[03:04] <OvenWerks> Jessedavid4: if a USB audio device works in a mac with no driver it should also just work in Linux.
[03:11] <OvenWerks> Jessedavid4: The manual for the xonar under system requirements says: "Microsoft
[03:12] <OvenWerks> ® Windows
[03:12] <OvenWerks> ® 10 / 8.1 / 8 / 7 / Vista / XP(32/64bit) / MCE2005"
[03:12] <OvenWerks> I would guess that is the same as saying it is not USB 1.1 or USB 2.0 standard and does not work with macos or Linux.
[03:17] <OvenWerks> Jessedavid4: Almost all audio interfaces designed for Audio production (recording, synth, etc) in a profesional or semi-profesional manner, are first designed to work with Mac computers which require them to be USB 2.0 compatable as the Mac does not allow the instalation of drivers.
[03:17] <OvenWerks> Jessedavid4: in general, windows drivers are added later.
[03:23] <OvenWerks> Jessedavid4: The ALSA team has done it's work on two kinds of devices in the last while: Intel HDA internal and USB 2.0 compatable devices. They have in the past worked on the PCI and older cards and there are some manufactures (like audioscience) who provide audio drivers or APIs)
[03:25] <OvenWerks> I would note that most Internal audio has better specs than the xonar (my 199* audiopci at least matches it). However, I guess there are some laptops that would benefit.
[03:28] <OvenWerks> Anyway, in Linux land, it generally either works or does not. plug it in and do aplay -l or arecord -l if it shows up in the list then it works. otherwise you need to make your own kernel module to use it or bug the manufacture to do so (if they don't do mac... good luck with Linux)
[03:31] <OvenWerks> Studio was created for the creator rather than the consumer and as such caters to the content developer with the kinds of tools a developer would use. The xonar does not really fill this niche.
[03:33] <OvenWerks> here is an inexpensive example of the kind of audio interfaces normally used in audio production: https://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-VSL-Interfaces
[03:38] <OvenWerks> A profesional studio would use something that starts somewhat higher. A good mic pre is in the range of $1k with no digital interface just mic in to line level out. Obviously the 1818VSL has inexpensive mic preamps, but they are not too bad from what I hear.
[03:41] <OvenWerks> Personally, I have an out of date, m-audio delta 66 that I use with a mackie cr1604 (also old). The mackie provides the mic preamps and the delta is line in and out only. I can't afford to upgrade at this time so I made sure the last mother board I bought (i5 based) had some old PCI slots. I would like to get audioscience card but the one card would cost twice what my last computer cost.
[04:02] <Jessedavid4> Okay so. For me. Clear audio is kind of something I want when I hook up my sound system. I have only been using a 40mm plug in play headset in the mean time. I did a little looking around. And it seems that you can get an Asus Xonar DX to work on linux. And even though the support doesn't say it on the box, it still works and ASLA or the kernel detects that sound card right away.
[04:03] <OvenWerks> That would be good then.
[04:04] <Jessedavid4> If you activate ASLA output when hooked up to your Asus Xonar DX, it actually will get the true sound from the sound card. Of course you can do a bit of tweaking. But supposedly the numbers are still a nice boost above most modern motherboards with ALC1150.
[04:04] <Jessedavid4> Audio recording for me isn't a big thing. But see I play the guitar and mandolin and I want to record some of my folk music (work in progress) and I'd like to edit it on here if I could without buying mac or really even wanting to go thru windows.
[04:05] <OvenWerks> most MB are 20 bit output not 16... though really 20 or 24 bit audio is much more useful for inputs than outputs
[04:06] <Jessedavid4> Yeah, most definitely. My friend and I have actually been getting into Beatboxing and looping. (its a long ways from folk, but with world beatbox it's been interesting) anyways with recording regarding loop stations, this is definitely something that I feel would be good to use and try.
[04:07] <Jessedavid4> Not ideally an asus xonar dc. I'm thinking of buying some expensive equipment regarding doing this. But I suppose i'll do a bit more research on it before I make any decisions.
[04:08] <Jessedavid4> Asus xonar DX*, sorry.
[04:09] <Jessedavid4> Not that buying a mac would be too much different in regards to native audio support for literally everything related to audio. But as a linux user, I really want to try and take command of recording via linux.
[04:17] <OvenWerks> Any audio device that works with  a mac should also just work with Linux
[04:18] <Jessedavid4> For sure.
[04:20] <Jessedavid4> Mind if I ask. Planning on adding any more major features to Ubuntu Studio 19.04?
[04:21] <OvenWerks> I think it is mostly updates. There are just not enough people
[04:22] <Jessedavid4> Enough people.. regarding what?
[04:23] <OvenWerks> Studio is run by volunteers there are not really enough to move ahead in bigger leaps.
[04:24] <Jessedavid4> May I ask. Do you guys have like a. Umm. A sheet of features you'd like to add? Or a list or something?
[04:25] <OvenWerks> here is some of it... https://ubuntustudio.org/contribute/
[04:25] <OvenWerks> I thought we had a page of goals too.
[04:26] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^^
[04:28] <OvenWerks> I think Eickmeyer has been working on -Installer which allows installing Studio to an already installed ubuntu flavour.
[04:29] <Jessedavid4> Yeah, he mentioned that earlier today.
[04:29] <OvenWerks> I had been working on -controls so that more than one audio device can be used in jack at a time
[04:29] <OvenWerks> I would like to expand on that. I particular I would like to add drawing tablet setup to it.
[04:30] <Jessedavid4> A walcom tablet?
[04:30] <OvenWerks> yes
[04:30] <Jessedavid4> Yes!!
