[00:01] <cousteau> ah, you mean sudo apt clean... I think that's not bad; it just deletes the packages you downloaded, but does not uninstall them; just deletes the "installers"
[00:02] <xubuntu89w> Home User only returns bash: root
[00:03] <xubuntu89w> I am working off the installer system
[00:05] <xubuntu89w> Can't login, get black screen the fresh login, a loop
[00:05] <cousteau> can you login on the tty?
[00:06] <cousteau> Ctrl-Alt-F1
[00:06] <xubuntu89w> tried renaming ICEauthority and Xauthority but still get same result.
[00:06] <cousteau> I'll get that as a yes
[00:07] <cousteau> maybe this command will give you insight about possible sudo-related messes:
[00:07] <xubuntu89w> cannot login tty on installation system, tried and does not recognize username
[00:07] <cousteau> find "$HOME" \! -user "$USER"
[00:07] <cousteau> ah...
[00:07] <cousteau> oh so you're on a live CD or something?
[00:08] <xubuntu89w> i would have to reboot the pc to get back to using my user domain
[00:09] <xubuntu89w> yes
[00:09] <xubuntu89w> Found it is easier to move around the directory finding files
[00:14] <cousteau> ok so just replace "$HOME" and "$USER" with the appropriate values
[00:15] <xubuntu89w> I am on a live cd but I have xubuntu dual boot with win10 on HD. I am using CD to troubleshoot
[00:15] <cousteau> `ls -l` on a partition of an installed OS still shows the owner as specified in the installed OS, not a different one from the live CD, right?  (not sure about this)
[00:16] <cousteau> anyway.  If it does, I guess you can still use `find` to find which files in your home directory are not owned by yourself
[00:17] <xubuntu89w> correct ls -l came back with HD cirectory
[00:18] <cousteau> then I guess you can do something like   find /media/the_partition_where_linux_is_installed/home/subuntu89w \! -user xubuntu89w
[00:20] <cousteau> and that'll show you the files that a misuse of sudo might have disowned
[00:20] <cousteau> (typically .Xauthority and .ICEauthority, but I'm not sure if there are more)
[00:21] <xubuntu89w> find /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/ \! -user g81221 [returned] find: ‘g81221’ is not the name of a known user
[00:21] <cousteau> damn
[00:21] <xubuntu89w> I ahve bash history
[00:22] <cousteau> is [drive]/g81221 the right path?  doesn't it have /home in it?  (separate /home partition, I guess?)
[00:23] <cousteau> anyway, do   ls -l /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/   to figure out the user name
[00:23] <cousteau> or at least its numeric ID
[00:23] <cousteau> and use that numeric ID instead of the user name
[00:23] <xubuntu89w> on HD g81221 is the username
[00:24] <xubuntu89w> org81220
[00:24] <cousteau> (obviously, your live OS can't translate a numeric user ID to the name of the installed OS or vice versa; I didn't think of it)
[00:26] <cousteau> so if you do   ls -l /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/   you'll get something like
[00:27] <cousteau> drwxrwxrwx 1 1234 5678 0 jan 1 10:10 Some_file.txt
[00:27] <cousteau> where 1234 is the numeric ID of the owner, and 5678 is the numeric ID of the group
[00:28] <xubuntu89w> yes, a list of the directory
[00:28] <cousteau> with that you can figure out the numeric ID of user g81220
[00:28] <cousteau> so you can use that number instead of "g81220"
[00:29] <cousteau> because your live OS doesn't know who's this "g81220"; it only sees files with numeric owner IDs
[00:29] <cousteau> (I bet it'll be 1000)
[00:30] <xubuntu89w> okay, looking at list I get this for each item in directory "drwxr-xr-x 2 1002 1002 4096 Dec 31 11:58  Desktop"
[00:30] <xubuntu89w> is the 1002 1002 4096 what you are saying?
[00:30] <cousteau> so the owner is 1002
[00:31] <xubuntu89w> okay
[00:31] <cousteau> and the group is 1002 as well (makes sense)
[00:31] <cousteau> so instead of   -user g81220   try with   -user 1002
[00:32] <cousteau> (4096 is the size, I think)
[00:32] <xubuntu89w> okay, got two .key files that came up
[00:32] <cousteau> I have no idea what those are
[00:33] <xubuntu89w> winehq.key, Release.key
[00:33] <cousteau> but you can see who they belong to if you do    find /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/ \! -user 1002 -exec ls -l {} +
[00:35] <xubuntu89w> putting filename in {}?
