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willcookemorning all06:35
jibelMorning willcooke06:53
willcookebonjour jibel06:53
willcookeca va?06:53
jibelwillcooke, ça va bien et toi?06:53
willcookebien!06:55
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:00
willcookehi oSoMoN!  Thanks for the screenshot07:01
oSoMoNhey willcooke! you're welcome07:01
willcookeoSoMoN, so far, so good :)07:02
oSoMoNgood :)07:03
dufluMorning willcooke, jibel, oSoMoN07:17
duflu(Europe for now)07:17
jibelhi duflu07:17
willcookehi duflu, good afternoon07:20
willcookebattery low, bbiab07:20
didrocksgood morning07:21
dufluHi didrocks07:22
didrockshey duflu07:29
oSoMoNhey duflu, salut jibel & didrocks07:30
didrockssalut oSoMoN07:45
jibelHello oSoMoN07:50
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seb128good morning desktopers08:41
didrockssalut seb12808:41
seb128lut didrocks, en forme ?08:42
didrocksça va, et toi ?08:42
seb128nickel08:48
willcookeseb128, you still OK to run the meeting today?08:55
willcookeI will send out the reminder08:55
seb128willcooke, hey, sure, thx for sending the reminder :)08:56
TrevinhoMorning08:58
seb128hey trevinho, how are you?08:58
seb128what are you doing on european time? ;)08:58
Trevinhoseb128: hey I'm good ;)08:59
didrocksmorning willcooke, Trevinho08:59
Trevinhowell, as the weekend I've been skiing I had to get up early and so I got used 😅08:59
Trevinhodidrocks: hi, morning you too09:00
Trevinhoseb128: ah the bileto with dbus test runner including Laney's change is ready for your final approval09:01
seb128trevinho, url?09:01
seb128trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/dbus-test-runner/no-werror/+merge/352238 didn't get reviewed/approved, we need that before landing09:01
Trevinhoseb128: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/357409:02
seb128I understand the removed reference to Werror but it's not clear to me if the new dbus_test_task_prepare() symbol and the code changes are part of the "no Werror"09:02
seb128sorry, https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/dbus-test-runner/no-werror/+merge/361756 now09:03
Trevinhoseb128: I did review Laney's one on the fly of adapting it, no mayor change since that... but by reviewing I meant that too09:04
seb128well, you didn't comment, landing is going to fail if the MP is not approved09:05
Trevinhoseb128: having an extra commit could be better though09:05
seb128also as said I don't understand if the code changes are part of that, it feels like they should be a separate commit/explained09:05
seb128let me comment on the mp saying that09:05
Laneyi'm innocent09:05
Trevinhoyes... I mean I just prepared the code...09:05
Laneystop pinging me about this old MP09:06
TrevinhoLaney: never!09:06
Trevinhogood morning09:06
Trevinhobut no prescription exists here :-D09:06
didrocksLaney never looked that innocent, it's suspicious09:06
seb128hey Laney :)09:07
LaneyMUHAHAH09:07
Laneywhat's up09:07
Trevinhoyou've to split that diff 😘09:10
Laneynot going to do that09:11
LaneyI don't even know what it is09:11
Laneydelete it09:11
Trevinho:'(09:12
LaneyI would at least remove/improve all those g_debug()09:14
Laneydid I really write this?09:14
Laneyvery confusing09:14
TrevinhoLaney: you were young...09:16
seb128Laney, trevinho, in we don't remember/understand the side changes let's drop those and just do the Werror thing?09:16
Laneythat's what I jus said09:16
TrevinhoI was about to say the same09:16
Laney:>09:22
seb128so we all agree, good :)09:23
seb128Trevinho, I can press the landing button once it's ready, just give me a ping09:45
Trevinhoseb128: thanks, it's building right now09:45
andyrockmorning all!10:09
seb128hey andyrock! how are you?10:12
andyrockhey seb128, in the office \o/10:13
andyrockcame here in case I need a multi-head setup to reproduce the lockscreen issue on cosmic10:14
andyrockseb128: you?10:14
seb128oh, nice, enjoy the cookies :-)10:14
seb128I'm good, did some reviews/sponsoring this morning to start the day!10:15
andyrockI also came here for the free coffee 😂10:16
willcooke:D10:16
Trevinhoseb128: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3574 ready for your publish button press10:17
seb128trevinho, done10:19
dufluTrevinho, I'm noticing GC runs are still using 20-70% of my CPU during short profiling intervals. Do you think bumping the GC interval from 10s to 5m would hurt?10:33
dufluIt should yield 30x lower CPU overhead assuming there's not much to collect10:34
dufluCorrection: "20-70%" of gnome-shell's total usage, which isn't large10:34
willcookelunch, l8r10:35
Trevinhoduflu: mh... Maybe a bit less, but should not too much10:48
dufluTrevinho, I want at least one order of magnitude improvement and ideally two. So that means 100s - 1000s10:51
dufluBut not today. I am done for today10:52
