[00:04] <Term1nal> Question, how can I find out what error cause my root filesystem to mount as read only? fstab has errors=remount-ro, so I'm assuming some kind of error occured, but combing through dmesg does not help
[00:05] <Term1nal> fsck shows the volume as clean
[00:05] <philipp64> hi… how much longer is Ubuntu going to support PPC hardware?
[00:06] <genii> philipp64: The last official PPC release was Trusty
[00:07] <genii> !trusty
[00:09] <philipp64> what about community support? and what kernel does trusty ship?
[00:10] <genii> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[00:10] <OerHeks> PPC - Notable absentees are: Chrome/Chromium, Adobe Flash, Wine (however Qemu can be used, see below), Skype, ndiswrapper, proprietary video drivers and Dropbox. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#What_software_is_available_for_PowerPC.3F
[00:11] <philipp64> thanks… well, it's not 4.10… but it's better than 2.6.32…
[00:11] <OerHeks> but you can run supertuxcart
[00:11] <philipp64> actually this would be for an embedded device… a network appliance.
[00:11] <genii> philipp64: Official support ends April this year for Trusty. There may be later community PPC ports however
[00:11] <philipp64> so not worried about Skype, WINE, Flash, etc.
[00:12] <philipp64> which distro has the best powerpc support?
[00:12] <OerHeks> debian dropped 32 bit ppc too, it is a dying arch
[00:13] <genii> OerHeks: Yes
[00:13] <philipp64> yeah, and gcc-8 announced that powerpc support is on the way out.
[00:13] <philipp64> but my employer has hardware out there that we need to support for another 5 years… sigh.
[00:14] <genii> philipp64: For PPC architecture, probably YDL ( Yellow Dog Linux )
[00:14] <philipp64> we need to pivot to another distro that can keep us going during that time.
[00:14] <philipp64> Is YDL still a thing?  we're currently using ELKD 4.2 which is downstream of YDL…
[00:15] <philipp64> but they pivoted to Yocto.
[00:15] <genii> Yes, whatever they evolved into would probably be the very last actively supported PPC linuxes ( unless there is a debian or Ubuntu community port)
[00:18] <OerHeks> what if you used the server iso, and put on a desktop ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04.5/release/ubuntu-16.04.5-server-powerpc.iso
[00:19] <genii> philipp64: There seems to be a 64bit version of some type
[00:19] <IniGit> does anybody know why uhelper=udisk2 does not work in /etc/fstab – I can still only mount and umount via sudo in the terminal?
[00:20] <IniGit> strangely it works in gnome-disks without password
[00:20] <IniGit> but not via cli
[00:22] <philipp64> genii: our hw is all 32-bit (85xxDP and e500v2)
[00:25] <genii> philipp64: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/xenial/ indicates a regular PPC is available for that version, which would give you a couple more years than Trusty. But it is a community port
[00:25] <MiguelPeru> can someone help me troubleshoot this. I believe my laptop has 2 graphic cards, intel hd and geforce 610m how do I know I have preferred drivers installed for each
[00:25] <MiguelPeru> my urban terror runs horrible
[00:26] <genii> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[00:26] <genii> philipp64: The kernel is also 4.4 as the bot shows
[00:26] <OerHeks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[00:27] <OerHeks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list # or directly # sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[00:28] <OerHeks> intel should be in the kernel already
[00:29] <philipp64> genii: we could live with a community port, especially if we're feeding fixes back upstream and helping to "float all boats".
[00:29] <genii> philipp64: There also *may* have been PPC in Yakkety and Zesty, but those have now been archived to old-releases
[00:29] <philipp64> well, 4.4 isn't 4.19, but it's not 2.6.32 either...
[00:31] <philipp64> so we might be able to help with a kernel update for xenial to 4.15 or later on PPC...
[00:31] <genii> philipp64: If you have some machine running the PPC port of Trusty, I'd try to dist-upgrade it to Xenial, then change upgrade check from LTS->LTS to Normal and see if it might go one more version, or possibly two
[00:31] <genii> ( that would be the end of the line though )
[00:32] <philipp64> just ELDK-4.2 for now… which is RHEL7.x piped through YDL
[00:32] <MiguelPeru> can someone help me troubleshoot this. I believe my laptop has 2 graphic cards, intel hd and geforce 610m how do I know I have preferred drivers installed for each my urban terror runs horrible
[00:33] <Term1nal> Question: How can I find out what error cause my root filesystem to mount as read only? fstab has errors=remount-ro, so I'm assuming some kind of error occured, but combing through dmesg isn't revealing the cause, just a message saying it was remounted some 250ms after boot, and fsck shows the volume as clean.
[00:33] <OerHeks> MiguelPeru, i tried ...
[00:34] <genii> Term1nal: If you also booted into single user mode/recovery mode, the filesystem would be mounted read-only
[00:35] <Term1nal> It's not recovery mode.
[00:35] <Term1nal> I only found out it was readonly because systemd was stuck not doing anything
[00:36] <Term1nal> so I flipped over to another tty and checked blame, it was fingering resolved for not being able to start
[00:36] <genii> Term1nal: So if the filesystem has been marked clean, you could try: sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[00:36] <badr_> Hello, how does one find the UUID of a device?
[00:37] <Term1nal> which I dug in deeper found out that it's because the filesystem was readonly, so I remount as rw and run systemctl default, it runs normally and login screen shows up, can log in, use desktop etc.
[00:37] <Term1nal> If I reboot the system, the same thing occurs.
[00:37] <pragmaticenigma> !blkid | badr_
[00:37] <genii> badr_: sudo blkid  ..should show all UUIDS
[00:37] <Term1nal> the only thing I can find that looks remotely related is some error message about auto4fs module not being found.
[00:38] <MiguelPeru> OerHeks, remaind me?
[00:39] <OerHeks> MiguelPeru, just read back, howto show drivers installed for nvidia and/or to install them
[00:39] <Term1nal> er, rather, autofs4 module
[00:39] <Term1nal> mistype
[00:40] <badr_>  thank you very much
[00:40] <OerHeks> nvidia 610 should run urban terror fine
[00:41] <genii> Term1nal: If the fs is now mounted rw, you could try re-installing it to make sure the module is available. ( packagename is just the same, autofs )
[00:41] <Term1nal> I don't even know if that's what's causing it, however.
[00:41] <Term1nal> Just the only potentially related error I could see that might have anything to do with the filesystem
[00:42] <Term1nal> Is there any way to find out the criteria of what triggered the error mount condition?
[00:42] <genii> Term1nal: There may be some clue in the results of dmesg
[00:44] <Term1nal> I checked, there's nothing mentioning the root filesystem device, volume, UUID, or anything until or after the message notifying that the / filesystem was rmounted
[00:46] <MiguelPeru> OerHeks, I don't have ubuntu-drivers executable just 3 ubuntu-something
[00:47] <MiguelPeru> OerHeks, it's for a ubuntu 10.04 instalacion
[00:47] <OerHeks> MiguelPeru, oh, we do not support that old beast anymore
[00:47] <OerHeks> upgrade, or good luck
[00:53] <MiguelPeru> OerHeks, I found it on an abandoned case and decided I'd mount it on a pen and boot it in my i7
[00:53] <MiguelPeru> yea is so outdated
[00:54] <OerHeks> so no servers, no drivers, no updates, i would not waste time on it
[01:00] <texla> Ubuntu-mate 18.04 Error "system program problem detected" where do i find this error
[01:03] <tomreyn> texla: anything in /var/crash/ ?
[01:04] <badr_> i can to recover my date from ubuntu can't be run?
[01:04] <tomreyn> badr_: what is you r native language? and which other langauges do you speak?
[01:05] <tomreyn> badr_: what is your native language? and which other langauges do you speak?
[01:05] <badr_> why?
[01:05] <tomreyn> badr_: because it may be easier to make progress if you speak the same language as those you are asking for help.
[01:06] <tomreyn> badr_: currently there is clearly a language barrier.
[01:06] <tomreyn> if, for example, you speak french, too, you could try #ubuntu-fr
[01:07] <badr_> channel of my languge dead
[01:08] <tomreyn> i see :-/
[01:09] <snowgoggles> badr_: google translate for your problem?
[01:13] <philipp64> badr: #ubuntu-aramaic?
[01:26] <texla> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/js4R9XL1  .. this is the crash report  for lightdm there is also on for caja
[01:28] <pragmaticenigma> philipp64: they've left it would appear
[01:28] <Eli-5dce> Hey! so i'm having like a serious issue with my video drivers, and i keep getting a lot of screen flickering. and I can't seem to get it fixed.
[01:31] <tomreyn> texla: this crash happened on january 3
[01:31] <tomreyn> !details | Eli-5dce
[01:35] <texla> tomreyn, Also caja also show january 3 the error panel shows up every time I open ubuntu-mate and wants me to send report
[01:35] <Eli-5dce> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/FMGanref No errors, but this is my video information and pc specifications
[01:43] <tomreyn> texla: is your system fully patched? can you install pastebinit and show the output of: sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( lsb_release -ds  2>&1; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline 2>&1; echo [01:43] <tomreyn> Eli-5dce: wow, core 2 duo, that's 10y old, right?
[01:44] <tomreyn> Eli-5dce: can you: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:45] <Eli-5dce> tomreyn, thats correct, but it's one of the last good ones. I squeeze a lot of power out of this t9990..
