[07:24] <didrocks> good morning
[07:25] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:30] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:40] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:42] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[08:42] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu, had a good week-end?
[08:43] <duflu> oSoMoN, it was a blur. My birthweek celebrations concluded :)
[08:43] <duflu> You oSoMoN/
[08:43] <duflu> ?
[08:44] <oSoMoN> yeah, I relaxed, saw friends and played LEGO with my daughter, all good :)
[08:45] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:45] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:46] <oSoMoN> ça va?
[08:47] <didrocks> ça va, week-end difficile pour les oreilles, mais ça passe un peu mieux là
[08:47] <didrocks> et toi ?
[08:47] <didrocks> apparement, partie de LEGO ;)
[08:48] <oSoMoN> oui, on a construit https://www.lego.com/en-us/mindstorms/build-a-robot/track3r :)
[08:49] <oSoMoN> pas encore attaqué la partie programmation, mais on s’est déjà bien amusés à l’assemblage et avec la télécommande infrarouge
[08:49] <didrocks> héhé ;)
[08:50] <didrocks> ça semble sympa
[08:59] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:59] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:59] <seb128> lut oSoMoN! en forme? bon w.e?
[09:00] <oSoMoN> oui, super week-end bien reposant, et toi?
[09:01] <seb128> j'me suis bloqué le dos jeudi et c'était un peu pénible mais sinon w.e tranquille
[09:02] <Laney> moin
[09:02] <didrocks> hey seb128, Laney
[09:03] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[09:03] <Laney> hey didrocks oSoMoN
[09:03] <Laney> you well?
[09:03] <oSoMoN> seb128, aïe, ça s’est débloqué depuis?
[09:04] <Laney> omg pgp encrypted irc
[09:04] <oSoMoN> all good on this side of the Pyrenees
[09:05] <Laney> some winter weather finally arrived here
[09:06] <willcooke> morning all
[09:06]  * Laney nods willcooke 
[09:06] <Laney> ok journey home?
[09:07] <willcooke> yeah fine
[09:07] <willcooke> got an exit row seat
[09:07] <Laney> small victories
[09:07] <willcooke> people up the back had rows to them selves
[09:07] <jamesh> we finally got the eastern states' heat wave over the weekend
[09:07] <jamesh> 40 max, 20 min
[09:07] <Laney> don't you think crossing the equator is lame?
[09:07] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:07] <Laney> i was expecting something cool to happen
[09:07] <Laney> like fireworks
[09:07]  * Laney spritzes jamesh 
[09:08] <Laney> was reading about that heatwave, sounds pretty brutal
[09:09] <jamesh> It's been pretty mild up to now in Perth
[09:09] <seb128> hey Laney didrocks willcooke
[09:09] <seb128> oSoMoN, oui, ça va mieux depuis hier
[09:11] <Nafallo> morning
[09:12] <duflu> Morning Laney. Yeah as James alludes it is actually cooler than usual here. Just not for most of the continent
[09:12] <duflu> Well, has been many days
[09:13] <oSoMoN> morning willcooke, Nafallo
[09:13] <jamesh> http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW6111.latest.shtml <- we've mostly been looking at low 30s or high 20s
[09:13] <duflu> The heatwave when from NW to SE, but we are SW
[09:14] <duflu> Morning Nafallo
[09:24] <duflu> Bah, anything I say will be subjective and out of date. This is happier news though jamesh, https://www.watercorporation.com.au/water-supply/rainfall-and-dams/dam-levels
[09:25] <Trevinho> morning!
[09:26] <duflu> Hi Trevinho
[09:45] <Laney> hey Trevinho, how's it going?
[09:56] <Trevinho> ah hey duflu and Laney...
[09:57] <Trevinho> all good, you?
[10:03] <Laney> pretty sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[10:17] <Trevinho> don't know if already asked, but anyone could publish this when has a second https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3596 (maybe would be better to do the direct upload as SRU people doesn't like ppa syncs)
[10:20] <seb128> Trevinho, do you know why the billeto diffs are empty recently (it is at least in this one and one other of the recent landing I landed for you)
[10:21] <Trevinho> nope, I've noticed that too though
[10:21] <Trevinho> sil2100: do you know that ^
[10:21] <Trevinho> ?
[10:21] <Trevinho> hi seb128 btw :)
[10:21] <seb128> hey trevinho :)
[10:21] <seb128> I can upload that SRU btw
[10:21] <seb128> we need it for bionic as well btw (unsure if that was already handled)
[10:22] <Trevinho> seb128: as far I know bionic wasn't affected.
