[00:21] <sparr_i> I am trying to install 18.10 on my Dell 7490 laptop but the installer can't see the internal hard drive nor can cfdisk. the installer crashes when I try to use the +|-|Change buttons in the partitioning dialog. How can I find/see the drive?
[00:24] <EriC^^> sparr_i: what does "sudo parted -ls" show?
[00:24] <EriC^^> (in a terminal)
[00:27] <OerHeks>  change “SATA Operation” from RAID to AHCI in the BIOS settings, is the most common solution
[00:27] <OerHeks> not sure "nvme_load=YES" as boot option is needed ...
[00:28] <OerHeks> and make sure you have the latest bios version ?
[00:33] <OerHeks> oh, also fast boot needs to be disabled in windows, if installed
[00:41] <parataxis> does anyone know what happened to kwin-wayland-backend-hwcomposer? it's referenced in several places (eg: http://neon.plasma-mobile.org:8080/dists/xenial/main/binary-armhf/Packages) but it doesn't seem to be in the actual package repo for xenial
[00:46] <OerHeks> Removed from disk on 2018-01-22. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/amd64/kwin-wayland-backend-hwcomposer
[00:47] <parataxis> strange
[00:48] <parataxis> removed in armhf too (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/armhf/kwin-wayland-backend-hwcomposer)
[00:48] <parataxis> armhf is where you'd actually want it, having it built for amd64 isn't very useful
[00:51] <parataxis> I'm guessing there's a story behind this but I don't know what it is
[00:52] <OerHeks> put it on askubuntu?
[00:52] <OerHeks> more supporters read that Q&A
[00:57] <parataxis> asked: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1109779/what-happened-to-kwin-wayland-backend-hwcomposer
[01:08] <Nexilva> bash or zsh i should use? I don't know.
[01:08] <Nexilva> my entire config is setup for bash, but I want to try zsh as people say it's much better
[01:09] <parataxis> I used to hear people say zsh is better but now the people who used zsh seem to use fish
[01:09] <parataxis> I still use bash but I also still use gnu screen so
[01:10] <Nexilva> I took 60gb from the end of my /media drive, 1tb wd black, and turned it into a storage pool for lxd/lxc, but it's very slow compared to the ssd I have.
[01:10] <Nexilva> Oh well, I deal with it. I setup Xephyer server locally, sshx11 forwarding in lxc container, and now I can run a gui env. inside it
[01:11] <Nexilva> Trying to check out the upcoming ubuntu
[01:12] <Nexilva> parataxis: I too use GNU screen and I can't seem to get used to tmux. I have the following setup in urxvt and gnu screen and bash: shift+ left/right arrow keys, switch urxvt perl tabbed module, ctlr+left/right switch gnu screen windows, locally or any remote ssh session's, and alt+left/right switches weechat windows
[01:13] <Nexilva> That's why I can't seem to get away. Any other terminal doesn't work right. I tried Terminology and Tilix and etc. but nothing matches up to xterm style emulators
[01:13] <Kilde> Help. Upgrade aborted do to unsigned Kernels. What does this mean?
[01:14] <Nexilva> I tried Tilix, but it doesn't seem to have transparency that I could find. All you can do is specify the same background in __it__ as you have in your background desktop, but then if you open another tile in that terminal, it has that whole background duplicated and smaller, urxvt works best
[01:14] <Nexilva> parataxis: which terminal do you use?
[01:14] <parataxis> terminology
[01:14] <Nexilva> I like enlightenment.
[01:14] <Nexilva> Let me fire it up and see if I can configure to my liking or not
[01:14] <Nexilva> Maybe you know more about it
[01:15] <parataxis> I don't like efl (grep for strlen in the source and be horrified) but terminology works better than the other terminals I've used
[01:15] <parataxis> they've been cleaning it up some now that samsung uses it in all their smart TV's but it's still extremely cowboy
[01:16] <parataxis> I use xfce as my desktop environment
[01:19] <Nexilva> ~Hang on, I had to restart my env. Something screwed up my desktop was goofy
[01:19] <Nexilva> Ok, I got terminology to work and give me transparency so that I can see my background, but the problem is that I can't seem to adjust the transparency level to my desire
[01:20] <Nexilva> Either it's fully transparent, and you cant' see the text, or it's fully black/opaque, and you cant' see the background behind it
[01:20] <Nexilva> I can adjust the slider in settings, but it only has two effects. It isn't adjusting the transparency level by the silder, gradually, there is no in-between, just either opague or fully transparent. I want only 15% transparency and it isn't doing it.
[01:21] <Nexilva> :(
[01:21] <Nexilva> And now that it's fully transparent, I can't right click to get terminolgoy menu, I only get the desktop right click menu, but I'm clicking inside terminology window.
[01:22] <Nexilva> This terminal client seems a bit wonky
[01:23] <Nexilva> alt or shift or ctrl plus click doesn't give me menu in terminology either
[01:24] <Nexilva> Ok, finally the settings menu somehow showed up
[01:25] <Nexilva> I go to settings > video > check "Translucent" and set it to 50%, and I it's still fully 100% transparent.
[01:56]  * JoseAntonio se despide ^^
[02:46] <c4pt00> docker pull c4pt/centos7-cog:latest
[03:27] <Squarism> can you trust packages published on launchpad? Are all sources used to build packages made available? Like, is it a build server or just a file server where people can upload whatever binary
[03:48] <krytarik> Squarism: Build server, yes.
[03:52] <Squarism> krytarik, thanks
[03:54] <ashkitten> hey, how can i make user journals readable by the appropriate users?
[04:01] <depac> I am registered . . . maybe
[04:09] <Kira> I got this when updating linux-firmware: https://bpaste.net/show/72b2ac9e6ff1
[04:11] <Kira> I *think* this happens because my boot partition was once full, and things were not cleaned up properly.
[04:15] <badSophia> hello when i use ‘curl'?
[04:15] <badSophia> for what?
[04:16] <tomreyn> badSophia: are you asking what the purpose of curl is?
[04:16] <badSophia> tomreyn: correct
[04:16] <badSophia> 8)
[04:17] <tomreyn> badSophia: making http and ftp requests
[04:17] <badSophia> request only?
[04:17] <tomreyn> and receiving responses
[04:17] <badSophia> it download file?
[04:17] <tomreyn> what are you trying to do?
[04:17] <badSophia> curl https://busybox.net/downloads/binaries/busybox-mips > busybox   <— can i know what it means?
[04:18] <EriC^^> badSophia: it downloads the file busybox-mips and writes it to the file "busybox"
[04:19] <tomreyn> makes a https request against busybox.net:443 and stores the response body (and any output on stdout) to a file "busybox"
[04:19] <badSophia> https://busybox.net/downloads/binaries/busybox-mips > busybox  vs https://busybox.net/downloads/binaries/busybox-mips -o busybox  <— what’s difference?
[04:21] <EriC^^> badSophia: it should basically be the same
[04:21] <EriC^^> badSophia: protip, type "man curl" then type "/-o"
[04:21] <badSophia> ah good thanks :)
[04:21] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Hi everyone how are we all? Does anyone here use Adobe Reader 9 if so did you have a problem where by the window opens in full-screen hiding the taskbar. Also my reader has no minimize maximise or close buttons in the top right corner on ubuntu 18.04
[04:22] <MrCrackPotBuilde> I cant seem to find anything ubuntu specific in google search.
[04:23] <tomreyn> maybe it isnt ubuntu related. try search for soemthing gnome 3 related
[04:26] <tomreyn> Kira: if this is an ubuntu kernel it is very outdated. be sure to do a full-upgrade.
[04:27] <tomreyn> Kira: "df -h" tells you how full your file systems are
[04:27] <MrCrackPotBuilde> tomreyn Thanks i've been having a few problems with gnome 3 the last few days so it wouldnt surprise me. LibreOffice doesnt like gnome3 (gtk3)
[04:27] <tomreyn> MrCrackPotBuilde: what'S the issue with libreoffice (works fine for me on default ubuntu 18.04, though i have not used it much)
[04:28] <Kira> tomreyn, I'm no longer on that kernel. The issue is that depmod still finds some junk related to that kernel and tries to do stuff (unsuccessfully).
[04:29] <tomreyn> Kira: please post the url returned by: dpkg -l linux\* 2 >&1 | pastebinit
[04:29] <MrCrackPotBuilde> tomreyn are you using minimal install or standard? Im using the minimal and when trying to play audio it just failed crashes each time. I was getting quite annoyed as it worked fine outside of libreoffice and with a friends computer running an old version (16.04). I had installed all of the gstreamer plugins to no avail
[04:29] <MrCrackPotBuilde> what ended up solving the problem was a answer from stackexchange saying to uninstall gtk3 and install gtk2
[04:30] <MrCrackPotBuilde> after doing that libreoffice no longer crashes and inserts and plays videos without any errors at all
[04:30] <tomreyn> MrCrackPotBuilde: i have ubuntu-desktop installed, since i want to run an ubuntu desktop
[04:31] <MrCrackPotBuilde> tomreyn sorry for the confusion. When you install ubuntu desktop your asked for a standard or full install or a minimal install
[04:31] <MrCrackPotBuilde> standard / full-install
[04:31] <tomreyn> uninstalling gtk3 sure sounds wrong if you're on default gnome based 18.04
[04:31] <MrCrackPotBuilde> this comes with all the games and "bloatware"
[04:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> it solved the problem
[04:32] <Kira> tomreyn, I just manually purged lots of stuff related to old kernels: https://bpaste.net/show/25cb7d6d529e
[04:32] <tomreyn> it surely introduced a lot more issues though
[04:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> after uninstalling and installing gtk2 without any other modifications it works like a dream
[04:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> so far i havent seen any
[04:33] <Kira> tomreyn, this is what `dpkg -l linux\*` looks like now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NQX43gcW9q/
[04:34] <tomreyn> Kira: much better, but you really should have linux-image-4.4.0-141-generic version 4.4.0-141.167
[04:34] <tomreyn> so you're still far behind
[04:34] <tomreyn> Kira: oh wait sorry, thats wrong
[04:35] <tomreyn> Kira: looks fine! i accidentially took this as kernel 4.4, not 4.15 which is what you have
[04:36] <tomreyn> MrCrackPotBuilde: which graphical desktop do you use then?
[04:37] <Kira> tomreyn, which is kinda odd
[04:37] <Kira> the man page of purge-old-kernels says apt is supposed to handle that automatically now.
[04:38] <Kira> And I've always used apt to update the kernel.
[04:38] <MrCrackPotBuilde> tomreyn gnome
[04:38] <tomreyn> Kira: doh, i didn't actually know this command, interesting.
[04:39] <tomreyn> Kira: indeed, normally apt should be removing any but the currently runnign and the latest two kernel images
[04:39] <tomreyn> that's unless they were marked as manually installed
[04:40] <Kira> Yeah, I never manually install a specific version of the kernel.
[04:40] <tomreyn> so "apt-mark showmanual | grep linux" should not list anything but meta packages
[04:41] <tomreyn> MrCrackPotBuilde: i doubt you'll survive long without gtk3, nor that you succeeded in uninstalling it without purging gnome.
[04:41] <tomreyn> not with apt without massively using --force, anyways
[04:41] <tomreyn> Kira: so all is good now?
[04:41] <Kira> tomreyn, yeah, only shows the meta packages now.
[04:41] <tomreyn> Kira: or is there still this error message?
[04:42] <Kira> tomreyn, I'll see, when linux-firmware gets updated again
[04:42] <Kira> or I should try to force reinstall linux-firmware and see if it triggers?
[04:42] <tomreyn> you could pruge + install it.
[04:42] <tomreyn> or just --reinstall install
[04:45] <Kira> odd, I still get those error messages.
[04:46] <Kira> so I still have /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-103-generic for some reason.
[04:46] <tomreyn> Squarism: i think you can usually assume that binary packages made available via launchpad were built from source code that is available to inspect (but dont trust me there, better check for yourself!). does this mean that the source code or binaries are not malware? no, not at all, there is no vetting involved in ppa's.
[04:46] <MrCrackPotBuilde> tomreyn seems your right gtk3 is still installed however so is gtk2 strange. i wonder why i havent had any conflicting errors so far as its been a month now since it was changed
[04:47] <tomreyn> Kira: does 'ls' confirm this?
[04:47] <Kira> tomreyn, yes, I see it.
[04:47] <tomreyn> MrCrackPotBuilde: they can live side by side
[04:47] <Kira> update-initramfs was trying to generate it
[04:47] <Kira> but it looks incomplete (file size is waaay smaller than the other working kernels)
[04:48] <MrCrackPotBuilde> ah thats beautiful hahaha as long as my issue is fixed im not going to play around much with it i have a deadline to meet
[04:48] <tomreyn> Kira: if "dpkg -S /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-103-generic" returns nothing then i'D just rm (-r) it.
[04:48] <tomreyn> as always with recursive deletes, be very careful.
[04:49] <tomreyn> MrCrackPotBuilde: cool, glad you fixed it.
