[00:55] <bleb> does 18.04 ship with lxqt, or lxde?
[00:55] <wxl> lxde
[00:57] <bleb> k thanks
[07:27] <Mead> can anyone help me diagnose a lubuntu install that stopped booting?  I've been running it off an SD card it quit booting yesterday.  The system seems fine, I can access the bios, and the thumb drive with the bootloader seems to work fine.  But it freezes up when lubuntu starts booting.
[10:46] <Mead> did lubuntu change gui that is used in the lts and the current 18.10?
[10:49] <kc2bez> Lubuntu 18.04 is the LTS and it uses lxde. The current 18.10 uses LXQt.
[10:58] <Mead> so that is why it look pretty different
[11:04] <Mead> Somehow allowing an update messed up my 18.04 install, and I'm trying to fix it.  Downloaded a fresh copy of 18.10 to boot live from a USB stick and the difference in the GUI is bugging me.
[11:05] <kc2bez> 18.04 is still available for download as well.
[11:07] <kc2bez> That being said LXQt will be the desktop environment for Lubuntu going forward. There is much more upstream development being done on it.
[11:08] <Mead> why the change?
[11:12] <kc2bez> This blog post explains why Lubuntu made a change https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[11:14] <kc2bez> The TL;DR is most of the lxde developers have moved to LXQt. They feel it will be a better performing base.
[11:18] <Mead> that post only mentions lxqt at the end
[11:21] <Mead> well either way, I barely got use the look and feel of LXDE over the last few months. Changing to something else creates a learning curve I'm not looking for.
[11:24] <kc2bez> 18.04 is a LTS release so we are supporting both environments, it isn't necessary to change if you don't want to.
[11:25] <Mead> is the 18.04 image linked on the website updated with all the patches and fixes?
[11:26] <Mead> hum... there appears to be lubuntu.me and lubuntu.net  are both legit?
[11:26] <kc2bez> Lubuntu.me is the official site.
[11:27] <kc2bez> The 18.04 image is the latest point release.
[11:29] <Mead> so what is the lubuntu.net site?
[11:29] <Mead> seems sorta shady, google even lists it first
[11:37] <kc2bez> It is a bit of a long story that I don't have all the details to but it isn't the official site. Sometimes Google page rankings can get skewed.
[11:38] <Mead> I'm skimming the aug 2016 the mailing list about it now :o
[11:42] <Mead> Gosh, the needless drama
[12:50] <Mead> is there anyway to do a repair install of lubuntu LTS 18.04?
[12:52] <diogenes_> Mead, by repair install you mean what?
[12:55] <Mead> well, I've got a 18.04 install that for lack of better terms is just "borked" after an update, hardware is fine, bootloader (on another drive) is fine.  but all I get is a black screen when.  I'd like to fix it instead of a clean install.
[13:01] <lynorian> Mead can you switch to a tty with control alt f2?
[13:10] <Mead> let me try
[13:10] <Mead> when do you hit alt-f2?
[13:11] <Mead> nope, keyboard is unresponsive can't get the lock buttons to turn on or off the indicator lights even
[13:12] <Mead> well I've gotten into the grum menu
[13:12] <Mead> er grub menu
[13:13] <Mead> meh, think it is the wrong instance of grub...
[13:23] <lynorian> Mead: do you have bootloaders on both?
[13:24] <lynorian> you mentioned multiple disks
[13:24] <lynorian> make sure you aren't booting off the wrong one
[13:24] <lynorian> that can be quite derp
[13:41] <Mead> so here is my conveluted system setup.... it's an older laptop (repurposed because broken screen), the Lubuntu is installed onto an SD card and the bootloader is on a USB flash drive because the bios won't boot from the SD card.  So I rigged up some version of grub (super grub boot image?) some months ago to get to boot, it aint pretty software wise but it has and still worked for quite a
[13:41] <Mead> while.
 Hello. With what I learned on the net and with the tips that were given to me on this channel, I added more tips to this article: ... https://sovietek.wordpress.com/2018/11/12/lubuntu-18-10-installation-tips/
 If there is any incorrectness in the tips presented in the article, please tell me.
 might want to add "OPTIONAL: Add Swap Space Afterwards" and write tips on how to add swap space via a swapfile rather than a partition
 because a few things don't add swap space anymore.
 LVM2 still does but uses a LV inside the PV for it
 (I have LVM2 but I removed the swap volume and just use swapfiles heh)
 @JyotiGomes ^
[17:44] <Mead> During an install I get an error stating "input/output error during read on /dev/sbd"  is this a sign the storage device is dying?
[17:57] <teward> Mead: quite probably.
[17:57] <teward> depending on what /dev/sdb is
[17:58] <Mead> it is a SD card
[17:59] <teward> then yes it is possible it's dying.
[18:00] <Mead> how do I check it's health to determine that is the problem?
[18:03] <teward> test it on another computer, or test another SD card to see if it's the reader you're using.
[18:03] <teward> if all SD cards fail then it's the reader/writer on the system
 @teward001 [@JyotiGomes ^], 👍
[18:34] <teward> Mead: if however you test the SD card in another system and it doesn't have the same error then you need to start looking at the failing reader/writer.
[18:34] <teward> but my guess is the SD card itself is busted, and testing it in another system would be the next step
[18:34] <teward> (I got pulled away sorry)
 Hello. In the passage from Lubuntu 18.04 (LXDE) to Lubuntu 18.10 (LXQt) it was advisable to make a fresh install. But from Lubuntu 18.10 it will already be possible to upgrade the Lubuntu versions (for 19.04, 19.10, 20.04, etc) without fresh install, am I correct?
 Yes
 For instance, I already move from 18.10 to 19.04 (dev)
 Nice
 @HMollerCl [For instance, I already move from 18.10 to 19.04 (dev)], do you advise to do the same (upgrade from 18.10 to 19.04, if i want just to see how it works? i have two laptops with lubuntu 18.10 and i can make the experience .-)
 At this moment 19.04 is a dev version, so you might get bugs. The amount of upgrades per day I hughe
 @HMollerCl [At this moment 19.04 is a dev version, so you might get bugs. The amount of upgr …], 👍🏼
 @HMollerCl [At this moment 19.04 is a dev version, so you might get bugs. The amount of upgr …], Can I ask why you did not choose to do a fresh install? Was it for you to know if the version upgrade worked well or were there more reasons?
 @JyotiGomes [Can I ask why did you not choose to do a fresh install? Was it for you to know i …], Testing purposes
 @HMollerCl [Testing purposes], I figured that was it :-) Ok, Thanks.