[00:00] <Nexilva> so if I do cabal install xmoand, and get xmonad from haskell, 0.15 for ubuntu 18.04, then I need to remove the distro packages?
[00:01] <OerHeks> !info xmonad bionic
[00:02] <OerHeks> you would get 0.13
[00:02] <Nexilva> Huh?
[00:02] <OerHeks> that is the package we support
[00:03] <amcclure> hello
[00:04] <OerHeks> :-)
[00:17] <ikatamoonshots> hello ubuntu
[00:17] <ikatamoonshots> iam trying to automount a 18.04 default install with luks cryptsetup using a usb key - i already got this working but somehow i lost my script, now working of a backup but i cant get it to work - stackexchange doesent has an answer too yet
[00:17] <ikatamoonshots> here is my post there https://askubuntu.com/questions/1108777/18-04-cryptsetup-luks-automount-root-during-boot-with-usb-as-key
[00:17] <ikatamoonshots> i suspect the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX of the /etc/default/grub settings to be wrong, cant figure if the parameters are correct, websearch isnt helpful too
[00:19] <ikatamoonshots> this line
[00:19] <ikatamoonshots> sed -ie "s#quiet splash#cryptopts=target=sda3_crypt,source=/dev/disk/by-uuid/$(blkid -o value -s UUID /dev/$MAIN_PART),lvm=xubuntu--vg-root,keyscript=$UNLOCKUSB1#g" /etc/default/grub
[00:19] <ikatamoonshots> is there a cheatsheet anywhere for the correct kernel commands using lvm?
[00:20] <ikatamoonshots> lvm=xubuntu--vg-root -- this one, cant find if this command even exists, i pulled it from the script linked in my script right on top
[00:21] <horus125> hi, can I add custom new shortcuts in nautilius places section? i tried adding entries in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs (or /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults) and running xdg-user-dirs-update and xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update but it doesnt show up
[00:22] <ikatamoonshots> anyways, ill be here for a while looking for replies, if anybody has a clue/hint that would be great
[00:40] <tomreyn> ikatamoonshots: this isn't a direct response to your effort, but may be of interest if you haven't followed the recent changes, yet: https://debconf18.debconf.org/talks/77-cryptsetup-in-debian-tips-tricks-and-future-plans/
[00:41] <tomreyn> i.e. things will (apparently) be much easier soon.
[00:52] <tomreyn> cryptsetup 2.1 and luksFormat defaulting to LUKS2 didn't happen before the debian debian 10 ("buster") transition freeze, though.
[00:52] <tomreyn> it should make it into ubuntu 20.04, though.
[01:02] <tomreyn> oh actually 3.0.6 seems to have introduced LUKS2 as default format.
[01:02] <tomreyn> *2.0.6
[01:03] <tomreyn> https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/cryptsetup/v2.0/v2.0.6-ReleaseNotes
[01:03] <tomreyn> ikatamoonshots: ^ in case you're still following
[01:13] <ikatamoonshots> im following, yes, thx for your effort
[01:13] <ikatamoonshots> @ tomryn
[01:14] <ikatamoonshots> i still think either the keyscript ofr the grub setting is the point of failure
[01:14] <ikatamoonshots> i cant find a cheatsheet for the grub settings related to lvm / luks
[01:15] <AWest21> fresh install of 18.10 on a desktop that I'm assuming doesnt have built in Wireless, can anyone tell me how I can check to see if my Wireless Adapter is linux compatible?
[01:15] <ikatamoonshots> found this, https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html
[01:15] <ikatamoonshots>  
[01:15] <ikatamoonshots> but nothign with lvm on the post with this link
[01:17] <ikatamoonshots> even got it working in arch, setp is a bit different there, want to apply it to ubuntu tough
[01:17] <tomreyn> ikatamoonshots: i didn't really read all of what you posted, i'm not so much into booting off a usb key. it was always complex, and i always thought it'd be much effort to make it run reliably and not break by moinor changes in related packages.
[01:18] <matsaman> AWest21: know the model name?
[01:18] <matsaman> AWest21: does it show up in lspci? lsusb?
[01:18] <matsaman> AWest21: alternativfely: the computer model
[01:19] <ikatamoonshots> yep, i guess thats why there are no tutorials or documentations  except for very dated ubuntu versions - tough, i want to make this script working and put it on github once and for all :P
[01:19] <tomreyn> ikatamoonshots: it doesn't seem like the much improved tooling around this (external key storage with LUKS2) will make it into 19.04, though.
[01:19] <AWest21> matsaman Compaq 8200 Elite i believe the adapter is EP-MS1559
[01:20] <matsaman> AWest21: okay so what does lsusb say about it?
[01:20] <ikatamoonshots> making sure i get the correct grub parameters for /etc/default/grub would be a start but i cant find a cheatsheet for the correct kernel opt for GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= to apply for lvm / luks
[01:21] <AWest21> matsaman lsusb doesnt show any thing that looks to be related
[01:21] <matsaman> AWest21: but it's a usb plug-in?
[01:21] <AWest21> matsaman correct
[01:22] <matsaman> AWest21: well, couple places say it's rtl8192cu
[01:23] <matsaman> the driver for the kernel, that is, for that device
[01:23] <AWest21> matsaman Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[01:23] <AWest21> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[01:23] <AWest21> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 03f0:0024 Hewlett-Packard KU-0316 Keyboard
[01:23] <AWest21> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:0811 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
[01:23] <AWest21> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[01:23] <AWest21> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[01:23] <tomreyn> !paste | AWest21
[01:23] <matsaman> and apparently it will be replaced with https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jes/linux.git/
[01:24] <matsaman> AWest21: so probably 0bda:0811
[01:25] <matsaman> check those drivers
[01:25] <matsaman> bbl
[01:25] <tomreyn> ikatamoonshots: i'm not sure this would help, but i can share my grub.cfg if it does: i don't have an external key store, but enter a passphrase to uefi boot off /boot (unencrypted, on top of md raid-1) and / (encrypted, on top of lvm, which is on top of luks, which is on top of md raid-1) on a GÜT storage.
[01:25] <tomreyn> *GPT
[01:26] <tomreyn> so fairly standard.
[01:26] <AWest21> matsaman whats the easiest way to install that driver?
[01:26] <Jakethepython> does anyone know why i would not be able to RD from  ubuntu to a linux computer, windows computers and phone are both able to connect
[01:28] <tomreyn> i recently also setup uefi booting off / on top of lvm on top of luks on top of md raid-1, without separate /boot (but still plain esp, of course)
[01:28] <tatertots> Jakethepython: because you'd actually not be using RDP but "VNC"
[01:29] <ikatamoonshots> ythx tomreyn, i was making a break, will start dgging into these grub kernel params now, lets see what goog and github can find - if you have time to paste the configs anywhere, i can check if i get a clue for the missing piece
[01:29] <Jakethepython> the RDP protocol worked the other day though
[01:30] <tatertots> Jakethepython: can the devices ping one another?
[01:31] <AWest21> matsaman software & updates says I'm using dkms source for r8812au network driver from rtl8812au-dkms but I still dont see an option for wireless config any where
[01:31] <Jakethepython> no only because spectrum blocks ping of their IPs
[01:33] <tatertots> Jakethepython: okay so you're not doing this on your home/office LAN/intranet but trying to connect to a remote system in another physical geographical location
[01:33] <tatertots> Jakethepython: that type of setup put you in a situation where you can't easily trouble shoot the remote site
[01:34] <tatertots> Jakethepython: so you're working with %50 of the equation and your hands are tied from reaching the other site (the other %50)
[01:34] <Jakethepython> i can reach the other side from a differnet computer running Windows
[01:35] <tatertots> Jakethepython: all you can do is make sure the internet and network "locally" is fine...as far as your remote site....you better find transportation or a local system administrator to trouble shoot other end you can't reach
[01:36] <tatertots> Jakethepython: ok so let's bring out some details..just answer the questions
[01:36] <tatertots> Jakethepython: what operating system does the computer at the remote site have installed?
[01:37] <tomreyn> ikatamoonshots: maybe let's go over the relevant configuration files just in case: there is /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume for standby/resume (swap partition or file should be in there if you have one), there is /etc/crypttab (most relevant), there is /etc/lvm/*.conf (unmodified defaults here), there is /etc/default/cryptdisks and obviousdly there is /etc/fstab
[01:37] <tomreyn> ikatamoonshots: i use UUIDs whereever possible
[01:37] <Jakethepython> windows 7
[01:39] <tatertots> Jakethepython: what software application are you using to make this connection in linux/ubuntu?
[01:39] <ikatamoonshots> uuid only setup too
[01:39] <ikatamoonshots> thats the crypttab | sda3_crypt /dev/disk/by-uuid/$(blkid -o value -s UUID /dev/$MAIN_PART) none luks,keyscript=$UNLOCKUSB1 (vars are pasted in the script
[01:39] <ikatamoonshots> im looking int o grub settings right now and setup a virtualbox test env to test less timeintensive
[01:39] <Jakethepython> remmina
[01:40] <ikatamoonshots> have to check now if virtualbox even supprts the usb
[01:40] <tatertots> Jakethepython: in terminal>   apt list --installed|grep 'na-p'|nc termbin.com 9999
[01:41] <Jakethepython> https://termbin.com/z6fz
[01:42] <tatertots> Jakethepython: in a minute i want you to try to connect..but not yet i'll tell you when
[01:42] <Jakethepython> ok
[01:43] <tatertots> Jakethepython: in terminal>  journalctl -f|nc termbin.com 9999
[01:43] <tatertots> Jakethepython: then try to connect
[01:43] <tatertots> Jakethepython: after you try and fail...go back to the same terminal and press ctrl+c
[01:43] <Jakethepython> https://termbin.com/rc0o
[01:44] <tatertots> Jakethepython: let's try that again
[01:44] <tatertots> Jakethepython: wait
[01:44] <tatertots> Jakethepython: in terminal>  journalctl -f
[01:44] <tatertots> Jakethepython: then try to connect
[01:45] <tatertots> Jakethepython: did the terminal show info when you tried to connect and failed? yes or no
[01:46] <Jakethepython> RAILX-Precision-5520 org.remmina.Remmina.desktop[22616]: [20:46:33:544] [22616:22982] [ERROR][com.freerdp.core.transport] - BIO_read returned an error: error:14094438:SSL routines:ssl3_read_bytes:tlsv1 alert internal error
[01:46] <tatertots> Jakethepython: make a pastebin and included it ALL
[01:47] <tatertots> Jakethepython: then share the link
[01:48] <tatertots> Jakethepython: do you know how to make a pastebin?
[01:48] <Jakethepython> https://pastebin.com/Lvtxr1bC
[01:50] <AWest21> matsaman?
[01:52] <tatertots> Jakethepython: https://termbin.com/foou looks like you got some errors
[01:54] <AWest21> matsaman ?
