| rbasak | o/ | 19:00 |
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| rbasak | Who's here? | 19:00 |
| rharper | o/ | 19:00 |
| tsimonq2 | Heya. | 19:01 |
| slashd | o/ | 19:01 |
| cyphermox | o/ | 19:02 |
| rbasak | We have quorum! | 19:02 |
| rbasak | Any chair volunteers? | 19:02 |
| tsimonq2 | Sure. | 19:02 |
| tsimonq2 | #startmeeting Ubuntu Developer Membership Board | 19:02 |
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| blackboxsw | \0 | 19:03 |
| slashd | I'll chair the next one | 19:03 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Review of previous action items | 19:03 |
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| tsimonq2 | #subtopic cyphermox to handle the recent three packageset requests | 19:03 |
| cyphermox | *not* all done, sorry. | 19:03 |
| tsimonq2 | Alright, we'll carry the agenda item. | 19:03 |
| cyphermox | some of this is dependent on seed changes that the requesters should do beforehand, I need to get back to them | 19:03 |
| cyphermox | (and making sense of all the changes, there's a fair amount) | 19:04 |
| tsimonq2 | Sure, thanks. | 19:04 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications | 19:04 |
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| tsimonq2 | #subtopic Ryan Harper application for PPU | 19:04 |
| tsimonq2 | rharper: Hello! | 19:05 |
| rharper | tsimonq2: Hi! | 19:05 |
| tsimonq2 | Could you introduce yourself? | 19:05 |
| rharper | sure, I'm Ryan Harper; I work for Canonical, on the Ubuntu Server team, since Oct 2013; I've been using Ubuntu since oh, say, Breezy | 19:06 |
| tsimonq2 | Cool :) | 19:06 |
| tsimonq2 | For reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanHarper/DeveloperApplicationPPU | 19:06 |
| tsimonq2 | Does anyone have any questions for rharper? | 19:06 |
| rharper | cd installs to make my ThinkPad actually work well. I've been in Open Source for about 20 years or so; I've lots of experience with kernel, virtualization, servers, embedded systems, and at Canonical mostly focused on storage, networking, and cloud-init as well | 19:07 |
| jbicha | o/ | 19:07 |
| rbasak | I guess we should ask the usual questions then? | 19:09 |
| slashd | rharper, I didn't look in lp do you have any upload right atm ? | 19:09 |
| rharper | slashd: no, I do not have any upload rights at this time | 19:09 |
| rharper | PPAs don't count, I think for your question | 19:09 |
| slashd | rharper, right was talking about the ubuntu archive | 19:10 |
| rharper | yes, no upload rights to the archive | 19:10 |
| slashd | rharper, where would you look if a package you have uploaded get stuck in -proposed to find the reason why it is stuck ? | 19:11 |
| tsimonq2 | rharper: Let's say either of these two packages are stuck in the -proposed pocket of the development release. What would you look at to see why that is the case? | 19:11 |
| tsimonq2 | slashd: Jinx. | 19:11 |
| tsimonq2 | (It's the same question.) | 19:11 |
| slashd | tsimonq2, lol | 19:11 |
| sarnold | lol | 19:12 |
| rharper | I would look in the queue for the various releases, (upload queue) | 19:12 |
| slashd | but let's say the package has been approve and build in -proposed (the package at this point is no longer in the upload queue) | 19:12 |
| slashd | but didn't get release in -updates after a while | 19:12 |
| slashd | where would you look to see what's going on with that package and see why it is not release yet | 19:13 |
| rharper | for SRUs, I track a release in a bug which has links to the various bugs that all need verified before it can be released | 19:14 |
| rharper | This page tracks which packages have pending srus; http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html | 19:15 |
| slashd | rharper, yep that's the answer I was looking for tks | 19:15 |
| rharper | ok, for our projects, cloud-init/curtin we have an exception which has us track all of the bugs our upload will fix, and run verification on all of those; so we're the ones doing most of the testing | 19:16 |
| rbasak | rharper: what about for the development release? | 19:17 |
| rharper | rbasak: well, SRU's aren't for the development release; | 19:17 |
| rbasak | No, I mean non-SRUs | 19:18 |
| rbasak | When you upload to the development release. | 19:18 |
| rbasak | Say for example you upload a new cloud-init to Disco, and you see something like this (but for cloud-init): https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libphp%2Dphpmailer | 19:18 |
| jbicha | rharper: cloud-init was uploaded to disco on Saturday. Where would you check to find out why it isn't in disco yet (but only in disco-proposed)? | 19:19 |
| rbasak | In this example you'll have just uploaded 6.0.6-0.1. | 19:19 |
| rbasak | What would you do next? | 19:19 |
| rharper | rbasak: for devel uploads, i'd check to see if the package failed to build, http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/ | 19:21 |
| rbasak | rharper: let's say it doesn't appear there. What next? | 19:22 |
| rharper | there may be a dependency that hasn't landed yet, | 19:23 |
| rharper | that is, something else may be holding up other packages from going into the archive; In the absense of information, I'd likely head to #ubuntu-release and ask for some help | 19:26 |
| tsimonq2 | That could be correct, but how do you confirm that? | 19:26 |
| cyphermox | rharper: do you know where the migration report lives? | 19:28 |
| cyphermox | tsimonq2: rbasak: I think we would do well to be clearer with our questions so that what we're looking for isn't ambiguous | 19:28 |
| rharper | cyphermox: no, I've not seen that URL | 19:28 |
| cyphermox | ack | 19:29 |
| slashd | rharper, one last question for me ... talking about devel release ... when should you stop introducing new features for let's say 'cloud-init' (for the current devel cycle) ? | 19:29 |
| cyphermox | rharper: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration | 19:29 |
| rharper | slashd: each ubuntu cycle has a FeatureFreeze date set by the release schedule; ideally we'll need to have landed all of those features before that date; otherwise we need FeatureFreeze Exceptions | 19:30 |
