[00:02] <tomreyn> apoc: /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-serveris the default on 18.04, also on 16.04
[00:03] <apoc> ahh okay, something must have messed this up on my system
[00:04] <apoc> the same as here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=881594
[00:07] <OerHeks> "Perhaps you modified your /etc/ssh/sshd_config and didn't notice?"
[00:34] <plujon> Is is possible to automatically login to lubuntu such that after powering on the machine, the screen that is displayed is the desktop (no login prompt)?  The display manager is lightdm.
[00:35] <vlouvet> does anyone have recommendations on a tablet to run ubuntu mobile ?
[00:36] <OerHeks> vlouvet, there is only 1 tablet supported , join #ubports for support
[00:37] <Sushi-san> Lightdm cannot be found, so I'm on a log-in loop on Ubuntu 18.10.
[00:37] <Sushi-san> Any ideas?
[00:38] <OerHeks> standard ubuntu gnome uses GDM AFAIk
[00:38] <Sushi-san> I just installed a new graphics card (Radeon RX 580), but I was able to boot with it earlier
[00:39] <plujon> Sushi-san: Boot into recovery mode, drop to root shell, and install lightdm ?
[00:40] <OerHeks> maybe nomodeset is any help
[00:40] <OerHeks> but i have no clue what you did to fix this and didn't
[00:41] <Sushi-san> My recovery mode is only for 18.04, though
[00:41] <Sushi-san> See, I wasn't running into this problem earlier
[00:41] <Sushi-san> i updated the motherboard bios earlier so that it would recognize the new GPU, but it was fine after that
[00:43] <Sushi-san> 'Unit lightdm.service not found.'
[00:43] <Sushi-san> that's the exact error im getting
[00:44] <vlouvet> thanks for the feedback
[00:44] <vlouvet> One more question, personal preference - what is your recommended (Ubuntu) Linux Laptop for > $500 USD?
[00:59] <Sushi-san> ah, the problem was with unmet dependencies
[01:00] <Sushi-san> am in recovery
[01:01] <Sushi-san> im just going to reinstall 18.04, probably
[02:23] <Cognitohazard> any ideas for improving scroll speed on 18.04?
[02:31] <Exterminador> Happy New Year, Ubuntu'ers! xD
[03:48] <shadowen2> how's it going tonight?
[03:48] <shadowen2> I was hoping I might find some help configuring screen sharing on my 18.04 box.
[03:48] <shadowen2> if anyone is out there.
[04:22] <Geo> Hi, I'm trying to connect to a smb share via the GUI 'Other Locations' option in the file browser. When I enter the URL, I can see shares available but when I give a user/pass for one, it just keeps prompting me over and over to log in- I can't actually view the shares. This "used to work" (tm)
[04:22] <Geo> Any idea where to start looking to troubleshoot?
[04:23] <Geo> On the server, auth.log shows "smbd: pam_unix(samba:session): session closed for user nobody"
[04:23] <Geo> which isn't the user I'm presenting
[04:25] <AndyChow888> Geo, how are you connecting?
[04:25] <AndyChow888> What file browser?
[04:26] <Geo> The 'normal' one?
[04:26] <Geo> I'm not sure what else to call it... mabye nautilus?
[04:26] <Geo> The file browser that comes with the desktop version
[04:28] <AndyChow888> Ok, yeah, nautilus.
[04:30] <Geo> So, any thoughts?
[04:30] <AndyChow888> Geo, try ctrl-l in nautilus, then type smb://location
[04:31] <AndyChow888> I don't use nautilus, so that's my $0.02
[04:31] <Geo> Yeah, that's what I'm doing
[04:36] <AndyChow888> And it asks you for your user and pass?
[04:49] <mwaaa> #gentoo
[04:50] <mwaaa> sry
[05:05] <Geo> AndyChow888: yes
[05:06] <AndyChow888> Geo, and you enter the user of the user on the samba share server? Not the one on your client?
[05:07] <AndyChow888> Or, alt, you've set up your samba conf on the server so that your user is known? Because "nobody" sounds like there is no handshake at all, and the samba server doesn't get the user name.
[05:09] <Geo> yep
[05:10] <Geo> the server has worked before, this is a new laptop that isn't working as a client
[05:11] <AndyChow888> Well, if you're connecting to a server, you are a client.
[05:11] <AndyChow888> But, I'm out of options. Have you tried mounting from a terminal?
[05:14] <Geo> Nope
[05:14] <Geo> Not sure how to do that
[05:16] <AndyChow888> Geo, open a terminal, some of the -o are optional. As sudo, create a mountpoint "/mnt/mountpoint", then, as sudo, " mount -t cifs //SERVER/sharename /mnt/mountpoint -o username=username,password=password,workgroup=workgroup,iocharset=utf8,uid=username,gid=group"
[05:17] <AndyChow888> Just "sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.15 /mnt/samba -o username=andy,password=123" should work, or similar.
[05:18] <AndyChow888> I'm assuming things here, but you can probably read between the code.
[05:19] <Geo> yep thanks
[05:44] <gunarm_> Is there any reason ubuntu (server or desktop) would expect trouble installing on a 2nd gen threadripper platform?
[05:45] <gunarm_> I can boot into memtest and run for hours.  I've installed windows and ran updates and ran cinebench and it's doing seti@home right now at 100% cpu.  But if I try to install ubuntu from a flash drive it's like it overheats or something
[05:45] <gunarm_> it gets into the text installer on ubuntu server and after a minute the cursor starts blinking slow and then it hangs
[05:46] <gunarm_> on ubuntu desktop I can boot into the live OS and open a browser but eventually it hangs
[05:46] <gunarm_> not really sure how to diagnose it
[05:47] <amazoniantoad> Why aren't more recent devices being supported for ubuntu touch?
[06:11] <AbaShoppeR> anybody know how to get ubuntu to boot on a mac getting error pictured at top of this page: https://medium.com/@maniac.tw/linux-bug-modsign-couldnt-get-uefi-db-list-14a014b7ed54
[06:12] <AbaShoppeR> Didn't see a Mac Image available for download anywhere, does anyone have one of the mirrors?
[06:12] <WoC> Solution:
[06:12] <WoC> Enter the BIOS and disable “Secure Boot”.
[06:13] <WoC> AbaShoppeR, intel based mac ?
[06:15] <AbaShoppeR> early 2011 macbook pro 15" snow leopard wont boot, bad ram module
[06:16] <AbaShoppeR> i7
[06:17] <WoC> may want to replace that ram module then
[06:17] <WoC> ir remove
[06:17] <WoC> or*
[06:18] <AbaShoppeR> apple told me they integrated RAM on macs onto the motherboard in more recent models
[06:19] <WoC> Ugh
[06:19] <nate> open it up and look, wouldn't be hard to tell
[06:21] <AbaShoppeR> anyone have MAC download link ubuntu for this?: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP620?locale=en_US
[07:20] <anoopd> unable to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04  'could not calculate upgrade'
[07:20] <anoopd> can somebody help ?
[07:26] <SlidingHorn> anoopd: did you do a  sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade first?
[07:26] <SlidingHorn> (it's good practice to make sure everything is fully up to date before performing an upgrade)
[07:29] <anoopd> SlidingHorn: yes i did both sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[07:31] <anoopd> i have the dist-upgrade/main.log
[07:33] <SlidingHorn> anoopd: take a look here: https://askubuntu.com/a/360448/474173
[07:36] <anoopd> SlidingHorn: Pretty long list https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xjXJ9wc7ST/
[07:36] <anoopd> should i uninstall all those ?
[07:37] <SlidingHorn> anoopd: do you have 3rd party PPAs installed?
[07:38] <anoopd> yes i think
[07:38] <anoopd> i am a mac user just switched to ubuntu
[07:38] <SlidingHorn> you *might* need to start with removing those packages, disabling the PPAs, and trying from there...not sure
[07:39] <anoopd> how can i get the list of 3rd party ppas
[07:40] <SlidingHorn> there's also this answer on AU: https://askubuntu.com/a/1047189/474173
[07:41] <anoopd> shall i go for a fresh install ?
[07:41] <anoopd> keeping the home directory
[07:43] <SlidingHorn> that's also an option - I'd be sure to have a good backup just in case, though
[09:19] <nguyenc> Happy New Year 2019
[09:35] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to setup a multi-boot USB disk that loopmounts Ubuntu family ISO installation media, and I'm having issues with the actual installation portion of the process. It boots up fine, but then complains about /dev/sdb (or similar) has mounted partitions and offers/tries to unmount them.
[09:36] <Psi-Jack> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot/Examples provides some documentation on this, but it's old. Very old.
[09:54] <alnr> my icon bar disappears after a while. alt-F2 restart brings it back. what causes it to disappear?
[10:11] <znull> hi, any easy tuts, to upgrade from 12.10 to 16.x (lts ) ?
[10:12] <rory> honestly don't bother - back up your /home directory, install fresh, then reinstall the apps and copy the home directory backup back again (this will preserve your settings)
[10:13] <Psi-Jack> znull: "tuts?" heh. There's no "easy" upgrade path from a non-LTS. You'd have to upgrade to 13.04, 13.10, 14.04, then finally 16.04
[10:13] <rory> aka don't bother
[10:14] <znull> rory, Psi-Jack  well its some postfix,dovecot server,
[10:15] <Psi-Jack> Sounds like rebuilding it anew and repointing stuff to the new would be better.
[10:15] <znull> only ubuntu packages, so would be easier to apt-get upgrade everything, since the server is in datacenter.
[10:16] <rory> yeah but "apt-get upgrade" only updates packages within the current version of the distro
[10:16] <rory> it doesn't upgrade between ubuntu releases, for that you want do-release-upgrade... except you should seriously consider a fresh install
[10:18] <znull> ok, than fresh vps
[10:22] <TJ-> znull: you can upgrade in-place via a chroot, as in, use debootstrap to create a new 18.04 chroot, copy the config across (manually - updating to new syntax) and even run/test from the chroot (on non-standard ports)
[10:23] <znull> TJ-, well its a openvz server, not sure if 18.04 would work
[10:23] <TJ-> znull: oh, sorry, I mis-read... so 16.04 then
[11:03] <jenoah> Hello?
[11:09] <MiguelPeru> hey if I dd a peppermint iso image to a usb pen drive will that be enough to boot and load or I need rufus if I'm on windows 10
[11:20] <EriC^> MiguelPeru: it depends on the peppermint iso, most likely you dont need anything else
[11:24] <MiguelPeru> EriC^, could be ah, or with rufus? what happens with this formaters and usb bootable apps do they change a lot of things to the iso finale
[11:28] <MiguelPeru> any1?>
[11:34] <EriC^> MiguelPeru: i think they install some kind of bootloader other isolinux or something
[11:34] <MiguelPeru> EriC^, true i remember now
[11:34] <EriC^> MiguelPeru: make a loop of the iso and there are 2 partitions and one is a fat32 then it's probably dd-ready cause that'd be the uefi loading part
[11:35] <EriC^> *if you make
[11:35] <MiguelPeru> making a loop of the iso? what is this?
[11:36] <EriC^> sudo losetup -f /path/to/iso
[11:36] <MiguelPeru> uefi on fat32?
[11:36] <MiguelPeru> EriC^, l
[11:36] <MiguelPeru> k*
[11:36] <EriC^> then type "lsblk" it should show up, then do sudo partprobe /dev/loop0 or whatever number it is
[11:37] <EriC^> and check the partitions with "sudo parted /dev/loop0 print" or something
[11:38] <MiguelPeru> EriC^, you said there
[11:38] <MiguelPeru> 'll be 2 partitions one dd ready the other the bootloader?
[11:38] <EriC^> yeah it'll be 2, one a tiny fat32
[11:39] <EriC^> not one dd ready
[11:39] <EriC^> i meant the dd-ready iso will usually have 2 partitions, 1 small fat32 (so uefi mode can boot) and another bigger one with the live usb
[11:44] <MiguelPeru> I'll dig it
[11:53] <ttd> how is everyones new year?
