[00:02] <sorin-mihai> which of the mailx providers would be 'better' for local mail delivery?
[00:03] <genii> sorin-mihai: Since apt (on this system, 16.04) is 14376 bytes and apt-get is 43128 bytes, I'd suspect that it does call apt-get ( and apt-cache for other commands)
[00:20] <IniGit> ok, just setting the correct boot order solved the problem. I was confused by the MSI BIOS. On the one hand there is an option under Settings\Boot that is called 'Fixed Boot Order Priorities' and then there is another settings that is called 'UEFI Hard Disk Drive BBS Priorities'. When I change something in UEFI Hard Disk Drive BBS Priorities it actually does something and the Fixed Boot Order Priorities
[00:20] <IniGit> settings does nothing it seems
[00:20] <IniGit> confusing BIOS by MSI
[00:29] <foo> tomreyn / blackflow - btw, thank you for answering my question earlier. I do have /var/log/auth.log, that'll do the trick. Thanks
[00:37] <opensource_2k> Good morning to all.
[00:56] <Erdem11> hi channel
[01:14] <leonardus> I'm trying to use ncdu but I want to exclude /media. I tried running `sudo ncdu -X /media/*` but it still included /media. Anyone know how to do what I want to do?
[01:25] <leftyfb> leonardus: sudo ncdu / -X /media
[01:49] <Vall> Folks, using GNOME3 on Ubuntu 18.04 here, my graphical session no longer starts... :-/ Here's what I find on /var/log/messages:
[01:49] <Vall> Jan 24 22:01:01 jade gnome-shell[4687]: Script <main> terminated with an uncatchable exception
[01:49] <Vall> Looking around that message, I don't see anything that wasn't being also logged before (when the graphical session was working).
[01:49] <Vall> I suspect some file got corrupted as I had to reset the machine previously to that problem.
[01:49] <Vall> But how do I debug this?
[02:20] <metracom> Can you help me please.  My dragon boating team wants to win a contest.  We need as many people as possible to click the "Like" button on a youtube video.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSLuGWetVPQ&t=88s
[02:23] <genii> metracom: This channel is for support of the Ubuntu operating system, please try to stay on topic.
[02:27] <metracom> Can you help me please.  My dragon boating team wants to win a contest.  We need as many people as possible to click the "Like" button on a youtube video.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSLuGWetVPQ&t=88s
[02:27]  * strive sighs.
[02:27] <OerHeks> metracom, spamming is not oke on #freenode, and the channel topic
[02:28] <metracom> Yes, this not spam.
[02:28] <genii> Yes it is.
[02:28] <genii> metracom: If you persist, I will remove you.
[02:40] <Vall> Folks, using GNOME3 on Ubuntu 18.04 here, my graphical session no longer starts... :-/ Here's what I find on /var/log/messages:
[02:40] <Vall> Jan 24 22:01:01 jade gnome-shell[4687]: Script <main> terminated with an uncatchable exception
[02:40] <Vall> Looking around that message, I don't see anything that wasn't being also logged before (when the graphical session was working).
[02:40] <Vall> I suspect some file got corrupted as I had to reset the machine previously to that problem.
[02:40] <Vall> But how do I debug this?
[02:42] <OerHeks> perform a filecheck on your system, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[02:43] <OerHeks> sudo  touch /forcefsck # and reboot
[02:56] <tanja84dk> Sorry if its the wrong place to ask I have 3 packages that apt wont upgrade and would like how to fix it. Errors are pasted here in this pastebin https://pastebin.com/NyhJRf1K
[02:56] <Vall> OerHeks: will try, but I do not have a corrupted filesystem, just a corrupted (ie, truncated, or messed upo) file
[03:16] <janat08> how do i copy root from live drive
[03:17] <janat08> i get black screen when starting from that install
[03:23] <CoolerZ> what is the proper way to install virtualbox on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[03:23] <janat08> with a wiki
[03:23] <CoolerZ> i installed it normally using the software manager but its saying kernel modules are not loaded and i need to run script or something to install it
[03:24] <janat08> yes, find a wiki
[03:24] <CoolerZ>  /sbin/rcvboxdrv
[03:25] <CoolerZ> but running that says it failed, and run dmesg to get more info
[03:25] <CoolerZ> and then dmesg prints a huge list of stuff
[03:26] <CoolerZ> and looking at the errors it says "failed to install key" and "failed to remove key from hardware"
[03:27] <Vall> OerHeks: just fixed it.
[03:27] <Vall> FYI, It was a broken GNOME3 extension. workspace-grid. Removing and reinstalling it fixed the issue.
[03:27] <CoolerZ> janat08, most wikis just say to do the normal method of using software manager
[03:27] <CoolerZ> or use sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[03:30] <applocalehelp> sorry my english isn't very good, but i'm trying to get japanese applications to work on ubuntu. most of them have shift_JIS locale not UTF8
[03:30] <janat08> i don't know.
[03:30] <applocalehelp> what's the simplest way for me to run an application in shift_JIS?
[03:37] <janat08> how do i copy root from live drive
[03:39] <genii> janat08: In what context? Are you trying to make a copy of your existing install on another partition or something?
[03:44] <genii> ..also if you have only that one computer, whether it needs to be running some crucial thing like a database or email server which cannot be taken out of service by power cycling it would be useful to know
[03:45] <janat08> genii: when Im looking to reinstall
[03:47] <genii> janat08: So.. when you plan to reinstall, you want to do something like save all your settings for certain things? Or make a backup of the existing install? Or something else?
[03:48] <janat08> save settings
[03:50] <genii> janat08: Almost all global settings for stuff will be in the /etc directory, for personal settings, in your home directory
[03:50] <janat08> Oh ty, but I don't think I have the permissions
[03:51] <janat08> to actually copy stuff
[03:56] <janat08> oh well nm
[03:57] <janat08> sounds like that stuff was security related
[04:14] <zzp> hi!
[04:15] <zzp> any one here?
[04:16] <zzp> my ubuntu dock crashed after screen goes black
[04:16] <zzp> it will become black, not transparent
[04:17] <zzp> have you ever met the same problem?
[04:17] <zzp> how to restart ubuntu dock?
[04:27] <Wonny> zzp does the screen go black on start up?
[04:27] <Wonny> rip he left
[05:07] <antimatroid> what are the likely nuances one will cross if using ubuntu 14.04 past the end of support in august?
[05:07] <antimatroid> I just installed 18.04 on a new laptop and can't stand what's happened to gnome-session-flashback, it's unusable
[05:30] <ryuo> antimatroid: did you consider looking at 16.04?
[05:33] <antimatroid> the screenshots on google look more similar to 18.04 than 16.04
[05:33] <antimatroid> I was thinking maybe I should see what happens if installing gnome-session-flashback in 14.04 then upgrading
[05:35] <antimatroid> the way the cursor works has changed too, did they add acceleration in to it? I hate it when the speed isn't constant
[05:35] <antimatroid> how do I make the speed constant again?
[05:35] <de-facto> i would try something actively developed
[05:35] <antimatroid> or have linux given up on making things customisable? that's a large draw for linux over osx/windows in the first place :(
[05:36] <antimatroid> actively developed and usable seem to be very hard to find these days
[05:36] <antimatroid> you are stuck with other people's preferences
[05:37] <antimatroid> and so many animations/effects etc. that use up resources and slow things down
[05:37] <antimatroid> :(
[05:37] <antimatroid> they are very impressive, I'd have a hard time making them myself, but they slow me down and frustrate me when getting work done
[05:39] <de-facto> You have more choices on lnx than any alternative plus you can customize everything with more or less effort. its just about making the right choice....
[05:40] <antimatroid> how do I customise the cursor to always move at a constant speed in 18.04?
[05:40] <antimatroid> and gnome-session-flashback has all sorts of changes that suck, and there's only like 9 people in their irc channel :(
[05:41] <antimatroid> 9 including myself
[05:42] <antimatroid> ubuntu 14.04 with gnome-session-fallback is perfect :(, now I don't know what to do come august
[05:42] <antimatroid> flashback* (keep forgetting which name they're using these days)
[05:50] <mdih> hi guys, may i know which package responsible of mounting /dev/dm-* for every partition? have this weird issue on my ubuntu 16.04 box, wherein those dm-* are missing
[05:50] <mdih> dmsetup ls also returns empty
[05:51] <mdih> seems like the volumes are okay though as i can mount and use them properly..it's just that we have an app thats using those links (dm-*) as the reference
[05:54] <Kon_> antimatroid, why not MATE?
[05:54] <Kon_> If you're looking for a more classic GNOME-style experience
[05:57] <antimatroid> Kon_: I may have to see what the more recent mate is like
[05:57] <antimatroid> I preferred gnome-session-flashback on 14.04 last time I checked
[06:02] <abusimbal> Good day every one
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> welcome abusimbal
[06:05] <abusimbal> thank you for the welcome. I can hear the groans lready I am new to IRC
[06:05] <abusimbal> Been on UNIX for 18 years.
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> abusimbal: this is the #ubuntu support channel, for ubuntu problems
[06:06] <abusimbal> understand that just moved to Ubuntu
[06:07] <abusimbal> help
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> abusimbal: to be able to help you, you need to ask a question first
[06:10] <abusimbal> thank you sorry for the ignorance just wanted to set up a connection for later
[06:13] <sparr> I need to compile a kernel for ubuntu from non-ubuntu kernel sources. I already fetched the config from /boot for my kernel, but now to actually compile I need to use fakeroot but the debian/rules directory is missing so I am not sure how to improvise from here.
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> sparr: we dont support the own kernel builds in the support channel sorry, instead use the !mainline kernels
[06:31] <sparr> lotuspsychje: I am currently using a mainline kernel and have encountered a bug in the intel graphics driver. the folks in #intel-gfx pointed me at a recent commit to the drm-tip kernel repo to find out if the bug has been fixed
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> sparr: not sure i understand, when you use mainline kernel, you dont need to compile it anymore right
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> sparr: you ahve a bug url?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> have
[06:35] <student> 123
[06:35] <sparr> no. need to do a lot more investigation before filing a bug report. but that would be a waste of time if it has already been fixed.
[06:35] <student> wassuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> sparr: i would advice to approach this systematic, aka:  you found a bug on your intel, first investigate whats happening, then check if there are existing bugs, if not, file a new !bug for your system
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> sparr: maybe if you share your whole story & details, volunteers can think along with you
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> sparr: the exact chipset, ubuntu version, kernel version affected,..
[06:56] <sparr> lotuspsychje: I've been sharing my story and details and doing troubleshooting and investigation here and in other channels for over a week now
[06:56] <Guest87131> Hi hi! I have a question. Is it possible to install kde4 DE on Kubuntu 18.04? I’ve tried the backports but no luck.
[06:56] <sparr> lotuspsychje: the next step is to try the latest driver
[07:07] <mpl0de> t
[07:13] <sholck> no people speaker
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> sholck: this channel is for ubuntu support only, no regular chat
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> !chat | sholck
[07:14] <sholck> I am sorry
[07:21] <LSUTiger> i am having trouble removing references to an older version of python ... could someone help?
[07:22] <LSUTiger> 16.04 server
[07:29] <bigMouthCommie> using ubuntu-mate, and i think lightdm. how do i enable autologin?
[07:30] <bigMouthCommie> and how do i prevent it from going to lockscreen
[07:31] <bigMouthCommie> v 18.10
[07:33] <sparr> how big should I expect git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-test/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mainline-crack v5.0-rc2 to be to check out?
[07:34] <sparr> I'm 5M objects in and still counting, not evne downloading yet
[08:13] <qwebirc74055> Anyone here have experience with IBUS on Ubuntu 18.04?
[08:19] <ducasse> qwebirc74055: it's best if you just ask your actual question
[08:21] <qwebirc74055> My question is: The Chinese input window does not show up, only in the search bar (the "activities" search bar), but not in applications. I found an entry in the forums where someone had the same problem, but he was referred to IRC.
