[00:01] Tj: don't worry actually i am tryng to understand the MBR and EFI boot block or boot sector [00:02] oceanquake: right [00:03] database2_: so what bits do you want to understand? [00:03] If you just use group membership, and a) you are OK having the users be members of the specific group, and b) the device's group-level permissions gives sufficient access, you do not need to do anything setuid/setgid. setuid/setgid are ways to grant anyone arbitrary & "temporary" userid/groupid values, via the programs so-marked. [00:04] database2_: OK, so if you follow what we've written so far, what parts do you still not understand? [00:04] * TJ- has done extensive work both writing boot-loader(s) and working with partitioning schemes [00:04] do you guys have recordmydesktop? [00:05] egrain, sure, it is in the repos [00:05] apt-get install recordmydesktop, right? [00:05] !info recordmydesktop [00:05] recordmydesktop (source: recordmydesktop): Captures audio-video data of a Linux desktop session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.8.1+svn602-1ubuntu5 (bionic), package size 49 kB, installed size 124 kB [00:06] that is handy. shiny. [00:06] oceanquake: i understood everything you and Tj explained it well [00:07] egrain, install both, + gtk-recordmydesktop https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts/RecordMyDesktop [00:07] oceanqake: does systemd have root access ? [00:08] OerHeks, why gtk- too? [00:08] database2_: yes [00:08] egrain, try install it without the gtk thingy ... [00:08] you will not find it [00:08] ( in the menu) [00:08] well, then it will be in the dependencies and installed automatically. [00:08] nope [00:08] oceanquake: what demons can do ?\ [00:09] i mean to say worse thing any demon can do ? [00:09] both packages pull in other dependencies, AFAIK [00:10] OerHeks, well, here it works without the gtk thing. i'll see tomorrow. i don't have ubuntu here right now. [00:10] anyway, thanks a bunch as usual. [00:10] database2_: an arbitrary daemon running as root can do anything; this is why a number of techniques are used to control how much code is running as root. These techniques include chroot, dropping privileges after startup, running privilege-separated components, etc. [00:11] database2_: for that matter an arbitrary program running as root can do anything; a daemon is just a program that is intended to run indefinitely in the background [00:12] oceanquake: it means daemons can act like virus too ? [00:13] database2_: system daemons are supposed to be carefully vetted; it's a big deal when they have vulnerabilities [00:14] oceanquake: it means they can be very harmful if not implemented carefully [00:14] database2_: any program can effectively act like a virus; if you run a program as your non-privileged user, it could be ransomware, and you can have unprivileged daemons as well [00:15] oceanquake: okay thanks [00:16] oceanquake: can you tell me where kernel allocate memory for itself? [00:17] !info sl [00:17] sl (source: sl): Correct you if you type `sl' by mistake. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.03-17build2 (bionic), package size 25 kB, installed size 86 kB [00:17] database2_: good question. I actually don't know enough about the kernel architecture to answer that. You may want to check on https://kernelnewbies.org/ to get started understanding more about the kernel. [00:18] oceanquake: okay thanks again === N3X15_ is now known as N3X15 [00:19] is there a way to search for packages in a ppa using the commandline? [00:19] without trusting or adding it first? [00:20] database2_: sure. [00:20] like `ppa-of-the-universe cmake' would return the latest version of cmake that's out there "somewhere". [00:22] profbear: there's nothing like that afaik [00:22] wouldn't that be sick, tho? ducasse [00:24] 5th attempt to get this laptop running Ubuntu [00:24] What happens? [00:25] Stormmore, you know if ubuntu can run on my cell phone it can probably run on your laptop [00:25] video goes all sorts of flaky, if I am lucky I get either a working external monitor or an internal display at 800 x 600 [00:26] Is that GNOME? [00:26] oh and to even get there, I usually have to boot to "recovery" first [00:26] found it https://askubuntu.com/a/1041791/138912 [00:26] just trying to get a plain vanilla Ubuntu 18.04 install on it [00:26] Try to use MATE [00:26] Is this an old laptop? [00:26] nope not even close [00:27] it might be a