 What's weird is that every other f key works
[07:50] <lynorian> @SamuelBanya does it work in other applications
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 @Lynorian I'll check tonight.
 right
 github.com/rekols
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 Hi! I have some questions regarding "apt update" all the update notifiers I've seen doesn't use it, they directly go to "upgrade". Son I'm a little confused on what does apt update (upate cache? source list?, what is in the cache??) does. And how if we don't do apt update could we get new updates.
 for update cache there sudo privileges needed.
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 is @wxl here?
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[19:12] <teward> HMollerCl: same question that you posed a few hours earlier?
[19:12] <teward> or a different one and that's why you're pinging wxl?
[19:17] <wxl> here
[19:18] <teward> wxl: lies, these are lies.
[19:19] <teward> @HMollerCl wxl is sorta here :P
[19:19] <wxl> pffht
 Jajaj
 @wxl so, update-notifiers usually only do apt upgrade but no apt update (cache update)
[19:20] <wxl> hm
[19:20] <wxl> that seems weird
 My question is, if they don't do update cache, how they know that there are new packages?
[19:21] <wxl> that's a good question
 Ubuntu has update-notifier and upgrade-manager
[19:25] <wxl> have you tried contacting the maintainers/drivers of them?
 nope
[19:28] <wxl> that might be a good start
 yes, I just wanted to know if there was som misunderstanding on my side first
 unnattended upgrades does daily check to see if an apt-get update should be run, and runs it if it should
[19:30] <wxl> to be fair, i don't know the intricate details. i'd have to dig through it and given how much you've dug through it i trust you a lot more than me at this point XD
[19:30] <wxl> yes but unattended upgrades is not there by default
 @wxl [<wxl> yes but unattended upgrades is not there by default], it is installed by default, and does the apt update by default. the 'upgrade' part is not on by default
[19:40] <wxl> was that always the case? i swear it's not in trusty at least
 I vaguely recall it was turned on in in bionic or a release a few before that
[19:41] <wxl> ok there you go
[19:41] <wxl> and unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt so i'm sure we could tweak it to always cache update if need be
 it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ua was doing an update in the background, and discover was triggering its own as well via packagekit
 doublling up at the very least
 @wxl [<wxl> and unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt …], we could also update the cache during the notifier check, is just that I think is better to be consistent in the way that lubuntu does
 *ubuntu
 @acheronuk [it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ …], discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do refreshes so much if that is set to
 @acheronuk [discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do ref …], In Kubuntu that is. lubuntu can't load the discover notifier as you know
 let me see if I understand. 1) unattended-upgrades should check on a daily basis if cache should be updated or not? 2) If there is and updated cache needed, where is triggered?
 or the notifier should trigger it?
 apt has a daily systemd timer to check if a refresh should be done, and do it if it should. the policy it checks to see if a refresh is done is in the unattended-upgrades apt config file
 which software properties changes if you change the update frequency in that
 perfect!, thanks
 I'm assuming all that is still active in lubuntu, and @tsimonq2 hasn't done some hacking to diable it at some point ;)
 jejeje
 in kubutnu you are using software-properties-qt or software-properties-kde?
 -kde in releases it still exists. -qt where it doesn't
 ok, I think you don't need it but I  ported the "additional-driver" tab to software-properties-qt is waiting for review https://code.launchpad.net/~hmollercl/software-properties/software-properties/+merge/361331
 or maybe breaks some things on your side.
 doubt it breaks anything, as that tab must still depend on some basic ubuntu stuff like ubuntu-drivers
 Kubuntu's KCM is not much maintained now, so another way might actually be good
 yup, it uses ubuntu-drivers
 Btw just checked
 Ctrl and F11 work
 Why doesn't Fn aka function key plus F11 work in Qterminal?
 Should I put in a Github issue upstream with qterminal?
[23:57] <wxl> if you boot the iso on there, same problem?