[04:49] <tomreyn> i got to go, breakfast, bbiab
[04:49] <MrCrackPotBuilde> it seems online it was a common error.
[04:52] <Kira> tomreyn, this might be the answer to my problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/759802/where-does-update-initramfs-look-for-kernel-versions
[05:21] <tomreyn> Kira: right, this may need manual clearing
[06:02] <cswl> hi
[06:03] <cswl> I booted into Ubuntu ISO
[06:03] <cswl> But I want to use btrfs subvol for ubuntu and not use a bootloader
[06:03] <cswl> How do I install Ubuntu from command line?
[06:14] <tomreyn> cswl: debootstrap
[06:14] <tomreyn> i wonder how you'll boot without a bootloader, though
[06:14] <cswl> Is there an automated process or is ti manual?
[06:15] <cswl> I mean skip the bootloader install which Ubiquity doesnt allow
[06:15] <tomreyn> debootstrap is automated, but partitioning, creating the chroot, bind-mounting virtual mounts and installing the boot loader isn't
[06:17] <cswl> Thing is I'm using btrfs subvols to install more than one distro.. and Im using rEfind
[06:17] <tomreyn> the alternative server installer allows for continuing if the bootloader failed to install.
[06:17] <cswl> I've already downloaded the full ISO hmm
[06:17] <tomreyn> i'm not very familiar with btrfs subvolumes.
[06:18] <cswl> Lets say it basically allows a directory to be mounted as a root
[06:18] <tomreyn> nor with rEfind
[06:19] <cswl> So I use the alternative installer?
[06:19] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether any of the installers support btrfs subvolumes. maybe they do, maybe they don't.
[06:19] <tomreyn> none of them support refind
[06:20] <cswl> Guess I'll just stick to debbootstrap then
[06:21] <cswl> Whats the current 18.10 code.. for debbootstrap?
[06:23] <tomreyn> cswl: what do you mean by "the current 18.10 code"?
[06:24] <cswl> The "suite" option for debbootstrap
[06:24] <tomreyn> !18.10
[06:24] <tomreyn> "cosmic"
[06:25] <cswl> Okay it's on Retrieving Packages
[06:40] <emkman> Can anyone assist in modifying an ubuntu device mapper entry?
[06:41] <emkman> I started with an img on a usb stick so the lvm isn't using the full capacity
[06:42] <emkman> I have resized the logical volume and the partition successfully but the dmsetup table format I am not so sure about
[06:44] <Bustin> Fresh install of Ubuntu 18.10, boot up, and am getting random freezing. Looks to be CPU lock ups  soft lockup’s, then complete freezes which can only be resolved by hard resetting. I have an i5, 8th gen, nvidia gtx 1050, and intel integrated. Any help is appreciated.
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: your graphics driver version please?
[06:51] <Bustin> Lotuspsycheje, I can’t even get on long enough before a lock up to check, it’s whatever was installed ootb. I am pretty new to Linux, but am not wanting to go back to windows.
[06:53] <madmangun> nouveau would be my guess
[06:53] <madmangun> edit grub at boot to see if this fixes it.  add this nouveau.modeset=0
[06:54] <Bustin> Is there a shortcut while booting to allow you to get to the boot menu to edit grub?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: i would suggest to enter your system with nomodeset, then install the nvidia driver from the ubuntu graphics ppa
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | Bustin
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | Bustin
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> !kernelparm | Bustin to edit grub
[06:58] <madmangun> My particular alienware m17 r4 required nouveau.modeset=0 to even get past the installation screen.  Then installing and disablling nouveau. to move forward.
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> madmangun: can you recall wich graphics chipset?
[07:01] <madmangun> I'm running both arch and ubuntu 18.10 atm
[07:01] <madmangun> in arch
[07:01] <madmangun> CPU: Intel i7-6700HQ (8) @ 3.500GHz
[07:01] <madmangun>      /ossssssss/        +ssssooo/-       GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Mobile
[07:01] <Bustin> Nomodeset  didn’t  help my case
[07:01] <Bustin> Still freezing
[07:02] <madmangun> did you try my option Bustin?
[07:02] <madmangun> nouveau.modeset
[07:02] <Bustin> Oh, nouveau.modeset=0 didn’t work either madmangun
[07:02] <madmangun> nouveau.modeset=0
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> madmangun: we often see GTX users helped by installing latest nvidia drivers
[07:03] <Bustin> Debian stretch 9 works ootb if that helps at all
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: you could also test an LTS version of ubuntu as a test
[07:06] <madmangun> look over your computer, anything else plugged in that we are not aware of?
[07:08] <Bustin> Nothing at all madmangun, fresh install, new laptop. I read somewhere that I should try intel_idle.max_cstate=1
[07:09] <madmangun> nomodeset and disableing nouveau alltogether didn't help.  leaning towards not a graphics issue causing the lockusp. need more information.
[07:13] <tomreyn> emkman: do you not just want to pvresize?
[07:13] <madmangun> *grinds teeth...
[07:14] <Bustin> Oh oh! I think  nouveau.modeset worked, I had a typo, my bad. Not locking up within 30 seconds any longer. Madmangun
[07:15] <madmangun> *fingers crossed Bustin.
[07:15] <Bustin> Now, do I leave it? Or do I install nvidia proprietary drivers?
[07:15] <Bustin> What do I do from here
[07:15] <madmangun> Hangon Bustin.  brb
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: i would go for the nvidia drivers from the ubuntu graphics ppa
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: see the nvidia factoid from earlier
[07:16] <madmangun> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[07:17] <madmangun> I would suggest that PPA
[07:18] <Bustin> Then sudo apt-install nobodies-driver ? Any specific version?
[07:18] <Bustin> Nvidia-driver
[07:18] <Bustin> Dang phone lol
[07:18] <cswl> What is the name of `grub` package on Ubuntu?
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: latest or 410 or 396
[07:19] <madmangun> If you installed the ppa I suggested
[07:19] <madmangun> 410 or 415
[07:19] <madmangun> Your graphics card shoudl be fine at the highest version 415.
[07:19] <Bustin> After install, is it safe to remove the flag set in grub?
[07:20] <madmangun> what flag?
[07:21] <Bustin> Nouveau.modeset madmangun
[07:22] <madmangun> Once you've installed the latest drivers you can remove that flag.   WRITE IT DOWN.  It's a default headache and you may need to use it down the road to boot back in
[07:22] <tomreyn> cswl: there are multiple, depending on architecture, boot mode (bios vs uefi), secure boot signed or not.
[07:23] <madmangun> Every distro has the same issue with intel/nvidia duel boot systems.  live cd's etc.  that simple command (nouveau.modeset=0) works everytime for our computers.
[07:24] <Bustin> Well, if I only knew that 6 hours ago, lol.
[07:25] <madmangun> seriously right it down. works for fedora, opensuese, arch, centos, list goes on.  slap that command at grub and your in.  after that find a way to disable nouveau and run with intel or straight up nvidia
[07:25] <madmangun> I know bustin I know.
[07:30] <madmangun> Bustin if your in stick around and help out.
[07:31] <Bustin> I will gladly! But now my wifi card is not detected, another journey!
[07:34] <madmangun> omg, I gotta get up in 6 hours.  computer model etc any info can help?
[07:34] <madmangun> Also channel ##linux can be of good help to.
[07:36] <madmangun> can you do a sudo systemclt status NetworkManager.service
[07:45] <cuddlesquid> systemctl
[07:46] <cuddlesquid> madmangun: dont you hate waking up forcefully :P
[07:46] <Bustin> madmangun: familiar with Intel wireless ac-3165? Wifi not working
[07:48] <tomreyn> ac 3165 is supported by iwlwifi
[07:49] <cuddlesquid> Bustin: madman under 2 layers of blankets by now ;p
[07:49] <Bustin> ah, thank you.
[07:49] <madmangun> ><
[07:50] <cuddlesquid> ;p
[07:50] <madmangun> Adjusting the thermostat for 1 layer
[07:51] <cuddlesquid> haha
[07:51] <tomreyn> Bustin: lspci -knnv | grep -iA6 wireless | pastebinit
[07:52] <madmangun> nightmares cuddles nightmares
[07:52] <madmangun> having issues with my network laptop with quad boot arch/ubuntu/windows 10
[07:53] <madmangun> trifecta of wtf on ssd and everything else on the terabyte drive and external drives.
[07:54] <cuddlesquid> madmangun: really? laptop with network issues, hmm i had that issue a bit recently
[07:55] <cuddlesquid> madmangun: was rather odd, now i cant remember if it was a desktop or laptop, but had all sorts of network issues with wind dual boot, im pretty sure it was a laptop
[07:55] <cuddlesquid> something around ipv6 and ipv4 i believe
[07:56] <Bustin> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/fAS5kKiL
[07:57] <madmangun> ok
[07:57] <tomreyn> Bustin: does the network manager applet (top right corner  on the panel) list the interface?
[07:58] <Bustin> tomreyn: no, it says "wi-Fi Off" then in the drop down, has "turn on" "select network" and "settings".
[07:58] <Bustin> If I turn on, it does notta.
[07:58] <Bustin> stays off.
[07:58] <Bustin> If I click "turn on", sorry.
[07:58] <tomreyn> Bustin: rfkill list | pastebinit
[08:01] <Bustin> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/p10KLkKn
[08:02] <tomreyn> Bustin: wireless and bluetooth are hard locked, meaning you either need to flip a real physical switch on your computer or a bios setting.
[08:02] <Bustin> tomreyn: weird, must be a bios setting, there is no physical keyboard shortcut or switch.
[08:03] <tomreyn> Bustin: try: sudo rfkill unblock 0
[08:04] <Bustin> tomreyn: did it, still showing as off.
[08:04] <tomreyn> i assume rfkill still says HARD blocked for the wlan?
[08:05] <Bustin> yes
[08:05] <tomreyn> check bios then. which computer model is it?
[08:05] <Bustin> Lenovoa IdeaPad 330 (i5, 8th gen intel)
[08:05] <Bustin> Lenovo*
[08:05] <tomreyn> note you may also have a Fn key combo there to unlock it, but usually this would only switch software
[08:06] <Bustin> Yea, I see no fn + shorcut key labled.
[08:06] <Bustin> labeled*
[08:07] <tomreyn> well, check the bios
[08:09] <Bustin> Bios shows it as enabled as well.
[08:09] <Bustin> Hmmm.
[08:10] <tomreyn> can you post the boot log: journalctl -b | pastebinit
[08:12] <Bustin> one moment, joining on other laptop tomreyn
[08:12] <tomreyn> Bustin: ^ this, but also: is this system full up to date, are there any pending updates?
[08:12] <cswl> Whats the default users group in Ubuntu?
[08:13] <tomreyn> cswl: "users"
[08:13] <cswl> Ok.. Im done installing my Debootstrap
[08:13] <cswl> Need to setup user
[08:13] <Bustin_> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xtVffqRhq4/
[08:16] <cswl> So with Debootstrap.. I can install any flavor of Ubuntu hmm
[08:19] <Bustin> tomreyn: still here, just disconnected on the other laptop.
[08:19] <tomreyn> Bustin_: there is a newer bios (version is 7ZCN29WW, you have 7ZCN28WW), upgrade is marked "urgent" https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/en/products/LAPTOPS-AND-NETBOOKS/300-SERIES/330-15ICH/81FK/downloads/DS504093
[08:20] <tomreyn> the changelog doesn't menion wireless issues, though. i'll read on on your log, this will take some minutes
[08:20] <Bustin> tomreyn: doesn't that have to be done via Windows? Will have to download / install :*(
[08:20] <cswl> Hmm it created a group called same as my user name
[08:21] <cswl> What else groups do I need to be in?
[08:21] <tomreyn> this bios update enables intel vt, which you most likley want if you're going to use virtualization such as virtualbox
[08:21] <tomreyn> Bustin: maybe via windows, read what it says on the README
[08:22] <Bustin> tomreyn: yea, windows.
[08:26] <tomreyn> not supported via https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devicelist
[08:27] <senaps> i had a centos system, wanted to change it's partitions and it failed. now on my ubuntu i have added the disks to my ubuntu vm, and want to bring it back up. can i do that? it's some lvm thing that i should add and stuff, just don't know it's possible to recover my files or not and whether i should try?
[08:29] <tomreyn> Bustin: lines 302 ff. of http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xtVffqRhq4/ are less than ideal, means the bios in its scurrent state may not have been tested with anything other than windows. you can use a workaround ...
[08:29] <tomreyn> http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[08:30] <tomreyn> cswl: it's normal / default for a user to be in a group named the same
[08:31] <cswl> No Im torn between a desktop enviroment haha
[08:31] <tomreyn> cswl: some suggestions for other groups: adm fax cdrom sudo dip plugdev lxd lpadmin sambashare libvirtd vboxusers
[08:31] <cswl> I added sudo.. ofc..
[08:31] <tomreyn> other than sudo and adm you should cherry pick these groups, though
[08:32] <Bustin> tomreyn: seems like an easy enough workaround, thank you.