year old at this point [00:27] Stormmore: what is the video chipset? [00:27] Try to use Ubuntu MATE see if it makes a any difference [00:28] the messed up part if I don't update it, it just seems to work [00:29] you do dist upgrade? [00:29] nope [00:30] I suspect something the first time it does an update-initramfs -u causes the problem [00:30] about to see if I am right, or close [00:31] nope that isn't it [00:31] I don't know , 18.04 works fine on my laptop [00:31] I use MATE [00:33] Stormmore: can you confirm this is the situation? you install ubuntu 18.04.1 (not 18.04.0) using the default desktop installer ISO, it installs fine and booting into it works. but when you then apply pending updates and reboot again the video output breaks? [00:33] I have to get it working with Vanilla Ubuntu [00:33] tomreyn, yup that is exactly it [00:34] Stormmore: what can you tell us about the hardware, especially (but not only) graphics card? [00:34] tomreyn, it is a Razer Blade 15 with 1060 Max-Q [00:35] oh, a gaming laptop. those are sometimes difficult to get working. [00:35] also the graphics card can be. [00:36] after installing, run "sudo ubuntu-drivers list" and report what it outputs, if anything [00:36] totally get that but I don't expected a security patch to the kernel to change enough to break the OSS driver [00:37] it doesn't have to be a security patch, may be a bug fix, too, or a stable release upgrade. either way it should not introduce a regression. [00:37] tomreyn, I can tell you that know, it shows the 390 prop driver and the OSS. My issue is, something unrelated the the video driver is causing the video driver to go awry [00:38] how can you tell the source of the issue is unrelated to the video driver? [00:39] my usual install process is to install Ubuntu with updates and get it stable there regardless of the issues around prop drivers and then see if I can get the prop drivers to do the more advanced stuff [00:39] right now I don't even card if I can get the prop drivers installed [00:39] ah, makes sense, good approach [00:40] "I don't even card"? [00:40] care* [00:40] oh [00:41] so when the video gets bad, does thishappen right at boot, or only when the graphical desktop starts? [00:41] there is a known issue with the touchpad that i need to build and test a custom kernel for but that is tricky if you don't have a stable-ish repeatable install === bildramer1 is now known as bildramer [00:41] sure. [00:42] as far as I can tell right now, it is post grub boot [00:43] you could install all the pending updates and reboot and then access grub and select the recovery boot from 'advanced' [00:43] then we could get some logs and get an idea of what may be going wrong [00:43] could anyone suggest a channel for scripting help [00:43] you could also post dmesg now that things are still working [00:43] openjeff: scripting what? [00:44] the reason I suspect that it is part of an update-initramfs process is because once it starts happening it happens to all the kernel options (if I am lucky, I can still get to a propmpt of some sort using the recovery mode) [00:44] might be a stupid question but im trying to have my own script take input while launching the script [00:44] kinda like how a lot of commands are run [00:44] having a tough time googling this though [00:45] tomreyn, I have tried all sorts of things, once the issue occurs, they only way to get any level of control is through the recovery mode [00:45] Stormmore: hmm that's interesting. maybe then try the !hwe kernel as well, to see if it works better with nouveau on your hardware. [00:45] tried the HWE too [00:45] openjeff: bash? python? javascript? what kind of scripting [00:45] bash [00:46] I am pretty comprehensive in my testing [00:46] #bash [00:46] simple enough, TY [00:46] I am doing a `apt install --upgrade linux-generic right now [00:47] sorry its been a long long time since I been on freenode [00:47] Stormmore: this sounds more like you may need to look for a firmware / bios upgrade and maybe could try booting in compatibility support mode rather than uefi just to introduce some variance. [00:47] s/booting/installing/ [00:48] tomreyn, I would agree with you except for 1) it works in the Live CD / initial boot, pre-update and 2) the inconsistency between getting output on an external monitor and a poor resolution on the laptop screen. [00:50] Sorry, I didn't follow all the dialogue, but Stormmore, are you updating