[00:23] <ffs> you're right. it's openvz. Thanks!
[00:30] <WoC> Anyone had any luck in installing ubuntu on a Google Pixel 3 XL ?
[00:31] <eelstrebor> this is weird, i modify my hosts file and somehow it reverts back to what it was prior to the edit - i have a copy in /etc and in ~ - another edit gets overwritten again - strange
[00:32] <WoC> All i can find is about rooting/unlocking, but none about installing Linux on it
[00:38] <OerHeks> WoC, such new device .. check out ubpots
[00:39] <OerHeks> Lineage os has a port
[00:42] <WoC> OerHeks, so I should hold off on that ?
[00:44] <WoC> I know LineageOS is android, Iḿ trying to see if there is something to replace android with
[00:44] <OerHeks> WoC, i would not touch it for now, only when that device runs out of updates, like my nexus5
[00:45] <WoC> And making sure there is something, before i buy yet another useless device
[00:47] <WoC> OerHeks, which device would you recommend to run Linux on, not Android ?
[00:47] <WoC> You seems to have some insight
[00:52] <OerHeks> i wish it could be ported to iphones :-D
[00:53] <OerHeks> but ubuntu phone runs on a select number of devices, and one tablet
[00:55] <WoC> But Pixel 3 is not one of them?
[00:55] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: WoC :  https://seravo.fi/2018/ubuntu-gnome-on-a-tablet .
[00:56] <WoC> Ty Bashing-om, however, i would need it on a phone, not tablet
[00:58] <WoC> Besides, the tablet is EOL, being x86 not amd64
[00:58] <Bashing-om> WoC: WoC As advised - Ubports support severa; phomes . A start for checking: https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/call-for-testing-ubuntu-touch-ota-6-183 .
[01:16] <en1gma> i have ubuntu 18.04.1 installed to my laptop hdd. i have done 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'. i now would like to get a daily live image that matches my hdd install. i dont want the daily disco image
[01:16] <en1gma> where do i find 18.04.1 daily live images
[01:16] <en1gma> bionic*
[01:18] <en1gma> is it here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/pending/HEADER.html
[01:19] <Bashing-om> en1gma: See also: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop .
[01:20] <OerHeks> Only development versions like disco gets live images AFAIK
[01:21] <OerHeks> daily *
[01:21] <blackhole> Hello, I have ubuntu 18.04 and it takes total of 32 seconds compared to windows which takes roughly 7-8 seconds to boot (I have dual boot), can someone help. I did try systemd-analyze blame (etc) but I am new to figuring out what to optimize?
[01:21] <OerHeks> 32 sec is nice.
[01:21] <blackhole> By boot, I mean to bring up graphical login screen (in ubuntu vs windows)
[01:22] <OerHeks> windows uses a pagefile like sleep/hybernate i guess
[01:22] <blackhole> OerHeks, I have a pretty good system with M2 drive etc so I do expect not more than 10-12 seconds, I am pretty sure we can optimize
[01:22] <blackhole> OerHeks, I explicitly shutdown windows (not sleep/hubernate)
[01:22] <WoC> Bashing-om, seems like all the devices for which you could install ubuntu are obsolete
[01:23] <OerHeks> systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg
[01:23] <OerHeks> and paste on imgur or somtheng?
[01:23] <blackhole> OerHeks, looks like it takes 3 mins (not 32 secs), Startup finished in 4.076s (kernel) + 3min 19.649s (userspace) = 3min 23.725s
[01:23] <blackhole> graphical.target reached after 32.192s in userspace
[01:23] <blackhole> Sure let me get you that OerHeks
[01:24] <Bashing-om> WoC: :( ... Wait on lotus here .. he is up on buntu phones .
[01:25] <WoC> ok, 128 GB internal storage would be quite nice for a Linux install ;)
[01:25] <Bashing-om> Uh Huh :D
[01:26] <blackhole> OerHeks, does this helps
[01:26] <blackhole> https://svgur.com/s/AF7
[01:27] <blackhole> OerHeks, may be try this https://ufile.io/fpw9k
[01:27] <OerHeks> no, not readable
[01:27] <blackhole> OerHeks, yeh this is better, you can just download it
[01:29] <blackhole> OerHeks, looks like out of 3 mins, 2 mins is spent in apt-daily-upgrade.service, not sure if that is before I get graphical screen or afterwards?
[01:29] <OerHeks> yes, i see that too, at the end of the red line, it gets cpu time
[01:30] <OerHeks> but this was from current boot, likely
[01:31] <blackhole> OerHeks, looks like its after graphical.target (which I assume is what brings graphics screen up for login)
[01:32] <OerHeks> mine, not wireless, https://ufile.io/tj72j 26s, normal ssd
[01:32] <OerHeks> i have no update part there
[01:32] <blackhole> OerHeks, you mean after graphical.target etc?
[01:32] <OerHeks> jups
[01:33] <blackhole> hmm
[01:33] <blackhole> OerHeks, may be you have auto update etc off?
[01:34] <OerHeks> no, i guess this boot was caused by a reboot for a kernel, uptime 2 days or so
[01:35] <OerHeks> 02:34:33 up 1 day,  9:07,  1 user,  load average: 0,44, 0,66, 0,45
[01:35] <blackhole> OerHeks, you mean my current boot?
[01:35] <OerHeks> well, if you reboot, see what picture it gives?
[01:36] <OerHeks> part of that time could well be unattended updates?
[01:36] <blackhole> OerHeks, ok let me try again and come back
[01:36] <blackhole> OerHeks, brb
[01:50] <blackhole> OerHeks, looks like update/upgrade and reboot after that helped
[01:50] <blackhole> OerHeks, here is new link https://ufile.io/q4fga
[01:50] <blackhole> OerHeks, do you think we can optimize anything else?
[02:13] <Sven_vB> any recommendations for a text mode Unicode block browser?
[02:15] <Sven_vB> ideally it should have a list of blocks (e.g. Basic Latin), a grid of all the characters in it, and a pane or option to display more details about that character, e.g. char number in decimal and hex.
[02:50] <rapidwave> I'm trying to extend my desktop to a tv. It will extend, but it shows whatever is on my laptop screen, I want it to show a second desktop
[02:50] <WoC> rapidwave, settings -> Monitors/Displays
[02:51] <rapidwave> I should note I have Xfce I think, technically Ubuntu Studio
[02:52] <WoC> Might be under Devices, as in Settings -> Devices - Displays
[02:52] <guiverc> rapidwave, 'display' @ whisker menu pulls up my 'configure screen settings and layout' menu which has mirror-display tick-box (xubuntu)
[03:02] <rapidwave> I can find Monitor settings, I set Extended View. The problem is nothing shows up on my tv unless it is also showing on my laptop.
[03:10] <WoC> rapidwave, that would be normal, the task bar etc would only be on the primary
[03:10] <WoC> you can still drag windows onto the 2nd display
[03:19] <rapidwave> Yes and there is something drug over. The problem is, it does not show on the tv unless I switch focus to that application and then it shows on both screens.
[03:26] <ShellcatZero> Does anyone know why a live cd would fail to boot with "Failed to load image \EFI\BOOT\grubx64.efi: Invalid Parameter"?
[03:26] <ShellcatZero> This is the 18.04 live cd
[03:28] <WoC> the file is damaged?
[03:28] <SlidingHorn> ShellcatZero: did you verify the image?
[03:28] <lordcirth_> ShellcatZero, did you check the hash of the download, and/or run the self-check?  That's usually the first thing to try
[03:28] <Bashing-om> ShellcatZero: Secure boot enabled ?
[03:30] <kantlivelong> weird
[03:30] <kantlivelong> sudo find /etc/krb5.conf /etc/sssd -print0 | sudo tar cf - -T -
[03:30] <kantlivelong> would think that would work
[03:31] <ShellcatZero> I've tried multiple Ubuntu flavors, and all have failed.  I finally tried Knoppix and it gave me a EFI error, and then somehow still booted
[03:32] <ShellcatZero> I believe secure boot is disabled but I will double-check.
[03:35] <ShellcatZero> Secure boot "TPM Security Chip" is disabled, should that be enabled?
[03:36] <ShellcatZero> I'll verify the image too, but I suspect with so many live cds failing that something else is wrong.
[03:37] <cryptodan_mobile> Using USB 3 on it
[03:38] <lordcirth_> ShellcatZero, is your computer perhaps one of the few that have 32bit EFI?
[03:40] <ShellcatZero> lordcirth_: How should I check?  I believe the processor is 64bit, and it is already dual booted with Win10 and Ubuntu 16.04 (I was hoping to do a live cd install of 18.04)
[03:40] <lordcirth_> ShellcatZero, oh, if 16.04 installed normally in EFI mode, then it's not that
[03:41] <ShellcatZero> kantlivelong: Is that command for me?
[03:41] <kantlivelong> ShellcatZero: nah
[03:42] <kantlivelong> ShellcatZero: are you using nvidia?
[03:43] <ShellcatZero> kantlivelong: I don't think so, it's a laptop with integrated (Intel) graphics
[03:43] <kantlivelong> ShellcatZero: just wanted to check before you wasted time with EFI
[03:46] <ShellcatZero> I think I can do like a debootstrap install from Knoppix but I really didn't want to go that way, and I was worried that the EFI boot problem might persist post-install
[03:46] <kantlivelong> cant use legacy?