[01:47] <Eli-5dce> tomreyn, termbin : https://termbin.com/1qk4
[01:47] <tomreyn> Eli-5dce: please update the kernel.
[01:50] <Eli-5dce> tomreyn, which kernal? the Video kernal or  OS Kernal?
[01:51] <R3dC4p> Has anyone had issues with the amdgpu driver in a switchable graphics system? I'm on Kubuntu 18.04. I have tried with kernel 4.15 and kernel 4.20, and it refuses to load the module, and downloading frish files from AMD's site fails as well. Full description of what was tried is here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1108451/unable-to-use-amdgpu-driver-in-18-04
[01:52] <texla> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4BZDNtbs8y/
[01:53] <tomreyn> Eli-5dce: the 'OS kernel is behind. just install all pending software updates
[01:54] <tomreyn> texla: oh this looks very clean, is this a fresh install then?
[01:54] <texla> tomreyn, yes about a month or so
[01:55] <tomreyn> texla: can you post: jounrnalctl -b | pastebinit
[01:56] <tomreyn> texla: can you post: journalctl -b | pastebinit
[01:56] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
[01:57] <texla> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5Wtd84WS88/
[01:59] <tomreyn> R3dC4p: try the !HWE kernel and amdgpu.dc=1
[02:00] <tomreyn> R3dC4p: before you do, be sure to undo all of the amdgpu-pro installation
[02:05] <tomreyn> texla: this sounds like somethign you could search the web for:     mate-session: WARNING: Unable to find provider '' of required component 'dock'
[02:06] <tomreyn> Also this:    PAM unable to dlopen(pam_kwallet.so): /lib/security/pam_kwallet.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:07] <tomreyn> and this:   zeitgeist-daemon.vala:334: Failed to execute child process zeitgeist-datahub (No such file or directory)
[02:07] <crescent> howdy everyone, wondering if anyone can help me nail down this samba issue i'm having? :)
[02:08] <tomreyn> texla: also this:   dbus-daemon: Unknown group "power" in message bus configuration file
[02:08] <R3dc4p_> Installed HWE kernel and set amdgpu.dc=1 in grub, lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|Display' reports radeon card as using 'radeon driver', with 'radeon' and 'amdgpu' modules available.
[02:09] <texla> tomreyn, Will do thanks for the additional info
[02:11] <tomreyn> texla: i don't see any caja crashes in there, but maybe this would be on "journalctl --user" rather, not sure
[02:12] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: okay let me double check that this hardware should be using amdgpu. can you run "sudo ubuntu-drivers list" in the meantime?
[02:14] <R3dc4p_> Tomryn: Done. Was it supposed to return something other than blank?
[02:16] <R3dc4p_> tomreyn: *
[02:16] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: not strictly, just wanted to be sure, this graphics chipset you have, R7 M265 (Opal XT), is one of the older GCN (graphics core next) 1st generation. IIRC those are not well supported by amdgpu. but this is from memory only, trying to find a source for thi.
[02:16] <tomreyn> *this
[02:17] <tomreyn> AKA Southern Islands
[02:18] <R3dc4p_> tomreyn: It's listed as supported on Ubuntu's amdgou help page, otherwise I wouldn't have tried so hard to get in working, ha.
[02:18] <R3dc4p_> amdgpu*
[02:22] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: can you point to this page? from what i read there is experimental support for this graphics chipset on the linux kernel since 4.9 but only if a non-default compile time kernel option is set.
[02:22] <tomreyn> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/amd-gfx/2016-September/002384.html
[02:23] <R3dc4p_> tomreyn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver
[02:23] <tomreyn> it doesn't say which one that is, but looking at /boot/config-4.15.0-43-generic on my 18.04 system it may be CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI=y
[02:23] <crescent> can anyone help me with a samba issue i'm having? feels like i'm just on the cusp of getting it to work but hitting a wall
[02:23] <kilde> Help.  I tried to fix my sound/video sync, now I have no sound, my machine wont finish shutting down
[02:25] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: this page should be rather outdated, but i agree it does suggest that this hardware was supported in 17.04.
[02:26] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: note "if you have problems with"... below the table, though
[02:27] <R3dc4p_> tomreyn: Noted that, but I'm on 18.04 with the hwe kernel, which is two of those points.
[02:28] <R3dc4p_> and i'd rather not roll all the way back to 14.04
[02:32] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: hwe referred to a different kernel version then, i'm just pointing this note out since it may be an indication that support was previously picky.
[02:33] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: and i'm surely not suggesting to install 14.04 these days. 3 months of support left.
[02:33] <tomreyn> the table at https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ states that southern island cards run with radeon by default, so that's what you're seeing
[02:35] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: so in 18.04, using the default radeon driver, there are problems with both the general release as well as the HWE kernel for you?
[02:35] <tomreyn> !sound | kilde
[02:39] <R3dc4p_> tomreyn: For general use, it works fine. I was hoping for the newer code base and performance increase with the amdgpu drivers.
[02:40] <tomreyn> i see. i'd recommend newer hardware for amdgpu.
[02:42] <R3dc4p_> tomreyn: Thanks for the help, regardless. Hopefully (and I'm crossing my fingers here) support fot the GCN 1.1 cards improves.
[02:47] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: did you say that "sudo lscpi -knnv" lists both drivers as available for this graphics card?
[02:47] <tomreyn> try this on the hwe kernel first.
[02:48] <tomreyn> R3dc4p_: if so, you can blacklist radeon and see if amdgpu gets loaded
[02:49] <R3dC4p> tomreyn: I actually just tried an edit from deep within a google search, booting with 'radeon.si_support=0 radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.si_support=1 amdgpu.cik_support=1' seems to have worked
[02:50] <tomreyn> so which one was it using then, radeon or amdgpu?
[02:51] <R3dC4p> tomreyn: With those boot options, it is currently listed as using amdgpu
[02:52] <tomreyn> oh nice
[02:53] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p: Interesting way of testing. why not blacklist radeon then?
[02:53] <tomreyn> my amdgpu.dc=! suggestionw as misplaced, please ignore it
[02:55] <R3dC4p> snowgoggles: Might be interesting to try. lemme see what happens
[02:57] <tomreyn> i suspect you found those options on https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdgpu-radeon-414
[02:59] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: Booting with radeon blacklisted results in the system deciding to not load a module.
[03:00] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: amdgpu is from the builtin source? no ppa?
[03:01] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: correct. its whatever is built in to the 4.18 kernel
[03:01] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: I'm reading your backthread
[03:05] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: so the boot options exclude and include work but the radeon blacklist fails?
[03:07] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: yup. it chooses to not load anything.
[03:07] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: But it works now, so I'm happy.
[03:08] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: i just read similar solution. the user hardcoded the boot options into his grub
[03:09] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: I'd love to be able to find out if the driver baked into the kernel has powerxpress support.
[03:11] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: oh switchable graphics. with what igpu?
[03:12] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: you may have to go proprietary for that but i'm not certain
[03:12] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: Whatever is on my Skylake chip. HD 520, I believe. And I don't think I can go proprietary, though now that I can even get it to load, I might try.
[03:13] <R3dC4p_> Previous attempts with the binaries downloaded from AMD resulted in the GUI failing to load completely.
[03:16] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: 18.04 or 18.10?
[03:17] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: 18.04. I only ever run LTS
[03:18] <R3dC4p_> On DDs at least.
[03:19] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: R7 M265?
[03:19] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: yup
[03:20] <R3dC4p_> Branded in my laptop as a firepro something or other. W4190 i think?
[03:20] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: there is no proprietary driver for that card since 2015
[03:21] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: I could install the amdgpu-pro package, which, on ubuntu, has powerexpress support when installed with the -px flag
[03:23] <R3dC4p_> AMD doesn't do fglrx drivers anymore. they develop the open source amdgpu package, and essentially have closed source 'addons' with the -pro installation.
[03:23] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: link?
[03:24] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/amdgpu-installation
[03:30] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: yeah go for it...what do you got to lose? I'm not certain these instructions will work for your card but if i was to run this, i would use the legacy switch for the install. then cross my fingers
[03:32] <R3dC4p_> snowgoggles: I'll monkey with it. I'm able to reliably recover by botting to shell and purging amd packages. it won'ty affect the driver built into the kernel. but anyway, thanks for everything
[03:34] <snowgoggles> R3dC4p_: looks like you made good progress tonight. tomreyn!! good stuff guys!!
[04:04] <reaga> how the heck do websites know if i have adblocker enabled or not?
[04:05] <clorisu> Hi, when I try to connect my bluetooth laptop (logitech k810) with bluetoothctl I get this error message: `Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed`. I also cant connect with blueman or any other gui. Can anyone help?
[04:06] <tomreyn> !ot | reaga: maybe try asking this in ##privacy
[04:08] <tomreyn> clorisu: which ubuntu version isthis?
[04:08] <clorisu> kernel 4.20
[04:09] <tomreyn> clorisu: what's the output of "lsb_release -ds"
[04:10] <clorisu> "Manjaro Linux"
[04:10] <tomreyn> clorisu: what's the name of this channel?
[04:10] <clorisu> ubuntu
[04:10] <tomreyn> do you notice a difference?
