[01:13] <robert_ancell> mwhudson, hi
[01:13] <mwhudson> robert_ancell: hi do you know anything about src:libindicator?
[01:14] <mwhudson> robert_ancell: it is an unowned package in main, i get the feeling it shouldn't be in main
[01:14] <mwhudson> robert_ancell: but it's still used by ubiquity and libappindicator
[01:14] <robert_ancell> mwhudson, ah right. ubiquity is still using some form of Unity isn't it?
[01:15] <robert_ancell> and if that's the case then it's sadly still required until a replacement installer exists.
[01:16] <mwhudson> robert_ancell: ah hm
[01:16] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, ^ any ideas?
[01:18] <jbicha> mwhudson: it doesn't seem practical to get rid of libappindicator
[01:18] <mwhudson> jbicha: right, but does it actually use libindicator in any meaningful way?
[01:19] <jbicha> I guess I'll defer to Marco on that one since I'm not that familiar with the code
[01:20] <mwhudson> i shall go away and wait for europe to wake up then :)
[01:21] <jbicha> I'm not sure Marco uses a Europe time zone 😁
[01:21] <Trevinho> Sometimes... :)
[01:21]  * mwhudson blinks
[01:22] <jbicha> see, not a Europe time zone!!
[01:22] <Trevinho> Just because I'm testing the new bouncer provided by irccloud for doing some matrix tests, and so... xD
[01:22] <Trevinho> Anyways...
[01:23] <Trevinho> mwhudson, well libappindicator is still quite used by various applications, I don't think anything in main depends on that right now, so technically could be removed (I won't do further checks now though :-P)
[01:24] <mwhudson> Trevinho: i'm asking about libindicator, not libappindicator...
[01:24] <Trevinho> -_-
[01:24] <Trevinho> Sorry.
[01:24] <Trevinho> So... libindicator... Not really needed at all.
[01:24] <robert_ancell> mwhudson, you said libappindicator depends on libindicator right?
[01:25] <mwhudson> yes but i wonder if that can be removed
[01:25] <Trevinho> yeah it does
[01:25] <mwhudson> the dependency i mean
[01:25] <Trevinho> so libappindicator server side needs it
[01:25] <Trevinho> indicator-appindicator I mean
[01:25] <Trevinho> but not libappindicator IIRC
[01:26] <mwhudson> the code in ubiquity using it looks to me as if it won't actually do anything because no indicators are installed but i don't know how any of this works
[01:26] <Trevinho> but might be wrong actually, as I'm not touching this for quite long time TBH.
[01:27] <jbicha> 3 apps in main use libappindicator: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1062811
[01:28] <jbicha> there are also Ayatana forks (libayatana-appindicator and libayatana-indicator)
[02:01] <JanC> also remember there likely are outside applications using/expecting it...
[02:30] <mwhudson> JanC: only talking about moving from main to universe, sorry if i was unclear
[02:32] <JanC> which has implications on support for them  :)
[07:11] <didrocks> good morning
[07:32] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:47] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[09:01] <Laney> hullo
[09:04] <willcooke> morning all
[09:05] <oSoMoN> hey didrocks, Laney, willcooke
[09:05] <didrocks> hey Laney, willcooke
[09:06] <seb128> good morning desktopers, had a good w.e?
[09:07] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128
[09:09] <oSoMoN> I spent a considerable part of the w-e eating calçots (with lots of meat and wine too), that was good
[09:09] <seb128> haha
[09:09] <oSoMoN> how was yours?
[09:10] <seb128> good but a bit too busy, I feel exhausted
[09:12] <seb128> swimming pool, helped friends assembling furniture, a dinner and a lunch at friends places
[09:12] <seb128> so we didn't really sit down or relax at all
[09:15] <oSoMoN> now you have one full week before FOSDEM to sit down and relax :)
[09:15] <seb128> haha, right, fosdem, I need some energy before going there :)
[09:33] <alan_g> I've been experimenting with using snapcraft-desktop-helpers to run snapped GTK apps with Mir and found that gnome-3-28-1804 is only arm64/i386 (as compared to gtk-common-themes which covers other architectures). Is there a reason for this limitation? Should I be using something else?
[09:36] <seb128> alan_g, hey, I'm unsure if we gave much consideration for that but other arches have problem close from 0 desktop/snap users and it's a maintainance cost to add archs, especially when you don't have access to those for testing/Debugging
[09:38] <seb128> alan_g, what other arch would you need? is that customer driven?
[09:39] <alan_g> I understand that. At the moment I'm just trying to get a consistent story - it is easy to snap Qt & SDL2 apps to use with, for example, mir-kiosk. But GTK3+ is a PITA.
[09:49] <willcooke> alan_g, are you saying amd64 is missing?
[09:52] <alan_g> willcooke, no I meant amd64/i386.
[09:53] <alan_g> arm64, armhf etc are where I encountered problems
[10:05] <seb128> alan_g, what's the issue with gtk apps?
[10:05] <seb128> or do you mean gtk on non-desktop-stndard arches?
[10:16] <alan_g> seb128, there's a whole load of "stuff" they need help to find in a confined snap (adding it to the snap, setting environment variables, etc.).
[10:18] <alan_g> And yes, I'm looking cross-architecture.
[10:22] <alan_g> But I think I can avoid needing gnome-3-28-1804 (that seems to have been a side-effect of stuff I cut & paste to get a PoC working).
[11:21] <andyrock> morning all!
[11:26] <oSoMoN> hey andyrock
[11:40] <seb128> hey andyrock! how are you? had a good w.e?
[11:41] <seb128> alan_g, right, you can probably do without the platform is all you are interested in is gtk, you can use the desktop launcher and bundle gtk easily
[11:41] <andyrock> hey seb128! yeah, mostly visiting museums :D what about you?
[11:41] <seb128> andyrock, went swimming, assembled some furniture and had 1 dinner and 1 lunch with friends
[11:59] <Laney> moin andyrock
[13:51] <clobrano> good afternoon everyone o/
[14:08] <Laney> hey clobrano
[14:10] <seb128> hey clobrano, how are you?
[14:25] <clobrano> hey Laney , seb128 ,  I'm doing fine, and you?
[14:25] <seb128> I'm good!
[14:25] <clobrano> a bit of a mess at work, since we're moving to another building, but it's fine :D
[16:03] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: i've published gnome-3-28-1804 with gtk3-locales to stable
[16:03] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: in case you have any snaps you'd like to utilize it with
[16:03] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: ever consider using the content snap for chromium?
[16:29] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, nice, thanks
[16:29] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, it'll automatically do when we start building with the gnome extension
[17:26] <Laney> Testsuite summary for gnome-keyring 3.28.0.1
[17:26] <Laney> # FAIL:  0
[17:26] <Laney> # ERROR:  0
[17:26]  * Laney sweats
[17:27] <Trevinho> 💃
[17:29] <Laney> not massively sure about this though
[17:29]  * Laney ploughs on
[17:30] <Trevinho> laney's diff:
[17:30] <Trevinho> --- test_this_that_fails ();
[17:30] <Trevinho> +++ /* test_this_that_fails (); */
[17:31] <Laney> 😭😭😭😭😭😭 how can you see my screen
[17:31] <Trevinho> Ahaha, you know... That day you let me in via SSH....
[18:21] <willcooke> cubs tonight, cya tomrrow
[20:21] <Trevinho>  /go
[20:49] <oSoMoN> good night all