[03:47] <ShellcatZero> legacy?
[03:47] <lordcirth_> BIOS mode
[03:47] <ShellcatZero> it is already in legacy
[03:47] <kantlivelong> if it was then you wouldnt be booting an EFI image
[03:47] <ShellcatZero> hmm
[03:48] <lordcirth_> It might have both enabled
[03:48] <ShellcatZero> Inside Ubuntu, what commands can I run to check?
[03:48] <ShellcatZero> I just booted into 16.04 to try to diagnose this
[03:49] <lordcirth_> ShellcatZero, ls /sys/firmware/efi
[03:50] <ShellcatZero> Gives me "no such file or directory"
[03:50] <lordcirth_> then you're booted in BIOS mode
[03:51] <ShellcatZero> is that the correct mode?
[03:51] <lordcirth_> well, it's working?
[03:51] <ShellcatZero> Still can't boot to any live cd
[03:52] <ShellcatZero> Except Knoppix, the issue is that I wanted to do a live cd install of 18.04
[03:52] <lordcirth_> Probably it's booting EFI and breaking for some reason.  Try setting it to Legacy only.
[03:52] <ShellcatZero> lordcirth_: From the BIOS settings?
[03:52] <lordcirth_> Yes
[03:53] <ShellcatZero> lordcirth_: is that not the same thing as TPM Security Chip?
[03:53] <lordcirth_> Nope
[03:55] <ShellcatZero> lordcirth_: I think legacy is the only thing this system supports.  This is a Fujitsu T901 from 2011
[03:56] <WoC> Might be an early UEFI
[03:56] <lordcirth_> ShellcatZero, then it's weird that it would *try* to boot EFI and fail
[04:00] <ShellcatZero> lordcirth_: I'm really at a loss, everything I see tells me I'm running in legacy, but my live cds are all giving me EFI errors on boot.
[04:03] <ShellcatZero> Should I file a bug report?
[04:04] <lordcirth_> ShellcatZero, probably - though after looking for existing ones first.  Even if you are doing something wrong, that's at minimum a documentation error.
[04:05] <ShellcatZero> Ok, thanks lordcirth_.  Gotta hand it to Knoppix to throw and EFI error and then still proceed to boot.  Thank god for Knoppix.
[04:13] <Bashing-om> WoC: lotuspsychje Is in the channel. might be able to pick his brain on what to install on the phone :)
[04:15] <WoC> Ty, Bashing-om, appreciated
[04:16] <WoC> lotuspsychje, any suggestions as to Pixel 3 XL and installing Linux ?
[04:17] <Bashing-om> WoC: As phones are not on-topic here .. how about asking lotuspsychje in #ubuntu-discuss channel ?
[04:17] <WoC> or anything not android ?
[04:17] <WoC> k :)
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> yes join in discuss plz
[04:50] <ShellcatZero> lordcirth_: Would you describe the error as BIOS being mistaken as UEFI when booting into a live cd environment?
[04:50] <lordcirth_> ShellcatZero, I would stick to the symptom you actually see.
[04:53] <ShellcatZero> lordcirth_: Ok, I've searched through the open bugs and haven't found anything like my issue
[05:19] <OpenSorce> This seems like a no-brainer. How do I make ubuntu route my sound to my USB headset when I plug it in? Every other device I have on every other OS (Win, OSX, Android) does this. I know how to change it manually but the devices I want to do this are operated by kids. They don't need to play around in PA controls just to use a headset. Any help?
[05:54] <ShellcatZero> I just filed the UEFI bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1810070
[06:05] <xdruppi> is it a bad idea to install google chrome on ubuntu 18-04.1 LTS? the reason im asking is, I don't want my system to break, and I want to mostly use apt if i need something, so, is it safe?
[06:05] <xdruppi> i could use chromium but i'd like to have the things chrome has
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> xdruppi: in most cases we dont reccomend adding external ppa's to your system
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> xdruppi: but you are the owner of your system, if you need chrome install it
[06:11] <xdruppi> lotuspsychje: thanks for your answer, i don't know, i think i'll keep it safe and install chromium instead
[06:11] <ShellcatZero> xdruppi: Just curious, what does chrome have that chromium doesn't?  I was under the impression that they were the same
[06:12] <xdruppi> ShellcatZero: chrome has propietary software in it, i don't remember the details, but it's a few things that could be useful to most people, also chrome gets updated independently
[06:12] <pragmaticenigma> ShellcatZero: Google Chrome includes proprietary code, as well as things like Adobe Flash player and other binary components
[06:12] <xdruppi> by google devs
[06:12] <ShellcatZero> Ah, ok
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | ShellcatZero did you read here?
[06:25] <ShellcatZero> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure how that is relevant to a non-UEFI machine, but yes, I have gone over it
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> ShellcatZero: so your machine dualboots with win10 and doesnt have uefi?
[06:28] <ShellcatZero> lotuspsychje: correct
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> ShellcatZero: i would try to play with bios settings and test an ubuntu singleboot
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> ShellcatZero: updating bios to latest is also a good idea, and maybe test lubuntu/xubuntu iso's too
[06:40] <ShellcatZero> lotuspsychje: I have done all of those things, actually (used lubuntu rather than xubuntu).  Have a look at the bug report, the OSes are each on their own disk rather than sharing disks.
[06:41] <ShellcatZero> lotuspsychje: I'm checking for BIOS updates, that's the only thing in question, but the system is supposedly known to not be UEFI capable
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> ShellcatZero: there should at least be some bios settings you can setup to lake ubuntu boot properly
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> make
[06:44] <ShellcatZero> lotuspsychje: The only issue is with the live cd image, and at one time the live cd image worked (I think it was first installed with 14.04)
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> ShellcatZero: i didnt came across many machines that cant install ubuntu or flavors of it
[06:46] <ShellcatZero> lotuspsychje: It is pretty crazy, Knoppix 8.2 boots, but throws an EFI error before doing so.
[06:46] <pragmaticenigma> ShellcatZero: you mentioned you updated your BIOS, did you make sure that settings within the BIOS didn't get flipped?
[06:48] <ShellcatZero> pragmaticenigma: I'm checking for BIOS updates, but I'm pretty sure it was updated to its latest version prior to the 14.04 install years ago
[06:49] <pragmaticenigma> ShellcatZero: you also mentioned the OSes are on separate drives. Where you recently in the machine possibly swapped some cables around by accident?
[06:52] <pragmaticenigma> nm, since you have a bug report, I'd wait on that for further help. better than through wild guesses at it
[06:52] <ShellcatZero> pragmaticenigma: No, the disks have not been serviced recently (this is also a laptop).
[06:53] <ShellcatZero> The BIOS is indeed on the latest version
[07:32] <tatertots> ShellcatZero: you said you tried different "flavors" of ubuntu 18.04 and had the same symptom(s), did you try 16.04?
[07:42] <ShellcatZero> tatertots: Not the live cd, no.  I can probably try later versions until I find one that works, that's a good idea.  I think 14.04 was the first version installed on this system.
[08:02] <ShellcatZero> tatertots: Interestingly, 16.04 has the same problem but 14.04 will successfully boot after displaying the same error message.  I'll update the bug report accordingly
[08:12] <ShellcatZero> tatertots: correction, 16.04 succeeds, but 16.04.5 fails, so the bug was created sometime during 16.04
[08:45] <pragomer> i fresh installed ubuntu 18.04 on a tuxedo computer. now I am at login screen (gdm), and the screen reacts totally slow, even if I input my password it tries to go to gnome desktop but then returns to login screen. all is very laggy. what could this be?
[08:50] <Ool> pragomer: I don't know what is a tuxedo computer, but perhaps you need a graphical driver (nvidia). can you log into a tty (crtl+alt+F3) ? the command ubuntu-drivers list may help
[08:51] <Ool> pragomer: you can check in a terminal what is your graphical card: lspci |grep -i vga
[08:51] <pragomer> tuxedo computers is a german provider of linux compatible hardware ;-)
[08:52] <pragomer> I tried recovery mode from grub, but even then (from the ncursed menu on) the pc doesnt react anymore
[08:52] <pragomer> its like it would be a wrong kernel
[08:52] <Ool> or lspci -nn |grep -i vga if you want the unique number
[08:54] <pragomer> actually installing it again, just to be sure
[08:54] <pragomer> live system works fine
[08:57] <Ool> usually when you return to login screen (with the good password) , it's because you have problem to find in RW your $HOME, or problem with the graphical cards
[08:59] <Ool> sometimes you can see something in the log files (/var/log/syslog /var/log/Xorg.0.log and of curse with journalctl command )
[08:59] <pragomer> mm, I now have made an identical install again and it works now... so it should only have been a copying error while installation
[08:59] <Ool> if it's work find now :)
[09:21] <oldboy2019> Hello World !
[09:24] <firelegend> Hello all. I am on Ubuntu 18.10 x64 with kernel 4.19.0-041900-generic on a laptop. I've been experiencing a very slow boot upwards of 2 minutes I'd say before I can interact with the GUI. Now the laptop is with a slow 5400rpm drive so it explains some things, it's been like this since day one even on 18.04. But still, analyzing critical-chain it says that /boot/efi loading takes 27 seconds. Is this normal?