[08:32] <tomreyn> Bustin: see if the wireless works with it out of the box. i'll take another look on the log later and tell you if i find more
[08:33] <Bustin> tomreyn: sorry, did I miss something? WiFi works with what out of the box? The acpi fix?
[08:33] <tomreyn> Bustin: this isn'T really the place to discuss it (try ##windows - double hash) but you can also install windows to external media nowadays, and boot off it.
[08:33] <tomreyn> Bustin: i'm saying it might, giver it a try with the aci workaround.
[08:33] <tomreyn> *acpi
[08:35] <tomreyn> senaps: given enough persistence, you should be able to recover the data this way.
[08:35] <cswl> I think I like the looks of budgie
[08:35] <tomreyn> senaps: that's if you can make these physical storages (from what i understand) available to the ubuntu VM
[08:36] <cswl> Umm `Unable to locate package ubuntu-budgie-desktop`
[08:37] <tomreyn> cswl: try without the trailing tick
[08:38] <cswl> Do I need to enable multiverse or something?
[08:38] <tomreyn> !universe
[08:39] <cswl> Okay its on universe
[08:39] <Bustin> tomreyn: used the acpi workaround, still no dice for WiFi. Just curious, why would Elementary OS, Debian Stretch, and Linux Mint all detect the wireless out of the box, but not Ubuntu? Kernel versions / compiled drivers differ quite a bit?
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: wich chipset is that?
[08:41] <cswl> The package is just budgie-desktop hmm
[08:41] <cswl> Oh well
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: also keep in mind if you use a non-LTS version of ubuntu, not all things will work as expected
[08:44] <tomreyn> cswl: actually both ubuntu-budgie-desktop and budgie-desktop exist, and they may have different purposes
[08:45] <cswl> Ah it installs basic stuff liek audio
[08:48] <tomreyn> Bustin: are the acpi errors gone with the workaround in place? which windows version string did you end up with?
[08:48] <Bustin> tomreyn: running journalctl -b and scrolling through, I saw a bunch of acpi errors still. It gave me Windows 2015
[08:49] <tomreyn> and "cat /proc/cmdline" shows you set it to that?
[08:49] <Bustin> tomreyn: "acpi_os=Windows 2015" - Yep
[08:49] <Bustin> osi*
[08:50] <tomreyn> see also line 1913 of your earlier system log, this is a "kernel oops", a report by the kernel that an IRQ was not handled.by the firmware.
[08:50] <tomreyn> do you still see this on the currnet boot? if so, use the workaround discussed there.
[08:51] <tomreyn> and consider (even more now) the bios upgrade
[08:52] <Bustin> I am leaning towards a bios update, and now since I have the tools to rid the halts, re-installing should be quite easy. But if the WiFi does not work, it will be a pretty useless install. Does the 18.04LTS version offer the "minimal install" that the 18.10 media provides? If not, is there a way to avoid "bloat"? Thank you.
[08:53] <talx> hello guys
[08:53] <talx> anyone here familiar with terminator emulator ?
[08:53] <tomreyn> Bustin: what do you consider to be "bloat"?
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> talx: best to ask your question to the channel, volunteers might take a look if they know it
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> talx: there is also a #terminator channel if you like
[08:55] <Bustin> tomreyn: sorry, by "bloat", I just meant all the pre-installed software that is not installed when selecting "minimal install" with 18.10
[08:56] <tomreyn> Bustin: not the best term to describe "full installation". ;-)  you can do a minimal installation on 18.04 as well.
[08:57] <Bustin> tomreyn: my mistake. I will give the LTS a go, will also do the suggested bios update. Thank you for pointing that out to me by the way.
[08:58] <tomreyn> Bustin: you're welcome.
[09:10] <Bustin> tomreyn: 18.04LTS has wifi and no cpu lock-ups ootb, might be best to use this for a bit!
[09:17] <tomreyn> Bustin: cpu lock-ups?
[09:18] <tomreyn> oh, i hadn't seenyou reporting this previously
[09:19] <tomreyn> the acpi errors will probably still be present. and the unspecified bios security issues will surely be present until you upgrade. but it's possible that they are mitigated by ubuntu.
[09:50] <badSophia> how can i change mynick@computer [09:50] <ekkelett> badSophia: you will need to change the username of your user, if I'm not mistaken :)
[09:51] <badSophia> thanks :)
[09:52] <zzarr_> Hello!
[09:53] <zzarr_> Is there an Qualcomm Snapdragon based laptop that runs Ubuntu well (easy to install and run)
[09:57] <badSophia> tftp -gl i1 192.168.0.9 <---- can i know what it mean?
[10:27] <ekkelett> badSophia: run tftp (a simple way to transfer files) to the machine with the address 192.168.0.9, and then I'm not sure of the parameters because I don't have tftp myself atm
[10:28] <badSophia> 192.168.0.9 ——> other or other —> 192.168.0.9? ekkelett  ?
[10:31] <ekkelett> badSophia: no, I don't think so. I can't see -g as an option, but there is -l which turns on literal mode. i1 is first, so it'd be the host parameter.
[10:32] <badSophia> ekkelett: i don’t know what you mean?
[10:32] <ekkelett> badSophia: "tftp -l 192.168.0.9" would connect you to 192.168.0.9 using tftp
[10:34] <badSophia> ah thanks :)
[10:41] <Gargoyle> Hey all. Is there a way to replace one version of a package with another without doing a re-install of all dependencies? I added the ondrej PPA for some PHP bits a while ago, but now it seems I have libssl1.1 from the PPA and not official ubuntu repo! :/
[10:42] <badSophia> curl -o - -b 'tLargeScreenP=1; subType=pcSub; Authorization=Basic%20YWRtaW46YWRtaW40Mg%3D%3D; ChgPwdSubTag=true' 'http://192.168.0.100/‘ <— can i know what it mean?
[10:45] <Gargoyle> badSophia: It's a HTTP request using curl. Read the curl docs and the docs for whatever service you have running on that IP.
[10:46] <Gargoyle> And if that is your network router or something, change the username and password because you just pasted it to 1181 people!
[10:47] <nwe> whats the defult version of ansible in ubuntu 18.04
[10:49] <Gargoyle> nwe: 2.5.1+dfsg-1
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> Gargoyle: i would reccomend the most vanilla way, and remove the ppa and make your system with default sources again
[10:50] <nwe> hmm okey :) thanks why Im asking is because I dont have any ubuntu server at the moment, but setting up one in aws with their default ubuntu image and got some error from ansible, and I think it was an older version of it that why ansible complains..
[10:51] <nwe> is´nt default in apt 2.3 or something?
[11:01] <Gargoyle> nwe: You are running ansibe ON the server, or are you trying to provision it with ansible?
[11:08] <EriC^^> "'
[11:20] <Bustin> tomreyn: https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?315224-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC-3165-Plus-Bluetooth-!!!DISABLED!!&s=861e55b1834ee1aee12cf9970b36379f&p=1793818#post1793818  - This enabled WiFi on 18.10, everything is working great now.
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the feedback Bustin we will let tomreyn know
[11:21] <Bustin> Thanks for the help!
[11:23] <jeremy31> Bustin: what ubuntu version?
[11:24] <Bustin> jeremy31: 18.10
[11:24] <jeremy31> 18.10
[11:24] <jeremy31> Bustin I have a fix that works in the 4.15 kernel without the blacklist, as blacklisting ideapad-laptop might make some FN combos broken
[11:26] <Bustin> jeremy31: do you know if it works for 4.18
[11:27] <jeremy31> Bustin: I doubt it but I do have 4.18 source code on my Ubuntu laptop, what lenovo is it?
[11:27] <Bustin> IdeaPad 330 - i5 8th gen
[11:28] <Bustin> @ jeremy31
[11:30] <jeremy31> Bustin: that one doesn't show in the quirk table from the upstream kernel
[11:33] <jeremy31> Bustin:  just watch my github for an ideapad-laptop-4.18 https://github.com/jeremyb31 I will put instructions on the page.  I won't be able to work on it for about 10 hours
[11:33] <Bustin> jeremy31: thank you very much, I will keep an eye on it.
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> lenevo's always need bios updates and many come here with acpi issues
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> !acpi
[11:36] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: I don't think Lenovo has a BIOS update that fixes the hard block wifi status
[11:46] <EriC^^> jeremy31: worth a shot to see if they do
[11:46] <SimonNL> lotuspsychje: Bustin isn't that something TJ s script could help out with   http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[11:47] <Bustin> SimonNL: I tried the script, it chose "Windows 2015", restart did not resolve the acpi errors
[11:50] <SimonNL> Bustin: have you read the part after    "Testing"
[11:56] <tomreyn> Bustin: thanks for the feedback, please file a bug report using "ubuntu-bug wireless" describing the issue and the workaround you found
[11:56] <Bustin> SimonNL: I did not, will do now, and check back.
[11:56] <anonymip> anyone know if there are any network monitoring tool similar to PRTG that can be installed on ubuntu?
[11:57] <Bustin> tomreyn: thanks for the assistance. I will file a bug report.
[11:57] <tomreyn> Bustin: actually make that "ubuntu-bug linux"
[11:58] <Bustin> tomreyn: will do.
[11:58] <Bustin> irq 9: nobody cared, stuck =/ never ending!
[11:59] <tomreyn> anonymip: nagios and alternatives buiding on it, zabbix, icinga
[12:00] <anonymip> ah, ok thanks tomreyn. I really love PRTG, butI would love it even more if there was a linux version
[12:01] <tomreyn> anonymip: that's not something we can help with in #ubuntu
[12:01] <anonymip> yeah, I know
[12:03] <tomreyn> anonymip: if you like it colorful and 'responsive', maybe take a look at prometheus, too.
[12:05] <anonymip> what I would like is that it's eaasy to install, preferably "apt-get instal" easy.
[12:07] <tomreyn> i only recommended monitoring solutions which are in ubuntu, so all of them can be installed this way
[12:07] <tomreyn> some may take a while to configure, though.
[12:08] <anonymip> well, PRTG also take quite  a while to configure.
[12:12] <tomreyn> also all of the aove are open source, and free.
[12:16] <anonymip> ok, thanks for the suggestions.
[12:19] <Bustin> tomreyn: bug submitted.
[12:23] <tomreyn> Bustin: mind posting the id?
[12:26] <Bustin_> tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1811815
[12:32] <tomreyn> Bustin_: thanks!
[12:33] <tomreyn> Bustin_: not detect isn't exactly correct rthough, right? i mean you said your wireless was showing in network manager, just you weren't able to unloick it
[12:34] <tomreyn> "not detect" meant to be a quote
[12:35] <Bustin_> tomreyn: settings->WiFi said "no cards detected", but the applet on the top panel had "Select network", "Turn On", and "WiFi Settings".
[12:39] <tomreyn> Bustin_: oka, also lspci stated that the driver was loaded. hmm, not sure, but those are details you may want to add.
[12:39] <tomreyn> but it's already good that you reported it.
[12:41] <tomreyn> loos similar to bug 1797772 and bug 1723612
[12:43] <jeremy31> All it takes to fix some of those is to pull commits from upstream ideapad-laptop.c
[13:10] <graingert> hey when is $WAYLAND_DISPLAY set?
[13:10] <graingert> I've tried adding:  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ud5P4ERW/.profile
[13:10] <graingert> to my ~/.profile
[13:10] <graingert> but it doesn't set GDK_BACKEND
[13:10] <graingert> other variables are set from that file though
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> graingert: I would assume that would be after the session has started
[13:12] <graingert> pragmaticenigma: when does it execute .profile?
[13:12] <graingert> is there another place I can put the GDK_BACKEND setting?
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> graingert: without knowing what you're trying to accomplish, I have no idea what to suggest
[13:14] <graingert> I'm trying to get Firefox on wayland to work when I'm in a wayland session
[13:14] <graingert> and firefox on x to work when I'm in an x session
[13:14] <graingert> pragmaticenigma: ^
[13:14] <graingert> I've already got it so that firefox waland starts with GDK_BACKEND=wayland
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> graingert: Firefox doesn't officially support Wayland yet. If you've got it up and running then you are running in a state that this channel doesn't support
[13:16] <graingert> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland is set at the time .profile is executed
[13:16] <graingert> I'll use that
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> graingert: The only thing that I could suggest is that you write a bash script that sets the environment variable and launches firefox. Use that to launch firefox in wayland sessions, and the regular launcher for X sessions
[13:28] <BlackDex> hello there, i have a strange issue with ubuntu 18.04 desktop. If i use `sudo subl /path/to/file.something` after a while i get the message "Too many open files"
[13:28] <graingert> anyone know where I can find the lightdm logs?
[13:28] <BlackDex> that same happens even if i just do `sudo nemo` or `sudo nautilus` or `sudo gparted`
[13:28] <graingert> it seems this dir doesn't exist /var/log/lightdm
[13:28] <BlackDex> graingert: should be in /var/log/lightdm
[13:29] <graingert> cat: /var/log/lightdm: No such file or directory
[13:29] <BlackDex> that is the default dir
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDex: you're not supposed to open GUI applications with sudo
[13:30] <BlackDex> are you sure you are using lightdm?