[04:10] <clorisu> Im new to linux, im confused
[04:10] <clorisu> isnt ubuntu linux?
[04:11] <Callixo> try /join #manjaro
[04:11] <tomreyn> ubuntu is a linux derivate. oranges are edible, so are cookies.
[04:12] <tomreyn> err linux distribution, debian derivate
[04:12] <netsca> Technically yes. but more accurately linux is just one part of ubuntu. linux is the kernel which basically allocates how much hardware (cpu, ram, etc) the software can use
[04:20] <clorisu> so can you help me or not?
[04:31] <oscarcito> tsunami now 10/01/2019 in live: http://festyy.com/wVzrCn
[04:34] <tomreyn> ^ this (html source) looks malicious, don't access it with a web browser
[06:06] <qzo> Hello, I am running Ubuntu 16.04, and I am having performance issues with my RX550 with the amdgpu-pro driver v 18.20-684755
[06:07] <qzo> desktop and video work fine, but all 3d programs crawl
[06:07] <qzo> any ideas on how to diagnose this?
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> qzo: from where did you get the driver?
[06:07] <qzo> lotuspsychje: from the AMD website
[06:07] <qzo> https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-prorad-lin-18-20
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> qzo: did you enable DRI?
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> qzo: doublecheck here mate: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[06:09] <qzo> I did not
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> qzo: compare your driver version to the one from ppa aswell
[06:09] <qzo> are these instructions applicable to 16.04 as well?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> qzo: just pick the 16.04 version instead of the 18.04
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> qzo: hmm, maybe not:  16.04 (xenial) <- unmantained - migrate to bionic ASAP
[06:11] <qzo> true
[06:11] <qzo> I will try that first
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> qzo: whats your kernel on 16.04?
[06:12] <qzo> lotuspsychje: 4.15.0-43
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> ah good
[06:13] <qzo> I have done manual patching and some other work but I have not run a full distro upgrade
[06:13] <qzo> which is probably why some things are broken
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> qzo: did you also try amdgpu from untu itself by default?bu
[06:13] <qzo> I did try that originally, but ran into some other issues
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> what kind of
[06:14] <qzo> black screen, and when I got it working heavy screen tearing
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> right
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> qzo: is your system not fully up to date, is that what you mean?
[06:15] <qzo> its the latest for 16.04, but I know a lot of packages aren't being maintained for that version
[06:15] <qzo> I'm biting the bullet and moving to 18.04 anyways
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> what do mean? 16.04 is still supported for a while
[06:16] <qzo> for example, libdvdcss updates did not get pushed to the 16.04 repository
[06:16] <qzo> but they are present in 18
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> qzo: its not because 16.04 hasnt latest packages, that it isnt stable
[06:17] <qzo> these packages where marked as stable and got pushed to the 18.0.4 LTS branch
[06:18] <qzo> package managers are a new thing for me, I used slackware from 2003 to 2016
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> qzo: i think in your case what i would do, is file a bug on the amdgpu from the repos to get details gathered
[06:19] <qzo> I will give that a shot
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> qzo: maybe also try the tearing on a liveusb to compare
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> qzo: if both doesnt work and amdgpu from amd fails, maybe consider 18.04
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> qzo: but as 16.04 is still a while supported, might still be relevant to bug right
[06:20] <qzo> agreed
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> qzo:  we also have users testing with higher !mainline kernels on (newer) amd chipsets
[06:22] <qzo> my CPU chipset is an old intel server chipset, I had to make some manual modifications and patches last time I recompiled
[06:22] <qzo> I will take a look at some newer mainline kernels as well
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> qzo: feel free to share your dmesg in a pastebin too, volunteers can have a look for you
[07:28] <OERIAS> richard@oerias-1:~$ brave
[07:28] <OERIAS> snap-confine has elevated permissions and is not confined but should be. Refusing to continue to avoid permission escalation attacks
[07:28] <OERIAS>  can someone help?
[07:34] <tomreyn> OERIASwhich ubuntu verison? lsb_release -ds
[07:36] <tomreyn> did apparmor seem to start up fine?  systemctl status apparmor.service
[07:40] <OERIAS> tomreyn, 18.04
[07:40] <OERIAS> apparmor has been giving me issues for weeks
[07:41] <OERIAS> especially with the notifications coming from snap apps
[07:41] <tomreyn> OERIAS: which kernel are you running? cat /proc/version
[07:41] <tomreyn> any special parameters? cat /proc/cmdline
[07:42] <OERIAS> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.18.0-13-generic root=UUID=171e4c42-11ae-4dc1-bb87-d19272e97512 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[07:43] <tomreyn> and /proc/version ?
[07:43] <LaRose_Bleu> yello o/
[07:44] <OERIAS> bash: /proc/version: Permission denied
[07:44] <tomreyn> you missed 'cat'
 OERIAS: which kernel are you running? cat /proc/version
[07:44] <LaRose_Bleu> i have a weird issue with my ubuntu installation where it doesnt wake up from sleep. sometimes pressing the power button wakes it and sometimes it has to be rebooted to wake. any suggestions?
[07:44] <OERIAS> Linux version 4.18.0-13-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-048) (gcc version 8.2.0 (Ubuntu 8.2.0-7ubuntu1)) #14-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 5 09:04:24 UTC 2018
[07:44] <OERIAS> ^ tomreyn
[07:45] <tomreyn> OERIAS: okay, so the HWE kernel on 18.04 LTS. what's the output of: sudo systemctl status apparmor.service 2>&1 |  pastebinit
[07:47] <tomreyn> LaRose_Bleu: bios update, http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html , kernel upgrade (!HWE), ubuntu upgrade
[07:57] <LaRose_Bleu> tomreyn: thanks, my kernel is up to date v4.20 and my ubuntu is up to date as well, i think
[07:57] <LaRose_Bleu> i ran apt upgrade before i went to sleep, waking up to the same issues
[07:59] <tomreyn> LaRose_Bleu: "lsb_release -ds" reports your ubuntu version, kernel 4.20 is not supported here
[08:00] <LaRose_Bleu> so ill have to oll back?
[08:00] <LaRose_Bleu> roll*
[08:01] <tomreyn> LaRose_Bleu: why did you install 4.20, and how?
[08:01] <LaRose_Bleu> i figured a kernel update would fix the issue, i used ukuu
[08:02] <tomreyn> so since it didnt fix the issue, i'd purge the mainline kernels and stick to general availability or hwe
[08:04] <tomreyn> you probably have ACPI errors in "desmg" output, inspecting those may give you a better idea of what's wrong
[08:07] <LaRose_Bleu> alright
[08:07] <LaRose_Bleu> i'll give it a looksee
[08:10] <repz> Hi there, I'm having an issue with my laptop using cinnamon with ubuntu 18.04.1, suspend mode just does not works and goes back to screensaver. Looked at logs but nothing really explicit there.
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> s
[08:21] <haasn> When dpkg prompts me to use either the old/install version or the new/packaged version of a config file, is there a way to interactively three-way merge it instead (hunk by hunk)?
[08:21] <haasn> the only other option is "start a shell to examine the situation", but I don't know if there are any ready-made command line tools for this
[08:22] <haasn> I know dispatch-conf solves this problem perfectly on gentoo
[08:22] <haasn> but it's portage-specific
[08:32] <paul1us> hello all,
[08:33] <paul1us> how do I disable the default search in the browser? if I start typing it starts the search automatically. I would like the search to be triggered by a shortcut, like Ctrl+F
[09:20] <carpediembaby> Hello, I have created an executable from a python project but when i launch the build version, I get ZipImportError : can't decompress data; zlib not found. I have installed the zlib1g package as suggested on google, but no luck
[09:21] <carpediembaby> The error starts with Py_Initialize : Unable to get locale encoding
[09:22] <carpediembaby> I'm looking for any ideas, please!
[09:23] <netsca> Have you installed a package called something like zlibg-dev?
[09:45] <elias_a> Is there a PDF viewer that would show the OCRd text in a PDF document that has both scanned image and OCRd text?
[10:23] <IniGit> hi
[10:23] <IniGit> does somebody know what --object-path OBJECT is in the following statement?
[10:23] <IniGit> udisksctl mount {--object-path OBJECT | --block-device DEVICE}
[10:42] <thyriaen> i get an dpkg ERROR: This package can only be installed on Ubuntu 18.04. - however i am running a derivate of ubuntu 18.04 and would like to force the install anyways - is there a way i can do that ?
[10:45] <legreffier> thyriaen: what system do you actually use ?
[10:45] <thyriaen> elementary legreffier
[10:48] <`ajven> Hello, Looking working repository for download deepin desktop environment, that one provided in 99% tutorial is not working
[10:49] <`ajven> someone can help?
[10:49] <LaRose_Bleu> can you?
[10:49] <LaRose_Bleu> if you can i'd like to try it as wello, its really pretty
[10:52] <`ajven> its even possible to find proper repo for that?
[10:53] <LaRose_Bleu> i have no idea my dude
[10:53] <LaRose_Bleu> im a complete noob
[10:53] <thyriaen> legreffier, any idea how to proceed ?
[10:55] <Callixo> `ajven: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/how-to-install-deepin-desktop-environment-on-ubuntu-18-04
[10:55] <Callixo> ?