[09:25] <firelegend> Here is critical-chain https://pastebin.com/DvAiyNk0
[09:25] <tomreyn> firelegend: why this kernel?
[09:26] <firelegend> I usually roll with the latest.
[09:26] <firelegend> I must clarify that I dual-boot with Windows, so I have several partitions in total.
[09:27] <tomreyn> do you have the same happen with the default kernel?
[09:27] <firelegend> Yes.
[09:27] <firelegend> Since 18.04
[09:27] <firelegend> with a wide range of kernels.
[09:27] <tomreyn> is the system fully patched otherwise?
[09:28] <firelegend> from default for 18.04 lts to many versions upwards
[09:28] <firelegend> Yes it is
[09:28] <ducasse> firelegend: you do understand that kernel is unsupported, right?
[09:28] <firelegend> I did not know, no. But I am sure rolling back to the old one would yield the same bootup time as has before.
[09:29] <tomreyn> sure as in you actually tried?
[09:29] <firelegend> Yes
[09:29] <firelegend> as I have.
[09:30] <firelegend> Even 18.04 default kernel yielded the same bootup time
[09:30] <Mughal56> firelegend: what are the specs of the laptop?  CPU, memory?
[09:30] <firelegend> corei7 8300h, 8gb ram, gtx 1050 4GB vram.
[09:30] <firelegend> 1TB 5400 rpm hdd
[09:30] <tomreyn> and a 5400 rpm hdd? that's a bad combo indeed
[09:30] <tomreyn> can you post dmesg?
[09:31] <tomreyn> did you install proprietary nvidia drivers?
[09:32] <firelegend> I did. However the GPU used a lot of battery fast, so I switched to the integrated intel one
[09:33] <firelegend> dmesg log https://pastebin.com/AeP8WeW4
[09:34] <tomreyn> do you know the impact these boot parameters have?
[09:35] <firelegend> I do.
[09:35] <firelegend> They would allow  sidechannels that could quietly extract sensitive information.
[09:35] <firelegend> From say a web browser
[09:36] <firelegend> I've gone to great lengths to improve performance.
[09:37] <tomreyn> since everybody under the sun nowadays expects spectre workarounds to be in place on newer kernel versions, opting out of them might also adversely impact performance nowadays. not sure.
[09:37] <firelegend> However since the bios is the latest it likely already uses the latest microcode update either way.
[09:37] <firelegend> It's quite the opposite I believe.
[09:38] <firelegend> They incur performance because  they disable the flawed speculative execution.
[09:38] <firelegend> Usually metrics say not a lot.
[09:38] <firelegend> But in some instances, a lot.
[09:38] <tomreyn> my point is that anyone optimizes anything against the new defaults (workaround enabled) nowadays.
[09:38] <firelegend> Especially a newer patch since 4.19 or 4.20
[09:39] <firelegend> which was deemed to cause too great of a performance penalty and was disabled by default I think
[09:39] <tomreyn> but i think the real issue you see there is acpi
[09:39] <firelegend> Now that you mention ACPI
[09:39] <firelegend> There are a bunch of messages that stay on screen for I'd say 30-40 seconds
[09:39] <firelegend> Something about opcode patching
[09:40] <tomreyn> have a look at line 294 and following of what you posted
[09:43] <firelegend> I can see the many ACPI errors,  yes.
[09:43] <firelegend> But not sure what could be done about them.
[09:44] <ducasse> i'd ask tj if he drops in later today
[09:44] <tomreyn> if this is a Legion Y530 model 81FV0013US then here's a newer bios update:  https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/en/products/LAPTOPS-AND-NETBOOKS/LEGION-SERIES/LEGION-Y530-15ICH/81FV/81FV0013US/PF18LJ8N/downloads/DS503758
[09:46] <tomreyn> latest bios version is 8JCN49WW, yours is currently 8JCN43WW
[09:47] <firelegend> I will have to dualboot to update it
[09:47] <tomreyn> the changelog (over just the previous version) lists no ACPI bug fixes but: [important] Update includes some security fixed issue(CP20180928_0003 & CP20180928_0004);
[09:47] <firelegend> But you can see they dont officially support linux
[09:47] <tomreyn> hardly anyone does
[09:48] <firelegend> Alright I shall come back later after I update it
[09:51] <tomreyn> firelegend: good luck, and post another dmesg once you did.
[09:51] <firelegend> alright
[09:51] <firelegend> thanks
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> ShellcatZero: next time you file a bug, use ubuntu-bug package please, relevant info is now missing for the devs
[10:02] <tomreyn> this can still be done using: apport-collect bugid
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> ah nice1
[10:11] <firelegend> Alright, so I updated the bios
[10:11] <firelegend> https://termbin.com/n4zh critical-chain
[10:13] <tamarind> having trouble with sorting out the path of with Ubuntu18 and python. Have reinstalled the entire OS basically cause i screwed up by removing all python3 packages earlier :P
[10:13] <firelegend> And dmesg log https://pastebin.com/p1qUYU9u
[10:13] <firelegend> Same thing
[10:13] <firelegend> I also see network manager wait service adds 20 seconds of wait time
[10:13] <tamarind> I am trying to install and use this https://github.com/louisabraham/ffpass  and i understood python3 is default installed in ubuntu18 and i just installed pip3 using apt-get install python3-pip
[10:13] <firelegend> I tried disabling the service
[10:13] <firelegend> but it's back each time
[10:14] <tamarind> and then did pip install ffpass and it got installed without errors. but when i type ffpass in the terminal it says ffpass: command not found
[10:14] <tamarind> I understand this must be some glitch with the path, but not sure what is it - need help please
[10:15] <firelegend> Holy hell, run-user-1000.mount @2min 5.641s
[10:15] <firelegend> thats a lot
[10:15] <firelegend> Gives me total boot time of nearly 4 minutes
[10:16] <tomreyn> firelegend: you can try this, pretend to be windows while talking to acpi http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[10:17] <tomreyn> tamarind: there is no such thing as "Ubuntu18"
[10:17] <firelegend> I could try that
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> tamarind: if you need a package, we reccomend to install it from the ubuntu repos: apt-cache search keyword
[10:18] <firelegend> And do you know what run-user-1000.mount is and why it would take over 2 minutes to complete?
[10:18] <Mughal56> firelegend: can you describe your network setup?
[10:19] <firelegend> Wifi
[10:20] <Mughal56> firelegent: wifi to what type of AP?  is this a home network to a router/firewall/AP combo unit?
[10:20] <firelegend> It is a router yes.
[10:20] <firelegend> With DHCP enabled.
[10:20] <tomreyn> firelegend: personally i'll not spend more time on this until you're running the default kernel, posted another dmesg form that kernel and tried the acpi workarounds i pointed to.
[10:21] <tomreyn> ...without any extra boot parameters
[10:22] <firelegend> I could try that.
[10:22] <firelegend> What was the exact default kernel version for 18.10?
[10:23] <tomreyn> tamarind: just a side note: you can have pip (and pip3) install packages just for your own user account. this can help with not 'polluting' the system's python.
[10:23] <firelegend> Exactly 4.18 or some minor version of 4.18
[10:23] <tomreyn> firelegend: just install the package?
[10:23] <tamarind> tomreyn, its ubuntu bionic 18.04 LTS
[10:24] <tamarind> lotuspsychje, python3-pip is in the package manager list
[10:24] <tamarind> tomreyn, how can i do that ?
[10:25] <firelegend> So sudo apt-get install linux-generic, which yields 4.18.0.10
[10:25] <tamarind> how can i have pip3 for my own user account tomreyn
[10:25] <firelegend> 4.18.0.11-generic,
[10:26] <firelegend> I will remove the spectre mitigations and kpti boot params, but the others must stay on
[10:26] <firelegend> the i915 alpha support nvidia modeset, at least thats how I get stuff working, e.g gpu
[10:27] <tomreyn> tamarind: pip3 install --user <packagename>
[10:27] <tomreyn> tamarind: pip3 itself you can install globally
[10:27] <tomreyn> (using the ubuntu package)
[10:29] <tamarind> done, installed pip3 install --user ffpass, having the pip3 globally
[10:29] <tomreyn> firelegend: i915.alpha_support=1 nvidia-drm.modeset=1 and vt.handoff=1 you can keep, right
[10:29] <tamarind> but when i execute ffpass it still says the command not found error
[10:30] <tamarind> should i add a path or something for the system to detect my local installation of packages ?
[10:30] <tomreyn> tamarind: this was just a general python hint, not a way to overcome this issue you inquired about.
[10:30] <tomreyn> tamarind: how do you "execute ffpass" and what is the output?
[10:31] <tamarind> tomreyn, thanks, it makes sense to have them seperately. How do you activate or use the packages in general that you have installed only for local user ?
[10:31] <firelegend> Alright, rebooting now.
[10:32] <tamarind> tomreyn, just by typing "ffpass --help" and enter in the terminal
[10:32] <tamarind> which gives command not found error
[10:33] <tamarind> tomreyn, pip3 freeze | grep ffpass gives me the version installed. how do i know if this is locally installed or globally ?
