. i have done 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'. i now would like to get a daily live image that matches my hdd install. i dont want the daily disco image [01:16] where do i find 18.04.1 daily live images [01:16] bionic* [01:18] is it here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/pending/HEADER.html [01:19] en1gma: See also: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop . [01:20] Only development versions like disco gets live images AFAIK [01:21] daily * [01:21] Hello, I have ubuntu 18.04 and it takes total of 32 seconds compared to windows which takes roughly 7-8 seconds to boot (I have dual boot), can someone help. I did try systemd-analyze blame (etc) but I am new to figuring out what to optimize? [01:21] 32 sec is nice. [01:21] By boot, I mean to bring up graphical login screen (in ubuntu vs windows) [01:22] windows uses a pagefile like sleep/hybernate i guess [01:22] OerHeks, I have a pretty good system with M2 drive etc so I do expect not more than 10-12 seconds, I am pretty sure we can optimize [01:22] OerHeks, I explicitly shutdown windows (not sleep/hubernate) [01:22] Bashing-om, seems like all the devices for which you could install ubuntu are obsolete [01:23] systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg [01:23] and paste on imgur or somtheng? [01:23] OerHeks, looks like it takes 3 mins (not 32 secs), Startup finished in 4.076s (kernel) + 3min 19.649s (userspace) = 3min 23.725s [01:23] graphical.target reached after 32.192s in userspace [01:23] Sure let me get you that OerHeks [01:24] WoC: :( ... Wait on lotus here .. he is up on buntu phones . [01:25] ok, 128 GB internal storage would be quite nice for a Linux install ;) [01:25] Uh Huh :D [01:26] OerHeks, does this helps [01:26] https://svgur.com/s/AF7 [01:27] OerHeks, may be try this https://ufile.io/fpw9k [01:27] no, not readable [01:27] OerHeks, yeh this is better, you can just download it [01:29] OerHeks, looks like out of 3 mins, 2 mins is spent in apt-daily-upgrade.service, not sure if that is before I get graphical screen or afterwards? [01:29] yes, i see that too, at the end of the red line, it gets cpu time [01:30] but this was from current boot, likely [01:31] OerHeks, looks like its after graphical.target (which I assume is what brings graphics screen up for login) [01:32] mine, not wireless, https://ufile.io/tj72j 26s, normal ssd [01:32] i have no update part there [01:32] OerHeks, you mean after graphical.target etc? [01:32] jups [01:33] hmm [01:33] OerHeks, may be you have auto update etc off? [01:34] no, i guess this boot was caused by a reboot for a kernel, uptime 2 days or so [01:35] 02:34:33 up 1 day, 9:07, 1 user, load average: 0,44, 0,66, 0,45 [01:35] OerHeks, you mean my current boot? [01:35] well, if you reboot, see what picture it gives? [01:36] part of that time could well be unattended updates? [01:36] OerHeks, ok let me try again and come back [01:36] OerHeks, brb [01:50] OerHeks, looks like update/upgrade and reboot after that helped [01:50] OerHeks, here is new link https://ufile.io/q4fga [01:50] OerHeks, do you think we can optimize anything else? [02:13] any recommendations for a text mode Unicode block browser? [02:15] ideally it should have a list of blocks (e.g. Basic Latin), a grid of all the characters in it, and a pane or option to display more details about that character, e.g. char number in decimal and hex. === no-n is now known as stop_killing_me === stop_killing_me is now known as u-ou [02:50] I'm trying to extend my desktop to a tv. It will extend, but it shows whatever is on my laptop screen, I want it to show a second desktop [02:50] rapidwave, settings -> Monitors/Displays [02:51] I should note I have Xfce I think, technically Ubuntu Studio [02:52] Might be under Devices, as in Settings -> Devices - Displays [02:52] rapidwave, 'display' @ whisker menu pulls up my 'configure screen settings and layout' menu which has mirror-display tick-box (xubuntu) [03:02] I can find Monitor settings, I set Extended View. The problem is nothing shows up on my tv unless it is also showing on my laptop. [03:10] rapidwave, that would be normal, the task bar etc would only be on the primary [03:10] you can still drag windows onto the 2nd display [03:19] Yes and there is something drug over. The