| didrocks | good morning | 07:24 |
|---|---|---|
| duflu | Hi didrocks | 07:25 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 07:30 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 08:40 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 08:42 |
| oSoMoN | good afternoon duflu, had a good week-end? | 08:42 |
| duflu | oSoMoN, it was a blur. My birthweek celebrations concluded :) | 08:43 |
| duflu | You oSoMoN/ | 08:43 |
| duflu | ? | 08:43 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, I relaxed, saw friends and played LEGO with my daughter, all good :) | 08:44 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN | 08:45 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 08:45 |
| oSoMoN | ça va? | 08:46 |
| didrocks | ça va, week-end difficile pour les oreilles, mais ça passe un peu mieux là | 08:47 |
| didrocks | et toi ? | 08:47 |
| didrocks | apparement, partie de LEGO ;) | 08:47 |
| oSoMoN | oui, on a construit https://www.lego.com/en-us/mindstorms/build-a-robot/track3r :) | 08:48 |
| oSoMoN | pas encore attaqué la partie programmation, mais on s’est déjà bien amusés à l’assemblage et avec la télécommande infrarouge | 08:49 |
| didrocks | héhé ;) | 08:49 |
| didrocks | ça semble sympa | 08:50 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 08:59 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128 | 08:59 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN! en forme? bon w.e? | 08:59 |
| oSoMoN | oui, super week-end bien reposant, et toi? | 09:00 |
| seb128 | j'me suis bloqué le dos jeudi et c'était un peu pénible mais sinon w.e tranquille | 09:01 |
| Laney | moin | 09:02 |
| didrocks | hey seb128, Laney | 09:02 |
| oSoMoN | hey Laney | 09:03 |
| Laney | hey didrocks oSoMoN | 09:03 |
| Laney | you well? | 09:03 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, aïe, ça s’est débloqué depuis? | 09:03 |
| Laney | omg pgp encrypted irc | 09:04 |
| oSoMoN | all good on this side of the Pyrenees | 09:04 |
| Laney | some winter weather finally arrived here | 09:05 |
| willcooke | morning all | 09:06 |
| * Laney nods willcooke | 09:06 | |
| Laney | ok journey home? | 09:06 |
| willcooke | yeah fine | 09:07 |
| willcooke | got an exit row seat | 09:07 |
| Laney | small victories | 09:07 |
| willcooke | people up the back had rows to them selves | 09:07 |
| jamesh | we finally got the eastern states' heat wave over the weekend | 09:07 |
| jamesh | 40 max, 20 min | 09:07 |
| Laney | don't you think crossing the equator is lame? | 09:07 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 09:07 |
| Laney | i was expecting something cool to happen | 09:07 |
| Laney | like fireworks | 09:07 |
| * Laney spritzes jamesh | 09:07 | |
| Laney | was reading about that heatwave, sounds pretty brutal | 09:08 |
| jamesh | It's been pretty mild up to now in Perth | 09:09 |
| seb128 | hey Laney didrocks willcooke | 09:09 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, oui, ça va mieux depuis hier | 09:09 |
| Nafallo | morning | 09:11 |
| duflu | Morning Laney. Yeah as James alludes it is actually cooler than usual here. Just not for most of the continent | 09:12 |
| duflu | Well, has been many days | 09:12 |
| oSoMoN | morning willcooke, Nafallo | 09:13 |
| jamesh | http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW6111.latest.shtml <- we've mostly been looking at low 30s or high 20s | 09:13 |
| duflu | The heatwave when from NW to SE, but we are SW | 09:13 |
| duflu | Morning Nafallo | 09:14 |
| duflu | Bah, anything I say will be subjective and out of date. This is happier news though jamesh, https://www.watercorporation.com.au/water-supply/rainfall-and-dams/dam-levels | 09:24 |
| Trevinho | morning! | 09:25 |
| duflu | Hi Trevinho | 09:26 |
| Laney | hey Trevinho, how's it going? | 09:45 |
| Trevinho | ah hey duflu and Laney... | 09:56 |
| Trevinho | all good, you? | 09:57 |
| Laney | pretty sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet | 10:03 |
| Trevinho | don't know if already asked, but anyone could publish this when has a second https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3596 (maybe would be better to do the direct upload as SRU people doesn't like ppa syncs) | 10:17 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, do you know why the billeto diffs are empty recently (it is at least in this one and one other of the recent landing I landed for you) | 10:20 |
| Trevinho | nope, I've noticed that too though | 10:21 |
| Trevinho | sil2100: do you know that ^ | 10:21 |
| Trevinho | ? | 10:21 |
| Trevinho | hi seb128 btw :) | 10:21 |
| seb128 | hey trevinho :) | 10:21 |
| seb128 | I can upload that SRU btw | 10:21 |
| seb128 | we need it for bionic as well btw (unsure if that was already handled) | 10:21 |
| Trevinho | seb128: as far I know bionic wasn't affected. | 10:22 |
| seb128 | trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1769383 was reported on bionic though and that's were most comments are coming from? | 10:23 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1769383 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Ubuntu dock/launcher is shown on the lock screen" [High,In progress] | 10:23 |