[10:34] <tomreyn> tamarind: add .local/bin/ to your $PATH
[10:34] <tomreyn> "which pip3" returns which command will be run by the same user in the same environment when they type "pip3"
[10:36] <tomreyn> to add .local/bin/ to your $PATH, you can edit .profile
[10:36] <tomreyn> and add:
[10:36] <tomreyn> # set PATH so it includes user's private bin directories
[10:36] <tomreyn> PATH="$HOME/bin:$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH"
[10:36] <tamarind> tomreyn, there seems to be no folders called .local/bin/ inside $HOME if thats what you meant. is this ok ?
[10:37] <tamarind> naah sorry my bad there is one
[10:37] <tomreyn> tamarind: it should be there if you had pip3 install and build ffpass in the user environment
[10:40] <firelegend> Alright, running the default kernel + acpi hack and no mitigations disabled
[10:40] <firelegend> https://termbin.com/3t28
[10:40] <firelegend> Startup finished in 9.148s (firmware) + 1min 8.524s (loader) + 5.813s (kernel) + 1min 41.484s (userspace) = 3min 4.970s
[10:40] <tomreyn> firelegend: good, so just replace the hdd by an ssd now.
[10:41] <firelegend> https://pastebin.com/iDu2uqhX
[10:41] <firelegend> Well not replace, but run alongside
[10:41] <firelegend> the OS on an SSD
[10:41] <tomreyn> yes if you have space for both
[10:42] <tomreyn> the acpi errors are still there
[10:42] <firelegend> Looks like it's just an incompatibility between the laptop and linux
[10:42] <tomreyn> so either "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" is not the right one, or the bios is just very broken
[10:45] <tamarind> tomreyn, https://www.pastiebin.com/5c28a19236cfe   so you are saying that the lines 31 and 32 had to be added to the .profile so that the path confusion is fixed ?
[10:46] <firelegend> I could try an older windows osi
[10:46] <tamarind> tomreyn, echo $PATH right now gives me this => /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin
[10:46] <firelegend> maybe even try and disable any legacy bios stuff
[10:48] <tomreyn> tamarind: actually what you have on lines 24 to 27 is sufficient, you can remove lines 31 and 32,
[10:49] <tomreyn> tamarind: you will need to logout and login to apply the changes, or do it manually by exporting the new path.
[10:49] <tomreyn> i.e.: export PATH="$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH"
[10:50] <tomreyn> this will only update the PATH in the very virtual terminal you run it in though.
[10:52] <tamarind> tomreyn, you are awesome ! manual export and ffpass on terminal worked !
[10:52] <tamarind> so i need to log out of the system and login so that the change is permanent is it ?
[10:52] <tamarind> tomreyn, ^
[10:53] <tomreyn> tamarind: correct
[10:55] <tomreyn> firelegend: snapd takes a while to load on your system. you could look into uninstalling packages you don't require or replacing them by deb's
[10:55] <tamarind> thanks tomreyn, will do it now
[10:55] <tamarind> Wishing you a good day
[10:55] <tomreyn> tamarind: same to you, good luck
[11:41] <Rovanion> Hi, do-release-upgrade cancels itself after it's fetched bionic.tar, read cache, checked the package manager, read package lists, built dependency tree, read state information, read package lists, built dependency tree, read state information. After that it says Restoring original system state. This is running in a TTY. I never get the chance to say Yes or No to an upgrade.
[11:42] <tomreyn> Rovanion: there should be a log in /var/log/dist-upgrade you can post
[11:43] <tomreyn> main.log and maybe apt.log, too
[11:43] <tomreyn> !paste
[11:44] <Rovanion> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YVRgjKzV28/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sDMPQf64Vd/ respectively.
[11:46] <tomreyn> Rovanion: i686 is not supported anyomre.
[11:47] <Rovanion> Really? Well that's unfortunate.
[11:48] <tomreyn> Rovanion: this is a simplified statement, please refer to the release notes
[11:48] <tomreyn> !releasenotes
[11:52] <Rovanion> tomreyn: Can't find anything on 32-bit intel in the release notes for 18.04. Only 32-bit PPC.
[11:52] <Rovanion> Looking at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[11:53] <tomreyn> Other highlights since 16.04 LTS
[11:53] <tomreyn>     32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop.
[11:54] <tomreyn> admittedly this is not the same as saying "upgrades are no longer supported", but i think this was disabled, too.
[11:55] <Rovanion> But the repos are still there?
[11:55] <tomreyn> note that 32-bit x86 is still supported on some of the other flavours
[11:55] <guiverc_d> Rovanion, some flavors (eg. xubuntu, lubuntu..) had x86 (32bit) images; and you still can do-release-upgrade to 18.04
[11:56] <guiverc_d> (thoe flavors did drop support , the last two only very recently so no 19.04 ISOs in x86 even for flavors)
[11:56] <guiverc_d> s/thoe/those
[11:57] <Rovanion> There's no way to jump over to the 64-bit release in the upgrade? This machine has a 64-bit CPU, I just used the 32-bit release back in the day to save RAM at the cost of CPU cycles.
[11:58] <guiverc_d> switching from x86 to x86_64 requires a re-install
[11:58] <tomreyn> Rovanion: have you considered running amd64 on this system instead? most T61 models come with CPUs which can handle the instruction set.
[11:59] <tomreyn> on the other hand, these cpus aren't going to receive any meltdown / spectre fixes from intel.
[11:59] <Rovanion> tomreyn: Yes, see my last message. Would want to jump ship in the upgrade if that's possible.
[12:00] <tomreyn> Rovanion: yes, but reinstallation is needed to switch architectures.
[12:00] <Rovanion> My grandmothers computer usage seems benign enough that she should be OK with an ad-blocker enabled, could turn off HT I guess.
[12:00] <konrados> Hello! I tried on ##linux but... maybe it's ubuntu specific? Why when I'm doing `locate -r "system.?"` it just somehow... doesn't work o.O? I have trillions of matching files, plus it does work with e.g `locate -r "system.*"` or just `locate -r "system"` - why would `locate` have a problem with the `?` in regex? btw and jwiw, -r matches anywhere in the name.
[12:02] <konrados> I do have files having 'system' in the name... I have millions of them...
[12:03] <konrados> it seems like `locate` has a problem with the ? special character?
[12:03] <Rovanion> konrados: Check which flavour of regexes it expects.
[12:03] <tomreyn> konrados: does this report any hits? locate -r 'system.?'
[12:04] <tomreyn> konrados: alternatively, this? locate --regex 'system.?'
[12:04] <guiverc_d> konrados, ? matches any character - if you want regex you need to --regex (otherwise it's seen only as a glob) - see `man locate`
[12:04] <guiverc_d> sorry - my mistake konrados
[12:05] <konrados> np :)
[12:05] <konrados> tomreyn, no, the 'system.?' doesn't work either
[12:05] <konrados> Rovanion, is there any flavour which do not understand '?'?
[12:06] <tomreyn> konrados: so both of these dont produce any results?
[12:06] <konrados> wait!
[12:06] <konrados> tomreyn, the --regex works...
[12:06] <konrados> opening man...
[12:07] <tomreyn> ^ wrong order of tasks
[12:07] <konrados> the ? is only in.... "extended" regex? I would never think about that... I really thought what I'm doing wrong is lying somewhere else
[12:08] <konrados> like maybe the path shell expansion happening before it hits the command
[12:08] <konrados> sorry.... I did my best though
[12:08] <konrados> tomreyn, Rovanion guiverc_d - thank you!!!
[12:08] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[12:21] <konrados> so... the -r supports 'regexp' which is 'Basic Regular Expression', so, whenever I read about regular expressions I am supposed to suppose this is 'basic regex'?  And - where is it described, when I google 'basic regular expression' I find the 'basics of regex':) And when I found 'basic regex' like here: https://www.arubanetworks.com/techdocs/ArubaOS_63_Web_Help/Content/ArubaFrameStyles/ESI/Basic_Regular_Expression.htm it says it does support
[12:21] <konrados> '?'... so where can I read about it?
[12:22] <konrados> I didn't know there is yet another flavour, I thought we have 'globbing', 'regex', 'pcre' and this javascript version and that all :)
[12:23] <tomreyn> there are multiple flavours / syntaxes of regular expressions, named by the programming / scripting languages these variants were first used in.
[12:24] <tomreyn> the grep man page provides s short overview, i think
[12:24] <konrados> tomreyn, so, where can I read about this... something used by `locate`
[12:24] <konrados> ah
[12:24] <konrados> ok, I'll see the man grep, thanks
[12:24] <konrados> !
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:15] <lipe66> so what is your preffered irc client?
[13:16] <westor> adiirc
[13:16] <Rovanion> weechat
[13:16] <kk4ewt> hexchat
[13:18] <bkfld> Hey!
[13:18] <bodiccea> hexchat / emacs
[13:21] <bkfld> Hey! anybody around?
[13:21] <Rovanion> !ask
[13:22] <BluesKaj> bkfld,^
[15:08] <kirinito> hello, is it possible for my remote ubuntu to connect to PIA vpn using their software, make an openvpn server and have my local installation of windows use that? would it go through double encryption or something?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> kirinito, PIA provides a sock5 proxy server which is very fast and unthrottled, you might want to look into that
[15:13] <kirinito> they also have l2tp
[15:14] <kirinito> but they say on their site that it's just for hiding ip and not any sort of encryption
[15:16] <tomreyn> kirinito: unless that's a https connection, that's correct.
