| cousteau | ah, you mean sudo apt clean... I think that's not bad; it just deletes the packages you downloaded, but does not uninstall them; just deletes the "installers" | 00:01 |
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| xubuntu89w | Home User only returns bash: root | 00:02 |
| xubuntu89w | I am working off the installer system | 00:03 |
| xubuntu89w | Can't login, get black screen the fresh login, a loop | 00:05 |
| cousteau | can you login on the tty? | 00:05 |
| cousteau | Ctrl-Alt-F1 | 00:06 |
| xubuntu89w | tried renaming ICEauthority and Xauthority but still get same result. | 00:06 |
| cousteau | I'll get that as a yes | 00:06 |
| cousteau | maybe this command will give you insight about possible sudo-related messes: | 00:07 |
| xubuntu89w | cannot login tty on installation system, tried and does not recognize username | 00:07 |
| cousteau | find "$HOME" \! -user "$USER" | 00:07 |
| cousteau | ah... | 00:07 |
| cousteau | oh so you're on a live CD or something? | 00:07 |
| xubuntu89w | i would have to reboot the pc to get back to using my user domain | 00:08 |
| xubuntu89w | yes | 00:09 |
| xubuntu89w | Found it is easier to move around the directory finding files | 00:09 |
| cousteau | ok so just replace "$HOME" and "$USER" with the appropriate values | 00:14 |
| xubuntu89w | I am on a live cd but I have xubuntu dual boot with win10 on HD. I am using CD to troubleshoot | 00:15 |
| cousteau | `ls -l` on a partition of an installed OS still shows the owner as specified in the installed OS, not a different one from the live CD, right? (not sure about this) | 00:15 |
| cousteau | anyway. If it does, I guess you can still use `find` to find which files in your home directory are not owned by yourself | 00:16 |
| xubuntu89w | correct ls -l came back with HD cirectory | 00:17 |
| cousteau | then I guess you can do something like find /media/the_partition_where_linux_is_installed/home/subuntu89w \! -user xubuntu89w | 00:18 |
| cousteau | and that'll show you the files that a misuse of sudo might have disowned | 00:20 |
| cousteau | (typically .Xauthority and .ICEauthority, but I'm not sure if there are more) | 00:20 |
| xubuntu89w | find /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/ \! -user g81221 [returned] find: ‘g81221’ is not the name of a known user | 00:21 |
| cousteau | damn | 00:21 |
| xubuntu89w | I ahve bash history | 00:21 |
| cousteau | is [drive]/g81221 the right path? doesn't it have /home in it? (separate /home partition, I guess?) | 00:22 |
| cousteau | anyway, do ls -l /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/ to figure out the user name | 00:23 |
| cousteau | or at least its numeric ID | 00:23 |
| cousteau | and use that numeric ID instead of the user name | 00:23 |
| xubuntu89w | on HD g81221 is the username | 00:23 |
| xubuntu89w | org81220 | 00:24 |
| cousteau | (obviously, your live OS can't translate a numeric user ID to the name of the installed OS or vice versa; I didn't think of it) | 00:24 |
| cousteau | so if you do ls -l /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/ you'll get something like | 00:26 |
| cousteau | drwxrwxrwx 1 1234 5678 0 jan 1 10:10 Some_file.txt | 00:27 |
| cousteau | where 1234 is the numeric ID of the owner, and 5678 is the numeric ID of the group | 00:27 |
| xubuntu89w | yes, a list of the directory | 00:28 |
| cousteau | with that you can figure out the numeric ID of user g81220 | 00:28 |
| cousteau | so you can use that number instead of "g81220" | 00:28 |
| cousteau | because your live OS doesn't know who's this "g81220"; it only sees files with numeric owner IDs | 00:29 |
| cousteau | (I bet it'll be 1000) | 00:29 |
| xubuntu89w | okay, looking at list I get this for each item in directory "drwxr-xr-x 2 1002 1002 4096 Dec 31 11:58 Desktop" | 00:30 |
| xubuntu89w | is the 1002 1002 4096 what you are saying? | 00:30 |