[11:54] <aqd> do people actually use deluged on 18.04? the entire daemon script seems broken....
[11:54] <aqd> no error message, the daemon wasn't started at all and no pid file
[11:55] <aqd> not looking to fix that manually. if nobody is using it i'll just try other bt daemon
[11:56] <ttd> transmission is life imho
[11:56] <aqd> but i need socks5 proxy through VPN. the proxy config in transmission server seems ignored
[11:57] <aqd> it functions normally though
[12:00] <ttd> Is the config in the right place?
[12:03] <MiguelPeru> do I have to remove all partitions from the usb drive before dding to it from the ddready iso
[12:04] <ttd> no
[12:04] <ttd> DD overwrites partition table
[12:05] <ttd> that is why when you dd from terminal you use /dev/sda not /dev/sda1 for example
[12:05] <ttd> the number after sda specifies partition.
[12:05] <ttd> Same rule applies to all the GUI tools that use dd, they overwride the whole partition table
[12:06] <MiguelPeru> ttd, I wasn't sure of anything, just checking
[12:06] <ttd> Great. :) Just explaining
[12:06] <MiguelPeru> ttd, nice u know ur stuff
[12:09] <ttd> uu, freecad has refreshed their website it looks like
[12:09] <ice9> i installed ubuntu on mac, after it boots and just before it start gnome-shell, the whole system freezes, any idea?
[12:10] <ttd> ice9: do you have Nvidia card in your mac?
[12:10] <ttd> but for starters, just to boot on and see what works and not, in Grub menu press "E" and at the end of the line that starts with "linux" add "nomodeset"
[12:10] <badSophia> there is a app to connect irc on linux?
[12:11] <ttd> badSophia: like a hundred
[12:11] <badSophia> best popular?
[12:11] <ttd> depends what you are looking for. Customization, integration, simplicity...
[12:11] <ttd> temrinal/gui
[12:12] <badSophia> why i can’t connect irc with xchat?
[12:12] <ttd> you can
[12:12] <ttd> you are just doing it wrong, i assume
[12:12] <badSophia> bash : xchat command not found
[12:12] <ttd> erm
[12:12] <ttd> install it
[12:12] <badSophia> how?
[12:12] <ttd> and then launch
[12:12] <ttd> sudo apt-get install xchat
[12:12] <badSophia> thanks
[12:13] <ttd> if you want something simple, I would recommend Polari. Especially if you are using Ubuntu 18.04+
[12:13] <ttd> I love it's simplicity and how nicely it goes with whole Gnome 3
[12:13] <badSophia> polari
[12:14] <badSophia> ah how can i install it?
[12:14] <ttd> same principe.
[12:14] <ttd> Honestly, just open Ubuntu Software store
[12:14] <badSophia> sudo apt-get polari install?
[12:14] <ttd> Go to applications and there is Ubuntu Software
[12:14] <ttd> badSophia: yes. But I recommend using Ubuntu Software. There you can even find new stuff you didn't know you need :D
[12:14] <badSophia> ah
[12:15] <badSophia> :)
[12:15] <badSophia> capital is P?
[12:15] <badSophia> or p?
[12:15] <ice9> ttd, AMD i think
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> the best wishes for 2019 to all ubuntu fans
[12:17] <ttd> ice9: same story tbh. Add nomodeset in grub(if more questions, google it, there are heaps of guides) and then open Additional Drivers and install them
[12:17] <ttd> badSophia: does not matter
[12:17] <badSophia> ah ok
[12:17] <badSophia> :)
[12:17] <ice9> ttd, i'm using nomodeset already otherwise it would show blank screen,  my problem is after booting
[12:18] <ice9> ttd, i cannot reach the desktop environment at all
[12:18] <ttd> badSophia: in linux terminal world, only time you have to worry about capitals is when specifying directory/file locations, cause EXT4 is case-sensitive
[12:18] <badSophia> ah directory and file location
[12:18] <badSophia> :)
[12:18] <badSophia> thanks
[12:18] <ttd> ice9: hmmmm.... can you get to TTY? That is when it does not boot but you press ctrl+alt+f2
[12:19] <ttd> or F3
[12:19] <ttd> or any other F tbh
[12:19] <ttd> :D
[12:19] <ice9> ttd, it doesn't work
[12:19] <ttd> ice9: ok. You are using 18.04?
[12:19] <ice9> ttd, 18.10
[12:19] <ttd> and what is the macbook year?
[12:19] <ice9> ttd, 2011
[12:21] <ice9> ttd, i was able to boot and run ubuntu from the live stick with gui, but after installation this happened
[12:21] <ttd> ice9: OK I found that it's an issue, here is a guide for 14.04 but the same thing will apply, I assume
[12:21] <ttd> https://orville.thebennettproject.com/articles/installing-ubuntu-14-04-lts-on-a-2011-macbook-pro/
[12:22] <ttd> or try ading these pernel parameters
[12:22] <ttd> i915.lvds_channel_mode=2 i915.modeset=1 i915.lvds_use_ssc=0
[12:23] <ttd> but I assume you might just need to get rid of AMD card a in the guide, because Apple routes their hybrid graphics differently than other hybrid graphcs laptops
[12:27] <ttd> and you are not loosing much btw, the card is a ticking time-bomb anyway
[12:27] <eraserpencil1> what do you call the screen after grub but before login page
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: splash?
[12:28] <ttd> eraserpencil1: splash; if you mean the one with the ubuntu logo
[12:28] <eraserpencil1> yes
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: the ubuntu loading logo with moving dots
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: you encounter an issue there?
[12:28] <eraserpencil1> thats the one
[12:28] <eraserpencil1> i have like a one to two minute long splash screen on a week old alienware m15 laptop.
[12:29] <ttd> eraserpencil1: tell us more, I am intrigued
[12:29] <eraserpencil1> from boot to grub was very fast, from login to the desktop is very fast...
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: press F1 to change to the text loading, so you can see on wich error you are stuck
[12:29] <ttd> ^ yep, do that and tell us what it gets stuck on.
[12:30] <ttd> and is it on 18.04 or 18.10
[12:30] <eraserpencil1> 16.04
[12:30] <ttd> oh no
[12:30] <ttd> u need nwer kernerl
[12:30] <ttd> 8th gen cpus and NVME drives are not well supported on 16.04 old kernels
[12:31] <eraserpencil1> pfffftttt
[12:31] <ttd> but first see, with pressing F1 - maybe its just systemd getting stuck or smth.
[12:32] <eraserpencil1> alright
[12:32] <eraserpencil1> let me switch out
[12:32] <eraserpencil1> thanks
[12:32] <ttd> eraserpencil1: you should honestly be fine but I remember that recent kernels had large improvements in stability with NVME drives and 8th gen cpus. But I am quite sure you CAN run 16.04 fine
[12:32] <ttd> but with 18.04 i woudl assume there would be no problems out of the box, but that just me
[12:33] <eraserpencil1> i have a whole host of problems actually
[12:33] <ttd> can i ask - why 16.04?
[12:34] <eraserpencil1> I have a project on ROS Kinetic (ROS for 16.04) and havent really ported over to ROS Melodic (ROS for 18.04)
[12:36] <eraserpencil2> F1 is a blank black screen
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: you can try to edit grub and edit "quiet splash" to ""
[12:40] <eraserpencil1> what does it do?
[12:41] <ttd> eraserpencil1: it removes the ubuntu splash screens and everything
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: it changes to permanent text booting instead of the logo
[12:41] <ttd> lotuspsychje: but I have a feeling that it will still be blank
[12:41] <eraserpencil1> this is to help me debug why it's taking so long right?
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> ttd: depends what happens on his system
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: can you boot until the login screen?
[12:45] <eraserpencil1> it's /etc/default/grub right?
[12:46] <EriC^> eraserpencil1: right
[12:46] <EriC^> eraserpencil1: try adding "verbose" as well
[12:46] <ttd> thats a lot of hustle tbh
[12:46] <ttd> eraserpencil1: dont edit it, just take those parameters out in grub menu(that does it only for one boot) and add verbose
[12:47] <EriC^> ttd: fair enough, if you want more debugging, use "debug ignore_loglevel" instead of verbose
[12:47] <EriC^> eraserpencil1: ^
[12:47] <eraserpencil1> i am an login screen
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: if you reach desktop, you can also debug with systemd-analyze blame
[12:49] <eraserpencil1> EriC^: could help me with more verbosity, i need more dumbed down steps
[12:49] <eraserpencil1> so which should i try first
[12:49] <eraserpencil1> okay im at desktop , will go with systemd-analyze
[12:50] <ttd> yes, systemd analyse first. i forgot about it
[12:50] <EriC^> eraserpencil1: if you already logged in, try systemd-analyze plot > /tmp/boot.svg
[12:50] <EriC^> and upload the file somewhere and paste the link
[12:51] <eraserpencil1> btw, i changed GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to "", saved it, but still observed a splash screen
[12:51] <EriC^> eraserpencil1: you need to run "sudo update-grub" so the changes take effect
[12:51] <ttd> eraserpencil1: because you have to then update grub
[12:52] <eraserpencil1> ha... okay
[12:52] <ttd> that is why I suggested to do just grub menu edit for troubleshooting, less hassle
[12:53] <eraserpencil1> EriC^:  is it okay if i did a nc termbin.com instead of /tmp/boot.svg
[12:53] <EriC^> yeah that should work
[12:54] <EriC^> if it expects an actual file you could use systemd-analyze plot >(nc termbin.com 9999)
[12:54] <eraserpencil1> https://termibin.com/dkin
[12:54] <eraserpencil1> oops
[12:55] <ioria> svg it's an image
[12:55] <EriC^> no worries ioria
[12:55] <eraserpencil1> https://termbin.com/dkin
[12:55] <ioria> again
[12:55] <EriC^> wget -O /tmp/boot.svg https://termbin.com/dkin && xdg-open /tmp/boot.svg if you wanna see it
[12:56] <EriC^> use http: rather than https in ^
[12:56] <ioria> yp
[12:57] <EriC^> looks like it's taking 3mins to boot
[12:57] <eraserpencil1> what magic are you weaving
[12:57] <eraserpencil1> 3 minutes? that long? linux has improved my patience..
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: systemd-analyze critical-chain
[13:01] <eraserpencil1> https://termbin.com/x2kv
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: i would also reccomend what ttd suggested, 18.04 kernel might do some good on the alienware
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: seems like a lot of services taking alot of time there
[13:03] <ttd> just do 16.04 and newer kernel
[13:04] <eraserpencil1> 16.04 and newer kernel?
[13:04] <ttd> but I agree, all services look like taking way longer they should(which I think is kernel problem tbh)
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: whats your cpu, ram and harddisk specs like?
[13:05] <ttd> what is the current kernel?
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> ttd: its shown on his paste 16.04.5 LTS Alienware (Linux 4.15.0-43-generic #46~16.04.1-Ubuntu
[13:05] <ttd> sorry
[13:06] <EriC^> hmm he's already using the hwe kernel
[13:06] <ttd> wait, 4.15 should be OK.
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> ttd: so something else is lagging his system badly
[13:06] <eraserpencil1> 32gb ram, nvme 500gb  + 500gb sata ssd, its 8th gen i7-8750h
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> hmm what the..
[13:07] <ttd> eraserpencil1: what is your partition setup?
[13:09] <ttd> roughly
[13:10] <EriC^> eraserpencil1: try booting with the kernel parameters "debug ignore_loglevel" instead of quiet splash maybe it'll show what's going on more as it happens
[13:10] <ttd> can you do "lspci | grep Network" for me, please? Just curious
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> with those specs, nothing can lag right?
[13:11] <ttd> for me on pretty much the same h/w ubuntu boots slowly, but not 3 minutes.
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> on ssd ttd ?
