[01:36] What's weird is that every other f key works [07:50] @SamuelBanya does it work in other applications [08:22] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4e452bba79c9: Add Qlipper prefrences screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4e452bba79c9 [08:34] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfae2931e553a: Add Prefrences home screenshot to firefox] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfae2931e553a [09:04] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd7abbde388d9: Add chart screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd7abbde388d9 [09:36] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe87b18404bf6: Add more quassel screenshots] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe87b18404bf6 [12:43] @Lynorian I'll check tonight. [13:04] right [13:04] github.com/rekols [15:26] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL490e49fedf18: Add screenshot for qpdfview prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL490e49fedf18 [15:41] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALeb75c6997895: Add screenshot of featherpad prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALeb75c6997895 [15:44] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9d147514526b: Inline screenshot for featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9d147514526b [15:59] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2e4c122fa157: Add vlc playtest screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2e4c122fa157 [16:10] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc0a0c8924220: Add screenshot for skanlite] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc0a0c8924220 [16:11] Hi! I have some questions regarding "apt update" all the update notifiers I've seen doesn't use it, they directly go to "upgrade". Son I'm a little confused on what does apt update (upate cache? source list?, what is in the cache??) does. And how if we don't do apt update could we get new updates. [16:27] for update cache there sudo privileges needed. [18:36] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0005c3294c30: Add screenshot for qterminal prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0005c3294c30 [18:49] is @wxl here? [18:53] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL834a2085f11a: Inline main qterminal screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL834a2085f11a [19:01] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4f399794260e: Add screenshot for lxqt-sudo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4f399794260e [19:12] HMollerCl: same question that you posed a few hours earlier? [19:12] or a different one and that's why you're pinging wxl? [19:17] here [19:18] wxl: lies, these are lies. [19:19] @HMollerCl wxl is sorta here :P [19:19] pffht [19:19] Jajaj [19:20] @wxl so, update-notifiers usually only do apt upgrade but no apt update (cache update) [19:20] hm [19:20] that seems weird [19:21] My question is, if they don't do update cache, how they know that there are new packages? [19:21] that's a good question [19:23] Ubuntu has update-notifier and upgrade-manager [19:25] have you tried contacting the maintainers/drivers of them? [19:28] nope [19:28] that might be a good start [19:30] yes, I just wanted to know if there was som misunderstanding on my side first [19:30] unnattended upgrades does daily check to see if an apt-get update should be run, and runs it if it should [19:30] to be fair, i don't know the intricate details. i'd have to dig through it and given how much you've dug through it i trust you a lot more than me at this point XD [19:30] yes but unattended upgrades is not there by default [19:35] @wxl [ yes but unattended upgrades is not there by default], it is installed by default, and does the apt update by default. the 'upgrade' part is not on by default [19:40] was that always the case? i swear it's not in trusty at least [19:41] I vaguely recall it was turned on in in bionic or a release a few before that [19:41] ok there you go [19:41] and unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt so i'm sure we could tweak it to always cache update if need be [19:43] it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ua was doing an update in the background, and discover was triggering its own as well via packagekit [19:43] doublling up at the very least [19:44] @wxl [ and unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt …], we could also update the cache during the notifier check, is just that I think is better to be consistent in the way that lubuntu does [19:44] *ubuntu [19:45] @acheronuk [it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ …], discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do refreshes so much if that is set to [19:49] @acheronuk [discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do ref …], In Kubuntu that is. lubuntu can't load the discover notifier as you know [19:49] let me see if I understand. 1) unattended-upgrades should check on a daily basis if cache should be updated or not? 2) If there is and updated cache needed, where is triggered? [19:49] or the notifier should trigger it? [19:52] apt has a daily systemd timer to check if a refresh should be done, and do it if it should. the policy it checks to see if a refresh is done is in the unattended-upgrades apt config file [19:54] which software properties changes if you change the update frequency in that [19:54] perfect!, thanks [19:55] I'm assuming all that is still active in lubuntu, and @tsimonq2 hasn't done some hacking to diable it at some point ;) [19:56] jejeje [19:57] in kubutnu you are using software-properties-qt or software-properties-kde? [19:57] -kde in releases it still exists. -qt where it doesn't [19:59] ok, I think you don't need it but I ported the "additional-driver" tab to software-properties-qt is waiting for review https://code.launchpad.net/~hmollercl/software-properties/software-properties/+merge/361331 [20:00] or maybe breaks some things on your side. [20:01] doubt it breaks anything, as that tab must still depend on some basic ubuntu stuff like ubuntu-drivers [20:02] Kubuntu's KCM is not much maintained now, so another way might actually be good [20:03] yup, it uses ubuntu-drivers [23:53] Btw just checked [23:54] Ctrl and F11 work [23:54] Why doesn't Fn aka function key plus F11 work in Qterminal? [23:54] Should I put in a Github issue upstream with qterminal? [23:57] if you boot the iso on there, same problem?