dufluSo the long term power usage will be lower, AND it won't cloud performance profiles10:53
dufluOh well. Night...10:55
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andyrockI think I found the issue with the lockscreen12:49
andyrock\o/12:49
Laney:D12:50
seb128andyrock, well done!13:06
Nafalloo/13:31
Nafallomeeting?13:31
Laney1 hour13:31
Nafallohmmmm13:32
Nafalloyes.13:32
Nafallohrmpf. my calendar on my phone set the meeting to 14:30. on the computer it's 15:3014:01
Nafallohow annoying...14:01
seb128Nafallo, Ubuntu on the computer?14:07
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seb128it's meeting time!14:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2019-01-1514:30
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Nafalloseb128: ... do you even need to ask? ;-)14:30
Nafalloo/14:30
seb128Nafallo, it means Ubuntu 1 - 0 you-phone-OS14:30
NafalloI blame Office 365 :-p14:31
seb128Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out), laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)14:31
didrockséhey14:31
Laneyáhi14:31
jbichahey14:31
Trevinhoo/14:31
oSoMoNo/14:31
andyrocko/14:32
seb128sorry, was reading the late updates from the hub :)14:33
seb128k, so bugs reviews14:34
seb12818.04.2 is getting close so now is time to focus on issues that need to land in that version14:34
seb128#topic rls bugs review14:34
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Nafalloseb128: do we have a date yet? :-)14:34
seb128* disco, http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html / http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:34
seb128Nafallo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule14:35
seb128feb 7th according to that14:35
Nafallothanks14:35
seb128the disco list has no incoming and the tracking list are either assigned or fix commited14:36
seb128* cosmic, http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html / http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:36
seb128no incoming14:36
seb128tracking seems on shape14:37
seb128* bionic14:37
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html is empty14:37
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:37
seb128bug #1745032 is unassigned, I'm going to take it14:37
ubot5bug 1745032 in upower (Ubuntu) "AC adapter status not detected on Asus ZenBook UX410UAK" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174503214:37
seb128(it's an OEM request so I think it's fair it's targetted)14:38
Trevinhofoundation?14:38
seb128Trevinho, you mean?14:38
seb128we look at the desktop section14:38
TrevinhoI mean doesn't seem something related to our packages, more something lowlevel no?14:39
seb128upower is owned by us and there are gnome-control-center/gnome-shell changes14:39
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seb128no, I think it's fine that desktop own this one14:39
seb128it's basically adding a new status to upower (which we own) and using that status in the GNOME UI14:39
Trevinhoah, ok... I saw now the comment14:39
seb128other one is bug #1811225 which I guess is for tjaalton14:40
ubot5bug 1811225 in mesa (Ubuntu Bionic) "Mesa 18.2.8 stable release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181122514:40
TrevinhoI can include it in the g-s landing I was preparing if you want14:40
seb128tjaalton, you aim at having that in 18.04.2?14:40
seb128Trevinho, yes please, also Daniel had some fixes he wanted included that he commented about on the hub weekly post, but I guess you are aware of those/are looking at them?14:41
seb128k, so I think that was it for the reviews14:42
Trevinhoyep, not sure we wanted to have the landing with the XUbuntuCancel thing + more things.14:42
seb128I'm going to chase status update for some of the rls-bb-tracking bugs but after the meeting, I don't think we need to do that with everyone blocked14:42
Trevinhothat was also targetted for .214:42
seb128Trevinho, my gut feeling is that it's not important enough/too late for .214:42
seb128we got 0 user reports about it14:43
seb128so not the most important thing probably14:43
seb128wdyt?14:43
Trevinhowell it was bb tracking since ever xD, so you see why it wasn't higher prio for me too :D14:43
Trevinhobut well, since it's there it's a bit annoying to rebase everytime14:43
Trevinhobut I can do it if you prefer to keep it separated14:43
seb128right, well let's do a landing for .2 targetted fix14:44
seb128and then land that directly after14:44
Trevinhoas per the g-s landing, I've asked again upstream a new release, but again... nothing.14:44
seb128:(14:44
seb128gnome-shell upstream is a bit of a frustation still :/14:44
seb128unsure how we can resolve that though14:44
Trevinhook, I'll prepare a silo with everything then, then you'll reupload.14:44
seb128anyway, not a topic for that meeting, maybe one for fosdem over beer14:45
seb128thx14:45
Trevinho*much beer14:45
tjaaltonseb128: yes14:45