[13:11] <ttd> yes
[13:12] <ttd> Desktop Ubuntu is the slowest thing to boot ever, always has been
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> not here
[13:12] <ttd> lotuspsychje: try arch with systemdboot
[13:12] <ttd> to give a perspective
[13:12] <EriC^> hmm ubuntu on ssd for me is like 3-4secs from BIOS POST to login screen
[13:12] <eraserpencil1> On NVME, i have the ubuntu partition.
[13:12] <eraserpencil1> On the SATA SSD, i have 250 gb for windows. Now for the remaining 250gb, it's showing as free space in Disks, but i once tried a minimal install but gave up. that partition is showing in grub, but not on disks
[13:13] <eraserpencil1> ttd: Intel Corp Device 2526 (rev 29)
[13:13] <ttd> you dont have driver for network. its the killer wireless, yes?
[13:14] <eraserpencil1> yup
[13:14] <eraserpencil1> killing me softly
[13:14] <ttd> I am sure that is the issue
[13:14] <ttd> ok, I cant garantuee it but it likely is
[13:15] <eraserpencil1> EriC^: so GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="debug ignore_level"?
[13:15] <EriC^> eraserpencil1: yeah
[13:15] <EriC^> i've a feeling it might be network related as well
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> ttd: alot of network lag indeed on his critical chain
[13:15] <eraserpencil1> well, I have bluetooth and wifi failing twice so far at boot. consistently giving problems is the keyboard actually
[13:15] <ttd> lotuspsychje: I think there is even a problem with initating the kernel module
[13:17] <ttd> eraserpencil1: if willing try this solution for wifi: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1038242/no-wifi-option-on-ubuntu-18-04-and-16-04#1038807
[13:17] <eraserpencil1> i dont have wifi issues for now
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: systemd analyze says you do
[13:17] <eraserpencil1> lol
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> i mean network load times
[13:17] <ttd> eraserpencil1: yes, wifi might technically work but the kernel module cant actually properly manage the card
[13:17] <eraserpencil1> EriC^: what do i look for ?
[13:18] <ttd> same thing I had with 2018 macbook
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> ttd: what happened?
[13:18] <ttd> lotuspsychje: with kernel driver I had dropped wifi issues randomly, and some boots no wifi etc
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> ttd: recall wich chipset?
[13:18] <eraserpencil1> acpi INT3400:00 Unsupported event [0.87]
[13:18] <ttd> nop
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: we need the full syslog or dmesg mate, try also the textbooting EriC^ suggsted
[13:19] <ttd> well eraserpencil1 you can do acpi=off but that is ot really a solution
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: would be good if you can see in realtime, at wich point it takes the lag times on boot
[13:21] <eraserpencil1> i did the text boot as EriC^ suggested, but couldnt copy...
[13:21] <eraserpencil1> thats the output of text which got stuck
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: the more info you can pastebin us, the better volunteers can help
[13:22] <ttd> it got stuck for minutes?
[13:22] <eraserpencil1> theres only one more line beneath with regards to /dev/<series of numbers> and a countdown timer
[13:22] <eraserpencil1> dmesg might show, let me check
[13:23] <eraserpencil1> do you want my dmesg?
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: yes
[13:24] <eraserpencil1> https://termbin.com/o4urj
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms  384.130  Wed Mar 21 02:59:49 PDT 2018
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: what kind of graphics chipset do you have?
[13:31] <eraserpencil1> 1070 max-q
[13:31] <ttd> eraserpencil1: did you install recommeded drivers?
[13:32] <lotuspsychje>  disabling queued TRIM support
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> man, alot of errors in dmesg
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: for gtx cards we reccomend the ubuntu graphics ppa, more latest nvidia drivers
[13:33] <ttd> really? I use 390 with no problems
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> ttd: wich gtx?
[13:33] <ttd> 1050
[13:33] <ttd> ti
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> ttd: on bionic? 390.77 ?
[13:34] <eraserpencil1> wait... im not using nvidia prime?
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: gtx 1070 is not an optimus card
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: did you place your ssd yourself?
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> ttd eraserpencil1 iwlwifi 0000:70:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-9260-th-b0-jf-b0-46.ucode failed with error -2
[13:37] <eraserpencil1> yes i did
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: you might wanna doublecheck everything, your bios settings, cables, bios update to latest? graphics card drivers to latest
[13:42] <eraserpencil1> lotuspsychje: I will do that. i so want to nuke both drives and start from scratch, but im very unsure about the drive with windows..
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: i would compare a singleboot ubuntu, with your current setup, to compare speeds
[13:43] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: can you please repeat what issue do you have?
[13:43] <eraserpencil1> from boot to windows login page is less than 5 seconds
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> dmnur: he gots 3min boot load lag
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> dmnur: https://termbin.com/x2kv
[13:48] <TJ-> The clue is in "sysinit.target @1min 30.278s" -- so check what that target wants and investigate each service's log: "ls -l /etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants/ "
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: ^ try this
[13:50] <eraserpencil1> in a while, i am in the midst of updating bios
[13:51] <TJ-> I'll bet it's blk-availability.service
[13:54] <eraserpencil1> In https://termbin.com/o4urj, around the 10.5 mark, theres the CPU7: Package temp above threshold,
[13:54] <eraserpencil1> I am booting in ubuntu again and the text boot is stuck at that line for about 3 minutes now.
[13:56] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: that message is pretty common especially during boot-time when cores are busy
[13:56] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: if it continues then its cause for concern or investigation
[13:56] <lordcirth_> 3 minute boot pause though?
[13:57] <eraserpencil1> its still stuck
[13:57] <eraserpencil1> gonna reboot
[13:57] <lordcirth_> eraserpencil1, how's your cooling?
[13:57] <eraserpencil1> lordcirth_: it's a laptop, not much wiggle room for me...
[13:57] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: did you disable the splash screen?
[13:57] <eraserpencil1> yes. text boot
[13:58] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: is it unresponsive or just waiting?
[13:58] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: it's hard to tell, i am not sure what to determine as responsive..
[13:59] <TJ-> eraserpencil1:  let's concentrate on what you see last, have you seen any service start messages of the form "[   OK   ] some service starting"
[14:00] <eraserpencil1> yes
[14:00] <aqd> hmm why do shortcuts stop working in chrome's textbox? the ctrl-tab etc. I'm sure it was working a few months ago...
[14:00] <aqd> ctrl-t i mean, and ctrl-w etc
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: did you see his dmesg, its full of errors
[14:00] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: That's good; that tells us the systemd-init on the real root file-system as started
[14:00] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I must have missed that; do you have the link?
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> sure
[14:00] <eraserpencil1> okay, so i rebooted, now the boot is stuck again. https://termbin.com/o4urj
[14:00] <eraserpencil1> thats the link
[14:03] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: thanks; lotuspsychje has the acpi_osi workaround been suggested/tested?
[14:03] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: can you get to a console log-in with Ctrl+Alt+F2 ?
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: not suggested yet
[14:05] <eraserpencil1> i did not try that, i updated the bios just in case, but am stuck at boot
[14:05] <eraserpencil1> atm
[14:06] <eraserpencil1> cant seem to get out of the stuck boot
[14:06] <macsys> exit
[14:06] <EriC^> try ctrl+alt+del eraserpencil1
[14:08] <eraserpencil1> i think i messed up my grub
[14:08] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: do the LEDs on the keyboard for Caps Lock, Num Lock etc., toggle/
[14:09] <eraserpencil1> yes
[14:09] <TJ-> Just for clarification, the CPU package/temperature warnings may be related to the ACPI INT3400 warning
[14:10] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: But Ctrl+Alt+F2 doesn't switch to a different tty console ?
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> i suspect a mix of several things, wrong grafix driver too
[14:13] <TJ-> It looks OK to me from "[drm] Initialized nvidia-drm 0.0.0 20160202 for 0000:01:00.0 on minor 0"
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: 384 driver for a gtx 1070 sounds wrong for me
[14:14] <eraserpencil1> just give me a while more, I  believe i deleted the grub file for ubuntu from bios....if that even makes sense
[14:14] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: you mean the EFI menu entry ?
[14:15] <eraserpencil1> yes
[14:15] <eraserpencil1> my grub menu is lacking that entry..
[14:15] <TJ-> I notice around the 2.5 second mark, udev shows that snap device rules have been copied into the initrd.img, which is a big bug!
[14:15] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: If you've got the GRUB menu, then it can't be mssing from the EFI menu :)
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year everyone!
[14:16] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: EFI stores its own boot menu/boot order in firmware Flash memory. The default entry is loaded (which is presumably to load GRUB)
[14:17] <eraserpencil1> is it possible for it to point to "Free Space" in a drive?
[14:20] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: no, GRUB menu is built to point to the kernel images in /boot/
[14:24] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: you said you see the GRUB menu; what happens next? What's missing there? Or you select some menu entry and then it fails to boot?
[14:24] <eraserpencil1> yes
[14:24] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I notice in the dmesg that the WiFi link associates, which means you should be able to configure things to connect from another PC using SSH to investigate without needing to use the physical console
[14:25] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: what does "fail to boot" mean in your terms? If you see kernel messages then it /is/ booting, the issue then becomes a fails to complete start-up
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> this case needs step by step solving, so many factors involved
[14:26] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: well, last dmesg shows network is up so if we can get in via SSH we can do something useful
[14:26] <eraserpencil1> lotuspsychje: largest one of all is a very inexperienced user.
[14:26] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: do you have another PC you can connect to it with, using SSH?
[14:26] <eraserpencil1> do we need it to boot first?
[14:26] <eraserpencil1> yes
[14:27] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: OK, so then the only remaining question is whether openssh-server is installed on the problem PC - that is needed to do this
[14:27] <eraserpencil1> im sorry this is the way you're spending new years day
[14:28] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: When the PC starts, do you actually see the GRUB menu waiting for you, or do you have to tap Esc key to get to it?
[14:28] <eraserpencil1> i cant rmb if i did, there is a good chance i did
[14:28] <eraserpencil1> grub waits for me
[14:28] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: OK, that tells us either you've changed the default config, or it has set the boot-failed flag. either way, that is helpful
[14:29] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: So next question is, have you attempted to start it in Recovery mode, from the Advanced sub-menu?
[14:29] <eraserpencil1> yes
[14:29] <eraserpencil1> dosent boot either
[14:29] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: did you get a shell where you could type commands?
[14:30] <eraserpencil1> no
[14:31] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: OK, so let's see if we can get some control. Reboot the PC, get to the GRUB menu, highlight the 'default' entry and press 'e' to edit it
[14:33] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: navigate down to the line starting "linux ..." and at the end of the line add "systemd.unit=emergency.target" and then press Ctrl+X to boot with that option
[14:37] <eraserpencil1> okay
[14:37] <eraserpencil1> what next? do i ctrl-d?
[14:38] <TJ-> No, press Enter to get a shell
[14:38] <eraserpencil1> im in root
[14:38] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: Right, so we're in a read-only root-filesystem environment right now
[14:39] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I'm playing about in a virtual machine here to see what we can achieve
[14:39] <eraserpencil1> it's root, not sure about readonly
[14:39] <eraserpencil1> i have openssh but not any internet connection
[14:41] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: do "apt list --installed openssh-server"
[14:41] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: if you get a result it is installed
[14:41] <eraserpencil1> i have openssh-server
[14:42] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: Great! That's good for later. First let's check the previous boot log. Try this: "journalctl -b -1 -p warning" -- this should list only important issues from the /LAST/ boot (-1), not this one
[14:43] <eraserpencil1> no entries
[14:44] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: OK, let's try another boot with a different option. Do "systemctl reboot" and then edit the GRUB default  entry once more
[14:44] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: this time add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" then press Ctrl+X
[14:44] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: please recheck: `-1` above is "minus one", not "minus ell".