[10:23] <seb128> trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1769383 was reported on bionic though and that's were most comments are coming from?
[10:24] <seb128> e.G https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1812407
[10:25] <seb128> Trevinho, SRU uploaded "old school diff" way so the queue has a proper diff to review and not a sync to make the SRU team more likely to review
[10:26] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks
[10:26] <seb128> np
[10:26] <Trevinho> seb128: ah ok I had a src ready for that too
[10:27] <seb128> k, please get it ready for sponsoring then :)
[10:27] <seb128> it's on the .2 importants bugs list
[10:27] <Trevinho> ah I had it ready but without that fix, then let me include it
[10:27] <Trevinho> 5 minutes..
[10:28] <seb128> k
[10:32] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm going for early lunch now so take your time, I look at the bionic one once I'm back
[10:32] <sil2100> Trevinho: uh oh, didn't know about this
[10:32] <sil2100> Let me investigate
[10:32] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm done if you want
[10:33] <seb128> trevinho, k, url? :)
[10:35] <Trevinho> seb128: https://cloud.trevi.me/index.php/s/WZ7YAspt3wWDbJN
[11:14] <willcooke> Trevinho, oops.  I just approved your targeting for bionic for #1809129
[11:14] <willcooke> I dont think I should have been so hasty
[11:14] <willcooke> It's a change in UX, and so I think we should talk about it some more
[11:14] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1809129
[11:15] <willcooke> Do we have any previous examples of where we made such a change?  FWIR, such things are generally not the done thing
[11:15] <Trevinho> willcooke: well, such UX changes have been done in the past in SRUs, until they don't really change text, or completely the way of acting, isn't it?
[11:15] <Trevinho> I mean in unity at least we were doing changes bigger than this in SRUs :)
[11:16] <willcooke> I think it might lead to confusion if people have learned the current way of doing it.
[11:16] <Trevinho> as I think it's not really changing any way of using the tool, just tuning a bit
[11:16] <willcooke> That said, personally, I think the new way is better
[11:16] <Trevinho> well, they will be confused anyway on next one
[11:16] <Trevinho> next LTS I mean
[11:17] <Trevinho> but honestly, I don't think it's something you do repeadly in a way that breaks any muscle memory
[11:17] <willcooke> sure, but that's a new version.  I think it's fine to expect things to be done differently in a new release, espeically when it's been that way for a couple of releases
[11:17] <Trevinho> I'd see if it was something like alt-tab behavior change, but...
[11:17] <willcooke> @ muscle memory, I disagree
[11:17] <willcooke> I have trained myself a bit
[11:17] <willcooke> and it took some getting used to
[11:18] <willcooke> I'll speak to mpt and see if he has any views
[11:18] <Trevinho> ok, let me know
[11:18] <willcooke> Trevinho, I'll cc you on the mail
[11:23] <andyrock> morning all!
[11:25] <Laney> willcooke: also accepting nominations like that means we end up with orpaned entries on -tracking - we had a case of that last week too (not sure if that was you mind)
[11:25]  * Laney 💓 process
[11:25] <willcooke> Laney, yeah, I didnt mean to click that
[11:25] <Laney> but yes, that kind of behaviour change is worth discussing more imho
[11:25] <Laney> think seb128 said that last time this one came up
[11:25] <willcooke> Laney, can I undo that?
[11:26] <Laney> there's a delete button but Incomplete might be ok too
[11:26] <willcooke> Can I just remove the Bionic target?
[11:26] <Laney> guess Trevinho can be assigned anyway :P
[11:26] <willcooke> I'd rather get back to the state where it was just nominated
[11:26] <willcooke> or waiting for approval or whatever it was
[11:26] <Laney> not sure you can re-nominate
[11:26] <Laney> try it?
[11:26] <Laney> or remove + incoming
[11:27] <Trevinho> willcooke: I've done that
[11:27] <Trevinho> removed + requested again
[11:27] <willcooke> Trevinho, nice one, thanks!
[11:27] <willcooke> sorry about that
[11:28] <willcooke> Trevinho, I've emailed mpt
[11:28] <willcooke> lets see what he says
[11:28] <willcooke> And even then, I think it's worth talking about a bit more with interested parties
[11:28] <willcooke> Trevinho, do you feel strongly that it should go in?
