[00:00] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: thanks
[00:01] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: Also, since Ubuntu Studio isn't meant to be run in a VM (the apps are a little resource heavy), we did actual testing on bare metal.
[00:02] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: doesn't studdio also default to the low latency kernel?
[00:02] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: Yes, another reason it's not meant for VMs.
[00:03] <tomreyn> right
[00:31] <Bashing-om> Bilbo0: Back, awaiting the results of tomreyn's request.
[00:41] <sabrehagen> Using any automation tool (automux, tmuxinator, etc) my sessions start corrupted. https://i.imgur.com/tIlXx1J.png It seems some characters in the sendkeys input generated by these tools are being mis-interpreted. Has anyone seen this before?
[01:29] <petro> hi, can someone help?  my hdd shows 1 bad sector
[01:30] <petro> I had an issue accessing some data - which test should I run?
[01:30] <leftyfb> petro: shut the computer off. Buy a new hard drive and restore from backup.
[01:32] <petro> it's a 1tb external drive with data
[01:32] <petro> do you think it's failing?
[01:32] <leftyfb> "<petro> hi, can someone help?  my hdd shows 1 bad sector"
[01:32] <leftyfb> petro: if you care about the data, get a new drive and restore from backup
[01:33] <petro> gnome drives - has three tests, short, extended and conveyance - I don't know what those are
[01:33] <petro> it's just data - what do you mean 'restore from backup?'
[01:34] <petro> I have a drive I can use - how do I copy /back it up to the new drive?
[01:34] <petro> should i stop using the drive with the bad sector?
[01:34] <blackflow> with something like rsync
[01:35] <petro> does anyone know how to read the smart tests?
[01:35] <leftyfb> petro: you should restore from the backup you have of that drive.
[01:35] <blackflow> I don't think 1 bad sector is cause for such a radical reaction. disks rellocate bad sectors. though when they start cropping up, it's usually a sign worse things might happen in the near future.
[01:36] <leftyfb> ^ that last part
[01:36] <leftyfb> it's not worth the risk
[01:36] <blackflow> depends on the setup
[01:37] <leftyfb> For someone that has no concept of backups, replacing a failing drive is pretty important
[01:37] <petro> blackflow, but, I think something is seriously wrong
[01:37] <petro> the smart test result looks worrisome
[01:37] <petro> and one video - I have - it won't play properly now
[01:37] <blackflow> well you could pastebin the output of smartctl -a
[01:38] <petro> I want to back up the drive - I just haven't before - this drive was really reliable before - I guess I screwed up not backing it up yet
[01:38] <blackflow> then you could run fsck. and there's `badblocks` command (just don't run it with -w, that will eat your data)
[01:38] <blackflow> petro: you know what they say: data with no backup is worthless :)
[01:38] <petro> right :(
[01:39] <leftyfb> I wouldn't do any of that ^^^^
[01:39] <petro> I have to install smart tools
[01:39] <petro> smartmontools
[01:39] <leftyfb> the more you access this drive, especially with fsck, the more damage it causes
[01:40] <hggdh> ^ +1
[01:40] <petro> what do I use to configure?
[01:40] <leftyfb> You already know it's failing. You already know it needs to be replaced. Messing with it more at this point is just begging for more data loss.
[01:40] <petro> is there something else I can use to pastebin for you?   I have no idea how to configure this software
[01:41] <leftyfb> petro: get another drive, boot ubuntu either from the drive or usb and make an image of the other drive using dd rescue. Then mount fsck that image and copy what you need from it using rsync
[01:41] <leftyfb> *mount AND fsck
[01:41] <leftyfb> sorry, not mount, run fsck, then mount, then copy
[01:43] <leftyfb> petro: while you're picking up a drive, buy a 2nd one for backups. Or sign up for one of the online services like crashplan
[01:44] <Vic2> Simple question ... in 18.04 what is the procedure to change the name server to resolve with?  Can I directly edit /etc/resolv.conf or must I do something else?
[01:45] <leftyfb> Vic2: server or desktop?
[01:47] <Vic2> leftyfb server
[01:47] <leftyfb> then yes
[01:47] <petro> sudo smartctl -H /dev/sda
[01:47] <petro> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[01:47] <petro> is that a good sign at least?