[13:30] <graingert> no
[13:30] <graingert> what's the default?
[13:30] <graingert> gdm?
[13:30] <BlackDex> depends on ubuntu version
[13:30] <graingert> 18.10
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> you're not going to find logs for a program that's not in use.
[13:30] <BlackDex> since 17.10 its gdm
[13:31] <graingert> lol
[13:31] <graingert> yes sorry I thought it was lightdm
[13:32] <BlackDex> pragmaticenigma: pragmaticenigma: so what then pkexec isn't working
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> assuming subl is sublime, why are you attempting to run that as root? if it's for file access, you shouldn't access those files directly. Copy them into your own directory, take ownership of them, edit. the sudo copy them back to their original homes when you are done.
[13:34] <BlackDex> pragmaticenigma: thats not really useful
[13:34] <BlackDex> copy/past etc.. etc..
[13:34] <BlackDex> just edit and save and done
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDex: That's what I do. I've screwed up enough machines and applications in my career to know better than to do that
[13:35] <BlackDex> pragmaticenigma: i understand, but it doens't matter if you fuckup the file and then copy it over
[13:36] <BlackDex> it's still screwed
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | BlackDex
[13:36] <BlackDex> thats a bit harsh
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> I didn't make the rules
[13:37] <BlackDex> same goes for screwed
[13:37] <BlackDex> but oke
[13:38] <BlackDex> you could also just told me that instead of pointing to a document like i'm new to irc or something
[13:38] <BlackDex> anyway's using cp isn't a good solution
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> BlackDex: stick to ubuntu support please
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDex: I offered a suggestion, it's up to you to decide if that's what you will consider doing or not. There is no reason to continue discussing your position
[13:41] <graingert> anyone know where gdm3 keeps its logs?
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> graingert: all logs are found in /var/log ... if an application doesn't create its own log file, it may send its output to /var/log/syslog
[13:44] <BlackDex> well i do want to make a point i have checked my logs, and i have seen those specific words a lot without any mentioning. but oke, i will try to take a bit more care of my words for some people
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> BlackDex: feel free to discuss this in #ubuntu-discuss
[13:45] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDex: Again, please stay on topic
[13:45] <BlackDex> jees
[13:46] <BlackDex> calm down already
[13:46] <BlackDex> on topic again
[13:46] <BlackDex> so any other suggestions instead of coping
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDex: Given your behavior, it's unlikely anyone will want to help you now. If this article doesn't help you achieve your goal, I'll suggest that you're going to need to search the web to find a solution.
[13:51] <pragmaticenigma> https://itsfoss.com/gksu-replacement-ubuntu/
[13:52] <BlackDex> pragmaticenigma: please stay on topic]
[13:52] <graingert> bah I'll just wait for 2019-01-29
[13:52] <BlackDex> thanks for the article
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> graingert: whats going on mate, what are you struggling with?
[13:53] <graingert> 13:14:06 <graingert> I'm trying to get Firefox on wayland to work when I'm in a wayland session
[13:53] <graingert> 13:14:17 <graingert> and firefox on x to work when I'm in an x session
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> graingert: Are you running Firefox from Ubuntu software channels? Or did you install the nightly build directly from Mozilla?
[13:54] <graingert> Firefox 65 ppa
[13:54] <graingert> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next
[13:54] <graingert> that all works though
[13:54] <graingert> it's just that setting GDK_BACKEND in .profile prevents me logging in with gdm
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> we can only do support of the packages from the official repos graingert
[13:55] <graingert> 13:10:33 <graingert> I've tried adding:  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ud5P4ERW/.profile
[13:55] <graingert> lotuspsychje: yeah but this isn't a problem with firefox
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> graingert: lotuspsychje is correct though, what you are attempting to do isn't supported here as I mentioned earlier.
[13:56] <graingert> yeah but getting gdm logs is
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> graingert: As I suggested earlier, a bash script that sets the environment variable prior to lauching firefox would be your best option. It reduces issues down the road when that version of Firefox is released in the Ubuntu channels, and won't interfere with other applications.
[13:57] <BlackDex> graingert: do you need that only for firefox?
[13:58] <graingert> BlackDex: yes
[13:58] <BlackDex> i suggest to create a bin folder in your home directory
[13:58] <graingert> And thunderbird
[13:58] <BlackDex> `mkdir ~/bin` if it is not there already
[13:58] <graingert> And a .local application
[13:58] <EriC^^> i was about to mention putting it in some script that is run by the desktop file for firefox
[13:59] <graingert> EriC^^: can I shadow the global desktop files?
[14:00] <EriC^^> graingert: in the Exec= line in /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop (or similar) change it to Exec='bash -c "VARIABLE=... firefox"'
[14:00] <eraserpencil1> would anyone like to help me tweak my grub/bios to get a better boot experience?
[14:00] <graingert> Yeah I want it in my ~/.local though
[14:00] <EriC^^> nevermind the script part, graingert yeah you can, you just need to make sure you set them to +x so they run
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> !details | eraserpencil1
[14:00] <graingert> EriC^^: cool
[14:00] <BlackDex> graingert: then use something like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/knC2RTWQkt/
[14:01] <BlackDex> place that in ~/bin/firefox make it executable
[14:01] <graingert> Will adding ~/.local/bin/firefox work with the existing .desktop file?
[14:01] <eraserpencil1> i have like 2minutes boot time
[14:01] <graingert> Eg does gnome shell respect the path?
[14:01] <eraserpencil1> https://termbin.com/hjqv
[14:01] <BlackDex> not /.local/bin graingert yes
[14:02] <BlackDex> sorry
[14:02] <BlackDex> ~/.local/bin should work to
[14:02] <eraserpencil1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FYrgmMPqs2
[14:02] <BlackDex> and yes it works with the existing .desktop files
[14:02] <BlackDex> no need to edit it
[14:02] <graingert> BlackDex: and it needs to pass the args on
[14:02] <graingert> Awesome I'll do that
[14:02] <BlackDex> ah yes
[14:02] <BlackDex> sorry
[14:03] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: seems some nvidia issue
[14:03] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: do you recall any settings in the bios, something "IRQ" related?
[14:03] <BlackDex> need to add "$@" behind /usr/bin/firefox
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: your graphics card chipset and driver version please?
[14:03] <eraserpencil1> I'm currently on an Alienware M15 with the latest January BIOS update from Dell. I'm aware it's very buggy... but was hoping to tweak it to something more usable
[14:03] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: it says 2 advice in it, NVRM: [Plug & Play OS] should be set to NO[   98.284464] NVRM: [Assign IRQ to VGA] should be set to YES
[14:03] <BlackDex> graingert: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4w9NTyP9BR/
[14:04] <eraserpencil1> could you walk me through getting the driver for my gpu?
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: whats your current one?
[14:05] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: it seems like hardware related at this point, i mean software/hardware
[14:05] <eraserpencil1> and let me paster my grub.cfg
[14:06] <eraserpencil1> i'm gonna need help getting my current driver
[14:06] <eraserpencil1> https://termbin.com/9vby
[14:06] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: sudo lshw -c video | grep
[14:07] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: did you check the bios for the 2 options it mentions to set?
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: your system up to date also? uname -a ?
[14:08] <MacroMan> Having some issues running exim4. Sometimes the binary just "isn't there", despite being on the PATH (/usr/sbin/exim4). I notice "ls" shows it red (for archive file?!). Any ideas what I can check.
[14:08] <EriC^^> MacroMan: is it set to +x?
[14:09] <MacroMan> EriC^^: Not sure on that one. The perms are -rwsr-xr-x
[14:09] <MacroMan> Oh so yes lol
[14:09] <eraserpencil1> what am i looking out for after sudo lshw -c video
[14:09] <eraserpencil1> i might need help for doing the bios advice
[14:10] <EriC^^> MacroMan: aha i think s isn't +x, i think S is set uid + x and s is just set uid
[14:10] <EriC^^> let me try on my pc, 1 sec
[14:10] <EriC^^> MacroMan: oh, nevermind, S is without the +x, s includes +x
[14:10] <eraserpencil1> L4.15.0-43-generic #46-16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
[14:11] <eraserpencil1> sorry i cant upgrade to 18.04 yet
[14:11] <MacroMan> EriC^^: s?
[14:11] <EriC^^> MacroMan: the red is for setuid btw
[14:11] <MacroMan> EriC^^: Ah OK. So wouldn't impact something trying to run it?
[14:12] <EriC^^> MacroMan: no it shouldn't affect looking in $PATH for it
[14:12]  * MacroMan is still thoroughly confused
[14:12] <EriC^^> what is exim4 anyways? kind of odd it needs +s
[14:12] <EriC^^> isnt that a text editor?
[14:12] <MacroMan> EriC^^: Replacement for sendmail
[14:12] <EriC^^> oh ok
[14:13] <EriC^^> is it finding it fine right now?
[14:13] <MacroMan> Yes
[14:13] <EriC^^> ah darn
[14:13] <EriC^^> :D
[14:14] <MacroMan> Just odd that it's the only binary in /usr/sbin that has this setuid thing on it
[14:14] <EriC^^> when it happens it might help to run "type -a exim4" and see what it gives
[14:14] <MacroMan> As expected: exim4 is /usr/sbin/exim4
[14:14] <EriC^^> MacroMan: oh, setuid is so that a program can change the user privileges to the owner of the file
[14:15] <MacroMan> EriC^^: Hmm. Isn't that a little odd for a binary installed from apt?
[14:16] <EriC^^> like for instance programs that need to run as root, like the program sudo is setuid and owner root, so when it runs it has the ability even when you the user runs it to behave as if root was using it, so that it can grant you root access if you're in its list
[14:16] <EriC^^> MacroMan: nope, maybe since it does system stuff it needs root access
[14:16] <MacroMan> EriC^^: I'm gonna check on that. Seems a little fishy that a mail sending program needs root
[14:17] <EriC^^> probably a good idea, it wont harm if anything
[14:17] <EriC^^> yup, google says it uses setuid
[14:18] <MacroMan> Yeah just read that. It's needed to listen on port 25
[14:18] <MacroMan> That's not the issue then.
[14:18] <eraserpencil1>   Do i follow instructions from here? https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware/Alienware-m15-BIOS-update-for-Linux-compatibility/td-p/6241916
[14:19] <EriC^^> MacroMan: are any aliases being used somehow? cause bash would look for those first before PATH
[14:19] <MacroMan> The main alias used is senbmail. I can see that sendmail -> exim4
[14:19] <TJ-> EriC^^: is this something like the shell hash table causing the wrong executable to be called/
[14:20] <EriC^^> TJ-: i think so, i believe MacroMan said it wasn't being found in PATH
[14:20] <EriC^^> MacroMan: what exactly were you typing and what exactly did it say?
[14:21] <TJ-> ahhh, possibly update-alternatives ?
[14:21] <MacroMan> Only seems to happen when using spawn from Node, but I've verified it's actually calling the right command. Here is the error: spawn sendmail ENOENT
[14:22] <MacroMan> ENOENT means the executable isn't there doesn't it?
[14:23] <TJ-> MacroMan: run the process under strace and capture the file-accesses ("strace -f -e trace=file ...")
[14:24] <MacroMan> TJ-: It'll take me a while to set that up (live website!). But I'll take that route and see where I get. Thank you both for your help.
[14:25] <EriC^^> MacroMan: no problem
[14:27] <eraserpencil1> EriC^^, TJ-: interested in fixing BIOS issues?
[14:30] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: see if the bios has those options
[14:30] <EriC^^> [Plug & Play OS] should be set to NO [   81.008514] NVRM: [Assign IRQ to VGA] should be set to YES
[14:31] <EriC^^> i think the first one i've seen in my own one
[14:36] <eraserpencil1>  I have nothing of that sort
[14:39] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: anything about IRQ stuff?
[14:39] <EriC^^> it basically says it can't assign an IRQ
[14:39] <eraserpencil1> nothing about acpi or IRQ in the bios
[14:39] <EriC^^> what BIOS model is it and what VGA card or laptop model too
[14:41] <eraserpencil1> Alienware m15 Bios version 1.3.3
[14:41] <eraserpencil1> gtx 1070 max q
[14:43] <Mylon> Anyone familiar with configuring touchpads?  Mine is driving me nuts and I can't seem to find the right combination of settings so it's responsive yet doesn't do random stuff while I'm trying to type.
[14:44] <Mylon> Like I'll be typing and then it'll just randomly delete everything I've typed.  Or paste what's on my clipboard.  I don't even know how the mouse is getting that from a palm touch.
[14:48] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: apparently using acpi=force fixed it for someone
[14:48] <EriC^^> not sure of the consequences of doing that though, maybe somebody can confirm
[14:49] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: it seems harmless
[14:50] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: do you know how to try it in grub as a 1 time boot trial?
[14:50] <stavros> Hello
[14:50] <eraserpencil1> press e in grub?