problem is, it does not show on the tv unless I switch focus to that application and then it shows on both screens. [03:26] Does anyone know why a live cd would fail to boot with "Failed to load image \EFI\BOOT\grubx64.efi: Invalid Parameter"? [03:26] This is the 18.04 live cd [03:28] the file is damaged? [03:28] ShellcatZero: did you verify the image? [03:28] ShellcatZero, did you check the hash of the download, and/or run the self-check? That's usually the first thing to try [03:28] ShellcatZero: Secure boot enabled ? [03:30] weird [03:30] sudo find /etc/krb5.conf /etc/sssd -print0 | sudo tar cf - -T - [03:30] would think that would work [03:31] I've tried multiple Ubuntu flavors, and all have failed. I finally tried Knoppix and it gave me a EFI error, and then somehow still booted [03:32] I believe secure boot is disabled but I will double-check. [03:35] Secure boot "TPM Security Chip" is disabled, should that be enabled? [03:36] I'll verify the image too, but I suspect with so many live cds failing that something else is wrong. [03:37] Using USB 3 on it [03:38] ShellcatZero, is your computer perhaps one of the few that have 32bit EFI? [03:40] lordcirth_: How should I check? I believe the processor is 64bit, and it is already dual booted with Win10 and Ubuntu 16.04 (I was hoping to do a live cd install of 18.04) [03:40] ShellcatZero, oh, if 16.04 installed normally in EFI mode, then it's not that [03:41] kantlivelong: Is that command for me? [03:41] ShellcatZero: nah [03:42] ShellcatZero: are you using nvidia? [03:43] kantlivelong: I don't think so, it's a laptop with integrated (Intel) graphics [03:43] ShellcatZero: just wanted to check before you wasted time with EFI [03:46] I think I can do like a debootstrap install from Knoppix but I really didn't want to go that way, and I was worried that the EFI boot problem might persist post-install [03:46] cant use legacy? [03:47] legacy? [03:47] BIOS mode [03:47] it is already in legacy [03:47] if it was then you wouldnt be booting an EFI image [03:47] hmm [03:48] It might have both enabled [03:48] Inside Ubuntu, what commands can I run to check? [03:48] I just booted into 16.04 to try to diagnose this [03:49] ShellcatZero, ls /sys/firmware/efi [03:50] Gives me "no such file or directory" [03:50] then you're booted in BIOS mode [03:51] is that the correct mode? [03:51] well, it's working? [03:51] Still can't boot to any live cd [03:52] Except Knoppix, the issue is that I wanted to do a live cd install of 18.04 [03:52] Probably it's booting EFI and breaking for some reason. Try setting it to Legacy only. [03:52] lordcirth_: From the BIOS settings? [03:52] Yes [03:53] lordcirth_: is that not the same thing as TPM Security Chip? [03:53] Nope [03:55] lordcirth_: I think legacy is the only thing this system supports. This is a Fujitsu T901 from 2011 [03:56] Might be an early UEFI [03:56] ShellcatZero, then it's weird that it would *try* to boot EFI and fail [04:00] lordcirth_: I'm really at a loss, everything I see tells me I'm running in legacy, but my live cds are all giving me EFI errors on boot. [04:03] Should I file a bug report? [04:04] ShellcatZero, probably - though after looking for existing ones first. Even if you are doing something wrong, that's at minimum a documentation error. [04:05] Ok, thanks lordcirth_. Gotta hand it to Knoppix to throw and EFI error and then still proceed to boot. Thank god for Knoppix. [04:13] WoC: lotuspsychje Is in the channel. might be able to pick his brain on what to install on the phone :) [04:15] Ty, Bashing-om, appreciated [04:16] lotuspsychje, any suggestions as to Pixel 3 XL and installing Linux ? [04:17] WoC: As phones are not on-topic here .. how about asking lotuspsychje in #ubuntu-discuss channel ? [04:17] or anything not android ? [04:17] k :) [04:17] yes join in discuss plz [04:50] lordcirth_: Would you describe the error as BIOS being mistaken as UEFI when booting into a live cd environment? [04:50] ShellcatZero, I would stick to the symptom you actually see. [04:53] lordcirth_: Ok, I've searched through the open bugs and haven't found anything like my issue === grabless is now known as OpenSorce === WoC- is now known as WoC [05:19] This seems like a no-brainer. How do I make ubuntu route my sound to my USB headset when I plug it in? Every other