[01:55] <tatertots> Jakethepython: you'll need to change security in the advanced tab
[01:56] <tatertots> Jakethepython: change the setting and try to connect
[01:57] <Jakethepython> i don't see security
[01:58] <tatertots> Jakethepython: it says "Advanced"
[01:58] <tatertots> Jakethepython: click "new" like a new connection
[01:58] <tatertots> Jakethepython: select RDP
[01:58] <tatertots> Jakethepython: see the "advanced tab"
[01:59] <Jakethepython> ok
[01:59] <Jakethepython> got it
[01:59] <tatertots> Jakethepython: change the security setting and try to connect
[02:00] <tatertots> Jakethepython: what did you have it set to first of all?...lets reveal that
[02:01] <Jakethepython> unable to connect
[02:03] <tatertots> Jakethepython: reveal the details of the setting
[02:05] <Jakethepython> security is rdp
[02:11] <tatertots> Jakethepython: journalctl -f
[02:11] <tatertots> Jakethepython: try to connect ...then make a pastebin .
[02:12] <Jakethepython> it worked that time
[02:17] <tatertots> cool
[02:17] <Jakethepython> thank you
[02:17] <tatertots> no prob
[02:18] <pmitros> Does anyone know how to get to Gnome's display settings from the command line? I have X running, just not Gnome.
[02:18] <pmitros> Bizarrely, X started working for no good reason, and I'd like to see if I can configure my monitors to be in the right places.
[02:19] <tatertots> pmitros: are you chatting from the computer right now
[02:20] <pmitros> tatertots: Sort of. I'm at the computer right now, but I'm chatting from another one via ssh
[02:20] <tatertots> pmitros: in terminal>   sudo apt install inxi
[02:20] <tatertots> pmitros: run the command above on the computer in question and let me know when done
[02:21] <pmitros> tatertots: I installed it.
[02:22] <tatertots> pmitros: in terminal>   inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[02:22] <tatertots> pmitros: share url/link here
[02:22] <tatertots> pmitros: if you do not get a url/link...simply say so
[02:22] <pmitros> Let me just figure out what that does first. Give me a minute. Reading the man page.
[02:23] <pmitros> Okay. I see.
[02:25] <pmitros> I think the relevant bits are: Distro: Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS / Card-1: NVIDIA GK208 [GeForce GT 630 Rev. 2] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:1284 / Card-2: NVIDIA GK208 [GeForce GT 630 Rev. 2] bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:1284 / Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) driver: nouveau / Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 3840x2160@30.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz / OpenGL: renderer: NV108 version: 4.3 Mesa 18.0.5 (compat-v: 3
[02:26] <tatertots> pmitros: oh ..if you're wise enough to pick what or what is not relevant you can take care of anything else or the rest on your own'
[02:27] <pmitros> tatertots: I'm not claiming to be wise enough to pick out what's relevant. I am wise enough not to post all the information from there on pastebin since some may have security implications.
[02:27] <pmitros> tatertots: If there's more you need, please let me know.
[02:27] <cryptodan_mobile> pmitros: it doesnt
[02:27] <[n0mad]> lol
[02:27] <tatertots> lol
[02:29] <cryptodan_mobile> pmitros: the z in the command hides your potential security and potential pii issues
[02:30] <cryptodan_mobile> But coming here on freenode without a VPN provides more issues
[02:30] <pmitros> cryptodan: I would specifically not be comfortable sharing drive configuration, since that would allow the system to be uniquely identified. The 'repos' would then let attackers know which software is installed. I can shown other ways this can be linked.
[02:31] <cryptodan_mobile> Lol look at your hostmame in freenode
[02:31] <pmitros> cryptodan: I am behind a firewall. As I pointed out, I sshed out to a random university machine.
[02:31] <cryptodan_mobile> Firewalls can be broken
[02:31] <matsaman> not by fire!
[02:32] <cryptodan_mobile> But you are concerned with drive info lol
[02:33] <pmitros> cryptodan: I know the security profile of the system I am on. You don't. I didn't come here to discuss security. I came to ask a simple question.
[02:37] <cryptodan_mobile> You came for help asked for info and denied it so go to a doctor complain about your foot but refuse to take off your shoe
[02:38] <pmitros> #ubuntu didn't used to be like this. It feels like a Slackware channel from the nineties.
[02:39] <poprocks> pmitros: you just really confused me because my only irssi windows open are ##slackware and #ubuntu :P
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> !bite
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> give him a brake guys, be helpful in the first place
[02:43] <tomreyn> pmitros: did you play with xrandr?
[02:44] <pmitros> tomreyn: That's what I'm trying to figure out right now. It seems like the right tool.
[02:44] <pmitros> tomreyn: Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to tell it which display to rotate. It has options for display, screen, etc., and I'm trying to figure out how to specify the right thing.
[02:44] <tomreyn> if you dont have gnome 3 and gnome-shell installed accessing the GUI for display management should get difficult anyways.
[02:45] <tomreyn> xrandr output shows connectors
[02:45] <pmitros> tomreyn: I have xmonad. I tried running gnome-control-center and unity-control-center, and both were sparse.
[02:46] <pmitros> tomreyn: You don't know off-hand how I rotate a connector?
[02:46] <pmitros> tomreyn: Or monitor. I have handles like "DVI-D-2"
[02:46] <tomreyn> pmitros: no, but "rotate" is the correct search term on the man page
[02:47] <pmitros> Oh! --output. That worked.
[02:48] <pmitros> tomreyn: Thank you! I think I can take it from here for a while. I think I'll leave the arrangement wrong, but at least I won't have screens sideways or upside down.
[02:48] <pmitros> That's enough to work from for a bit.
[02:48] <tatertots> lol
[02:50] <pmitros> tatertots: You think you'd be any faster debugging on a screen rotated the wrong way?
[02:51] <tomreyn> pmitros: you can add something like  --right-of DVI-D-2
[02:52] <tomreyn> how to arrange things precisely / ptroperly from a shell i dont know
[02:53] <pmitros> tomreyn: The complex bit is that two of the monitors are offset. I have a pair of 1080P displays above a 4k display. In Ubuntu 16.04, I had that set up with NVidia's proprietary driver, which died in 18.04 for this setup. Doesn't start X. Nouveau is working right now, but it's configuration language is different.
[02:53] <pmitros> tomreyn: But the details of where mouse goes aren't critical. Now that it's all right-side up, I can continue to get work done.
[02:54] <pmitros> tomreyn: And fix the rest at my leisure.
[02:56] <pmitros> tomreyn: Thank you very much.
[02:58] <tomreyn> pmitros: yw. there is gnome-flashback / gnome-session-flashback for a 2d xfce-like graphical shell which should also allow for configuring the screens. but i guess this will already have way more dependencies than you want.
[03:00] <tomreyn> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29418555/how-do-i-arrange-my-displays-in-xmonad
[03:02] <pmitros> tomreyn: Wow. arandr is pretty awesome.
[03:03] <pmitros> tomreyn: That did exactly what I was looking for!
[03:03] <tomreyn> :)
[03:04] <pmitros> It actually did it much better than the old NVidia utility or anything else I've seen. It's not as pretty, but everything snaps in place, and it's smarter in how it reconfigures things.
[03:08] <auvajs> hello, someone here? I have a 17'' notebook and bought a new 23'' monitor. however when I try to start fullscreen on the new bigger monitor, the "full screens" is only on part of the screen.. see https://pasteboard.co/HW2Bn3J.png .. any idea how to extend the full screen? I use LXDE
[03:11] <kilde> Help. I tried to fix my sound/video sync issue by following a guide. Now my sound does not work, my machine does not finish shutting down and I can not upgrade to 18.04. Please help
[03:13] <tomreyn> auvajs: i don't know, but you could / should provide more details, such as your graphics hardware + driver and ubuntu version, and how your monitors are connected.
[03:14] <tomreyn> kilde: you forgot to add the guide
[03:14] <auvajs> tomreyn: vga cabel
[03:15] <tomreyn> auvajs: both?
[03:15] <auvajs> tomreyn: I can provide the output of sudo lshw -class display
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> !details | kilde
[03:15] <auvajs> tomreyn: vga cabel connect the laptop with the monitor
[03:16] <tomreyn> auvajs: i see, so you have a laptop. so you have an internal screen and a separate one.
[03:16] <kilde> tomreyn: sorry. here is the guide. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure  I am using a 64 bit laptop touchsmart
[03:16] <tomreyn> auvajs: sorry, you mentioned laptop, my mistake.
[03:17] <auvajs> tomreyn: this is the output of sudo lshw -class display: https://termbin.com/myoo
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> kilde: before ugrading we need to know whats going on first
[03:18] <auvajs> tomreyn: yes as you said I have a laptop and external monitor
[03:18] <tomreyn> auvajs: do you have another option to connect the new monitor? vga is an analogue signal, nowadays most systems use digital ones, such as dvi, hdmi, displaylink.
[03:19] <auvajs> tomreyn: unfortunately the laptop is old, I can use only the vga cabel
[03:19] <kilde> lotuspsychje: where do I start? I am not really good at this but I can follow instructions.
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> kilde: do you have ppa's enabled? is your system up to date?
[03:22] <auvajs> tomreyn: ah I'm sorry.. I'm an idiot.. lol... it's called DVI cable what I have..
[03:22] <tomreyn> auvajs: xrandr is the command line utility to play with screen resolutions etc. there is arandr as a graphical frontend to it. you can try to play with those on the laptop monitor while doing the "full screen" outpiut on the new, large monitor.
[03:22] <tomreyn> auvajs: okay, that's more likely to work then
[03:23] <auvajs> tomreyn: how do I use those command please? I just want to watch NBA :)))
[03:24] <tomreyn> auvajs: shout at it that you "just want to watch nba", or read the manual (examples at the bottom) and configure things accordingly. i assume the second might work better.
[03:25] <tomreyn> auvajs: the xrandr man page: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man1/xrandr.1.html
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> kilde: do you know howto gather information on your system?
[03:25] <tomreyn> auvajs or install arandr and do it graphically
[03:26] <auvajs> tomreyn: yeah I just did. but dont understand it at all:))
[03:27] <tomreyn> auvajs: which graphical desktop are you using, or which ubuntu flavor?
[03:27] <tomreyn> !flavor | auvajs
[03:28] <auvajs> tomreyn: I use LXDE
[03:28] <kilde> lotuspsychje: I am running software update right now. Most of the ppa's are checked, accept the ones with the source. I can use the terminal, I just cant remember the input to check the system
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> kilde: lets have a look at: uname -a && lsb_release -a && sudo lshw -C sound && sudo lshw -C video and pastebin the output plz
[03:31] <tomreyn> auvajs: okay, i'm not sure whether lxde has its own display configuration utility. if not, you'd need to use xrandr or arandr to make any changes to the displays. i assume, however, that the incorrect video output on full screen on the separate monitor is actually a shortcoming of the open source nourveau drivers you are using. you could try installing the proproetary nvidia drivers but i assume there are none for your (older) hardware. running
[03:31] <tomreyn> "ubuntu-drivers list" on a temrinal should tell.