[14:45] <eraserpencil1> i had an error with minus one so i tried minus ell
[14:45] <eraserpencil1> cant recall the error msg
[14:46] <TJ-> it's not important right now. What we're trying to do is get the system into a managable state from where you can fix things without guesswork
[14:47] <eraserpencil1> im stuck at boot
[14:47] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: let it sit for about 3 minutes to allow for standard service time-outs
[14:50] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: whilst it is doing that, can you check on your wifi router what IP address the PC was given, so you can attempt an SSH connection from another PC?
[14:51] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: unless you can have a good guess at what the IP address actually is of course
[14:52] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: on the other Linux PC you could also do a network scan using 'nmap' if that would be easier
[14:52] <eraserpencil1> at root, i did an "ifconfig", showed no connection at all.. i was about to do an nmcli connection but we went to try the multi-user.target.
[14:53] <eraserpencil1> I have it on ethernet connection though. so i shouldnt need to manualy connect it, but the service may not have been up. did not check that
[14:53] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: that's fine, none of the required services for networking are easily available at the emergency console
[14:53] <eraserpencil1> it has not timed out
[14:53] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: OH, it is wired that is much more reliable
[14:54] <eraserpencil1> just one less than to figure out
[14:54] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: so is the Lenovo connecting both with Ethernet and WiFi currently?
[14:54] <eraserpencil1> it's an alienware
[14:54] <TJ-> sorry, Alienware :D
[14:55] <eraserpencil1> errr usually, it's connected via ethernet...but did not pay much attention if it's connected on wifi
[14:55] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: on your current PC, if you know its IPv4 address using "ip addr show" you can then do something similar to "nmap -sn 10.254.1.52/24" (if the PCs IPv4 address were 10.254.1.52)
[14:56] <eraserpencil1> the laptop hasnt boot yet though
[14:56] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: doesn't matter
[14:56] <eraserpencil1> ok
[14:56] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: from your earlier dmesg it looks like it has started networking services
[14:56] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: on the last dmesg it shows the WiFi is up: "[  105.621350] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlp112s0: link becomes ready"
[14:57] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: that dmesg also shows the wired connection "[  100.887870] alx 0000:6f:00.0 enp111s0: NIC Up: 100 Mbps Full"
[14:58] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: another clarification: at the console, does the cursor at the bottom of the screen blink? And try to type anything there; does it echo the characters?
[14:59] <eraserpencil1> dmnur: it's stuck at boot, no blinking anything, just [OK] msgs
[14:59] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I'm going to have to go; my Huskies are demanded their cross-country run! It sounds like dmnur can take you further here too
[14:59] <eraserpencil1> sure!
[14:59] <eraserpencil1> thanks for the help so far
[15:02] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: alright, what OS does your current PC have?
[15:03] <eraserpencil1> dmnur: so the laptop im using to debug is on wifi now, ubuntu 16.04 on an old mac, the laptop ( that needs debugging) is supposed to have 1 windows and two ubuntu partitions. the usual one im booting into is missing, the one i have now cannot be booted
[15:04] <eraserpencil1> probably should have told TJ-...sorry, didnt occur to me
[15:06] <TJ-> not gone quite yet - it might be possible to use GRUB's shell ('c' command line at menu) to then investigate the file-systems and manually find/boot the correct Ubuntu and then be able to fix it up using update-grub/grub-install
[15:06] <eraserpencil1> TJ- wanted to ssh into the alienware laptop seeing how dmesg says i have network running...
[15:06] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: have you located the Alienware's IPv4 address?
[15:07] <eraserpencil1> no, im having trouble...
[15:07] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: OK, what trouble?
[15:07] <TJ-> I'll go now, I suspect dmnur can talk you through identifying it
[15:08] <eraserpencil1> the macbook (used for debugging) is on wifi (192.168.x.x)..so i dont know what subnet the alienware (connected via ethernet) is on.
[15:08] <tonyt> happy new years everyone
[15:08] <eraserpencil1> and very strangely, when i go to visit my router page, 192.168.1.254 on my browser, it says 0 devices connected..
[15:09] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: I guess they should be on the same network. You connect them both to a single Wi-Fi router, yes?
[15:09] <eraserpencil1> yes.. i mean if i can visit the page, atleast i must be connected...
[15:09] <eraserpencil1> how can it be 0
[15:10] <eraserpencil1> okay, it's a firefox issue, on chromium, i see the devices, but not my alienware laptop
[15:11] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: I guess these are Wi-Fi devices?
[15:11] <eraserpencil1> yes
[15:12] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: OK, try to find the list of DHCP clients in your router's configuration page.
[15:14] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: actually, we could just boot from Live USB/DVD and go from there. But the steps we are currently taking would be helpful in the future.
[15:17] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: any success?
[15:19] <eraserpencil1> im back
[15:20] <eraserpencil1> can a wired connection be 192.168.x.x?
[15:20] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: yes.
[15:20] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: did you find the list of DHCP clients?
[15:21] <eraserpencil1> i have no luck at that
[15:21] <ioria> why not using nmap ?
[15:21] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: OK, not a problem. Let's try `nmap` then.
[15:21] <ioria>  sudo nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24
[15:23] <eraserpencil1> ok
[15:23] <eraserpencil1> only one of the addresses is not refusing my connection
[15:23] <eraserpencil1> instead, it's stuck
[15:24] <eraserpencil1> i tried with "ssh user@address"
[15:24] <IniGit> hi
[15:25] <eraserpencil1> lets just go with live usb
[15:25] <IniGit> I want to remove all data from my drive so that nobody can read it anymore. I use dd for this like this:
[15:25] <IniGit> sudo dd bs=1M status=progress if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX
[15:25] <IniGit> Before doing that, do I have to remove the filysystem or do something else?
[15:25] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: just one more: sudo nmap -p 22 192.168.1.0/24
[15:25] <IniGit> Currently it's ntfs
[15:25] <IniGit> and it should stay ntfs
[15:26] <IniGit> Do I have to add a filesystem again after performing the dd command?
[15:27] <Mathisen> IniGit, is this an ssh or hdd
[15:27] <lordcirth_> IniGit, dd with urandom will work, but take forever
[15:27] <Mathisen> ssd*
[15:27] <lordcirth_> shred -n0 -z will be much faster
[15:27] <lordcirth_> or dd'ing zeros
[15:27] <IniGit> It's an 8gb usb stick I think it's called a flash drive
[15:28] <lordcirth_> And yes, after you wipe it, there will be no filesystems, partitions, or even a partition table
[15:28] <IniGit> will 8b also take forever with dev/urandom being used?
[15:28] <lordcirth_> Less so, but yes
[15:28] <IniGit> how long approximately do you think it will take?
[15:28] <lordcirth_> shred -n1 will do one pass of random overwrite, using a much faster random generator
[15:28] <lordcirth_> urandom is randomness appropriate for generating keys
[15:29] <lordcirth_> shred will be limited by the USB.  urandom depends
[15:30] <IniGit> lordcirth_: you mean shred is perfectly fine to obfuscate the data that was on the usb stick?
[15:30] <lordcirth_> yes, shred is fine.  Without arguments it will do 3 passes, but unless your opponent has a forensics lab, one pass is fine
[15:31] <IniGit> lordcirth_: what is a pass?
[15:31] <lordcirth_> IniGit, overwriting once
[15:31] <lordcirth_> -n controls how many random passes, then -z zeros it after.  I usually do a zero, so that the drive doesn't randomly show up as a 1982 solaris raid array or something
[15:32] <lordcirth_> Also, you don't want to do more than one pass on a USB stick, probably, as they burn out easily
[15:33] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: here?
[15:33] <eraserpencil1> yes
[15:33] <IniGit> ok thank you
[15:34] <eraserpencil1> booting from usb...takes slightly less than forever
[15:35] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: OK, I'll be back in 5 min.
[15:39] <aqd> hm I got kindle working, just needed the old version of kindle, not wine
[15:41] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: how's it going?
[15:42] <eraserpencil1> it's stuck at the splash page from the live usb
[15:43] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: press Esc. Something in there?
[15:43] <aqd> why does mplayer seeking feel slow though? much slower than on windows. not a new problem but the vdpau is working very well and cpu usage for hd video is close to 5%
[15:43] <eraserpencil1> do i load the efi or the grub file from the usb?  does it make a difference?
[15:43] <eraserpencil1> not f1 not esc no difference
[15:43] <IniGit> Btw would I specify a partition (like sdX1)  at dd or the device name like sdX?
[15:44] <IniGit> at the of parameter
[15:44] <aqd> hm got it, it's due to pulseaudio...
[15:44] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: you mean bootx64.efi or grub.efi? No difference, they're the same.
[15:44] <eraserpencil1> yes
[15:44] <eraserpencil1> why is it stuck at splash....
[15:45] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: this USB stick has 16.04?
[15:45] <eraserpencil1> yes
[15:45] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: funny. Did it boot earlier?
[15:45] <aqd> i should get ossv4 back, how come it's not the default now? ossv4 has perfect mixing and vol adjust...
[15:46] <eraserpencil1> yes
[15:46] <dmnur> IniGit: the device name (sdX), of the whole device, yes.
[15:46] <ocelotsloth> Anybody ever had the sudo prompt not let you press enter after typing a password? I can't find anything about that issue because all I get are people asking why there's no typing feedback from the sudo prompt.
[15:46] <ocelotsloth> All I can do is ^c to break out of the password prompt. All other input appears to be ignored
[15:47] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: did you connect any devices that weren't there earlier?
[15:47] <IniGit> dmnur: thx
[15:47] <eraserpencil1> what do you mean
[15:48] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: I mean, any USB devices. Try disconnecting anything but the USB stick.
[15:49] <marsje> Is there a way I can get a tree view pane in Nautilus in Ubuntu 18.04? I feel pretty helpless without it (which seems to be the general effect of Gnome 3 on me)
[15:50] <marsje> or is there an alternative file manager for grown-ups?
[15:50] <eraserpencil1> dmnur: i think i, gonna call it a night and try again another day
[15:53] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: OK, if you say so. Looks like it's something hardware-related, not that easy to diagnose.
[15:54] <eraserpencil1> that does suck
[15:55] <IniGit> why is that: dd: error writing '/dev/sdg': No space left on device ?
[15:57]  * marsje found Thunar
[15:57] <dmnur> IniGit: it's fine, `dd` just doesn't know where's the end of the device, so it stops when it can't write more.
[15:58] <IniGit> dmnur: thx. DO you know how to read the output or status=progress?
[16:00] <dmnur> IniGit: can you please clarify? What output?
[16:00] <IniGit> example given (3.4GB, 3.2GiB)
[16:01] <IniGit> shouldn't it be (<already copied>, <size-of-drive>)
[16:01] <IniGit> but why is then the first number always bigger and always very close to the second number
[16:01] <IniGit> and the second number is changing
[16:02] <IniGit> (3.4GB, 3.2GiB) is an example output off the progress of dd
[16:03] <dmnur> IniGit: ah, I see. The first number is gigabytes (1,000,000,000 bytes). The second number is gibibytes (1,073,741,824 bytes).
[16:03] <IniGit> dmnur: I see but why the second number keeps changing?
[16:03] <IniGit> dmnur: Shouldn't it be statis?
[16:04] <IniGit> *static
[16:04] <eraserpencil1> dmnur: it would seem that the latest bios is a linux-killer
[16:04] <eraserpencil1> the older one, with its bugs, is less potent
[16:05] <dmnur> IniGit: the numbers show the same value but in different representations, that's all.
[16:05] <IniGit> dmnur: ok. thank you :)
[16:06] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: huh. Not good.
[16:06] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: I hope they support downgrading. :)
[16:07] <Zteam> ocelotsloth, not sure if it should matter but are you using Wayland?
[16:08] <ocelotsloth> heh, I hope not since it's a server :-)
[16:08] <Zteam> ocelotsloth, okey, didn't have that info :D
[16:08] <ocelotsloth> I do think I've isolated the issue away from ubuntu though. I think it's an issue with my local tmux config
[16:09] <dmnur> ocelotsloth: probably. What's the value of TERM?