[08:30] <threenuc> What affects the initial values inside /etc/resolv.conf after you connect to a new network? I'm using the openconnect vpn to connect to a network in the arab emirates (very slow connection) and resolv.conf has the nameserver/search params for the emiartes even if I connect to my home's wifi network
[08:56] <Guest62986> hello
[08:57] <Guest62986> somebody here?
[08:57] <Ardee> yea
[08:58] <Guest62986> from where?
[08:58] <Guest62986> @Ardee
[09:00] <Ardee> uk
[09:03] <nawab> Hello guys
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> welcome nawab how can we help you today?
[09:04] <nawab> just new to IRC exploring it a bit
[09:06] <ducasse> nawab: if you want to chat you can do so in #ubuntu-offtopic, this channel is strictly for ubuntu support issues.
[09:11] <mxxx>  /msg NickServ identify swierszczyk
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> mxxx: change password now :p
[09:12] <SwedeMike> also change it if you use it in other places.
[09:12] <geirha> I can strongly recommend Passw0rd1. It has served me well over the years
[09:12] <SwedeMike> hunter1
[09:12] <elias_a> :D
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> can anyone confirm this bug on a system with another language then english? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1813262
[09:15] <qwebirc74055> Ubuntu 18.04 IBUS question: The Chinese input window does not show up, only in the search bar (the "activities" search bar), but not in applications. I found an entry in the forums where someone had the same problem, but he was referred to IRC.
[09:18] <marz_d`ghostman> Is there any other location for postfix config aside from the main.cf? I can see from the logs that it is using a relayhost, but it is not set in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> marz_d`ghostman: perhaps a question for #postfix ?
[09:19] <marz_d`ghostman> lotuspsychje: Okay, just though I'd ask here since I'm using Ubuntu. :)
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> marz_d`ghostman: its ok, but usually we focus on ubuntu issues, or if you thinks its ubuntu related postifx idle here np
[09:21] <ducasse> might be an ubuntu question, as other distros can do config differently - try #ubuntu-server
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[09:21] <marz_d`ghostman> lotuspsychje: ducasse thanks guys, will try doing that
[09:31] <zipper> Trying to install biolinux that is based on ubuntu 14.04. Problem is when I try boot the flash drive I get an error: `(initramfs) mount: mounting dev/loop0 on //filesystem.squashfs failed: Input/Output error Can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs) on //filesystem.squashfs`
[09:31] <zipper> I've checked the checksum and it seems okay to me.
[09:33] <EriC^> zipper: might be a bad usb, try a different one
[09:37] <zipper> EriC^: It's not a bad USB afaik I've used it before. I think the issue is to do with UEFI
[09:38] <EriC^> zipper: hmm, input/output error suggests bad usb/hardware
[09:38] <EriC^> zipper: you could try booting in legacy mode to remove the uefi effect
[09:39] <zipper> I get the same error when I try boot it in legacy or UEFI :(
[09:39] <EriC^> i'd say try a different usb
[09:39] <EriC^> or a different port too
[09:43] <ducasse> zipper: biolinux is not supported here, try their own support forums
[09:44] <zipper> ducasse: Well it's based on ubuntu 14 is why I asked
[09:44] <esro> what-year-is-this.jpg
[09:45] <ducasse> zipper: not really relevant, we've no idea what they've altered
[09:45] <ducasse> !derivatives | zipper
[09:47] <zipper> I'll try boot plain old ubuntu then
[09:47] <legreffier> zipper: probably a better idea.
[09:48] <zipper> I wish it was my computer. Problem is that it's not mine.
[10:17] <Janat08> Can I just copy and paste old install on different fs?
[10:19] <Janat08> With lvm
[10:29] <EriC^^> Janat08: you need to edit fstab and install lvm2 i guess
[10:29] <EriC^^> Janat08: and reinstall grub/update grub as well
[10:30] <neure> hi
[10:30] <neure> is there gui for showing hardware details?
[10:34] <neure> found hardinfo
[10:34] <neure> looks good - except, it doesnt show any USB devices (mouse, keyboard..)
[10:37] <Guest6> hi
[10:40] <Guest6> wanted some help about installing deluge client on ubuntu server
[10:43] <no_gravity> Hello! When I move a window to the top of the screen, it maximises. Is it possible to disable that?
[10:48] <janat08> I'm reinstalling ubuntu cuz of btrfs issues. Can I just copy and paste files from root after running installer, and how do I get permissions and mount the partitions.
[10:48] <no_gravity> 'files from root'?
[10:49] <janat08> yes from old install
[10:49] <no_gravity> janat08: What's the exact command you would use to 'copy and past files from root'?
[10:50] <janat08> drag and drop
[10:50] <janat08> :P
[10:51] <no_gravity> janat08: I see. It's hard to reason about actions in a GUI interface.
[10:51] <ducasse> janat08: you need to copy with same ownership and permissions, so i don't think you can use the gui
[10:51] <no_gravity> janat08: It would be easier to talk about command line commands.
[10:52] <janat08> you asked and that's what I would've tried
[10:52] <Squall5668> janat08: do not use drag and drop. You should use something like rsync -aP --
[10:52] <EriC^^> janat08: use rsync to copy the files
[10:53] <Squall5668> janat08: sorry, enter'd. 'rsync -aP --numeric-ids'. Be very careful
[10:56] <janat08> Should I bother with the installer, maybe i should just reinstall grub after copying stuff over?
[10:57] <no_gravity> janat08: I usually do a fresh install from scratch and do not bother with any old files.
[10:58] <janat08> I'd rather not reinstall stuff all over agian
[10:59] <no_gravity> I see. Well, most people these days just need a browser and that comes with the default install already.
[10:59] <TJ-> janat08: You said you are reinstalling, does that mean you've installed a base system and want to add to that additional packages, and their configurations, from the BTRFS installation?
[11:00] <janat08> yes
[11:01] <TJ-> janat08: In which case there's a more intelligent way to go about. We have tools that can identify the list of 'top-level' packages required to be installed. That is done by first mounting the 'old' install as a chroot and running a command like debfoster or apt-mark (I'd have to check the exact command)
[11:02] <TJ-> janat08: if you're able to do a chroot mount of the BTRFS root file-system that'd be the easiest way to do it and ensure the system remains stable
[11:02] <adac> hi there! Which package does hold the "rev" binary? Aynone knows?
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> adac: rev: /usr/bin/rev
[11:03] <adac> lotuspsychje, yes but which deb package has this?
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> oh
[11:04] <geirha> dpkg -S /usr/bin/rev
[11:04] <TJ-> !info util-linux | adac
[11:04] <ducasse> adac: util-linux
[11:05] <adac> thanks guys!
[11:07] <TJ-> I'm chasing down a really annoying issue with 18.04, LUKS2 encrypted root container won't unlock from initialramfs
[11:08] <SwedeMike> TJ-: what have you done so far, and what happens? Has this ever worked?
[11:11] <TJ-> SwedeMike: done? broken it I think! It *seems* as if kernel modules (or libraries) are missing from the initialramfs. cryptetup --debug reports "Userspace crypto wrapper cannot use aes-xts-plain65 (-95)". -95 == -EOPNOSUPP so I'm inclined to think there's a missing kernel module for crypto side but not been able to determine which so far. I'm building a duplicate config to test in a VM now.
[11:11] <TJ-> SwedeMike: I think it may be due to having "MODULES=dep" in initramfs.conf but can't confirm that as yet
[11:15] <SwedeMike> TJ-: so it worked before, and then you changed to MODULES=dep and updated initramfs and then it didn't work after that?
[11:15] <antimatroid> when I scroll using a macbook trackpad using ubuntu 14.04 with gnome-session-fallback it keeps scrolling when my fingers leave the track pad, this is not happening for me with 18.04, how do I turn this feature on? I cannot live without it.. or are there any other distros that have this feature?
[11:16] <antimatroid> It also speeds up the more times I fling my fingers, and works seamlessly, also stopping when I put my fingers back down, it is amazing, why on earth would this not happen with 18.04?
[11:16] <antimatroid> although I'm running 14.04 on a 2014 11 inch macbook air, and 18.04 on a 2015 11 inch macbook air if that is for some reason making the difference?
[11:16] <SwedeMike> TJ-: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=901884 talks about this and possibly how to remedy the situation.
[11:18] <SwedeMike> antimatroid: I doubt it, they both have similar touchpads, right? They're both the old click-style one?
[11:19] <TJ-> SwedeMike: no, its nothing so simple unfortunately; all the obvious modules are loaded
[11:20] <antimatroid> yep, though I think there were problems getting linux running on the 2015 models when they first came out
[11:21] <antimatroid> I originally got a 2015 one years ago and couldn't get ubuntu running so sold it and got a 2014 model (with i5 and 8gb ram), just got myself a 2015 model with i7 and 8gb ram as a second (love the 11 inch airs, and still can't run linux on the 12 inch macbooks well)
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> antimatroid: did you try 18.04 on those?
[11:21] <antimatroid> that would have been around the end of 2015
[11:21] <TJ-> SwedeMike: actually, scratch that, it could be the one. Although I did look on another system for an xts module and there wasn't one. I'll recheck
[11:22] <antimatroid> I am typing this on the 2014 laptop that still has 14.04 on it
[11:22] <antimatroid> I am not liking 18.04 at the moment, there's quite a few things that seem like a step backwards to me
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> antimatroid: 14.04 will soon be eol, maybe try a few 18.04 tests
[11:22] <antimatroid> and a whole bunch of animations/effects that use up resources and slow things down
[11:22] <antimatroid> I am, but I'm hating it
[11:22] <antimatroid> I am starting to consider what other distros I should try
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> antimatroid: ive tested 18.04 on several macs recently, all worked like a charm
[11:22] <TJ-> SwedeMike: I was correct; we don't have an 'xts' module
[11:22] <antimatroid> I love 14.04 with gnome-session-flashback, it works perfectly :(
[11:23] <antimatroid> do you use gnome-session-flashback?
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> antimatroid: lets discuss in #ubuntu-discuss
[11:24] <LaRose_Bleu> yello
[11:24] <LaRose_Bleu> does anyone here know how to use TheFuck?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> thats a git right LaRose_Bleu ?
[11:24] <LaRose_Bleu> i only found out about it yday and the documentation makes no sense
[11:24] <LaRose_Bleu> yeah lotuspsychje
[11:25] <LaRose_Bleu> i think so
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> LaRose_Bleu: follow the instructions of install on the git
[11:25] <LaRose_Bleu> its on the main repo so install isnt the issue
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> oh
[11:25] <LaRose_Bleu> i read that its great when you can use it but its really not noob friendly
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> LaRose_Bleu: how about the manpage?
[11:27] <LaRose_Bleu> lotuspsychje: ive had better luck asking a blinf man for directions
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> LaRose_Bleu: sorry?
[11:28] <LaRose_Bleu> i mean the man page is absolutely no help lol
[11:28] <LaRose_Bleu> i checked it, did some googles
[11:28] <LaRose_Bleu> checked the thing's help page
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> LaRose_Bleu: this channel is really for the ubuntu support of things, not specially for every package tutorial
[11:29] <LaRose_Bleu> alright, thats fair
[11:34] <NemPlayer> Hey
[11:34] <NemPlayer> I have a problem with my 5.1 surround sound speakers which I've been trying to fix for the last 3 hours
[11:36] <qwebirc16339> hey folks! quick question! i have a dual monitor setup running on my dedicated and igpu (desktop) and suddenly my 2nd monitor is not detected, the igpu shows up in neofetch, but i can't find the monitor, any ideas?
[11:36] <NemPlayer> Ubuntu doesn't let me change the speakers to stereo mode in the settings, but when I open the pulseaudio settings, there is an option - but when I choose it it just produces loud crackling noises and says Establishing connection after a second
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> !sound | NemPlayer start here
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> NemPlayer: see also pavucontrol as a test, and check sudo lshw -C sound if your driver= is loaded
[11:44] <NemPlayer> lotuspsych, thanks for your suggestions - my driver is loaded, I just can't choose the 5.1 surround sound option, it doesn't let me as I described earlier
[11:45] <NemPlayer> I've also checked the bot's response and it seems that there is nothing similar to my issue there
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:11] <qwebirc12524> Ubuntu 18.04 IBUS question: The Chinese input window does not show up, only in the search bar (the "activities" search bar), but not in applications. I found an entry in the forums where someone had the same problem, but he was referred to IRC.