[01:48] <petro> I have a 1tb hdd that I haven't used yet - I should have been backing up on it
[01:48] <leftyfb> Vic2: actually, no. I might be wrong. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-set-dns-nameservers-in-ubuntu-server-18-04/
[01:48] <Vic2> leftydb ... odd then ... tech support put a server in and it seems the os took it out ... what is the syntax?
[01:48] <petro> can anyone help with this?  tomorrow?
[01:48] <leftyfb> petro: I gave you the steps you should be following
[01:49] <Vic2> ok leftydb, lemme read. :)
[01:51] <Vic2> leftydb Ugh!  Why oh why did they change to netplan? :(
[01:53] <leftyfb> Vic2: removing netplan.io and going back to ifupdown is just another google away
[01:53] <Bilbo0> Bashing-om: Are you still on?
[01:54] <Bilbo0> Bashing-om: tomreyn https://pastebin.com/iHRGCExS
[01:54] <Bashing-om> Bilbo0: Looking.
[01:54] <petro> blackflow, can you help?  Are you able to interpret smart data?
[01:54] <petro> I was able to get output
[01:55] <leftyfb> petro: you really don't want to listen do you?
[01:55] <Bilbo0> Bashing-om: That aside, you seemed to have had some other thoughts regarding my driver, care to share?
[01:57] <Vic2> leftydb .. the sysadmin did that!!!! Now how do I do this with ifupdown? :)
[01:57] <blackflow> petro: link?
[01:58] <leftyfb> Vic2: the sysadmin did what?
[02:00] <Bashing-om> Bilbo0: Sure, my thought is to get this system updated, make sure the package manager is consistent, purge the present nvidia driver., and install the 396 version driver from our PPA.
[02:00] <petro> blackflow, https://pastebin.com/RLD5NiHp
[02:01] <petro> I work early tomorrow so I will have to resume this project tomorrow - but, is it safe to turn off the drive and not use it for now?
[02:01] <petro> I need to learn how to backup :-/   rsync or ddrescue?
[02:02] <Bilbo0> Bashing-om: I remember you saying 410 was recommended
[02:02] <Vic2> leftydb went back to ifupdown ... found an article ... any recommendations of nameservers?  Google?  What would the IP be (I know not in the scope of this chat - sorry)
[02:02] <leftyfb> Vic2: 1.1.1.1
[02:02] <Bilbo0> Bashing-om: And how much do I have to fear of my kernel and my driver not matching and thus my PC not loading?
[02:03] <leftyfb> Vic2: unless you need local dns resolution, then you should be using whatever local dns server you've got on the network, preferably with dns forwarding to the outside
[02:05] <blackflow> petro: the only thing that output shows is that you have 1 pending sector -- meaning it will be reallocated the next time the write on it fails
[02:05] <petro> should I run the extended test or is that too much ?
[02:05] <blackflow> petro: but that's one OLD drive so yeah, definitely start looking for a replacement
[02:05] <petro> blackflow, what does that mean?
[02:05] <Vic2> leftyfb ... makes sense.  the isp said that the 'funky nameserver setup' wasn't working, so trying to get it up until someone qualified can actually look at it. :p
[02:05] <petro> is it ready to fail?
[02:06] <leftyfb> petro: YES!
[02:06] <petro> yeah, I have a Seagate that's a bit newer than it but not the newest one out there.... I was going to use it as backup....what do you think?
[02:06] <petro> 1 pending sector - means it is going to fail soon?
[02:06] <blackflow> no way to know
[02:06] <Bashing-om> Bilbo0: 410 is what nvidia recommends - but in xenial (16.04) 396 is the best we can do. I do expect it will work,
[02:07] <blackflow> I have a 3 year old drive with 82 reallocated sectors, in a mirror setup, and it's still chugging along fine
[02:07] <petro> if i create a backup image - can I fix this problem?
[02:07] <petro> should I use ddrescue?
[02:07] <leftyfb> petro: why do you keep asking questions I already answered for you and completely ignoring everything I tell you?