| cousteau | so the owner is 1002 | 00:30 |
| xubuntu89w | okay | 00:31 |
| cousteau | and the group is 1002 as well (makes sense) | 00:31 |
| cousteau | so instead of -user g81220 try with -user 1002 | 00:31 |
| cousteau | (4096 is the size, I think) | 00:32 |
| xubuntu89w | okay, got two .key files that came up | 00:32 |
| cousteau | I have no idea what those are | 00:32 |
| xubuntu89w | winehq.key, Release.key | 00:33 |
| cousteau | but you can see who they belong to if you do find /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/ \! -user 1002 -exec ls -l {} + | 00:33 |
| xubuntu89w | putting filename in {}? | 00:35 |
| cousteau | hm, .key files seem to be something related to installed packages https://askubuntu.com/questions/993599/is-it-safe-to-remove-release-key-file and thus not a problem | 00:35 |
| cousteau | xubuntu89w, no, just {} | 00:35 |
| cousteau | that command means "find all files in <directory> whose owner is not 1002 and then execute `ls -l {}` substituting {} with the list of files" | 00:36 |
| cousteau | (the + at the end is important) | 00:36 |
| xubuntu89w | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 3122 Mar 28 2017 /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/Release.key | 00:36 |
| xubuntu89w | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 3220 Dec 19 14:07 /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/winehq.key | 00:36 |
| xubuntu89w | this is the return | 00:37 |
| cousteau | well, if those are the only two files I don't think that should cause any trouble | 00:37 |
| cousteau | https://askubuntu.com/questions/993599/is-it-safe-to-remove-release-key-file suggests those files can be deleted, anyway | 00:38 |
| xubuntu89w | I recognized the winehq when it showed up installing winehq. The Release.key I really don't know when it came aboard | 00:38 |
| cousteau | but anyway, I don't know how else to fix the problem, sorry :( | 00:38 |
| cousteau | ...maybe try booting with an older kernel | 00:38 |
| xubuntu89w | The restarting X by reanming the two files is and old trick I read about last year. GridCube borught that one up. I reember it worked for some but not others. | 00:39 |
| xubuntu89w | I looked for the upgrade that started with TZ but didn't find. | 00:40 |
| cousteau | I've seen that happen a lot; it's what happens when you use `sudo` with something related with the graphic environment when you shouldn't | 00:40 |
| xubuntu89w | That was labeled a security update with ! added | 00:41 |
| cousteau | the .Xauthority thing I mean | 00:41 |
| xubuntu89w | right | 00:41 |
| cousteau | can you login on the tty on your computer, or have you not tried that? | 00:42 |
| xubuntu89w | I am still thinking it has somethign to do with the upgrade. | 00:42 |
| xubuntu89w | I can try again | 00:42 |
| xubuntu89w | stan by | 00:42 |
| cousteau | (just if you've tried; I know it'll make you reboot and that's annoying) | 00:42 |
| cousteau | you could use a phone or something for IRC while playing with the PC | 00:42 |
| xubuntu89w | nogo on login unless you know how to get the live cd login and pwd | 00:44 |
| xubuntu89w | don't have a phone to use | 00:45 |
| cousteau | ah no, I meant on the installed OS, not on the live CD | 00:45 |
| xubuntu89w | yes, can login when on system | 00:45 |
| xubuntu89w | just don't have internet capablility | 00:46 |
| xubuntu89w | stuck with getting commands , writing them down, logging off, testing command, and logging off then back on LIVE to find further solutions | 00:47 |
| xubuntu89w | PITA | 00:48 |
| cousteau | well, if you can log in on the tty, that means your user hasn't died. You could try running `startx` from there and see if that works (opens a session for your user) or if it throws an error (which you could write down) | 00:48 |
| cousteau | you can install irssi as a command-line IRC client, and links2 or elinks or w3m as command-line web browsers | 00:49 |