[15:17] <kirinito> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/archive/forum/discussion/21638/p1
[15:18] <tomreyn> none of this is really ubuntu related, so you may want to move to #uubntu-offtopic if you would liek to talk more about this
[15:20] <kirinito> does help making an openvpn server for my ubuntu not count as on-topic?
[15:20] <leftyfb>  kirinito https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-16-04
[15:21] <kirinito> i guess i'll try this guide again :)
[15:25] <Ascavasaion> I have installed ubuntu on a very old laptop.  Everything seems to run okayish... but it is not able to use WiFi.  I have done an lspci and I get the following "0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)".  I think it is  matter of installing a legacy driver for broadcom, but when I Google I get sites that explain installing firmware and drivers, but none of them are in the repositories when I do sudo
[15:25] <Ascavasaion> apt install whateverpackagename.  Would someone please give me a pointer please?
[15:28] <OpenSorce> Ascavasaion, di you do this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/11993/how-do-i-install-bcm4312-wireless-drivers
[15:28] <OpenSorce> *did
[15:29] <OpenSorce> Ascavasaion, I had a very old lappy with an old BCM chip. It worked for me.
[15:29] <Ascavasaion> OpenSorce: Yes, it says that it is unable to locate the packages
[15:31] <ioria> Ascavasaion, you need to use b43-fwcutter
[15:31] <ioria> Ascavasaion, with firmware-b43-installer, i mean
[15:32] <Ascavasaion> ioria: Unable to find the packages
[15:32] <bodiccea> Ascavasaion, what gives "rfkill list" ?
[15:32] <ioria> !info b43-fwcutter
[15:32] <OpenSorce> Ascavasaion, oh wait. Yours is a low power chip... have you tried 'sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer'
[15:33] <Ascavasaion> bodiccea: It gives nothing, returns to command prompt
[15:34] <ioria> Ascavasaion, you chip exactly :  lspci -nn -d 14e4:
[15:36] <ioria> Ascavasaion, and what cmd tells you 'Unable to find the packages' ?
[15:40] <Ascavasaion> Sorry about that... I disconnected
[15:40] <Ascavasaion> Last thing I said was... (17:35:33) elflord: ioria: "0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Limited BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)"\
[15:41] <ioria> Ascavasaion, firmware-b43-installer  already tried ?
[15:41] <Ascavasaion> ioria: YEs... Also unable to find package
[15:41] <ioria>  !info firmware-b43-installer
[15:42] <ioria> Ascavasaion, as you see, the pkg is available
[15:42] <ioria> Ascavasaion, enablemultiverse maybe
[15:42] <Ascavasaion> ioria: I meant that with sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer it returns unable to find package
[15:43] <Ascavasaion> Let me try
[15:43] <ioria> Ascavasaion,  paste apt-cache policy firmware-b43-installer
[15:45] <Ascavasaion> helen@helen-Inspiron-1525:~/Downloads$ sudo apt-cache policy firmware-b43-installer
[15:45] <Ascavasaion> N: Unable to locate package firmware-b43-installer
[15:45] <ioria> Ascavasaion,  enablemultiverse
[15:46] <tomreyn> kirinito: sure, this would be, sorry, didn't mean to discourage this.
[15:48] <ioria> Ascavasaion,  sudo add-apt-repository multiverse  and sudo apt update
[15:51] <Ascavasaion> ioria: Multiverse already enabled it says
[15:51] <Rovanion> Ascavasaion: sudo apt-get update
[15:51] <kirinito> :/
[15:53] <kirinito> tomreyn: do u know which one is better in terms of security? l2tp/ipsec vs socsk
[15:53] <kirinito> socks5*
[15:57] <Ascavasaion> okay... yay!  it did apt-get install firmware-b43-installer.  Do I need to reboot to get it to work?
[15:58] <Ascavasaion> Do I still need to install b43-fwcutter?
[15:59] <Ascavasaion> b43-fwcutteris already installed
[16:01] <tomreyn> kirinito: this depends much on the implementation, i guess. also you may care about privacy, not 'just' security. if so, be sure to take both factors into account when evaluating the implementation.
[16:02] <kirinito> which would you choose for all around better
[16:03] <OpenSorce> Lubuntu 16.04 Okay, so I've finally got pa to switch to my USB headset when I insert it, but it needs me to restart whatever app is playing sound for that to take effect. Is there a way to do it on the fly?
[16:03] <Ascavasaion> Enabling Additional Drivers.... Broadcom STA wireless dirver.
[16:03] <Ascavasaion> driver
[16:03] <tomreyn> kirinito: for the average use case of 'increase privacy', probably the vpn. but it's difficult to discuss this generally, it also depends on your use case.
[16:04] <tomreyn> kirinito: ...and very much on what the server offers.
[16:04] <kirinito> okay, thanks
[16:17] <TechMonger> how do i view a folder of pictures... as pictures
[16:17] <TechMonger> like the icons
[16:18] <TechMonger> i just get a gray box that says JPG
[16:18] <TechMonger> i have way too many pictures to view them one by one
[16:19] <ioria> TechMonger, ubuntu-restricted-extras already installed ?
[16:20] <TechMonger> ioria, i dont know what that is
[16:20] <ioria> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:20] <ioria> TechMonger, it's a pkg
[16:21] <ioria> TechMonger, install it and reboot
[16:21] <TechMonger> installing...
[16:22] <TechMonger> i have to reboot?
[16:22] <TechMonger> lame
[16:22] <ioria> yes
[16:22] <TechMonger> cant i just restart gnome or something
[16:22] <ioria> TechMonger, logout /login
[16:22] <TechMonger> ah
[16:26] <TechMonger> nope
[16:27] <TechMonger> still grey JPG icons
[16:28] <ioria> TechMonger, file  image.xxx and paste the output
[16:29] <EriC^^> TechMonger: try installing gwenview
[16:29] <CookieM> maybe you should enable preview in nautilus’ preferences
[16:29] <TechMonger> https://askubuntu.com/questions/539902/how-can-i-view-thumbnails-of-pictures
[16:29] <TechMonger> this worked
[16:30] <TechMonger> CookieM, yup
[16:31] <ioria> TechMonger,  what version of ubuntru ?
[16:31] <TechMonger> the current one
[16:31] <TechMonger> what cookieM said worked
[16:31] <ioria> TechMonger,  that is for 14.04
[16:32] <ioria> anyway
[16:33] <IniGit> hi
[16:33] <IniGit> I know this is not the right channel, but maybe somebody knows an answer. gnupg irc is nor very active and on google I do not find an answer.
[16:33] <IniGit> gpg --encrypt-to name
[16:33] <IniGit> can somebody decipher for me the documentation of this option?
[16:34] <IniGit> possibly with examples
[16:34] <IniGit> The text of the docu means nothing to me
[16:34] <IniGit> or better said explains nothing to me
[16:36] <hggdh> IniGit: https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/
[16:37] <IniGit> hggdh: You mean I should aks in the mailing list?
[16:38] <hggdh> IniGit: I mean all GPG docs are there
[16:39] <IniGit> hggdh: yeah but the documentation of that option is so short and the guy who wrote it has a very strange way of explaining things at least for me
[16:39] <TechMonger> ioria, CookieM thanks for the assistance
[16:39] <IniGit> hggdh: SOme parts of his text I start to understand after testing around a bit and some party simply make no sense at all
[16:39] <IniGit> hggdh: He could be alittle more detailed in a documentation imo
[16:40] <IniGit> hggdh: At least at something mission critical like gpg
[16:46] <Reign_> guys, anyone tried x11 forwarding from ubuntu to windows via tunnel (another ubuntu host)? When I x11 forward from the first host it works fine, but when I make another jump it doesn't not sure what am I missing? My putty proxy command looks like this: plink -x -ssh -agent -l %user %proxyhost -nc %host:%port
[16:46] <Reign_> x11 forwarding is set to yes on both hosts
[16:47] <Reign_> getting: Error: Can't open display:
[16:54] <tomreyn> Reign_: re-read the plink man page
[16:54] <tomreyn> -X
[16:54] <tomreyn>     Enable X11 forwarding.
[16:54] <tomreyn> -x
[16:54] <tomreyn>     Disable X11 forwarding (default).
[16:55] <AuroraAvenue> Does this even vorkle?
[16:55] <AuroraAvenue> https://omgfoss.com/install-flatpak-ubuntu/
[16:58] <Reign_> tomreyn: indeed, thanks! tho this didn't help, any other ideas?
[17:00] <tomreyn> Reign_: no. putty's GUI has an X forwarding option somewhere down below, you could eperiment with that.
[17:04] <Reign_> tomreyn: I know, connection->ssh->x11, forwarding is marked as on
[17:06] <CookieM> TechMonger, no probs
[17:26] <zutat> good evening. how to easily remove gnome 3 packages from 18.04 system? is there some core package i could use as a starting point?
[17:27] <Rovanion> zutat: Brute force method: apt remove gnome*
[17:31] <ioria> zutat, if you want to remove gnome3 from 18.04 , maybe the -desktop version was not what you intended ?
