[01:00] <n-iCe> Hi guys
[01:01] <n-iCe> Is there a huge difference in performance between ubuntu stock and xubuntu?
[01:04] <taza> Hey my 18.04 install has the brightness buttons pop up an UI component, but not actually change brightness
[01:08] <taza> It's an ul30vt with both intel and nvidia graphics, which might do it
[01:20] <taza> Hokay and now I get no X.
[01:21] <taza> I can still magic into console but no X at all. How do I revert drivers from command line?
[01:22] <taza> Duh, purge the package.
[01:23] <Kumool> what are you trying to do? get wayland to work?
[01:24] <Kumool> ah
[01:24] <taza> I installed fresh xubuntu, noticed my brightness control did nothing, installed proprietary nvidia drivers, and got a delightful black screen and X not starting
[01:24] <Kumool> haha
[01:24] <Kumool> welcome to linux
[01:24] <taza> Known problem?
[01:25] <Kumool> well, dont use proprietary drivers
[01:25] <taza> ... I knew how to magic my way to terminal, give me some credit here
[01:25] <taza> I'm not giving Nouveau any credit it hasn't deserved; by which I mean any credit at all
[01:26] <Kumool> !give credits+1 to taza
[01:26] <taza> Funny thing is the same closed driver works fine under mainline Ubuntu.
[01:27] <Kumool> its beyond me, if this was bsd i could just zap into console, install xinit and try to launch and mess with Xorg config, but in linux everything is different
[01:27] <Kumool> gonna have to hang around for a proper answer
[01:27] <Kumool> or go to #ubuntu
[01:27] <taza> If this was BSD I wouldn't try to install X
[01:27] <Kumool> hey, BSD is fantastic
[01:27] <taza> Given it works under Ubuntu and doesn't under Xubuntu, odds are short I'll see help
[01:28] <Kumool> ah
[01:28] <Kumool> maybe a dev will see your problem
[01:28] <taza> The brightness thing works under neither which is why I went "man I hate gnome and troubleshooting anything under it"
[01:28]  * Kumool goes back to his hole
[01:29] <Kumool> are you running redshift?
[01:29] <Kumool> or w\e its called
[01:29] <taza> Fresh Xubuntu install, nothin' but drivers installed thus far
[01:30] <taza> Also yeah I wouldn't install X under BSD
[01:30] <Kumool> y not tho?
[01:30] <taza> Use cases where I want desktop and not apt are 0
[01:31] <Kumool> not apt?
[01:31] <Kumool> you mean the package manager?
[01:31] <taza> yerpo
[01:31] <taza> And preferably the Ubuntu or at least Debian packages.
[01:32] <Kumool> dude, theres better package managers out there than apt
[01:32] <taza> Ubuntu's come a long way from the times the package manager insisted OpenOffice.org was a part of the kernel
[01:32] <taza> I remember those times like they were yesterday
[01:32] <taza> Incidentally what day is it
[01:32] <Kumool> and freebsd has pkg, which works fine
[01:33] <Kumool> pkg install Xorg
[01:33] <Kumool> and there ya go
[01:33] <taza> Yeah but why would I?
[01:33] <Kumool> I'm not saying you should, just saying, you should try to config Xorg via console and see
[01:34] <taza> Yeah but why would I sully a functional, stable BSD install with X?
[01:35] <Kumool> because consoles are terrible
[01:35] <taza> Are you talking about BSD in #xubuntu because you got hounded out of BSD communities for the heresy?
[01:36] <Kumool> its been 40 years and people still use terminals like if they were amazing, they're not
[01:37] <taza> Plus it's a BSD setup, if I ever see output other than a terminal I probably am getting it through a 1202 or audio pipe and neither need X.
[01:38] <Kumool> have no clue what those are
[01:38] <taza> Then maybe your distaste for terminals is not having seen enough bad GUI implementations?
[01:38] <Kumool> I've seen bad GUI implementations
[01:38] <Kumool> I've also seen good GUI implementations
[01:38] <taza> Yeah but you're clearly not an expert.
[01:39] <Kumool> I've also seen bash
[01:39] <Kumool> exactly
[01:39] <Kumool> I'm not
[01:39] <Kumool> nobody is
[01:40] <taza> I mean, I dunno, I've been here since we didn't have GUIs for a lot of this.
[01:40] <taza> I'm mostly asking 'cause someone might already know what's wrong since, well, whatever this Nvidia setup ain't exactly rare.
[01:41] <taza> Optimus, that's it
[01:42] <Kumool> well, you did get X to work no? it was just the brightness that was off?
[01:42] <taza> Currently testing
[02:06] <taza> /sys/class/backlight has an asus entry that does nothing, and an intel entry that does.
[02:26] <n-iCe> Is there a tool to manage monitors/displays?
[02:48] <Kumool> Settings > Display
[03:04] <taza> BTW Kumool it took this long to fix things but I did
[03:04] <taza> Linux yay?
[03:04] <Kumool> yay
[03:04] <Kumool> its a low battery yay
[03:05] <taza> Bluetooth still isn't working right but I think it might be a version mismatch
[13:09] <xubuntu03w> Hi there! I'm trying to set up a dual screen setup on my laptop with a monitor, so I can extend the desktop.
[13:09] <xubuntu03w> It detects the monitor, however it only renders a wallpaper.
[13:09] <xubuntu03w> Any suggestions to what the problem might be? Would be much appreciated.
[13:25] <xubuntu03w> Nevermind, turns out the resolution difference between both screens was hiding the task bar.
[13:25] <xubuntu03w> Thanks anyways!
[16:47] <xubuntu36w> Hello. What is the best GUI for software installation and de-installation? I used to use the Software Center, but that has disappeared in the new version.
[16:48] <diogenes_> synaptic
[16:51] <xubuntu36w> Thanks.  I installed it, and have de-installed a program with it. Are there others?
[16:53] <xubuntu36w> I thought the Software Center was simpler to use, meaning: you knew right away what you were installing. In Synaptic, you get a bunch of files and you must be sure to pick the right one.
[16:55] <diogenes_> try gnome-software
[16:59] <xubuntu36w> I will try that one, also. Thanks, Diogenes!
[23:56] <Guest91169> !14/04
[23:56] <Guest91169> !14.04
[23:56] <Guest91169> !xubuntu
[23:57] <Guest91169> !xfce