[12:14] <tomreyn> qwebirc12524: is this a fresh standard ubuntu 18.04.1 installation?
[12:14] <tomreyn> on amd64 / x86_64 ?
[12:16] <qwebirc12524> yep, 18.04, 64bit ubuntu; I followed these instructions here: https://www.pinyinjoe.com/linux/ubuntu-18-gnome-chinese-setup.htm
[12:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc12524: did you logout and login since setting this up?
[12:19] <qwebirc12524> yes, that did not seem to help.
[12:21] <tomreyn> qwebirc12524: hmm, sorry, i don't really know then, did you ask in #ubuntu-cn ?
[12:21] <qwebirc12524> tomreyn: not yet, I did not know about that channel. Thx!
[12:22] <tomreyn> qwebirc12524: if the issue persists afterwards, please do file a bug using "ubuntu-bug ibus"
[12:22] <tichun> Anyone got non-english characters display just as other characters in chrome? https://imgur.com/a/XW3nHNy - ę in this case looks non-standard.
[12:26] <tomreyn> tichun: i have them display properly in chromium-browser. maybe chrome uses a different font, or just this website you're visiting?
[12:28] <tichun> Installing chromium. I think it happens on all sites, and this screenshot comes from youtube. These characters appear a bit under others, that makes them stand out.
[12:31] <tichun> Nevermind, I'll try searching the web more. Thanks and sorry
[12:37] <LaRose_Bleu> is there a way to turn off some notifications on gnome?
[12:37] <LaRose_Bleu> tired of my laptop telling me its gonna sleep whenever its about to sleep
[12:42] <tomreyn> LaRose_Bleu: in "settings", you have "notifications", which can be enabled or disabled per application, and where you can choose to have notifications stack up next to the calendar / clock menu only instead of showing as popups
[12:43] <tomreyn> (i see how this doesn't enable you to suppress select notifications, though.)
[12:43] <tomreyn> i'm assuming you're asking about gnome-shell here.
[13:02] <LaRose_Bleu> yes, i have kubuntu installed but i replaced the DE with gnome3
[13:03] <LaRose_Bleu> its pretty and all but the notifications are a bit much
[13:04] <qwebirc50048> hello
[13:05] <roracle> hey guys, having a problem: when i install the nvidia drivers (official), my full screen games (like quake3) is dark.  Desktop is normal brightness, but all fullscreen ogl stuff is dark.  any tips on this?
[13:25] <Locodice> Starting Linux From Scratch !
[13:38] <lericson> Any xfce users? I'm wondering if there is something like xfce4-app-finder but also files.
[14:00] <ohit> hi
[14:01] <ohit> hi parser here
[14:01] <ohit> :)
[14:01] <ohit> what is this plac
[14:02] <ohit> hi
[14:02] <ohit> hello
[14:04] <Guest22> hey I need help
[14:07] <ghostnik11> hey i am trying to boot from grub as i had an error with /boot/grub/i386-efi/normal.mod not found
[14:07] <ghostnik11> so now i am trying to run linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/?
[14:08] <ghostnik11> but i don't know what the sda is suppose to be
[14:09] <lericson> you get no menu at all, ghostnik11?
[14:09] <lericson> your best bet is probably to try to cat the actual grub cfg and find the dev id or sth
[14:09] <ghostnik11> lericson: nope, right now i am trying to use a live cd to fix it or actually boot into ubuntu bungie
[14:11] <ghostnik11> lericson: and i can't just say to grub that the kernel is here: linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/
[14:11] <TJ-> ghostnik11: if normal.mod cannot be found that suggests root= and prefix= may be incorrect. Examine them with "set"
[14:12] <lericson> ghostnik11: fyi the normal.mod i got if i tried to do "old-skool" boot into a grub-efi install
[14:12] <lericson> i'm sure there is some way to make grub able to handle both but i couldn't
[14:12] <TJ-> ghostnik11: if you're in the live environment right now you can mount the target in a chroot to fix
[14:12] <ghostnik11> TJ-: i used: set root=(hd1,gpt2)
[14:13] <TJ-> ghostnik11: ok (doesn't need the parenthesis though) and what did you set prefix= ? that is the more important value
[14:13] <ghostnik11> TJ-: so i should just boot the live usb and then do chroot to fix, b/c i went to live cd and just pressed c to edit
[14:13] <ghostnik11> set prefix=(hd1,gpt2)/boot/grub
[14:13] <TJ-> ghostnik11: usually, if the OS root-fs also contain the /boot/grub/ files, you'd do "set prefix=($root)/boot/grub"
[14:14] <TJ-> ghostnik11: at that point "ls /" should list the grub directory with grub.cfg, and i386-pc/ (or x86_64-efi/) directory
[14:14] <ghostnik11> TJ-: "set prefix=($root)/boot/grub" and then i would be able to boot normal in
[14:15] <TJ-> ghostnik11: at that point any 'insmod' shuld work *if* the module's have been correctly installed in /boot/grub/i386-pc/
[14:15] <TJ-> ghostnik11: usually the modules are there but the prefix is set to point to the wrong location
[14:16] <TJ-> ghostnik11: use 'ls $prefix/" to check what files are there
[14:16] <ghostnik11> TJ-: yeah insmod linux works its i can't boot because it says i need to load the kernel first
[14:16] <TJ-> ghostnik11: if grub has it's own boot file-system that is usually mounted to /boot/ by the OS, then you'd need "set prefix=($root)/grub" instead
[14:17] <ghostnik11> which is where i am stuck b/c i don't know where to check for linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/gpt2 ro
[14:17] <ghostnik11> TJ-: okay
[14:17] <TJ-> ghostnik11: OK, so is there a grub.cfg listed when you do "ls $prefix/" ?
[14:18] <ghostnik11> when i run ls $prefix/ it comes back and says /grub/ not found
[14:19] <ghostnik11> TJ-: but when i run with /boot/grub and run $prefix/ i get gfxblacklist.txt unicode.pf2
[14:20] <TJ-> ghostnik11: Good, that tells us 1) that /boot/grub is in the OS root file-system and 2) that both "grub-install" and "update-grub" were not used there
[14:20] <ghostnik11> TJ-: i think i should just boot into live cd and try to fix grub
[14:21] <TJ-> ghostnik11: for (2) I know grub-install wasn't used properly because it creates the modules directory for the architecture, which for BIOS/legacy boot is i386-oc/
[14:21] <TJ-> grrr, i386-pc
[14:22] <TJ-> ghostnik11: there's one other thing, that might help you set a correct "linux" command-line. I notice you've got 'hd1' which implies there is also a hd0 - is the hd0 a USB device or another HDD/SSD ?
[14:23] <TJ-> ghostnik11: the 2nd question is, did the OS get installed using LVM in which case you'd have a "root=/dev/mapper/$VGNAME-$LVNAME" form
[14:24] <TJ-> ghostnik11: I'm assuming not in which case "linux /vmlinuz-4.15.0-43.generic ro root=/dev/sda2 debug systemd.log_level=info" should be enough, followed by "initrd /initrd.img-4.15.0-43-generic" and then "boot"
[14:26] <ph88> sometimes my audio start to make noise, after a reboot it's fine. How do i restart audio from command line ?
[14:28] <Tin_man> ph88, this might work >> sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[14:28] <zetheroo> How do you force Ubuntu to renew it's IP address from the DHCP server?
[14:28] <ph88> init scripts ?
[14:29] <Tin_man> ph88, found here >>> https://superuser.com/questions/17312/restart-ubuntu-sound-processes-via-command-line
[14:29] <TJ-> zetheroo: That depends on what network manageer you're using
[14:29] <ph88> thanks Tin_man
[14:29] <Guest22> how to install deluge client on ubuntu server ? I m new to linux
[14:29] <zetheroo> TJ-: no gui installed
[14:30] <zetheroo> TJ-: just using netplan afaik
[14:30] <Guest22> ph88 here is another one https://askubuntu.com/questions/15223/how-can-i-restart-pulseaudio-without-logout/15224#15224
[14:30] <TJ-> zetheroo: which ubuntu release? possibly systemd-networkd or ifupdown ?
[14:30] <TJ-> zetheroo: OK, so it's systemd-networkd then
[14:31] <zetheroo> 18.04
[14:31] <TJ-> zetheroo: this may do it but I'm not 100% sure it will renew a lease that isn't close to expiry: "sudo systemctl restart systemd-networkd"
[14:31] <ghostnik11> TJ-: yeah (hd0) is a filesystem is iso9660 and (hd0,msdos2)
[14:32] <ghostnik11> TJ-: no i did install using lvm
[14:32] <TJ-> ghostnik11: I'm doing something similar to you right now, but to solve a LUKSv2 issue.
[14:32] <TJ-> ghostnik11: if you're seeing an incomplete hd1,gpt2 then it's possible you're looking in the wrong place, especially if the system was installed using LVM
[14:32] <TJ-> ghostnik11: how many partitions does hd1 have?
[14:33] <joop_> Hey, I'm trying to run nfs-kernel-server in an LXC container, but the service won't start
[14:33] <joop_> Dependency failed for NFS server and services.
[14:33] <joop_> Anyone knows the answer? rpcbind service is running, export folder exists, apparmor is not present (anymore) on the host
[14:34] <ghostnik11> ls shows me this: hd0 hd0,msdos2 hd1 hd1,gpt2 hd1,gpt1 hd2 hd3
[14:34] <ghostnik11> TJ-: hdt,gpt2 is a ext 2
[14:34] <joop_> Running Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[14:37] <TJ-> ghostnik11: OK, so I'd presume hd1,gpt1 is the BIOS Boot partition for GRUB's core, and hd1,gpt2 is the OS installation. Those names seem to tell us also that the system is NOT using LVM for the root-fs, else you would not be able to list the files as you can
[14:39] <TJ-> ghostnik11: that in turn confirms that using "root=/dev/sda2" may be correct (but as there are other fixed devices (hd0, hd2, hd3) Linux may see the rootfs on e.g. sdb2 instead, so you may have to experiment on that
[14:39] <ghostnik11> TJ-: i see, so i have been setting grub incorrectly i should have been using hd1,gpt1
[14:39] <TJ-> ghostnik11: no, so far it seems correct. GRUB's core image is pure binary in gpt1, it IS NOT a file-system
[14:40] <lucenera> I keep getting a message from ubuntu-softare when I'm looking for updates: it's impossible to get a list of updates. Does anyone else have the same problem? I have tried various versions of the ubuntu-software package and Ubuntu 18.04.1 and 18.10, same problem.
[14:40] <lucenera> If I use apt from the command line, it works all regularly.
[14:41] <TJ-> ghostnik11: so far you seem to have things in order with the exception of (some/all) missing GRUB modules. However, as hd1,gpt2 appears to be the root-fs, you can still load them!! they're in /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/
[14:42] <TJ-> ghostnik11: so, if you do "ls (hd1,gpt2)/boot/" and you see the OS's vmlinuz-* and initrd.img-* you can infer you can also do "set prefix=($root)/usr/lib/grub/" and then 'insmod xxxx'*should*  work
[14:43] <TJ-> ghostnik11: you can check that first with "ls (hd1,gpt2)/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/"
[14:45] <ghostnik11> TJ-: yeah doing ls (hd1,gpt2)/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/" gave me a list off all the files in side of that folder
[14:48] <TJ-> ghostnik11: so you set prefix= as I suggested above ^ and then use 'insmod xxxx' to load modules to help you get bootstrapped into the system, from where you can rerun grub-install and update-grub to fix it
[14:50] <TJ-> ghostnik11: I've just used the same method to get into the LUKSv2 encrypted system, but using an external USB with an alternative vmlinuz/initrd.img on
[14:56] <ghostnik11> TJ-: i get to busybox with (initramfs) now
[14:57] <ghostnik11> TJ-: says no init found. try passing init=bootarg
[14:58] <TJ-> ghostnik11: that suggests the wrong root= was specified. what does "cat /proc/cmdline" report?