Laneyor never14:45
seb128anyway14:46
seb128#topic AOB14:46
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seb128other topics?14:46
seb128I use that section to say it again, 18.04.2 is getting close, if you have fixes that need to be in there/you think should be in there, now is time to get them uploaded14:46
didrocksnothing for me14:47
Laneyyeah, wanted to start thinking about updating to gnome 3.32 at some point14:47
tkamppeterThe Bionic SRU bug 1804576 is stuck on openjdk-8, perhaps this should get an exception.14:48
ubot5bug 1804576 in cups (Ubuntu Cosmic) "MaxJobTime=0 results in jobs being cancelled immediately instead of never" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180457614:48
seb128tkamppeter, is openjdk-8 creating problem for cups? or just for the test? (in which case we can probably convince the SRU team to unblock cups)14:48
seb128Laney, on 3.32 my opinion would be "those who are doing active work on a component and want to update it, feel free"14:49
seb128I don't think we need to fear gtk4 depends at this point, I doubt it's a think for 3.32 now14:50
Laneyyou mean having a random mix of versions?14:50
seb128I would stay away from updating things nobody is actively looking at until .9014:50
seb128well14:50
seb128I wouldn't bother updating e.g games14:50
seb128but if you/trevinho wants to jump on 3.31 for shell/nautilus/etc it sounds good to me14:51
seb128I'm happy to look at g-c-c/g-s-d (also maybe Robert is interested by that one as well since he has been quite active upstream recently)14:51
seb128well, just my 2 cents14:51
Trevinhonot that I've plenty of time, but I can14:51
tkamppeterseb128, there is no complaint/bug report of someone having problems with openjdk and CUPS, it is just the test.14:51
seb128everyone know what they have on their plates, if you want to do 3.31 updates feel free14:52
TrevinhoI'd give prio to the SRU first, then we see14:52
seb128just don't do mass updates to an intermediate version to not look at bugs/keep up with fixes and/or updates then14:52
jbichawe'll need to get libhandy MIR'd for at least gnome-control-center (it's a library from Purism for responsive UI)14:52
seb128tkamppeter, k, let me talk to the SRU team14:52
seb128jbicha, I though it was bundled and the copy used by default if the dep is not available?14:52
seb128which was the recommended way atm14:53
jbichaoh yeah, we can do that for 3.3214:53
jbichawhether that is recommended is controversial :)14:53
seb128my understanding from recent #gnome-hackers discussions was that it was the suggested approach atm14:53
didrocksI bet libhandy doesn't have a stable API right now, so sounds curious to use it externally14:53
seb128well, in any case I don't think that MIR blocks us14:53
seb128k14:56
seb128Laney, did you want more input on the topic/does that sound fine to you?14:56
Laneyno, I was mainly looking for any unknown reason why not to do it14:56
Laneythx14:56
seb128np14:57
seb128other topic?14:57
seb128seems not14:58
seb128it's a wrap then!14:58
seb128thank everyone14:58
seb128#endmeeting14:58
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meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-01-15-14.30.moin.txt14:58
oSoMoNthanks!14:58
Laneyoh, we forgot the disco-proposed report14:58
Laneycan we get rid of emacs off our list?14:59
Nafalloemacs the desktop package? *cries*15:01
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seb128oh, ups15:02
seb128sorry about that!15:02
seb128I don't remember what is pulling emacs in15:04
seb128could have to do with tex15:04
seb128which is ours15:04
Laneyhttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/78CXKjsSWW/ would do it15:06
seb128ah :)15:08
seb128I though emacs-common was also one thing needed/pulled it in15:08
seb128willcooke, ^ do you have an opinion about dropping emacs for the supported desktop seed?15:09
willcookeI do15:10
didrocks"finally"15:10
willcooke:)15:10
willcookeIt's a tricky one15:10
willcookelemme ponder it for a bit15:10
seb128k15:10
didrocks(I guess he's joking, isn't he?)15:11
willcookewhat's the package name for tex?15:13
willcookeor more specifically, what's the size impact of having emacs?15:14
willcookeI assume this isn't really a size issue though15:14
andyrockTrevinho: https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/pull/868 do you mind taking a look?15:14
gitbotmicheleg issue (Pull request) 868 in dash-to-dock "theming: Ensure _trackingWindows contains valid windows" [Open]15:14
Trevinhok15:14
andyrockI you give a +1 I'll propose/push to ubuntu-dock too15:14
andyrock*if15:15
andyrockif you got cosmic you can try to reproduce the issue using firefox15:15
seb128andyrock, you finally found the problem then?15:15
andyrockseb128: yep, something that explains why trackingWindow contains invalid windows15:16
