| lubot | <SamuelBanya> What's weird is that every other f key works | 01:36 |
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| lynorian | @SamuelBanya does it work in other applications | 07:50 |
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| lubot | <SamuelBanya> @Lynorian I'll check tonight. | 12:43 |
| lubot | <UnsonWong> right | 13:04 |
| lubot | <UnsonWong> github.com/rekols | 13:04 |
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| lubot | <HMollerCl> Hi! I have some questions regarding "apt update" all the update notifiers I've seen doesn't use it, they directly go to "upgrade". Son I'm a little confused on what does apt update (upate cache? source list?, what is in the cache??) does. And how if we don't do apt update could we get new updates. | 16:11 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> for update cache there sudo privileges needed. | 16:27 |
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| lubot | <HMollerCl> is @wxl here? | 18:49 |
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| teward | HMollerCl: same question that you posed a few hours earlier? | 19:12 |
| teward | or a different one and that's why you're pinging wxl? | 19:12 |
| wxl | here | 19:17 |
| teward | wxl: lies, these are lies. | 19:18 |
| teward | @HMollerCl wxl is sorta here :P | 19:19 |
| wxl | pffht | 19:19 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Jajaj | 19:19 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @wxl so, update-notifiers usually only do apt upgrade but no apt update (cache update) | 19:20 |
| wxl | hm | 19:20 |
| wxl | that seems weird | 19:20 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> My question is, if they don't do update cache, how they know that there are new packages? | 19:21 |
| wxl | that's a good question | 19:21 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> Ubuntu has update-notifier and upgrade-manager | 19:23 |
| wxl | have you tried contacting the maintainers/drivers of them? | 19:25 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> nope | 19:28 |
| wxl | that might be a good start | 19:28 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> yes, I just wanted to know if there was som misunderstanding on my side first | 19:30 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> unnattended upgrades does daily check to see if an apt-get update should be run, and runs it if it should | 19:30 |
| wxl | to be fair, i don't know the intricate details. i'd have to dig through it and given how much you've dug through it i trust you a lot more than me at this point XD | 19:30 |
| wxl | yes but unattended upgrades is not there by default | 19:30 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @wxl [<wxl> yes but unattended upgrades is not there by default], it is installed by default, and does the apt update by default. the 'upgrade' part is not on by default | 19:35 |
| wxl | was that always the case? i swear it's not in trusty at least | 19:40 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> I vaguely recall it was turned on in in bionic or a release a few before that | 19:41 |
| wxl | ok there you go | 19:41 |
| wxl | and unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt so i'm sure we could tweak it to always cache update if need be | 19:41 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ua was doing an update in the background, and discover was triggering its own as well via packagekit | 19:43 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> doublling up at the very least | 19:43 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> and unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt …], we could also update the cache during the notifier check, is just that I think is better to be consistent in the way that lubuntu does | 19:44 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> *ubuntu | 19:44 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @acheronuk [it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ …], discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do refreshes so much if that is set to | 19:45 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> @acheronuk [discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do ref …], In Kubuntu that is. lubuntu can't load the discover notifier as you know | 19:49 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> let me see if I understand. 1) unattended-upgrades should check on a daily basis if cache should be updated or not? 2) If there is and updated cache needed, where is triggered? | 19:49 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> or the notifier should trigger it? | 19:49 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> apt has a daily systemd timer to check if a refresh should be done, and do it if it should. the policy it checks to see if a refresh is done is in the unattended-upgrades apt config file | 19:52 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> which software properties changes if you change the update frequency in that | 19:54 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> perfect!, thanks | 19:54 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> I'm assuming all that is still active in lubuntu, and @tsimonq2 hasn't done some hacking to diable it at some point ;) | 19:55 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> jejeje | 19:56 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> in kubutnu you are using software-properties-qt or software-properties-kde? | 19:57 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> -kde in releases it still exists. -qt where it doesn't | 19:57 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> ok, I think you don't need it but I ported the "additional-driver" tab to software-properties-qt is waiting for review https://code.launchpad.net/~hmollercl/software-properties/software-properties/+merge/361331 | 19:59 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> or maybe breaks some things on your side. | 20:00 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> doubt it breaks anything, as that tab must still depend on some basic ubuntu stuff like ubuntu-drivers | 20:01 |
| lubot | <acheronuk> Kubuntu's KCM is not much maintained now, so another way might actually be good | 20:02 |
| lubot | <HMollerCl> yup, it uses ubuntu-drivers | 20:03 |
| lubot | <SamuelBanya> Btw just checked | 23:53 |
| lubot | <SamuelBanya> Ctrl and F11 work | 23:54 |
| lubot | <SamuelBanya> Why doesn't Fn aka function key plus F11 work in Qterminal? | 23:54 |
| lubot | <SamuelBanya> Should I put in a Github issue upstream with qterminal? | 23:54 |
| wxl | if you boot the iso on there, same problem? | 23:57 |
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