[15:00] <noonien> hello folks
[15:00] <noonien> is it possible to do an even more minimal instalation than mini.iso?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> noonien: what purpose do you have exactly?
[15:01] <joop_> You could of course compile a kernel that only supports your specific hardware.
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> joop_: we dont really reccomend compiling own kernels here
[15:02] <noonien> just curious, i see a that a mini.iso instalation results in ~357 installed packages
[15:02] <TJ-> Kernel isn't that big, usually around 8-9MiB
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> noonien: you can strip down the mini install to a real base minimum, choose what and whatnot you need during setup
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> noonien: or talk to the server guys, maybe that can be small too
[15:03] <noonien> i see binaries such as "eject, ed, ftp" which i never use
[15:03] <noonien> i installed from mini.iso, selected no options during tasksel
[15:03] <barnex> can I ask someone to confirm for me that firefox on ubuntu (I'm currently at 18.04 but I've also tried the 'official' ff from their page) goes to the beginning of the line when you input right alt+space in its input boxes? like chat, messenger or comment/comment reply?
[15:04] <noonien> from what i remember, mini.iso was the most minimal installer, apart from doing it manually with debootstrap, which i don't care enough to do
[15:05] <noonien> i'm guessing the commands i don't use are probably installed by a meta package that something depends on
[15:05] <noonien> packages*
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> noonien: depends on your purpose, but you can purge packages to minimum after the mini install
[15:05] <TJ-> noonien: "dpkg -S /path/to/file" and then "apt-cache rdepends $PKG" will give you an idea of what pulls them in
[15:06] <jmc> noonien: i'm typing right now from a mini.iso instalation
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> jmc: maybe you can df -h him as a preview?
[15:07] <noonien> i got 2.3G on a fresh install of 18.10
[15:07] <noonien> with a luks root, so that might have pulled in additional packages
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> noonien: i always clean out around 2Gig with bleachbit too
[15:07] <jmc> i instaled several packges now...
[15:08] <noonien> jmc: you running X?
[15:08] <barnex> re my question, I meant facebook in firefox on ubuntu, cause I can't find that weird behaviour anywhere else.
[15:08] <jmc> noonien: yes i do
[15:08] <jmc> df -h partial results: /dev/sda1       220G   17G  192G   8% /
[15:08] <noonien> jmc: cool, installed by `apt-get install xorg`?
[15:09] <noonien> also, do you use lightdm?
[15:09] <jmc> yes, and after that i install I3
[15:09] <noonien> awesome, it's what i want to do as well!
[15:09] <jmc> works great
[15:09] <noonien> i tried xorg lightdm i3-wm yesterday, got a `could not start session`
[15:10] <noonien> trying again today, did you have to install anything else?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> barnex: ive just tryed alt space, doesnt do anything weird here
[15:10] <noonien> jmc: could i bother you for a list of packages you installed manually?
[15:10] <barnex> lotuspsychje: in facebook, right?
[15:10] <barnex> lotuspsychje: thanks
[15:10] <noonien> if you have such a list
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> barnex: yes
[15:11] <barnex> seems that's something that only happens to me somehow :c
[15:11] <barnex> may I ask for your locale?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> noonien jmc you can discuss in #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> barnex: Nl (belgium)
[15:13] <barnex> lotuspsychje: thank you
[15:21] <ghostnik11> TJ-: i get BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2
[15:29] <TJ-> ghostnik11: OK, which is what you set. Does "blkid" correctly report the info for /dev/sda2 (fs-type, etc) ?
[15:29] <TJ-> ghostnik11: as I said earlier, it may actually be /dev/sdb2 due to the other devices
[15:37] <ghostnik11> TJ-: i tried with sdb2 and it says /dev/sdb2 doesn't exist
[15:38] <ghostnik11> TJ-: actually blkid gives me /dev/mmcblk1p2: uuid= ... type=ext4
[15:39] <TJ-> ghostnik11: AHH!!
[15:39] <ghostnik11> TJ-: okay so it should be linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/mmcblk1p2 ro
[15:39] <TJ-> ghostnik11: so you've an SD-card in there too? Is the device booting from it?
[15:40] <ghostnik11> TJ-: its a 2 in 1 baytrail tablet/pc
[15:40] <TJ-> ghostnik11: so that's the boot device though?
[15:40] <TJ-> ghostnik11: in which case your amended command-line will be correct
[15:42] <rapidwave> I have recently installed Bionic. I'm trying to put a lighter-weight DE on here, but installing xfdesktop4 didn't seem to work. Installation went fine, but there is no option for it at login.
[15:43] <TJ-> !info xfce4-session | rapidwave
[15:44] <OerHeks> or just xubuntu-desktop ?
[15:45] <rapidwave> I'm not looking to install another flavor over this one, just switch to lighter desktop ennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnvvironment.
[15:46] <ghostnik11> TJ-: okay thanks for the help, now i have to tell it how to fix grub
[15:46] <ghostnik11> TJ-: i finally booted in
[15:46] <TJ-> rapidwave: you want XFCE4 session available at the greeter login don't you?
[15:47] <TJ-> ghostnik11: "sudo grub-install /dev/mmcblk1" then "sudo update-grub"
[15:47] <ghostnik11> TJ-: thing is my device is specific b/c it uses a 32 bit grub and its OS is 64bit
[15:48] <OerHeks> ghostnik11, because it is 32 bit UEFI ?
[15:48] <ghostnik11> OerHeks: yeah
[15:49] <OerHeks> uhoh, good luck with drivers, networking and such
[15:49] <albech> anyone successfully configured openvpn to use internal DNS when connecting? used to work in 16.04 but in 18.04 its broken..
[15:50] <TJ-> ghostnik11: tha'ts standard if the device boots using Legacy/BIOS
[15:50] <ghostnik11> OerHeks: well, it boots normal and wifi works along with brightness and etc.
[15:50] <TJ-> ghostnik11: you listed modules in ../i386-pc/ so it's BIOS mode booting
[15:51] <ghostnik11> TJ-: yeah but now i need to install the bootloader
[15:51] <ghostnik11> TJ-: i will have to mount efi system partition then do chrooting
[15:51] <TJ-> ghostnik11: if it were doing UEFI boot they modules would be ../i386-efi/
[15:52] <TJ-> ghostnik11: what does "ls /sys/firmware/efi/" report?
[15:52] <phazon> rapidwave: so use window manager, with pkgs picked yourself, and not the full blown suite of DEs; we have a metric tonne to choose from
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> +1 phazon
[15:52] <ghostnik11> TJ-: so when i run lsblk -f i get: mmcblk1p1 as vfat with /boot/efi and mmclbk1p2 as ext4 with /
[15:53] <phazon> rapidwave: also: dont spam with nonsense
[15:53] <TJ-> ghostnik11: so how come you earlier reported that /usr/share/grub/i386-pc/ listed and loaded modules?
[15:53] <ghostnik11> TJ-: there are modules there
[15:53] <TJ-> ghostnik11: do you have both grub-pc and grub-efi-ia32 installed?
[15:54] <ghostnik11> TJ-: no
[15:54] <ghostnik11> TJ-: should i mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /boot/efi
[15:54] <TJ-> ghostnik11: something isn't added up. Earlier you reported that from grub you could see/use (hd1,gpt2)/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/
[15:54] <rapidwave> Is xubuntu-desktop package just DE or is it a complete other flavor of Ubuntu?
[15:55] <TJ-> ghostnik11: if that ^^ is the case then it did NOT boot in EFI mode
[15:55] <TJ-> ghostnik11: so, what does "ls /sys/firmware/efi" report?
[15:55] <phazon> rapidwave: it pulls in the entire suite of pkgs from xubuntu; which is just a flavour of XFCE with a preselection of pkgs and configurations
[15:56] <OerHeks> sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends # would add a slim xubuntu desktop
[15:56] <ghostnik11> TJ-: it shows me: config_table, esrt, fw_vendor, runtime-map, vars, efivars, fw_platform_size, runtime, systab
[15:57] <phazon> rapidwave: it at least has a properly configured pulseaudio, out of the box, and whisker-menu
[15:57] <TJ-> ghostnik11: So it is booted in EFI mode; not sure how but presumably you didn't have to actually insert any additional modules for it to boot. OK, so, does /etc/fstab contain an entry for /boot/efi ? If so it should already be mounted
[15:59] <phazon> rapidwave: but it you still have all the bloat of gnome services and support pkgs that came along with default ubuntu
[16:00] <ghostnik11> TJ-: i just looked via regular file manager and i see /boot/efi and it has files in it
[16:00] <TJ-> ghostnik11: if it's mounted then "sudo grub-install /dev/mmcblk1 && sudo update-grub" is all that is needed
[16:04] <ghostnik11> TJ-: shouldn't i run apt install grub-efi-ia32 then grub-install --efi-directory /boot/efi followed by update-grub
[16:08] <TJ-> ghostnik11: but grub has just booted so it must have that package surely? Or did you remove it at some point?
[16:09] <ghostnik11> TJ-: yeah but grub booted b/c i used a live usb to get in
[16:09] <TJ-> ghostnik11: if the system doesn't need grub-pc remove that, for a UEFI install you do not need to tell grub-install anything but the boot device; it works everything else out
[16:09] <TJ-> ghostnik11: Ahhhhh! now it becomes clear!
[16:11] <ghostnik11> TJ-: so i should just use apt install grub-efi-ia32 which will remove grub-pc with that command
[16:12] <TJ-> ghostnik11: yes
[16:13] <ghostnik11> TJ-: okay cool, i did apt update first in terminal now the software updater is updating the software. once its done then i can run the command
[16:15] <TJ-> ghostnik11: I have to depart now but I think you're about sorted :)
[16:16] <ghostnik11> TJ-: thanks for all the help and have a nice day
[16:32] <tanja84dk> does anyone know how I can fix this kind of apt issue where packages are held back https://pastebin.com/NyhJRf1K
[16:33] <teward> tanja84dk: stop using PPAs?  What does `sudo apt-get install -f` suggest as a resolution?
[16:34] <Wenzel> hi, does the old repositories on old-releases contain debug symbols ?
[16:34] <Wenzel> i would like to debug the linux kernel of 14.10 and i can't find them
[16:34] <Wenzel> not there on ddebs.ubuntu.com also
[16:35] <Wenzel> have they been removed forever ? :(
[16:35] <sparr> trying to follow a guide on the ubuntu wiki for building a kernel, I end up failing to run fakeroot, "175: /usr/bin/fakeroot: debian/rules: not found"
[16:35] <tanja84dk> teward, its not ppa but repos directly from nginx and mariadb to have the newest stable asap for security reasons. Btw it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded."
[16:36] <phazon> tanja84dk: "repos directly from nginx and mariadb" are PPAs...
[16:36] <teward> tanja84dk: ^ that.
[16:37] <teward> tanja84dk: PPAs and "external repositories" are both considered "PPAs"
[16:37] <phazon> if it isnt in the distro repos, it is a problem you've created for yourself
[16:37] <mnemmonic> \quit
[16:37] <teward> tanja84dk: keep in mind that mixing Ubuntu repos and third party repos doesn't always work
[16:37] <teward> esp. with nginx and such :P
[16:38] <tanja84dk> okay...  hmm guess I need to find another system for the server then
[16:38] <teward> it can cause headaches like this.
[16:38] <teward> tanja84dk: no, you just need to better configure things and know what you're doing
[16:38] <teward> I can probably help with the nginx problems but in an external area, not here.
[16:38] <phazon> or you could just use what the distro provides...