[16:10] <ocelotsloth> TERM is set to `screen-256color`
[16:11] <ocelotsloth> Though it may not be that, because now it's back to behaving again
[16:11] <Zteam> ocelotsloth, no experience from that at all, but what happen if you run sudo -A
[16:11] <Byan> bash: /usr/bin/moshsession: Permission denied
[16:11] <dmnur> ocelotsloth: also, try starting some fullscreen editor like vim or nano. Does it throw any warnings? Does it work as expected?
[16:11] <Byan> trying to use mosh with mobaxterm
[16:11] <Byan> can't figure out what moshsession is supposed to be
[16:11] <Byan> or where it might be referenced
[16:12] <ocelotsloth> Zteam sudo -A prints a bunch of usage options
[16:13] <ocelotsloth> dmnur that was working fine, though the issue just disappeared so I'll probably never know what the issue was. Thanks for the help though
[16:14] <dmnur> Byan: ls -l /usr/bin/moshsession
[16:16] <Byan> dmnur: doesnt exist
[16:19] <dmnur> Byan: Ubuntu packages don't provide this file. You should probably fix your mobaxterm configuration.
[16:20] <qqz> how to change a bug into a feature reuqest?
[16:20] <dmnur> Byan: I guess it's configured somewhere here: https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/documentation.html#1_2
[16:28] <eraserpencil1> how worries should i be for incompatible bios?
[16:28] <dmnur> Byan: ah, sorry, not that; `moshsession` is part of mobaxterm itself. Looks like the problem is incorrect installation, try reinstalling mobaxterm.
[16:30] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: well, you can't boot Linux at all, so pretty worried, I guess. :) But you can try to downgrade BIOS.
[16:31] <IniGit> dmnur: forensic means somebody must actually get your device in hand,right? After you dd or shred a hacker should have no chance is that correct?
[16:32] <lordcirth_> IniGit, correct
[16:32] <IniGit> I'm asking, because I think I had a gpg key on that deivce a while ago and I do want to use that usb stick now for something else
[16:32] <IniGit> I'm mostly concerned about hackers not so much about loosing the device at the moment
[16:32] <TJ-> back... just scrolled back briefly. eraserpencil1 if there is a potential hardware issue there are 2 possible fixes. One is the previously mentioned acpi_osi and the other is to try a later kernel
[16:32] <eraserpencil1> would bios be updated for linux support then...generally speaking
[16:32] <IniGit> lordcirth_: thx
[16:33] <eraserpencil1> I googled, and on dell forums, apparently the latest bios updated kills linux.
[16:33] <IniGit> lordcirth_: And one pass of dd or shred should be enough for my concerns?
[16:33] <eraserpencil1> the previous one is buggy, but less potent than killing
[16:33] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: can you tell your laptop's model name? I'll check if there are any issues with BIOS.
[16:33] <eraserpencil1> alienware m15
[16:34] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: OK, one moment.
[16:34] <qqz> IniGit: https://www.elstel.org/CyberAttack-elstel.html.en#protect_yourself
[16:34] <qqz> IniGit: https://www.elstel.org/software/GnuPG-usage.html.en
[16:35] <TJ-> dmnur: eraserpencil1 from the dmesg: [    0.000000] DMI: Alienware Alienware m15/0CNR45, BIOS 1.1.0 09/26/2018
[16:36] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: BIOS 1.2.5: > Disabled the option to downgrade the BIOS version.
[16:38] <eraserpencil1> lovely
[16:38] <dmnur> eraserpencil1: "enhancement", as they put it.
[16:38] <eraserpencil1> now i have an expensive hunk of metal
[16:38] <TJ-> preventing downgrades can be necessary if the data layout has to change
[16:39] <Byan> dmnur: I was using the portable exec. I'm not sure what the issue was but I just upgraded to the new version and it started working
[16:39] <Byan> very strange
[16:39] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: This Alienware has previously worked fine with the installed Ubuntu?
[16:39] <IniGit> qqz: That articles that about other things :D
[16:40] <eraserpencil1> https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware/Alienware-m15-BIOS-update-for-Linux-compatibility/td-p/6241916
[16:40] <ioria> eraserpencil1, already tried acpi=noirq parameter ?
[16:40] <eraserpencil1> not really, im done for the day. flying off tmr so got to start packing
[16:41] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I bet the acpi_osi workaround would solve that
[16:41] <eraserpencil1> i've had weird keybord issues
[16:41] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: it's so common I've written an article and workaround script/instructions for it: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[16:41] <dmnur> Byan: mobaxterm uses Cygwin, and Cygwin stores its Linux-ish files in a special manner. Probably access rights got messed up in some way.
[16:43] <Byan> yes I suppose so
[16:43] <Byan> I never considered that the cygwin environment that the mosh part was using could actually be modified
[16:43] <Byan> but maybe it can
[16:49] <eraserpencil1> i'll probably fix it when im back
[16:50] <dmnur> TJ-: funny, never thought these ACPI workarounds are still needed. The last time I had to use them was long ago, on some old Eee PC netbook.
[16:53] <eraserpencil1> i was always under the the impression that linux compatibility was a thing of the past
[16:56] <Byan> eraserpencil1: compatibility or incompatibility?
[16:56] <Byan> either way, new laptops often dont work perfectly for a while
[16:56] <eraserpencil1> incompatibility
[16:57] <eraserpencil1> there is hope for the future then
[17:00] <TJ-> dmnur: acpi_osi has become very important because the DSDT controls so many vital methods/devices based on the detected OS - and obviously never tested with anything other than Windows
[17:01] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: It's not even so much Linux compatibility so much as very real bugs in the firmware that are papered over when using Windows (which the manufacturers do spend time writing drivers for)
[17:07] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: if the Alienware can be booted to the emergency console once more, and root-fs made writeable, you can find and set the acpi_osi value and test it
[17:09] <eraserpencil1> interesting how you;re more keen on seeing it work
[17:09] <eraserpencil1> im disheartened already
[17:10] <eraserpencil1> is the command systemd.unit=emergency.target?
[17:10] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I've been doing this stuff for so long ... I refuse to allow PCs to beat us
[17:10] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: Yes, that is correct
[17:11] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I've also been coding for so long I seem to be able to slip into a mindset where I can mostly predict why a system behaves the way it does from very small clues
[17:11] <eraserpencil1> alright
[17:11] <eraserpencil1> where do i set acpi?
[17:12] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: first you find out what the setting should be: "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows | sort"
[17:14] <eraserpencil1> windows 2015 is the last entry
[17:14] <eraserpencil1> what are you looking for?
[17:14] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: OK, so now we have to add it. Are you familiar/confortable with any terminal based text editor?
[17:14] <Siamaster> hi
[17:14] <Siamaster> I've done something really bad
[17:14] <eraserpencil1> vim
[17:14] <eraserpencil1> but i guess vi
[17:14] <Kumool> Siamaster: kinky
[17:15] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: right. Do "mount -o remount,rw /"
[17:15] <Siamaster> I did sudo apt-get remove python3.6
[17:15] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: then "vim /etc/default/grub"
[17:15] <Kumool> Siamaster: sounds like a step in the right direction
[17:15] <Siamaster> but python3.6 still exists
[17:15] <Siamaster> but weird stuff is happening
[17:16] <Siamaster> when did remove python3.6 , it took a very long time
[17:16] <eraserpencil1> okay
[17:16] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: in there, goto the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= and add, exactly as I type it here,  acpi_osi=\"Windows 2015\"  inside the existing double-quote marks
[17:16] <Siamaster> a lot of stuff happened
[17:16] <Siamaster> how can I revert this?
[17:16] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: you'll end up with something like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" acpi_osi=\"Windows 2015\""
[17:17] <eraserpencil1> just want to be sure
[17:17] <eraserpencil1> when i ran the grep on windows earlier
[17:18] <eraserpencil1> i had:
[17:18] <eraserpencil1> Windows 2001
[17:18] <eraserpencil1> Windows 2001.1
[17:18] <eraserpencil1> Windows 2001 SP1
[17:18] <eraserpencil1> ...
[17:18] <eraserpencil1> ...
[17:18] <eraserpencil1> Windows 2015
[17:18] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: you use the last one it reports
[17:18] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: we're looking for what seems to be the most recent Windows version
[17:19] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: you'll be un-quieted in a moment or two by the bot, so carry on editing. After saving the file do "update-grub"
[17:20] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: once you've done that double-check it has been added to GRUBs boot-time config with "grep acpi_osi /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[17:20] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: you should see several lines beginning "linux..." as a result
[17:20] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: if you see that, you can test it with a reboot
[17:21] <Siamaster> I'm going to try remove ubuntu-desktop and install it again
[17:21] <Siamaster> Will I lose data?
[17:21] <Siamaster> What stuff should I back up?
[17:22] <TJ-> Siamaster: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, so it doesn't remove anything itself
[17:22] <TJ-> Siamaster: so you can "apt remove ubuntu-desktop && apt install ubuntu-desktop" quite safely
[17:22] <eraserpencil1> you dont wanna try reinstalling python3.6?
[17:22] <Siamaster> that didn't work
[17:23] <Siamaster> I'm still having trouble
[17:23] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: it's hung at the moment. i'll see if it times out
[17:23] <TJ-> Siamaster: did you break apt due to removing python?
[17:23] <Siamaster> no
[17:23] <eraserpencil1> Siamaster: check your symlinks
[17:23] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: that's a shame, looks like Dell have really dropped the ball with the Alienware range
[17:24] <eraserpencil1> really should have went with the XPS
[17:24] <Siamaster> what symlinks? what should I check for?
[17:24] <TJ-> Siamaster: "didn't work" doesn't tell us anything - what precisely failed?
[17:24] <Siamaster> it installed python3.6
[17:24] <Siamaster> I have it now
[17:24] <IniGit> when you do 'sudo dd bs=1M status=progress if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdg' and run out of space the following error will be thrown 'dd: error writing '/dev/sdg': No space left on device'. How do you then stop dd from trying to write? ctrl+c does not work
[17:24] <Siamaster> but my computer is acting weirdly
[17:25] <Siamaster> I have a warning icon on top right about updates failing
[17:25] <TJ-> IniGit: dd should terminate at that point
[17:25] <Siamaster> and more than one cpu is constantly working which it usually doesn't
[17:25] <Siamaster> terminal is weird
[17:25] <Siamaster> chrome has disappeared
[17:26] <Siamaster> etc
[17:26] <IniGit> ok afair I got not back to the $ sign in the terminal to issue a new command. I hope you know what I mean with this :|
[17:26] <IniGit> maybe I can type anyway, I will try that next time
[17:26] <TJ-> IniGit: try just pressing Enter
[17:26] <IniGit> I already closed that terminal
[17:26] <TJ-> IniGit: sometimes the terminal shell gets a bit messed up
[17:26] <eraserpencil1> or kill -i <PID>
[17:26] <eraserpencil1> -9*
[17:26] <IniGit> ok thx :)
[17:26] <eraserpencil1> kill -9 <PID>
[17:27] <IniGit> Also I had another problem when I dd'd my usb stick and just for testing purposes tried to mout it :D my system could not restart anymore
[17:27] <IniGit> Then I pressed the power off button on my pc, because I did not know what to do
[17:27] <IniGit> cancel the mount also didn't work
[17:28] <IniGit> what to do in such a case next time?
[17:28] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: so, the fix you helped me with was in hopes it would work with 16.04. Would you know if the fixes here https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware/Alienware-m15-BIOS-update-for-Linux-compatibility/td-p/6241916 would do good on 16.04
[17:28] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: acpi_osi= is a workaround regardless of kernel version; it is a workaround for the bugs in the PC's own firmware
[17:29] <Byan> IniGit: how did you try to shutdown?