[10:55] <`ajven> Callixo repo is not working
[10:55] <`ajven> Callixo: Old:5 http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic-backports InRelease
[10:55] <`ajven> Error:6 http://ppa.launchpad.net/leaeasy/dde/ubuntu cosmic Release
[10:55] <`ajven>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.95.83 80]
[10:56] <Callixo> interesting nvm lol
[10:57] <`ajven> I need deepin because only this DE supportin scaling 125/150%
[10:58] <catmando> hey all
[10:59] <catmando> i need some help setting up a samba share on 18.04. it worked fine in 16.04 and the smbclient command line still works but when i try to connect from a windows machine it appears to be always appending the domain name and the error is "incorrect password"
[11:00] <catmando> the 16.04 machine I have is still working as expected (and both machines and the client live on the same network)_
[11:00] <catmando> there's nothing unusual in the settings, just a trivial share
[11:03] <`ajven> Damn nobody can help :/
[11:09] <Callixo> `ajven: https://linoxide.com/ubuntu-how-to/install-deepin-desktop-environment-derivatives-ubuntu/ not gonna recommend it but if yah wanna hack around
[11:09] <`ajven> Cellixo: gonna try, thank you !
[11:14] <`ajven> some gpg error :(
[11:47] <legreffier> thyriaen: what package are you talking about ?
[12:06] <NTQ> Just got a weird issue here when trying to connect to a xrdp session from Windows 7 pro. I already found a summary of the issue here but unfortunality there is no solution. Maybe you can help me with that: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54127968/sesman-xvnc-throws-password-failed-with-every-user
[12:07] <NTQ> With htop I can see that the session I want to connect is still running with all its subprocesses.
[12:08] <NTQ> I try to connect to an Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS.
[12:10] <NTQ> I already killed every other Xnvc process that was running under the user I want to connect.
[12:15] <thyriaen> legreffier, amdgpu-core
[12:19] <NTQ> Just killed every Xvnc process on the machine, deleted the .vnc folder inside the users home directoty, but the same error still occurs
[12:25] <NTQ> Okay, found the solution here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/493670/162624
[12:26] <fishcooker> im facing the same docker problem installation with this https://github.com/docker/for-linux/issues/163#issuecomment-428575071
[12:33] <sub526> Hello All, when I run 'apt-get update' I got "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." message in the last. Can any one explain, what is the reason for getting that error message?
[12:35] <raj> I can't seem to download zlib
[12:35] <raj> what package name should I be downloading?
[13:16] <thekswenson> My machine running Ubuntu 18.10 keeps freezing (with no ability to switch to the F3-F7 terminals). Memtest86 passes. No suspicious messages in kern.log or syslog. Full details here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/677436 .
[13:17] <thekswenson> Please help!?
[13:21] <drebsec> thekswenson that sounds like memory or a motherboard problem. Is it older machine? You might try pulling the RAM, blowing it out with air, and re-seating it. Just a thought
[13:22] <thekswenson> 1 year old machine ordered from DELL.  It passes all memory tests.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:24] <drebsec> I hear ya, but wonkiness like that is almost always hardware-related. For example, if you had a lightning storm that partially fried one part of your video card - which is only accessed when certain things are loaded into video RAM. But it could be anything from any of the subsystems on the mobo, to the RAM, to the video card. FWIW it sounds like hardware to me, and probably not disk problem.
[13:26] <NTQ> sub526: This happens when a previous update has crashed
[13:27] <meldron> Hey guys, does anyone know how to determine the max Link Quality level? On some of my cards it's 70 on others it's 100 (displayed by iwconfig), is there some proc/sys file where i can look it up?
[13:28] <NTQ> raj: try "apt-cache search zlib". Looks like you need zlib1g
[13:29] <NTQ> thekswenson: I had such problems with my first thinkpad. The reason was a a faulty video ram. Can you try an other graphic unit?
[13:32] <thekswenson> NTQ: I will see if there isn't a card floating around.
[13:37] <sub526> NTQ: thanks, what could be the reasons for crash?
[13:38] <NTQ> sub526: Maybe you can find something in the logs /var/log/apt/term.log or history.log
[13:39] <NTQ> But in most cases you can ignore it and just call "apt-get -f install" to repair the last failure.
[13:52] <sub526> NTQ: Thanks for this info.
[13:58] <drndoje> helloo :)
[13:58] <drndoje> Do you have some job for me?
[13:59] <visone> howdy
[14:07] <drndoje> fine
[14:08] <leftyfb> drndoje: This is an Ubuntu support channel. Feel free to go to #ubuntu-offtopic to chat.
[14:08] <drndoje> leftyfb, thank you
[14:10] <raj> thanks NTQ
[14:12] <MibixFox> I'm trying to boot from a tuxboot usb clonezilla disk
[14:12] <MibixFox> is there anyway to do that in the grub
[14:17] <visone> i´m tryng this, but doesn´t work
[14:17] <visone>  echo file-{1...54} xargs -n 54 cp horas1.ods
[14:17] <visone> where am ´i wrong?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> MibixFox, you may need to set your UEFI/BIOS to enable usb in the boot sequence
[14:53] <BluesKaj> oops, too late
[14:53] <MibixFox> heh
[14:53] <MibixFox> i think its because its a pci usb card
[14:53] <MibixFox> not seeing it
[14:55] <BluesKaj> does it show with lsusb in the console?
[14:57] <ramsub07> Hi, what is the fastest way to find the number of files in a particular directory, given that there are about more than a million images in that directory
[14:58] <ramsub07> and if I'd want to find only the .png files, how do I  go about?
[15:02] <OerHeks> find *.gz  -type f | wc -l
[15:02] <OerHeks> find *.png  -type f | wc -l
[15:05] <ramsub07> OerHeks: thanks
[15:08] <Rovanion> Does anyone happen to know how which mountpoint a VFS error in dmesg is related to? I know it's a CIFS mount, but I've got plenty of those.
[15:08] <Rovanion> I want to figure out which mountpoint, and remote machine, it is that's failing.
[15:23] <ramsub07> OerHeks: the command has been running for about ~20min, but I don't see any results, is it possible that the task got hung?
[15:24] <OerHeks> ramsub07, odd, it should immediatly give result
[15:24] <ramsub07> I know there are a lot of files there, but 20+ min for computing number of files in a directory is too high, isn't it?
[16:07] <rk3y> hi there! one question regarding ssh passwordless access. if i have two users (root and pi), but for root I want to keep password-authentication for ssh. for user pi I want to disable password authentication and only be able to access via public key. can i do this with usermod -L pi - to lock password for this user? thank you for your idea!
[16:13] <TvL2386> rk3y: check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config. At the bottom you'll see: # Example of overriding settings on a per-user basis
[16:14] <TvL2386> rk3y: you'll have to tell sshd what to do for your user... or maybe for the user group if you have more specials
[16:16] <rk3y> ok i could do this with "match user pi" and then disable password. but simply lock the password for the users, would also mean to disable password authentication, doesnt it?
[16:18] <TvL2386> rk3y: I just checked what the '-L' option does for usermod because I've never used it. I think it will indeed prevent password based authentication for this user
[16:18] <TvL2386> rk3y: so I think it should stop sshd from authenticating this user by password
[16:18] <TvL2386> rk3y: I'd say: test it :)
[16:18] <TvL2386> rk3y: change the password to 'something', login through ssh. Then -L it and try again
[16:18] <rabbitnightmare> so random question, is there a way to get vanilla Gnome?
[16:18] <rabbitnightmare> I hate all the "enhancements" bloat yall did to this
[16:19] <TvL2386> rabbitnightmare: don't blame me!
[16:19] <TvL2386> rabbitnightmare: I'm innocent
[16:19] <rabbitnightmare> lol
[16:19] <leftyfb> rabbitnightmare: https://itsfoss.com/vanilla-gnome-ubuntu/   # first result on google for "ubuntu vanilla gnome"
[16:20] <TvL2386> I'm using "mate" as my desktop
[16:20] <TvL2386> works great, looks just like gnome
[16:21] <TvL2386> ii  ubuntu-mate-desktop
[16:21] <frib> I need to install windows after ubuntu -- what will I need to do to recover grub (efi) ?
[16:21] <rabbitnightmare> not a fan of this distro, let Unity go, everyone hated it, stop trying to make millhouse a meme, stop trying to make Unity work NOBODY WANTS THIS!
[16:21] <TJ-> frib: nothing, with UEFI they can co-exist
[16:22] <TvL2386> rabbitnightmare: if you're not a fan of ubuntu, try debian or something
[16:22] <TJ-> frib: assuming Windows and GRUB are both installed in UEFI mode
[16:22] <rabbitnightmare> what made Ubuntu famous was that it took Linux and put it into a package and left Gnome default vanilla
[16:22] <frib> TJ- will windows 8 use the current EFI partition?
[16:22] <TvL2386> rabbitnightmare: or just use the non-default desktop thingy like I do for years :)
[16:23] <rabbitnightmare> TvL2386: no its annoying
[16:23] <TvL2386> rabbitnightmare: I'm a happy ubuntu user, tried unity, don't like it, stuck to gnome
[16:23] <TJ-> frib: if there is an ESP it will be used, yes. It has a unique GUID that the installers look for
[16:23] <frib> TJ- an ESP?
[16:23] <TvL2386> The MATE Desktop Environment is the continuation of GNOME 2.