[16:38] <teward> ^ this too
[16:38] <teward> tanja84dk: keep in mind nginx and MariaDB are both in the repositories
[16:39] <tanja84dk> well the versions that the distro provide is many times old stable so they are behind. And when we are talking about a online server that is a big security risk
[16:39] <phazon> ubuntu and debian developers are packaging builds with security fixes as fast as they can too, ya know; no need for buggy external repos
[16:39] <teward> tanja84dk: Ubuntu's nginx is patched for security risks
[16:39] <teward> so is MariaDB
[16:40] <teward> and I know about the nginx being patched 'cause I'm one of the primary maintainers of nginx in Ubuntu ;)
[16:40] <phazon> stable is old, but it is stable; they backport patches, often when a release isn't even supported upstream anymore
[16:40] <jellycode> ON ubuntu 18.04, i'm trying to get a specific version of openssl, and it's not working:            apt-get install libssl1.0.0=1.0.2h-1ubuntu4
[16:40] <tanja84dk> ẅell even a delay of a week for the patch to get to ubuntu's repo is a week where the server could be exployded
[16:41] <teward> tanja84dk: see PMs, i'll help yo uwith nginx there.
[16:41] <teward> tanja84dk: as for the security updates, usually they're released way more frequently than that :P
[16:41] <teward> esp. with nginx and me helping drive it :P
[16:42] <teward> (usually within a day or two at most though for the nginx stuff, I always bug the security team lolO
[16:42] <phazon> released within hours sometimes...
[16:42] <teward> ^ this
[16:42] <teward> depending on the circumstances.
[16:43] <teward> but again that's a larger discussion not in the purview of this channel :P
[16:43] <phazon> often coordinated with other vendors as well so the patches are available as soon as possible across the ecosystem.
[16:47] <noonien> is there a way of being able to choose what optional dependencies to install when installing a package from a command line?
[16:48] <noonien> for example, package xorg depends on gnome-termnal or xterm or x-terminal-emulator
[16:48] <noonien> how can is see these options when installing a package?
[16:51] <coz_> noonien, if i am not mistaken, when you do apt install something, it should list all dependencies before installing, giving you a choice, however if you want to avoid installing some dependency you might try  switch, let me fine a link
[16:51] <coz_> noonien, https://serverfault.com/questions/250224/how-do-i-get-apt-get-to-ignore-some-dependencies
[16:51] <noonien> well, yes, but in xorgs example, it lists gnome-terminal as a dependency
[16:51] <phazon> '--no-install-recommends' stops installation of _optional_ dependencies
[16:52] <coz_> ahh ^^^
[16:52] <noonien> yeah, that's not what i want
[16:52] <noonien> i guess "optional" dependencies is not the correct term
[16:52] <EriC^^> noonien: apt-cache show <package> shows the recommended ones
[16:52] <noonien> they aren't optional, you just have an option of what to choose
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[16:52] <noonien> notice the first 3 packages
[16:53] <EriC^^> you could do that command and manually install what you want of them
[16:53] <phazon> noonien: so choose one that meets the requirement of "x-terminal-emulator"
[16:53] <noonien> yes, that's not the issue
[16:54]  * coz_ is a bit confused
[16:54] <noonien> i wanted to know about these packages, and optionally be prompted by which one to install, when installing a package
[16:54] <noonien> without going to the website
[16:54] <noonien> or running apt-cache
[16:54] <EriC^^> noonien: you want to get an option to select which packages of the 'recommended' ones ?
[16:55] <noonien> because, for example, what if i wanted to install something that depends on xorg
[16:55] <coz_> yeah?
[16:55] <phazon> EriC^^: xorg has a hard dependency on an xterm, they wanna be able to select one themselves
[16:55] <noonien> i would have to run apt-cache on all of the dependencies, and then discover that xorg can have multiple dependency options
[16:55] <EriC^^> noonien: if you install something that depends on xorg, then apt would install xorg as a dependency
[16:55] <phazon> which is easy, just pick one from the list of recommends, and manually install it along with xorg
[16:55] <noonien> it does not appear in recommends
[16:56] <phazon> noonien: in the depends then.
[16:56] <noonien> it appears nowhere when running `apt-get install xorg`
[16:56] <teward> noonien: the 'depends' is "a OR b OR c" when you have `a | b | c`
[16:56] <noonien> it just resolves `gnome-terminal` as a dependencies
[16:56] <teward> you don't get to 'choose' that
[16:56] <noonien> teward: well, that's exactly what i want to do
[16:56] <noonien> i know the aptitude GUI can do that
[16:56] <teward> it does it in order, checks if 'a' exists, if it odesn't checks if 'b' exists, if it doesn't checks if 'c' exists, if all else fails.
[16:56] <noonien> is there a CLI tool that can as well?
[16:57] <teward> noonien: i mean, you can do `apt install package b`
[16:57] <teward> and explicitly *state* what you want installed
[16:57] <teward> but there's no way to select at install time no
[16:57] <noonien> argh :(
[16:57] <teward> not without manually specifying the 'dependency' you want to install
[16:57] <ducasse> noonien: just do 'apt install xorg xterm''
[16:57] <phazon> noonien: apt install xorg sakura xterm <x-terminal-emu-package-here>
[16:57] <coz_> noonien, if you are sure aptitude does it, can't you us that?
[16:57] <phazon> ninja'd!
[16:57] <noonien> yeah, that's what i'm doing atm, but i have to look into what dependencies satisfy that option manually
[16:58] <phazon> noonien: that's what happens when you're at the mercy of other pkg maintainers
[16:58] <noonien> xterm might have similar depends conditions as well, for example
[16:58] <noonien> and a dependency of xterm might as well
[16:58] <EriC^^> noonien: how does one list all packages that provide "x-terminal-emulator" ?
[16:58] <phazon> maintainers make odd choices sometimes; we have to live with them
[16:59] <noonien> coz_: i don't have an X session running yet, and i want to be able to do that from the command line, since i always install packages from cli
[16:59] <noonien> phazon: but, i CAN make a choice
[16:59] <noonien> i just don't know what choices are available, without recursively looking into all dependency conditions
[16:59] <coz_> noonien, I see, and the problem with dependencies is what again?
[17:00] <EriC^^> noonien: how are you recursively looking into the deps?
[17:00] <hggdh> he is not. He would like an easy way to do it
[17:00] <EriC^^> noonien: like it says "xterm | x-terminal-emulator" then what
[17:00] <EriC^^> he says he's manually doing something
[17:01] <EriC^^> is there a way to list all packages that have "Provides: x-terminal-emulator" ? i guess one could get the dpkg files if anything
[17:01] <teward> EriC^^: he wants to be able to manually *select* which between xterm or x-terminal-emulator he installs, but to be prompted to rather than having to manually specify it during the apt install step
[17:01] <teward> but you're right there it's not done easily on the CLI
[17:01] <EriC^^> teward: yeah, it sounds like something doable with a script
[17:02] <EriC^^> before running apt, check the "optional stuff" list them, give list and choose 1 and install before installing said package
[17:02] <noonien> EriC^^: let's say i want to install xorgxrdp. it depends on xorg, but when doing a simple `aptget instal xorgxrdp`, gnome-terminal gets resolved as a dependency. this is fine, however, i want to be able to know that there are alternatives
[17:02] <noonien> looking as xorgxrdp does not give an answer, i have to look into its dependencies as well, until i hit xorg
[17:03] <noonien> then i can see that there is an OR dependency
[17:03] <EriC^^> i dont have that package in 16.04
[17:03] <EriC^^> !info xorgxrdp
[17:03] <noonien> same thing with virtual packages
[17:03] <noonien> it would be great to have a tool to be able to select which package i can install, recursively
[17:04] <noonien> the problem seems convoluted, i don't even know what to search for
[17:04] <coz_> noonien, I don't have a decent answer for this one, sorry
[17:05] <EriC^^> noonien: it's easy, if you can find a way to get which packages have the "Provides: x-terminal-emulator" for instance then the rest is easy
[17:05] <EriC^^> i googled but came empty
[17:05] <noonien> it's really not
[17:06] <noonien> i mean, sure, for simple conditions, and virtual packages, it is, i think
[17:06] <EriC^^> it is, write a script like "apt-select" and it checks and gives you the options then calls apt after installing said option
[17:06] <noonien> but solving dependencies is usually a bit more complex
[17:06] <phazon> isn't provides handled by debtags? (if so, they're not always authoritative, accurate, nor enclusive)
[17:08] <noonien> for example, if installig ubuntu-desktop, gnome-terminal gets installed either way
[17:09] <EriC^^> noonien: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/any-aptitude-command-to-find-out-what-packages-belong-to-a-virtual-package-379430/
[17:09] <noonien> solving dependencies usually requires a SAT solver
[17:15] <sparr> I tried copying the debian folder from the kernel 4.18 source package into the mainline 5.0-rc2 source directory and continuing to follow the kernel build instructions but now it complains Unknown sequence binary-headers (choose from: binary binary-arch binary-indep build build-arch build-indep clean install install-arch install-indep)"
[17:22] <socomm> Hello I noticed on bionic tehre is a /run/usr/UID directory. What terms can I search to find out more about this directory?
[17:23] <socomm> Also how to tweak its settings. Currently I see multiple directories for my users each purportedly 3.2G each tmpfs.
[17:25] <socomm> pam_systemd it appears.
[17:25] <noonien> https://wiki.debian.org/DependencyHell#Installation_Set
[17:25] <noonien> Apparently, i was looking for all available installation sets
[17:27] <quality> Hello, I got some trouble in booting up my Ubuntu, and it asking me manually type-in password to decrypt my root partition now. Is there a stand-alone keyfile in boot partition or it has been integrated into initramfs?
[17:27] <lordcirth_> quality, how did it work before?
[17:27] <lordcirth_> And what did you change?
[17:27] <quality> lordcirth_: I just recently run aptitude upgrade
[17:28] <quality> lordcirth_: It seems that grub has been upgraded
[17:28] <lordcirth_> quality, and do you have a password, or did you only have a keyfile?
[17:28] <quality> lordcirth_: I didn't add additional key into keyslot
[17:29] <quality> I think the default decryption key is the only thing I have
[17:29] <lordcirth_> quality, so the keyslot requires a keyfile?
[17:29] <quality> lordcirth_: No idea, it might be
[17:29] <quality> lordcirth_: It's the default setting when I installed the Ubuntu
[17:29] <kappa1> on lsblk I see this entry: sdc      8:32   1    60M  0 disk <- which is my usb flash drive
[17:29] <lordcirth_> quality, the default setting requires you to set a password, last I checked?
[17:30] <kappa1> how can I access it?
[17:30] <quality> lordcirth_: No
[17:30] <tomreyn> quality: yes
[17:30] <kappa1> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdc a
[17:30] <kappa1> mount: /dev/sdc is not a valid block device
[17:30] <lordcirth_> kappa1, Ubuntu desktop? If it is formatted, it should mount automatically
[17:30] <quality> lordcirth_: I don't think the encrypt key is password protected
[17:30] <quality> tomreyn: Usually, I don't need to type in a password to let it decrypted
[17:30] <kappa1> lordcirth_, apparently there is a problem with this flash drive, how can I format it?
[17:30] <quality> and there is no TPM in my computer
[17:31] <lordcirth_> quality, a LUKS keyslot contains a master key, which is then encrypted with your password or keyfile. Perhaps you set a password of ''?
[17:31] <quality> lordcirth_: Maybe
[17:31] <lordcirth_> kappa1, the easiest way is to 'apt install gparted; sudo gparted'
[17:31] <lordcirth_> Or I think the default disk utility is easy too
[17:31] <kappa1> lordcirth_, I tried gparted it says it does not recognize the device
[17:32] <kappa1> "Error opening /dev/sdc: No such device or address"
[17:32] <tomreyn> quality: there is, i think, no way to set a key file for use with cryptsetup-luks using any of the ubuntu installers. so how was this done on your system?
[17:32] <lordcirth_> kappa1, if you run lsblk again, is it still there?
[17:32] <kappa1> yes it is
[17:33] <lordcirth_> kappa1, run 'dmesg -w | tail -f', then unplug and re-plug the USB
[17:33] <lordcirth_> See if you get error messages
[17:33] <quality> tomreyn: I tired ''. It obviously isn't the PSK to decrypt the partition
[17:34] <tomreyn> quality: i didn't ask about this, i asked a different question, though.