[17:31] <CookieM> …or use a dedicated ubuntu flavor with preferred user interface
[17:34] <zutat> ioria: yes. it didn't quite fit the purprose
[17:35] <ioria> zutat, maybe if you explain your purpose, someone could give an advice
[17:43] <arec> Hi, pulseaudio only had an dummy output after upgrading from 18.04 to 18.10. It worked again after I disabled the timidity-service. How have I to configure timididy to work beside pulseaudio?
[17:47] <zutat> Rovanion: actually, that method isn't as rough as it looks like. worked quite well :)
[17:56] <on3pk> So, kind of a dumb question.  There is a user in the /etc/passwd file that I don't recognize.  Is there a way to determine whether it was created by some attacker or by an installed program/process?
[17:57] <teward> on3pk: without before and after images it might not be possible.  You can share the /etc/passwd line in question if you want
[17:57] <on3pk> edison:x:1002:1002::/home/edison:
[17:58] <tomreyn> does /home/edison exist and what's the timestamp?
[17:58] <teward> ^ this
[17:59] <on3pk> when I use ls in /home/, edison does not exist
[17:59] <on3pk> or at least I'm not seeing it
[17:59] <on3pk> bash: cd: /home/edison: No such file or directory
[18:00] <coz_> good day all
[18:01] <tomreyn> on3pk: zgrep edison /var/log/auth.log*
[18:02] <tomreyn> on3pk: so you're the sole admin on this system, right?
[18:02] <on3pk> Nothing comes up when I use that command
[18:02] <ioria> on3pk, also  last | grep "edison"    and  chage --list edison
[18:02] <on3pk> tomreyn, I *should* be.  This is a VPS
[18:03] <arec> but now I cannot listen to midis
[18:03] <tomreyn> on3pk: so if you don't remember creating this user then you should reinstall.
[18:03] <on3pk> Ok, it shows that the last password change was 2 years ago
[18:03] <tomreyn> on3pk: and restore verified safe / non compromised backups
[18:03] <on3pk> it's possible I did something then but can't remember.  Still probably reinstall though...
[18:04] <arec> at least in openttd the midi music is not working
[18:06] <TJ-> on3pk: is it possible 'edison' is part of the VPS provider's standard install images?
[18:06] <tomreyn> on3pk: i'd say so, also inform anyone whose data is / was stored on this system if it canhave been compromised. also change all password involved in managing this system, also if reused elsewhere (which you should not be doing).
[18:06] <on3pk> TJ-, it is possible.  That's probably about when I last reinstalled the image
[18:07] <on3pk> tomreyn, No user data is stored on the VPS.  It just runs a few daemons for me
[18:07] <TJ-> on3pk: before panicking then, I'd suggest checking with the provider (or look at the currently supplied images)
[18:08] <TJ-> on3pk: entries are appended to /etc/passwd so where it occurs in that file implies some information about when it happened - if there are entries after it that you added for example
[18:08] <hggdh> on3pk: also look for files owned by edison, see if edison is allowed sudo access, etc
[18:09] <TJ-> on3pk: as hggdh just borrowed the words I was typing! : "sudo find / -user edison -ls "
[18:10] <on3pk> "User edison is not allowed to run sudo on cloudvm."
[18:10] <on3pk> It's also possible I created the user and just plum forgot
[18:11] <TJ-> on3pk: how about searching the shell history if it exists? "grep edison $HOME/.bash_history"
[18:14] <on3pk> TJ-, something does come up, but it looks typical of the mistakes I tend to make
[18:14] <on3pk> invalid commands and whatnot
[18:15] <Kumool> can anybody check if the timidity service in 18.10 disables pulseaudio sound output devices?
[18:19] <ioria> Kumool, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/timidity#Daemon
[18:27] <amrgad> I'm having trouble installing bspwm on ubuntu, I followed the guide but it doesn't open when I log in and now I can't open any de and I can only use tty
[18:29] <zutat> amrgad: be more specific about installation method and ubuntu version
[18:31] <amrgad> latest ubuntu 18.10 and I followed the guide from bspwm for dummies page where I compile it from source
[18:32] <ioria> amrgad, ls -al ~/.Xauthority
[18:32] <amrgad> how can I copy the result from a different tty session?
[18:33] <ioria> amrgad, ls -al ~/.Xauthority  | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:34] <ioria> amrgad, or install gpm (mouse emulation with  click cp/paste utility)
[18:35] <amrgad> termbin.com/dmfr
[18:36] <ioria> amrgad, but the first advice is to rum  a 'sudo make  unistall'  , also because that pkg is already provided by the ubuntu repo
[18:36] <ioria> amrgad, ls /usr/share/xsessions/
[18:38] <amrgad> termbin.com/a9yf
[18:39] <ioria> amrgad, backup bspwm.desktop
[18:40] <amrgad> I did
[18:40] <ioria> amrgad, do you have also a ~/.xinitrc   file?
[18:41] <amrgad> nope
[18:42] <ioria> amrgad, what happens if you run   : sudo systemctl restart gdm ?
[18:42] <amosbird> Hello
[18:43] <amosbird> how can I make dbus listening to localhost tcp port too ?
[18:43] <amrgad> it works :D
[18:43] <amrgad> thanks, I guess I just needed to install it from apt not from source
[18:44] <ioria> amrgad, i advice for unistall that pkg, and check /etc/profile and your home .profile
[18:44] <amrgad> by running `sudo make uninstall`?
[18:45] <ioria> if provided, yes
[18:45] <amrgad> what do I need to check these files for?
[18:46] <ioria> amrgad, new export variables
[18:48] <amrgad> is bspwm a good wm or I should just go with i3?
[18:49] <ioria> i know i3 is very good
[18:50] <Kumool> thanks iori
[18:50] <amrgad> okay, thank you :D
[18:54] <ioria> no problem
[18:55] <OerHeks> si
[19:36] <fub> Hi. My apt update/upgrade always gets stuck when installing linux-headers. I figured out when passing DEBIAN_FRONTEND=nointeractive as env it does not get stuck. Is there any way to fix this?
[19:37] <Zteam> ubottu, !help
[19:39] <tomreyn> fub: anything in dmesg when it gets stuck?
[19:39] <fub> tomreyn: no, its just the interactive window which is not shown I guess
[19:40] <fub> the "terminal" window
[19:40] <OerHeks> a kernel could take some time building bits, does your caps lock still work?
[19:41] <Khaytsus> I've been assigned a laptop from work and they're standardizing around Ubuntu LTS..  It's 16.04.5, but I assume 18 is stable, any reasons I shouldn't update?  I don't know why they started with 16 and not 18, but ignore that, just asking about 16->18 LTS really.
[19:41] <fub> No I think its waiting for input from me, but I dont see the input dialog
[19:41] <ykaramian> Hi, if someone is interested, I've made a lightweight but complete desktop/laptop ubuntu remix => Check out - https://tuxlinux.com
[19:41] <Zteam> fub, I would try apt clean to clean out old cached packages, and disabling all thirdparty sources, too see what happens
[19:42] <fub> Zteam: no its not related to other sources, I tried that before.
[19:42] <OerHeks> ykaramian, please don't spam, thanks
[19:42] <fub> Its some strange dialog issue
[19:42] <dptc> does ubuntu use iBus by default?
[19:42] <fub> I think this was related to zsh
[19:42] <fub> I just updated so I dont know how I can reproduce this until the next time linux-headers needs an update again.
[19:44] <ykaramian> fub sudo apt dist-upgrade
[19:44] <Zteam> fub, reproducing will probably be easy, just do sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[19:45] <Zteam> fub, that will make apt reconfigure it
[19:46] <fub> Zteam: this works without a freeze.
[19:47] <fub> ykaramian: dist-upgrade: 0 packages to update
[19:49] <OerHeks> that would not trigger your issue with headers again, so you have to wait for next update
[19:49] <OerHeks> i wonder what dialog that should be
[19:57] <TJ-> fub: there should be a log in /var/log/apt/term.log
[20:14] <ellyacht> su password says permission denied, can I edit it in grub?
[20:19] <OerHeks> ellyacht, what are you trying to do?
[20:19] <OerHeks> !grub
[20:19] <ioria> ellyacht, and don't use su
[20:20] <EriC^^> ellyacht: use 'sudo -i' instead
[20:20] <CptLuxx> sudo su
[20:20] <CptLuxx> problem solved
[20:21] <ellyacht> can't I add rw init=/bin/bash and then use passwd username to change it
[20:22] <ioria> ellyacht, boot in recovery or single
[20:24] <ioria> ellyacht, but, honestly, we missed your real issue
[20:26] <ellyacht> ioria: I did do that and then changed it and then did startx to boot into DE and it freezes
[20:26] <ioria> ellyacht, and why your'r using startx ?
[20:28] <ellyacht> after I changed the password I needed to boot so instead of restarting I just used startx
[20:28] <ioria> ellyacht, no sense
[20:29] <Khaytsus> It's as much sense as ellyacht usually makes
[20:30] <ellyacht> Khaytsus: lol ty
[20:30] <OerHeks> so, just reboot to let it take effect?