the kernel at any point in this process? And it sounds like you're using nouveau by default? [00:50] Stormmore: i understand the hesitation, it is an unusual set of inudications. if you like, post dmesg and maybe i can provide more suggestions based on it. [00:51] oceanquake, I am "slowing down" the process as we speak - install complete w/o updates, now updating just the kernel [00:52] Stormmore: so it works OK prior to any updates? [00:52] tomreyn, there is also the fact that other people are running other distros quite happily (and some I assume are running Ubuntu or some cousin) [00:52] oceanquake, looks that way [00:53] Stormmore: with nvidia/nouveau, and newer graphics chipsets, kernel and mesa can be issues. Esp. with nvidia, I wouldn't assume nouveau from newer kernel should work better than older kernel. [00:56] from what i understood it also happens with the same base kernel version, just newer patches [00:57] oceanquake, yeah looking like that is my current problem, stock kernel (4.15.0-20) seems to be working right now but the upgraded (4.15.0-43) one loses the internal monitor (well it detects it but the output is blank [00:57] Stormmore: i seconf tomreyn's suggestion to make sure you are running the latest bios [00:57] but I haven't updated anything other than the kernel at this point [00:57] IMMO that's a regression you should file as a bug [00:57] *second [00:58] "ubuntu-bug linux" [00:59] ducasse, would be nice, and I know there is at least one issue (which is actually fixed in 4.20 kernel too) that a BIOS update would fix but not an option. [00:59] bios update is not an option because ? windows only? [01:02] tomreyn, not something we like to push publically when there are kernal fixes that can handle it in a safer manor then a firmware fix [01:03] i hope "we" is not an OEM there [01:05] razersupport.com only seems to list a "master guide" document download, no bios updates, so i guess it's actually OEM? [01:06] yup [01:06] I used to have a boyfriend named "Ubuntu" once. [01:06] He'd "play the bongos" on my ass [01:06] (he was black) [01:06] !ot | sholby [01:06] sholby: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [01:06] but like I said I don't think my issue issue BIOS fixable since others with different distros can get this to work [01:07] please do file a bug, and consider kernel bisecting then [01:08] Stormmore: You say the kernel was upgraded; does the system still boot fine with the originally installed kernel version? [01:08] I am not sure it is a bug though either, I suspect config [01:08] TJ-, at this point yes, the previous one with just the kernel updated is working but the updated kernel has video issues [01:10] Stormmore: OK, so, when it it 'fails' does the system get far enough to have been logging to journal, so we can boot from the good kernel and grab the log? [01:11] TJ-, actually no idea, let me have a look at the log right now [01:11] Stormmore: if the system is currently booted with the good kernel, "journalctl --list-boots" and then you can examine prior boots with "journalctl -b -1" etc === daniel is now known as Guest30268 === zenguy is now known as coffeeguy [01:17] Stormmore: once you find the appropriate log, then "journalctl -b -X -p warning" might help filter the useful messages [01:19] TJ-: journalctl: invalid option -- 'X' [01:19] tomreyn: it's a placeholder for the number, silly :D [01:19] oops [01:20] handy [01:22] going to do a fresh boot cause it is hard to tell if I am reading the right one [01:23] even with -p warning it is 1500+ lines [01:24] Stormmore: those sound like the ones we should see! [01:24] Stormmore: if you've more than around 10 there's something wrong :) [01:25] oh TJ- right now the sit is the that internal monitor won't come on with the new kernel so I can check from this one... should be journalctl -p warning right? [01:25] external monitor is currently working [01:25] Stormmore: add in the "-b 0" for 'this boot' [01:25] Stormmore: otherwise you'll get other service logs after boot completed [01:30] getting a really noisey gdm-xsession (NOUVEU) log, a few Link training failed errors coming from the kernel, CPU throttling, which isn't too surprising on this beast [01:30] i have nautilis as a file manager.... how do you make it show direcorties at the top? [01:31] zap0: what's it showing now [01:31] alphabeticall [01:31] OK I think we are making progress, thanks TJ-. Looking at the last 2 