[14:50] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: yup
[14:50] <EriC^^> then f10 to boot
[14:50] <stavros> I'm running 18.04 but doing `aptitude show libzfs2linux` shows: Package: libzfs2linux  Version: 0.7.5-1ubuntu16.4
[14:50] <stavros> Anyone know why that is?
[14:51] <Mylon> I guess I had corner actions set.  Maybe disabling that will fix the random behaviors.
[14:51] <EriC^^> !info libzfs2linux bionic
[14:51] <eraserpencil1> im downloading drivers on windows atm
[14:51] <eraserpencil1> let you know of updates
[14:51] <stavros> EriC^^, so it's correct?
[14:51] <EriC^^> stavros: yeah
[14:52] <stavros> Hmm, thanks
[14:52] <tomreyn> stavros: what did you expect it to show instead?
[14:52] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: alright
[14:52] <stavros> tomreyn, ubuntu18.4
[14:53] <stavros> I'm having an issue where deleting files takes 1-2 seconds per file
[14:53] <tomreyn> stavros: "ubuntu16.4" in the version number is a build number, unrelated to the ubuntu 16.04 release
[14:53] <stavros> I see, thanks
[14:54] <EriC^^> stavros: you could try asking in #zfs as well
[14:54] <tomreyn> the previous released build was 0.7.5-1ubuntu15
[14:54] <stavros> I did, they couldn't help :/
[14:54] <stavros> tomreyn, ah, I see, so it's just a coincidence
[14:54] <tomreyn> yes
[14:54] <wabbits> morning #ubuntu is the alsa-info.sh script part of alsa-utils in 18.04?
[14:54] <wabbits> is yes where is it?
[14:55] <tomreyn> wabbits: hi, i was responding to stavros there
[14:55] <wabbits> dont let me stop you
[14:57] <tomreyn> wabbits: if you go to https://packages.ubuntu.com/ and scroll down to "Search the contents of packages", select "bionic" (codename of 18.04) for "distribution" and "alsa-info.sh" as the "Keyworkd" and click on the "packages that contain files whose names end with the keyword" radio button and start the search, you'll know.
[14:58] <solsTiCe> wabbits: apt-file search alsa-info.sh
[14:58] <solsTiCe> in alsa-base in 18.10
[14:58] <wabbits> ahhh
[14:58] <wabbits> thanks
[14:58] <tomreyn> ^ that's the advanced approach, requires installing "apt-file"
[14:58] <EriC^^> stavros: did it start recently or it was working nicely?
[14:59] <stavros> EriC^^, it started around the time of my upgrade to 18.04
[14:59] <stavros> It has been working very well for years
[14:59] <stavros> Or it had
[14:59] <EriC^^> oh
[15:01] <stavros> It's odd, it's like the pool just became super slow, I see 100% utilization on all drives even just writing 2 MB/s
[15:01] <EriC^^> maybe some configs changed from 16.04 to 18.04 ?
[15:01] <stavros> Maybe, but I have no idea what :(
[15:01] <EriC^^> google suggests disabling ZIL can fasten stuff, https://serverfault.com/questions/252054/why-is-nexentastor-so-slow-especially-to-delete-files
[15:02] <tomreyn> nothing in dmesg about it?
[15:02] <stavros> tomreyn, Nothing that looks relevant...
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> Bustin: are you stil around?
[15:03] <wabbits> one more question, there is an apt command to get a package manifest?
[15:04] <EriC^^> wabbits: you mean the files it installed on your pc?
[15:05] <wabbits> yes
[15:05] <wabbits> the files for one specific package
[15:05] <EriC^^> wabbits: if it's already installed, then "dpkg -S package-name"
[15:05] <EriC^^> i mean sorry
[15:05] <EriC^^> dpkg -L package-name
[15:06] <wabbits> Thanks EriC^^
[15:06] <EriC^^> no problem wabbits
[15:06] <tomreyn> stavros: hmm, maybe there are parameters you can pass to the module to get more output.
[15:07] <stavros> tomreyn, to the ZFS module? Or to rm?
[15:07] <tomreyn> stavros: zfs
[15:08] <EriC^^> this has a ton of debugging going on in it, similar issue of deleting files causes high load https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/4227
[15:08] <tomreyn> zfs_dbgmsg*
[15:09] <eraserpencil1> EriC^^:  Previously, i was using advisefrom https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware/Alienware-m15-BIOS-update-for-Linux-compatibility/td-p/6241916
[15:09] <eraserpencil1> i have acpi=noirq and pci=biosirq
[15:09] <eraserpencil1> should i just have acpi-force
[15:09] <eraserpencil1> acpi=force
[15:09] <EriC^^> yeah try that eraserpencil1 , or just without anything for now
[15:10] <stavros> EriC^^, I'll try some of those suggestions, thank you, although mine doesn't really produce high load, it's just super slow
[15:10] <eraserpencil1> also i Have acpi_osi="Windows 2015"
[15:10] <eraserpencil1> will remove all these then
[15:11] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: that's a good one
[15:11] <eraserpencil1> what is a good one? the idea to remove all or the idea i added it
[15:12] <EriC^^> the one with Windows in it is good
[15:12] <tomreyn> but only if the full string is used
[15:13] <tomreyn> as discussed on TJ's article
[15:13] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: try making it as such acpi_osi="!Windows 2015"
[15:13] <tomreyn> acpi_osi=! missing in front
[15:14] <tomreyn> EriC^^: wouldn't yours exclude windows 2015?
[15:15] <EriC^^> tomreyn: i'm not sure to be honest
[15:15] <tomreyn> my understanding is that the goal there is to drop all, then add just the windows 2015 one
[15:16] <tomreyn> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html                         acpi_osi="!string2"     # remove string2
[15:16] <eraserpencil1> it's not booting...should i wait till it times out?
[15:16] <EriC^^> yeah that was my intention, i couldn't recall the command and i misread the google description, indeed !<something> removes something not resets acpi
[15:16] <EriC^^> my bad
[15:17] <eraserpencil1> so...acpi_osi="Windows 2015" only then
[15:17] <tomreyn> actually:   acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[15:18] <tomreyn> (as it says in the article)
[15:18] <tomreyn> http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[15:20] <graingert> BlackDex: thank you that script works great!
[15:21] <wabbits> does `dpkg -L` show what is installed or what should be installed?
[15:21] <eraserpencil1> tomreyn:  it got stuck somewhere...
[15:21] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: what got stuck?
[15:21] <eraserpencil1> the boot
[15:21] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: which boot?
[15:22] <EriC^^> wabbits: what is installed
[15:22] <eraserpencil1> errrr my boot?
[15:22] <EriC^^> wabbits: well, technically what should be installed
[15:22] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: ok
[15:22] <wabbits> thanks again
[15:22] <eraserpencil1> i entered acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" and tried booting again and it got stuck
[15:23] <EriC^^> wabbits: what's the problem you're having maybe i can help somehow?
[15:23] <eraserpencil1> will try acpi=force later
[15:23] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: aha, that's the info i was looking for :) did you have other parameters with this?
[15:23] <EriC^^> eraserpencil1: did you erase both parameters you mentioned earlier btw?
[15:24] <EriC^^> pci=something
[15:24] <eraserpencil1> if i pressed 'e' on the grub, and then f10 after, it will boot with what i edited right?
[15:24] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:24] <eraserpencil1> cause the parameters came back after i force shutdown
[15:24] <EriC^^> yeah, it's a one-time edit
[15:24] <wabbits> EriC^^ I was helping someone on #alsa. They have a problem with alsa configuration persistence.
[15:24] <eraserpencil1> i removed something noirq and something biosirq
[15:25] <EriC^^> wabbits: i see :)
[15:25] <wabbits> looks like they are missing one of the systemd scripts.
[15:25] <wabbits> I have to go now though.
[15:25] <wabbits> thanks again
[15:25] <EriC^^> no problem
[15:25] <BlackDex> graingert: np :) glad i could help
[15:26] <wabbits> EriC^^ maybe I can send him over here?
[15:26] <EriC^^> sure
[15:26] <wabbits> ok will do, good on you
[15:27] <eraserpencil1> are we sure it's not supposed to be acpi_osi="Windows 2015"
[15:27] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: you cantry the others returned by this: sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows ' | sort | uniq
[15:28] <eraserpencil1> tomreyn: errr where would i type in this command? in the 'e' of the grub screen ?
[15:29] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: no, on the botted system
[15:29] <tomreyn> *booted
[15:30] <tomreyn> if the boot is taking more than a few minutes i would just reboot to recovery
[15:32] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: this command is part of the acpi_osi.sh script you probably downloaded and ran previously.
[15:34] <tomreyn> but it would actually be good to see the system log for the boot you did with acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[15:34] <eraserpencil1> but it dosent boot....
[15:34] <tomreyn> how far does it get?
[15:34] <eraserpencil1> it gets stuck after some [ok]....
[15:35] <eraserpencil1> not much help i know, but i cant describe further
[15:35] <EriC^^> if it used to boot, after removing what did it stop booting? the acpi=noirq stuff?
[15:35] <eraserpencil1> yea
[15:37] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: did you drop "quiet splash" off GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub ?
[15:37] <tomreyn> you could also add "verbose"
[15:38] <eraserpencil1> is there a space between ! and " in acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[15:39] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: no
[15:39] <tomreyn> yes
[15:39] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: sorry, YES! I misread
[15:39] <eraserpencil1> there should be a space
[15:39] <eraserpencil1> ok
[15:39] <tomreyn> and i meant "debug", not "verbose", sorry
[15:39] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: you're adding 2 separate options and all options are space-separated, which is why the 2nd option has to be surrounded in quotes
[15:40] <eraserpencil1> let me try that with acpi=noirq and pci=biosirq
[15:40] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: since the 2nd option actually has a space in it
[15:40] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: if you have a smartphone take a picture of the stalled boot process and upload it to imgur.com and share the link here to the image
[15:42] <eraserpencil1> ok acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" acpi=noirq pci=biosirq has less errors than acpi_osi="Windows 2015" acpi=noirq pci=biosirq
[15:43] <kilde__> tomreyen: well, my upgrade failed due to unsigned kernels. Is there a fix for this?
[15:43] <eraserpencil1> would there be interests in the dmesg  or should i try out alone acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[15:44] <eraserpencil1> cryptodan: the boot process runs abit then stalls, i might not be able to capture what's successful already in a picture
[15:45] <cryptodan> the failing part should be what you are trying to solve
[15:46] <eraserpencil1> tomreyn: in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT now has "debug ignore_level"
[15:46] <eraserpencil1> cryptodan: I dont actually get any Failed print out actually, it just gets stuck...
[15:47] <cryptodan> the picture would highlight the stalled pint
[15:47] <cryptodan> point*
[15:47] <eraserpencil1> ok
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: did you mention your graphics card chipset & driver yet earlier?
[15:48] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: i don't know "ignore_level", what does this do?
[15:48] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: eraserpencil's earlier dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FYrgmMPqs2/
[15:48] <eraserpencil1> lotuspsychje: i actually dont know what to give you even after the lshw command. but the gpu is gtx 1070 max q
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: did you try get in your system with !nomodeset yet?
[15:49] <eraserpencil1> no
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | eraserpencil1 can you try that please
[15:50] <eraserpencil1> tomreyn: ignore_level was something TJ- asked me to add in when we were trying to debug an older bios about a month ago
[15:50] <eraserpencil1> I had to leave so it was left unfixed. there was a new bios recently and i thought i might as well give it a try
[15:50] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: interesting, i can't seem to find anythong on "ignore_level" on the internet.
[15:51] <eraserpencil1> i hope i didnt type it wrong
[15:51] <tomreyn> TJ-: do you remember?
[15:53] <eraserpencil1> tomreyn: but safe to have debug in for now right?
[15:53] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: its having issues finding your nvidia card do you have nvidia in your machine if so is it alive and working here?
[15:53] <eraserpencil1> OH
[15:54] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: safe, yes, but it could slow down the boot a little. and if you are just amking sure you can boot up at all right now then i'd omit anything that's not strictly needed for a stable boot for now.
[15:55] <eraserpencil1> it might not be alive.... in BIOS,the gpu had a weird name. and when i boot to windows, my fans went crazy
[15:55] <tomreyn> cryptodan: the nvidia card gets no irq due to acpi=noirq, i would guess.
[15:55] <tomreyn> at least during the boot you probably just looked at
[15:56] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: if the card failed then that maybe why its stalling as it cant find it and is unable to load the nvidia drivers
[15:56] <eraserpencil1> oh, the bios just showed the model number of smtg... Nvidia N17E-G2 which google says is a gtx 1070m
[15:56] <eraserpencil1> then there is the coffeelake graphics
[15:56] <tomreyn> so this suggests it's seated properly
[15:57] <TJ-> tomreyn: eraserpencil1 ignore_loglevel was to ensure ALL kernel messages are reported
[15:57] <eraserpencil1> ignore_loglevel...
[15:57] <eraserpencil1> i wrote it wrong...