[20:34] <on3pk> hey guys.  I remember where the edison user came from.  I wanted to give someone a little ssh access to the vps and made him a user.
[20:34] <on3pk> his name was edison
[20:34] <on3pk> >.>
[20:34] <rud0lf> the inventor of lightbulb?
[20:35] <rud0lf> he passed away long time ago, i'm sorry
[20:35] <on3pk> Different edison
[20:35] <ioria> lol
[20:36] <on3pk> specifically this edison was the inventor of grades in a class I was in at the time
[20:37] <ioria> i'am not sure if ssh access is possible without /bin/bash ... looking
[20:40] <nikh> Can anyone recommend me a good VPN to use with ubuntu?
[20:40] <nikh> I live in Sweden
[20:44] <OerHeks> VPN advise is beyond the scope of this channel
[20:44] <OerHeks> maybe #ubuntu-se can give you answer
[20:45] <Kumool> ioria: its possible, you can ssh into BSD boxes and those don't have bash installed by default
[20:45] <ioria> Kumool, i see tx
[20:46] <Kumool> just need to set up the login shell properly, hell you can even ssh into tmux as the login shell and from there configure the default shell
[20:47] <bynarie> Hello fellas
[20:49] <bynarie> Has anyone ever setup a full blown server as a router? As opposed to just using your everyday router
[20:49] <Kumool> bynarie: yes, theres even a distro for that specific function
[20:51] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/dhcp.html.en https://help.ubuntu.com/community/isc-dhcp-server
[20:52] <OerHeks> and some expand this with nextcloud and proxy
[20:54] <bynarie> oh really? Do you mind telling me the name
[20:55] <bynarie> I'm assuming you can add wifi capability to it by adding some wireless NICs correct?
[20:55] <TJ-> bynarie: that's a pretty common scenario
[20:55] <bynarie> ok thanks
[20:56] <OerHeks> yes, go wild
[20:56] <bynarie> I have maybe 6-7 clients connected at a time to wifi, how many wifi NICs do you think I'd need. My server has 2 CAT ports, but I can always add a switch
[20:57] <TJ-> bynarie: one
[20:57] <bynarie> oh really
[20:57] <bynarie> thanks
[20:57] <TJ-> bynarie: use hostapd to create an access point on the device
[20:57] <bynarie> opk ty
[20:57] <bynarie> ok*
[20:57] <TJ-> bynarie: there are some caveats to that - the wifi chipset/driver/firmware needs to support it. Some are problematic, e.g. some Broadcom especially
[20:58] <bynarie> yes ive read about that
[20:58] <bynarie> i think mine is a broadcom too
[20:58] <bynarie> I'll buy something better for my server though
[20:58] <OerHeks> yeah, see the https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/
[20:58] <Kumool> why not use the router as a server?
[20:59] <TJ-> Kumool: I think the idea is to both provide LAN <> Internet routing/firewall, and network services
[20:59] <bynarie> all of my routers I have wired together (3) all asus ac68u. Makes a nice wifi network for the house
[20:59] <bynarie> I just want a beast router that can take on more resources
[21:00] <TJ-> I've built 10-port Ubuntu servers/gateway/routers; used shorewall to easily manage the network/firewall side
[21:06] <konrados> Hello. I have KDE and I'm wondering if the 'yakuake' project is *the* guake - like terminal project? It doesn't seem very much alive? Or maybe I should try the guake? Or... is there something completely different? I do remember something for KDE where you presses a key and a terminal dropped down.... and now I'm trying to find it. It was (is) very popular 2 years ago.
[21:14] <on3pk> oh sweet.  I still have a box running 15.04 somewhere
[21:18] <OerHeks> https://www.kde.org/applications/system/yakuake/
[21:18] <OerHeks> it works, that is all
[21:21] <konrados> OerHeks, oh, so... this is it. OK. I was a bit ... intruiged that on this ^ website there is a link to 'yakuake home page' which is https://yakuake.kde.org/ which has only one link, which... open the first link (kde...). But ok, I'll try that one, thanks!
[21:22] <OerHeks> oke, not an elegant way to connect to the authors
[21:22] <IniGit> hi
[21:22] <EriC^^> hi
[21:23] <BamseLaptop> Hi! I've run in to a very strange problem that I'm unable to solve on my own unfortunately. I recently reinstalled my computer with 18.10 and I'm able to boot from the live usb all fine but my install is having lots of issues.
[21:23] <IniGit> can somebody tell me what does tar -z actucally do? The docu just says "filter the archive through gzip" and that is not very explanatory
[21:24] <EriC^^> IniGit: afaik it passes it to gunzip so it compresses or decompresses it
[21:24] <EriC^^> sort of like tar | gunzip
[21:24] <IniGit> EriC^^: So it does no filtering?
[21:24] <BamseLaptop> It freezes during the splash screen with the "ticking" dots and does not pass that. I tried to google that and found an answer where you could add "nomodeset" as a startup option and that makes it go further, but then it freezes or a black screen with a flashing _
[21:24] <BamseLaptop> If i remove "quite" it shows lots of logs and all green ok, and then the black screen again
[21:25] <OerHeks>  -z is necessary for *.gz files , like For tar.bz2 files, you need the "j" argument
[21:25] <BamseLaptop> Any ideas? I'm all out and can't seem to google-fu when the live works but not the regular install..... :(
[21:26] <BamseLaptop> Also, sometimes, if it suspends and then resumes again, I come to the login screen
[21:26] <OerHeks> BamseLaptop, what hardware is this?
[21:26] <BamseLaptop> But not alwas
[21:26] <BamseLaptop> Self build intel + nvidia
[21:26] <BamseLaptop> OerHeks forgot to mention, see above
[21:26] <IniGit> OerHeks: Ok that means for a normal directory that I want to compress I can remove the -z option or simply leave it there and it will do nothing?
[21:28] <shibboleth> will there be misc security updates monday or are we done for the year?
[21:28] <OerHeks> IniGit, yes, you are free to choose the compression
[21:29] <OerHeks> shibboleth, out of security concern, we cannot tell
[21:29] <shibboleth> heh :)
[21:31] <EriC^^> IniGit: for compression if you dont put -z it wont compress, for untarring, newer tar versions can guess the compression so no need to specify -z -J etc "tar xf filename.tar.*" suffices
[21:32] <BamseLaptop> Managed to get it running after fresh install again with the suspend trick. Installed the nvidia drivers. Does anybody remember the command to check what drivers are currently in use? Was such a long time ago I troubleshooted linux tbh.
[21:38] <bynarie> anyone wanna make a quick $5. Install/Compile nightly znc, make it startup automatically and setup proper oidentd
[21:38] <bynarie> on a
[21:38] <bynarie> VPS
[21:39] <bynarie> or in return i can setup a vps for you and u can have 10 dollars credit for it and if u wanna move it ull have a login too
[21:41] <IniGit> thx EriC^^ and OerHeks
[21:41] <BamseLaptop> OerHeks you didn't happen to have any ideas for my problem? It sounds like it could be nvidia issues.
[21:42] <bynarie> screw you guys, im going home!
[21:42] <bynarie> lol
[21:44] <bynarie> anyone wanna do that for 5 cash or 10 credit at VULTR.com vps under my account
[21:45] <bynarie> u get ur own login
[21:45] <bynarie> pm me if interested
[21:45] <BamseLaptop> bynarie Just give up, it's not worth the time for $5
[21:46] <bynarie> i kind of thought it was... its like a 10 min project i dont feel like doing lol
[21:46] <bynarie> its all good
[22:03] <BamseLaptop> So it seems like this might be my problem https://askubuntu.com/questions/527356/nvidia-driver-normal-boot-results-in-blank-screen-recovery-boot-works-fine (Unlikely 4 years later but still)
[22:03] <BamseLaptop> This also sounds very familiar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1794280 but says it's fixed
[22:04] <BamseLaptop> 1. How can I see if the new version of gdm3 and xorg is installed on my system
[22:04] <BamseLaptop> 2. What's the 18.10 equivalent to /etc/init.d/lightdm.conf ?
[22:04] <EriC^^> BamseLaptop: apt-cache policy gdm3   shows the package version
[22:04] <BamseLaptop> EriC^^ Thanks!
[22:05] <EriC^^> no problem
[22:05] <EriC^^> BamseLaptop: try "dpkg -L gdm3 | grep conf" it might give the conf file
[22:07] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: I don't think there ever was a /etc/init.d/lightdm.CONF - for config files it's /etc/lightdm/
[22:07] <BamseLaptop> TJ- But there should be some kind of init-file?
[22:08] <EriC^^> BamseLaptop: if you're using gdm lightdm might not be installed btw
[22:08] <BamseLaptop> To be honest, what is it now. SystemD? Upstart? Been away for so long I've lost track
[22:08] <EriC^^> BamseLaptop: yeah, systemd
[22:08] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: yes, it's systemd now, "systemctl {status,start,stop,enable,mask} lightdm"
[22:09] <BamseLaptop> EriC^^ So where can I find the systemd init file for gdm? Or is it not triggered that way any more? Is it the /etc/gdm3/custom.conf file that runs things?
[22:10] <BamseLaptop> I'm looking for the "new version" of /etc/init.d/gdm3.conf
[22:10] <EriC^^> what are you trying to do ultimately?