boots, it would appear that it has to do with the Link Training error [01:31] zap0: oh, do you see a column 'type'? [01:31] no [01:32] ah.. found it [01:32] thanks. [01:34] well done [01:38] Hello! Is there a way to start the `konsole` program, and pass it a command, and tell it *not* to close? For some reason it auto closes. I also tried with --fork, whatever it actually does. [01:38] Or, maybe it's xy, so - lets say I have a script, which displays some stuff in a loop, kind of a monitor, how to start it with a terminal or gui, in a terminal (I use konsole). So it stays there and ... works? [01:40] konrados: --noclose ? [01:40] I'm sure you can make it wait via the shell script also [01:42] matsaman, haha yes! Somehow I missed that, thank you! [01:42] konrados: 'help read' [01:43] I found qt5-fsarchiver, it works. but it is ridic to read things like "secret area".... and it cant restore 1mb MBR over network. lol! [01:43] https://askubuntu.com/questions/46627/how-can-i-make-a-script-that-opens-terminal-windows-and-executes-commands-in-the#comment-888480 [01:44] have a funny feeling I am hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1797881 [01:44] Launchpad bug 1797881 in linux (Ubuntu) "Display goes blank soon after boot on dell xps13 on linux-image-4.18.0-10-generic" [Medium,Confirmed] [01:46] we have no means to tell [01:46] Ok, so my system 16.04 wont let me upgrade to 18.04. It says that I have to update first, which I have, but I get this problem about some python stuff. Can you help me resolve this issue? Here is a pastebin of the issue. https://pastebin.com/BwzKRxX4 [01:47] kilde: did you "sudo apt update" beforehand? [01:48] you seem to have an incompatible python repository configured [01:48] tomreyn: yes I did [01:49] remove this repository, downgrade python packages, try again [01:50] OK next test is going to be the hwe kernel [01:54] Hi tomreyn. Mind continuing to try to help me get all the way through running with the encrypted volumes? [01:55] tomreyn: can you walk me through it please? [01:56] kilde: "apt-cache policy" shows your active repositories [01:57] you can share the output by appending: | pastebinit [01:57] oceanquake: the part where you reduce things from two to one password prompt? if so, i couldn't really, haven't done it myself, yet. [01:58] :( same issue with the updated HWE kernel, I just don't get why the stock kernel works but no other [01:58] Stormmore: sounds like it needa a git-bisect if the problem seems to be a regression [01:59] So one thing I think I missed is noted in https://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/ - it looks like to avoid getting prompted after GRUB, I will need to have a keyfile associated with the root volume and have it available in the initrd? [02:00] i.e., the unlocked luks volume is not kept open when transferring control to the initrd? [02:00] TJ-, yeah which would suck, it is bad enough that LTS is 5 minor versions behind what I really need just for the trackpad but this inconsistency isn't good at all [02:00] Stormmore: when you say HWE kernel, you mean to say you are actually using the proprietary nvidia driver? [02:01] no oceanquake, just installed the linux-generic-hwe-18.04 package === coffeeguy is now known as zenguy [02:02] So I'm confused as to how that would be enough to change the behavior; if the problem is with nouveau, then isn't the key here to switch off of nouveau? [02:03] that is my confusion too [02:04] oceanquake: this is correct -> it looks like to avoid getting prompted after GRUB, I will need to have a keyfile associated with the root volume and have it available in the initrd? [02:04] tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/Tgpy9Mn2 [02:04] oceanquake: grub doesn't know how to talk to the kernel, or to dmcrypt-luks, in a way that it could safely pass over the passphrase you entered. [02:05] tomreyn: it would seem to be a matter of passing the open luks "session" over to the kernel, but I guess that's not possible (at least not as of now)? That was posted in 2014 and I'm wondering if anything has changed. web searches aren't turning anything up though. [02:06] oceanquake: i guess nouveau should, ideally, if they can get enough documentation to get it done, work by itself to at least provide an unaccelerated video output. [02:07] Stormmore: so I guess what I'm saying is, if you try changing over from nouveau to the proprietary nvidia driver, does this