[11:29] <Trevinho> I've not that strong opinion, I've just added it since it was something I thought it was quite required
[11:29] <Trevinho> and didn't look like a big UX change to me not to be blocked
[12:21] <seb128> willcooke, trevinho, up to the SRU, I think behaviour changes in a SRU are an issue because it confuses some users and part of our corporate users expect stability/not having to deal with confused staff on a stable product, but that one is minor so could be ok
[12:22] <seb128> Trevinho, "next LTS" is a milestone where e.g corporate IT departement expect to have to do some training or such so changes are ok
[12:22] <Trevinho> yeah, sure, as said I would consider this such change quite minor, but...
[12:23] <Trevinho> not really strong opinioned on it
[12:24] <willcooke> seb128, I agree with you.  I'll let you know what mpt thinks.  And then I think we have enough input to make a decision
[12:25]  * willcooke -> lunch
[13:45] <marcustomlinson> willcooke, kenvandine: welcome back to winter :P
[13:46] <willcooke> hi marcustomlinson
[13:57] <jbicha> seb128: hi, could you demote totem-plugin-gromit and totem-plugin-zeitgeist to disco-proposed/universe. They are new binary packages and should let us kick zeitgeist out of main once it migrates out of proposed
[14:19] <seb128> jbicha, hey, sure, btw we have http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.html so no need to manually nag people about those binary demotions
[14:19] <seb128> (unless it's urgent for some reason, but that doesn't seem the case here)
[14:23] <jbicha> ok, I guess it shows up on the update_excuses_by_team page which we do look at regularly too :)
[14:29] <seb128> right
[15:05] <tomreyn> is there any situation where, when using do-release-upgrade for 16.04 -> 18.04, xserver-xorg was installed initially, but you end up with xwayland? it is possible that no *ubuntu-desktop package was installed.
[15:06] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, we got some report on bionic from the keyboard layout indicator showing empty (no layout label), the warnings in those reports look like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/187 ... could be that one in 3.28/the coming SRU?
[15:06] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 187 in gnome-shell "keyboard: defer position-changed till we have a rect" [Merged]
[15:06] <Trevinho> seb128: I think I'm affected right now https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/n2Ku4dAD/image.png
[15:07] <seb128> right :)
[15:07] <seb128> trevinho, do you have those warning in your journal?
[15:07] <seb128> JS ERROR: Exception in callback for signal: position-changed: TypeError: this._rect is undefined
[15:07] <Trevinho> and... Ok, I can indeed backport it
[15:07] <Trevinho> let me check
[15:08] <Trevinho> mh, no
[15:08] <seb128> :(
[15:09] <seb128> well in any case that commit seems right/to make sense
[15:09] <Trevinho> the commit does, but don't know it will fix that specific thing yet
[15:10] <Trevinho> I mean I can backport it, but if then it doesn't fix that specific bug we'll not endup in getting verifications...
[15:10] <Trevinho> also because here it happens after some time
[15:11] <Trevinho> and... an alt+f2 fixes it :/
[15:11] <Trevinho> alt+f2 -> r
[15:11] <tomreyn> seb128: i've had this in my journal until i removed one of the keyboard locales (had english + german, now only german), which causes the locale chooser to no longer show on the panel. while i had both locales available, the chooser did show up correctly on the panel, though. I.e. i don't think this error is indicative of the current locale not showing oin the panel.
[15:12] <seb128> tomreyn, ok, thanks
[15:13] <seb128> Trevinho, right, well we can make the SRU verification to be what is the bug description upstream, "using doubleclick on titlebar of any window to maximize/minimize, check if there is a warning in the log"
[15:13] <seb128> if that's enough to trigger the warning
[15:13] <seb128> I need to reinstall bionic, I upgraded my main partition to disco and my test laptop is on cosmic
[15:15] <seb128> Laney, hey, is it useful to debug/report upstream glib 2.59 issues at this point or is there known problems with that version which it's better to wait to get fixed before wasting time investigating things that a known/being handled upstream already?