device I have on every other OS (Win, OSX, Android) does this. I know how to change it manually but the devices I want to do this are operated by kids. They don't need to play around in PA controls just to use a headset. Any help? [05:54] I just filed the UEFI bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1810070 [05:55] Launchpad bug 1810070 in Ubuntu "18.04.1 Live CD fails to boot with EFI errors" [Undecided,New] [06:05] is it a bad idea to install google chrome on ubuntu 18-04.1 LTS? the reason im asking is, I don't want my system to break, and I want to mostly use apt if i need something, so, is it safe? [06:05] i could use chromium but i'd like to have the things chrome has [06:10] xdruppi: in most cases we dont reccomend adding external ppa's to your system [06:10] xdruppi: but you are the owner of your system, if you need chrome install it [06:11] lotuspsychje: thanks for your answer, i don't know, i think i'll keep it safe and install chromium instead [06:11] xdruppi: Just curious, what does chrome have that chromium doesn't? I was under the impression that they were the same [06:12] ShellcatZero: chrome has propietary software in it, i don't remember the details, but it's a few things that could be useful to most people, also chrome gets updated independently [06:12] ShellcatZero: Google Chrome includes proprietary code, as well as things like Adobe Flash player and other binary components [06:12] by google devs [06:12] Ah, ok [06:24] !uefi | ShellcatZero did you read here? [06:24] ShellcatZero did you read here?: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [06:25] lotuspsychje: I'm not sure how that is relevant to a non-UEFI machine, but yes, I have gone over it [06:28] ShellcatZero: so your machine dualboots with win10 and doesnt have uefi? [06:28] lotuspsychje: correct [06:33] ShellcatZero: i would try to play with bios settings and test an ubuntu singleboot [06:38] ShellcatZero: updating bios to latest is also a good idea, and maybe test lubuntu/xubuntu iso's too [06:40] lotuspsychje: I have done all of those things, actually (used lubuntu rather than xubuntu). Have a look at the bug report, the OSes are each on their own disk rather than sharing disks. [06:41] lotuspsychje: I'm checking for BIOS updates, that's the only thing in question, but the system is supposedly known to not be UEFI capable [06:42] ShellcatZero: there should at least be some bios settings you can setup to lake ubuntu boot properly [06:42] make [06:44] lotuspsychje: The only issue is with the live cd image, and at one time the live cd image worked (I think it was first installed with 14.04) [06:45] ShellcatZero: i didnt came across many machines that cant install ubuntu or flavors of it [06:46] lotuspsychje: It is pretty crazy, Knoppix 8.2 boots, but throws an EFI error before doing so. [06:46] ShellcatZero: you mentioned you updated your BIOS, did you make sure that settings within the BIOS didn't get flipped? [06:48] pragmaticenigma: I'm checking for BIOS updates, but I'm pretty sure it was updated to its latest version prior to the 14.04 install years ago [06:49] ShellcatZero: you also mentioned the OSes are on separate drives. Where you recently in the machine possibly swapped some cables around by accident? [06:52] nm, since you have a bug report, I'd wait on that for further help. better than through wild guesses at it [06:52] pragmaticenigma: No, the disks have not been serviced recently (this is also a laptop). [06:53] The BIOS is indeed on the latest version === capella is now known as capella|away [07:32] ShellcatZero: you said you tried different "flavors" of ubuntu 18.04 and had the same symptom(s), did you try 16.04? [07:42] tatertots: Not the live cd, no. I can probably try later versions until I find one that works, that's a good idea. I think 14.04 was the first version installed on this system. [08:02] tatertots: Interestingly, 16.04 has the same problem but 14.04 will successfully boot after displaying the same error message. I'll update the bug report accordingly [08:12] tatertots: correction, 16.04 succeeds, but 16.04.5 fails, so the bug was created sometime during 16.04 === Tin__man is now known as Tin_man [08:45] i fresh installed ubuntu 18.04 on a tuxedo computer. now I am at login screen (gdm), and the screen reacts