| seb128 | e.G https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1812407 | 10:24 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1769383 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu Cosmic) "duplicate for #1812407 Ubuntu dock/launcher is shown on the lock screen" [High,In progress] | 10:24 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, SRU uploaded "old school diff" way so the queue has a proper diff to review and not a sync to make the SRU team more likely to review | 10:25 |
| Trevinho | seb128: thanks | 10:26 |
| seb128 | np | 10:26 |
| Trevinho | seb128: ah ok I had a src ready for that too | 10:26 |
| seb128 | k, please get it ready for sponsoring then :) | 10:27 |
| seb128 | it's on the .2 importants bugs list | 10:27 |
| Trevinho | ah I had it ready but without that fix, then let me include it | 10:27 |
| Trevinho | 5 minutes.. | 10:27 |
| seb128 | k | 10:28 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I'm going for early lunch now so take your time, I look at the bionic one once I'm back | 10:32 |
| sil2100 | Trevinho: uh oh, didn't know about this | 10:32 |
| sil2100 | Let me investigate | 10:32 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I'm done if you want | 10:32 |
| seb128 | trevinho, k, url? :) | 10:33 |
| Trevinho | seb128: https://cloud.trevi.me/index.php/s/WZ7YAspt3wWDbJN | 10:35 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, oops. I just approved your targeting for bionic for #1809129 | 11:14 |
| willcooke | I dont think I should have been so hasty | 11:14 |
| willcooke | It's a change in UX, and so I think we should talk about it some more | 11:14 |
| willcooke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1809129 | 11:14 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1809129 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu Bionic) "Window previews have inconsistent ordering" [Undecided,New] | 11:14 |
| willcooke | Do we have any previous examples of where we made such a change? FWIR, such things are generally not the done thing | 11:15 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: well, such UX changes have been done in the past in SRUs, until they don't really change text, or completely the way of acting, isn't it? | 11:15 |
| Trevinho | I mean in unity at least we were doing changes bigger than this in SRUs :) | 11:15 |
| willcooke | I think it might lead to confusion if people have learned the current way of doing it. | 11:16 |
| Trevinho | as I think it's not really changing any way of using the tool, just tuning a bit | 11:16 |
| willcooke | That said, personally, I think the new way is better | 11:16 |
| Trevinho | well, they will be confused anyway on next one | 11:16 |
| Trevinho | next LTS I mean | 11:16 |
| Trevinho | but honestly, I don't think it's something you do repeadly in a way that breaks any muscle memory | 11:17 |
| willcooke | sure, but that's a new version. I think it's fine to expect things to be done differently in a new release, espeically when it's been that way for a couple of releases | 11:17 |
| Trevinho | I'd see if it was something like alt-tab behavior change, but... | 11:17 |
| willcooke | @ muscle memory, I disagree | 11:17 |
| willcooke | I have trained myself a bit | 11:17 |
| willcooke | and it took some getting used to | 11:17 |
| willcooke | I'll speak to mpt and see if he has any views | 11:18 |
| Trevinho | ok, let me know | 11:18 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, I'll cc you on the mail | 11:18 |
| andyrock | morning all! | 11:23 |
| Laney | willcooke: also accepting nominations like that means we end up with orpaned entries on -tracking - we had a case of that last week too (not sure if that was you mind) | 11:25 |
| * Laney 💓 process | 11:25 | |
| willcooke | Laney, yeah, I didnt mean to click that | 11:25 |
| Laney | but yes, that kind of behaviour change is worth discussing more imho | 11:25 |
| Laney | think seb128 said that last time this one came up | 11:25 |
| willcooke | Laney, can I undo that? | 11:25 |
| Laney | there's a delete button but Incomplete might be ok too | 11:26 |
| willcooke | Can I just remove the Bionic target? | 11:26 |
| Laney | guess Trevinho can be assigned anyway :P | 11:26 |
| willcooke | I'd rather get back to the state where it was just nominated | 11:26 |
| willcooke | or waiting for approval or whatever it was | 11:26 |
| Laney | not sure you can re-nominate | 11:26 |
| Laney | try it? | 11:26 |
| Laney | or remove + incoming | 11:26 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: I've done that | 11:27 |
| Trevinho | removed + requested again | 11:27 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, nice one, thanks! | 11:27 |
| willcooke | sorry about that | 11:27 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, I've emailed mpt | 11:28 |
| willcooke | lets see what he says | 11:28 |
| willcooke | And even then, I think it's worth talking about a bit more with interested parties | 11:28 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, do you feel strongly that it should go in? | 11:28 |
| Trevinho | I've not that strong opinion, I've just added it since it was something I thought it was quite required | 11:29 |