[17:34] <lordcirth_> quality, by that, do you mean two literal quotes, or emptystring?
[17:34] <quality> tomreyn: oh, i see
[17:34] <quality> lordcirth_: empty string
[17:34] <kappa1> lordcirth_, nothing happens
[17:34] <lordcirth_> kappa1, you see a few lines when it run it, but nothing new when you plug it in?
[17:35] <kappa1> lordcirth_, I don't see any lines at all. It keeps waiting, but does not output anything
[17:35] <lordcirth_> kappa1, oh, oops, just run 'dmesg -w'
[17:35] <kappa1> I don't see any lines because I think I cleaned the file some minutes ago
[17:35] <kappa1> ok
[17:36] <quality> tomreyn: The initial installation was done by somebody else. Usually, there is a step to ask me input password to decrypt, in normal boot. However, I actually don't need to input anything. Just wait 5 sec, and it goes to next step
[17:36] <lordcirth_> apparently it doesn't like being piped - that's weird
[17:36] <coconut> I can't get ttf-mscorefonts-installer installed. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sV4rNKbY2G/
[17:36] <lordcirth_> quality, that's bizarre
[17:36] <sparr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel which also seems to be outdated. Is there a newer guide?
[17:36] <tomreyn> quality: do you need to aattach a usb device or similar to make the computer boot then?
[17:37] <kappa1> lordcirth_, usb-storage 1-3:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected. [sdc] 122880 512-byte logical blocks: (62.9 MB/60.0 MiB)
[17:37] <quality> tomreyn: no
[17:37] <coconut> It says "Could not wait for server fd - select (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) [IP: 5.10.152.194 443]"
[17:37] <kappa1> messages in red: [sdc] No Caching mode page found; [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[17:37] <kappa1> not it keeps displaying this message (in white): usb 1-3: reset high-speed USB device number 7 using ehci-pci
[17:37] <kappa1> now*
[17:38] <tomreyn> quality: so your encryption is effectively void anyways, since you either have a key file laying around in the clear, or the encryption was never properly setup-
[17:38] <kappa1> sd 10:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery; [sdc] tag#0 FAILED Result: hostbyte=DID_ABORT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK; [sdc] tag#0 CDB: Read(10) 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00
[17:39] <ongo> Hello, is there a minimal ubuntu install image?
[17:39] <tomreyn> quality: your best bet is probably to talk to whoever set up the encryption for you to find out how to get access to your data, since there is no standard way to configure what yui seem to have.
[17:39] <ongo> something I can bake i3 onto without bloat
[17:39] <quality> There is an error message during boot: Mandos plugin mandos-client: Error[-1250] while reading the OpenPGP key pair ('/conf/conf.d/mandos/pubkey.txt','/conf/conf.d/mandos/seckey.txt')
[17:39] <kappa1> in red: blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 0; Buffer I/O error on dev sdc, logical block 0, async page read; sd 10:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device; ldm_validate_partition_table(): Disk read failed.
[17:39] <lordcirth_> ongo, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:39] <lordcirth_> kappa1, oh, yeah. USB is broken
[17:39] <ongo> thanks lordcirth_
[17:39] <tomreyn> quality: oh you use mandos, even more a reason to talk to whoever set it up for you
[17:39] <quality> Mandos plugin mandos-client: The GnuTLS error is: An unimplemented or disabled feature has been requested
[17:40] <kappa1> sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
[17:40] <quality> tomreyn: okay, thx
[17:40] <tomreyn> quality: this error message will be crucial in solving the issue, pass it on, too.
[17:40] <kappa1> lordcirth_, should I trow it away?
[17:40] <lordcirth_> kappa1, if there's nothing important or private on it.
[17:41] <lordcirth_> kappa1, you could double-check that another USB works in the same port, but 95% likely the USB burned out. They do that.
[17:41] <B0g4r7> I've had a lot of problems with USB.  It seems kinda fragile.
[17:42] <TJ-> quality: tomreyn 'mandos' fetches the key over the network
[17:42] <lordcirth_> B0g4r7, there are more expensive ones that are more reliable. But most are very cheap.
[17:42] <kappa1> lordcirth_, yes, another usb works on that port. this last message does not matter right? : "sd 10:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk"
[17:43] <lordcirth_> kappa1, yeah, the I/O error is the relevant bit. It can't read data from the drive.
[17:43] <B0g4r7> Not just with USB mass storage, but with all kinds of USB devices.  I'm fighting with a USB scanner now.
[17:43] <kappa1> ok, thanks for your help
[17:44] <B0g4r7> On most hosts it will scan part of the page, and then throw an error about "lost connection".  Only on a few magic hosts does it work correctly.
[17:44] <tomreyn> TJ-: right. but since tihs involves a server compnent and is a somewhat complex setup i guess there will be some kind of organization involved there which can help troubleshooting this,
[17:44] <quality> There is another error: Volume group "ubuntu-vg" not found
[17:46] <TJ-> tomreyn: quality The issue is likely that the initramfs-tools hook scripts haven't copied the PGP keys into the initrd.img
[17:47] <TJ-> quality: you can check that with "lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) | grep mandos"
[17:47] <wasutton3> i've got a brother mfc9330cdw and im having trouble getting it working on kubuntu 18.04LTS
[17:48] <wasutton3> i've got the ppd and the /usr/lib/cups/filter file from my arch machine that has it working just fine
[17:48] <TJ-> quality: that error is to be expected since the LVM VG is inside the encrypted container which you've not unlocked, due to the mandos error. If you're in an initialramfs shell do "find / -name '*mandos*'  " to verify what files are present
[17:48] <wasutton3> but the same cups settings don't allow printing
[17:53] <quality> TJ-: can I add something in grub command to enter a initramfs shell?
[17:54] <TJ-> quality: Yes: "break=premount" on the kernel command line (the line starting "linux ..."
[17:54] <quality> TJ-: thx
[17:59] <t0rrant> Hi, have you guys had, or are having, any issues with your cloud repos throughout the day? i.e: http://zone2.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[18:01] <teward> t0rrant: poked my contact on the mirrors team, they haven't heard of any issues, what kind of issues are you seeing?  (cc: jk0ne)
[18:03] <t0rrant> teward: intermittent lack of connection on apt-get update for example, thought of asking here as this could also be on my side, proxies and stuff, being intermittent is what bugged me (cc: jk0ne)
[18:04] <teward> t0rrant: have you tested another repository mirror just to make sure it wasn't that repository mirror/zone?  (such as archive.ubuntu.com directly)
[18:05] <teward> t0rrant: if the case is that you get that on archive.u.c as well then it's likely your end
[18:05] <teward> if not then I'm sure jk0ne can go prodding :P
[18:05] <jk0ne> t0rrant: what teward said.  I haven't heard of any bad behavior in that zone (or any zone) so I'd suspect a local problem
[18:05] <t0rrant> not really, this is a preconfigured cloud image running on top of openstack
[18:05] <t0rrant> yea i think so too
[18:05] <teward> t0rrant: mind adjusting the image to use archive.ubuntu.com instead?  Assuming you can get into it
[18:06] <t0rrant> oddly enough I sometimes *don't* get the error
[18:06] <t0rrant> so I was just going mad trying to understand why
[18:06] <t0rrant> at first it seemed like a proxy issue
[18:07] <t0rrant> but even after I defined the proxies for both apt and profile I would still get that issue
 I tried copying the debian folder from the kernel 4.18 source package into the mainline 5.0-rc2 source directory .. what guide do you follow? anyway, rc3 is released today https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D
[18:08] <t0rrant> teward: I guess it's something related to the network here. Anything else, I'll bug you guys. Thanks and have a good one! (cc: jk0ne)
[18:09] <jk0ne> t0rrant: good luck.
[18:09] <teward> see you :)
[18:09] <sparr> OerHeks: I was trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[18:10] <gaojian> laji
[18:10] <gaojian> hello??
[18:11] <gaojian> who can teach me to play with linux
[18:20] <hp-div7> #ununtu-support
[18:21] <babuloseo> kawaiibuntu
[18:21] <babuloseo> :3
[18:21] <hp-div7> hmm
[18:21] <hp-div7> hi
[18:22] <hp-div7> i womt to #ubuntu support german
[18:22] <genii> !de
[18:23] <hp-div7> thxs
[18:24] <BluesKaj> !snap
[18:30] <tanja84dk> phazon, why is it that the mariadb there is in the ubuntu repo is over 6 month old and there is two versions there is newer marked stable
[18:31] <SlidingHorn> !newest | tanja84dk
[18:31] <eraserpencil> i'm reading through https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/The-Shopt-Builtin.html and am at the 'execfail' option. What does it mean by a shell dosent exit?
[18:33] <OerHeks> tanja84dk, sure you will have found their ppa to get the latest version
[18:33] <tanja84dk> SlidingHorn, then tbh the server will get off ubuntu as soon as I find the time to reinstall it because then I also cant be sure that the software is secure
[18:34] <TJ-> tanja84dk: how is it not secure?
[18:34] <ducasse> eraserpencil: why not ask in #bash?
[18:35] <eraserpencil> wokay
[18:40] <tanja84dk> TJ-, because the version that ubuntu uses have not recieved updates for over 6 month and even the 10.1 series that ubuntu have has recieved several security updates after the 10.1.34 that ubuntu have
[18:46] <TJ-> tanja84dk: Oh, I see what you're getting at. That's because the package is in the 'universe' component which relies on community/volunteers for security patches; Unfortunately no-one has volunteered to do that
[18:56] <crazyh> in ubuntu 16.04, who owns the Xsession that is started up by lightdm
[18:58] <crazyh> I need to know, because I want to connect to that xsession using x11vnc, but I can't do that unless I run it as the owner of the Xsession
[18:59] <BluesKaj> the user who logs in afaik
[19:00] <crazyh> BluesKaj, I'm not trying to connect to the users session AFTER they log in. I'm trying to conenct directly to lightDM, so that I can even see and controll the user login screen
[19:01] <crazyh> in previous versions of Ubuntu 16.04 I could do so as root. Now something has changed and I can only access the X-session if I am the owner of it ( even root can't do it )
[19:01] <BluesKaj> is this a server or desktop?
[19:01] <crazyh> So... who owns it? who do I have to be?
[19:02] <crazyh> BluesKaj, I'm pretty sure it's Desktop, but I didn't install the system... so I don't know 100%
[19:02] <quesker> why does ubuntu have both /boot/grub/menu.lst and /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[19:02] <quesker> isn't one grub1 and the other grub2?
[19:03] <EoflaOE> Hello. I have a problem that the Xfce4 keyboard shortcuts won't register when pressed, whenever I tried to take a screenshot of an amazing scene of the screensaver which comes from XScreenSaver. I have made it so that when I press the "Prt Scrn" key in my OS/2 keyboard, it will execute "xfce4-screenshooter --save ~ --fullscreen" which takes a screenshot and asks me where to save it. However when running a screensaver, that keybinding won't work. Instead,
[19:03] <EoflaOE> the screensaver goes away. Is there any way to fix this problem in order to be able to take screenshots of an interesting part of the screensaver?
[19:03] <EoflaOE> PS/2*
[19:04] <quesker> I used to run lotus notes servers on OS/2
[19:05] <adrian_1908> I doubt that's easily fixed, the screensaver probably grabs focus and I imagine you cannot press any key without interfering.
[19:05] <BluesKaj> crazyh:  well my experience is the user who has login/user premissions owns the xsession
[19:06] <crazyh> BluesKaj, I'm not sure if this helps... but here is what lightDM is using: http://pasteall.org/1468219
[19:07] <crazyh> BluesKaj, I understand that, but this happens BEFORE user login
[19:07] <EoflaOE> adrian_1908: Yes. But is there any way to fix that?
[19:08] <adrian_1908> No easy way at least. Is the screensaver really THAT good? Maybe you can find another program that can replicate the effect and export images.
[19:08] <EoflaOE> Yes, and the name is VidWhacker.