[17:29] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: It duplicates how Windows identifies itself to the firmware, and we know Windows works fine. However, the Alienware Windows drivers may contain additional device-specific workarounds Linux devs aren't told about
[17:30] <IniGit> Byan: via the Gnome GUI->restart
[17:30] <eraserpencil1> you mean ubuntu releases are tied to kernel versions? so 16.04 would never exceed 4.xx? and 18.04 would?
[17:30] <Byan> IniGit: next time try sudo halt
[17:30] <sappheiros> Could you please help me? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1106053/k3b-unable-to-load-kcddb-configuration-module-lubuntu-18-10
[17:30] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: no, nothing of the sort
[17:30] <Byan> also read the output of dmesg to see if you can tell why it doesn't want to shutdown
[17:30] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I generally use kernel 4.20 with all versions of Ubuntu
[17:31] <eraserpencil1> ahh okay
[17:31] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: The Dell forum you linked to suggests "acpi=noirq" could help stop the freeze at boot-time, so you could re-enter emergency mode, and add that as an additional option to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= alongside the acpi_osi= ... do "update-grub" and then test once again
[17:32] <IniGit> Byan: When I press one time short the power off button I get into some kind of terminal, how do I get back from there to gnome? I think this is the dmesg program
[17:33] <Byan> errr what does the text say?
[17:33] <IniGit> I already restarted I don't remember
[17:33] <dmnur> IniGit: `dd` doesn't exit immediately after writing, actually the kernel writes to cache first and then drops it to the USB stick. So you have to wait for a while after that, Ctrl-C won't work. If your USB stick has activity LED, watch it.
[17:33] <Byan> and honestly no idea :P
[17:33] <IniGit> Byan: ok thx :D
[17:33] <Byan> oh wait I think I know what you really mean to ask
[17:34] <Byan> IniGit: you can hit ctrl+alt+f1 to f8
[17:34] <Byan> it swiches between "virtual consoles"
[17:35] <dmnur> IniGit: and probably because of it mounting that busy partition froze GNOME's file manager (or whatever you used to mount) too.
[17:35] <Byan> if you hit ctrl+alt+f1 right now you'll get a terminal on your screen you can log into and do whatever
[17:35] <Byan> to get back to gnome form there its ctrl+alt+f7
[17:35] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: "acpi_osi=\"Windows 2015\" acpi=noirq"
[17:35] <eraserpencil1> yea?
[17:35] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: yes, looks good :)
[17:36] <ioria> sappheiros, probably tou need  kde-config-cddb   ; is it installed ?
[17:36] <Byan> IniGit: try switching from f7 to f1 and back again when you have a second
[17:37] <Byan> you won't see gnome anymore when you go to f1 so dont do too willy nilly though
[17:37] <IniGit> Byan: one sec, I'll let gparted to it's loading first
[17:38] <IniGit> that may take 2-5 min :)
[17:39] <IniGit> Byan: When I press f7 nothing happens
[17:40] <dmnur> IniGit: how much RAM do you have?
[17:40] <IniGit> ctrl+alt+f7 works
[17:40] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: in your experience, how long is the wait for a new laptop to work decently with ubuntu
[17:40] <IniGit> Byan: 32gb
[17:40] <IniGit> ddr3
[17:41] <eraserpencil1> I've never seen so many fails before. But it boots.
[17:41] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: Generally the basics always work but very new peripherals sometimes take some time to get decent drivers - it depends on the manufacturers of PC and the ICs they use
[17:42] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: it booted with noirq?
[17:42] <Siamaster> My ubuntu hard drive is completely ruined
[17:42] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: if so, can you grab the kernel log so I can file it and examine it
[17:42] <dmnur> IniGit: huh, so all these `/dev/zero`s went to RAM, then `dd` printed that no space left, and *only then* the kernel actually started dropping the caches. So you just had to wait a bit.
[17:43] <eraserpencil1> you mean dmesg?
[17:43] <Siamaster> I did reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[17:43] <Siamaster> it didn't make anything better
[17:43] <Siamaster> so I restarted
[17:43] <Siamaster> now I can't enter ubuntu anymore
[17:43] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: yes. if it has network you can install pastebinit, and then do "journalctl -b | pastebinit"
[17:43] <Siamaster> it just says that it's an installation setup
[17:43] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: journal includes more interesting info than dmesg alone
[17:43] <Siamaster> I'm on Windows now
[17:44] <Siamaster> can I access the files on that hard drive from here?
[17:44] <Siamaster> I have two hard drives in my computer
[17:44] <IniGit> Byan: ok thx and I think that is the console that I saw at that mounting problem
[17:44] <Siamaster> and I can't log into ubuntu
[17:45] <eraserpencil1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fTkTrH2Xqn
[17:46] <dmnur> Siamaster: unfortunately you can't access Linux filesystems from Windows. You'll need to enter recovery mode or boot from Live USB to fix your installation.
[17:46] <sappheiros> ioria: not installed. i will try installing it in the Muon Package Manager. thank you. should i restart my computer after installing it? (or is that peculiar only to older Windows OS?)
[17:47] <Siamaster> Should I not trust this? https://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/ dmnur
[17:49] <dmnur> Siamaster: I wouldn't. And it looks like that they didn't update it for a while.
[17:50] <dmnur> Siamaster: you can boot from Live USB and copy files from there if you need.
[17:50] <dmnur> Siamaster: from Live USB, you'll be able to access both Linux and Windows filesystems.
[17:51] <eraserpencil1> What would noirq mean for my system?
[17:51] <sappheiros> ioria: the CDDB settings panel now opens in K3b. thank you.
[17:56] <ioria> sappheiros,ok
[17:57] <sappheiros> did ioria just leave? i can't tab-complete the name now
[17:57] <TJ-> eraserpencil: just had a first scan through; the kernel is suggesting yet another additional option to add to its command-line: "pci=biosirq" :)
[17:57] <sappheiros> i posted the solution to the askubuntu thread there.
[17:57] <sappheiros> thanks again
[17:57] <Siamaster> dmnur that program works fine
[17:58] <Siamaster> and I'm able to see all files in all folders
[17:58] <Siamaster> except the ones in Downloads
[17:58] <Siamaster> how come?
[17:58] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: What the log reveals, compared to the previous log, is the bug in the PCs firmware is that is incorrectly reporting the interrupt requests assigned to all devices. Probably what then happens is the Linux kernel gets stuck in an interrupt handler in some way
[17:58] <eraserpencil1> sappheiros: sudo apt-get install bash-completion
[17:59] <Siamaster> is there something special about the Downloads folder?
[17:59] <Siamaster> all other folders are 4 kb, this one is 12 kb but is empty
[18:00] <eraserpencil1> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=\"Windows 2015\" acpi=noirq pci=biosirq"
[18:00] <eraserpencil1> aye?
[18:01] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: you're getting the hang of this :)
[18:01] <eraserpencil1> it seems i cant use my nvidia graphics card for now
[18:01] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: if this re-enables kernel to handle IRQs that should improve
[18:01] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: on that last boot many devices IRQ assignments couldn't be found
[18:02] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: it might have taken me a year, but i learnt how to copy and paste from the terminal
[18:02] <Bashing-om> eraserpencil1: Wayland as the DE ??
[18:02] <eraserpencil1> no x11...im still on 16.04
[18:03] <Bashing-om> eraserpencil1: :) K, then scratch that thought .
[18:04] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: i'm gonna be in and out irc, now that this is booting, my debugging laptop cant connect via wifi coincidentally
[18:04] <eraserpencil1> would there be anything you'd like me to look out for during boot?
[18:05] <dmnur> Siamaster: Windows drivers for Linux filesystems are not reliable, there may be some issues. That's why I recommended booting from Live USB in the first place. You can also try Ext2Fsd (https://www.ext2fsd.com/) if you really want to do it from Windows, but no guarantee there too.
[18:06] <TJ-> dmnur: long time since I used Windows, but is it possible to use a HyperV or VirtualBox VM to access the installed Ubuntu?
[18:07] <TJ-> dmnur: I'm not sure how good/bad Windows is at allowing direct access to devices for VMs
[18:07] <sappheiros> K3b doesn't rip the CD -- it just changes the track info from what I put to the incorrect info it detected.
[18:08] <dmnur> TJ-: VirtualBox allows you to access whole disks as raw devices, not sure if it's true for partitions though.
[18:09] <ioria> sappheiros, audio cd ? .wav files
[18:09] <sappheiros> ioria: i don't understand your comment ".wav files"
[18:09] <sappheiros> i was wanting to create mp3 or other audio track to copy from my laptop to my Android cellphone
[18:10] <sappheiros> to listen to the CD on my cellphone
[18:10] <sappheiros> how do i do this when the default software (K3b) doesn't work?
[18:10] <ioria> sappheiros, ok, but the cd what formats it gests ?
[18:10] <TJ-> dmnur: wholedisk would be the way, since the VM would then boot from the disk as it is intended (using the boot loader)
[18:10] <sappheiros> ioria: i think this laptop detects the CD files as .wav. i have never connected my new cellphone to this laptop before.
[18:10] <dmnur> TJ-: yeah, but if Windows itself is on that disk...
[18:11] <ioria> sappheiros, ok, install sound-juicer   and lubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:11] <TJ-> dmnur: shouldn't make a difference as long as the VM can connect, they're not going to access each other's partitions
[18:11] <TJ-> dmnur: boot-loader stage is read-only
[18:13] <dmnur> TJ-: I mean, you won't be able to pass the whole disk from which you've currently booted Windows. No chance.
[18:13] <TJ-> dmnur: ahhh, that was what I was getting at. Silly Windows :)
[18:14] <eraserpencil1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bSDxRDb9md/
[18:15] <sappheiros> Discover still won't load on my lubuntu 18.10 i386 installation. :(
[18:15] <sappheiros> ioria: thanks, i will open Muon Package Manager and try
[18:16] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: There mate?
[18:16] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: didn't help I see
[18:16] <ioria> sappheiros, i'd go with the command line
[18:16] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: new log already saved here and examined :)
[18:16] <sappheiros> ioria: i don't know how
[18:16] <ioria> sappheiros, sudo apt install sound-juicer
[18:16] <eraserpencil1> well i guess that's that then
[18:17] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I'm afraid so. If I were in front of the Alienware I'd probably be able to make more progress
[18:17] <ioria> sappheiros, in lxterminal, i mean
[18:18] <sappheiros> thank you. i'm trying that now. i am concerned because one of the suggested packages is called "gstreamer1.0-plugins-really-bad"
[18:18] <sappheiros> it seems bad to install a package named "really-bad"
[18:18] <dmnur> sappheiros: :D that's totally fine!
[18:18] <eraserpencil1> i think so too
[18:18] <sappheiros> ??
[18:18] <sappheiros> dmnur: what does it mean?
[18:19] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: OH! " Alienware kernel: PCI: Unknown option `biosirq'" .... hmmm
[18:19] <dmnur> sappheiros: it's "really-bad" because of the licensing and quality issues, but works anyway.
[18:19] <sappheiros> quality issues? is it prone to crashing?
[18:19] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: and yet later it does say " kernel: pcieport 0000:00:01.0: can't find IRQ for PCI INT A; please try using pci=biosirq"
[18:20] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: looks like someone forgot there were mentions of that option and removed it
[18:20] <dmnur> sappheiros: nah, won't crash, just not very pretty. Don't mind it.
[18:21] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: ahhh, more subtle than that. pci=biosirq only applies to 32-bit Intel, not 64-bit
[18:21] <sappheiros> okay. i have installed them, and i suppose now will run 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove 'no longer required' packages chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra gstreamer1.0-libav gstreamer1.0-vaapi libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libpango1.0-0 libpangox-1.0-0 ubuntu-restricted-addons
[18:21] <sappheiros>   ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:21] <ioria> sappheiros, that pkg it's only suggested not installed
[18:22] <eraserpencil1> how do you even know what to look out for
[18:22] <sappheiros> ... should i just leave all those packages installed? maybe they'll be used in the future?