[15:57] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks, miracle solved
[16:00] <eraserpencil1> cryptodan: i'm having trouble with imgur atm, give me awhile for the photo
[16:01] <eraserpencil1> if it helps, the last prints are the brightness of backlight has been started
[16:03] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: do you have secure boot enabled if so try disabling it?
[16:03] <eraserpencil1> nope
[16:04] <cryptodan> then it might be time to see if your lap top is still under warranty for possible replacement
[16:04] <eraserpencil1> hmm everything works on windows, so i dont think it is the hardware...
[16:06] <eraserpencil1> it's the bios and  need to find the right flags to get a temporary fix
[16:08] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: http://dpaste.com/2B08PXV
[16:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:08] <eraserpencil1> cryptodan: yea, i cant find the toggles in BIOS to switch those
[16:09] <cryptodan> usually in the pci options
[16:10] <eraserpencil1> it's a very limited bios, i do not have pci options
[16:11] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: do we have a LP bug report tracking this, with stuff like the dmesg/lspci logs attached?
[16:11] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: it'd make it easier to follow and think about, seeing as it isn't going to be solved instantly
[16:12] <eraserpencil1> ooohhh... my first bug report
[16:16] <nehaljwani> Hi! In the output for apt list --installed | grep <my-package>, I see that it shows the output as <my-package>/unknown . What does the 'unknown' here refer to? What should I be fixing?
[16:16] <nehaljwani> Note, I see this only when it installs from the repo. If it is installed via dpkg -i , it shows <my-package>/now
[16:17] <tomreyn> nehaljwani: which repository is this?
[16:18] <nehaljwani> it's a custom repo I created using reprepro
[16:18] <cryptodan> eraserpencil1: can you disable the nvidia card and see if it boots fine with intel card?
[16:18] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: for the lspci, capture *all* the data using "sudo lspci -nnvvvk"
[16:19] <eraserpencil1> How do I give a good bug report? the docs are quite package-focused...
[16:19] <eraserpencil1> cryptodan: i cant disable the nvidia card in the bios.. i dont have an option for it
[16:19] <thaurwylth> Ah, are we again dealing with the good old 'boots into completely black screen' problem?
[16:19] <nehaljwani> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rVDBRDYpCk/
[16:19] <eraserpencil1> thaurwylth: i do wish....
[16:20] <tomreyn> nehaljwani: did you have it configured and ran "apt-get update" before you ran "apt list --installed | grep <my-package>"?
[16:20] <nehaljwani> Yes, of course
[16:20] <q9> Hi, how do tell plasmashell not to pause the playback on suspend? I am controlling a remote mpd with cantata.
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> !bug | eraserpencil1
[16:20] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: report it against "linux"
[16:21] <eraserpencil1> yea...but it's not exactly a package right?
[16:21] <eraserpencil1> oh
[16:21] <nehaljwani> tomreyn: It's publically reachable, if you want to try in a container
[16:21] <thaurwylth> Anyways, is the situation still the same that there are different packages for NVidia and the proprietary package is the good one?
[16:21] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: you can do it directly, once logged into launchpad, with via https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[16:22] <tomreyn> nehaljwani: not really, and i must admit i'm not too excited to spend much time since this is not really a support question, rather a developer question.
[16:22] <nehaljwani> Is this not the right forum to ask about this?
[16:23] <tomreyn> nehaljwani: we only do support here. there are other channels which focus on development
[16:23] <nehaljwani> I think there is something wrong in the way the repo is being created. Because if I upload the deb to artifactory and then install it from there, it shows it as <my-package>/stable
[16:24] <nehaljwani> Could you point me to the dev channel please?
[16:24] <tomreyn> nehaljwani: try asking !alis - i think there is #ubuntu-app-devel and #ubuntu-devel (the latter is not for dev support, though, IIRC)
[16:25] <tomreyn> !alis | nehaljwani
[16:25] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: so dmesg and lspci -nnvvvk
[16:25] <eraserpencil1> is journalctl -b needed
[16:25] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: Yes please
[16:25] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: no, that's dmesg too :)
[16:25] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: if we need more we can then ask for specifics via bug comments
[16:26] <eraserpencil1> cool
[16:26] <eraserpencil1> thanks
[16:26] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: also means we can ask some kernel team devs to take a look
[16:28] <thaurwylth> Anyways, I just bought a used Thinkpad. It has an i7 from the era of 4000 series (obviously a mobile version) and 8 GB RAM. And an 256 GB SSD. Now I'm musing what to do with it. There's an upgraded W10 licence, but I guess I'll install a Ubuntu or Xubuntu on it. Considering the hardware it's not really slow or throttled, so probably there are not too many gains by using Xubuntu, hm?
[16:29] <EriC^^> thaurwylth: probably not
[16:30] <iomari> greetings, I presently have opensuse on my laptop. IF I install kubuntu, will I get a dual boot grub menu or do I have to configure grub after install?
[16:30] <iomari> I already have a spare/clean partition for kubuntu.
[16:30] <EriC^^> iomari: it should pick it up i believe
[16:31] <iomari> EriC^^: cool
[16:31] <iomari> thanks
[16:31] <EriC^^> no problem
[16:31] <tomreyn> iomari: you should probably make sure that only one of the two manages grub.
[16:31] <shibboleth> TJ-, you have any clout in #linux? i seem to have gotten +b over a reconnect or something
[16:31] <thaurwylth> In the past GRUB found out other systems at least when doing apt-get dist-upgrade. (I haven't done this stuff in quite a while, I'm actually excited about the new laptop!)
[16:31] <shibboleth> update-grub2
[16:31] <iomari> tomreyn: understood
[16:32] <iomari> thanks
[16:32] <tomreyn> yw
[16:33] <shibboleth> thaurwylth, 4000-series=haswell="new design". t-series 440/450?
[16:33] <TJ-> shibboleth: don't you mean ##linux ?
[16:33] <shibboleth> sure
[16:34] <shibboleth> the thinkpad t-series are pretty sweet but the coating on the trackpad gets worn out real fast
[16:34] <thaurwylth> X240, i.e. a smaller one.
[16:34] <thaurwylth> But it has a fullHD display nonetheless.
[16:34] <tomreyn> shibboleth: there is ##linux-ops
[16:34] <shibboleth> nothing wrong with those
[16:34] <shibboleth> good, was about to ask about the display
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> shibboleth: Do you have an Ubuntu support question? Please keep topics to Ubuntu OS specific
[16:35] <shibboleth> 1366x768 on a business machine in 2013? what was up with that? also: horrible PVA panel :)
[16:35] <shibboleth> TJ-, thanks
[16:35] <TJ-> shibboleth: --> [##linux] *!*@*tor-sasl* banned by sauvin (~sauvin@about/linux/staff/sauvin) on Sun, 13 Jan 2019 22:20:16
[16:35] <shibboleth> two days ago? really?
[16:36] <shibboleth> hmm
[16:36] <TJ-> shibboleth: it's all tor-sasl not just you
[16:37] <shibboleth> maybe i should get something to eat...
[16:37] <eraserpencil1> its done
[16:37] <eraserpencil1> i hope i did it right
[16:37] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: let us know the bug #
[16:38] <eraserpencil1> 1811869
[16:38] <TJ-> bug #1811869
[16:38] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I've assigned it to me and I'll keep track as/when ideas occur
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: you didnt use ubuntu-bug?
[16:39] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no, I recommended a direct report, there's too much unwanted logs otherwise
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> ah sorry didnt read
[16:40] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: the first thing you should do is try the latest mainline kernel build and attach its kernel log once it boots so we can see if there are any improvements (booting it without "acpi=noirq pci=biosirq" if possible)
[16:40] <TJ-> !mainline | eraserpencil1
[16:41] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: v5.0-rc2 is the one to try
[16:42] <tomreyn> also new firmware for the wireless, i guess. i hadn'T noticed this before
[16:42] <thaurwylth> So, would you guys presonally feel that a Windows double boot is needed on a laptop? I guess this is mainly about how much I want to use of that 256 GB for this and that, and also whether there might be some mysterious problems with GRUB acting wonky all of a sudden.
[16:43] <EriC^^> thaurwylth: 256gb seems like enough for like non storage kind of stuff
[16:44] <eraserpencil1> is upstream kernel mainline kernel
[16:44] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: Yes
[16:44] <EriC^^> i like windows + linux cause i like using linux daily cause its awesome but i also use windows for programs and stuff that linux doesnt have
[16:44] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: Ubuntu provide these builds to make it easier to install for testing
[16:45] <thaurwylth> Wait a moment... I actually might have a reasonable use case for W10. Yeah. Now that I think about it.
[16:45] <EriC^^> plus nobody uses linux so you'd probably a good idea to have windows on in case you need something or your friend does etc
[16:45] <tomreyn> thaurwylth: it is not unhzeard of that windows upgrades would overwrite grub on the mbr (if you have it there), so be prepared to be able to fix this if you multi boot
[16:45] <EriC^^> there are tons, i'm sure you'll run into many in the future as well :)
[16:46] <thaurwylth> Yeah, I have a USB optical drive on which I can use an Ubuntu Live DVD if all else is of no avail.
[16:46] <thaurwylth> And I guess Live Stick would be just as fine.
[16:46] <thaurwylth> Then you can run GRUB on command line, right?
[16:46] <tomreyn> using either, yes
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> thaurwylth: If the laptop is new enough, it may support booting from an external drive connected on the USB port (not a flash/thumb drive, but actual HDD) which you could then boot when you desired, or unplug to boot from the local installed OS
[16:48] <thaurwylth> I actually happen to have a couple of powered disk sleds! You know, the ones with a USB 3 adaptor!
[16:48] <thaurwylth> I'm well prepared, tee hee.
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> sounds like you have a few projects a head of you then
[16:50] <thaurwylth> Anyways, I'll spend some time checking how this thing boots up the native Windows (not done any installations yet). I might come back with more questions when I start doing the actual installation. And... ...
[16:50] <thaurwylth> ... ... this: https://xkcd.com/349/
[16:56] <thaurwylth> Is there #ubuntu-social or #ubuntu-watercooler (not related to harware cooling systems with water pipings)?
[16:57] <teward> thaurwylth: #ubuntu-offtopic for general banter but the CoC applies there too.
[16:57] <thaurwylth> Arright!
[17:02] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: didnt the amd64 build for v5.0-rc2 fail?
[17:03] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: I didn't look that far, I just used my local tool to list the available versions :) If so, try earlier builds
[17:11] <Bustin_> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1811815
[17:36] <seveneleven> hi
[17:36] <seveneleven> if my dns server runs on a different port than 53 do I have to write in /etc/network/interfaces for dns-nameservers also the port or still just the ip
[17:36] <seveneleven> ?
[17:37] <leftyfb> seveneleven: why does your dns server run on a different port?
[17:37] <seveneleven> because i use both stubby and bind9
[17:38] <seveneleven> bind9 53, stubby 8053
[17:38] <leftyfb> so switch them
[17:38] <seveneleven> that would defeat the idea of running stubby
[17:39] <leftyfb> changing it's port?
[17:39] <seveneleven> oh you mean switch ports
[17:39] <leftyfb> yeah
[17:39] <leftyfb> your endpoint should be on 53
[17:39] <seveneleven> thats more work to configure all other clients in the network to listen to bind9 port
[17:39] <seveneleven> only one client listens to stubby
[17:39] <seveneleven> more than 5 clients listen to bind9 :-)
[17:39] <seveneleven> I think i need to use dns-nameservers 127.0.0.1:8053
[17:39] <leftyfb> what about running one of them in a container on a different ip, but port 53
[17:40] <seveneleven> that will generate resolv.conf correctly
[17:40] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: I believe I'm already at my lastest which is 4.15. The others require llibssl1.1, which is available from bionic onwards. Seeing how i need to be on Xenial, I cant do kernels after 4.15
[17:40] <eraserpencil1> oh ...he left
[17:41] <tomreyn> newer kernels than 4.15 require llibssl1.1?
[17:41] <tomreyn> eraserpencil1: what makes you think so?
[17:42] <eraserpencil1> i tried dpkg -i install the deb files and got those prompt
[17:42] <tomreyn> which deb files?
[17:42] <eraserpencil1> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D
[17:42] <eraserpencil1> the ones here
[17:43] <tomreyn> thats a lot of debs
[17:44] <TJ-> Bustin_: thanks. I'll see if we can get it upstream and into Ubuntu
[17:45] <eraserpencil1> yea i tried both v5.0, 6 v4.20/ then tested every alternate one until 4.16.
[17:45] <eraserpencil1> im now on 4.15 sooo i stopped
[17:45] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: No, I'm here :)
[17:45] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: ahhh... that sounds like the module signing requirement for UEFI ... lets check
[17:48] <tomreyn> Package: linux-headers-5.0.0-050000rc1-generic
[17:48] <tomreyn> Depends: [..] libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0)
[17:48] <tomreyn> so indeed, i wasnt aware
[17:49] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: don't install the -headers package :)
[17:49] <tomreyn> if you dont need to build kernel modules you can probably get away without installiong this package though
[17:50] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: that is only needed if you're going to need to build DKMS modules and so on
[17:52] <eraserpencil1> i'm sorry, i might need more help.
