[06:41] <cpaelzer> good morning
[08:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> place your details here, volunteers might have a look for you siwica
[08:45] <siwica> It seems that the installer for Ubuntu Server 18.04 is buggy. I am always getting an error when creating an lvm volume which seems to be caused by the Python installer script making the size of a volume not a multiple of 512 bytes when specifying a size of 8.6T in my case.
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> also be patient, this time of day might be silent :p
[08:45] <siwica> Also there seem to be Python 2/Python 3 issues when browsing through the installer output: e.g. '9455779998873b' is passed as an argument to lvcreate, which indicates wrong handling of Python byte strings.
[08:46] <siwica> lotuspsychje: Alright, thanks! I think I can probably resolve this by entering the exact number of bytes manually, but this is annoying.
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> siwica: if you think you found a bug in the installer, and idea might be using ubuntu-bug yourpackage and see if there exist dupes already for it
[08:51] <siwica> Not knowing any source code I suspect these issues were probably created by a Python2 -> Python3 switch. The incorrect calculation of the number of bytes might be caused by the  different bahavior of the / operator on ints.
[08:52] <siwica> lotuspsychje: Ok, will have a look. Although I never used ubuntu-bug.
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> see also !partitioning and !lvm siwica
[09:36] <lordievader> I think, my memory is a bit foggy, that I used the alternative server install for 18.04 which did not give any troubles making logical volumes.
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> siwica: ^
[10:54] <ahasenack> good morning
[11:06] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: rbasak: could one of you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba/+merge/361241 please? That untangles samba and ldb in disco and is quicker than me preparing a new merge from debian
[11:07] <ahasenack> unless you think that's what I should do (the debian package now contains the fix as well)
[11:07] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I can take a look once I'm done with my first pass on mails
[11:07] <ahasenack> thx
[11:08] <cpaelzer> rbasak: if you beat me to take a look at it let me know
[16:44] <sarnold> trippeh: that's incredible :D nice!
[16:49] <rbasak> ahasenack, cpaelzer, kstenerud: taking th logwatch merge review.
[16:49] <rbasak> jdstrand: o/
[16:50] <rbasak> jdstrand: can you tell me who will be doing the MIR review for pcre2 please?
[16:50] <rbasak> I'm wondering whether to start the PHP transition on the assumption that it will be done this cycle, or if we should defer the PHP transition to next cycle.
[16:50] <rbasak> (deferring is OK I think)
[16:51] <rbasak> I'm reluctant to start it any later than pretty much now for this cycle as it's expected to be pretty extensive.
[16:52] <rbasak> And come to think of it, if we decide to defer we should probably remove php7.3 from the archive this cycle.
[16:57] <jdstrand> rbasak: I don't know. it isn't assigned yet. you might ask joe or (ask via the trello card)
[16:57] <jdstrand> rbasak: I just added you as a member of the card
[16:59] <rbasak> OK. Thanks!
[17:21] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: hi, fyi i've switched the sqlalchemy package back to using mysqldb as the default dialect. it has been patched for several releases in ubuntu to use pymysql by default.
[17:22] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: this may affect deployments that don't explicitly use connection string config of "mysql+pymysql"
[17:24] <rbasak> kstenerud: in https://code.launchpad.net/~kstenerud/ubuntu/+source/logwatch/+git/logwatch/+merge/361073, did you forget to push the tag kstenerud/lp1808319/logical/7.4.3+git20161207-2ubuntu2 ?
[17:53] <ahasenack> rbasak: could you please import cabextract? I'm fixing an ftbfs in libmspack, and both libmspack and cabextract are affected and come from the same git repo, as does the fix (https://github.com/kyz/libmspack/commit/c19e707936947b45cf05bc9aaee68517c6c2aca6)
[17:53] <ahasenack> cabextract is in universe, but libmspack is in main
[17:59] <rbasak> ahasenack: time to take you through how to do it?
[17:59] <rbasak> ahasenack: HO?
[18:03] <ahasenack> rbasak: sure
[18:41] <Intelo> Hi
[18:45] <Intelo> What is the likelyhood of recipient marking the email as spam if it says "Hi, Is this Peter Jason?" And the recipient is obviously not Peter..
[18:45] <teward> Intelo: not an Ubuntu Server question
[18:45] <teward> by default there's no 'spam' restricting items in play
[18:45] <teward> and unless you tune SpamAssassin right it won't care.
[18:46] <Intelo> ya
[18:46] <Intelo> but talking about 'manual
[18:46] <teward> and TYPICALLY there's no checking of intended recipient vs. content
[18:46] <teward> Intelo: that's still not an Ubuntu Server question :P
[18:46] <Intelo> 'manual marking as spam by user'
[18:46] <teward> that's up to the endpoint clients and users.
[18:46] <teward> there's no way to state how likely something is for {INSERT_USER_HERE} to do
[18:46] <Intelo> ya; discussing user behaviour on this concrete example
[18:47] <teward> Intelo: probably belongs in another area, and it's impossible to gauge a quantifiable likelihood
[18:47] <Intelo> teward, ok, what about you? would mark it if you get one?
