[07:17] <didrocks> good morning
[07:22] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:24] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:25] <duflu> didrocks, hey in bionic I don't get any circle next to the clock showing there are pending notifications. Have you seen that bug?
[07:30] <duflu> Found it. bug 1559491
[07:35] <didrocks> duflu: I haven't, but I didn't run bionic for a long time
[07:36] <didrocks> duflu: they are 2 kinds of notifications though, IIRC, those showing a dot, those which didn't (remembering Allan talking about it)
[07:37] <duflu> Well, the notifications are hiding in there next to the calendar. I assume if that's true the the dot should be visible to tell you they are hiding there
[07:37] <duflu> Also weird: My 1000Hz mouse now works properly in disco despite the systemd fix for it not being in disco
[07:38] <duflu> Maybe the kernel has improved
[08:50] <willcooke> g'morning
[08:52] <duflu> Morning willcooke (cricket sounds follow)
[08:52] <willcooke> how goes duflu?
[08:52] <duflu> willcooke, goes well. Just about back up to full speed again post holidays
[08:52] <duflu> You willcooke?
[08:53] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:53] <willcooke> Likewise, feel like I'm getting caught up
[08:53] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[08:53] <willcooke> Hopefully we can start on the interviews next week \o/
[08:54] <willcooke> Anyone (other than j_ibel) using Ubiquity hardware for internet?
[08:55] <jibel> I think it's spelt ubiquiti
[08:56] <jibel> with a I at the end unlike the ubuntu installer
[08:56] <willcooke> oh right
[08:56] <jibel> it can be confusing on this channel
[08:56] <willcooke> ha
[09:00] <Laney> yo
[09:01] <didrocks> I don't, but plan the future after moving ;)
[09:01] <willcooke> hi Laney
[09:01] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:01] <willcooke> didrocks, :))  It's about the same price as a raspberry pi but seems to do everything I need with zero effort on my part
[09:01] <duflu> o/   Laney
[09:02] <Laney> hey willcooke didrocks duflu, how's it going?
[09:02] <Laney> yeah I have unifi / ubiquiti / edgeos stuff
[09:02] <Laney> their product lines are confusing as hell
[09:02] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, I guess it will be handy ;)
[09:03] <didrocks> Laney: right
[09:04] <didrocks> willcooke: which one are you looking to? Most of them are quite pricy no?
[09:08] <willcooke> didrocks, edge router
[09:08] <willcooke> perhaps edge router x
[09:09] <willcooke> https://store.ubnt.com/products/edgerouter-x
[09:09] <didrocks> grrr, archive inconsistency made s390x tests failing for ubuntu-make, rerunning (the other archs are ok now)
[09:09] <didrocks> willcooke: ah, but no wifi expansion
[09:10] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:10] <willcooke> Their business model is interesting.  I am assuming that they are pretty much "giving away" these soho spec routers so that nerds buy them, and then they will get a grass roots following.
[09:10] <didrocks> I will have Gb plugs in every room, so not my need ;)
[09:10] <willcooke> didrocks, yeah I think I would add that later
[09:10] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah
[09:10] <didrocks> morning seb128
[09:10] <willcooke> I have cat5 in most places now, and good enough wifi everywhere
[09:10] <seb128> hey didrocks
[09:10] <willcooke> hi seb128
[09:10] <rbalint> willcooke, i use the router and the wifi, too
[09:11] <willcooke> rbalint, ah!  And you're happy I assume?  Do you use it with VDSL?
[09:12] <rbalint> willcooke, i'm super happy since the router's cli is like cisco's
[09:12] <willcooke> that would make me happy too :)
[09:12] <rbalint> also the wifi is fast
[09:13] <willcooke> I'm going to look at the QOS options and the multi-WAN routing a bit more, and then I think I will get one
[09:13] <rbalint> i have only ~50mbps uplink due to local constraint but parallel connections work much nicer than on usual small wifi routers
[09:14] <Laney> the edgerouters ship with an OS based on a really old debian
[09:14] <Laney> which is annoying me atm due to some incompatibilties between its openvpn and stable's
[09:14] <willcooke> Laney, any idea if they might fix it one day?
[09:14] <rbalint> willcooke, so no vdsl, just adsl
[09:15] <willcooke> rbalint, yeah, I've got two domestic VDSL connections which I round-robin load balance. 50 down 10 to 15 up each
[09:15] <Laney> yeah they said they were working on a newer base
[09:15] <willcooke> cool
[09:15] <Laney> it basically works well though, you might not care/notice
[09:16] <willcooke> I do have an OpenVPN tunnel up to an Ubuntu box in Digital Ocean
[09:16] <willcooke> but yeah, I can probably work around that
[09:17] <Laney> it probably works, I was trying to push some settings relating to ipv6 that aren't in older openvpns
[09:18] <willcooke> I get an IPv6 address(es) with my BT line, so I would like to start using it. But, ya know, it's new-fangled
[09:19] <Laney> I'm sure that'll work
[09:19] <Laney> I was trying to get a /64 from my VPS onto the router
[09:19] <Laney> so it'd be my "ISP" for ipv6
[09:19] <willcooke> ahh
[09:19] <Trevinho> Morning ppl!
[09:20] <Laney> but I've failed so far :(
[09:20] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[09:20] <Trevinho> Hi Laney
[09:20] <willcooke> morning Trevinho
[09:20] <Laney> gimme some news
[09:20] <didrocks> morning Trevinho
[09:22] <Nafallo> morning
[09:23] <willcooke> hi Nafallo
[09:23] <Nafallo> actually; is it morning if the coffee haven't kicked in yet, or still night?