[00:35] <cousteau> hm, .key files seem to be something related to installed packages https://askubuntu.com/questions/993599/is-it-safe-to-remove-release-key-file and thus not a problem
[00:35] <cousteau> xubuntu89w, no, just {}
[00:36] <cousteau> that command means "find all files in <directory> whose owner is not 1002 and then execute `ls -l {}` substituting {} with the list of files"
[00:36] <cousteau> (the + at the end is important)
[00:36] <xubuntu89w> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 3122 Mar 28  2017 /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/Release.key
[00:36] <xubuntu89w> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 3220 Dec 19 14:07 /media/xubuntu/0c84150b-710a-4867-a5c7-2065378a3ab8/g81220/winehq.key
[00:37] <xubuntu89w> this is the return
[00:37] <cousteau> well, if those are the only two files I don't think that should cause any trouble
[00:38] <cousteau> https://askubuntu.com/questions/993599/is-it-safe-to-remove-release-key-file suggests those files can be deleted, anyway
[00:38] <xubuntu89w> I recognized the winehq when it showed up installing winehq. The Release.key I really don't know when it came aboard
[00:38] <cousteau> but anyway, I don't know how else to fix the problem, sorry :(
[00:38] <cousteau> ...maybe try booting with an older kernel
[00:39] <xubuntu89w> The restarting X by reanming the two files is and old trick I read about last year. GridCube borught that one up. I reember it worked for some but not others.
[00:40] <xubuntu89w> I looked for the upgrade that started with TZ but didn't find.
[00:40] <cousteau> I've seen that happen a lot; it's what happens when you use `sudo` with something related with the graphic environment when you shouldn't
[00:41] <xubuntu89w>  That was labeled a security update with ! added
[00:41] <cousteau> the .Xauthority thing I mean
[00:41] <xubuntu89w> right
[00:42] <cousteau> can you login on the tty on your computer, or have you not tried that?
[00:42] <xubuntu89w> I am still thinking it has somethign to do with the upgrade.
[00:42] <xubuntu89w>  I can try again
[00:42] <xubuntu89w> stan by
[00:42] <cousteau> (just if you've tried; I know it'll make you reboot and that's annoying)
[00:42] <cousteau> you could use a phone or something for IRC while playing with the PC
[00:44] <xubuntu89w> nogo on login unless you know how to get the live cd login and pwd
[00:45] <xubuntu89w> don't have a phone to use
[00:45] <cousteau> ah no, I meant on the installed OS, not on the live CD
[00:45] <xubuntu89w> yes, can login when on system
[00:46] <xubuntu89w> just don't have internet capablility
[00:47] <xubuntu89w> stuck with getting commands , writing them down, logging off, testing command, and logging off then back on LIVE to find further solutions
[00:48] <xubuntu89w> PITA
[00:48] <cousteau> well, if you can log in on the tty, that means your user hasn't died.  You could try running `startx` from there and see if that works (opens a session for your user) or if it throws an error (which you could write down)
[00:49] <cousteau> you can install irssi as a command-line IRC client, and links2 or elinks or w3m as command-line web browsers
[00:50] <xubuntu89w> I'll try anything, just recently completed a clean install and goteverything up and running. Another PITA, Had planned on creating IMAGE this weekend., Now this
[00:50] <cousteau> have tty1 for irssi, tty2 for the browser, and tty3 for commands
[00:51] <cousteau> anyway, gotta go; the command I'd suggest you to try from the tty is   startx   (without sudo) and write down any error message you may get
[00:52] <cousteau> alternatively, it's possible that dmesg gives you more info on what could go wrong
[00:52] <cousteau> also, if you don't find help here, consider trying ##linux
[00:52] <cousteau> (I don't think your problem is xubuntu-specific)
[00:52] <xubuntu89w> Thanks Much
[00:53] <cousteau> you're welcome! :)
[00:53] <xubuntu89w> Okay, I'll put it on aboard somewher when or if I find a solution
[00:53] <xubuntu89w> Have good night
[00:53] <cousteau> (and remember, you can use IRC and Internet from tty if you install irssi or one of the browsers I suggested)
[00:54] <cousteau> (also gdm for a mouse pointer on the tty, which works for some applications)
[00:55] <cousteau> sorry, gpm, not gdm
[00:56] <xubuntu89w> I'll lookup tty commands so I can have those up and running
[00:56] <xubuntu89w> not familiar with the process
[00:59] <cousteau> `sudo apt install irssi` for installing irssi
[01:01] <cousteau> TL;DR: (1) Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to tty1, (or F2-F6 for tty2 to tty6), (2) login, (3) sudo apt install irssi   to install irssi (for example), (4) startx   to start an X session with your user, (5) Ctrl-Alt-F7 (or F8 etc) to go to the first (or second etc) graphical session
[01:02] <cousteau> ok, time to sleep, bye!  Good luck :)
[01:49] <terminalator> What could have caused for my machine to not shutdown completely?
[01:50] <terminalator> Fans keep spinning and power indicator led blinking
[01:55] <n-iCe> hi
[13:07] <visone> howdy
[16:43] <xhamster62> hello
[16:44] <diogenes_> hello
[16:44] <xhamster62> installing xubuntu sd card :D (hdd is dead)
[16:44] <diogenes_> nice :)
[16:45] <gnrp> xhamster62: Just be careful with logs
[16:47] <xhamster62> Does my ip address appear
[16:48] <xhamster62> good evening everyone
[16:48] <xhamster62> good evening everyone
[17:18] <Kumool> Are SD cards tolerable?