[16:24] <TvL2386> ah... didn't know
[16:24] <TJ-> frib: EFI System Partition
[16:24] <rabbitnightmare> I think the developers need to learn that not everybody likes everything open source, Unity was an assault on the user
[16:24] <frib> oh yeah there is
[16:24] <TJ-> !info vanilla-gnome-desktop
[16:24] <frib> (that's what I meant by EFI partition)
[16:24] <lordcirth> rabbitnightmare, this is the Ubuntu support channel, asking for alternatives is on-topic, further discussion isn't
[16:26] <rabbitnightmare> lordcirth: and it would make less support queries if you just left things alone. the attitude around the Internet has been pretty much unanimous, make Ubuntu great again instead of trying to assault your users
[16:26] <lordcirth> Apparently I'm Ubuntu now :P
[16:26] <NorthwestVegan> rabbit, all you need to do is sudo apt install gnome-session
[16:26] <pauljw> :)
[16:26] <lordcirth> he's gone
[16:27] <NorthwestVegan> lol idk what rabbits deal was
[16:30] <`ajven> Hello, I got 4K 27inch screen and everything is extremly small, but because I cannot find working repo for deepin I want to ask there is some solution to make it looks bigger on default DE on ubuntu?  Thats how it looks - very small https://i.imgur.com/Hv5FckC.jpg
[16:32] <OerHeks> ajven try #deepin, as it is not in our repos ?
[16:33] <`ajven> OerHekks: nobody could provide me
[16:34] <OerHeks> ajven sorry to hear that, so do we.
[16:34] <OerHeks> scaling works fine on official ubuntu
[16:34] <`ajven> thats why I am asking what I can do with that
[16:34] <`ajven> but its only 100/200/300%
[16:36] <OerHeks> gnome-tweak tool can set font sizes, not sure that applies to deepin
[17:10] <GrueMaster> Hello.  There was a security update for xrdp on Jan 8 for vnc password fixes.  This is now locking out my users.  Is there a documented change I need to make to our config for users to log in again?
[17:13] <tomreyn> GrueMaster: which one do you mean? https://usn.ubuntu.com/
[17:13] <tomreyn> also xrdp and vnc should be separate protocols
[17:14] <GrueMaster> xrdp uses libvnc (see the docs).  This is on Ubuntu 16.04 server.  The diff is here:  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/405431105/xrdp_0.6.1-2_0.6.1-2ubuntu0.1.diff.gz
[17:15] <GrueMaster> I'm guessing not a lot of testing (outside of build testing) went into this update.
[17:16] <tomreyn> GrueMaster: can you file a bug on it, please? "ubuntu-bug xrdp"
[17:17] <tomreyn> (and please post the url here later)
[17:18] <GrueMaster> WIP
[17:18] <subscious> hello. My system crashed and I can't mount my second hard drive now. it is a ntfs partition I have from a previous win10 install. mount says I should run chkdisk from windows and boot to windows several times. What can I do about this? I don't have windows at hand
[17:18] <pragmaticenigma> subscious: was the system a dual boot setup?
[17:19] <tomreyn> GrueMaster: before you file this bug, pleasee see whether this is identical to bug 1811122
[17:19] <subscious> pragmaticenigma: no
[17:19] <pragmaticenigma> subscious: that's unfortunate... there are no tools that can be substituted for handling NTFS file system errors. You have to use a windows machine to do the repair
[17:20] <GrueMaster> Looks like someone beat me to it.  Will add to the bug.
[17:20] <subscious> pragmaticenigma: can I somehow get the files off the harddrive and reformat it?
[17:20] <OerHeks> subscious, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting#ntfs-3g_.28previously_also_ntfsprogs.29_-_NTFS_filesystem
[17:21] <OerHeks> ntfsfix /dev/sdXY
[17:21] <OerHeks> pragmaticenigma, there is ntfsfix though
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> subscious: You can try what OerHeks recommends, though the tools aren't without their risks and potential for data loss... If it were me, I'd start with making an image of the drive using something like Clonezilla. So you have a backup if all else fails.
[17:22] <subscious> OerHeks: thanks a lot
[17:23] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: the NTFSFIX isn't able to perform all the same functions as the native CHKDSK. Most of what it is able to do is from devs hacking anding find ways to alter the FAT structure or Meta data tracks to force the drive back to life. There are no data integrity checks
[17:25] <OerHeks> well, so be it: there is always a risc
[17:27] <tomreyn> GrueMaster: the reason there is no security advisorty about it is that xrdp is in universe, so it is not 'community supported'.
[17:27] <tomreyn> i mean it IS community supported
[17:28] <tomreyn> (but not the primary focus of the ubuntu security team)
[17:29] <GrueMaster> I never asked for a security advisory (which if you look at the changelog, it is only addressing CVE's).  What I am asking for is that before something is posted to ANY repo that changes the behavior of the program, that change is documented so users are not blindsided.
[17:30] <GrueMaster> For this change to get into universe, it had to be approved by a MOTU developer.
[17:31] <tomreyn> GrueMaster: i don't think this was meant to change behaviour, it's likely a regression
[17:32] <tomreyn> GrueMaster: i didn't mean to suggest you had asked for an advisory, i was just explaining why i initially assumed there would be one but then there wasn't.
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> GrueMaster: something I'm having trouble understanding is why connect using XRDP client to a VNC host?
[17:34] <tomreyn> GrueMaster: this already has the attention of the security team now, thanks for bringing it up.
[17:38] <GrueMaster> pragmaticenigma: Because that is how it was written.  I'm not the develoepr for xrdp (otherwise I wouldn't release a broken build).  Newer versions may no longer use VNC, but the release on Ubuntu 16.04 does.
[17:38] <GrueMaster> tomreyn: Thanks.  I'll revert our pool of servers for now as it is severely blocking work.
[17:42] <subscious> Hello. Changing to another tty (ALT+CRL+F1 for instance) freezes my system it seems to still run but no response anymore. What can I do about this?
[17:43] <subscious> I'm using xubuntu. Is this a wm issue?
[17:45] <pragmaticenigma> subscious: given that you just had a system crash, it's time to start looking through your log files to see what, if anything, if sending out warnings and errors.
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> subscious: It sounds like you have a hardware failure somewhere in your system.
[17:46] <subscious> pragmaticenigma: What am I looking for and where am I supposed to look into?
[17:46] <tomreyn> GrueMaster: you asked about the parameters. These are actually arguments passed to Xvnc4, i would think: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/Xvnc4.1.html
[17:47] <pragmaticenigma> subscious: Start with /var/log/syslog and /var/log/dmesg ... you can post them to pastebin, but make sure you scan them first for any potential private information you don't want on the internet
[17:48] <subscious> brb
[17:49] <GrueMaster> tomreyn: Yes, I know.  But I shouldn't have to deep dive into manpages to work around this issue (also, the recommended parameters in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xrdp/+bug/1811122/comments/3 don't work for me).
[17:51] <tomreyn> GrueMaster: i'm not the developer, just another volunteer here, so can't comment.
[17:51] <GrueMaster> Understood.  Just ranting.  :P
[17:51]  * tomreyn noticed so much ;-)
[17:54] <subscious> so I did some testing and changing to a different tty works if I do it before logging in. If I don't do it before logging in it freezes my screen. That's weird
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> GrueMaster: from my perspective it appears that you are using tools designed for different protocols. That being an XRDP client to connect to a VNC server. What I'm questioning is why a standard VNC viewer is not adequet for connecting to the remote VNC instance. What features of the XRDP client are being leveraged?
[17:56] <pragmaticenigma> subscious: Without you doing some investigation on your own to narrow down potential items that seem out of sorts, it's going to be very difficult to recommend or help you solve your problem
[17:57] <GrueMaster> pragmaticenigma: from my perspective, I am running a tool that is designed to use what it uses.  See http://www.xrdp.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30:xrdp-architecure-overview&catid=2:documents&Itemid=7.  I don't have time to go reengineer how to do a full remote desktop to remote systems.  I leave that to other developers and use the released tools they create.
[17:57] <philipp64> !info gcc xenial
[17:58] <philipp64> !info gcc trusty
[17:59] <GrueMaster> For non-GUI, users use ssh and it works just fine.  When they need a gui development environment to run specialized tools, XRDP is easier than X11 forwarding, especially over long distances (PDX<>BLR).
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> !msgthebot | philipp64 : please,
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> GrueMaster: completely agree with that sentiment. more for my understanding of the issue, and potential offerings of other options that could be used as a stop gap to avoid running vulnerable code
[18:03] <philipp64> pragmaticenigma: sorry, what?
[18:04] <pragmaticenigma> philipp64: I'm asking you to query the bot in a private message instead of the main channel
[18:05] <subscious> I want to boot into tty. the method changing grub didn't do it for me. It used to work but now it doesn't anyone know how to do this?
[18:06] <subscious> brb
[18:11] <subscious> So if changing to a tty freezes the screen this supposedly is a hardware error? It works at the login screen though
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> subscious: I don't know what the issue is... you're refusal to look through your log files for any hints has left me unwilling to help you further
[18:18] <subscious> pragmaticenigma: /var/log/dmesg doesn't exist. the other file is hug
[18:18] <subscious> huge
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> subscious: I said I was done, each time I attempt to help, you go off on some other tangent and disappear for an houor
[18:19] <subscious> I didn't disappear for an hout
[18:19] <subscious> hour
[18:19] <subscious> I had to check things
[18:20] <subscious> Anyways. Can anyone else help me with my issue?