| xubuntu89w | I'll try anything, just recently completed a clean install and goteverything up and running. Another PITA, Had planned on creating IMAGE this weekend., Now this | 00:50 |
| cousteau | have tty1 for irssi, tty2 for the browser, and tty3 for commands | 00:50 |
| cousteau | anyway, gotta go; the command I'd suggest you to try from the tty is startx (without sudo) and write down any error message you may get | 00:51 |
| cousteau | alternatively, it's possible that dmesg gives you more info on what could go wrong | 00:52 |
| cousteau | also, if you don't find help here, consider trying ##linux | 00:52 |
| cousteau | (I don't think your problem is xubuntu-specific) | 00:52 |
| xubuntu89w | Thanks Much | 00:52 |
| cousteau | you're welcome! :) | 00:53 |
| xubuntu89w | Okay, I'll put it on aboard somewher when or if I find a solution | 00:53 |
| xubuntu89w | Have good night | 00:53 |
| cousteau | (and remember, you can use IRC and Internet from tty if you install irssi or one of the browsers I suggested) | 00:53 |
| cousteau | (also gdm for a mouse pointer on the tty, which works for some applications) | 00:54 |
| cousteau | sorry, gpm, not gdm | 00:55 |
| xubuntu89w | I'll lookup tty commands so I can have those up and running | 00:56 |
| xubuntu89w | not familiar with the process | 00:56 |
| cousteau | `sudo apt install irssi` for installing irssi | 00:59 |
| cousteau | TL;DR: (1) Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to tty1, (or F2-F6 for tty2 to tty6), (2) login, (3) sudo apt install irssi to install irssi (for example), (4) startx to start an X session with your user, (5) Ctrl-Alt-F7 (or F8 etc) to go to the first (or second etc) graphical session | 01:01 |
| cousteau | ok, time to sleep, bye! Good luck :) | 01:02 |
| terminalator | What could have caused for my machine to not shutdown completely? | 01:49 |
| terminalator | Fans keep spinning and power indicator led blinking | 01:50 |
| n-iCe | hi | 01:55 |
| === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash | ||
| visone | howdy | 13:07 |
| xhamster62 | hello | 16:43 |
| diogenes_ | hello | 16:44 |
| xhamster62 | installing xubuntu sd card :D (hdd is dead) | 16:44 |
| diogenes_ | nice :) | 16:44 |
| gnrp | xhamster62: Just be careful with logs | 16:45 |
| xhamster62 | Does my ip address appear | 16:47 |
| xhamster62 | good evening everyone | 16:48 |
| xhamster62 | good evening everyone | 16:48 |
| Kumool | Are SD cards tolerable? | 17:18 |
| Kumool | I'd imagine everything would be slower | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | they are, and as a data point, all the raspberry pis run their OS off of SD cards | 17:24 |
| pleia2 | biggest problem is that the read/writes life span is more limited than traditional harddrives, hence gnrp's warning about logs (and other things that do a lot of writes) | 17:25 |
| Kumool | isnt it like 10trillion writes or something now? | 17:28 |
| pleia2 | something like that :) just something to be aware of if you use rando SD card that came with your camera 8 years ago, or a cheap one | 17:31 |
| pleia2 | I use the SanDisk ones in my RP | 17:32 |
| Kumool | sandisk are supposedly the best but after writing just once, it went bust | 17:36 |
| Kumool | (mine did), it was ebay bought though, so could be that | 17:36 |
| Kumool | anyway, good day yall | 17:38 |
| Gen86 | Hey dunno if this really is a support type of question but you see I saved an old core2duo iMac from being recycled because hey free computer i could maybe try linux on. At the moment I'm trying xubuntu obviously because I saw it takes less system power since this is old. Anyway, I tried getting drivers for the old video card in this thing but the ones on the site say it isn't supported by whatever new thing this | 19:48 |
| Gen86 | version of xubuntu this has. Am I only going to be able to use the default graphics drivers | 19:48 |