[02:07] <petro> I haven't had a problem until tonight - was watching a movie and it stopped 1/4 way through.... then I had error msgs after I rebooted my machine - the hdd is in an enclosure
[02:08] <Bilbo0> Bashing-om: OK but what about the kernel drjver matchup thing? I don't want a repeat of where the OS won't boot again after my last kernel update
[02:08] <petro> leftyfb, you're too confusing
[02:08] <petro> I know ddrescue is what to use, though
[02:09] <leftyfb> petro: so ask for clarification, don't completely ignore and ask all the same questions I answered
[02:09] <petro> leftyfb, my ubuntu OS is not the failing drive -does that change your answer at all?
[02:10] <blackflow> petro: just back up the data at your earliest convenience, it's that simple
[02:10] <petro> It's a HDD in an enclosure - ext4 - 1tb drive - 800gb of data or so
[02:10] <Bashing-om> Bilbo0: Presenly you are running with security issues as you have not updated the system - showing 59 updates availabale .. and the biggy is Xorg. see ' man xorg ' and you will agree the updates for your system are needed.
[02:10] <leftyfb> petro: dd rescue will make an image file of your drive. So the drive where you save this needs to be slightly bigger than the drive you're backing up. Use this to create your image. The package gddrescue has a nice GUI if the terminal scares you.
[02:10] <petro> back up the data, how?   I do appreciate leftfb offering steps... that is what I am looking for
[02:11] <petro> but, I want it to be easy/understandable :)
[02:11] <leftyfb> petro: once that's done, you can try running fsck -y -f on the image file you created
[02:11] <leftyfb> petro: then mount the image with: sudo mount -o loop /path/to/image/file /mnt/
[02:11] <leftyfb> petro: then use rsync to copy data from it to your new drive
[02:12] <petro> my other HDD - I have that is free - is the same size, though
[02:12] <petro> will it work?
[02:12] <leftyfb> petro: I would buy another drive
[02:13] <leftyfb> petro: and "same size" might not actually be the same size like you assume
[02:13] <petro> even if the data is less than 1tb?
[02:13] <petro> the capacity matters?
[02:13] <leftyfb> yes
[02:16] <Deihmos> what file system should be used on a usb drive? turns out ntfs has high cpu use
[02:16] <leftyfb> Deihmos: depends on your needs
[02:16] <Deihmos> i use the drive to store movies and tv shows
[02:17] <Bilbo0> Bashing-om: But none of them are security updates. I read the man xorg, well glanced through it, I don't understand what it actually does, but what does it have to do with kernels and drivers anyway?
[02:17] <leftyfb> Deihmos: does it need to be read by Windows or OSX?
[02:17] <Bilbo0> also it doesnt show me 59 updates
[02:17] <Deihmos> over samba
[02:17] <Deihmos> not directly
[02:17] <leftyfb> Deihmos: then ext4 is fine
[02:18] <Bilbo0> 32fat should be fine
[02:18] <Bilbo0> Unless you are using it for Linux itself
[02:18] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: not if the drive is larger than 2TB or you need to copy files to it larger than 4G. It's also slower than NTFS
[02:19] <petro> so, I should buy a new hdd - one that is bigger - so over 1tb?
[02:19] <leftyfb> petro: yes, as I already told you
[02:20] <Bashing-om> Bilbo0: "59 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." .. Xorg is what the GUI runs under.
[02:20] <Bilbo0> leftyfb: I thought we were talking about a usb flash drive.
[02:21] <leftyfb> Bilbo0: I wouldn't assume someone is using a usb flash drive to share files over SMB on linux. Though I could be wrong. But I hope not.
[02:22] <Deihmos> Drive is 8TB
[02:22] <leftyfb> then it's not a usb flash drive. And fat32 won't work
[02:22] <Bilbo0> right right, my mistake
[02:22] <Deihmos> Problem now is how the hell am I going to back it up
[02:23] <leftyfb> Deihmos: get another 8TB and RAID1 or RAID 10 or 5
[02:23] <leftyfb> Deihmos: or get a larger drive/NAS to back it up to
[02:24] <Deihmos> Maybe I can create an ext4 partition then move the files then resize
[02:24] <Deihmos> I wonder if that will work
[02:24] <leftyfb> it should
[02:24] <leftyfb> though dangerous
[02:26] <Railalis> Hey I have some audio troubles. I am doing the dumb thing of trying to build up my DE from a base ubuntu install up. I installed asla-base and pulseaudio via apt but pulse cna't see all of my devices..