[18:20] <GrueMaster> I recommend running quassel-core on a system that is stable.  That way you don't need to drop IRC connections.
[18:20] <GrueMaster> Took me 15 minutes to build one on ubuntu 18.04 server on AWS.
[18:20] <subscious> I only have this system atm
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> subscious: whats your original question?
[18:21] <subscious> lotuspsychje: If I want to change to another tty the screen freezes. It works in the login screen though
[18:21] <subscious> I'm using xubuntu
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> subscious: graphics drivers installed correctly?
[18:21] <OerHeks> oh, lots of updates, gpg ..
[18:22] <subscious> lotuspsychje: I just installed xubuntu. I'm not new to it but it seems to be alright
[18:22] <subscious> lotuspsychje: What do you suggest?
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> subscious: system up to date? wich xubuntu version? wich graphics driver version?
[18:22] <subscious> I did all updates
[18:23] <subscious> it's the current xubuntu version you download + updates. How do I querry all those things=
[18:23] <subscious> ?
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> subscious: uname -a && sudo lshw -C video
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> !paste | subscious
[18:24] <IdahoMan> ( a newbe here ) I am having a problem getting my new laptop to boot 18.04 or 18.10 ... various symptoms ... one of which is I can run it off the usb stick generated by rufus but when booting off ssd it goes blank after passw is entered ... What logs do I need to look at?
[18:25] <subscious> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yvF3yKZVXg/
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> subscious: ah, its reccomended you install the nvidia driver
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> subscious: ubuntu-drivers list to see whats available for your system
[18:26] <subscious> lotuspsychje: how do I do this?
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> subscious: open a terminal: ubuntu-drivers list
[18:27] <subscious> it shows a nvidia name? what do I do with it?
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> subscious: sudo apt install nvidia-yourversionhere
[18:28] <subscious> that could fix my problem?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> subscious: we have to test that first
[18:28] <subscious> lots of killing my machine then? :(
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> subscious: sorry?
[18:29] <subscious> I remember there were some tricks to shut down the wm and stuff with the keyboard? should I not try to do this and recover my session?
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> subscious: its your machine, you can do what you like/want
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> subscious: i can only share my opinion
[18:30] <subscious> I appreciate that ofc lotuspsychje
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> subscious: with your nvidia card, i would first install the nvidia driver
[18:32] <subscious> okay. need to reboot
[18:32] <subscious> bbl
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> good luck
[18:35] <IdahoMan> What log do I need to look at to figure out what broke during boot?
[18:36] <OerHeks> journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot,  journalctl -b -1 from the previous boot
[18:36] <IdahoMan> tks
[18:38] <subscious> yay. it works now :) thanks a lot
[18:38] <TheSilentLink> what program can be used to burn mp4 to dvds?
[18:39] <IdahoMan> what path does the file live on as I will be looking from a USB boot ...
[18:41] <OerHeks> TheSilentLink, brasero, k3b, simpleburn, tons of media burn software
[18:42] <OerHeks> IdahoMan, no, journalctl is a tool for the installed system
[18:42] <OerHeks> you could look into /var/log/ folder, grep FAILED /var/log/boot.log : more
[18:43] <TheSilentLink> OerHeks: do they need to be converted?
[18:44] <OerHeks> TheSilentLink, not that i know of, just choose data
[18:46] <coconut> subscious: lotuspsychje logout out. But good to here it got fixed.
[18:47] <IdahoMan> OerHeks: tks ... i will boot off the usb and take a look in /var/log/boot.log
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> TheSilentLink: If you are looking to put MP4 on a DVD to play them back on a DVD player, they would need to be converted and burned using a DVD authoring program. If you are just interested in burning the data to the disk for archive, you can use any regular disk burning program.
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> TheSilentLink: DVD Authoring is beyond the scope of this channel, you will find lots of articles on the web on how to make a DVD with your videos
[18:59] <OerHeks> converting mp4 for dvd player itself, that i missed
[18:59] <OerHeks> for pc, basicly you do not need to make alterations, just data-dvd
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: I don't know if they're were interested in making DVD player disks... it was out of the "need to be converted" comment that I assumed that might be their end goal
[19:01] <OerHeks> that would be true, if the player does not support mp4, or an ugly type of mp4
[19:14] <IniGit> hi
[19:14] <IniGit> I ask here, because the #gpg channel is pretty empty:
[19:15] <IniGit> When I encrypt something with gpg and send it to Bob, Bob tries to decrypt it with a public key. WIll Bob get some confirmation that this was the correct public key or is there only an implicit conformation in the sense that the decrypted text makes sense to Bob?
[19:15] <IniGit> *confirmation
[19:15] <OerHeks> no error = decrypted
[19:16] <IniGit> OerHeks: how can there be an error?
[19:16] <IniGit> OerHeks: will it not just return gibberish in case the public key is wrong?
[19:16] <pjs> IniGit: Bob should be using the PRIVATE key, that is paired to the PUBLIC key you used to encrypt it with, to decrypt it
[19:17] <OerHeks> answer that yourself? wrong key ..
[19:18] <IniGit> oh yes private key sry
[19:19] <IniGit> But since the private key is not stored in the message how can you get an error when you use the wrong private key to decrypt
[19:19] <IniGit> will it not just return gibberish and no error?
[19:19] <IniGit> Or is there some king of math magic that finds that out and returns an error?
[19:20] <IniGit> or a confirmation that is was the correct one
[19:21] <OerHeks> no error = decrypted
[19:21] <OerHeks> simple.
[19:21] <lordcirth> OerHeks, you aren't answering his question at all
[19:21] <tomreyn> IniGit: yes, gpg can tell when it successfully decrypted the message.
[19:21] <OerHeks> and i am sure you do not send the private key with the message
[19:21] <tomreyn> IniGit: at the same time this means it can tell when it didnt
[19:22] <IniGit> tomreyn: ok so math magic :)
[19:22] <tomreyn> IniGit: it's called MAC, yes
[19:22] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_authentication_code
[19:22] <IniGit> it can infer from the encrypted message where this is the matching private key
[19:23] <TJ-> IniGit: the 'packets' in the GPG format include one that contains the keyid that was used
[19:25] <treepalm> Hi all, quick question: is there a way to remove the shadow in the Activities Overview in Gnome3 ?
[19:25] <IniGit> tomreyn: isn't that about signatures not encryption
[19:25] <tomreyn> may, or may not, you can encrypt messages to someone elses public key without disclosing which keys it was encrypted to (until the message is decrypted)
[19:26] <tomreyn> IniGit: MACs are used both for certifying data integrity, which GPG always does, and for certifying authenticity, which only takes place if the 'sender' (encrypting party)  decide to sign the message.
[19:27] <IniGit> thank you all
[19:27] <tomreyn> IniGit: but those questions are better discussed in #gnupg (which can be vivid once you asked a question)
[19:28] <IniGit> tomreyn: :D
[19:30] <IniGit> tomreyn: I will ask it in a few hours there. I want to watch that dedicate then :), because I got to go now
[19:30] <IniGit> *dedicatedly
[19:31] <tomreyn> it's fine ;-) this was just a dsuggestion for next time.
[19:38] <adder> I'm connected to TV via HDMI, after the TV turns off due to the inactivity, I'm unable to switch workspaces (as if all programs disappeared), also xfce panel and xmobar disappeared. Anyone has an idea what might be going on?
[19:40] <philipp64> what kind of mouse and keyboard do you have? they might not be able to wakeup the CPU from sleep mode…
[19:41] <Wulframn> Is GCC no longer included on ubuntu 18.04?
[19:41] <OerHeks> !info gcc bionic
[19:41] <adder> I have an external $20 keyboard and some wireless mouse. The laptop is woken up I think, it's the TV that I have to turn on via the remote controller
[19:42] <Wulframn> OerHeks: Thanks
[19:42] <OerHeks> Wulframn, optional, not included
[19:42] <adder> also I think I've set the laptop to never go to sleep
[19:42] <OerHeks> i would like to see a 25+ iso set with all software
[19:43] <adder> http://i.imgur.com/YVhIr5G.png
[19:43] <isene> Anyone here who can help me with some libinput (touchpad) questions?
[19:44] <repz> isene, don´t ask to ask ..
[19:44] <philipp64> adder: if the TV is HDMI, it should be CEC-link where the source sends an "ON" command to the TV.  if not, you'll have to disable auto-shut off.
[19:44] <repz> anyone got an idea as why my x1c6 don´t want to enter the suspend mode, it just blink once and go back to screensaver (ubuntu 18.04.1, cinnamon)
[19:45] <adder> philipp64: disable auto shut off on the TV?
[19:45] <philipp64> yes
[19:45] <adder> not quite the solution I was looking for but I'll try that
[19:46] <isene> I want to tune libinput so that it has a higher tolerance for small movements while tapping (so that it doesn't miss so many taps a clicks) How do I do that?
[19:47] <philipp64> typically detecting a SYNC signal on the source should be enough to wake up your TV… but maybe your TV doesn't. that might just apply to monitors.
[19:48] <adder> philipp64: I have HDMI CEC -> CEC Control, Audio Receiver, Device Auto Power Off, TV Auto Power On, Device List, Device Menu. I reckon you suggest to turn the first on?