[17:52] <babuloseo> whats going on
[17:52] <eraserpencil1> how do i not install the headers package
[17:52] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: don't include it's name in the "dpkg -i ..." command
[17:53] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: how are you trying to install the packages, what command(s) ?
[17:53] <babuloseo> this is why people should learn to compile their own kernel manually
[17:53] <babuloseo> >>.>>
[17:53] <eraserpencil1> sudo dpkg -i name.deb?
[17:54] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: correct ( -i <package.deb> means 'install' )
[17:55] <raj> can `apt-get -yqq update` and `apt-get -yqq python` be combined into a single command?
[17:55] <TJ-> raj: no, but you can chain them with '&&'
[17:55] <eraserpencil1> raj: apt-get -yqq update && apt-get -yqq update
[17:55] <eraserpencil1> woops
[17:56] <eraserpencil1> but you get the diea
[17:56] <eraserpencil1> idea
[17:56] <TJ-> raj:  as in command1 && command2 -- && evaluates command1 == true, and if it is, executes command2
[17:58] <raj> thank you eraserpencil1, TJ-!
[17:59] <bleb> my sound isn't working and i followed all the diagnostics here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[17:59] <raj> sorry, I meant apt-get install -yqq python
[18:00] <OerHeks> raj, why is python not installed??
[18:00] <bleb> for example sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav plays no sound to my headphones while they are plugged into the headphone jack
[18:00] <raj> OerHeks: I'm using docker, so not sure
[18:00] <raj> do you know if it is included
[18:00] <raj> ?
[18:01] <bleb> this is an intel nuc with an hdmi port and a headphone jack
[18:01] <OerHeks> oh oke, no idea about docker, out of my league
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> bleb: your ubuntu version?
[18:01] <bleb> lotuspsychje: 18.04
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> bleb: system up to date to latest?
[18:02] <bleb> lotuspsychje: it was as of 3 days ago but i will sudo apt upgrade and reboot...
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> bleb: is your bios up to date also, on nuc's that might solve alot of things
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> bleb: you can check your bios firmware with inxi -F
[18:05] <mmkumr> Whenever I disconnect the wifi after that nm-applet shows `device not ready`. Every time I have restart my nework-manager after disconnecting. For more information here is my system log in pastebin:- https://pastebin.com/q5FME7Wy
[18:06] <raj> I was having a similar issue as OP in this forum, but when I tried to apt-get install gir1.2-gtk3.0, it says couldn't locate the package: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/mepis-64/python-and-gtk-cannot-find-typelib-4175533551/ should I be looking for some analogous package instead?
[18:07] <bleb> lotuspsychje: upgrading seems to have fixed it, i feel dumb
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> dont worry bleb glad it worked
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> bleb: wich nuc type did you get?
[18:08] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: I'm gonna sleep now. Will look up for any updates on the bug report. Thanks for the help.
[18:09] <TJ-> eraserpencil1: OK... hibernate for a few weeks and we may get a fix :)
[18:09] <eraserpencil1> EriC^^: tomreyn:  lotuspsychje: Thanks for the help too!
[18:09] <kinghat> wat? just got this after reboot: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XbJIsFuW/irccloudcapture3225828814757979401.jpg
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: we will split the cookies :p
[18:10] <kinghat> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9Lo1tC1H/irccloudcapture4476929924143893964.jpg
[18:10] <kinghat> don't see any errors in the file.
[18:11] <eraserpencil1> i can continue using ubuntu...just no gtx1070 for now...no biggie
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil1: try nomodeset and install nvidia :p
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: ubuntu version and graphics card chipset please?
[18:13] <kinghat> 18.04 and AMD 570
[18:14] <kinghat> Polaris?
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: thats on kubuntu 18.04 right?
[18:15] <kinghat> KDE Neon
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: install went fine? did you try the live mode?
[18:17] <kinghat> I've been running this for months. did a reboot after some recent updates.
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: ah thank you for the info
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: did you try booting a previous kernel yet?
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: did you notice recent kde bad updates recently?
[18:18] <kinghat> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/K7fHiCFT/irccloudcapture1133846848089900759.jpg
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: are you using amdgpu from default ubuntu, or installed from..?
[18:19] <kinghat> from the kernel. haven't installed anything specific for the AMD
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> kinghat: you might wanna try !nomodeset or the #kde-neon channel
[18:21] <kinghat> ya I'm over there.
[18:22] <kinghat> `startx` did this: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zvPvNHn9/irccloudcapture7854222258123792808.jpg
[18:22] <kinghat> improvement
[18:23] <ebol4> using NetworkManager to connect to wifi, it is adding a default route (expected), but it is not adding a route at the subnet level (10.0.0.0/24 via wlan0)
[18:23] <ebol4> is there something obvious i'm missing?
[18:25] <ebol4>    /wc
[18:36] <raj> !info libjpeg-dev xenial
[18:37] <raj> for some reason I'm getting "/bin/sh: 1: libjpeg-dev: not found" in ubuntu 16.04 even though it's clearly existent as per ubottu
[18:37] <OerHeks> ubottu does not look in your machine
[18:37] <OerHeks> see?
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:38] <raj> OerHeks: I was apt-get installing it though
[18:39] <raj> thoughts?
[18:40] <OerHeks> after install there is no need for reboot, so it must be something else going wrong
[18:40] <OerHeks> what are you building, and pastebin the whole log please?
[18:40] <raj> me?
[18:41] <raj> I didn't say anything about reboot
[18:41] <OerHeks> raj, yes
[18:41] <lordcirth_> raj, did you do an apt update first?
[18:41] <raj> yes
[18:42] <raj> https://paste.ee/p/sawyb
[18:42] <OerHeks> that is not the whole error log
[18:43] <raj> This is the error: https://paste.ee/p/WgCBT
[18:44] <lordcirth_> raj, um, why do you have &&'s there?
[18:44] <raj> lordcirth_: to break the lines
[18:44] <lordcirth_> You are trying to run the command 'libjpeg-dev', not install a package
[18:44] <lordcirth_> That's not how && works
[18:44] <tomreyn> scratch those && other then the very first pair and it should be fine
[18:45] <lordcirth_> You can use \ before a newline instead
[18:45] <raj> that's dockerfile syntax for breaking lines
[18:45] <lordcirth_> && means, in practice, 'if the first command succeeded, run the second one'
[18:45] <ioria> and clearly  libjpeg-dev it's not a cmd
[18:45] <lordcirth_> Well, as you can see, they are being inserted into the command, not parsed by docker
[18:46] <raj> yes you're right
[18:46] <raj> wtf
[18:47] <raj> Looks like I misread the docs
[18:47] <raj> It is just a slash
[18:47] <raj> sorry
[18:47] <OerHeks> :-)
[19:00] <janat08> trying to install xf86-video-qxl, and it says xorg-server isn't installed. although xorg is installed. I should I look into installing this driver for qemu VM through nix or something?
[19:03] <sruli> how do i cut text with xclip? (not copy but cut)
[19:06] <raj> I hate when it's pebkac
[19:27] <Kumool> sruli: xsel -d
[19:27] <Kumool> sruli: dont use xclip
[19:28] <sruli> Kumool: thanks (whats wrong with xclip)?
[19:29] <Kumool> sruli: if you ever want to know what's wrong with a program, just compare manpages
[19:31] <raj> in what version of ubuntu does `python` refer to v3?
[19:35] <raj> or never?
[19:40] <sruli> Kumool: i managed to get the text into a var and edit it, now i need to paste it back in the gui, how?
[19:42] <Kumool> sruli: what program is this that doesn't have ctrl+v?
[19:42] <Kumool> xsel -o will print to stdout
[19:44] <OerHeks> raj,  easy to find on launchpad, 3.7
[19:44] <sruli> i need to manipulate alot of text (need to put some into [] and some into () ), i want to select it and do a keyboard shortcut which will take the text add the brackets and paste it back, i got as far as putting the highlighted text into the bracket now i need to overwrite the highlighted text (in librecalc)
[19:44] <raj> OerHeks: actually found out it still refers to 2 even though there are no python2 dependencies left in a default installation
[19:45] <Kumool> sruli: you can probably use xdotool
[19:46] <sruli> Kumool: to paste? how?
[19:46] <thaurwylth> What's a typical disk footprint for Ubuntu (capital U, nothing in front) 18.04 or 18.10? Let's say the regular use for / and /home .
[19:47] <thaurwylth> I'm taking /home into this in the sense that at least in the old days many programs and installations used /home to store all sorts of .hidden_stuff there for storing setups, cookies, whatever.
[19:47] <Kumool> sruli: translate this into your shell's syntax ->   IFS='' { xdotool type --window $ID `{ xsel -o } }
[19:48] <sruli> Kumool: thanks, and how do i exec (call) that line?
[19:48] <Kumool> sruli: isnt the recommended way to export into csv and then import again with all the changes?
[19:50] <Kumool> sruli: you need to find the window ID first, with xprop
[19:50] <sruli> Kumool: doesnt make a difference, the changes have to be done manually there is no consistency in the data structure so have to manually select whicy text to edit
[19:51] <sruli> Kumool: i get the window ID with "xdotool getactivewindow"
[19:52] <Kumool> sruli: wont getactivewindow return the current terminal you are running the command in?
[19:52] <sruli> Kumool: no becuase i am using a keyboard shortcut to execute the script while in libre calc
[19:55] <sruli> Kumool: this is my current script https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FTVP2QpB53/
[19:56] <sruli> Kumool: and this is the logfile when executing the shortcut https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CV974ypDNd/
[19:56] <Kumool> sruli: IFS="" xdotool type --window $(xdotool getactivewindow) $( xsel -o --(clipboard or primary or secondary here)  )
[19:57] <Kumool> that's in sh
[19:57] <sruli> Kumool: bash
[19:59] <Kumool> sruli: replace line 9 with what i typed there which is sh
[19:59] <sruli> Kumool: like this "IFS="" xdotool type --window $(xdotool getactivewindow) $( xsel -o --p )" ?
[20:10] <Kumool> sruli: literally ->   IFS="" xdotool type --window $(xdotool getactivewindow) $( xsel -o )
[20:10] <Kumool> --p doesnt exist
[20:11] <sruli> Kumool: but how do i get it the clipboard content to be $sq_out?
[20:12] <Kumool> oh, replace the $(xsel -o) to just $sq_out
[20:12] <Kumool> also you don't need logfiles
[20:12] <Kumool> but leave that for later, when you're more experienced with shellscript
[20:12] <sruli> Kumool: without calling xsel? (only using log for testing)
[20:13] <Kumool> quite frankly you're better off asking in #bash
[20:13] <Kumool> people are really strict in this channel
[20:14] <Kumool> sruli: the replacement is already saved in $sq_out, so you don't have to call paste...?
[20:14] <sruli> Kumool: thanks, almost there, log has no more errors, just need to get xsel to put the $sq_out, current output is + xdotool type --window 83908104 '[regreeeg]'
[20:14] <sruli> Kumool: how would i paste without calling xsel?
[20:16] <Kumool> sruli: you are not pasting with xsel, you are using xdotool type to literally type the string into the window
[20:16] <sruli> Kumool: its not typing
[20:16] <rbanffy_> Is anyone else having problems with bionic Docker images trying to install Python packages from PyPI?
[20:17] <sruli> Kumool: i mean its not entering the text $sq_out into libre calc
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> rbanffy_: It's best to contact the group responsible for those docker images.
[20:23] <Kumool> sruli: xsel -i should be xsel -o in sq_in i think
[20:23] <ioria> right
[20:26] <sruli> Kumool: changed that, it still does not replac the text
[20:28] <Kumool> sruli: xsel -d at least removes the text?
[20:28] <sruli> Kumool: havnt tried that, but xsel -o  copies it
[20:28] <Kumool> xsel -o should not copy text
[20:28] <Kumool> xsel -i copies it
[20:29] <ioria> sruli, do you want your 'selection' in brackets  ?
[20:29] <sruli> ioria: yes
[20:29] <sruli> Kumool: xsel -d does not delete it
[20:29] <ioria> sruli, try this (from terminal) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FTVP2QpB53/
[20:31] <sruli> ioria: unexpected end of file output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ndzSvjk36g/
[20:32] <rbanffy_> pragmaticenigma: do you know where to find them?
[20:32] <ioria> sruli, there is no 'sqBracket' in my script
[20:33] <ioria> sruli, you're not running my script
[20:33] <Kumool> ioria: you didnt paste your script
[20:33] <Kumool> you pasted sruli's i think
[20:33] <sruli> ioria: yes ^^
[20:33] <ioria> sorry
[20:33] <ioria> sruli, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FTVP2QpB53/
[20:33] <megadorus> After terminating a "rclone copy" process that hasn't finished and wanting to start it again, do I need to add the option --update or can I just run the same command again? (I don't want to upload the files I already successfully transferred again, only the ones I stopped mid-transfer.)