totally slow, even if I input my password it tries to go to gnome desktop but then returns to login screen. all is very laggy. what could this be? [08:50] pragomer: I don't know what is a tuxedo computer, but perhaps you need a graphical driver (nvidia). can you log into a tty (crtl+alt+F3) ? the command ubuntu-drivers list may help [08:51] pragomer: you can check in a terminal what is your graphical card: lspci |grep -i vga [08:51] tuxedo computers is a german provider of linux compatible hardware ;-) [08:52] I tried recovery mode from grub, but even then (from the ncursed menu on) the pc doesnt react anymore [08:52] its like it would be a wrong kernel [08:52] or lspci -nn |grep -i vga if you want the unique number [08:54] actually installing it again, just to be sure [08:54] live system works fine [08:57] usually when you return to login screen (with the good password) , it's because you have problem to find in RW your $HOME, or problem with the graphical cards [08:59] sometimes you can see something in the log files (/var/log/syslog /var/log/Xorg.0.log and of curse with journalctl command ) [08:59] mm, I now have made an identical install again and it works now... so it should only have been a copying error while installation [08:59] if it's work find now :) [09:21] Hello World ! === mkv is now known as m4v [09:24] Hello all. I am on Ubuntu 18.10 x64 with kernel 4.19.0-041900-generic on a laptop. I've been experiencing a very slow boot upwards of 2 minutes I'd say before I can interact with the GUI. Now the laptop is with a slow 5400rpm drive so it explains some things, it's been like this since day one even on 18.04. But still, analyzing critical-chain it says that /boot/efi loading takes 27 seconds. Is this normal? [09:25] Here is critical-chain https://pastebin.com/DvAiyNk0 [09:25] firelegend: why this kernel? [09:26] I usually roll with the latest. [09:26] I must clarify that I dual-boot with Windows, so I have several partitions in total. [09:27] do you have the same happen with the default kernel? [09:27] Yes. [09:27] Since 18.04 [09:27] with a wide range of kernels. [09:27] is the system fully patched otherwise? [09:28] from default for 18.04 lts to many versions upwards [09:28] Yes it is [09:28] firelegend: you do understand that kernel is unsupported, right? [09:28] I did not know, no. But I am sure rolling back to the old one would yield the same bootup time as has before. [09:29] sure as in you actually tried? [09:29] Yes [09:29] as I have. [09:30] Even 18.04 default kernel yielded the same bootup time [09:30] firelegend: what are the specs of the laptop? CPU, memory? [09:30] corei7 8300h, 8gb ram, gtx 1050 4GB vram. [09:30] 1TB 5400 rpm hdd [09:30] and a 5400 rpm hdd? that's a bad combo indeed [09:30] can you post dmesg? [09:31] did you install proprietary nvidia drivers? [09:32] I did. However the GPU used a lot of battery fast, so I switched to the integrated intel one [09:33] dmesg log https://pastebin.com/AeP8WeW4 [09:34] do you know the impact these boot parameters have? [09:35] I do. [09:35] They would allow sidechannels that could quietly extract sensitive information. [09:35] From say a web browser [09:36] I've gone to great lengths to improve performance. [09:37] since everybody under the sun nowadays expects spectre workarounds to be in place on newer kernel versions, opting out of them might also adversely impact performance nowadays. not sure. [09:37] However since the bios is the latest it likely already uses the latest microcode update either way. [09:37] It's quite the opposite I believe. [09:38] They incur performance because they disable the flawed speculative execution. [09:38] Usually metrics say not a lot. [09:38] But in some instances, a lot. [09:38] my point is that anyone optimizes anything against the new defaults (workaround enabled) nowadays. [09:38] Especially a newer patch since 4.19 or 4.20 [09:39] which was deemed to cause too great of a performance penalty and was disabled by default I think [09:39] but i think the real issue you see there is acpi [09:39] Now that you mention ACPI [09:39] There are a bunch of messages that stay on screen for I'd say 30-40 seconds [09:39] Something about opcode patching [09:40] have a look at line 294 and following of what you posted [09:43] I can see the many