[03:31] <tomreyn> this should get you the same graphically: software-properties-gtk --open-tab=4
[03:32] <auvajs> tomreyn: lxde has some very useless xrandr where I can't set nearly anything
[03:32] <tomreyn> maybe it's about time to switch to a more modern desktop ;)
[03:32] <tomreyn> on the other hand, your hardware might be too lacking
[03:33] <auvajs> tomreyn: I use LXDE because it's much faster than Gnome.. :/ my laptop is ~6 years old
[03:33] <tomreyn> auvajs: you could try gnome-flashback
[03:35] <tomreyn> auvajs: it's more like xfce (consuming fewer resources than gnome3 + gnome-shell), but builds on gtk3, so it's not so outdated.
[03:35] <auvajs> tomreyn: ok, I'll try it, tnx
[03:37] <kilde> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/Cy1rK0r1
[03:40] <auvajs> tomreyn: I figured it out :)) it works after I turned off the laptop monitor
[03:40] <auvajs> tomreyn: https://pasteboard.co/HW2PAdA.png :))
[03:40] <derrick_jensen> Hello, I'm trying to configure OpenVPN on my Ubuntu 18.10 machine. It always claims to connect, but I either get no internet at all or no traffic is routed through the network properly. Any advice on how to continue?
[03:41] <tomreyn> auvajs: nice, enojy your game then!
[03:41] <auvajs> tomreyn: now I only need Blazers win :DDDDD
[03:42] <auvajs> tomreyn: tnx!
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> kilde: ok your drivers look loaded correctly
[03:45] <tomreyn> kilde: you said you cannot upgrade to 18.04 - why? you also said you are currently runnign the upgrade - this seems to contradict, unless you started the upgrade only recently.
[03:46] <tomreyn> kilde: is there a reason you're using the lowlatency kernel?
[03:47] <kilde> tomreyn: it will not upgrade to 18.04 but it does let me update (not upgrade)
[03:48] <tomreyn> kilde: ah, my mistake, i misunderstood. maybe we can get closer to the problem if you can show us some output
[03:49] <tomreyn> can you run this? sudo /bin/true; pastebinit <( lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version; cat /proc/cmdline; dmesg -t | grep '^DMI:';echo '*****'; sudo apt-get update 2>&1; echo '*****'; sudo apt-get -f install 2>&1; echo '*****'; apt-cache policy 2>&1; )
[03:49] <tomreyn> you may need to install "pastebinit" beforehand
[03:49] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | kilde
[03:50] <tomreyn> !pastebin | kilde
[03:52] <kilde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GSFDKYJrS5/
[03:54] <OerHeks> ah low latency for obs-studio
[03:54] <tomreyn> kilde: okay, so whatS'the error when you try to run an upgrade to 18.04 (do you actually want to, or is this just because sound doesn't work)?
[03:57] <kilde> tomreyn: I was trying to do it because the sound does not work (I know, it most likely wouldn't have fixed it). But, I get no error message, it just doesn't do anything beyond my password
[03:58] <tomreyn> kilde: do you also have the standard kernel installed?
[03:59] <tomreyn> dpkg -l linux* | pastebinit
[04:00] <tomreyn> kilde: i'm not convinced that upgrading to 18.04 would not fix the sound, it is totally possible.
[04:01] <kilde> tomreyn: oh? well here is the pastbin. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QnRxZN73dn/
[04:02] <tomreyn> kilde: on the other hand, it should probably work on 16.04 as well. but so far i don't even know which hardware you have. when you went over the sound fixing steps, you ran alsa-info.sh - can i see its output?
[04:02] <conjo> nick nojjim
[04:04] <tomreyn> kilde: when you upgraded to 16.04, did the upgrade run without any errors? you have a kernel version installed which should have been removed during this upgrade. it is not being used now, but the fact that it is installed myakes me think that the issues you are seeing are maybe the result of an unclean upgrade to 16.04.
[04:06] <tomreyn> kilde: are you still around?
[04:06] <OerHeks> you might not need ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-daily for 18.04, a live iso could tell you if sound works
[04:06] <kilde> tomreyn: I didnt remember having any problems...   https://pastebin.com/Gsd5K77e
[04:07] <nojjim> im trying to tile nautilis windows to left and/or right of screen is it possible
[04:08] <nojjim> did a quick google saw nothing at a glance...thought id done it in the past-am i just imagining
[04:09] <derrick_jensen> anybody here familiar with OpenVPN on Ubuntu?
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> ask your question to the channel derrick_jensen
[04:09] <derrick_jensen> Hello, I'm trying to configure OpenVPN on my Ubuntu 18.10 machine. It always claims to connect, but I either get no internet at all or no traffic is routed through the network properly. Any advice on how to continue?
[04:10] <derrick_jensen> there don't appear to be any errors saying it doesn't work in the syslog (journalctl -f), but i don't get any connectivity even though I should
[04:11] <OerHeks> derrick_jensen, what guide did you follow?
[04:13] <tomreyn> kilde: according to the alsa-info.sh output the kernel module (read: driver) for your audio chipset (card) is failing during initialization  at boot. this may be related to the lowlatency kernel you are running. i see three options: (1) switch to the standard kernel (this may break your video editing software). (2) try the !hwe kernel, (3) test ubuntu 18.04 from a live cd / usb stick, see if it works with audio. if so, clean up your packages,
[04:13] <tomreyn> then try upgrading to ubuntu 18.04 again.
[04:13] <tomreyn> !hwe | kilde
[04:14] <derrick_jensen> DerHeks I didn't use a guide but followed a config file my boss gave me, exported file generated by network manager match up almost completely except for persist-key and persist-tun
[04:14] <derrick_jensen> i'd be happy to take a guide if you can recommend one
[04:14] <melvincv> how to schedule deja-dup backups at a specific time of day?
[04:14] <tomreyn> kilde: i think you have a bit to read now, and i will have some food, so feel free to make a choice or ask more questions, and if no one else will i will respond later when i return.
[04:15] <tomreyn> melvincv: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1005908/how-to-setup-d%C3%A9j%C3%A0-dup-backup-scheduling-time
[04:16] <OerHeks> derrick_jensen, this guide should work, though it is written for 14.04 https://www.ovpn.com/en/guides/ubuntu-gui , see if you missed steps?
[04:16] <kilde> tomreyn: thank you for your help!!
[04:17] <tomreyn> yw
[04:18] <matsaman> melvincv: cron, or possibly anacron if the computer won't be on all the time
[04:18] <nojjim> derrick_jensen, i use openvpn and terminal to connect to my vpn service- goes like this download your config files(s), if not already installed sudo apt-get install openvpn, cd to directory where config files are, run sudo openvpn --config "ur file name" , enter, enter user name and password as prompted
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> kilde: if you have ppa's installed, feel free to share us your sources.list too
[04:18] <melvincv> thanks
[04:19] <melvincv> i will try
[04:20] <OerHeks> nojjim, that is awesome short !
[04:21] <kilde> lotuspsychje: how do I get that info through the terminal?
[04:23] <OerHeks> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> !sources | kilde
[04:29] <kilde> lotuspsychje: is this it? https://pastebin.com/22P6nWUv
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> kilde: yes, you might wanna disable all external ppa's before upgrade to 18.04
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | kilde
[04:35] <kilde> lotuspsychje: question... what does this mean? am I supposed to copy and paste into terminal? !ppapurge | kilde
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> kilde: on ubuntu we try to advice not to add external ppa's to your system as we cannot support them, they are also a possible risk to your system
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> kilde: as you have added alot of ppa/packages, you need to use ppa-purge to delete them back to remain original ubuntu sources
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> kilde: ppa-purge needs to be installed, then follow the procedure from the link
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> kilde: another more easy option for you would be, backup your data on 16.04 and clean install 18.04 right away?
[04:40] <kilde> lotuspsychje: ok, I get that. so, "!ppapurge | kilde" is more or less a short hand message rather than a terminal command, correct?
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> kilde: the ! factoids are used to link you usefull information on the #ubuntu channel
[04:42] <derrick_jensen> OerHeks: following that guide didn't help, same issue
[04:43] <derrick_jensen> it says it's properly connected but the public IP address doesn't change
[04:43] <derrick_jensen> at least not when checked through chromium
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> derrick_jensen: try this aswell https://linuxconfig.org/openvpn-setup-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[04:55] <nojjim> hey all is Gparted available for 18.04 cant see it in ubuntu software center
[04:57] <OerHeks> install synaptic, much more detailed softwarecenter ... wait, gparted is in softwarecenter
[04:58] <nojjim> was able to install with apt-get but not sure why no longer showing in ubuntu software center
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> !info gparted bionic
[04:58] <nojjim> yeah why wouldnt it be in the software center
[04:58] <nojjim> thanks
[04:59] <OerHeks> so why did you not see it?
[05:03] <nojjim> not sure typo
[05:03] <nojjim> lols
[05:11] <derrick_jensen> those guides didn't work
[05:12] <derrick_jensen> running OpenVPN directly with the configuration file sent does fire off a warning about ip route add failing
[05:15] <derrick_jensen> https://pastebin.com/4YiaQYhV is the output with some lines removed because of doxx, but nothing around the area in question
[05:52] <Psurge> so i got  a question
[05:53] <Psurge> is there linux ftp sites or servers to down load off of
[05:54] <Psurge> i understand its an os but  still
[05:54] <Psurge> has any one heard of Lubuntu
[06:41] <rabbitnightmare> do you think it would be possible to find a copy of Ubuntu with nvidia drivers?
[06:42] <rabbitnightmare> I literally can not get it to boot with my gtx 1060 in]
[06:42] <rabbitnightmare> its not out of the realm of possibility for someone to have a 1060 and a 4k display
[06:43] <rabbitnightmare> it boots and what have you in 1080p with the IGP with the graphics card out
[06:43] <rabbitnightmare> I cant get it to boot in 1080p, or to show up with 4090x2160 with the card in
[06:44] <tomreyn> so the problem is that the resolution is too high when the nvidia card is in?