problem remain or go away? Just installing the hwe package is probably not enough. [02:07] Usually PCIe link training errors are due to hardware problems [02:07] It can also be caused by different generations of PCIe between controller chipset and device [02:08] i would be surprised if this was possible. I doubt grub folks are willing to work on code to allow for such. tomreyn: it would seem to be a matter of passing the open luks "session" over to the kernel, but I guess that's not possible (at least not as of now)? That was posted in 2014 and I'm wondering if anything has changed. web searches aren't turning anything up though. [02:08] oceanquake, that so far has guaranteed that I will be using "recovery mode" [02:08] TJ-, then explain what stock works [02:09] Stormmore: you mean if you go to the nvidia driver it always ends up with you in recovery mode? [02:09] Stormmore: I'm going to place a bet, that it is caused by a CP firmware bug in ACPI, and that tighter ACPI implementation in kernel (which is an ongoing process) is surfacing the problem [02:09] guaranteed for me anyway [02:09] kilde: looking now, sorry. [02:09] Stormmore: And that makes me wonder if acpi_osi is a workaround for this. See http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html [02:10] Stormmore: what about a newer kernel + nvidia driver? [02:10] it is funny you mention ACPI, yes I have seen ACPI errors but I am seeing the same no matter what kernel version I am booting [02:10] oceanquake, the HWE kernel is 4.18.0-13 [02:11] kilde: which repository does "apt-cache policy python-laditools" reoprt this package version 1.1.0-2 comes from? [02:13] Stormmore: yeah, could be it needs a newer kernel than that. [02:15] it is funny you mention ACPI, yes I have seen ACPI errors but I am seeing the same no matter what kernel version I am booting [02:15] oceanquake, which would totally eliminate Ubuntu from being acceptable to install our these systems [02:17] Stormmore: well, I'm taking a guess given that this is a new machine; I could be wrong with that guess, but it's what I would try to see if this is a matter of a recognized bug that has been addressed. [02:17] it isn't that new [02:17] the Blade 15 came out at the beginning of last year [02:18] kilde: all of your repositories' carry the "xenial" release name, so they at least claim to be compatible, but these package dependencies make it look like that's not the case. [02:18] i include linux/fs.h then also gcc says that NR_OPEN undeclared use in main function [02:18] worse part we tried to reach out to Canonical then to try and collaborate on getting it working but got nothing but crickets [02:18] tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/NfHAQ9Ej [02:18] Stormmore: ok, understand. Nonetheless if you have observed the problem to be sensitive to kernel version (as you have), then it's worth seeing if it's still present on very recent kernels. [02:19] hey guys, I installed ubuntu server, and I want to make it boot without waiting for the network connection to start first, how do I do this? [02:19] it waits an unlimited amount of time for ethernet connection to come up [02:19] Stormmore: whether those kernels are acceptable for the situation or not is a different question, but at least you can determine if it's been fixed anywhere or needs a bugreport. [02:20] I installed ubuntu server becuase ubiquity for some reason crashes with lubuntu, so I installed lubuntu-desktop package on top of it, but I need it to boot without a wired connection [02:20] oceanquake, totally and the plan is to custom compile a kernel for this machine but I need a consistent install and update process to handle that [02:20] Unfortunate about Canonical; wish I could help more with that. [02:21] kilde: oh, you actually have packages which are older than those in 16.04, interesting [02:21] you would think having working for them, I could have being able to facilitate that a bit better but no joy :-/ [02:22] In general, I'm not quite sure what keeps Canonical afloat. [02:22] kilde: can you run this: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages [02:23] oh this is interesting, so I just "blacklisted" Nouveau using modprobe's blacklist [02:23] I certainly wish them the best; seems like we could use more full-time Free SW/Linux people doing the necessary, but unsexy work. [02:24] and now I have no external, black screen on my internal and CTRL+ALT+F(x) / CTRL+FN+ALT+F(x) not