| slashd | rharper, tks | 19:31 |
| jbicha | rharper: are you familiar with the term NBS? | 19:31 |
| rharper | cyphermox: thx | 19:31 |
| rharper | jbicha: no, I've not seen that | 19:31 |
| jbicha | rharper: the term comes from Debian and means "no longer built from source". See https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html | 19:32 |
| jbicha | in this case, netplan.io has stopped building its nplan transitional package but cloud-init still depends on that package name | 19:32 |
| rharper | jbicha: interesting; yes we'll need disco to use the new name in the disco archive, we'll maintain the older deps in a our per-release branches ; | 19:34 |
| jbicha | I don't think you're going to need that page very often; it's very specific to a particular kind of archive maintenance work | 19:34 |
| jbicha | it's not required for this application at all, I was just mentioning it as something your team can follow up on later | 19:34 |
| cyphermox | it's also something that shows up elsewhere | 19:34 |
| cyphermox | (in other reports) | 19:34 |
| rharper | jbicha: indeed | 19:35 |
| jbicha | I don't have any other questions today 😊 | 19:35 |
| blackboxsw | rharper: from my end, both cloud-init and curtin projects have a number of tools and scripts to streamline our release process. What do you feel could use more improvement to ensure quality or ease of release for the SRU verification process? | 19:35 |
| rharper | blackboxsw: I think our biggest challenge is regression detection; cloud-init runs in so many places, and we have to deal with upgrades and new instances; it's quite hard to ensure we've got as much coverage as possible; We've got on our list (with partners) to enable more CI on target platforms; which will help raise confidence that releasing things won't break customers | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | Any other questions or are we ready to vote? | 19:38 |
| jbicha | cloud-init is one of my favorite things made by Canonical :) | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | ^ | 19:39 |
| cyphermox | ready to vote. | 19:39 |
| slashd | tsimonq2, I'm good to vote | 19:39 |
| tsimonq2 | #vote rharper PPU for cloud-init, curtin | 19:40 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: rharper PPU for cloud-init, curtin | 19:40 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 19:40 |
| jbicha | +1 | 19:40 |
| meetingology | +1 received from jbicha | 19:40 |
| tsimonq2 | +1 | 19:40 |
| meetingology | +1 received from tsimonq2 | 19:40 |
| slashd | +1 | 19:41 |
| meetingology | +1 received from slashd | 19:41 |
| cyphermox | +1 | 19:41 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cyphermox | 19:41 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak? | 19:42 |
| rbasak | +0 rharper is on my team at Canonical, so my usual (personal) policy applies: I abstain unless everyone else present is unanimously +1 and my vote is required for quorum or some other procedural issue. | 19:42 |
| meetingology | +0 rharper is on my team at Canonical, so my usual (personal) policy applies: I abstain unless everyone else present is unanimously +1 and my vote is required for quorum or some other procedural issue. received from rbasak | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | ah | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | #endvote | 19:42 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: rharper PPU for cloud-init, curtin | 19:42 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 19:42 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:42 |
| rbasak | rharper: congratulations! | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | rharper: Congratulations. :) | 19:42 |
| slashd | Congrats rharper | 19:42 |
| blackboxsw | woot! | 19:42 |
| rharper | \o/ | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | Anyone want to volunteer to handle ACLs? | 19:43 |
| slashd | tsimonq2, I'll do it | 19:43 |
| * blackboxsw is greatful for the help rharper can now provide | 19:43 | |
| tsimonq2 | Alright, cool. | 19:43 |
| sarnold | rharper: congratulations :) | 19:43 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic AOB | 19:43 |
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| blackboxsw | *grateful | 19:43 |
| tsimonq2 | Anything else, folks? | 19:43 |
| rharper | sarnold: thanks! | 19:43 |
| rbasak | tsimonq2: could you assign actions for slashd please, so we can track it? | 19:43 |
| rbasak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Actions_after_a_successful_applications | 19:43 |
| rbasak | calls for two actions | 19:44 |
| rbasak | slashd: and that link has instructions for you too | 19:44 |
| slashd | rbasak, I appreciate it | 19:44 |
| tsimonq2 | rbasak: Oh, sure. | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | #action slashd to handle ACLs for rharper's PPU application | 19:45 |
| meetingology | ACTION: slashd to handle ACLs for rharper's PPU application | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | #action slashd to announce rharper's successful application | 19:45 |
| meetingology | ACTION: slashd to announce rharper's successful application | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | Alright, anything else? | 19:46 |
| rbasak | Thanks! | 19:46 |
| rbasak | There was a suggestion to better document what we expect applicants to know. | 19:46 |
| tsimonq2 | #action tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know | 19:47 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know | 19:47 |
| rbasak | Thanks :) | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | So we have it for the record. :) | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | #endmeeting | 19:47 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Jan 28 19:47:23 2019 UTC. | 19:47 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-01-28-19.02.moin.txt | 19:47 |
| rbasak | tsimonq2: thank you for chairing! | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | Thanks everyone! | 19:47 |
| cyphermox | ta tsimonq2 | 19:48 |
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