[06:44] <dsc_> boot ubuntu, at login screen go to TTY1 (CTRL-ALT-F1), kill window manager, install NVIDIA drivers, let it create a xdisplay config or whatever it asks permission for, restart window manager
[06:44] <tomreyn> oh, i missed the nagation
[06:44] <tomreyn> *negation
[06:45] <rabbitnightmare> no thats the resolution of my display
[06:45] <tomreyn> tty1 wont work, use 3
[06:45] <dsc_> the driver itself is a .run file
[06:45] <dsc_> if I remember correctly
[06:45] <rabbitnightmare> with intel I can switch over fine to that resolution
[06:45] <rabbitnightmare> drop card in and boom, no display
[06:45] <dsc_> rabbitnightmare: Please read what I said
[06:45] <tomreyn> i'd rather recommend using the drivers ubuntu provides, or a ppa, not nvidias directly
[06:45] <rabbitnightmare> dsc_: trying that now
[06:46] <rabbitnightmare> tomreyn: unless canonical has done what Apple couldnt, and that is get Nvidia to share their source code I doubt it matters
[06:47] <BurekzFinezt> you can add semi-official nvidia ppa with the latest drivers
[06:47] <rabbitnightmare> dsc_: thanks, its installing, like I couldnt get the drivers to install without the card in
[06:47] <tomreyn> "sudo ubuntu-drivers list" shoul dhave been the first commnd on the tty
[06:47] <rabbitnightmare> I think this is more nvidias fault for REQUIRING the card be in to install drivers
[06:47] <tomreyn> and the customers' fault for buyiong from them, yes
[06:48] <rabbitnightmare> sorry, the vega 64 couldnt handle this in Ubuntu
[06:48] <rabbitnightmare> I tried for hours
[06:48] <rabbitnightmare> gave up, rmaed the card and got the 1060
[06:48] <rabbitnightmare> someone in here said to
[06:48] <dsc_> where do you need a videocard for anyway in linux???
[06:49] <rabbitnightmare> games
[06:49]  * dsc_ hides
[06:49] <rabbitnightmare> minecraft, steam games etc
[06:49] <rabbitnightmare> you do know Adobe are currently porting their application suite to Ubuntu
[06:49] <rabbitnightmare> big changes coming
[06:50] <rabbitnightmare> you're going to see a massive influx of adobe users in the coming months
[06:50] <tomreyn> i doubt minecraft needs much gpu power. it probably needs a lot of ram and cpu since its java
[06:50] <rabbitnightmare> tomreyn: you would be wrong
[06:50] <Disconsented> tomreyn> Uh no
[06:50] <NoImNotNineVolt> but it looks terrible.
[06:51] <tomreyn> okay, i never used it, guess i'm wrong then ;-)
[06:51] <Disconsented> crap code is crap code in every language
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> does it? you must be playing without shaders
[06:51] <NoImNotNineVolt> rabbitnightmare: you can blacklist the problematic driver if you're having problems booting with the card inserted.
[06:52] <rabbitnightmare> NoImNotNineVolt: I havent gotten there yet still waiting on the driver to install on said machine
[06:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> then with no driver, it's not clear why it would be having issues booting with the card present.
[06:52] <rabbitnightmare> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFDQKVj3mg&vl=en-US this is how most people play Minecraft
[06:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> you could try assigning that pci address to pci-stub, to be safe. i think that's how it works, at least. it's been a while.
[06:53] <Disconsented> That couldnt be further from the truth
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> I mean sure if you want to run it on a toaster you could play with ultra low graphics
[06:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> i've never played minecraft, but from what i can tell, it looks somewhat blocky :P
[06:53] <Disconsented> funny that
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> NoImNotNineVolt: its basically legos
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> the default low settings can be played on an intel atom with 2gb of ram
[06:54] <NoImNotNineVolt> i mean, it seems like it would have a low polygon count, and as such not be too demanding on gpus.
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> but theres things you can add to the game that make it look really good
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> NoImNotNineVolt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFDQKVj3mg&vl=en-US
[06:54] <NoImNotNineVolt> if you're saying there's an auto-tesselation mode that can be enabled to increase the polygon count, then cool.
[06:55] <rabbitnightmare> there is
[06:55] <rabbitnightmare> most 9 year olds probably dont know how to change a setting so all you normally see is the default low end graphics
[06:56] <NoImNotNineVolt> rabbitnightmare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JTJZocB7kA
[06:56] <NoImNotNineVolt> in comparison, minecraft looks like something that people play on phones.
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> but once you enable shaders, 3d depth, realistic lighting, realistic water etc it is a lot easier on the eyes
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> tesselation, antialiasing
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> NoImNotNineVolt: the phone version is very gimped
[06:57] <NoImNotNineVolt> i think you're missing my point.
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> I think you're missing mine
[06:57] <dsc_> i'm missing both you guys
[06:57] <dsc_> this is an ubuntu channel
[06:57] <NoImNotNineVolt> that minecraft can be made to look merely bad instead of terrible. no, i got that.
[06:57] <NoImNotNineVolt> indeed, that.
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> and Ubuntu now plays games get used to it
[06:58] <NoImNotNineVolt> kdc is a windows game, and i haven't tried it in wine. i play in a vm.
[06:58] <NoImNotNineVolt> offtopic either way.
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> its going to run Adobe stuff so theres going to be a massive influx
[06:58]  * NoImNotNineVolt shuts up and celebrates the volunteer ubuntu support community
[06:59] <NoImNotNineVolt> also, another reason to have a video card would be gpgpu stuff. even aws has gpu instances now, irrc.
[06:59] <rabbitnightmare> NoImNotNineVolt: I have noticed, Ubuntu plays litereally every steam game, Minecraft etc better than Windows 7 or 10, its safe to assume that Adobe would run better as well meaning that a LOT of people will switch, I used a beta of premier and the scrubbing is butter smooth
[07:00] <rabbitnightmare> dsc_: that worked thanks
[07:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> not literally every steam game. many games remain unsupported on linux.
[07:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> a majority of AAA titles, at that.
[07:00] <rabbitnightmare> that will change soon enough
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> the games I have tried on both OSes, that have a Linux native port, Ubuntu (other distros too) plays them better
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> less stutter etc
[07:02] <Disconsented> More like lower variance because GPU's are a good 40% slower
[07:02] <rabbitnightmare> less screen tearing, less dropped frames
[07:02] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-offtopic or -discuss please
[07:03] <rabbitnightmare> Disconsented: please join me and tell me what you mean by that?
[07:04] <rabbitnightmare> what do you mean 40% slower?
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> see you on the other side, enjoy yalls night
[07:12] <MiguelPeru> can someone tell me what to change in grub that is easy fix so my ubuntu boots from this desktop pc, it already can boot from my i7 laptop http://pasteall.org/pic/bf75fa46d0cc8891168464981b9d1219
[07:13] <MiguelPeru> that's a photo of the grub screen edit for the line
[07:16] <tomreyn> MiguelPeru: which ubuntu version is this?
[07:17] <MiguelPeru> why? I'm just getting the hand of it that's why I'm asking here
[07:17] <MiguelPeru> tomreyn, is old
[07:18] <tomreyn> MiguelPeru: it's too old, no longer supported
[07:20] <tomreyn> ubuntu 12.04 from 2012 (7 years ago) is just loosing extended (paid-for) support, and it had kernel 3.20. your system has kernel 2.6.32
[07:22] <tomreyn> MiguelPeru: so you should really reinstall, not try to make this work.
[07:23] <MiguelPeru> tomreyn, is booting from pendrive I cloned the HD that's failing
[07:23] <MiguelPeru> wanted to live in the past (2010) for fun
[07:24] <BurekzFinezt> download new version
[07:24] <BurekzFinezt> 18.04 is latest LTS
[07:24] <MiguelPeru> and the memories will be gone
[07:25] <BurekzFinezt> make new memories
[07:25] <guiverc_d> MiguelPeru, you can live in 2010 if you want, but it's off-topic due EOL, and hasn't had updates since 2015, so you're putting your data at risk - your choice..
[07:26] <tomreyn> MiguelPeru: no doubt this can be fun, but it is still not supported here (and a security risk if you're running it on networked systems). you can ask about it in #ubuntu-discuss or -offtopic
[07:26] <flapz> Can (use Gnome 3) I map "copy to clipboard" i.e. ctrl-c to a single key.
[07:26] <MiguelPeru> okey I'll unplug it
[07:28] <flapz> Why you might ask, too lazy to do ctrl + c? Nop, sometimes I lie in bed, the mouse doesn't work with all apps to copy text, can only reach keyboard with one hand unless I sit up :)
[07:34] <tomreyn> flapz: maybe using gpaste, not sure.
[08:25] <gentlemagic> have 've just tried Fedora, and imidiately come back to ubuntu, dnf package manager suck, Ubuntu is so much better but why Canonical make money less than Redhat
[08:26] <Callixo> LMFAO
[08:29] <BurekzFinezt> i'd say dnf is as is intuitive as apt, and it looks way better displaying all the info unlike apt
[08:29] <BurekzFinezt> only downside is that is slow as heck, written in python
[08:29] <mobile_c> wtf this channel is ACTUALLY alive?
[08:29] <mobile_c> fk wrong channel
[08:55] <ikatamoonshots> anbody awake here who knows what LVM related commands are available for GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" && GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" in /etc/default/grub ?
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> !lvm | ikatamoonshots maybe here
[08:58] <ikatamoonshots> thx, ill look into these links, looking for some sort of cheatsheet
[09:00] <ikatamoonshots> well, those dont help
[09:01] <Ool> are you sure there something specific to lvm to put here ?
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> ikatamoonshots: explain a bit to the channel what you are trying to do, volunteers might be able to help
[09:04] <ikatamoonshots> im trying to use a usb key to boot the luks encrypted root partition on 18.04
[09:08] <ikatamoonshots> here is the entire issue https://askubuntu.com/questions/1108777/18-04-cryptsetup-luks-automount-root-during-boot-with-usb-as-key
[09:08] <ikatamoonshots> however, i sense the issue lies with my grub settings.
[09:08] <ikatamoonshots> on the bottom of the script in my post, in the grub section i used this setting for grub /etc/default/grub for GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[09:08] <ikatamoonshots> cryptopts=target=sda3_crypt,source=/dev/disk/by-uuid/$(blkid -o value -s UUID /dev/$MAIN_PART),lvm=xubuntu--vg-root,keyscript=$UNLOCKUSB1
[09:08] <ikatamoonshots> i can not figure out if the lvm=xubuntu--vg-root is correct as i cant find documentation on it, i pulled this line from a script which is dated from 2012
[09:09] <ikatamoonshots> apparently nobody accomplished this yet with 18.04, i did a few weeks ago but cant exactly recall the script i isued, was close to this one, at some point the install didnt boot after a kernel update - tricky i guess
[09:10] <ikatamoonshots> lack of ducmentation available doesent help tough
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> ikatamoonshots: patience mate, its weekend not all users are always online to be able to help
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> ikatamoonshots: if someone knows they will help, otherwise try to re-ask once in a while
[09:12] <Ool> module lvm loaded ?
[09:12] <ikatamoonshots> loaded where?
[09:13] <ikatamoonshots> i tried with dolvm in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" , no success
[09:13] <MiguelPeru> hey BurekzFinezt why would it be slow in python?
[09:13] <ikatamoonshots> yet, alone i cant figure if the lvm= setting is even valid nowadays, thats why i asked if there is a cheatsheet of some sort
[09:14] <BurekzFinezt> because python is a slow language
[09:14] <ikatamoonshots> only related cheatsheet i found was this https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html but it doesent cover lvm as far as i see
[09:14] <MiguelPeru> BurekzFinezt, should be written in c?