| Trevinho | and didn't look like a big UX change to me not to be blocked | 11:29 |
| seb128 | willcooke, trevinho, up to the SRU, I think behaviour changes in a SRU are an issue because it confuses some users and part of our corporate users expect stability/not having to deal with confused staff on a stable product, but that one is minor so could be ok | 12:21 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, "next LTS" is a milestone where e.g corporate IT departement expect to have to do some training or such so changes are ok | 12:22 |
| Trevinho | yeah, sure, as said I would consider this such change quite minor, but... | 12:22 |
| Trevinho | not really strong opinioned on it | 12:23 |
| willcooke | seb128, I agree with you. I'll let you know what mpt thinks. And then I think we have enough input to make a decision | 12:24 |
| * willcooke -> lunch | 12:25 | |
| marcustomlinson | willcooke, kenvandine: welcome back to winter :P | 13:45 |
| willcooke | hi marcustomlinson | 13:46 |
| jbicha | seb128: hi, could you demote totem-plugin-gromit and totem-plugin-zeitgeist to disco-proposed/universe. They are new binary packages and should let us kick zeitgeist out of main once it migrates out of proposed | 13:57 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hey, sure, btw we have http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.html so no need to manually nag people about those binary demotions | 14:19 |
| seb128 | (unless it's urgent for some reason, but that doesn't seem the case here) | 14:19 |
| jbicha | ok, I guess it shows up on the update_excuses_by_team page which we do look at regularly too :) | 14:23 |
| seb128 | right | 14:29 |
| tomreyn | is there any situation where, when using do-release-upgrade for 16.04 -> 18.04, xserver-xorg was installed initially, but you end up with xwayland? it is possible that no *ubuntu-desktop package was installed. | 15:05 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, andyrock, we got some report on bionic from the keyboard layout indicator showing empty (no layout label), the warnings in those reports look like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/187 ... could be that one in 3.28/the coming SRU? | 15:06 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue (Merge request) 187 in gnome-shell "keyboard: defer position-changed till we have a rect" [Merged] | 15:06 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I think I'm affected right now https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/n2Ku4dAD/image.png | 15:06 |
| seb128 | right :) | 15:07 |
| seb128 | trevinho, do you have those warning in your journal? | 15:07 |
| seb128 | JS ERROR: Exception in callback for signal: position-changed: TypeError: this._rect is undefined | 15:07 |
| Trevinho | and... Ok, I can indeed backport it | 15:07 |
| Trevinho | let me check | 15:07 |
| Trevinho | mh, no | 15:08 |
| seb128 | :( | 15:08 |
| seb128 | well in any case that commit seems right/to make sense | 15:09 |
| Trevinho | the commit does, but don't know it will fix that specific thing yet | 15:09 |
| Trevinho | I mean I can backport it, but if then it doesn't fix that specific bug we'll not endup in getting verifications... | 15:10 |
| Trevinho | also because here it happens after some time | 15:10 |
| Trevinho | and... an alt+f2 fixes it :/ | 15:11 |
| Trevinho | alt+f2 -> r | 15:11 |
| tomreyn | seb128: i've had this in my journal until i removed one of the keyboard locales (had english + german, now only german), which causes the locale chooser to no longer show on the panel. while i had both locales available, the chooser did show up correctly on the panel, though. I.e. i don't think this error is indicative of the current locale not showing oin the panel. | 15:11 |
| seb128 | tomreyn, ok, thanks | 15:12 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, right, well we can make the SRU verification to be what is the bug description upstream, "using doubleclick on titlebar of any window to maximize/minimize, check if there is a warning in the log" | 15:13 |
| seb128 | if that's enough to trigger the warning | 15:13 |
| seb128 | I need to reinstall bionic, I upgraded my main partition to disco and my test laptop is on cosmic | 15:13 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey, is it useful to debug/report upstream glib 2.59 issues at this point or is there known problems with that version which it's better to wait to get fixed before wasting time investigating things that a known/being handled upstream already? | 15:15 |
| Laney | seb128: there's a few fixes upstream already, like some vala thing that ricot_z mentioned | 15:16 |
| Laney | if you want to try with a master build (e.g. jhbuild), do so, otherwise I'd wait until .1 | 15:17 |
| seb128 | Laney, I guess I'm going to wait for .1 if that's not in too long | 15:19 |
| seb128 | Laney, reported https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/issues/1659 anyway, they can close if it it's fixed | 15:35 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue 1659 in glib "[2.59] gnome-keyring pkcs11/secret-store/test-secret-item.c test fails since update" [Opened] | 15:35 |
| Laney | k | 15:36 |