[19:48] <adder> excuse my noobness btw.
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> adder: can you post a screen shot of that?
[19:51] <adder> hmm, that's the only place where I can see "power off" or something similar. I turned CEC control on, and the Device Auto Power off is disabled
[19:51] <adder> pragmaticenigma: unfortunately no
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> adder: Did you just enable it, or was CEC always enabled?
[19:52] <philipp64> adder: TV Auto Power on should be adequate, but I'd enable CEC also just in case.
[19:52] <adder> pragmaticenigma: it was disabled, I enabled it
[19:52] <adder> philipp64: what's adequate for that setting? on?
[19:53] <philipp64> is "Audio Receiver" part of a multi-choice? can you explain this a little better?
[19:53] <philipp64> on should be enough… but I can't tell if your TV thinks it's talking to an audio receiver or something else…
[19:54] <adder> well, I press "Menu" on the remote controller, go to "Setup", then go to HDMI CEC where I see those 6 options
[19:54] <shibboleth> any word as to a patched systemd?
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> adder: What I'm trying to establish was did you turn it on and start experiencing this problem?
[19:55] <pragmaticenigma> shibboleth: This is not the correct channel for those questions. This channel is run by volunteers, we do not have knowledge of the decsions and release sechedules
[19:55] <adder> pragmaticenigma: no, the problem occurred before messing with TV settings. I'm trying to fix that up now. As I mentioned, it seems that all my programs close, xfce panel and xmobar disappear as well.
[19:55] <SeTunTun> hello, i installed xubuntu 18.04 and the Fn button and volume buttons don't seem to work.
[19:55] <SeTunTun> I am making a shortcut but the system doesn't recognise the Fn key + volume keys (so i am not able to include them in the shortcut)
[19:56] <SeTunTun> I would apreciate your help :(
[19:56] <adder> I'll be back in a minute
[19:58] <ioria> SeTunTun, already tried  acpi_osi=   as kernel parameter  ?
[19:59] <SeTunTun> mmm no. Should i change it in grub?
[19:59] <ioria> yes
[20:00] <adder> I'll try to idle now for some time to see if this fixes it
[20:00] <philipp64> adder: a screenshot might be more instructive…
[20:01] <adder> philipp64: sorry, a screenshot of what? I can't take screenshots of what my TV displays :|
[20:01] <SeTunTun> rebooting, one moment
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> adder: what I think is happening is Ubuntu is sensing the extra monitor turning on and off. With CEC off, Ubuntu assumes the monitor was unplugged and is probably trying to go back to a single monitor and is failing to rescaling and window reorganization. With CEC on, when the TV turns off, the machine might be trying to power off with the display powering down.
[20:03] <adder> pragmaticenigma: I apologise I mostly understood what you said, except the last "the machine might be trying to power off with the display powering down." part
[20:03] <adder> pragmaticenigma: in a nutshell, are you suggesting CEC to be on?
[20:04] <adder> that is, having CEC on would hypothetically fix the issue
[20:04] <adder> s/would/should/
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> adder: CEC might fix the issue. I'm not 100% certain on it. This is kind of going to be a trial and error situation
[20:06] <adder> yeah I see. I'll try to let it do its thing now and see if the issue is fixed. Thanks in any case
[20:11] <SeTunTun> thankyou ioria
[20:11] <ioria> ok
[20:11] <SeTunTun> it worked! Now the ony problem is alsamixer that mutes everytime i reboot and i must unmute it manually :(
[20:16] <IdahoMan>  /msg NickServ REGISTER Cambridge tom.hunter.jr@gmail.com
[20:17] <geirha> Better pick a better password now
[20:26] <ioria> SeTunTun, reboot and try this from terminal:     amixer set 'Master' 100  ; if it works you put put itin Startup App
[20:33] <energizer> `systemctl suspend` prompts me for password, which is annoying. Can I have it just work without prompting?
[20:36] <SeTunTun> ioria, surprisingly, it seems that the problem is the headphones level in alsamixer
[20:37] <ioria> SeTunTun, i see
[20:38] <tomreyn> energizer: what's the output of "groups"?
[20:39] <energizer> tomreyn: it includes sudo
[20:40] <adder> pragmaticenigma, philipp64: I don't want to jump the gun but it seems that the issue is fixed, at least for now.
[20:40] <energizer> looks like i can put this into sudoers and it works `user hostname =NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/systemctl poweroff,/usr/bin/systemctl halt,/usr/bin/systemctl reboot`
[20:40] <tomreyn> energizer: does it include adm ?
[20:40] <adder> the TV turned off, but after turning it on again everything was here.
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> IdahoMan: You are going to want to change your password now... that just went into main channel
[20:40] <adder> s/here/there/
[20:41] <pragmaticenigma> adder: Sounds like as long as there is some sort of signal on the HDMI channel, Ubuntu is assuming a live display is there and doesn't change its settings
[20:43] <energizer> tomreyn: yes
[20:45] <tomreyn> energizer: i guess it's actually 'disk' which may be needed to do it without sudo, but thios is basically root, so don't do it. your solution is better.
[20:47] <energizer> tomreyn: ok thanks
[20:47] <SeTunTun> ioria, i change the headphones volume to 100 and save (sudo alsactl store) but as soon as i reboot the headphones are at 0 again
[20:48] <pikia> Whats does the command "l" do?
[20:48] <pikia> it lists the directory with a / at the end
[20:48] <pikia> not sure what it is. There are no man pages for l either
[20:48] <pikia> l
[20:49] <hggdh> pikia: because -- most probably -- 'l' is an alias set in ~/.bashrc
[20:49] <pikia> AHhh yeah that makes sense
[20:49] <pikia> Yeah, its in there
[20:50] <ioria> SeTunTun, this works ? amixer set Headphone 100%
[20:52] <SeTunTun> ioria it works, how could i save this setting forever and ever until the end of time and universe?
[20:53] <ioria> SeTunTun, press the Win key ; type Startup ; then click Add and in the 'Command' fiels, type      amixer set Headphone 100% ; or make a script and call it from there
[20:55] <ioria> *field
[21:00] <SeTunTun> it doesn't work...
[21:26] <frib> if umount hangs after writing a lot of data is it because the disk is still being written to and is there any way I can check ??
[21:38] <CoolerZ> hey in nautilus (the file explorer) if you select 2 or more files and try to rename them a renamer appears
[21:39] <CoolerZ> how do you append a counter to the filename? so you can have files named  image1.jpg, image2.jpg, image3.jpg, etc ?
[21:42] <EriC^^> CoolerZ: maybe use something like this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/301781/how-to-rename-multiple-files-sequentially-from-command-line
[21:45] <trafaret1> hi there
[21:45] <trafaret1> I need help
[21:45] <trafaret1> How can I install TeXmacs in ubuntu?
[21:45] <EriC^^> !info texmacs
[21:46] <EriC^^> trafaret1: try "apt-cache search texmacs"
[21:46] <EriC^^> what's texmacs a program? or some plugin etc?
[21:47] <lordcirth> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=texmacs I only see it in trusty
[21:48] <trafaret1> EriC^^: I try this one "apt-cache search texmacs" I get "texmacs - WYSIWYG mathematical text editor usign TeX fonts"
[21:48] <EriC^^> trafaret1: great, type "sudo apt-get install texmacs"
[21:49] <trafaret1> EriC^^: I have some dependenies
[21:49] <trafaret1> guile-1.8-dev cannot be installed
[21:49] <trafaret1> why I dunno
[21:49] <EriC^^> trafaret1: which ubuntu are you using?
[21:49] <trafaret1> 18.04
[21:49] <lordcirth> trafaret1, the site also has their own debs: http://www.texmacs.org/tmweb/download/linux-packages.en.html#ubuntu
[21:50] <EriC^^> !info texmacs bionic
[21:50] <lordcirth> However, the site doesn't even have SSL, so I wouldn't...
[21:50] <trafaret1> what is bionic?
[21:51] <lordcirth> trafaret1, bionic is 18.04
[21:51] <EriC^^> trafaret1: try downloading the guile-1.8-dev from some reputable source
[21:51] <trafaret1> why they don't add texmacs in reps for 18.04
[21:51] <lordcirth> trafaret1, is your system up to date? sometimes apt errors are due to trying to install new software when you are behind
[21:52] <lordcirth> And if it's not in the repo, why are you getting dependency errors instead of package not found?
[21:53] <TJ-> trafaret1: "apt-cache policy texmacs" will indicate where the package came from
[21:54] <trafaret1> how can I update ubunto to last version
[21:54] <trafaret1> fyi I have 32 bit proccesor
[21:56] <blanko> hello
[21:56] <blanko> i have problem with upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.1
[21:56] <blanko> system try icon missing
[21:56] <blanko> not show
[21:57] <lordcirth> blanko, all of them, or only some?
[21:58] <blanko> all
[22:01] <blanko> anyone fix this problem ?
[22:01] <blanko> after upgrade
[22:03] <jvasallo> Hey all, I am running through some patch cycles and I have been getting this infrequently: `Failed to fetch http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/source/Sources.xz  File has unexpected size (228216 != 228224). Mirror sync in progress?`
[22:03] <jvasallo> Wondering if there is anything I can do, or do I need to wait for mirrors?