ACPI errors, yes. [09:43] But not sure what could be done about them. [09:44] i'd ask tj if he drops in later today [09:44] if this is a Legion Y530 model 81FV0013US then here's a newer bios update: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/en/products/LAPTOPS-AND-NETBOOKS/LEGION-SERIES/LEGION-Y530-15ICH/81FV/81FV0013US/PF18LJ8N/downloads/DS503758 [09:46] latest bios version is 8JCN49WW, yours is currently 8JCN43WW [09:47] I will have to dualboot to update it [09:47] the changelog (over just the previous version) lists no ACPI bug fixes but: [important] Update includes some security fixed issue(CP20180928_0003 & CP20180928_0004); [09:47] But you can see they dont officially support linux [09:47] hardly anyone does [09:48] Alright I shall come back later after I update it [09:51] firelegend: good luck, and post another dmesg once you did. [09:51] alright [09:51] thanks [09:59] ShellcatZero: next time you file a bug, use ubuntu-bug package please, relevant info is now missing for the devs [10:02] this can still be done using: apport-collect bugid [10:03] ah nice1 [10:11] Alright, so I updated the bios [10:11] https://termbin.com/n4zh critical-chain [10:13] having trouble with sorting out the path of with Ubuntu18 and python. Have reinstalled the entire OS basically cause i screwed up by removing all python3 packages earlier :P [10:13] And dmesg log https://pastebin.com/p1qUYU9u [10:13] Same thing [10:13] I also see network manager wait service adds 20 seconds of wait time [10:13] I am trying to install and use this https://github.com/louisabraham/ffpass and i understood python3 is default installed in ubuntu18 and i just installed pip3 using apt-get install python3-pip [10:13] I tried disabling the service [10:13] but it's back each time [10:14] and then did pip install ffpass and it got installed without errors. but when i type ffpass in the terminal it says ffpass: command not found [10:14] I understand this must be some glitch with the path, but not sure what is it - need help please [10:15] Holy hell, run-user-1000.mount @2min 5.641s [10:15] thats a lot [10:15] Gives me total boot time of nearly 4 minutes [10:16] firelegend: you can try this, pretend to be windows while talking to acpi http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html [10:17] tamarind: there is no such thing as "Ubuntu18" [10:17] I could try that [10:17] tamarind: if you need a package, we reccomend to install it from the ubuntu repos: apt-cache search keyword [10:18] And do you know what run-user-1000.mount is and why it would take over 2 minutes to complete? [10:18] firelegend: can you describe your network setup? [10:19] Wifi [10:20] firelegent: wifi to what type of AP? is this a home network to a router/firewall/AP combo unit? [10:20] It is a router yes. [10:20] With DHCP enabled. [10:20] firelegend: personally i'll not spend more time on this until you're running the default kernel, posted another dmesg form that kernel and tried the acpi workarounds i pointed to. [10:21] ...without any extra boot parameters [10:22] I could try that. [10:22] What was the exact default kernel version for 18.10? [10:23] tamarind: just a side note: you can have pip (and pip3) install packages just for your own user account. this can help with not 'polluting' the system's python. [10:23] Exactly 4.18 or some minor version of 4.18 [10:23] firelegend: just install the package? [10:23] tomreyn, its ubuntu bionic 18.04 LTS [10:24] lotuspsychje, python3-pip is in the package manager list [10:24] tomreyn, how can i do that ? [10:25] So sudo apt-get install linux-generic, which yields 4.18.0.10 [10:25] how can i have pip3 for my own user account tomreyn [10:25] 4.18.0.11-generic, [10:26] I will remove the spectre mitigations and kpti boot params, but the others must stay on [10:26] the i915 alpha support nvidia modeset, at least thats how I get stuff working, e.g gpu [10:27] tamarind: pip3 install --user [10:27] tamarind: pip3 itself you can install globally [10:27] (using the ubuntu package) [10:29] done, installed pip3 install --user ffpass, having the pip3 globally [10:29] firelegend: i915.alpha_support=1 nvidia-drm.modeset=1 and vt.handoff=1 you can keep, right [10:29] but when i execute ffpass it still says the command not found error [10:30] should i add a path or