[20:34] <sruli> ioria: thats mine again
[20:34] <ioria> wt
[20:34] <ioria> sruli, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F3JfzCdyyn/
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> rbanffy_: should have been provided wherever you obtained the images from.
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> rbanffy_: If there was no contact information provided... then you probably shouldn't be using that image.
[20:35] <Kumool> sruli: this is the entire command just select your text and execute this -> IFS="" xdotool type --window $( xdotool getactivewindow ) $(printf "[%s]\n" $( xsel -o ) )
[20:35] <ioria> sruli, you need xclip , sy again
[20:36] <benergy> Hey guys, I've been trying to develop a mechanism to automatically setup my system. I've come up with a pretty long script, but every time I use it again, I am worried that changes to Ubuntu and/or software break it. Does anyone have a good suggestion to solve that problem?
[20:36] <Kumool> IFS="" xdotool type --window $( xdotool getactivewindow ) $(printf "[%s]\n" $( xsel -o --clipboard ) )
[20:37] <benergy> (Setting up folder structure, installing a lot of software, applying changes via dconf-commands, and the like)
[20:37] <Kumool> forgot the --clipboard
[20:39] <Kumool> sruli: most programs copy to the --clipboard, if it doesnt work, then use --primary or --secondary
[20:41] <sruli> Kumool: output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wCYfXNNVnW/ it doesnt like that command
[20:44] <rbanffy_> pragmaticenigma: I'm using the ubuntu:bionic Docker images. ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯.
[20:44] <sruli> ioria: your script minimises the window and does not change the text, but the log output seems fine https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wtPZbcp9CT/
[20:45] <ioria> sruli, i just tested with libreoffice calc, and it works ...
[20:46] <sruli> ioria:: yes, great, i tested in gedit and libre write!
[20:46] <ioria> sruli, ok....
[20:47] <OerHeks> rfleming, you might want to reask in the #docker channels
[20:47] <OerHeks> oops rfleming > rbanffy_
[20:47] <sruli> ioria: thanks
[20:47] <ioria> sruli, no prob
[20:47] <sruli> Kumool: thanks for your help
[20:50] <adrian_1908> Hello. Should /var/log/boot.log usually be empty? I wanted to check plymouth startup messages, as there's some really long line that scrolls by to fast to read.
[21:01] <OerHeks> adrian_1908, how do you open it, with sudo?
[21:02] <adrian_1908> OerHeks: it shows as 0 size via `ls -l`
[21:03] <adrian_1908> What's your ownership of the file, mine is root:root with 600 permissions. Maybe the owner is wrong?
[21:06] <OerHeks> it is owned by root, sudo ls -l would show the real number
[21:07] <OerHeks> that is why i asked; how do you open that file
[21:08] <adrian_1908> yeah, I did `sudo cat boot.log`. Either way, via sudo it's listed as empty and prints as such.
[21:09] <OerHeks> that would be not good. it should contain some info
[21:10] <OerHeks> so, i think there might be a filesystem issue, so now it is mounted read only
[21:10] <OerHeks> ?
[21:10] <OerHeks> the command "mount" would tell, or touch filename.txt # and enter
[21:11] <bumbabumbabumba> adrian_1908: perhaps your distro doesn't use boot.log.
[21:12] <bumbabumbabumba> journalctl -b ?
[21:13] <adrian_1908> bumbabumbabumba: yeah, that's why I'm asking in Ubuntu channel (I use Xubuntu 18.04). journalctl -b outputs the recent stuff, but is that the same as what plymouth prints (sans the [ OK ] brackets)? I cannot tell since it scrolls by so fast.
[21:14] <adrian_1908> One message in plymouth looked very long (out of place) and possibly of interest, so I wanted to investigate.
[21:16] <adrian_1908> Anyway, I gotta go to bed soon, will have to come back tomorrow if there's no certain answer right now.
[21:32] <AvidWolf43> hey guys im trying to setup a webserver that requires me to upload a p12 key from localhost. the server I spun up is headless ubuntu and I need a way to get to localhost(on another network) via webbrowser
[21:32] <AvidWolf43> can anyone assist on a possible solution to this ?
[21:36] <teward> AvidWolf43: by 'localhost' you mean from the server itself.
[21:36] <teward> right?
[21:36] <teward> not "remotely uploaded"
[21:37] <AvidWolf43> yes teward
[21:37] <AvidWolf43> i dont want to install a DE for this unless I have to
[21:39] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: that should just need an scp transfer as in "scp myfile.p12 user@remotehost:"
[21:40] <AvidWolf43> right but [ip]:port gets you to the setup page for the application, once you start integrating with gsuite it requests the .p12 key. It also specifies this will not work from remote, must be done via localhost
[21:43] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: sounds crazy!
[21:43] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: maybe you do it via an a proxy tunnel using netcat/nc
[21:45] <AvidWolf43> yeah basically set up a vpn temporarily for the configuration and kill it when done
[21:46] <TJ-> AvidWolf43: as the folks in ##linux are saying, an SSH port-forward should also work, and is easier to set up
[21:47] <AvidWolf43> TJ-: thanks
[21:48] <DonaldKBrown> Hi everyone. I'm trying to upgrade a server I've got that's still running 14.04 to 18.04. I know it has to run through 16.04 first. However, my issue is that running do-release-upgrade says no new release found.
[21:51] <EriC^^> DonaldKBrown: what does "grep -i prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" give?
[21:52] <DonaldKBrown> # Default prompting behavior, valid options:
[21:52] <DonaldKBrown> #Prompt=lts
[21:52] <DonaldKBrown> Prompt=never
[21:53] <genii> DonaldKBrown: There is also Prompt=normal  ...which just looks for the next consecutive version to upgrade to
[21:54] <EriC^^> DonaldKBrown: you could put Prompt=lts instead of never
[21:55] <DonaldKBrown> Thanks, guys. I feel dumb now. I wonder how that got set.
[22:05] <former9> how can i find file by creation date ?
[22:07] <pragmaticenigma> former9: take a look at the man page for find: "man find"
[22:08] <thaurwylth> How about my question which is on the web-based log at 19:46? I found out that there is a recommendation of a 25 GB disk. Is this for all of the three, /, /home and swap, and does this division of three even make sense in 2019?
[22:08] <thaurwylth> Former9, also, do you already know what you are looking for, or completely out of the dark?
[22:08] <thaurwylth> And do you want to find it on GUI or on commandline?
[22:09] <pragmaticenigma> thaurwylth: partitioning the drive is personal preference. The recommended 25 GB is a global total
[22:09] <thaurwylth> Okeys!
[22:09] <former9> thaurwylth, with terminal i want to find
[22:09] <former9> i know the creation date of the file
[22:09] <former9> so i want to find the lcoation of it
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> thaurwylth: common practice that I do and others is to partition at least /home on it's own. Makes reinstalls and swapping distros easier
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> former9: Again: the terminal command "find" does everything you are looking for. You need to read the man page to see what options and parameters you need to give it to find what you are looking for
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> !find | former9
[22:11] <pragmaticenigma> heh... sorry about that
[22:12] <EriC^^> former9: sudo find / -iname "name-of-file"                should do it
[22:12] <former9> pragmaticenigma, i didn't say command "find" , i said i want to find ..
[22:12] <EriC^^> former9: if you're lucky, "locate name-of-file" will do it too quicker
[22:12] <former9> EriC^^, i dont know the name , all i know is creation date
[22:12] <EriC^^> oh
[22:13] <EriC^^> former9: well find can do that too, look at the man page for mtime and ctime and whatnot
[22:13] <pragmaticenigma> former9: the command/program "find" is for searching for files using the terminal. AGAIN go to terminal and type "man find" for helpful information on how to use it to search your computer
[22:14] <former9> pragmaticenigma, why not giving me the command :/
[22:14] <pragmaticenigma> former9: because 1) I don't know what it is you are looking for 2) you won't learn anything if you don't read the man page 3) when you don't learn anything, you're back here again asking the same question again
[22:15] <thaurwylth> Also, there might be more than one parameter on the manual page that could be useful. You'll only know which one is the best after you've checked them out, because only you know what you eventually want the search to achieve.
[22:16] <pragmaticenigma> former9: I live by the "give a person a fish they eat for a day, teach them to fish and they eat for a lifetime"
[22:17] <pragmaticenigma> former9: once you have read the man page, and have more questions, we can help further. but the basics are all there.
[22:18] <reallymemorable> I am running an EC2 instance with Ubuntu and I am trying to `sh` a bash file that takes a long time to run.  I ran `nohup sh filename.sh` but after a while I got this error, which I thought nohup was supposed to address: `packet_write_wait: Connection to 3.16.213.143 port 22: Broken pipe`
[22:18] <former9> pragmaticenigma, i already find how to find using modification , but i'm trying to find creation
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> reallymemorable: EC2 instances are not supported here as they installation is not provided by Canonical or Ubuntu.
[22:19] <reallymemorable> ah ok
[22:19] <reallymemorable> thanks
[22:20] <jeremy31> TJ-: Any chance you could get this committed upstream for ideapad-laptop https://github.com/jeremyb31/ideapad-laptop/commit/9c89a0c2121601f7975418a5b925d097f1984911
[22:22] <TJ-> jeremy31: not up to me, you'd need to approach the module maintainer(s)
[22:22] <pragmaticenigma> former9: creation dates are not tracked by the file system
[22:23] <jeremy31> TJ-: I don't have the internet connection to be downloading linux-next to have it committed
[22:23] <admin0> hi all .. i am trying to netboot ubuntu ... on the tftpserver, i see that it loads linux and then initrd.gz .. but instead of moving foward, it again downloads linux and then the initrd.gz continously
[22:25] <TJ-> jeremy31: you don't need to, just use "scripts/get_maintainers.pl drivers/platform/x86/ideapad-laptop.c" and email maintainer(s) listed
[22:25] <TJ-> jeremy31: usually it is best to email the given mailing list as a CC too
[22:26] <EriC^^> former9: http://moiseevigor.github.io/software/2015/01/30/get-file-creation-time-on-linux-with-ext4/
[22:27] <jeremy31> TJ-:  thanks
[22:29] <TJ-> jeremy31: it might be in our favour that the first listed maintainer has a Canonical email address - not sure if that person is still active though
[22:33] <jeremy31> TJ-: Even tested https://askubuntu.com/questions/1104218/no-wifi-adapter-found-on-new-lenovo-yoga-c930-with-ubuntu-18-10/1104240#1104240
[22:34] <AvidWolf43> exit
[22:35] <TJ-> jeremy31: the patch makes perfect sense and avoids users needing to wait for a hard-coded DMI patch
[22:42] <kinghat> in `dpkg -l` is it possible to show only the packages with a status  of `rc`?
[22:43] <TJ-> kinghat: not directly, but: "dpkg -l | grep ^rc"
[22:46] <kinghat> so i had to reinstall the DE for kde-neon: `sudo apt install neon-desktop` because for some reason after installed updates and then rebooting it lost itsself? 🤷‍♂️
[22:47] <kinghat> anyways, some of my applications were not installed anymore and i can see that using `dpkg -`: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/45a871e3/
[22:47] <kinghat> it shows `etcher-electron as not installed but i can launch it no problem.
[22:48] <kinghat> `fluxgui` is opening as well.
[22:52] <pragmaticenigma> !neon | kinghat
[22:52] <kinghat> sure but the base is the same. and the packaging is the same. dpkg is the same..
[22:53] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: No they are not, and discussion is not appropriate here. Please, if you have issues with KDE-Neon, use their official help channels for help and discussion.
[22:54] <OerHeks> No, the packages and config is specific their support, under the KDE flag, you would have more chance in #kubuntu
[22:55] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: They would not, they will have the same result and be told to go to #kde-neon
[22:55] <kinghat> sure but the way dpkg lists things and why is the same.
[22:55] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: Again, this isn't the place for debate or discussion. You have been told were it is appropriate, please go there.
[22:58] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: This channels purpose to support Ubuntu as it is provided through official Ubuntu and Canonical distribution networks and websites. It's community is focused on supporting Ubuntu. Just like it isn't appropriate to go to #debian and ask about ubuntu, It is not appropriate to come here and expect support for kde-neon.
[22:58] <OerHeks>  KDE neon is however not *compatible* with Kubuntu, as there is vast overlap in the base offerings of both Kubuntu and KDE neon. https://neon.kde.org/faq
[22:58] <OerHeks> just saying, to clarify
[23:14] <kinghat> https://science.slashdot.org/story/19/01/15/0530234/method-for-fooling-cancer-cells-into-fat-cells-can-stop-cancers-spread
[23:14] <SlidingHorn> !ot | kinghat
[23:16] <OerHeks> wrong channel indeed, but interesting
[23:17] <Kumool> I fail to see how its off topic when ubuntu is a cancer to the open source world :P
[23:18] <OerHeks> i am sure there is an ubuntu.iso involved :-P
[23:18] <OerHeks> but this channel is so buzy, offtopic remarks are confusing.
[23:18] <hggdh> Kumool: you are free to (1) leave Ubuntu; (2) expose your views on another channel. Please, not here