working [02:25] but that kinda makes sense since the HDMI port is connected to the nvidia card [02:25] OK, so assuming I associate a keyfile with the rootvol, what is the means by which it gets used by initramfs? I thought those files were only copied over if they were in crypttab, but that crypttab was not for root vol? [02:26] sorry, initramd [02:26] kilde: please show the forign_packages output in the current state,m then disable your ppas (all of them) and run it again and post the output again [02:27] oceanquake: you need an entry in /etc/crypttab for it that includes the keyfile; also, you need to edit /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook and set KEYFILE_PATTERN= - I have it as /etc/luks/*.keyfile [02:28] so something with the Intel i915 driver maybe? [02:29] TJ-: need an entry for the root vol you mean? I did discover the /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook issue previously so that part is at least set. [02:30] oceanquake: an entry for whatever block device is LUKS encrypted, yes [02:30] Stormmore: /var/log/gpu-manager.log give any hints ? [02:30] TJ-: OK, got it, let me do this. [02:30] oceanquake: during mkinitramfs if that device is determined to be needed to get to the root file-system the relevant bits will be added [02:31] Messing about with the GPU drivers isn't going to help if the issue is PCIe link training errors, since there is no reliable path to the GPU [02:32] I'm in rescue mode. and chrooting the system. While installing the system I got grub installation error. and I rebooted after completing other parts. [02:33] so now how do I know if my ESP is oaky. and yeah I don't have other system to watch out for some guide. and I'm living in far away areas. [02:33] @Bashing-om maybe? I have 2 "The device is not bound to any driver" with "Error: can't access /sys/bus/devices//driver" errors and a few "Error : Failed to open /dev/dri" in there right now [02:34] AK: have you mounted proc sys dev dev/pts run into the chroot? === daniel is now known as Guest89068 [02:34] TJ-: no I just mounted /home after I unlocked the encrypted container. and now I mounted /home too [02:35] sorry, mounted / after unlocking the container [02:35] Stormmore: And we are back to TJ-'s concern "20:31 < TJ->" // Is above my skill level to know. [02:36] Hello, I am on latest LTS and have the need to change the LXD/LXD container location from /var to /media due to space restrictions. Do you know how to do this? [02:36] and now the vm which contains my home to /home [02:36] LXC* [02:36] AK: Is the system currently using the a LiveISO boot to try to fix it? [02:36] yeah I just booted from a livecd. [02:36] and then chrooted. [02:37] TJ-, I am think there is an incompatible setting in the gpus config that is causing it to fail training [02:37] AK: so far the things you've said all conflict. You said its in rescue mode. Then you said its chrooting. Now you mentioned a VM? [02:37] Stormmore: as I told you a while back; Try acpi_osi [02:38] by vm I meant virtual thing which lvm creates lol [02:38] oh I think I missed that [02:38] AK Oh! You mean LVM - logical volume management :) [02:38] yeah [02:38] Stormmore: And that makes me wonder if acpi_osi is a workaround for this. See http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html [02:39] kilde: still working on it? [02:39] TJ-: I'm not good with graphical installers. so pardon [02:39] AK: Right, so you've got a LiveISO booted and the target system is LUKs encrypted with LVM [02:40] yeah I created 2 partitions one unencrypted for ESP 512M and rest of the disk is LUKS over lvm [02:40] let's give it a try eh? [02:40] I think I'm missing something like docryptlvm or something [02:40] AK: so open a terminal, and do "sudo apt install pastebinit" so you'll be able to share reports with us [02:41] TJ-: I just installed tmux and it says server lost. is the tmux error or my configs? does it work in console mode too? [02:41] Nexilva: have you tried a symlink, or to mout to the container location in /var ? [02:41] *mouNt [02:41] I mean in virtual consoles it works? [02:42] AK: Yes, but are you telling us the LiveISO isn't working in GUI mode? [02:42] tomreyn: here it is https://pastebin.com/nTjbUu7k [02:42] Someone somewhere mentioned that there is some lxd.conf in etc. I did dpkg -L on whatever lxd packages seemed reasonable, and I can't see it. The only otehr option is to as root mv