seb128willcooke, no, it's the supported seed, we don't ship it on the iso. It's just that it ends up on our list of owned component, so like when autopkgtests fail it's for us to resolve15:16
seb128andyrock, nice job!15:16
andyrockseb128: basically we populate it using a list of windows but we listen for added and removed events on another list15:17
seb128I see15:17
andyrockusually the two list contains the same window15:17
seb128and they happen to be similar most of the time so it usually works? ;)15:17
jbichawillcooke: no size issue. It's just whether Canonical wants emacs to have main support15:17
andyrockwhen dragging firefox tab arounds these two lists are not the same anymore15:18
seb128ah, nice way to trigger it :)15:18
andyrockI guess there are other ways to reproduce15:18
andyrockit's not always the case, but the fix should be the corrent one15:18
andyrocknot a work-around15:19
jbichaGNOME 3.32 should be a pretty nice update: Terminal will finally offer a headerbar and the GNOME3 appmenu is gone (hamburger menus for everyone)15:19
seb128sounds like a bit boring if that's all there is to it :p15:21
jbichalol15:27
willcookeseb128, ah I see.  Well yeah, I dont think it should be outs15:32
willcooke*ours15:32
seb128but do you think it should be in main/official supported by Canonical?15:33
seb128unsure who makes those calls15:33
Laneywhen we dropped evolution we asked support if any customers require it15:34
Laneythey said no, and then I did it15:34
seb128willcooke, ^ can do you do that for emacs?15:36
willcookegood call Laney, I will do that15:36
willcookeyeah15:36
willcookesure thing15:36
seb128thx15:36
seb128want a trello card for it?15:36
Laneymight want to mention to Steve or someone as well in case they want to rescue it for some reason15:36
Laneythx15:37
willcookeyeah I will speak to Steve today too15:37
willcooketoday/tonight/soon15:38
willcookethis week anyway15:38
Laneyhigh five15:42
andyrockTrevinho: plase consider https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/162 for the g-s update16:09
gitbotGNOME issue (Merge request) 162 in mutter "clutter/x11: Implement keycode remap to keysyms on virtual key devices" [1. Bug, 5. Input, Merged]16:09
andyrockit has been finally merged :)16:09
Laneyspam12817:01
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jbichaTrevinho: what new version of gnome-shell were you wanting?17:10
Trevinhojbicha: I want a 3.28.417:34
jbichathen we'll probably need to do it ourselves17:35
jbichaTrevinho: do you have GNOME commit rights yet?17:35
Trevinhojbicha: I do, but I don't think Florian would be happy about17:36
jbichadid you ask him to do 3.28.4 or did you offer to do it? :)17:36
Trevinhonor I'd like to do it if maintainers don't want leave us the control17:37
jbichaare you interesting in doing the release if the maintainers don't object?17:38
jbichahttps://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/91017:47
gitbotGNOME issue 910 in gnome-shell "3.28.4 release" [Opened]17:47
jbichathere's one more thing you'll need: someone with access to master.gnome.org to actually do the tarball upload (as mentioned at the end of https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner/Releasing )17:48
seb128Laney, sorry, wrong time to subscribe to nautilus bugs... :)20:56
Trevinhojbicha: I've master.gnome.org access21:45
Trevinhobut again..21:45
jbichaok21:47
Trevinhojbicha: also florian will do it, but we've no timing for that, so better to go with a snapshot if we've the .2 freeze21:48
jbichayes I see now (he replied on the gitlab issue and I think I can read between the lines)21:49
jbichaare you going to use gbp pq to cherry-pick all the commits or are you going to make a snapshot tarball?21:49
TrevinhoI'd use a tarball...21:50
Trevinhonot sure what's the best way for that given the fact we're using gbp, but for sure they should not be patches21:51
Trevinhoor reviewing will be impossible21:51
Trevinhoso i was thinking to just update the upstream/gnome-3.28 branch and use that21:51
jbichaok21:53
jbichaI'm glad it uses meson since I think it's easier to create tarballs for meson21:53
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Trevinhoindeed21:56
Trevinhothat would imply updating pristine-tar or we can just avoid it for this?21:56
jbichaunless you tell debian/gbp.conf otherwise, the pristine-tar branch is required for people to build your branch21:57
jbichaI've generally just done the gbp pq thing, but admittedly I haven't done an SRU quite like this one21:58
jbichamy closest was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-builder/3.30.1-6ubuntu1 with 30+ commits but it 1) got accepted just before release and 2) is a universe pkg22:00
Trevinhojbicha: would you mind to publish this https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3595 ?23:02

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