[19:10] <tgm4883> EoflaOE: you could attempt to login via SSH and take a screenshot. Not sure if that would capture what you want though
[19:11] <EoflaOE> tgm4883: Thanks! I will try it.
[19:11] <EoflaOE> tgm4883: but first I need to install openssh-server and configure.
[19:12] <crazyh> BluesKaj, aparrently I need to have the correct Xauthority
[19:14] <OerHeks> xvnc11 and login before the user logged in, tons of howto's with  -auth guess
[19:15] <EoflaOE> SSH is working, now I will try to take a screenshot.
[19:17] <crazyh> OerHeks, I've read the howto's I had this working in Ubuntu 16.04. However, apparently in the newest version there is some small change that makes it now work?
[19:17] <crazyh> *NOT work
[19:18] <OerHeks> no clue about small changes, totally different issue as you stated
[19:18] <swift110> sup folks
[19:18] <crazyh> OerHeks, wow.. thanks man! simply adding '-auth guess' made it work.
[19:19] <EoflaOE> tgm4883: Thanks very much for the solution! It worked perfectly! Now I can take screenshots of interesting parts of the screensaver!
[19:19] <tgm4883> EoflaOE: yw
[19:19] <OerHeks> :-D
[19:19] <EoflaOE> goodbye everyone
[19:19] <adrian_1908> nice!
[19:19] <BluesKaj> crazyh:  never had that happen so I'm glad OerHeks could help
[19:19] <EoflaOE> and thanks adrian_1908
[19:19] <OerHeks> crazyh, have fun!
[19:20] <crazyh> BluesKaj, OerHeks, it looks like it is using this: -auth guess: using 'XAUTHORITY=/var/run/lightdm/root/:0' for disp=':0'
[19:22] <core7> what is a good software to provision cloud instances? I was looking at vagrant+plugins - any other suggestions?
[19:23] <core7> Was looking at terraform - any others I should be looking at?
[19:24] <phazon> tanja84dk: as you've been informed numerous times: older releases of a package get patched for vulns
[19:25] <phazon> tanja84dk: there's a system in place that works for millions of people, you've rejected it; and that's why your machine is now borked by external repositories
[19:26] <Myros> Hello, i'm currently in an initramfs busybox thingy shell, i cant boot. I renamed my vg, and update(d)-grub. I've edited fstab to match the new vg's name.if i try to unlock my luke_crypt partition it gives me an unknown fstype error. What can i do?
[19:27] <TJ-> Myros: Let's be clear, the system has disk > partition > LUKS > LVM > rootfs ?
[19:29] <Myros> TJ- in my brain there is a neuronal connection for these words, i undestand those (mostly), but i dont know what information you want.
[19:30] <TomyWork> is there any advantage to using 18.10 over 18.04 when dealing mainly with, let's call it "bleeding edge devops" that probably needs PPAs and source installs for a lot of stuff anyway?
[19:31] <hggdh> TomyWork: it all depends on how much up-to-date the dependencies have to be
[19:31] <TJ-> Myros: confirmation of how you believe the block devices are arranged so we know how to get to the root-fs
[19:31] <TJ-> Myros: if it's a default FDE install it'll be disk > partition > LUKS > LVM > rootfs
[19:31] <hggdh> TomyWork: but, usually, I deploy containers or VMs to do something like that, and leave my main system as near to stable as possible
[19:32] <TomyWork> hggdh roger, thought so :)
[19:32] <Randolf> Thanks for your help the other day, phazon.  And also thanks to SlidingHorn.
[19:32] <Myros> I installed the default ubuntu lvm-crypto via a live stick. I changed the vg because i had 2 disk with the same and was unable to mount the other disk.
[19:32] <TomyWork> colleague of mine is considering reinstalling his 18.10 cause of some weird breakage and i'm gonna recommend him to stick with 18.04
[19:32] <Myros> Yea default
[19:32] <TJ-> Myros: And if you're at the initiamramfs shell (busybox) you should be able to identify what is in each partition to begin with using "blkid", identify the LUKS block device, then do "cryptsetup open /dev/sdXY sdXY_crypt"
[19:33] <Randolf> I'm using the standard OBS Studio from apt.
[19:34] <phazon> Randolf: assume that means OBS from the repo is working?
[19:34] <SlidingHorn> Randolf: Everything working as you'd liked?
[19:34] <Randolf> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.  I downloaded the ISO from the Ubuntu web site and installed it on my laptop (it replaces Windows 10 that kept destroying itself beyond repair at boot).
[19:34] <Randolf> It's not working.  When I try to start it, it doesn't seem to start.  No error messages appear either, although I haven't tried starting it from the shell.
[19:34] <Myros> If i press esc(ape) on the imput password screen, it automaticly found sda3. What command do i have to execute to identify what is in each partition?
[19:35] <kinghat> do i need to use a different shell to bash into a docker container?
[19:35] <SlidingHorn> Randolf: give it a shot from the command line and see what it tells you.
[19:35] <Randolf> I'm going to try installing it again, and see if I can find out more.
[19:35] <phazon> Randolf: also: does your video card support openGL 3.2?
[19:35] <TomyWork> kinghat what command are you trying to run?
[19:36] <TJ-> Myros: I'm not sure what you mean by 'automatically found sda3' - do you mean sda3 is the LUKS container and it was unlocked?
[19:36] <TJ-> Myros: If you're at the shell do "blkid"
[19:36] <kinghat> TomyWork: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/0F8WTOUQ/
[19:37] <TomyWork> kinghat suggestion to ask in #docker?
[19:37] <TomyWork> does your container have a PATH?
[19:37] <phazon> Randolf: they have an older "OBS Classic" edition that is no longer developed, but it's not /that/ old; might consider trying to build that and just running from your home folder
[19:38] <kinghat> TomyWork: ya im over there now.
[19:38] <Randolf> I'll take a look at that too.
[19:38] <EriC^^> TomyWork: sounds like a linux pick up line ;)
[19:38] <Randolf> If I can get the current one running, that will be better of course.
[19:40] <TomyWork> EriC^^ my container is currently being rebuilt, let's go to yours
[19:40] <kinghat> TomyWork: the image/container uses alpine so needed `sh` over bash. ty
[19:41] <EriC^^> no thanks, i wasnt suggesting going to anyone's container here, just sounded like a good pickup line
[19:41] <TomyWork> :D
[19:41] <TomyWork> i'm off home
[19:42] <Randolf> Hmm, it still doesn't start.  I'll try from the shell.
[19:42] <phazon> Randolf: If it were me, I'd shallow clone their git repo, and attempt building that way, then run from my home folder
[19:42] <phazon> Randolf: if there are error msgs when executing from the shell, pastebin them
[19:43] <phazon> !paste > Randolf
[19:44] <Randolf> I'm getting this:  https://pastebin.com/BKbMtkQE
[19:44] <Randolf> Strangely, when I type "apt search obs-studio" it doesn't indicate that it's installed.
[19:45] <Randolf> I used the GUI to install it -- the Ubuntu store/shopping-bag icon.
[19:45] <Randolf> I'll remove it and try installing from apt instead.
[19:46] <OerHeks> Randolf, does obs-studio need wayland? maybe you run xorg session now, or have no wayland session if you installed nvidia drivers
[19:46] <Randolf> Also, the one in the GUI includes some notes about it beinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng an "unofficial build."
[19:46] <Randolf> I don't know what wayland is.
[19:47] <phazon> !wayland
[19:47] <phazon> Randolf: try installing libwayland-egl1 and see if that helps
[19:48] <Randolf> Okay.  I'm making a note of that.  Thanks.
[19:48] <maetthew> Are there not any dialog showing progress when copying files in Dolphin? Mine just kinda "hangs" until the file finished copying
[19:48] <Randolf> Wow, apt's installer is hundreds of times faster than the GUI installer.
[19:49] <Randolf> ...and it works.
[19:49] <Randolf> So, the lesson here for me is not to use the "Ubuntu Software" icon to install OBS Studio.  Use "sudo apt install obs-studio" instead.
[19:50] <phazon> Randolf: so it works if using the command line, or ofter installing libwayland-egl1?
[19:51] <phazon> if the latter: might wanna file a bug report on that one, tell the maintainers it has an unmet dependency they failed to include in the manifest
[19:52] <phazon> of course check to see if someone hasn't already reported that too
[19:58] <Randolf> phazon: Command-line.  I did NOT install libwayland-egl1.
[19:59] <Randolf> The command-line also doesn't indicate "unofficial build."
[19:59] <phazon> Randolf: obs is working now?
[19:59] <Randolf> Yes.
[19:59] <Randolf> And I just tried out ChromaKey and overlayed a PNG onto the live image.  It's great.
[20:00]  * phazon pops the cork on a bottle champagne
[20:01] <Randolf> Thanks!
[20:01] <Randolf> Interestingly, the GUI icon for OBS is just "OBS" with the command-line installation.  From the GUI installation of the "unnofficial build" the icon is called "OBS Studio."
[20:01] <tgm4883> Randolf: my guess would be you installed the snap via the GUI
[20:02] <Randolf> It's a subtle difference, but interesting to see.
[20:02] <tgm4883> obs-studio  22.0.3   snapcrafters  -      OBS - Free and open source software for live streaming and screen recording  - Unofficial build
[20:03] <Randolf> tgm4883: I do recall seeing the word "snap" in there, actually (with the GUI install).
[20:03] <tgm4883> that would explain it then
[20:04] <OerHeks> there is also a deb package offered, v21
[20:04] <tgm4883> yes, that's available via apt and is what is installed now
[20:04] <OerHeks> * with star rates
[20:05] <OerHeks> i guess the snap rely on wayland?
[20:05] <tgm4883> Guess so
[20:05] <phazon> OerHeks: or just needs that library
[20:06] <JuJUBee> For some reason the default gateway I set in network-manager is not showind as a default route in route -n
[20:07] <BluesKaj> JuJUBee:  what does ip add give?
[20:08] <JuJUBee> lists my interfaces lo0, enp0s3, enp0s8.  enp0s3 has my lan address I assigned in nm
[20:08] <teward> JuJUBee: did you disconnect and reconnect yet with the updated profile?
[20:08] <teward> (have to ask)
[20:10] <JuJUBee> teward, I restarted network-manager and disconnected/reconnected a couple of times.  For some reason this time it worked.  Thanks for reminding me to try the simple solutions first
[20:10] <teward> JuJUBee: you're welcome :P
[20:21] <basilisko> hi
[20:22] <slavanap> Hi! What cause priority process change (nice value) over time in Ubuntu Server (16.04.5)? I haven't changed nice value for any process but for some reason /sbin/init has 19 as nice value in htop.
[20:31] <ioria> slavanap, did you check /etc/security/limits.conf ?
[20:31] <slavanap> ioria, no, what I should look for there?
[20:31] <Myros> @TJ- Device xxx already exist
[20:32] <ioria> slavanap, by default, it's all commented  :P
[20:32] <Myros> TJ- sorry for the waiting time
[20:33] <slavanap> ioria, cat /etc/security/limits.conf | grep -v ^#   <--- this returns nothing
[20:33] <ioria> slavanap, can you paste it ?
[20:40] <slavanap> ioria, paste what? all lines are commented out
[20:40] <Myros> (Myros) Hello, i'm currently in an initramfs busybox thingy shell, i cant boot. I renamed my vg, and update(d)-grub. I've edited fstab to match the new vg's name.if i try to unlock my luke_crypt partition it gives me an unknown fstype error. If i try blkid it shows me the disk. If i try cryptsetup open /... It says the device already exist. What can i do?
[20:40] <ioria> slavanap, as i said, the should be 'commented'
[20:40] <ioria> *they
[20:41] <slavanap> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sJnSQGCkwR/
[20:41] <slavanap> limits.conf
[20:42] <ioria> slavanap, ps ax -o pid,ni,cmd | head
[20:42] <slavanap> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Np4KHCSdTY/
[20:43] <Myros> Hello, i'm currently in an initramfs busybox thingy shell, i cant boot. I renamed my vg, and update(d)-grub. I've edited fstab to match the new vg's name.if i try to unlock my luke_crypt partition it gives me an unknown fstype error. If i try blkid it shows me the disk. If i try cryptsetup open /... It says the device already exist. What can i do?