the /var/lib/lxd directory to /media/lxd and make a symlink? [02:42] Can you explain please the difference in symlink and bound mount? [02:43] not looking good :-/ [02:44] I just did chroot /target /bin/zsh so I think I dont need tmux [02:44] from other terminal [02:44] My goal is to install a container and then install Haskell in it, isolated from my main system [02:44] vconsole [02:44] Haskell takes quite a few GB and my SSD is tight on space, hence the need to move LXD to mechanical drive. [02:45] I read that the path is hard coded and you have to requild and provide a ./configure option [02:45] That seems rather long winded. I wonder what is the most reliable/safest solution [02:45] TJ-: ask me what info you need? [02:46] Has anybody used Xephyr oaver ssh to nest an X11 server? [02:46] AK: show us "pastebinit <( uname -a; cat /etc/issue; lsblk -f; cat /proc/mounts )" [02:46] what's the terminus font called ? I cant see [02:46] *over? [02:46] phait0: long time ago. But I just use ssh -X now. [02:47] phait0: what's your real question? [02:47] Nexilva: I know I can forward an application that way; can I run xinit in the same way? [02:47] What are you ultimately trying to accomplish? [02:48] Run Xorg in a remote location entirely within Xypher? [02:48] Eliminate the need for a vnc/spice server + client and run a headless qemu/kvm instance [02:48] phait0: i know a pretty easy way to do that if you discard X entirely. [02:49] ryuo: do tell [02:49] Ha. [02:49] TJ-: https://ptpb.pw/-V9K [02:49] phait0: qemu has a method of emulating a serial port. you can use that to enable direct network access to that. [02:49] AK "status: not found" [02:50] lemme check [02:50] to provide a way of accessing the VM even if its networking is screwed up. [02:50] TJ-: https://ptpb.pw/-V9k [02:51] ryuo: my serial-port-fu is beginner level; what utilities am i using to facilitate this connection? [02:51] phait0: well, it depends how you set it up. [02:51] the last K is not capital. sorry I chose ptpb cos I can't type long urls (maybe pastebinit create long urls) [02:51] kilde: this should solve the dependencies issues and get you ready to upgrade - but you may need to reboot yet (only if "uname -r" suggests you are currently running kernel 3.19.0-77-lowlatency) : sudo apt purge python-openssl libgif5 libnfs1 libgcrypt11 linux-image-3.19.0-77-lowlatency libdvdcss-dev libdvdcss2 libcrossguid1 libshairplay0 unetbootin unetbootin-translations ttf-mscorefonts-installer; sudo apt remove upwork zoom [02:51] mfc6490cwlpr:i386 mfc6490cwcupswrapper:i386 brscan-skey brscan3 [02:51] phait0: you can have qemu open a telnet server and use a telnet client to access it. this is unencrypted, so there may be data leaks for anything you send over it. [02:52] kilde: note this series of commands was spread across two lines [02:52] AK: did you run those commands inside the chroot ? [02:52] yes [02:52] ok so backed out the changes and just have the acpi_osi enabled. on the HWE it didn't do anything [02:52] AK: So the installation is not Ubuntu, it is Debian [02:52] TJ-: yeah its my first ever installation of debian [02:52] AK: or are you using a Debian liveISO for the host? [02:53] no I'm installing Debian [02:53] phait0: other option, you can have it allocate a pty and connect to it from a serial program from the host. [02:53] AK: We don't/can't support Debian in this channel, you need to ask in #debian I think it is [02:53] #debian channel I got no response so came here. [02:53] phait0: install xserver-xepher and setup ssh keys, disable passwords, enable `X11Forwardes yes` in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. start up Xephyr like this locally: `Xephyr :1 -screen 800x600 -resizeable &` . Then something like `DISPLAY=:1 ssh -Y @` [02:53] phait0: this would be... where minicom or picocom come into play. [02:54] !who Nexilva [02:54] AK: Ubuntu and Debian do things very differently in many significant ways [02:54] !who | Nexilva [02:54] Nexilva: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :) [02:54] phait0: serial consoles are old school, but it's a way of getting access to a server when its networking is offline. it's like having access to a KVM setup. [02:54] tomreyn: well worth the three spam messages... [02:54] TJ-: I think for bootloader insallation all the os are same [02:55] I just came here to ask for assistance.. [02:55] AK: You think wrong, Ubuntu has different GRUB scripts [02:55] did