[18:22] <ioria> sappheiros, did you install also lubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[18:22] <eraserpencil1> but i have to turn in. I have a plane to catch  tmr and its 2.30am here
[18:23] <sappheiros> ioria: i decided not to 'sudo apt autoremove' and instead only execute 'sudo apt install lubuntu-restricted-extras' next
[18:23] <sappheiros> is it better to 'sudo apt autoremove' to prevent packages from conflicting with each other executing at the same time occasionally?
[18:23] <ioria> sappheiros, just installlubuntu-restricted
[18:24] <sappheiros> done
[18:24] <sappheiros> installed lubuntu-restricted-extras, did not run 'sudo apt autoremove'
[18:24] <sappheiros> opening sound juicer from the start menu now
[18:24] <ioria> sappheiros,  where did you get that 'autoremove' message ?
[18:25] <sappheiros> lxterminal when running each of those sudo apt install commands. when installing lubuntu-restricted-extras, the packages suggested to autoremove were libpango1.0-0 libpangox-1.0-0
[18:25] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: thanks alot for your help. I'll catch up with again when i'm back.
[18:25] <dmnur> sappheiros: don't worry about the conflicts, package maintainers handle them; if one package conflicts with another, they'll make sure that only one of them (or none) will be installed.
[18:26] <sappheiros> great :D
[18:26] <ioria> sappheiros,  ok, reboot  and then open sound-juicer
[18:26] <eraserpencil1> dmnur: thanks as well!
[18:26] <sappheiros> if i sudo apt autoremove later, will it uninstall *all* unused packages -- i.e. both sets listed in the previous two commands?
[18:26] <ioria> sappheiros,  yes
[18:27] <sappheiros> sound juicer appeared to open fine from the start menu, but i will close everything and reboot 'cause ioria said so ...
[18:28] <dmnur> sappheiros: yeah: `autoremove` uninstalls all packages that you didn't manually install and for which there are no other packages that depend on them.
[18:40] <DVA5912> Whats the offtopic channel
[18:41] <dmnur> DVA5912: #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:42] <DVA5912> dmnur, 10-4, thanks!
[18:46] <Siamaster> ok, I figured I don't like Windows anyway, so I installed Ubuntu on the hard drive with Windows
[18:46] <Siamaster> so I have 2 hard drives, two ubuntu.
[18:47] <Siamaster> I can browse through the folders of the other hard drive
[18:47] <Siamaster> but no concrete files in the home directory are visible
[18:47] <Siamaster> but I know they are there, I can see them as root in recovery mode
[18:47] <Siamaster> can I mount that drive in some way so everything is visible?
[18:51] <TJ-> Siamaster: does the other install use a separate /home/ file-system ?
[18:51] <Siamaster> nvm, I was looking in wrong place, sorry
[18:51] <Siamaster> everything is visible :D
[18:51] <TJ-> Siamaster: :)
[18:52] <Siamaster> great, I got rid of Windows and now have a fresh Ubuntu with latest version
[18:52] <Siamaster> not a bad outcome of remove python :P
[18:53] <Siamaster> I had planned to do this anywy
[18:54] <TJ-> Siamaster: not the best way of going about it though :D
[18:55] <Siamaster> haha, no
[19:12] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to setup a multi-boot USB disk that loopmounts Ubuntu family ISO installation media, and I'm having issues with the actual installation portion of the process. It boots up fine, but then complains about /dev/sdb (or similar) has mounted partitions and offers/tries to unmount them. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot/Examples provides some documentation on this, but it's old. Very old.
[19:12] <Psi-Jack> The mounted partitions it'
[19:13] <Psi-Jack> The mounted partitions it talks about are /isodevice and likely /cdrom (the loopmounted ISO)
[19:18] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: can you please show your GRUB configuration for that USB disk? Use https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:19] <Psi-Jack> Sure can. One moment,
[19:21] <Psi-Jack> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qDVCSmr6M8/ -- relevant lines are 405-418, 434-441
[19:22] <sappheiros> thanks ioria, that worked for the first CD I copied, but now I have a new problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1106076/how-to-fix-sound-juicer-cannot-access-cd-the-name-1-36-was-not-provided
[19:22] <sappheiros> but i just seem to have fonud a workaround
[19:22] <sappheiros> i closed soundjuicer, put in the CD, selected soundjuicer from the "You've put something in"-type window prompt, and this time sound juicer read the CD (though unknown info for me to add to the musicbrainz database)
[19:23] <sappheiros> so it seems to be a bug that occurs if i keep sound juicer open after copying a CD
[19:23] <sappheiros> closing it and starting it fresh with a new CD seems to resolve the bug ...
[19:23] <Cognitohazard> Does anyone else have trouble launching games on Steam with Steam Play?
[19:27] <SlidingHorn> Cognitohazard: Better to just ask your *next* question rather than the exploratory one.  More detail is better :)
[19:27] <Psi-Jack> dmnur: Any thoughts? ;)
[19:28] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: thinking, I'll let you know if I find something.
[19:29] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty. Yeah, been trying to figure this out for a while myself. Since either 14.04 or 16.04, this method, which is similar to the documented 12.04 one, has not worked.
[19:30] <Psi-Jack> Sadly, it's mostly related to the installer itself, as where it breaks is partway into the installation screens.
[19:32] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: yeah, that's the installer issue, I'm trying to find a way to trick it.
[19:32] <Cognitohazard> SlidingHorn: Essentially, I've updated Mesa to 18.2.x via terminal and opted into the Steam Client Beta, but games do not launch. My steam username turns green (showing that I *should* be in-game), but nothing else happens. No new window ever appears.
[19:33] <Psi-Jack> dmnur: What is the installer itself called, do you know? I've mostly been looking at the casper documentation, which covers mostly the kernel command-line parameters.
[19:33] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: Ubiquity
[19:33] <Psi-Jack> Ahh right.
[19:34] <Psi-Jack> The same name as the company that makes my home networking equipment. LOL
[19:34] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: and it uses Debian Installer under the hood, so there are two holes to dig.
[19:34] <Psi-Jack> Ayup.
[19:34] <Psi-Jack> Funny thing. Debian's works. :)
[19:36] <Psi-Jack> I have two of these USB sticks, one's straight MBR with multiple ISOs similar to this, and this one I showed you which is a hybrid MBR+EFI, which has some of the same, but some differences currently.
[19:40] <arooni> gnome shell extensions seem buggy as heck
[19:40] <arooni> is that anyone elses experience (18.04)
[19:44] <Psi-Jack> dmnur: Hmmmm... Seems the possible options might be to use casper's 'toram' option, or manually umount /isodevice before running the installer..
[19:47] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: yes (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1734430), but there should be a way to tell Ubiquity to not touch the installation media at all.
[19:47] <Psi-Jack> Heh, /should/ be able to yes. heh heh
[19:47] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. I tried the toram option, and I still see /isodevice mounted. hmm
[19:48] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: yep, just as this bug describes.
[19:50] <ioria> sappheiros, well done
[19:52] <Psi-Jack> Well, manually unmounting it /does/ seem to work..... At the very least..
[19:56] <Bill_Gates> where can I download ucuntu
[19:57] <Bill_Gates> (yes its a real distro)
[19:57] <d9a> Bill_Gates: Use your favorite search engine and find the site?
[19:57] <Bill_Gates> YEY!
[19:57] <Bill_Gates> internet explorer 5
[19:57] <geirha> do a google search on bing
[19:57] <Bill_Gates> bing? whats that
[19:58] <SlidingHorn> Bill_Gates: this isn't on topic for this channel
[19:58] <Bill_Gates> it must be because people are replying
[19:59] <Bill_Gates> please tell me what channel is for ucuntu then
[19:59] <SlidingHorn> Bill_Gates: if you have an *ubuntu* support question, then by all means ask it.  Otherwise, please leave the channel open for those who do
[19:59] <Bill_Gates> and ill join there
[19:59] <SlidingHorn> !alis | Bill_Gates
[19:59] <Bill_Gates> tried it
[19:59] <ioria> Bill_Gates, you can download it directly from YT
[20:00] <Bill_Gates> oh cool
[20:00] <ioria> Bill_Gates, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkm2tS5CptE
[20:00] <Bill_Gates> thanks
[20:00] <Bill_Gates> yeah this works
[20:01] <ioria> Bill_Gates, at your service
[20:02] <Bill_Gates> Hi, you've reached bill, unfortunatley I am out of the office right now but will get back to you  as soon as possible. Thanks, Bill.
[20:04] <sappheiros> ioria: do you mean for finding a workaround regarding that .service file error? The problem is that now I am not able to reproduce the bug, i.e. it did not give me that error message when inserting disc 3 after copying disc 2
[20:05] <SkyRocknRoIl> hi
[20:05] <ioria> sappheiros, that's good,not bad
[20:06] <capeIla> hi
[20:06] <sappheiros> ioria: why do you think that? I think it is bad because it implies we do not know the cause of the error, implying it could happen again in the future.
[20:07] <ioria> sappheiros, i think it's adbus error
[20:07] <capeIla> windows XP is the best OS
[20:09] <sappheiros> is adbus described at https://github.com/jmckaskill/adbus/blob/master/README.md ?
[20:09] <sappheiros> capeIla: why's that? also, #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:09] <Psi-Jack> dmnur: Yeah, well, I managed to get things installed and working with manually lazy umounting the /isodevice.
[20:09] <Psi-Jack> And is nobody going to boot the troll out?
[20:10] <Psi-Jack> heh
[20:11] <ioria> sappheiros, sorry,   i think it's a   'dbus'  error
[20:11] <Psi-Jack> See.. Sometimes just calling them out is quite effective. :)
[20:12] <ioria> sappheiros, sound-juicer is a very old pkg, maybe not optimazied with the new/current  ubuntu system
[20:18] <ioria> sappheiros, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-juicer/+bug/627008
[20:20] <ioria> sappheiros, you can add yourself to the bug report
[20:21] <sappheiros> trying to add a comment but i got a timeout error just now
[20:25] <sappheiros> is it a good idea to install gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect requiring the installation of multiple KDE packages for lubuntu 18.10?
[20:25] <sappheiros> well, maybe it's gnome dependencies, not kde
[20:25] <sappheiros> i don't know, it's a lot of new packages it looks like
[20:26] <sappheiros> i'm trying to enable copying audio files to my phone from this laptop
[20:26] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/a/1106072/761477
[20:27] <ioria> sappheiros, lubuntu 18.10 uses lxqt not gnome-shell
[20:27] <sappheiros> installing now via Muon Package Manager - i figure i can always uninstall it if something doesn't ... ... work ...
[20:27] <sappheiros> yeah i thought that ... ... am i now breaking my system installing all these packages?
[20:27] <ioria> sappheiros, let me know if it works
[20:28] <sappheiros> ;_; it's asking me to pick a default display manager, sddm or gdm3
[20:28] <sappheiros> this is an old laptop; i'm afraid i'm about to break it (slow it to a halt trying to run gnome instead of lxqt)
[20:28] <ioria> ssdm
[20:29] <FastZ> does it have a serial port, sappheiros?
[20:29] <ioria> sappheiros, gdm is for ubuntu, ssdm is the new dm for lubuntu
[20:30] <sappheiros> thanks, ioria
[20:30]  * sappheiros checks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port
[20:30] <sappheiros> FastZ: it  has USB and VGA -- and, uh, i guess the other one looking a bit larger than VGA might be for a printer from a decade ago
[20:30] <sappheiros> (and ethernet)
[20:31] <ioria> serial port for what ?
[20:31] <sappheiros> yes i think it has a serial port, looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port#/media/File:Gender_Changer_IMG_1441.JPG
[20:31] <FastZ> just wondering how old his "old laptop" is.