something for the system to detect my local installation of packages ? [10:30] tamarind: this was just a general python hint, not a way to overcome this issue you inquired about. [10:30] tamarind: how do you "execute ffpass" and what is the output? [10:31] tomreyn, thanks, it makes sense to have them seperately. How do you activate or use the packages in general that you have installed only for local user ? [10:31] Alright, rebooting now. [10:32] tomreyn, just by typing "ffpass --help" and enter in the terminal [10:32] which gives command not found error [10:33] tomreyn, pip3 freeze | grep ffpass gives me the version installed. how do i know if this is locally installed or globally ? [10:34] tamarind: add .local/bin/ to your $PATH [10:34] "which pip3" returns which command will be run by the same user in the same environment when they type "pip3" [10:36] to add .local/bin/ to your $PATH, you can edit .profile [10:36] and add: [10:36] # set PATH so it includes user's private bin directories [10:36] PATH="$HOME/bin:$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH" [10:36] tomreyn, there seems to be no folders called .local/bin/ inside $HOME if thats what you meant. is this ok ? [10:37] naah sorry my bad there is one [10:37] tamarind: it should be there if you had pip3 install and build ffpass in the user environment [10:40] Alright, running the default kernel + acpi hack and no mitigations disabled [10:40] https://termbin.com/3t28 [10:40] Startup finished in 9.148s (firmware) + 1min 8.524s (loader) + 5.813s (kernel) + 1min 41.484s (userspace) = 3min 4.970s [10:40] firelegend: good, so just replace the hdd by an ssd now. [10:41] https://pastebin.com/iDu2uqhX [10:41] Well not replace, but run alongside [10:41] the OS on an SSD [10:41] yes if you have space for both [10:42] the acpi errors are still there [10:42] Looks like it's just an incompatibility between the laptop and linux [10:42] so either "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" is not the right one, or the bios is just very broken [10:45] tomreyn, https://www.pastiebin.com/5c28a19236cfe so you are saying that the lines 31 and 32 had to be added to the .profile so that the path confusion is fixed ? [10:46] I could try an older windows osi [10:46] tomreyn, echo $PATH right now gives me this => /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin [10:46] maybe even try and disable any legacy bios stuff [10:48] tamarind: actually what you have on lines 24 to 27 is sufficient, you can remove lines 31 and 32, [10:49] tamarind: you will need to logout and login to apply the changes, or do it manually by exporting the new path. [10:49] i.e.: export PATH="$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH" [10:50] this will only update the PATH in the very virtual terminal you run it in though. [10:52] tomreyn, you are awesome ! manual export and ffpass on terminal worked ! [10:52] so i need to log out of the system and login so that the change is permanent is it ? [10:52] tomreyn, ^ [10:53] tamarind: correct [10:55] firelegend: snapd takes a while to load on your system. you could look into uninstalling packages you don't require or replacing them by deb's [10:55] thanks tomreyn, will do it now [10:55] Wishing you a good day [10:55] tamarind: same to you, good luck [11:41] Hi, do-release-upgrade cancels itself after it's fetched bionic.tar, read cache, checked the package manager, read package lists, built dependency tree, read state information, read package lists, built dependency tree, read state information. After that it says Restoring original system state. This is running in a TTY. I never get the chance to say Yes or No to an upgrade. [11:42] Rovanion: there should be a log in /var/log/dist-upgrade you can post [11:43] main.log and maybe apt.log, too [11:43] !paste [11:43] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [11:44] tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YVRgjKzV28/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sDMPQf64Vd/ respectively. [11:46] Rovanion: i686 is not supported anyomre. [11:47] Really? Well that's unfortunate. [11:48] Rovanion: this is a simplified statement, please refer to the release notes [11:48] !releasenotes [11:48] For release notes of a given Ubuntu release, please refer to the 'Docs' column