[09:15] <BurekzFinezt> preferably
[09:16] <Ool> ikatamoonshots: for me usb key are too week to be use for booting , so I never try (how don't know how) but I find this (looking for /etc/default/grub +lvm) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#LVM
[09:16] <ikatamoonshots> in arch the usb key setup works flawlessly
[09:16] <ikatamoonshots> used it multiple times and wrote scripts for the install
[09:17] <ikatamoonshots> but ubuntu is tricky and i have limited knowledge of initramfs and grub obviously
[09:18] <ikatamoonshots> the usb only holds the key btw
[09:19] <ikatamoonshots> i need it because the machine i want to use ubunut with luks on doesent have a monitor
[09:19] <ikatamoonshots> and arch is no option there, else it would be easy
[09:34] <power123> Hi
[09:35] <repz> Hi there, I have a bit of an issue with my laptop on ubuntu 18.04.1. The suspend mode only works once and then the next times instantly resume to screensaver
[09:36] <immu> hi
[09:36] <power123> EriC^^:are you here ?
[09:38] <immu> ducasse, hi
[09:38] <immu> EriC^^, hi
[09:40] <badr_> EriC^^:i'm badr
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> badr_: EriC^^ might not be awake yet
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> badr_: ask your question to the channel please
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> !acpi | repz
[09:51] <miguel2013> so cve vulnerabilities and bash vulnerabilities what else and what can exactly be done? delete my files?>
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> what are you talking about miguel2013
[09:53] <miguel2013> my old ubuntu I had on a HD on a pc I didn't use for 8 years and recently cloned to a pen cause the HD was dying
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> miguel2013: are you planning to keep running an 8y old ubuntu version?
[09:54] <miguel2013> I'm just trying to learn and yea I need the updates I guess so I won't be trying to keep this alive for long
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> miguel2013: wich ubuntu version is this exactly?
[09:55] <miguel2013> 2.6 kernel and 10.04
[09:55] <miguel2013> lts
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> miguel2013: at this point, i would keep the system offline, and backup your data, then start over fresh install a supported ubuntu version from the topic
[09:56] <cfhowlett> this!   ^^^
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:00] <immu> hi lotuspsychje
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> hi immu
[10:02] <immu> how you doing lotuspsychje
[10:02] <immu> how do i enable extensions in ubuntu and use them
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> gnome extensions you can download from the gnome extensions website
[10:03] <immu> i am installing the core extension
[10:04] <immu> lotuspsychje, thanks
[10:13] <badr_> I did a   memory test(memtest86+) and I have 16 hours and I'm waiting
[10:19]  * ikatamoonshots throws the usb key out of the window
[10:24] <badr_> Well I've managed to run my Ubuntu
[10:25] <badr_> Thank you very much
[10:32] <no_gravity> Hello! I wonder why the ssh connection from my desktop computer to my laptop is stuttering so much. How would you guys go about analyzing it?
[10:33] <CoolerZ> i keep getting this "your firefox is critically out of date. update now" popup
[10:33] <CoolerZ> https://imgur.com/OI0QKjJ
[10:33] <CoolerZ> why hasn't the official ubuntu repos been updated yet?
[10:34] <CoolerZ> been around a month now
[10:34] <cfhowlett> !latest | CoolerZ
[10:35] <CoolerZ> ha
[10:36] <CoolerZ> cfhowlett, missing security updates make things MORE stable?
[10:37] <cfhowlett> what happened when you applied the update?
[10:37] <CoolerZ> you can't apply the update
[10:37] <CoolerZ> because its linux
[10:38] <cfhowlett> that makes no sense.
[10:38] <CoolerZ> yes it does
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> oO
[10:38] <CoolerZ> they direct you to a page that tells you to use your distributions package manager
[10:38] <guiverc_d> CoolerZ, what version of Ubuntu, and what version of Firefox do you have?
[10:38] <CoolerZ> ubuntu 18.04
[10:39] <CoolerZ> firefox quantum 62.0.3
[10:39] <cfhowlett> open a terminal.  sudo apt update  && sudo apt dist-upgrade will bring you to the  current 18.4.2
[10:39] <guiverc_d> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=firefox - you should have 64.0.2
[10:39] <CoolerZ> theres a version 63 out now
[10:39] <guiverc_d> so I would check your sources, or mirror etc
[10:40] <CoolerZ> cfhowlett, i think thats supposed to happen automatically
[10:40] <cfhowlett> did you set it up for autoupdate?
[10:40] <CoolerZ> automatic updates are enabled
[10:40] <guiverc_d> if you `apt-cache policy firefox` -- what do you see?  (please pastebinit if you're pasting)
[10:40] <cfhowlett> and yet your version is 18.04?
[10:42] <CoolerZ> i am updating it manually now using the command you posted
[10:42] <guiverc_d> 18.04 latest is 64.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 - do you only `apt-get upgrade`  (not dist-upgrade)? -- i use a local mirror, check yours isn't far-out-of-date if you use a mirror too
[10:42] <guiverc_d> also my command displayed info about package - it does not upgrade anything.. looked at sources for that package (displaying info only)
[10:43] <CoolerZ> i am not using a mirror, haven't changed the package repos
[10:43] <CoolerZ> should be the defaults
[10:46] <guiverc_d> CoolerZ, eg. the command `apt-cache policy firefox | pastebinit` for me gives http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DWBWrStYVT/  (showing i have 64.0.2 installed, and 64.0.2 available from listed source; my chosen aussie mirror)  - you should see ditto (only bionic not disco) with your sources listed..
[10:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:54] <CoolerZ>   Installed: 62.0.3+build1-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
[10:54] <CoolerZ>   Candidate: 64.0+build3-0ubuntu0.18.04.1
[10:54] <cfhowlett> CoolerZ, what does this command return:  more /etc/issue
[10:55] <CoolerZ> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS \n \l
[10:56] <guiverc_d> CoolerZ, I'd suggest `sudo apt dist-upgrade`  (upgrade with fewer restrictions/limits) & see if it installs
[10:56] <cfhowlett> CoolerZ, perfect.  sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[11:17] <DaylightDandy> Hello all! My Nvidia GeForce 970 graphics card started to run with high fan speed as soon as the X server/GNOME launches under 18.04 with proprietary drivers. Temperature is not running high, I am not even using the GPU much. I was using the default 390 drivers, I tried upgrading to 415 but behavior is the same.
[11:18] <DaylightDandy> Anyone experiencing the same issue? Thanks a lot!
[11:19] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: some years ago I wrote some scripts to set/control the fan speeds for nvidia; do you want me to dig them out in case they give you some ideas?
[11:21] <DaylightDandy> Hey TJ, sure, any help is very welcome at that point, it's puzzling. I tried setting the --cool-bits option in nvidia-xconfig, it give you a control slider in the GUI but it seems to have no real effect.
[11:21] <DaylightDandy> it gives *
[11:23] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/nvidia-fan-control.tar.gz
[11:24] <DaylightDandy> Thanks TJ-
[11:24] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: actually, I think that is missing one file, let me redo it
[11:25] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Sure, thanks again
[11:26] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: OK, done. looks like I had one of the files in 2 different paths, and it was the wrong path I sent originally!
[11:27] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: it's set to install to /usr/local/ and then I'd sym-link to make it work with "ln -s /usr/local/etc/X11/Xsession.d/99-nvidia-fan-control /etc/X11/Xsession.d/"
[11:28] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: the raw commands in /usr/local/bin/nvidia-fan-control.sh should give you some idea on how to query/interact with the nvidia driver to prove it can control the fans. I think you're correct about needing coolbits enabled too
[11:29] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: yes, Section "Device" ... Option "Coolbits" "13" ... EndSection
[11:30] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Wow Thanks for the help! I see you're using nvidia-settings in your script
[11:30] <DaylightDandy> TJ-, Yes I think I enabled Coolbits
[11:31] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: worth checking in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:31] <DaylightDandy> TJ-, but what's weird is that I'm pretty sure it started randomly, without any driver upgrade or anything
[11:31] <DaylightDandy> TJ-, yes sure
[11:31] <DaylightDandy> TJ-, It's been a while since I messed with xorg.conf haha
[11:32] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: this is the xorg.conf it goes with: http://iam.tj/projects/misc/xorg.XPS-NVS420-6monitor.conf
[11:33] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Thanks!
[11:40] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Looking at your script, I tried the nvidia-settings commands you use and it definitely had an effect!
[11:41] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: which implies the fan-control in the GUI isn't being responded to - I double-check you've got the Coolbits correctly configured
[11:42] <DaylightDandy> TJ- I tried nvidia-settings -a [fan:0]/GPUTargetFanSpeed=5 for example and fan speed definitely decreased even thought it's not back to normal noise levels
[11:42] <DaylightDandy> TJ- I am checking my xorg.conf right now
[11:42] <DaylightDandy> even though *
[11:44] <DaylightDandy> TJ- The Coolbits option is in the "Screen" section for whatever reason, not in the Device section... I think that's wrong
[11:44] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: yes
[11:45] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: although... it's a long time since I wrote the config so it may be valid in multiple sections... but as it is not having an effect likely it does need to be in Device
[11:46] <DaylightDandy> TJ- I didn't put it there haha. Or maybe I did. Let me try and restart. Thanks again for your help! BrB
[11:46] <DaylightDandy> TJ-, yes
[11:46] <DaylightDandy> TJ- I think so
[12:01] <DaylightDandy> TJ- I'm back. Just so you know, setting Coolbits in the Device section doesn't make the fan control slider work in the GUI. But I see the % change in the GUI when I set it with nvidia-settings -a [fan:0]/GPUTargetFanSpeed=x
[12:02] <DaylightDandy> TJ- I tried setting Coolbits to different values but it has no effect
[12:02] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: sounds like the GUI is broken unless the values to set Coolbits to has changed
[12:03] <DaylightDandy> TJ-, Yes I think so. I'm going to try removing the Coolbits option if I can't set the fan speed to a decent level
[12:04] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: according to this recent similar project the value may need to be changed, https://github.com/foucault/nvfancontrol
[12:04] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: read the "Enable Coolbits" section in its entirity
[12:05] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Oh wow, thanks! I suspected that the values I tried weren't right. I'm gonna try with these
[12:05] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: as I recall Coolbits are bit-flags so value of 13 is 1101 - the others are 0100 0101 1100
[12:06] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Yes, I tried random values like an animal
[12:07] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: "When "4" (Bit 2) is set in the "Coolbits" option value, the nvidia-settings Thermal Monitor page will allow configuration of GPU fan speed, on graphics boards with programmable fan capability." -->  https://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/364.19/README/xconfigoptions.html
[12:07] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Let me try with 4. I think I did try that one at some point a while ago because almost all examples on the web use 4
[12:07] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: that link shows all the valid values and what they do
[12:08] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Your search engine-fu is better than mine hehe
[12:08] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Let me look at that
[12:08] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: Because I recalled where I read it ("nvidia coolbits appendix"
[12:09] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Oh yeah, when you wrote that script
[12:09] <DaylightDandy> TJ- I'm definitely gonna try 4
[12:09] <DaylightDandy> BrB
[12:09] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: that file should be installed on your PC with the driver too
[12:10] <TJ-> DaylightDandy: try "dpkg -S xconfigoptions.html"
[12:11] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Yeah, it's in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-driver-415/
[12:11] <DaylightDandy> TJ- When/if I fix the issue, I'm going to revert to a saner version of the driver
[12:27] <hexhaxtron> I'd like to run Android apps on Ubuntu and use Play Store to install them. Any suggestion for this?