[20:44] <ioria> slavanap,  well, you might have been set a script or a systemd unit  to change that
[20:46] <slavanap> ioria, but i haven't
[20:46] <slavanap> sorry, I have to disconnect for 30 minutes
[20:47] <kinghat> so i installed `apache2` awhile ago and now i want to remove it. i did `sudo apt remove apache2` and said it completed and then a bunch of stuff left for `auto-remove` but when i do `apt list --installed | grep apache*` it shows me that i have apache2 still installed.
[20:47] <kinghat> i logged out and back in but it still shows the same. not that that should do anything.
[21:00] <kinghat> these were all installed via apache? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/UdeILvkc/
[21:03] <blackflow> kinghat: no probably something else that had apache as dependency, so removing apache, removed all its rdeps
[21:03] <sayi> hi guys, can someone please help with iptable/NAT config... i have PC<-----dhcp/dns---->ubuntu-server<---static-IP--->internet-router. the PC can reach both server NICs but cannot reach the internet
[21:04] <kinghat> that makes sense blackflow. could have been leftover from removing other apps and i just never autoremoved yet i guess.
[21:05] <kinghat> so i removed `libapache2-mod-php7.2` here and it removed it but installed `php7.2-fpm`. is that normal? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kgKE2FQO/
[21:07] <blackflow> kinghat: yeah, something that uses PHP obvs needs one or the other
[21:07] <kinghat> tyvm
[21:14] <Myros> Hello, i'm currently in an initramfs busybox thingy shell, i cant boot. I renamed my vg, and update(d)-grub. I've edited fstab to match the new vg's name.if i try to unlock my luke_crypt partition it gives me an unknown fstype error. If i try blkid it shows me the disk. If i try cryptsetup open /... It says the device already exist. What can i do?
[21:41] <murthy> slow boot on ssd, I could see an error message during boot on tty, something like "giving up". I tried to see the error message with this command "journalctl -r", but I am not able to find it. I want to find the error message and solve the problem that causes the slow boot
[21:42] <blackflow> metbsd: anything in systemctl list-units --failed   ?
[21:42] <murthy> blackflow: are you asking me?
[21:43] <blackflow> murthy: yeah, sorry metbsd, mistabbed
[21:43] <murthy> blackflow: let me check
[21:44] <murthy> blackflow: I am getting the following output. "0 loaded units listed. Pass --all to see loaded but inactive units, too."
[21:45] <blackflow> murthy: how 'bout  journalctl -b -p err   ?
[21:45] <murthy> checking
[21:46] <murthy> blackflow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kTpBPGGj2b/
[21:48] <blackflow> murthy: I thought you just booted the system? that looks like it hasn't booted since april
[21:52] <blackflow> murthy: ah nvm, that's just persistent journal right? anyway nothing screams in that output. perhaps check again with -p warning   instead of -p err
[21:53] <murthy> blackflow: no, I saw that too, but I have no idea why the recent boot are not showing, but I am able to view the recent boot with -b 0
[21:53] <murthy> blackflow: checking
[21:54] <TeachMePlease> Hello guys, I've installed Ubuntu 18.04 on my laptop at sda2 partition, and I've installed OpenBSD on sda3 partition, my sda1 is a swap partition, my problem is, grub doesn't recognize OpenBSD, I edited my /etc/grub.d/40_custom adding these lines menuentry "OpenBSD" {set root=(hd0,3) chainloader +1} , but nothing worked well, Can anyone helps me ?
[21:56] <netameta> Follwoing https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/, when i do `sudo service mongod start` I get an error
[21:57] <netameta> Failed to start mongodb.service: Unit mongodb.service is masked
[21:57] <murthy> blackflow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F59n7wsntk/
[21:58] <murthy> blackflow: I think I saw these lines in the tty
[22:03] <dd> hi guys
[22:04] <dd> Can anyone help with a rookie question?
[22:05] <joey> ask the question dd
[22:06] <blackflow> murthy: that doesn't immediately look like something that would cause such problems.
[22:07] <blackflow> murthy: I mean, assuming this is significantly slowing down boot, like several seconds or more, you should be able to reboot and observe it again, and perhaps make a screenshot with your phone. apparently it didn't fail a service or get logged as an error
[22:09] <tomreyn> dd: hello there, please just ask.
[22:09] <dd> ok it is a program i installed in ubuntu called tesseract. while i use it though my terminal it works absolutely fine. But when i include it in a script which is compiled in perl. It gives an error cannot find object method via (image name).
[22:10] <tomreyn> sounds like a programming related qurestion, i suggesto you ask in #perl
[22:10] <dd> ok thankyou.
[22:12] <murthy> blackflow: I will try to find to take a snap of the error by rebooting, this time with noguiboot and nosplash grub options
[22:13] <murthy> blackflow: If that doesnt work I think I have to profile boot
[22:13] <blackflow> ah yes, there's that blame thing
[22:14] <blackflow> systemd-analyze blame
[22:16] <dd> Cannot send to nick/channel: #perl
[22:16] <dd> my messages are not getting received on channel #perl. any suggestions
[22:16] <tomreyn> !register | dd
[22:16] <tonyt> dd is your nick registered on freenode?
[22:17] <dd> not its not. I get it now
[22:17] <dd> thankyou. you guys are love
[22:17] <tomreyn> also consider installing an irc client, it'll be less burdonsome than the webchat, where even copy  + paste fails if it spans more than one line.
[22:17] <blackflow> don't use dd as your nick tho'. will be your fault when you get highlighted every time someone mentions the dd tool
[22:18] <murthy> blackflow: The top most is this "36.486s apt-daily.service" is that service starts after boot or during boot?
[22:18] <dd> ok. nice suggestion
[22:18] <blackflow> murthy: you can ignore that one, that's oneshot timer thing for apt update
[22:18] <blackflow> wouldn't hog the boot
[22:20] <murthy> blackflow: I am going for a reboot, I will see If I am able to take a snap of the error message
[22:42] <murthy> blackflow: https://imgur.com/a/9lRyTa3
[22:42] <murthy> blackflow: caught the error message
[22:43] <live_> Hi.
[22:43] <murthy> blackflow: Error message seems to be "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device"
[22:44] <murthy> blackflow: boot takes more that 40 sec
[22:44] <NorthwestVegan> hi live
[22:46] <abdomatrix> hi
[22:46] <murthy> blackflow: I think Its a issue caused by improper swap configuration
[22:47] <tomreyn> murthy: make sure /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume sets RESUME to your swap, ideally its UUID (see "sudo blkid"), and run "sudo update-inintramfs -c -k $(uname -r); sudo update-grub"
[22:47] <murthy> tomreyn: Can I disable swap?
[22:47] <abdomatrix> is that a real chat here
[22:47] <murthy> abdomatrix: yes
[22:47] <murthy> abdomatrix: ubuntu help
[22:48] <tomreyn> abdomatrix: just ubuntu *support* though
[22:48] <abdomatrix> oh first time for me to try
[22:48] <murthy> tomreyn: does ubuntu has offtopic channel?
[22:48] <tomreyn> !ot | murthy
[22:49] <abdomatrix> yes I'm using zorin os
[22:49] <murthy> abdomatrix: you could be at #ubuntu-offtopic for casual chat
[22:49] <abdomatrix> build on ubuntu 16.04 lts
[22:49] <tomreyn> abdomatrix: that's not supported here
[22:50] <tomreyn> murthy: you can "rm /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume", remove any reference to the swap partition off /etc/fstab, then "sudo update-inintramfs -c -k $(uname -r); sudo update-grub"
[22:50] <abdomatrix> can you help me with some terminals
[22:50] <murthy> tomreyn: I will try that
[22:51] <abdomatrix> i'm looking for terminal of compress with different place
[22:51] <abdomatrix> with tar or gzip
[22:52] <tomreyn> murthy: you *may* need to actually remove the swap partrition using a partition table editor.
[22:52] <tomreyn> abdomatrix: please seek support for your OS in its respoective support channels, thank you.
[22:53] <abdomatrix> tomreyn how can i find my support channel
[22:54] <tomreyn> abdomatrix: try a web search
[22:55] <tomreyn> !alis | abdomatrix
[22:55] <abdomatrix> tomreyn: thanks for your help
[22:55] <OerHeks> #ZorinOS it is
[22:55] <murthy> tomreyn: I have done what you said, before that I would like to know what process sets the resume file with the swap uuid ?
[22:55] <abdomatrix> ubottu: thanks for your help
[22:56] <murthy> tomreyn: I mean I want to know before I reboot
[22:57] <tomreyn> abdomatrix: you're welcome, and please come back with any questions should you switch to ubuntu at some point.
[22:58] <abdomatrix> i have ubuntu 18.04 lts i can switch to it
[22:59] <abdomatrix> i want to learn about linux so i'm trying some things in every distrib
[23:00] <abdomatrix> this is my first time here in zorin
[23:01] <OerHeks> abdomatrix, good luck, mind that zorinos has its own issues, we can and will not help
[23:01] <murthy> brb
[23:02] <tomreyn> murthy: in 18.04, hibernation is controlled by systemd-hibernate.service, there are a few man pages for it. it actually uses uswsusp
[23:03] <abdomatrix> i will switch to ubuntu now thanks for all
[23:04] <tomreyn> murthy: in 18.04, hibernation is controlled by systemd-hibernate.service, there are a few man pages for it. it actually uses uswsusp
[23:04] <murthy> tomreyn: your solution worked
[23:04] <tomreyn> nice
[23:05] <murthy> tomreyn: os its created once during installation?
[23:05] <tomreyn> murthy: huh?
[23:06] <murthy> tomreyn: boot time reduced from more than 45 sec to 8  sec
[23:06] <murthy> tomreyn: the resume file
[23:06] <tomreyn> i dont understand your question
[23:06] <murthy> tomreyn: the resume file with the swap parition uuid
[23:07] <tomreyn>  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume is, i think, created by the time you install, if you have swap.
[23:07] <murthy> tomreyn: by install you mean during the OS installation?
[23:08] <tomreyn> this file is read by update-initramfs when it creates the inital ramdisk
[23:08] <tomreyn> murthy: yes, by the ubuntu installer
[23:08] <maetthew> Are there not any dialog showing progress when copying files in Dolphin? Mine just kinda "hangs" until the file finishes copying.
[23:09] <murthy> tomreyn: So I can safely assume that if I create a swap partition in the future, the system wont set it as a resume device?
[23:09] <tomreyn> murthy: the initial ramdisk (initrd) is created during installation and is updated or recreated whenever there are changes impacting it, such as kernel updates.
[23:10] <tomreyn> murthy: i would think so, unless you add another RESUME= option, no attempts sould be made to restore a ram image from swap during boot.
[23:11] <murthy> tomreyn: ok
[23:11] <murthy> tomreyn: thank you very much
[23:11] <tomreyn> yw
[23:12] <murthy> tomreyn: one more thing, where is the warning/error message logged
[23:12] <tomreyn> murthy: which one?
[23:13] <murthy> tomreyn: "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device"
[23:14] <murthy> tomreyn: I saw that error message when that problem was present and I was not able to find in journalctl log
[23:14] <tomreyn> murthy: at this early boot phase /var/log is probably not writable, yet, so it will only go to dmesg
[23:15] <murthy> tomreyn: oh ok
[23:16] <murthy> tomreyn: see you later, good night
[23:16] <tomreyn> good night murthy
[23:38] <Kon_> Which packages are downloaded during installation if you check the box for "additional media formats?"
[23:56] <lucenera> I have a proble with gpg when I try to import any key: No secure key holder on which to write the keys. I can import keys only using the sudo command. Before it was not like that. What happened?
[23:58] <oddtod> hey everyone, i am trying to manage a group of servers and modify the sudoers file without changing each one individually. What is a good way to go about this? Thank you in advance for your assistance.