lubot<SamuelBanya> What's weird is that every other f key works01:36
lynorian@SamuelBanya does it work in other applications07:50
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lubot<SamuelBanya> @Lynorian I'll check tonight.12:43
lubot<UnsonWong> right13:04
lubot<UnsonWong> github.com/rekols13:04
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lubot<HMollerCl> Hi! I have some questions regarding "apt update" all the update notifiers I've seen doesn't use it, they directly go to "upgrade". Son I'm a little confused on what does apt update (upate cache? source list?, what is in the cache??) does. And how if we don't do apt update could we get new updates.16:11
lubot<HMollerCl> for update cache there sudo privileges needed.16:27
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lubot<HMollerCl> is @wxl here?18:49
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tewardHMollerCl: same question that you posed a few hours earlier?19:12
tewardor a different one and that's why you're pinging wxl?19:12
tewardwxl: lies, these are lies.19:18
teward@HMollerCl wxl is sorta here :P19:19
lubot<HMollerCl> Jajaj19:19
lubot<HMollerCl> @wxl so, update-notifiers usually only do apt upgrade but no apt update (cache update)19:20
wxlthat seems weird19:20
lubot<HMollerCl> My question is, if they don't do update cache, how they know that there are new packages?19:21
wxlthat's a good question19:21
lubot<HMollerCl> Ubuntu has update-notifier and upgrade-manager19:23
wxlhave you tried contacting the maintainers/drivers of them?19:25
lubot<HMollerCl> nope19:28
wxlthat might be a good start19:28
lubot<HMollerCl> yes, I just wanted to know if there was som misunderstanding on my side first19:30
lubot<acheronuk> unnattended upgrades does daily check to see if an apt-get update should be run, and runs it if it should19:30
wxlto be fair, i don't know the intricate details. i'd have to dig through it and given how much you've dug through it i trust you a lot more than me at this point XD19:30
wxlyes but unattended upgrades is not there by default19:30
lubot<acheronuk> @wxl [<wxl> yes but unattended upgrades is not there by default], it is installed by default, and does the apt update by default. the 'upgrade' part is not on by default19:35
wxlwas that always the case? i swear it's not in trusty at least19:40
lubot<acheronuk> I vaguely recall it was turned on in in bionic or a release a few before that19:41
wxlok there you go19:41
wxland unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt so i'm sure we could tweak it to always cache update if need be19:41
lubot<acheronuk> it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ua was doing an update in the background, and discover was triggering its own as well via packagekit19:43
lubot<acheronuk> doublling up at the very least19:43
lubot<HMollerCl> @wxl [<wxl> and unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt …], we could also update the cache during the notifier check, is just that I think is better to be consistent in the way that lubuntu does19:44
lubot<HMollerCl> *ubuntu19:44
lubot<acheronuk> @acheronuk [it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ …], discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do refreshes so much if that is set to19:45
lubot<acheronuk> @acheronuk [discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do ref …], In Kubuntu that is. lubuntu can't load the discover notifier as you know19:49
lubot<HMollerCl> let me see if I understand. 1) unattended-upgrades should check on a daily basis if cache should be updated or not? 2) If there is and updated cache needed, where is triggered?19:49
lubot<HMollerCl> or the notifier should trigger it?19:49
lubot<acheronuk> apt has a daily systemd timer to check if a refresh should be done, and do it if it should. the policy it checks to see if a refresh is done is in the unattended-upgrades apt config file19:52
lubot<acheronuk> which software properties changes if you change the update frequency in that19:54
lubot<HMollerCl> perfect!, thanks19:54
lubot<acheronuk> I'm assuming all that is still active in lubuntu, and @tsimonq2 hasn't done some hacking to diable it at some point ;)19:55
lubot<HMollerCl> jejeje19:56
lubot<HMollerCl> in kubutnu you are using software-properties-qt or software-properties-kde?19:57
lubot<acheronuk> -kde in releases it still exists. -qt where it doesn't19:57
lubot<HMollerCl> ok, I think you don't need it but I  ported the "additional-driver" tab to software-properties-qt is waiting for review https://code.launchpad.net/~hmollercl/software-properties/software-properties/+merge/36133119:59
lubot<HMollerCl> or maybe breaks some things on your side.20:00
lubot<acheronuk> doubt it breaks anything, as that tab must still depend on some basic ubuntu stuff like ubuntu-drivers20:01
lubot<acheronuk> Kubuntu's KCM is not much maintained now, so another way might actually be good20:02
lubot<HMollerCl> yup, it uses ubuntu-drivers20:03
lubot<SamuelBanya> Btw just checked23:53
lubot<SamuelBanya> Ctrl and F11 work23:54
lubot<SamuelBanya> Why doesn't Fn aka function key plus F11 work in Qterminal?23:54
lubot<SamuelBanya> Should I put in a Github issue upstream with qterminal?23:54
wxlif you boot the iso on there, same problem?23:57

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