[20:31] <TJ-> sappheiros: a bit larget than VGA could be a game/MIDI controller port
[20:31] <ioria> vga
[20:32] <TJ-> sappheiros: VGA has 15 pins in 3 rows (DB15); a small serial has 9 pins over 2 rows (DB9)
[20:32] <sappheiros> 179 packages to install/upgrade ...
[20:32] <sappheiros> i feel like this was a mistake
[20:32] <ioria> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj80djxts3fAhVDsqQKHV--AU8QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FNew-RGB-D-sub-9-Pin-To-D-sub-15-Pin-VGA-Video-Adapter-Cable-%2F323464239052&psig=AOvVaw35SJXl94VGYt0HbddSzPuk&ust=1546461156619460
[20:33] <sappheiros> TJ-: the port next to my VGA is 9 pin
[20:33] <sappheiros> DB9 i suppose
[20:33] <sappheiros> 5 and 4
[20:33] <TJ-> sappheiros: sounds like it
[20:33] <sappheiros> is it for a printer like i thought?
[20:33] <TJ-> sappheiros: modem, null-modem to another device
[20:33] <sappheiros> FastZ: is it sufficiently old? :P it's a latitude d620
[20:33] <sappheiros> (dell)
[20:34] <TJ-> sappheiros: most older printers vbefore USB were Centronics parallel
[20:34] <sappheiros> $90 amazon.com 1-2 years ago
[20:34] <sappheiros> seems to come from the malaysia market (info on underside)
[20:34] <TJ-> before serial DB9 we had DB25 (25 pins in 2 rows of 13 and 12)
[20:35] <FastZ> Nice, sappheiros! I still have a d610, but the battery is bad so I really need to just toss it, but I can't bring myself to do so
[20:35] <ioria> TJ-, it's for direct connecting two PCs, right ?
[20:35]  * sappheiros recently listened to _The Hoarder in You_ audiobook from his public library
[20:35] <TJ-> sappheiros: so this is yours? https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/dell_d620_anschluesse_01.jpg
[20:36] <TJ-> ioria: Serial? can be with a null-modem cable (which just does cross-over of the Tx/Rx and RTS/CTS lines, plus sometimes the DTR/DSR
[20:36] <FastZ> sorry, i misspoke. It's a D630
[20:36] <ioria> TJ-, i see
[20:37]  * FastZ is sorry for getting everyone off on a serial port tangent
[20:37] <TJ-> sappheiros: so this then: looks the same: http://thenetstore.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/t87-140046-call13-jfwd-xd_2.jpg
[20:37] <sappheiros> TJ-: yes, though the side left of the ethernet has something next to the two USB slots i don't recognize in that image
[20:37] <sappheiros> *that image has ... i don't recognize
[20:38] <TJ-> sappheiros: that'll be an RJ11 phone line port for the internal modem (for dial-up over PSTN)
[20:38] <sappheiros> yes indeed
[20:38] <sappheiros> that's on the back, not on the right-side next to the 2 USB. i have a CD drive next to my 2 USB on the right,
[20:39] <ioria> sappheiros, ca you paste   lspci -nnk
[20:40] <ioria> sappheiros,  lspci -nnk  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:40] <sappheiros> lol why is everyone undressing my computer
[20:41] <ioria> sappheiros,  undressing ?
[20:41] <sappheiros> hm, installation of those packages seems to have finished ... a little concerning it didn't give me any confirmation message to come back to
[20:42] <TJ-> sappheiros: it's like a trip down memory lane, undressing it :) On the lect looks to have sound in/out, Firewire (IEEE1394) and a PC-Card slot
[20:42] <ioria> sappheiros,  just curious of what module the internal modem has
[20:43] <frib> just installed 18.04LTS and my touchpad taps don't work -- what should I do? thanks
[20:43] <TJ-> ioria: likely part of the sound chipset, that used to be quite common (soft-modem). There used to be a company called LinModem that sold drivers for them
[20:44] <ioria> TJ-,    AC'97 ?
[20:44] <sappheiros> https://bpaste.net/show/b1933e81b0b9
[20:44] <ioria> sappheiros, thanks
[20:45] <ioria> i don't see it
[20:45] <TJ-> ioria: as I recall it was proprietary extensions; I recall buying licences in the 1990s
[20:46] <ioria> TJ-,   yep
[20:47] <sappheiros> i don't know how to proceed to try using KDE Connect, and now he's saying it won't work anyhow: https://askubuntu.com/a/1106072/761477
[20:47] <ioria> sappheiros, read something about waiting for 19.04 .... but not sure
[20:47] <sappheiros> i guess i'll mark for removal all the packages i just installed in Muon Package Manager ...
[20:48] <sappheiros> ? you mean you want me to search about 19.04? i don't really want to leave these files until april ...
[20:48] <ioria> sappheiros, sy
[20:48] <sappheiros> sy?
[20:48] <ioria> 'oh, I'm sorry, this only works with GNOME. I thought you were using Ubuntu 18.10'
[20:48] <TJ-> wow! actually found the site I bought from, Linuxant (for the Conexant chipsets) http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/
[20:49] <ioria> sappheiros, sorry
[20:49] <daveomcd> how can i correct this when doing `sudo apt update`: Err:5 https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian stable InRelease
[20:49] <daveomcd>   The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1507181400  KEYEXPIRED 1546372003  KEYEXPIRED 1546372003  KEYEXPIRED 1507181400  KEYEXPIRED 1546372003  KEYEXPIRED 1507181400  KEYEXPIRED 1546372003 ?
[20:50] <SlidingHorn> daveomcd: you may need to check with the yarn devs to see what's wrong with their keys.
[20:50] <sappheiros> -_- i removed it but it only removed a few Kb from the one package, leaving all the 118 MB dependencies
[20:50] <TJ-> daveomcd: looks like the signing keys for the repository have expired (those numbers look like Unix timestamps)
[20:51] <sappheiros> now doing sudo apt autoremove but that's likewise only freeing 5610 KB
[20:51] <TJ-> sappheiros: there's a log of what was installed in /var/log/apt/history.log you can use to remove the unwanted packages
[20:51] <TJ-> sappheiros: go to the end of the log file, and work backwards, you'll see "Install: " lines
[20:52] <sappheiros> thanks, but that's so many things i don't know how to simply uninstall them all: https://bpaste.net/show/ad1b70465755
[20:53] <sappheiros> i also don't know whether that's listing packages that were already in use by other software, such that if i remove them it'll break my system
[20:53] <sappheiros> as in, "we're reinstalling this package even though it was already on your PC"
[20:56] <sappheiros> (i don't know if it did that)
[20:56] <TJ-> sappheiros: what we can do id identify the key top-level packages that depend on everything else, remove those, and then autoremove will do the rest
[20:58] <TJ-> sappheiros: start with "apt remove gnome-shell gnome-session-bin"
[20:59] <TJ-> sappheiros: then "apt autoremove" should remove a lot more
[20:59] <sappheiros> that seems to require sudo
[20:59] <TJ-> sappheiros: yes :)
[21:00] <sappheiros> that freed up about 52 MB, thanks ... i wonder about the remaining 70 MB or so ...
[21:02] <sappheiros> if curious, terminal output: https://bpaste.net/show/2b457d82f038
[21:02] <frib> I just installed 18.04LTS and my touchpad taps don't work (only presses work) -- what should I do? thanks
[21:03] <frib> also I can shift+Tab but not alt+shift+tab
[21:03] <TJ-> sappheiros: also "sudo apt remove ubuntu-session"
[21:04] <TJ-> sappheiros: possibly also remove 'gdm3'
[21:05] <sappheiros> Package 'ubuntu-session' is not installed, so not removed
[21:06] <TJ-> sappheiros: one of the other commands removed it then I guess.. yes, I see it in your 2nd paste
[21:06] <sappheiros> Package 'gdm3' is not installed, so not removed
[21:08] <TJ-> sappheiros: try "gnome-control-center"
[21:14] <sappheiros> that got a bunch more
[21:15] <sappheiros> 5217 kb + autoremove's 37.9 MB
[21:15] <TJ-> sappheiros: that's about the best we can do for now; hurts the eyes scanning that list :)
[21:16] <sappheiros> thank you ... i'm glad for the community support, but i don't understand why the muon package manager isn't set to automatically remove whatever was just installed -- i mean, wouldn't we expect that if 1 package is installed requiring 178 others, that immediately removing that 1 package, it would check to see if anything else was using those 178 others, and if not, remove them as well?
[21:17] <TJ-> sappheiros: not as easy as you make it sound, but I agree, a basic 'undo' would be a usability improvement
[21:18] <sappheiros> that last batch's list: https://bpaste.net/show/e5cfd94707c4 ... i guess i should go through now and compare my history log with whatever hasn't been uninstalled from those 'sweeps' ..
[21:18] <sappheiros> ... my bedroom's still a mess, though ... and all this was to have something to listen to while organizing it XD
[21:19] <TJ-> sappheiros: ignore the packages starting with 'lib' and focus on the others; they will depend on 'lib...' packages so once removed 'apt autoremove' will remove the 'lib...' packages
[21:19] <TJ-> sappheiros: :D typical
[21:19] <sappheiros> you mean "they have lib packages as dependencies"?
[21:20] <TJ-> sappheiros: indeed
[21:20] <sappheiros> thanks
[21:21] <TJ-> sappheiros: I'll write a script to figure out the list :)
[21:22] <sappheiros> XD i appreciate it ... i was thinking i should do the same to improve my programming skill ... i need to sew a button on a jacket and prepare for a job interview tomorrow morning though ... ...
[21:22] <sappheiros> too much to do @_@ and here i was wanting to try out FICS ...
[21:24] <AbaShoppeR> anybody have the ISO for ubuntu I can install onto this: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP620?locale=en_US
[21:24] <AbaShoppeR> I didn't see it in the downloads section
[21:26] <leftyfb> AbaShoppeR: https://www.ubuntu.com/download
[21:27] <leftyfb> AbaShoppeR: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop for desktop, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server for server. Both linked to from the first link I gave you
[21:33] <AbaShoppeR> @leftyfb, isn't there a special MAC Image I need?
[21:33] <leftyfb> AbaShoppeR: no Intel-based mac's, no. It's Intel
[21:35] <TJ-> sappheiros: 179 packages sound about correct?
[21:36] <TJ-> sappheiros: here's the list in a script that also re-writes it suitably for feedin to apt
[21:36] <TJ-> sappheiros: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t6qVbDFbrR/
[21:37] <TJ-> sappheiros: if you can "download as text" and save it as something like pkg.sh and then do 'chmod +x pkg.sh' you can do "sudo apt remove $(./pkg.sh)"
[23:26] <jesse1010> how is zfs support on ubuntu 18.0.4.1?
[23:41] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: add this to kernel command line: partman/filter_mounted=false
[23:43] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: in case it will ask you at a later time, add more: ubiquity/partman-skip-unmount=true
[23:44] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: there parameters are safe: the installer won't let you modify mounted partitions anyway.
[23:46] <SlidingHorn> jesse1010: it's supported on 64-bit architecture as of 16.04
[23:47] <SlidingHorn> jesse1010: You may have to install a utils package for it, if I remember correctly
[23:49] <OerHeks> ZFS for storage, fine
[23:51] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: the bug is here, see lines 168, 206 and 215: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-base/tree/init.d/parted?h=ubuntu/bionic
[23:52] <Psi-Jack> dmnur: Hmmm, interesting.
[23:52] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: it actually checks for installation media partitions, but does it wrong for loop devices.
[23:52] <Psi-Jack> heh
[23:53] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: so in the end, blame Debian. :D
[23:53] <Psi-Jack> Reaaally?
[23:56] <dmnur> Psi-Jack: yeah, these are upstream bugs, not downstream. Well, whatever. Needs fixing, I hope I'll figure out something and send them patches.
[23:56] <Psi-Jack> dmnur: That's awesome. And Yes, please. You've dug pretty deep to find these it seems. ;)
[23:57] <jesse1010> who is responsible for kubuntu? is it the official ubuntu team?