[04:30] <Jessedavid4> I was going to ask about the graphic design part of ubuntu studio
[04:30] <OvenWerks> I don't have one to work with, but my son has a huion (I think that is how it is spelled)
[04:30] <Jessedavid4> Yeah I know what you're talking about I believe
[04:30] <OvenWerks> It requires extra kernel modules
[04:31] <Jessedavid4> May I say something first?
[04:31] <OvenWerks> yes
[04:32] <Jessedavid4> I have about 3 friends who use windows currently and do a lot of designs via a walcom tablet of some sort. One reason why I wanted to get into Ubuntu studio, was because I noticed you guys try to expand on literally everything in terms of Media production
[04:32] <Jessedavid4> So: Audio, Video, Graphics
[04:33] <Jessedavid4> Anyways, I was actually hoping to give some friends and idea of trying something via linux. But I knew that they used walcom tablets and was curious about the support for it.
[04:33] <Jessedavid4> I've got quite a few friends who dab in either video, audio or graphics. Actually most of them in graphics design.
[04:33] <OvenWerks> There is already xsetwatcom in there, but it is commandline
[04:34] <OvenWerks> I was hoping to expose that in a GUI in -controls
[04:34] <Jessedavid4> I keep saying walcom
[04:34] <Jessedavid4> But I actually think its wacom lol
[04:34] <OvenWerks> your right
[04:34] <Jessedavid4> One thing
[04:34] <OvenWerks> don't know where I got the extra t from
[04:35] <Jessedavid4> One reason why I personally want to use linux for my graphic design/ 3d modeling. Was the fantastic support that the linux kernel has for AMD's Threadrippers and use of many cores and threads.
[04:35] <OvenWerks> My biggest problem (aside from not having my own tablet to play with) is that I am an audio person rather than a graphics person.
[04:36] <Jessedavid4> Right. But lets be honest here
[04:36] <Jessedavid4> When you guys "sell" Ubuntu studio. You sell it for Graphics AND Audio and video production
[04:36] <Jessedavid4> So when I looked at Ubuntu studio
[04:36] <Jessedavid4> My first thought was the chance to kind of freely work on everything on one desktop
[04:37] <Jessedavid4> I mean everything is open source... but you know. Pre installed saves time lol
[04:37] <OvenWerks> Yes and there have been a lot more people who are graphic artists in the past while... I am the odd one out :)
[04:37] <Jessedavid4> Mind if I make a suggestion?
[04:37] <OvenWerks> just go ahead.
[04:37] <OvenWerks>  you don't need permission
[04:38] <OvenWerks> In the end, lack of people is the bottle neck
[04:38] <Jessedavid4> Ubuntu studio is about the all arounder. But specifically the biggest difference between Studio and other Ubuntus or Linux OS, if your Studio controls and Hot plug and play, right?
[04:39] <OvenWerks> Ya, kxstudio goes part way with cadence
[04:39] <Jessedavid4> As a suggestion. I really think you guys should make an Ubuntu Studio master Control or something. With a GUI. But something that All-In-One's every part of the media design.
[04:39] <Jessedavid4> Regarding Video? Well I have no idea. Because I actually have no idea how video production works and it's probably my worst knowledge in the design category in Media.
[04:40] <OvenWerks> That does auto start (which we do too) but we also allow jack to use USB mics by just pluggin them in
[04:40] <OvenWerks> The plan is to add complete setup from a production view point
[04:41] <Jessedavid4> Mind if I say what my big thing is on using a Linux based OS?
[04:41] <OvenWerks> wacom setup is the next on the list. I am also working on Ardour (monitoring right now, but normally remote control)
[04:42] <Jessedavid4> Well two things, but one is smaller... The small thing is Customization. The other big thing for me is Accessibility. Being able to access certain low end commands that can be done thru a GUI and doesn't require time to do.
[04:43] <Jessedavid4> The idea of Ubuntu studio becoming a meta package is actually super cool! But  having your own OS or ISO is actually nicer because you can control just more than packages.
[04:43] <OvenWerks> in sw development, doing the functonality is generally quicker the GUI yakes 10 times as long... at least
[04:44] <OvenWerks> At this time we will continue to use xfce as the ISO DE and continue to create and test that ISO.
[04:44] <Jessedavid4> Oh I know. I tried to create a gui for amdgpu-pro-fans.sh from github, but when I realized I didn't want to put in all the effort that was a bust for me
[04:45] <Jessedavid4> I like xfce a whole lot.
[04:45] <Jessedavid4> Can I tell you something about what xfce does better than pretty much everything else on Ubuntu?
[04:45] <OvenWerks> Studio is basically Studio on top of xubuntu with a few tweaks.
[04:45] <Jessedavid4> well I guess not just ubuntu
[04:46] <Jessedavid4> When I hooked up my 144hz monitor to Studio and my Nvidia gpu... I was actually able to move my windows at 144hz and not 60hz like in Gnome or Cinnamon
[04:47] <Jessedavid4> And thats xfce I think, or I am assuming lol
[04:47] <Jessedavid4> I really want to grab a 240hz monitor and put it next to a 60hz monitor to see the big difference!
[04:48] <Jessedavid4> So I hope you guys keep xfce as the iso :)
[04:49] <Jessedavid4> Anyways. I'm going to let you know that I am going to continue to use you guys for a while. And try to get a lot of my friends to use it. Hopefully I can convince some of them to contribute! Because so far I really like the idea and everything of it!
[04:54] <Eickmeyer> Jessedavid4, OvenWerks: Just caught-up on the log (been gone a good chunk of the afternoon/evening, if not all of it).
[04:54] <Eickmeyer> Jessedavid4: Yep, the Xfce-based ISO isn't going anywhere. That's our default.
[15:27] <studio-user460> like
[15:27] <studio-user460> help