on the 'List of releases' table at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [11:52] tomreyn: Can't find anything on 32-bit intel in the release notes for 18.04. Only 32-bit PPC. [11:52] Looking at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes [11:53] Other highlights since 16.04 LTS [11:53] 32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop. [11:54] admittedly this is not the same as saying "upgrades are no longer supported", but i think this was disabled, too. [11:55] But the repos are still there? [11:55] note that 32-bit x86 is still supported on some of the other flavours [11:55] Rovanion, some flavors (eg. xubuntu, lubuntu..) had x86 (32bit) images; and you still can do-release-upgrade to 18.04 [11:56] (thoe flavors did drop support , the last two only very recently so no 19.04 ISOs in x86 even for flavors) [11:56] s/thoe/those [11:57] There's no way to jump over to the 64-bit release in the upgrade? This machine has a 64-bit CPU, I just used the 32-bit release back in the day to save RAM at the cost of CPU cycles. [11:58] switching from x86 to x86_64 requires a re-install [11:58] Rovanion: have you considered running amd64 on this system instead? most T61 models come with CPUs which can handle the instruction set. [11:59] on the other hand, these cpus aren't going to receive any meltdown / spectre fixes from intel. [11:59] tomreyn: Yes, see my last message. Would want to jump ship in the upgrade if that's possible. [12:00] Rovanion: yes, but reinstallation is needed to switch architectures. [12:00] My grandmothers computer usage seems benign enough that she should be OK with an ad-blocker enabled, could turn off HT I guess. [12:00] Hello! I tried on ##linux but... maybe it's ubuntu specific? Why when I'm doing `locate -r "system.?"` it just somehow... doesn't work o.O? I have trillions of matching files, plus it does work with e.g `locate -r "system.*"` or just `locate -r "system"` - why would `locate` have a problem with the `?` in regex? btw and jwiw, -r matches anywhere in the name. [12:02] I do have files having 'system' in the name... I have millions of them... [12:03] it seems like `locate` has a problem with the ? special character? [12:03] konrados: Check which flavour of regexes it expects. [12:03] konrados: does this report any hits? locate -r 'system.?' [12:04] konrados: alternatively, this? locate --regex 'system.?' [12:04] konrados, ? matches any character - if you want regex you need to --regex (otherwise it's seen only as a glob) - see `man locate` [12:04] sorry - my mistake konrados [12:05] np :) [12:05] tomreyn, no, the 'system.?' doesn't work either [12:05] Rovanion, is there any flavour which do not understand '?'? [12:06] konrados: so both of these dont produce any results? [12:06] wait! [12:06] tomreyn, the --regex works... [12:06] opening man... [12:07] ^ wrong order of tasks [12:07] the ? is only in.... "extended" regex? I would never think about that... I really thought what I'm doing wrong is lying somewhere else [12:08] like maybe the path shell expansion happening before it hits the command [12:08] sorry.... I did my best though [12:08] tomreyn, Rovanion guiverc_d - thank you!!! [12:08] you're welcome === davor_ is now known as davor [12:21] so... the -r supports 'regexp' which is 'Basic Regular Expression', so, whenever I read about regular expressions I am supposed to suppose this is 'basic regex'? And - where is it described, when I google 'basic regular expression' I find the 'basics of regex':) And when I found 'basic regex' like here: https://www.arubanetworks.com/techdocs/ArubaOS_63_Web_Help/Content/ArubaFrameStyles/ESI/Basic_Regular_Expression.htm it says it does support [12:21] '?'... so where can I read about it? [12:22] I didn't know there is yet another flavour, I thought we have 'globbing', 'regex', 'pcre' and this javascript version and that all :) [12:23] there are multiple flavours / syntaxes of regular expressions, named by the programming / scripting languages these variants were first used in. [12:24] the grep man page provides s short overview, i think [12:24] tomreyn, so, where can I read about this... something used by `locate` [12:24] ah [12:24] ok, I'll see the man grep, thanks [12:24] ! [13:13] Hey folks [13:15] so what is your preffered irc client? [13:16]