[17:14] <rsully> Any tips on how to debug a VM that is stuck on cloud-init during boot? It gets through network devices and routes, then hangs
[17:15] <lordcirth> rsully, anything in syslog?
[17:15] <rsully> lordcirth how could I check that exactly? ssh isn't started yet
[17:15] <lordcirth> Ah, so you don't have a tty either? Just a stuck boot?
[17:17] <rsully> nada, this is what I see from VNC: https://other.f1le.me/view/f289d95e48a629db386f2143436e9afd
[17:23] <lordcirth> rsully, ah ok. In the past I've added a serial console device to the VM, logging to disk.  Depending on the type of freeze, that might get you more info
[18:42] <tomreyn> rsully: are you sure it's stuck? since i've seen VMs spill this info after they printed the login prompt
[18:42] <tomreyn> i.e. it may just be up and running and waiting for you to ssh
[18:43] <tomreyn> (but yes i guess you should be able to hit enter and get another login prompt)
[19:27] <rsully> tomreyn no its stuck, ssh does not work, does not respond to enters
[19:28] <tomreyn> i see
[19:45] <Gorian> so, no more "minimal" or "vm" install option in the ISO installer - any other options besides the cloud image + cloud init?
[20:01] <tomreyn> Gorian: mini.iso still exists, and so does the alternatice server installer
[20:01] <Gorian> where/
[20:01] <Gorian> *?
[20:02] <tomreyn> ubuntu.com/download
[20:09] <Gorian> ... that's not helpful at all. I've searched all over the damn place, and I've found cloud images,which seem to require cloud-init. I've found installers for powerpc and arm (alternative installers), and the normal ubuntu server install, which has no minimal options
[20:09] <Gorian> I've found nothing offering minimal installation, and linking to the default download page certainly doesn't tell where it is either
[20:10] <Gorian> ubuntu.com/download > "Ubuntu Server"  https://i.imgur.com/cwR5qrA.png "ubuntu 18.04 LTS and Ubuntu 18.10"
[20:11] <Gorian> ubuntu.com/download > "https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud" - disk images that require me to write them directly to the VM disk and then initialize with cloud-init, as far as i can tell from running them
[20:12] <tomreyn> Gorian: on the first screenshot you posted, does it mention "alternative"?
[20:13] <Gorian> yes, did you see my comment about the alternative installers being for powerpc and arm and shit?
[20:13] <Gorian> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.1/release/
[20:13] <Gorian> as far as I can tell, the AMD64 installer is no different from the one linked on the main page
[20:13] <tomreyn> it is
[20:14] <tomreyn> it is different
[20:14] <tomreyn> the default server installer how has "live" in its file name. the alternative one is the old-style debian-installer without "live" in its name
[20:15] <Gorian> So, when I mentioned that I looked at all of those things, and then specifically mention that I looked at the alternative installers, wouldn't it have been easier to say "the alternative installer for amd64 does what you want" instead of linking the same download page I had already scoured for a half hour?
[20:15] <Gorian> 🤦
[20:16] <tomreyn> i told you you may want the alternative installer, first thing i told you.
[20:17] <tomreyn> the other image i mentioned, mini.iso, has always been next to the netinstall stuff, and it still is: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[20:20] <tomreyn> this said, i'm not sure either of these installers offer a "minimal installation" choice. they just create small installations by default.
[20:20] <tomreyn> the smallest you can create is probably one based on debootstrap, though.
[20:21] <tomreyn> but then, size is not everything. will it suit your needs? i don't know (i don't know your needs).
[20:52] <Gorian> tomreyn: I'll try it out, thanks.
[20:55] <Gorian> and, actually, debbootstrap isn't a terrible idea 🤔
[21:36] <tomreyn> Gorian: if you debootstrap, go with the latest, i.e. disco
[21:36] <Gorian> noted
[21:53] <Ussat> Just classic......
[21:53] <Ussat> Lab orderes a Dell w/Ubuntu 16.04 preinstalled, thats OK......they get it configured with 4X 1TB SSD's, thats ok also,  it has NO LVM......WTF ya all smoking ??
[21:53] <Ussat> sigh
[21:53] <Ussat> So I figure, OK NP, I will reinstall with the Dell iso....oh wait.......its all scripted and gives you no configure options
[21:53] <Ussat> it just does its thing
[21:54]  * Ussat cries
[22:04] <TJ-> Ussat: reconfigure in-place from initialramfs :)
[22:09] <Ussat> I am waiting to see what the Lab wants it set up as...... if they just want a big 4TB disk, I am just gonna add them all to / and be done with it
[22:09] <Ussat> I just find it totally assinine they did not use a LVM
[22:12] <Ussat> I am half tempted to call Dell to find out
[22:13] <Gorian> use ZFS?
[22:14] <Ussat> I could I guess......
[22:14] <Ussat> need to see how they want this thing
[22:14] <Gorian> ah, that's always fun
[22:14] <Ussat> Oh its ALWAYS fun here
[22:19] <tomreyn> there are actually applications where you want JBOD, such as big data
[22:19] <Ussat> Right, this isnt that
[22:19] <tomreyn> so *maybe* they actuall yordered it this way
[22:20] <tomreyn> ok
[22:20] <tomreyn> ;)
[22:20] <Ussat> and if youre doin "big data" 4TB is a drop in the bucket, a VERY big bucket
[22:21] <tomreyn> true. also you'd probably want a small raid-1 for the OS
[22:24] <tomreyn> Gorian: fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/1810123