[15:16] <Laney> seb128: there's a few fixes upstream already, like some vala thing that ricot_z mentioned
[15:17] <Laney> if you want to try with a master build (e.g. jhbuild), do so, otherwise I'd wait until .1
[15:19] <seb128> Laney, I guess I'm going to wait for .1 if that's not in too long
[15:35] <seb128> Laney, reported https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/issues/1659 anyway, they can close if it it's fixed
[15:35] <gitbot> GNOME issue 1659 in glib "[2.59] gnome-keyring pkcs11/secret-store/test-secret-item.c test fails since update" [Opened]
[15:36] <Laney> k
[15:37] <seb128> deja-dup also fails to build
[15:37] <seb128> but that's vala so maybe it's the ricot_z issue
[15:41] <ricotz> seb128, Laney, the vala issue with glib 2.59.0 is a runtime problem concerning an GTask ABI change
[15:44] <seb128> ricotz, well, the deja-dup tests timeout for some reason
[15:44] <seb128> could be it
[15:45] <Laney> might want to delete this version from proposed
[15:45] <Laney> seems like it sucks a bit
[15:45] <ricotz> seb128, ah, ok, I thought it literally fails to build
[15:45] <ricotz> I/it
[15:45] <seb128> the package build fails on failing tests
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I was syncing the same, I've at least 2 packages failing to build due to it and there is a stack of unhappy autopkgtests
[15:46] <seb128> might be good to investigate/upstream some of the issues first though
[15:47] <Laney> probably be more productive to do that with a more recent version
[15:48] <andyrock> seb128: Trevinho: I reproduce the bug too
[15:48] <andyrock> I've the following in the journal
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, k, should I delete it then and we try again once we get .1?
[15:48] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8UlAgY0c/
[15:48] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WzS5d3hm/
[15:49] <seb128> andyrock, that warning seems like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/414
[15:49] <Laney> seb128: if you think that's a sensible thing to do
[15:49] <gitbot> GNOME issue 414 in gnome-shell "keyboard: _currentWindow can be null in FocusTracker" [Closed]
[15:49] <Laney> I mean might be worth trying those builds in a ppa without proposed
[15:49] <Laney> ... if they are failing for some other reason ...
[15:49] <seb128> well, I tried locally after downgrading glib and they work
[15:49] <seb128> and upgrading they fail
[15:50] <Laney> k, well if you're happy
[15:51] <seb128> yeah, let's do that
[15:51] <seb128> thx Laney
[15:52] <Laney> I'll try gnome-keyring in jhbuild, that one should be easy enough
[15:52] <seb128> thx
[15:53] <Laney> had my time today consumed with autopkgtest falling over in like 4 different ways
[15:58] <seb128> :(
[16:08] <Laney> AHHH YEAHHHH git bisect run
[16:10] <seb128> :)
[16:26] <Laney> git bisect run --help is an awful thing
[16:26] <Laney> it executes "--help"
[16:26] <Laney> which probably ruins your in progress bisect :<
[16:28] <seb128> :(
[17:46] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: no kidding.  I'm in the mountains snowboarding now after leaving summer on Friday 😀
[17:47] <marcustomlinson> :)
[18:03] <willcooke> hey kenvandine
[18:04] <kenvandine> Hey willcooke
[18:05] <kenvandine> It's -21 with the wind chill here!
[18:05] <kenvandine> -21F that is
[18:05] <kenvandine> -9F actual
[18:05] <kenvandine> What a shock for my body 😀
[18:29] <willcooke> kenvandine, yowzer!
[18:40] <Trevinho> willcooke: mh mpt no answered yet, if you want we can prepare an upload without it, and in case we add
[18:41] <willcooke> Trevinho, yes please - don't upload to Bionic.  I don't think it's the right thing to do.  If anyone wants to argue strongly to do it, then we can discuss, but right now I think we have to leave B as it is.
[18:57] <Trevinho> willcooke: No, I meant, let's upload without not to waste time :)
[18:58] <willcooke> I'm not sure I follow you, "upload without" i.e. upload with out the Bionic part?
[18:58] <willcooke> Trevinho, ^
[18:58] <willcooke> you're saying you're going to upload only to Disco?
[18:58] <Trevinho> willcooke: yes :)
[18:58] <willcooke> Trevinho, got ya!  Sounds good, thanks!
[18:58] <Trevinho> :)
[19:12] <Trevinho> seb128: can you please pull https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+git/gnome-settings-daemon/+ref/ubuntu/bionic (with tags) in ubuntu-desktoP?
[19:12] <Trevinho> (it's just syncing with what the distro has)
[19:47] <willcooke> night all
[19:48] <seb128> Trevinho, k, I tried, let me know if I start getting along with git better :)
[20:13] <Trevinho> seb128: if you can upload, here I've pushed also the dock without that change
[20:13] <Trevinho> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3597/+packages
[20:15] <seb128> trevinho, I uploaded the one from this morning, is there an issue with it?
[20:18] <Trevinho> seb128: bionic?
[20:18] <Trevinho> the bionic one had that fix changing ux..
[20:19] <Trevinho> so might need to change version then, but I'm about to leave now 😢
[21:03] <seb128> Trevinho, right, well we said it's minor so I upload and let's see what the SRU team think, if they don't like it we reupload without