[17:19] <Kumool> I'd imagine everything would be slower
[17:24] <pleia2> they are, and as a data point, all the raspberry pis run their OS off of SD cards
[17:25] <pleia2> biggest problem is that the read/writes life span is more limited than traditional harddrives, hence gnrp's warning about logs (and other things that do a lot of writes)
[17:28] <Kumool> isnt it like 10trillion writes or something now?
[17:31] <pleia2> something like that :) just something to be aware of if you use rando SD card that came with your camera 8 years ago, or a cheap one
[17:32] <pleia2> I use the SanDisk ones in my RP
[17:36] <Kumool> sandisk are supposedly the best but after writing just once, it went bust
[17:36] <Kumool> (mine did), it was ebay bought though, so could be that
[17:38] <Kumool> anyway, good day yall
[19:48] <Gen86> Hey dunno if this really is a support type of question but you see I saved an old core2duo iMac from being recycled because hey free computer i could maybe try linux on. At the moment I'm trying xubuntu obviously because I saw it takes less system power since this is old. Anyway, I tried getting drivers for the old video card in this thing but the ones on the site say it isn't supported by whatever new thing this
[19:48] <Gen86> version of xubuntu this has. Am I only going to be able to use the default graphics drivers
[19:48] <Gen86> I mean it does work
[19:49] <Gen86> but I'm seeing if I can get it any better
[19:49] <Gen86> if it helps it's an old ati radeon 2400xt
[19:51] <Gen86> Also just seeing what other kind of optimizations I can do
[19:51] <Gen86> ?
[19:52] <brainwash> no other driver supports your gpu
[19:52] <genii> pre-AMD Radeons just use the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver
[19:52] <Gen86> alright no biggie just was curious
[19:53] <Gen86> There anything else I could do to get the most out of this
[19:53] <Gen86> I mean I'm not that familiar with macs to be honest
[19:53] <Gen86> i was just saving a perfectly good old system from destruction
[19:53] <Gen86> Mac people can be so wasteful
[19:53] <brainwash> switching to a cheap SSD would give the most performance gain
[19:54] <Gen86> Even if it's just small tweaking because I didn't know of a setting
[19:54] <Gen86> I would have to look up how to even open this thing
[19:54] <Gen86> it's one of those that has everything shoved into the monitor
[19:55] <brainwash> maybe turning off the builtin compositor will have a positive effect (xfce settings > window manager tweaks)
[19:55] <Gen86> but SSD I was thinking of getting for my main compy that's still using windows 7, but stuff like this is helping me transition to possibly having to go to linux
[19:55] <Gen86> but hmm let me look at that
[19:55] <brainwash> however, what is the use case?
[19:56] <Gen86> you mean what am i going to use it for? honestly I have no idea right now it's messing with linux
[19:56] <Gen86> lol
[19:56] <brainwash> web browsing is pretty heavy nowadays
[19:57] <Gen86> but for a normal use? I may use it as maybe a server or something eventually
[19:57] <Gen86> well one thing that's lessened my load on web browsing is just blocking the ads
[19:57] <Gen86> that along gets rid of a signifigant portion of where the performance screws up
[19:57] <brainwash> firefox and chrome can be very demanding
[19:58] <genii> It's possible some of the earlier fglrx drivers might work, but it would be hit or miss
[19:58] <brainwash> and that's something you cannot fix with "tweaking"
[19:58] <Gen86> I think this has like 4 gigs of ram which is alright
[19:58] <Gen86> but yeah just exploring my options here seeing what can be done
[19:58] <Gen86> im not trying to run crysis on it
[19:59] <Gen86> (or whatever the joke is now)
[19:59] <brainwash> watching a stream on twitch.tv I guess :D
[19:59] <Gen86> my old main machine is better though it's old too
[19:59] <Gen86> 2500k, 8 gig (wanna possibly go to 16) and a 770 nvidia card
[19:59] <Gen86> but i just use 7
[19:59] <Gen86> on that
[20:00] <brainwash> that's a beast compared to the apple device
[20:00] <Gen86> it was free so im not complaining
[20:00] <Gen86> help the world have less waste
[20:00] <Gen86> :)
[20:01] <Gen86> ive played with linux virtual machines on it and i think a livecd or 2
[20:01] <Gen86> but yeah here got xubuntu and el cap osx
[20:01] <Gen86> Macs are weird
[20:02] <genii> heh, yes
[20:03] <Gen86> but yeah it's for improving my linux experience, i mean i had some but not on a daily basis
[20:03] <Gen86> eventually i have to move from win7 but 10 is so... so bad
[20:03] <Gen86> my god how bad
[20:04] <Gen86> so this is really the only option ive seen recently more improvements done on the games area
[20:04] <Gen86> Valve Proton
[22:01] <ubone> would xubuntu 1804 fit in 6.5GB /
[22:02] <diogenes_> nope
[22:03] <ubone> is it a swap file?
[22:03] <diogenes_> ?
[22:04] <ubone> i wonder what's taking the space
[23:21] <visone> howdy