| seb128 | deja-dup also fails to build | 15:37 |
| seb128 | but that's vala so maybe it's the ricot_z issue | 15:37 |
| ricotz | seb128, Laney, the vala issue with glib 2.59.0 is a runtime problem concerning an GTask ABI change | 15:41 |
| seb128 | ricotz, well, the deja-dup tests timeout for some reason | 15:44 |
| seb128 | could be it | 15:44 |
| Laney | might want to delete this version from proposed | 15:45 |
| Laney | seems like it sucks a bit | 15:45 |
| ricotz | seb128, ah, ok, I thought it literally fails to build | 15:45 |
| ricotz | I/it | 15:45 |
| seb128 | the package build fails on failing tests | 15:45 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, I was syncing the same, I've at least 2 packages failing to build due to it and there is a stack of unhappy autopkgtests | 15:45 |
| seb128 | might be good to investigate/upstream some of the issues first though | 15:46 |
| Laney | probably be more productive to do that with a more recent version | 15:47 |
| andyrock | seb128: Trevinho: I reproduce the bug too | 15:48 |
| andyrock | I've the following in the journal | 15:48 |
| seb128 | Laney, k, should I delete it then and we try again once we get .1? | 15:48 |
| andyrock | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8UlAgY0c/ | 15:48 |
| andyrock | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WzS5d3hm/ | 15:48 |
| seb128 | andyrock, that warning seems like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/414 | 15:49 |
| Laney | seb128: if you think that's a sensible thing to do | 15:49 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue 414 in gnome-shell "keyboard: _currentWindow can be null in FocusTracker" [Closed] | 15:49 |
| Laney | I mean might be worth trying those builds in a ppa without proposed | 15:49 |
| Laney | ... if they are failing for some other reason ... | 15:49 |
| seb128 | well, I tried locally after downgrading glib and they work | 15:49 |
| seb128 | and upgrading they fail | 15:49 |
| Laney | k, well if you're happy | 15:50 |
| seb128 | yeah, let's do that | 15:51 |
| seb128 | thx Laney | 15:51 |
| Laney | I'll try gnome-keyring in jhbuild, that one should be easy enough | 15:52 |
| seb128 | thx | 15:52 |
| Laney | had my time today consumed with autopkgtest falling over in like 4 different ways | 15:53 |
| seb128 | :( | 15:58 |
| Laney | AHHH YEAHHHH git bisect run | 16:08 |
| seb128 | :) | 16:10 |
| Laney | git bisect run --help is an awful thing | 16:26 |
| Laney | it executes "--help" | 16:26 |
| Laney | which probably ruins your in progress bisect :< | 16:26 |
| seb128 | :( | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | marcustomlinson: no kidding. I'm in the mountains snowboarding now after leaving summer on Friday 😀 | 17:46 |
| marcustomlinson | :) | 17:47 |
| willcooke | hey kenvandine | 18:03 |
| kenvandine | Hey willcooke | 18:04 |
| kenvandine | It's -21 with the wind chill here! | 18:05 |
| kenvandine | -21F that is | 18:05 |
| kenvandine | -9F actual | 18:05 |
| kenvandine | What a shock for my body 😀 | 18:05 |
| willcooke | kenvandine, yowzer! | 18:29 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: mh mpt no answered yet, if you want we can prepare an upload without it, and in case we add | 18:40 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, yes please - don't upload to Bionic. I don't think it's the right thing to do. If anyone wants to argue strongly to do it, then we can discuss, but right now I think we have to leave B as it is. | 18:41 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: No, I meant, let's upload without not to waste time :) | 18:57 |
| willcooke | I'm not sure I follow you, "upload without" i.e. upload with out the Bionic part? | 18:58 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, ^ | 18:58 |
| willcooke | you're saying you're going to upload only to Disco? | 18:58 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: yes :) | 18:58 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, got ya! Sounds good, thanks! | 18:58 |
| Trevinho | :) | 18:58 |
| Trevinho | seb128: can you please pull https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+git/gnome-settings-daemon/+ref/ubuntu/bionic (with tags) in ubuntu-desktoP? | 19:12 |
| Trevinho | (it's just syncing with what the distro has) | 19:12 |
| willcooke | night all | 19:47 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, k, I tried, let me know if I start getting along with git better :) | 19:48 |
| Trevinho | seb128: if you can upload, here I've pushed also the dock without that change | 20:13 |
| Trevinho | https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3597/+packages | 20:13 |
| seb128 | trevinho, I uploaded the one from this morning, is there an issue with it? | 20:15 |
| Trevinho | seb128: bionic? | 20:18 |
| Trevinho | the bionic one had that fix changing ux.. | 20:18 |
| Trevinho | so might need to change version then, but I'm about to leave now 😢 | 20:19 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, right, well we said it's minor so I upload and let's see what the SRU team think, if they don't like it we reupload without | 21:03 |
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