[12:29] <SwedeMike> hexhaxtron: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/run-android-apps-games-linux/ ?
[12:31] <warlof> hi, I got some troubles while attempting to install an Ubuntu Server 1810 on a Proxmox VM with UEFI settings. It appears that UEFI packages are not provided on the ISO and as a result, the installer is trying to pulling them from official repositories. Unfortunately, until the end of the install, I'm not able to provide a working network as my provider (OVH) is using routing on different networks for bridge setup.
[12:31] <warlof> Is there a way to fix the network settings using a shell and then restart the installation wizard ?
[12:32] <tomreyn> hexhaxtron: if you're fine with anbox, and don't strictly insist on using the play store app itself, you can install f-droid + aurora store, enabling you to install play store apps. but this is is quickly getting !ot here.
[12:33] <tomreyn> warlof: which ISO?
[12:37] <mDonchev_> Hello guys,
[12:37] <mDonchev_> I just bought a new (old) Radeon HD5670 and installed it on my computer
[12:37] <mDonchev_> the resolution was perfect but I decided to resintall Ubuntu 18.04 Budgie just to start clean.
[12:38] <mDonchev_> It was all fine until I saw that it was using the default drivers, so I installed the ones from AMD website following the instructions but
[12:38] <mDonchev_> now the display is not recognized and the resolution is wierd
[12:38] <mDonchev_> weird
[12:38] <warlof> @tomreyn I tried the standard live for AMD64 architecture
[12:38] <mDonchev_> can anyone help me setup that
[12:39] <mDonchev_> also AMD Catalyst Control Center (which was installed with the drivers) shows an error that the driver was not properly installed
[12:43] <tomreyn> warlof: the server live installer indeed needs a working internet connection. i'm not sure whether there is the alternative server installer for 18.10 (or why you install a non LTS release on a server in the first place - it's supported, but i would not recommend it), but this would be the way to go.
[12:44] <warlof> I initially tried with the LTS but got the same issue. I tried the 1810 thinking it could be something fixed in it :p
[12:44] <tomreyn> another option is to boot off a recovery / live system and do paritioning yourself, install packages with debootstrap and install the grub package, update-grub, and grub-install
[12:44] <aqd> why would you choose an amd card!
[12:45] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: reinstall and use the open drivers instead, as you noticed they work fine.
[12:45] <mDonchev_> tomreyn, will that be OK for games and stuff?
[12:45] <mDonchev_> i want to take the max of the card
[12:46] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: since there is only one working driver, and that is open source, and not a bad one, you will be fine.
[12:47] <mDonchev_> OK. Can I get a benchmarking somehow
[12:47] <tomreyn> maybe on phoronix.com
[12:48] <aqd> geekbench has opencl benchmark, but different games would have very different performance characteristics
[12:48] <tomreyn> there are a *lot* of factors to consider
[12:49] <aqd> you need games optimized for it, which is why nvidia would be a rational choice normally, because of steam
[12:52] <mDonchev_> doesn't steam work with ATI Radeon?
[12:53] <tomreyn> sure it does
[12:53] <tomreyn> and fine
[12:53] <aqd> yes but steambox uses nvidia...
[12:55] <mDonchev_> I'm not a big gamer. I'm a developer but wants to play something just so I know it works acceptably.
[12:56] <tomreyn> you'll be fine then
[12:57] <mDonchev_> ok
[12:58] <mDonchev_> should I install steam then?
[12:58] <tomreyn> if you want to install it, yes, otherwise, no
[12:58] <mDonchev_> or any other way to get games on Ubunut (not mines)
[12:58] <mDonchev_> :)
[12:58] <aqd> for steam games sure
[12:58] <tomreyn> there are several gamesin ubuntu
[12:59] <aqd> well i'm still playing enemy territory, not mines :P but most new commercial games are on steam yes
[12:59] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Well, I tried setting Coolbits to 4, 8, 5, 12, to no avail
[13:00] <DaylightDandy> TJ- it must be a kernel upgrade that triggered this, I don't know.
[13:01] <DaylightDandy> TJ- Nothing works, the fans run at 1000RPM and I can't slow them down
[13:11] <mDonchev_> aqd, thanks
[13:11] <mDonchev_> will try Steam
[13:12] <mDonchev_> does it have something like Quake or similar?
[13:18] <visone> howdy¡
[13:24] <warlof> @tomreyn while talking about alternative installer, I think you're talking about that one http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.1/release/ubuntu-18.04.1-server-amd64.iso ?
[13:29] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: you'll find several FPS games there, but also elsewhere. to configure your card, you can use https://flathub.org/apps/details/br.com.jeanhertel.adriconf (https://flatpak.org/setup/ for installation instructions). note ths is not supported here.
[13:29] <tomreyn> warlof: correct
[13:30] <tomreyn> or this for 18.10 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.10/release/ubuntu-18.10-server-amd64.iso
[13:31] <mDonchev_> tomreyn, thanks a lot. If I keep Ubuntu with the original drivers (not installing anything) in what case I would install and use this tool? In case of bad performance? How can I distinguish bad due to the card's hardwarelimits and due to bad configuration?
[13:33] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: graphics glitches vs better looks and higher FPS, i guess.
[13:34] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: you can also make use of these environment variables: https://www.mesa3d.org/envvars.html
[13:35] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: ... and could also play with the driver options (module parameters) listed by "modinfo -p radeon", see also the "radeon" man page
[13:36] <mDonchev_> tomreyn, thanks a lot
[13:36] <mDonchev_> will start exploring now :)
[13:36] <tomreyn> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/en/man4/radeon.4.html#configuration%20details
[13:36] <mDonchev_> Hopefully I wont break the installation
[13:37] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: none of this should break the installation, but it surely bears a lot of potential to break things (if most likely just temporarily).
[13:39] <mDonchev_> tomreyn, thanks a lot. (bow)
[13:39] <tomreyn> the open source radeon graphics driver is fine, and provides generally good performance. most drivers on linux are configured so that they work for most devices out of the box, and with good performance. tweaking things may let you get a little bit more performance, but most of the time you'll rather make things worse.
[13:40] <mDonchev_> yes, specially when I have no experience with tuning graphic cards
[13:40] <mDonchev_> I will try to install a game or two just to calm my spirits that I didn't buy a piece of garbage.
[13:40] <mDonchev_> Although, HD 5670 looks good on paper for an old card.
[13:41] <tomreyn> i would think the mesa environment variables and what driconf expose are a good way to start, the other things maybe not as much
[13:41] <warlof> yeay ! thumbs up - thank you a lot tomreyn. It's a shame that we cannot apply routes setup on the live install. Not as I was quite aware to get a shinny UI for my setup, but there are some work which have been done with it, so.... :p
[13:44] <mDonchev_> guys, I'm an old time windows user (until like 10 years ago). Then I switch to Mac and now I'm installing Ubuntu on my old PC. I cannot seems to recognise it. Linux is way better for even a regular user. How come Windows is still a thing?
[13:45] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: here's a good command to start with: vblank_mode=0 GALLIUM_HUD=fps glxgears
[13:45] <tomreyn> (need to install glxgears)
[13:45] <mDonchev_> what will that do?
[13:46] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: should draw a graph showing your FPS over time, and override vsync for this demo app
[13:47] <mDonchev_> but it will not always be there (like on my desktop all the time)?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> no, it's run in the terminal
[13:48] <tomreyn> warlof: the live server installer does not yet offer all the options the classic / alternative server installer has available, so it's a bot limited there. still.
[13:49] <mDonchev_> thanks
[13:49] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: this is just temporary.
[13:51] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: you can use these environment options (vblank_mode=0 GALLIUM_HUD=fps) with any application and game which makes use of 3d (graphics / opengl) acceleration
[13:51] <mDonchev_> thank you Tom, you rule :)
[13:51] <tomreyn> if you specify GALLIUM_HUD=help instead, you'll see a LOT of other options you can use on the terminal where you run it.
[13:52] <tomreyn> have fun
[13:58] <treepalm> Hi all, so I have this wifi configuration file and I'd like to configure it using nmcli but when I save it in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connection and try to activate it, nmcli returns me "failed to determine AP security information"... any suggestions?
[14:26] <stripe> hi all, just updated from 16.04 and still have the unity desktop :) how would I apply it to a 18.04 clean install? cheers :)
[14:43] <CookieM> check in package manager if unity is installed, if positive, log out, click cog button and choose unity
[14:47] <stripe> CookieM: just did a apt search unity and a program unity schemas is installed will try that, thanks mate :)
[14:48] <Younder> Seems no matter what change is mage someone will want things back the way they were :)
[14:50] <stripe> Younder: I just like the way it works on a laptop, prefer gnome on the desktop, so I am very happy :)
[14:53] <CookieM> stripe, I think that unity-schemas is a additional package, to “trigger” the whole DE, you HAVE TO have “unity” package installed
[14:55] <stripe> CookieM: thanks for the pointer, I am just loading 18.04 in a vbox will try that first :)
[14:55] <CookieM> also, on clean 18.04 install, Unity DE is optional, you have to install it yourself
[14:55] <stripe> CookieM: cheers mate :)
[14:58] <Younder> Well I have a 35" wide cuved screen here and the tendency so want to full-screen everything is a pain..
[14:58] <Younder> s/so/to
[15:17] <voidDotClass> I've been getting an updates error for the last few days .. i'm trying to run apt-get update today but its getting stuck on "0% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.149)] [Waiting for headers]   "
[15:17] <voidDotClass> I'm on 16.04
[15:18] <cfhowlett> voidDotClass, typically a self correcting error.  sometimes shifting to a different mirror solves it, but I usually just wait
[15:19] <voidDotClass> thanks cfhowlett, how would i switch to another mirror?
[15:20] <cfhowlett> system > software >  settings > download from:
[15:20] <cfhowlett> from that point you can manually choose or use the "select the best ..."
[15:24] <Younder> I have a computer running 16.04 and I haven't been having any problems. So it can't be universal.
[15:25] <cfhowlett> same here.  mirror / package maintainer problems seem to be the most frequent cause, but if it continues for more than 3 days, I just switch mirrors
[15:32] <TJ-> voidDotClass: if your host is having problems reaching security.ubuntu.com that might be something to report to Canonical
[15:39] <mDonchev_> tomreyn, I cannot seem to start even Quake III that is inside the games I can isntall directly on Ubuntu
[15:39] <mDonchev_> :(
[15:39] <mDonchev_> It starts, and at the moment I start the level it quits without any error
[15:39] <mDonchev_> I can see the menu for settings, single player, multiplayer, and stuff
[15:39] <Younder> Are you vine'ing ;)
[15:39] <mDonchev_> but when it has to go into fullscreen mode and start the game .. it quits
[15:41] <Younder> The bast way to run computer games is with steam. But you need 32 bit libraries.