| Gen86 | I mean it does work | 19:48 |
| Gen86 | but I'm seeing if I can get it any better | 19:49 |
| Gen86 | if it helps it's an old ati radeon 2400xt | 19:49 |
| Gen86 | Also just seeing what other kind of optimizations I can do | 19:51 |
| Gen86 | ? | 19:51 |
| brainwash | no other driver supports your gpu | 19:52 |
| genii | pre-AMD Radeons just use the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver | 19:52 |
| Gen86 | alright no biggie just was curious | 19:52 |
| Gen86 | There anything else I could do to get the most out of this | 19:53 |
| Gen86 | I mean I'm not that familiar with macs to be honest | 19:53 |
| Gen86 | i was just saving a perfectly good old system from destruction | 19:53 |
| Gen86 | Mac people can be so wasteful | 19:53 |
| brainwash | switching to a cheap SSD would give the most performance gain | 19:53 |
| Gen86 | Even if it's just small tweaking because I didn't know of a setting | 19:54 |
| Gen86 | I would have to look up how to even open this thing | 19:54 |
| Gen86 | it's one of those that has everything shoved into the monitor | 19:54 |
| brainwash | maybe turning off the builtin compositor will have a positive effect (xfce settings > window manager tweaks) | 19:55 |
| Gen86 | but SSD I was thinking of getting for my main compy that's still using windows 7, but stuff like this is helping me transition to possibly having to go to linux | 19:55 |
| Gen86 | but hmm let me look at that | 19:55 |
| brainwash | however, what is the use case? | 19:55 |
| Gen86 | you mean what am i going to use it for? honestly I have no idea right now it's messing with linux | 19:56 |
| Gen86 | lol | 19:56 |
| brainwash | web browsing is pretty heavy nowadays | 19:56 |
| Gen86 | but for a normal use? I may use it as maybe a server or something eventually | 19:57 |
| Gen86 | well one thing that's lessened my load on web browsing is just blocking the ads | 19:57 |
| Gen86 | that along gets rid of a signifigant portion of where the performance screws up | 19:57 |
| brainwash | firefox and chrome can be very demanding | 19:57 |
| genii | It's possible some of the earlier fglrx drivers might work, but it would be hit or miss | 19:58 |
| brainwash | and that's something you cannot fix with "tweaking" | 19:58 |
| Gen86 | I think this has like 4 gigs of ram which is alright | 19:58 |
| Gen86 | but yeah just exploring my options here seeing what can be done | 19:58 |
| Gen86 | im not trying to run crysis on it | 19:58 |
| Gen86 | (or whatever the joke is now) | 19:59 |
| brainwash | watching a stream on twitch.tv I guess :D | 19:59 |
| Gen86 | my old main machine is better though it's old too | 19:59 |
| Gen86 | 2500k, 8 gig (wanna possibly go to 16) and a 770 nvidia card | 19:59 |
| Gen86 | but i just use 7 | 19:59 |
| Gen86 | on that | 19:59 |
| brainwash | that's a beast compared to the apple device | 20:00 |
| Gen86 | it was free so im not complaining | 20:00 |
| Gen86 | help the world have less waste | 20:00 |
| Gen86 | :) | 20:00 |
| Gen86 | ive played with linux virtual machines on it and i think a livecd or 2 | 20:01 |
| Gen86 | but yeah here got xubuntu and el cap osx | 20:01 |
| Gen86 | Macs are weird | 20:01 |
| genii | heh, yes | 20:02 |
| Gen86 | but yeah it's for improving my linux experience, i mean i had some but not on a daily basis | 20:03 |
| Gen86 | eventually i have to move from win7 but 10 is so... so bad | 20:03 |
| Gen86 | my god how bad | 20:03 |
| Gen86 | so this is really the only option ive seen recently more improvements done on the games area | 20:04 |
| Gen86 | Valve Proton | 20:04 |
| ubone | would xubuntu 1804 fit in 6.5GB / | 22:01 |
| diogenes_ | nope | 22:02 |
| ubone | is it a swap file? | 22:03 |
| diogenes_ | ? | 22:03 |
| ubone | i wonder what's taking the space | 22:04 |
| visone | howdy | 23:21 |
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