[18:47] <teward> Intelo: i'm an IT Security professional, not an average end user.  My actions do NOT quantify the average person
[18:48] <teward> the fact i'm an IT Security professional probably already answers your question without me giving a direct answer ;P
[18:48] <Intelo> so you will mark it :)
[18:48] <teward> but again I don't quantify the 'norm'
[18:49] <teward> and 90% of mail that isn't intended for me isn't sent to me so :P
[18:49] <Intelo> teward,  I worked to get some emails and now I am blacklisted while sending mails.
[18:49] <teward> can't help you with that probably heh.
[18:50] <sarnold> it's pretty common to get mails to mail lists or exploders or something similar
[18:50] <Intelo> sarnold,  meaning?
[18:51] <sarnold> I think it'd be insane to use a greeting as a spam scoring
[18:51] <Intelo> sarnold, greeting?
[18:52] <teward> Intelo: i think there's a language barrier at play here
[18:52] <Intelo> sarnold,  are you labeling "HI, Is this peter" a greeting?
[18:52] <sarnold> yes
[18:52] <Intelo> hm
[18:52] <teward> Intelo: "Hi is this ABC" when you are "XYZ" counts technically as a 'greeting' in this play and shouldn't be a spam filter on its own
[18:52] <teward> because we get mailing lists, etc. which don't refer to you yourself but you'll receive them
[18:52] <Intelo> ok
[18:52] <teward> read ANY of the Ubuntu lists and you'll see that :P
[18:54] <Intelo> How about 'Hi <correct first name>, I saw your profile on xyz media. I see you have experience in 'exact correct list of his experience' and thought you might be interested in what I do >>> service details or link'
[18:54] <teward> that I'd detect with other mechanisms
[18:55] <teward> but again, that's more a matter of how you configure your detections
[18:55] <teward> and *not* an Ubuntu Server question
[18:55] <teward> it's also a question as to how the end users will handle spam marking, which again is not able to be quantified here
[18:56] <Intelo> ya. just checking views as a human. Not filters/mechanism
[18:56] <Intelo> teward, sarnold  how about and how about 'Hi <correct first name>, I saw your profile on xyz media. I see you have experience in 'exact correct list of his experience'.     Would you be interested in being our brand embassidor"?
[18:56] <teward> *yawns*
[18:57] <teward> i'm going to go do something productive now,
[18:57] <teward> *returns to what he was doing before*
[18:57] <Intelo> teward,  Thumbs up
[18:58] <sarnold> Intelo: "saw your profile", "you have experience" and "brand ambassador" are all highly suspect phrases. I'd add alerts on those :)
[18:58] <Intelo> hm
[18:58] <Intelo> sarnold,  and if that passed the alerts/filters. Will the human mark it spam?
[19:00] <sarnold> most people probably would, yes
[19:00] <Intelo> right :(
[19:00] <Intelo> Is there a way to deliver a message and still not get marked as spam/blacklisted
[19:01] <benharri> don't send spam
[19:01] <Intelo> benharri,  how about I buy ads on youtube and show that to users? I would pay for it. Will you call that spam?
[19:01] <sarnold> that's just advertising. knock yourself out. :)
[19:01] <benharri> no because that's advertising
[19:02] <Intelo> sarnold,  how about "Hi, Is this peter Jason?  <p> Regards </p> Tony http://site.com <br /> Youtube video thumbnail
[19:03] <Intelo> benharri, I want to send emails to advertise too
[19:03] <benharri> just don't
[19:03] <Intelo> but nevermind. I get the ideas of community in 2019
[19:03] <benharri> only send mails to people who have requested it
[19:04] <Intelo> benharri,  any other cost effective ways?
[19:04] <benharri> this is off topic for this channel
[19:04] <Intelo> benharri,  people push flyers in snailmail boxes and newspapers. Snailmail or email ads. its same. Its just that snailmail ads cannot be caught or marked as spam.
[19:05] <Intelo> right sarnold ?
[19:13] <Intelo> anyone private chat or in #ubuntu-server-offtopic ?
[19:16] <tomreyn> Intelo: there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:17] <tomreyn> oh, looks like you found it
[19:17] <teward> Intelo: FYI: if ou intend on using our information to *send* spam, that's against the rules of Freenode and the general Code of Conduct, so you should probably NOT be asking that stuff here or in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:18] <Intelo> ya thanks
[19:18] <Intelo> ok
[19:47] <Sina> Hi there. Not sure if I'm in the correct channel. I'm trying to install puppet-agent from repo in preseed using following commands on Ubuntu Bionic and get `E: gnupg, gnupg2 and gnupg1 do not seem to bee installed, but one of them is required for this operation`. Seems like to be a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-setup/+bug/1754075 Does anyone here has an appropriate workaround/fix for that?
[19:47] <Sina> https://pastebin.com/z7amgs08
[19:58] <sarnold> Sina: if you can't get any solutions or workarounds there, you may also consider using cloud images and cloud-init to configure the repos and install packages
[20:00] <Sina> sarnold: Thanks for the reply. I can eventually use the `puppet` package from official ubuntu repository and then use puppet itself to uninstall `puppet` and install `puppet-agent`, too. However, I was just being curious I guess. :)
[20:01] <sarnold> Sina: ha. I love it. it's horrible but I love it. :)
[20:44] <tobias-urdin> coreycb: ack, thanks for the heads up!