[15:45] <mDonchev_> SHould I install something extra except Steam?
[15:45] <mDonchev_> or it comes with everything that I need?
[15:45] <TJ-> Younder: is that just for the steam binaries themselves, or for the games? Seems like that's very restrictive if the game needs to map more than 3GiB of RAM
[15:47] <Younder> TJ-, Well the mages use way more than 3 Gb, I have played 'The Talos Principle' a lot and that is a big game.
[15:51] <lordcirth__> The Steam client is 32bit, the games run 64bit fine
[15:52] <lordcirth__> I think? Though PAE does exist
[15:52] <TJ-> lordcirth__: ahhh, I thought that may be the case
[15:52] <lordcirth__> No, wait, PAE is still 4GiB per process
[15:53] <TJ-> lordcirth__: PAE only applies to 32-bit and it doesn't help a process map more than 4 GiB (3 GiB in reality due to kernel generally reserving 1 GiB in the process map) - if a 64-bit host it won't matter
[15:53] <TJ-> as in, PAE, only applies to a CPU in 32-bit mode
[15:53] <lordcirth__> Yes, I corrected myself
[15:53] <lordcirth__> Does the kernel really reserve a whole 1GiB?
[15:54] <TJ-> Due to very recent changes I'm not sure but yes, that used to be the split, it's a config option in kernel build, I'll check
[15:55] <Younder> A raspi has just 1 Gb for programs, graphics and kernel
[15:58] <TJ-> lordcirth__: Yes - set here " (X) 3G/1G user/kernel split " VMSPLIT_xxxxx
[15:59] <TJ-> Younder: we're on about the memory map, not the amount of physical RAM available
[15:59] <Younder> I got that
[15:59] <Younder> Still 1 Gb seems excessive
[16:00] <lordcirth__> Well, it's rapidly becoming irrelevant along with 32bit
[16:00] <Younder> I have 64 Gb to I don't care, but it is a limiting factor on small computers
[16:01] <lordcirth__> Most are 64, the raspi is 32 but also has less than 4GiB. There's no many computers that hit the exact problem range.
[16:02]  * ineevu away
[16:02] <lordcirth__> I wonder when the kernel will drop i486. I think i386 was a lot more work to support, so maybe not for a long time.
[16:02] <Younder> lordcirth__, The raspi used a broadcom chip which uses a graphics map  that limits the RAM to 1 Gb regardless of processor.
[16:03] <TJ-> In fact the issue is coming back, with the proliferation of embedded devices (IoT etc)
[16:03] <lordcirth__> Anyway, we are getting off-topic
[16:03] <Younder> I can't run ubuntu on a raspi
[16:04] <TJ-> Younder: which bit of Ubuntu? you mean the GUI Gnome desktop?
[16:05] <Younder> TJ, ubuntu no longer fit's into 1 Gb regardless of version.
[16:06] <leftyfb> Younder: why can't you run ubuntu on a pi? It works fine
[16:08] <TJ-> Younder: I don't have any problems; it only uses about 256MB
[16:09] <TJ-> In other news, related to large address spaces, I've just managed to get an Ubuntu host to answer for 72 Quadrillion IPv6 addresses
[16:09] <Younder> TJ-, wierd It didn't work the last time I tried
[16:10] <TJ-> Younder: I only use them with a 'server' install, don't use GUIs
[16:10] <Younder> Ahh
[16:10] <TJ-> Younder: that's why I asked if you meant with a GUI desktop
[16:11] <TJ-> I have one with a Western Digital USB PiDrive (314GiB) as a squid-deb-proxy for the LAN and that does well
[16:11] <Younder> Seriously that 1 Gb limit has got to go. With 4 Gb it would be a much more usable machine.
[16:13] <TJ-> What should 'go' is bloated multi-layered software library abstractions - software is to RAM what cars are to new roads ... they expand to take up all available space :)
[16:14] <Younder> let's make bigger roads ;)
[16:15] <cfhowlett> where we're going, we don't need roads.
[16:17] <TJ-> I've been testing linux 5.0 the last few days; it may be false perception but it feels snappier than 4.20 and earlier. I wish there were some tool that could quantify it easily without needing to configure synthetic tests
[16:23] <trafaret1> hi there
[16:24] <trafaret1> Can anybody help. I want to define function which helps me to navigate without arroys key. Just [Space+h,j,k,l]. How can I do that.
[16:24] <kk4ewt> leftyfb, pi3 are 64bit
[16:25] <kk4ewt> and not confuse the i386 arch with the actual i386 chipset
[16:25] <Younder> Yuo can't combine a space with anything easely. Not without writing a new keyboard driver
[16:27] <lordcirth__> trafaret1, navigate through what?
[16:30] <Younder> trafaret1, You should remap CTRL instead
[16:31] <trafaret1> Younder: how can I do that?
[16:33] <Younder> trafaret1, https://askubuntu.com/questions/296155/how-can-i-remap-keyboard-keys
[16:33] <trafaret1> Younder: can I use win key instead of ctrl?
[16:34] <Kon-> Are the daily Bionic (18.04.2) builds considered stable at this point? I'm wondering if it's a good option to get all the latest updates on a fresh install without an internet connection
[16:35] <Younder> trafaret1, yes
[16:36] <OerHeks> Kon-, daily builds are for 19.04 dingo
[16:36] <Kon-> These exist http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/current/
[16:37] <OerHeks> Kon-, oh, sorry, never seen those
[16:37] <OerHeks> yes, that is correct then
[16:37] <Kon-> Yeah, neither have I, that's why I found it interesting
[16:38] <OerHeks> this is new to me, awesome!
[16:39] <TJ-> Kon-: if you're using one of the daily builds it might make sense to check the QA tracker for the ISO builds to ensure they don't contain bugs you'll not want to fall foul of
[16:39] <TJ-> Kon-: see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[16:40] <trafaret1> Younder: thanks but I can't get how to combine two keys to define one arrow key
[16:41] <Kon-> I'm guessing if it says "Mandatory 0/6" and "Run Once: None" that means it hasn't been tested? TJ-
[16:43] <TJ-> Kon-: I think so; on the left column margin under "Status" un-check "Untested"
[16:44] <Kon-> Oh yeah that knocks off most of the dailies
[16:45] <TJ-> Kon-: seems to confirm your conclusion too
[16:47] <cooler> are the boost libraries installed by default on Ubuntu 18.04?
[16:47] <cooler> i get a cmake error saying that it couldn't find Boost
[16:47] <ioria> !info libboost-all-dev
[16:47] <TJ-> cooler: no, that's your job :)
[17:06] <hlmjr> When I install Xubuntu in a QEMU VM, firewalld has no zones? Have any of you heard of this before?
[17:08] <Younder> qEMU VM is a generic platorm you would have to say what processor you are emulationg
[17:13] <hlmjr> x86_64 with '-cpu host' on an AMD Ryzen
[17:17] <KeyboardNotFound> Is there a way to find in how long my DHCP IP address will be released?
[17:18] <Younder> KeyboardNotFound, That statement makes no sence
[17:20] <cooler> TJ-: so this https://github.com/eteran/edb-debugger#compiling   is a lie?
[17:22] <OerHeks> KeyboardNotFound, the lease of your ip can be traced on your router
[17:24] <TJ-> cooler: I don't get what you mean
[17:24] <klaminite> Question, I can't reproduce this without wiping a drive, but I was attempting to install ubuntu 16.04 the other day, and everytime it would install on my SSD, even after secure erase, it would always drop me to the initramfs console, and I would have no keyboard functionality, despite having functionality with three keyboards in bios, and this happened on two different pc's
[17:25] <leftyfb> kk4ewt: what's your point?
[17:25] <TJ-> klaminite: USB keyboards?
[17:25] <klaminite> yes
[17:25] <TJ-> klaminite: presumably the usb_hid module wasn't loaded
[17:25] <klaminite> Yea, I heard of loading that
[17:26] <klaminite> But shouldn't ubuntu do it default out of the box?
[17:26] <TJ-> sorry, 'usbhid'
[17:27] <TJ-> it /ought/ to be done by udev if it is included in the initrd.img AND the USB device declares itself as USB HID class - my guess is the problem is not usbhid itself but the USB controller driver not being loaded. That would probably be because the motherboard/PC is newer than the Linux kernel (v4.13 I think) in 16.04
[17:28] <klaminite> when was v4.13 dropped?
[17:29] <TJ-> klaminite: ha, sorry, it was 4.4!
[17:29] <TJ-> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[17:29] <OerHeks> KeyboardNotFound, found this: cat /var/lib/NetworkManager/*.lease | grep expire
[17:30] <klaminite> hm
[17:30] <klaminite> 16.04 is LTS
[17:30] <klaminite> Does canonical know/want to solve this?
[17:30] <TJ-> klaminite: unless you're using a point-release ISO in which case it will have a later kernel in
[17:31] <TJ-> klaminite: what is the make/model of the PC/mobo? As I said, if it's new then the kernel version may not know the USB controller the keyboard(s) were attached to, or it may, but the required module may not be in the initrd.img
[17:31] <klaminite> uh
[17:32] <klaminite> let me install hardinfo
[17:32] <TJ-> klaminite: easiest way to answer this is, did you get 16.04 to boot, and if so did the keyboard then work - if it did, then unknown chipset won't be the issue
[17:32] <TJ-> klaminite: You can do "dmesg | grep DMI:  "
[17:33] <klaminite> oh
[17:33] <klaminite> TUF Z270 MARK 2, BIOS 0702 12/28/2016
[17:36] <TJ-> klaminite: from what I can see that mobo has 2 USB3.1 controllers (Asmedia and Intel) and 1 USB2 Intel controller, so it could depend on which USB socket the keyboards were connected to
[17:36] <klaminite> everytime it was usb3
[17:37] <TJ-> klaminite: apparently on bac-panel there are 2 x ASmedia v3.1, 4 x Intel v3.1, and 2 x Intel v2.0
[17:37] <OerHeks> plug it in the non-blue-usb connector
[17:38] <TJ-> ^^^
[17:38] <cooler> TJ-: nvm
[17:38] <cooler> apparently they tell you to install boost on another page
[17:38] <klaminite> alright
[17:39] <TJ-> cooler: yes I saw that
[18:21] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[18:22] <OnkelTem> How to install Java into snap?
[18:22] <OnkelTem> into a snap app
[18:22] <OnkelTem> I installed IDEA Intellij using snap, but it seems there is no java SDK inside it
[18:22] <OnkelTem> and i wonder how to install it there
[18:23] <OerHeks> OnkelTem, i think you do not need to ? just install openjdk or the oracle blob on the host of that snap?