I not say his name? [02:55] matsaman: well worth the one spam message [02:55] I literally just said his name in the instructions I provided. [02:55] :) [02:55] I didn;t run grub script. I just tried to install it once. I thought I'll uninstall it once I'm in X [02:55] AK: and Ubuntu's UEFI installation is different [02:56] ryuo: can you expand a bit more on how that would work? [02:56] I created two entries using efibootmgr but both failed [02:56] don't know why [02:56] tomreyn: some counting problems on your end [02:56] phait0: which part? [02:56] matsaman: I think it's a mall cop. [02:57] Nexilva: yeah [02:57] matsaman: let's discuss in -offtopic if you have a relevant message. [02:57] Nexilva: I'm going to give that a shot; I was using "ssh -X user@192.168.122.101 Xephyr :1 -query localhost -screen 1280x1024 [02:57] It's reasonable to employ /ignore. [02:57] phait0: you were almost there :) [02:58] the "interesting" part of this, I am not even seeing the splash screen [02:58] Nexilva: old uncommented script :) [02:58] tomreyn: hang on let me try a few times to find the approprate bot msg to waste everyone's time in response to you [02:58] TJ-: OK, so before I cut a new initrd, I'm going back over /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot ; I'm using the guide at: https://turlucode.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-16-04-on-surface-book-2/ . Unlike that case, my cryptroot is within an LVM logical vol. The line looks the same as in that post, but rather than "CryptDisk", my target= is set to the name of the volume under /dev/mapper after crypttab processing is done. UUID is the UUID of the [02:58] corresponding crypto_LUKS LVM volume, not the post /dev/mapper UUID [02:58] !ot | matsaman [02:58] matsaman: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [02:59] tomreyn: hey, you stole my bot spam, wait your turn [02:59] matsaman: he's that guy. Every channel has one. Just ignore. No need to engage. === AK is now known as Abdullah [02:59] matsaman: when you want to be as useful to the channel as tomreyn, being as obnoxious as you are might be within your leeway. [02:59] The price for sanity in society is a certain level of alienation. :) [02:59] matsaman, Nexilva stop trolling, keep this channel free for support, thanks [02:59] OerHeks: ditto. [03:00] oceanquake: when I want to be as useful as tomreyn I'll be sure to precede all my messages with ! [03:00] oceanquake: crypttab just needs entries for the encrypted block device whereever that is, the initramfs-tools hook/scripts figure out what is needed [03:00] OerHeks: keep your insults to yourself [03:00] I literally said the guys name, as i provided him instructions he can use, and you're botspamming multiple times to instruct me to say his name. [03:01] Either you're seriously trolling or you have trouble reading or you honestly just missed that I said his name. [03:01] Stop now. And focus on support. Thank you. [03:01] wow, it just gets weirder [03:02] TJ-: yes, crypttab is setup, but I also need to set up /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot before executing update-initramfs , correct? [03:04] oceanquake: Not that I've noticed and I've been using LUKs for over a decade! Which Ubuntu release are you using? 16.04 or 18.04 ? [03:04] TJ-: 18.04 . So I really don't need to bother with that file? [03:05] so tried "i915.modeset=0" and just had my screen go crazy with Starting User Manager, Session, creating a User Slice for gdm. then cleaning up those some 52 times and no X session (Can get to a TTY though) [03:05] oceanquake: no, just set /etc/crypttab and /etc/crytpsetup-initramfs/conf-hook and do "update-initramfs -u " [03:06] oceanquake: if you use "update-initramfs -vu |& tee /tmp/initrd.log" you can review what was installed after, too [03:09] oceanquake: if you want to see what it looks like, see the 'build' script "Configuring cryptsetup and initialramfs" here http://iam.tj/projects/raid-vm/ [03:11] TJ-: looking at the log, should I see any obvious entries mentioning luks? [03:11] oceanquake: "cryptsetup" and "crypt" are my search keys for that [03:11] I'll run it here and share the log [03:13] oceanquake: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8D7bDR3vvy/ [03:14] TJ-: OK, doesn't seem to show the actual keyfiles being copied in. [03:14] TJ-: that matches what I saw on mine. [03:15] oceanquake: you see the "Calling hook cryptroot-unlock" ? [03:15]