[22:10] <BamseLaptop> Ok thats embarrasing, it's right there...
[22:10] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: yes, it's /lib/systemd/systemd/<name>.service usually
[22:11] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: oops, typo! it's /lib/systemd/system/<name>.service usually
[22:11] <BamseLaptop> EriC^^ I wan't to try this workaround: https://askubuntu.com/a/527770
[22:15] <EriC^^> BamseLaptop: aha
[22:16] <EriC^^> BamseLaptop: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43001223/how-to-ensure-that-there-is-a-delay-before-a-service-is-started-in-systemd
[22:16] <EriC^^> the file should be where TJ- said in /lib/systemd/system/gdm3.service or similar filename
[22:17] <BamseLaptop> EriC^^ Thanks! Actually reading that article right now
[22:17] <EriC^^> no problem
[22:19] <BamseLaptop> EriC^^ But /etc/init.d/gdm3 is a sh file so it's even easier than that, just a plain old sleep 2
[22:20] <BamseLaptop> But that didn't work so we're back a few steps :(
[22:22] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: when systemd is in use anything in /etc/init.d/ is ignored when a systemd service file exists
[22:22] <BamseLaptop> Hmmm....
[22:23] <BamseLaptop> TJ- So /lib/systemd/system/gdm3.service?
[22:24] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: as I said earlier, "systemctl status gdm3" will tell you how/where the service is configured
[22:24] <BamseLaptop> TJ- Sorry, must have missed that message
[22:25] <BamseLaptop> TJ- Am I looking for the line that starts with "Loaded: loaded (path.... .service ?
[22:28] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: Yes
[22:36] <BamseLaptop> No dice there either :/ I think I'll have to create a question on askubuntu to see if we can solve it over time. At least we know what it isn't now and I have a viable workaround to get it started, although annoying.
[22:37] <BamseLaptop> Thanks for trying TJ- and EriC^^ !! :)
[22:37] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: I missed what it is you're trying to achieve
[22:37] <BamseLaptop> Get 18.10 to start without freezing
[22:38] <BamseLaptop> I'll do a recap for the people in the back
[22:39] <BamseLaptop> Fresh 18.10 install (intel + nvidia), goes to the splash screen and freezes on first boot. Can be tricked to start by going in to sleep mode and then starting again. With nvidia drivers, it goes further but not all the way. Can be started by going in to recovery mode and then resume.
[22:39] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: no need, I've just read back
[22:39] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: My first question would be, have you examined the logs?
[22:39] <BamseLaptop> TJ- Don't know where to look or what to look for
[22:39] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: I'd start with listing any warnings during start-up
[22:40] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: do you have another Linux PC you can use to SSH into the problem PC?
[22:40] <BamseLaptop> When I remove quitet, there are no errors or warnings
[22:40] <BamseLaptop> TJ- I guess I could get the chromebook to do SSH
[22:41] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: if you install "openssh-server" on the problem PC, then assuming the network has come up, you can get in and examine it even when the display is not cooperating
[22:41] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: helps to use Ethernet cable in these cases rather than rely on wireless, depending on how far it gets
[22:42] <BamseLaptop> TJ- This is a stationary computer with cable only so that's to my advantage
[22:42] <BamseLaptop> I'll make sure to try remoting in when I keep troubleshooting but unfortunately that's all the time I have tonight.
[22:42] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: :) indeed. And systemd's log tool 'journactl' is pretty smart
[22:42] <BamseLaptop> As said, appreciate the help!
[22:43] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: as a quickie to see just problems/warnings, you can do "journalctl -b -p warning"
[22:43] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: "-b" means 'this boot'. IF you want to examine a previous boot, you can use "-b -1" for the last one, -2 etc
[22:47] <BamseLaptop> TJ- the only thing that looks out of place is a couple of PKCS errors with things not being signed with a thrusted key, but not what that is.
[22:47] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: right, which probably means "journalctl -u gdm3.service" might be more use
[22:48] <BamseLaptop> No actaully, there are issues with alsactl as well. Failed with errorcode 99
[22:51] <BamseLaptop> TJ- https://pastebin.com/yXpdb4YD
[22:51] <BamseLaptop> I can't see anything strange
[22:52] <BamseLaptop> I think 23:35 is when i did a sysrq
[22:53] <Rhombix> hi. does anyone know where i could find a live network stream for TBS, the japanese tv station? apologies if this is the wrong channel, but i really need help and i don't have much time. if the.
[22:53] <Rhombix> if there is any available method at all, please let me know. thank you very much.
[22:57] <TJ-> BamseLaptop: There may be something in the Xorg log file, but I'm not sure where gdm3 leaves it now. It could be /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or possibly /var/log/gdm3/ or even $HOME/.local/gdm3/ or similar. I don't use Gnome so can't check here
[23:04] <BamseLaptop> TJ- There is one in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and one in $HOME/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log. /var/log/gdm3/ is empty
[23:14] <Rhombix> as before, does anyone know where i could find a live network stream for TBS, the japanese tv station? apologies if this is the wrong channel, but i really need help and i don't have much time.
[23:15] <ikonia> it's the wrong channel
[23:18] <Rhombix> ok. could you recommend another channel to ask?
[23:18] <ikonia> nope, sorry
[23:18] <ikonia> maybe contact the station
[23:18] <Rhombix> anywhere? i sort of don't want to type /list
[23:19] <ikonia> nope
[23:19] <Rhombix> i mean, a channel on freenode to ask my question
[23:19] <ikonia> nope
[23:19] <ikonia> try contacting the TV station
[23:20] <Rhombix> it's not practical to do that
[23:20] <Rhombix> they are in japan
[23:20] <Rhombix> i just need a video network stream, from any source
[23:21] <Rhombix> does anyone at all know how i could get a link to a network stream?
[23:23] <ikonia> Rhombix: please stop asking
[23:23] <ikonia> this is the wrong channel
[23:24] <Tin_man> Rhombix, your best bet is search on youtube
[23:25] <coz_> i gave him 3 links to check out
[23:26] <Rhombix> which freenode channel should i go to?
[23:26] <ikonia> Rhombix: this is not a yellow pages channel
[23:26] <ikonia> Rhombix: final time - please stop asking
[23:26] <Tin_man> yes
[23:27] <OerHeks> !alis
[23:27] <ikonia> this is the wrong channel for this discussion
[23:28] <Rhombix> i stopped asking like five minutes ago
[23:28] <ikonia> 23:26 < Rhombix> which freenode channel should i go to?
[23:28] <ikonia> less than 65 seconds ago
[23:28] <Rhombix> yes, because you told me this is not the right channel
[23:28] <ikonia> correct, we are not a search index for you
[23:28] <Rhombix> basically you're telling me i'm not allowed to talk at all
[23:29] <Rhombix> that's different
[23:29] <ikonia> if it's not about ubuntu support, no, not in this channel
[23:29] <Rhombix> change the topic, make it clear no-one is allowed to talk
[23:29] <ikonia> the topic is clear and the links in the topic explain in more detail
[23:29] <Rhombix> i'm asking for a different channel because yoa told me to stop
[23:29] <ikonia> right, and you've been told multiple times "no idea"
[23:29] <Rhombix> and you're warning me
[23:30] <Rhombix> it's crazy
[23:47] <blue1> I am having trouble with uefi boot. I am trying to repair the boot block -- which is not really that hard.  I tried this:  https://pastebin.com/jezfh0wF but got no further.  Suggestions?
[23:50] <coz_> blue1,  did you try turning off uefi in the bios?
[23:51] <coz_> had to do that on one new desktop with ubuntu  also allowed legacy boot
[23:51] <coz_> although I thought uefi was now supported
[23:52] <blue1> coz_: I can't find any place in the bios to set/unset uefi
[23:53] <coz_> oh did you look here?   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[23:53] <blue1> coz_: thanks I will take a look at that
[23:53] <coz_> blue1,  it might be just enabling legacy boot options will do it ,
[23:54] <blue1> coz_: is there a boot option maybe I can use?
[23:54] <algid> where would i find a reference of all the various update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, release-upgrade etc commands?
[23:54] <coz_> blue1,  mm let me check
[23:55] <blue1> algid: the man pages would help.  man <commandname>
[23:55] <algid> again
[23:55] <algid> a reference of all the various update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, release-upgrade etc commands?
[23:55] <algid> i don't know what all of them are, so
[23:56] <coz_> blue1,  is this a dual boot w/windows?
[23:56] <blue1> algid: sorry I don't understand the question.
[23:56] <blue1> coz_: yes.  PM okay?
[23:56] <coz_> sure
[23:56] <algid> no need to respond if you can't understand
[23:58] <Platonides> algid: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/en/man8/apt.8.html ?
[23:59] <EriC^^> blue1: looks like you booted the live usb in legacy mode
[23:59] <algid> thanks Platonides
[23:59] <EriC^^> blue1: try 'sudo modprobe efivars' if you're lucky it might allow you to access the uefi list
[23:59] <algid> it seems like there are other commands as well that aren't listed there, like release-upgrade
[23:59] <Platonides> yw
[23:59] <blue1> EriC^^: yes
[23:59] <EriC^^> blue1: if it works, ls /sys/firmware/efi should be populated with files