[18:23] <Badr> Hi
[18:23] <OnkelTem> OerHeks: maybe, thanks
[18:25] <Badr> i delte ubuntu and i can't to open windows?
[18:25] <Badr> error: no such partition Grub
[18:25] <OerHeks> Badr, insert your windows iso and choose repair??
[18:27] <Badr> OerHeks:it does not do anything
[18:28] <OerHeks> i think you need to seek help in #windows then
[18:28] <jeremy31> Badr, see if there is option for OS boot in BIOS, choose Windows Boot loader if you have Win 10 and EFI
[18:29] <Badr> i have win7
[18:32] <OerHeks> sure your win7 iso can repair this
[18:33] <Badr> OerHeks:i try and it does not do anything
[18:33] <Badr> and i instaled ubuntu 18.04
[18:34] <Badr> if i open my pc it give me the same error
[18:35] <OerHeks> you deleted ubuntu, now windows does not boot, not an ubuntu issue to me
[18:36] <woenx> Hi. is there possible to create cpufreq profiles?
[18:36] <woenx> i only see "performance"and "power saving'
[18:37] <Badr> OerHeks:and ubuntu 18.04 don't be run
[18:37] <woenx> id like to add custom cpu frequency limits (to prevent heating and extend battery life)
[18:38] <Badr> but i delted  ubuntu16.04 and i intaled ubuntu18.04
[18:38] <Badr> instaled
[18:41] <OerHeks> oh, now it is something else, maybe you installed 18.04 over windows 7?
[18:44] <Badr> no
[18:45] <OerHeks> Badr, if so, these 2 commands should do the trick, but that should already be done while installing 18.04 https://askubuntu.com/a/554644
[18:46] <Badr> OerHeks:look https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/n5GHwXsD4C/
[18:49] <OerHeks> ah, exfat, sudo apt install exfat-fuse exfat-utils # and do the os-prober again
[18:49] <OerHeks> https://itsfoss.com/mount-exfat/
[18:55] <Badr> OerHeks:look https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v72DkHVFPC/
[18:58] <Wonny> Hello. I'm trying to get a command to run automatically when I start my computer. Which way do y'all recommend?
[18:58] <klaminite> make a daemon
[18:59] <klaminite> actually, ubuntu 18.04 has super accessible methods for making commands run at start up
[18:59] <TJ-> Wonny: A one-shot systemd unit, as a 'Wants' of to the multi-user.target
[19:00] <netameta> just installed 18.04 trying to increase font size - so i've installed gnome tweak and several others. now when i open files navigator
[19:00] <netameta> the top bar is huge
[19:00] <netameta> any way to reset settings ?
[19:00] <Badr> OerHeks:thanks
[19:02] <OerHeks> Badr, have fun!
[19:07] <TJ-> Badr: that error is because you're trying to install GRUB from the Live environment. You need to use a chroot of the/an installed system for grub to figure out which device the boot files should be on.
[19:10] <netameta> anyone know how i can reset the font size there ?
[19:13] <ioria> netameta, you need to edit system config files.... not a very good idea (and btw, they 'll be overwritten)
[19:15] <Badr> Tj-:thank you
[19:18] <_0xbadc0de_> can I ask a gdb question here?
[19:19] <leftyfb> !ask | _0xbadc0de_
[19:20] <Badr> i can to active speaker and headphone at the same time?
[19:20] <TJ-> _0xbadc0de_: decide which channel to ask in, we can see you in both :)
[19:20] <babuloseo> what ever happened to ubuntu dropbox
[19:21] <leftyfb> babuloseo: huh?
[19:21] <babuloseo> the ubuntu version of dropbox
[19:21] <babuloseo> lol
[19:21] <leftyfb> babuloseo: it's on their site. Go download it
[19:42] <energizer> babuloseo: they stopped supporting some filesystems
[19:42] <energizer> a few months ago
[20:03] <lxer> What is the place to discuss design/UX issues in 18.04 ?
[20:05] <ioria> lxer, if a 'real' issue, here,if just preference ubuntu-offtopics
[20:11] <CoolerZ> ok so i did   sudo apt dist-upgrade
[20:11] <CoolerZ> and its failing to do anything
[20:11] <CoolerZ>   Connection failed [IP: 91.189.91.26 80]
[20:11] <CoolerZ> over and over and over again
[20:11] <CoolerZ> Err:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main amd64 g++-7 amd64 7.3.0-27ubuntu1~18.04
[20:11] <CoolerZ>   Connection failed [IP: 91.189.91.26 80]
[20:13] <CoolerZ> where are all the people at?
[20:14] <lxer> ok, let me try.  The new 'show applications' button is 1. really slow; it takes about a second be fore something happens  2. the wall of icons that shows up is not user friendly  3. the search function returns a combination of text and icons, where the text is not relevant to the search and just confusing.  4. it turns out you need to 'swipe' to see the next page. this does not make much sense for desktop
[20:14] <lxer> use.
[20:16] <lattera> so I downloaded and booted the ubuntu 18.04 LTS ISO on a laptop, looking to install ipmitool. did `apt-cache update` but `apt-get install ipmitool` shows package not found. yet, when I google "ubuntu 18.04 ipmitool", I see that ipmitool is indeed in the repos
[20:16] <lattera> what's the proper way to install ipmitool?
[20:16] <lxer> 5. returning back to the 'normal view' (after clicking  a application icon), also takes about a second, and sometimes longer.
[20:17] <Bashing-om> CoolerZ: Do not know the why here .. but "dist-upgrade" is an apt-get switch. What results with ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' ?
[20:17] <ioria> lxer, is very quick for me ... what's your specs ?
[20:18] <lxer> 18.04, asus UX310u, ssd, 20gb memory.
[20:19] <Bashing-om> !info ipmitool bionic
[20:19] <lattera> do I need to add a repo when booting from the livecd?
[20:19] <lattera> rather, live ISO
[20:19] <ioria> lxer, sy, atm i don't see the issue
[20:19] <lattera> perhaps apt is only checking the pkg repo on the installation media?
[20:20] <Bashing-om> lattera: ^^ insure that the universe repo is enabled .
[20:20] <lattera> Bashing-om: will do. can you remind me where I would find that info out? is it /etc/apt/sources.list?
[20:20] <lattera> or is it in /etc/apt.d?
[20:21] <Bashing-om> lattera: That is the location .. If you prefer one can set in the the GUI software center.
[20:21] <lattera> thanks! laptop's in another room. I'll check and report back
[20:21] <lattera> I appreciate the help :)
[20:22] <Bashing-om> lattera: help is what we do :)
[20:26] <pavlos> lattera: if working from a live ISO, you need to enable Universe, then update, then install ipmitool
[20:28] <TJ-> For the CLI lovers, "sudo add-apt-repository universe"
[20:29] <pavlos> lattera: like ... sudo add-apt-repository universe ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt install ipmitool
[20:34] <lxer> lattera: works for me
[20:38] <lattera> worked like a charm
[20:38] <lattera> thanks again :)
[21:21] <CoolerZ> somebody help
[21:21] <CoolerZ> its failing to upgrade the distro
[21:22] <CoolerZ> what do i do?
[21:22] <CoolerZ> same as before
[21:22] <CoolerZ> Err:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates/main amd64 g++-7 amd64 7.3.0-27ubuntu1~18.04
[21:22] <CoolerZ>   Connection failed [IP: 91.189.91.26 80]
[21:23] <_KaszpiR_> CoolerZ change mirror
[21:24] <_KaszpiR_> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:24] <_KaszpiR_> (try to remove 'us.' from url
[21:24] <_KaszpiR_> or pick closer mirror
[21:26] <Bashing-om> !info g++ xenial
[21:27] <Bashing-om> !info g++ bionic
[21:27] <arooni> question; /var/log/journal/de5ce3191f644c7fbe9fdad055d7724e folder is 1GB on ubuntu 18.04; opened one file and idndt seem to se eanything
[21:28] <Bashing-om> _KaszpiR_: ^^ g++ from a PPA ?
[21:30] <_KaszpiR_> i have no idea, it depends on your build setup
[21:31] <Guest_47> anyone know of utilities to reset a forgotten Windows password from an ubuntu Live CD? i've tried chntpw, but it didn't work. i think this is because the Windows account is a @hotmail.com account instead of a local account.
[21:31] <Guest_47> am I out of luck?
[21:35] <_KaszpiR_> Guest_47 if its in cloud then you're pretty dead
[21:35] <_KaszpiR_> search for recovering methods online, from mail provider/cloud provider
[21:36] <Guest_47> good ol' cloud
[21:36] <_KaszpiR_> in the cloud noone can hear your sream
[21:36] <_KaszpiR_> *scream
[21:45] <r3v> I'm new to managing an Ubuntu server. Is there a downside to the canonical livepatch service?
[21:52] <Roey{-> Hello all, I'm trying to figure out why I don't see my sound device after I upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 -> 18.10.  I don't see it with the command "pavucontrol" at all (there are no audio devices in the "Output Devices" tab aside from some port on my monitor)!
[22:11] <SimonNL> Roey{-: check configuration tab
[22:26] <Roey{-> SimonNL: ok, what specificially should I look for?
[22:27] <SimonNL> see if you have correctly set the profile Roey{-
[22:27] <Roey{-> It just says Quickcam (for input) and HDA Nvidia (for output).  that's my video card's sound out, apparently.
[22:27] <Roey{-> SimonNL: it was set up and working perfectly before I ran dist-upgrade
[22:27] <Roey{-> er
[22:27] <Roey{-> before I movd from 18.04 -> 18.10 and dist-upgraded a couple times past that.
[22:29] <OerHeks> terminal: alsamixer # and see with F6 if your device is selected properly
[22:29] <SimonNL> you could have a look couldn't you
[22:29] <Roey{-> Ah, right, alsamixer.  So I loaded it, and i see: Realtek ALC1150
[22:30] <Roey{-> Card: HDA Intel PCH
[22:32] <Roey{-> derf-: so I pressed F6 and made the intel sound card the default device.
[22:32] <Roey{-> I think?  I just hit Enter... so..  and I still do not hear sound when I Try playing something
[22:34] <OerHeks> !sound
[22:34] <Roey{-> thank you
[22:35] <OerHeks> from step 4 i guess
[22:44] <janat08> how do you find direct links for software if you must install it from cli, I assume there's a trick. Like comodo AV for linux appears to have no direct url
[22:45] <janat08> nm
[22:45] <janat08> unless there is a trick
[22:47] <OerHeks> janat08, for snaps:  snap find <text> and apt-cache search <text># for regular apt
[22:48] <OerHeks> for apt-cache, run apt update first
[22:58] <janat08> well I meant finding repositories and sources for apt
[23:00] <Bashing-om> !repository
[23:03] <OerHeks> janat08, no, ppa lists on cli i do not now, besides the standard repo univers main restricted and so on
[23:04] <OerHeks> c/now/know
[23:04] <OerHeks> you need to investigate those and write them down manually