[22:15] <hggdh> jvasallo: just wait a bit
[22:17] <jvasallo> hggdh: Got it. Just re-ran and looking good now. Thanks! :)
[22:29] <marcanuy> hello, after upgrading to 18.10 my system becomes unstable when it starts using swap memory, it starts becoming slower until no response at all, any advice to debug this?
[22:30] <blanko> anyone
[22:30] <blanko> i upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.1
[22:31] <blanko> and not have system try icons
[22:31] <blanko> skype, franz classic-menu-indicator and more
[22:44] <nicomachus> blanko: when you went from 16.04 to 18.04 your DE was probably switched to Gnome. You can download a gnome extension to get those indicator icons.
[22:45] <nicomachus> blanko: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/615/appindicator-support/
[22:46] <qwebirc72474> hey all
[22:46] <qwebirc72474> I'm trying to clone a 2TB Ubuntu 16.04 partition on a 4TB HDD (Windows 10 partition on the other 2TB) to a 2TB SSD (GPT partition)
[22:46] <qwebirc72474> can't find a straight forward way to do so
[22:46] <qwebirc72474> clone GPT partition to same sized SSD
[22:46] <qwebirc72474> any help is appreciated
[22:48] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: does the target SSD already have a partition table with a single maximum-sized partition configured?
[22:49] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: secondly, is that partition greater-than-or-equal-to the size of the source partition?
[22:50] <qwebirc72474> target SSD is same size as partition
[22:50] <qwebirc72474> it's brand new, out of box, nothing configured
[22:52] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: I'm asking very specific questions since the *partition* on the target needs to be at least as big as the source partition. If the target SSD is the same size, then the target partition will be smaller
[22:53] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: the partitioning scheme (GPT) uses some space, so the target partition will be smaller than the SSD
[22:53] <IdahoMan> in #ubuntu
[22:54] <qwebirc72474> so perhaps I can shrink the volume in source? since it's barely using 1% of the partition anyway
[22:58] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: yes, you can resize the file-system in the source partition, which is a very effective way of doing it
[22:59] <blanko> nicomachus: Thank you
[22:59] <blanko> Fixed
[22:59] <qwebirc72474> that's good, so after resizing, how do I go about cloning the partition to the SSD?
[23:00] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: you can likely use "fsadm resize /dev/sdX <size>" - see "man fsadm" for size value format
[23:01] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: is the source file-system currently mounted? IF it is you can check how small it can be made with "df -h /path/to/mountpoint"
[23:04] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: if for example it is using 24G, you could resize the file-system to, say, 30G with fsadm, then transfer, say, 32GB (to be sure) from source partition to target partition, then resize the file-system to use all of the target partition with fsadm
[23:08] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: if, for example, you can reduce the source file-system to less than 32GiB, then you could do something like this, which moves 32GiB in 512MiB chunks from sdA1 to sdB1 :  SIZE=$((32 * 1024 * 1048576)); BS=$((512 * 1048576)); echo dd if=/dev/sdA1 of=/dev/sdB1 bs=$BS count=$((SIZE/BS))
[23:09] <lsof> Hello. I am trying to bridge/route a USB LTE modem to a router via Ethernet port on my laptop. Kind of like this: USB Modem <-> Laptop <-> Ethernet port <-> xDSL router
[23:10] <lsof> Since the USB modem uses PPP, which is different layer than ETH, it's not very straightforward.
[23:10] <TJ-> lsof: presumably there's a pppX network interface created ?
[23:11] <lsof> TJ-: that is correct, ppp0
[23:11] <qwebirc72474> it says used 15G
[23:11] <lsof> Now I'd like to avoid setting up a DNS/DHCP server. The laptop also shouldn't be able to access the connection - think of it as a passthrough.
[23:12] <qwebirc72474> should the fsadm size argument be in bytes or should I just type 20G
[23:15] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: see "man fsadm" and the 'newsize' explanation
[23:16] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: looks like a 'G' suffix means GiB which is what you want - matches what the command/calculation above works with
[23:16] <qwebirc72474> awesome, so I'll do a fsadm resize /dev/sda4 25G just to be sure
[23:17] <TJ-> lsof: so have you added the ppp0 and en<whatever> as slaves to a new bridge ?
[23:18] <lsof> TJ-: I cannot add ppp0 to a bridge.
[23:18] <TJ-> lsof: oh, it's a tun not a tap (IP route, not Ethernet layer 2) - I'm used to working with PPPoE
[23:19] <johnnyfive> Hello all, did the packaging format for .deb's change between xenial and bionic?
[23:20] <tomreyn> johnnyfive: i dont think so, why are you asking?
[23:20] <johnnyfive> I have been using a library that implements the AR archive functionality, and it consumes xenial debs just fine. However it chokes on bionic debs.
[23:20] <johnnyfive> Namely, https://github.com/blakesmith/ar
[23:20] <IdahoMan> opps
[23:21] <IdahoMan> Is this a good place to talk about 18.04 or 18.10 boot problems?
[23:22] <tomreyn> johnnyfive: hmm i'm not sure then. but this looks like dead software.
[23:22] <johnnyfive> Well it's not *dead* in the case that it works for xenial. I wouldn't mind updating the software, but first trying to do some recon
[23:23] <TJ-> johnnyfive: I seem to recall an newer compression algorithm was added
[23:23] <johnnyfive> I mean if you're using "last updated" time to determine that it's "dead", then AR is "dead" as well.
[23:24] <johnnyfive> TJ-, interesting, ok thanks. That's at least a sanity check. I'll try to track that down.
[23:24] <tomreyn> IdahoMan: if you mean talk in the sense of looking for or providing support, then yes
[23:26] <agio> hi all, does anyone know how to confirm whether thunderbird is actually fetching emails? I can't tell whether thunderbird is actually polling the IMAP server for new emails...
[23:26] <johnnyfive> TJ-, does this look familiar? https://github.com/facebook/zstd
[23:26] <qwebirc72474> @qwebirc72474 partition is now reduced to 25G
[23:27] <qwebirc72474> what can I do to clone it now?
[23:28] <tomreyn> agio: send yourself mail, see if it arrives? alternatively you could have the imap worker write a log.
[23:28] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: something like this (set the device names correctly):  SIZE=$((25 * 1024 * 1048576)); BS=$((512 * 1048576)); echo dd if=/dev/sdA1 of=/dev/sdB1 bs=$BS count=$((SIZE/BS))
[23:28] <tomreyn> agio: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging#Linux.2Funix
[23:28] <TJ-> johnnyfive: * Add Zstandard compression and decompression support for binary packages
[23:29] <TJ->     (LP: #1764220)
[23:29] <qwebirc72474> do I also add in the swap partition or can I leave that out?
[23:29] <johnnyfive> TJ-, thanks!
[23:29] <TJ-> johnnyfive: see "apt-get changelog dpkg"   dpkg (1.19.0.5ubuntu2) bionic; urgency=medium
[23:29] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: leave it out
[23:30] <agio> tomreyn: the logging looks like a nice solution, I'll give that a try , thanks!
[23:30] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: note you'll need to remove the "echo" there - I put it in to stop you doing something dangerous
[23:31] <qwebirc72474> good call
[23:31] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: after the 'dd' finishes do "sync" to ensure data is flushed to the device
[23:33] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: and be aware, if you are going to leave both file-systems in the same PC, you'll need to change the file-system UUID (Universally Unique IDentifier) for one of them, to avoid problems due to the OS confusing which device to use
[23:34] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: changing the UUID depends on which file-system it is. For ext2/3/4 you can use 'tune2fs'
[23:34] <johnnyfive> TJ-, awesome. Learn something new every day.
[23:35] <qwebirc72474> I'll be taking the HDD out and using the SSD with ubuntu only
[23:35] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: and for ext2/3/4 you'd use "tune2fs -U random /dev/sdA1" (to alter the original, on the assumption you want the new image to be the one in use)
[23:36] <qwebirc72474> the tune2fs is assuming both disks are installed, right?
[23:36] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: AND (!) if you change the UUID you'll also need to update any files that reference it for mounting, such as /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab
[23:37] <TJ-> qwebirc72474: yes, but as these are supposed to be *unique* it makes sense to do it anyhow - it's good practice
[23:37] <qwebirc72474> gotcha
[23:38] <qwebirc72474> thanks TJ, trying it now
[23:38] <blanko> my problem is not fix fully
[23:39] <blanko> after restart again not load try icons
[23:39] <blanko> and after open new app not show in try icons
[23:48] <raj> why is installing specific releases of python so convoluted, for example if I want version 2.7.14?
[23:48] <raj> I would have to do all this https://tecadmin.net/install-python-2-7-on-ubuntu-and-linuxmint/
[23:48] <johnnyfive> @raj, https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv ?
[23:49] <johnnyfive> I have not used it, but I don't install specific versions of *any* language without using a version manager of some sort
[23:50] <raj> I'm using docker so it's complicating things
[23:51] <dgregory> .
[23:55] <R3dC4p> In Kubuntu 18.04, attempting to lauch a Plasma session with Wayland, I get the splash screen, and the session crashes back to SDDM. Graphics drivers in used are i915 (HD Graphics 520) and amdgpu (Opal XT, AKA AMD m265)
[23:55] <R3dC4p> Any ideas?