[09:23] <willcooke> :)
[09:23] <Nafallo> to be or not to be...
[09:26] <seb128> hey trevinho
[09:28] <Laney> moin seb128, missed you coming in
[09:28] <duflu> Morning Trevinho, seb128, Nafallo, Europe, Africa...
[09:29] <duflu> And America if you're crazy
[09:29] <seb128> hey duflu Laney
[09:29] <seb128> Laney, I sneaked in with the uk crowd :)
[09:29] <Nafallo> :-D
[09:39] <seb128> Laney, thx for the calendar/vac update :)
[09:40] <Laney> np
[09:40] <Laney> just need to decide where to go now :-)
[09:41] <Laney> apparently Wales might have the new world's steepest street, which sounds like a tourist attaction worth visiting ...
[09:45] <seb128> haha
[09:55] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[09:55] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[09:55] <seb128> hey oSoMoN
[09:55] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke, seb128
[10:10] <Laney> aloha oSoMoN
[10:10] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[10:10] <Laney> how's it going?
[10:46] <Laney> that good
[11:28] <oSoMoN> ooops, my attention got distracted from IRC, sorry Laney I didn't mean to ignore you. I'm good, thanks! how are you yourself?
[11:37] <Laney> oSoMoN: :D yeah, not bad thanks
[13:28]  * andyrock realised he forgot to wish all a good morning today :/
[13:30] <willcooke> hi andyrock :)
[13:34] <seb128> hey andyrock
[13:35] <jbicha> good morning
[13:38] <oSoMoN> good afternoon andyrock
[13:38] <oSoMoN> good morning jbicha
[13:50] <seb128> hey jbicha
[15:40] <acheronuk> seb128: thanks for the comment on the software-properties menu visibility bug. I'd sorta forgotten about that for the time being, but knew the diff on the bug was no longer good. I'll try to do as suggested soon
[15:41] <seb128> acheronuk, yw! and thx, I can have another look when you submit the change, feel free to ping me on IRC on add me to the mp as reviewer
[15:41] <acheronuk> ok :)
[16:20] <seb128> Trevinho, is there anyone upstream you can try to nag about getting https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libnotify/merge_requests/4 reviewed? I would prefer to have it no distro-specific-patched if we can avoid it
[16:20] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 4 in libnotify "notify-send: allow passing colon as hint value" [Opened]
[16:22] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry, confused changed, ... can you try to upstream the one from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnotify/+bug/1802483 ?
[16:22] <seb128> seems it's not atm?
[16:38] <Trevinho> seb128: so you were referring to the snap one right?
[16:38] <Trevinho> Well, I thought not to upstream it as it was very snap specific... anyway libnotify doesn't seem to have a proper maintainer now
[16:38] <Trevinho> so... If we do a review ourselves upstream we can probably merge it
[16:39] <Trevinho> per sé it won't touch anything inside non-snap envs
[17:01] <seb128> trevinho, yes the snap one, sorry for the confusion
[17:01] <seb128> right, I expect upstream to be fine having snap specific code if that doesn't impact them
[17:02] <Trevinho> seb128: I can propose that, then maybe ken can give it a look & review?
[17:03] <seb128> well propose it anyway, then we can wait for upstream and distro patch meanwhile
[17:03] <Trevinho> ok
[17:03] <Trevinho> seb128: and we need to SRU it more than everything
[17:04] <Trevinho> seb128: I was looking the thing also for GApplication's notify, but those are more complicated, as they need an app-id as source, and..  app-id's are not possible as per snap format on .desktop files
[17:04] <seb128> right, first step is land it in disco, I can handle that and the SRUs but I would like it at least proposed upstream
[17:05] <Trevinho> ok
[17:05] <Trevinho> seb128: playing with this for GApplication would make it you see what I mean https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VBQ79pHD5b/
[17:06] <seb128> right
[17:06] <seb128> one step at the time
[17:14] <Trevinho> seb128: libnotify proposed at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libnotify/merge_requests/5
[17:14] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 5 in libnotify "notification: use snap namespace and prefix whent launched inside snap" [Opened]
[17:14] <seb128> Trevinho, thx
[17:15] <seb128> can you get a code review for that from someone in our team before we upload/SRU? maybe andyrock if he has some review cycle, that shouldn't be too long/complex right?
[17:22] <Trevinho> k
[17:24] <seb128> we still need to get a review from upstream then
[17:25] <seb128> but a first code review would give us more confidence in having the improvement in Ubuntu while it's blocked on upstream
[18:17] <willcooke> night all
[18:48] <marcustomlinson> Trevinho: hi! :) Totally eavesdropping here, just a thought: Wouldn't you be logging "Setting hint..." sometimes when the value is not actually amended? : https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libnotify/merge_requests/5/diffs#89fbedd120537a5dd6e1c2b16cc94af0bfeba8a3_782_916
[18:48] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 5 in libnotify "notification: use snap namespace and prefix whent launched inside snap" [Opened]
[18:48] <marcustomlinson> Say if the key was neither "desktop-entry", "image-path", "image_path" or "sound-file"
[19:45] <andyrock> seb128: I can take a look next week
[19:46] <andyrock> also I'm trying to understand why zfs  module is being loaded at boot time
[19:46] <andyrock> tainting my kernel and making it impossible to install livepatches
[19:47] <andyrock> I'm not using any zfs
[20:25] <seb128> andyrock, try asking on #ubuntu-kernel maybe if they have an idea?
[20:48] <andyrock> it was because of lxd
[20:49] <seb128> ah
[20:49] <seb128> so lxd is conflicting with livepatch use?
[20:49] <seb128> that seems suboptimal :/