[02:27] <Railalis> there a collection of packages that I can grab or some config files I can look at?
[02:28] <reddaj> hello :)
[02:28] <Railalis> o/
[02:30] <reddaj> what do you usually do when you have a package that is blocking other apps to be installed?
[02:32] <Railalis> you wait for it to finish
[02:32] <Railalis> or kill it if you think something is wrong
[02:33] <Railalis> if you want to install multiple things, you can chain them with spaces
[02:33] <Railalis> ie apt install vi mpd mpc tmux etc.
[02:33] <reddaj> ok you answer was correctly but my question was not the best to explain my problem
[02:34] <reddaj> in short, java is working on my ubuntu machine but i have problem to install other software due java
[02:34] <Railalis> java is trying to update and thus locking you out?
[02:35] <leftyfb> reddaj: please pastebin what you are trying to do with the errors you are getting
[02:35] <reddaj> ok let me do it
[02:35] <ash_foxie> quick question, in mint you could download all the wallpapers with the package mint-backgrounds-*. does anyone know where i can download those images for use in ubuntu?
[02:41] <reddaj> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bV6QXyPVJ6/
[02:41] <robertparkerx> how do you remove ownership of a path
[02:41] <ash_foxie> i think i found what i was looking for. thanks anyone that read my last message
[02:41] <Railalis> glad you solved it ash
[02:42] <SlidingHorn> ash_foxie: for future reference, this isn't the place to ask about Mint.  They have their own support channel
[02:42] <SlidingHorn> !mint
[02:42] <Railalis> it really wasn't a mint quesiton
[02:42] <robertparkerx> chown name file - for example
[02:42] <SlidingHorn> it absolutely was a mint question. "in mint... package mint-backgrounds.."
[02:43] <Railalis> "in mint I can' do this, how do in ubuntu"
[02:43] <blackflow> indeed.
[02:44] <Railalis> doesn't every file need to have an owner?
[02:45] <blackflow> it does. you can't remove ownership, only change it. chown does it. you need to be root to change ownership.
[02:45] <wyre> hi guys, I'm having issues with stdin, it seems unavailable to java
[02:45] <wyre> ideas?
[02:46] <robertparkerx> blackflow, thanks. I just changed it back to root.
[02:47] <Railalis> yeah.. having devices not listed in pavucontrol but in aplay -l
[02:47] <Railalis> hmm
[02:48] <wyre> how can I check if stdio is available?
[02:48] <tona> hello everyone, I am not able to send one email from my console in ubuntu, using mail <myemail>, I am wondering how could i configure it
[02:48] <blackflow> wyre: stdio or stdin
[02:48] <wyre> blackflow, well the issue is with stdin
[02:48] <Railalis> it's been forever since I touched email..
[02:49] <blackflow> wyre: what makes you think there's no stdin? every process has it, the question is only what the program does about it
[02:49] <blackflow> tona: what's the error you get?
[02:50] <wyre> blackflow, java is having issues when I run my .jar binaries with stdin
[02:50] <Guest41000> Having a really strange issue installing that I can't seem to find anyone else expereincing. Is this the right place to ask?
[02:50] <blackflow> wyre: not sure I understand. can you give an example command you're trying?
[02:50] <tona> i type mail and after  type the last email , This is the mail system at host  not found, I am wondring what should i configure in order to use mail command
[02:51] <blackflow> Guest41000: if it's about Ubuntu, then yeah
[02:51] <wyre> blackflow, I've talking with spigot devs about an error that I gives when I start spigot (minecraft server) about stdin
[02:51] <wyre> and then I cannot use server console
[02:52] <wyre> (about or related with how java handles stdin)
[02:52] <Guest41000> So I've got a razer blade stealth. Previously was running fedora. Installed ubuntu. Installer crashed during installation, after formatting my disk. NOw when I try to use the live cd to install, the desktop environment constantly crashes
[02:52] <blackflow> wyre: that's specific to that program. on linux, every process has the stdin fd. what the program does with it, is that program's problem.
[02:52] <blackflow> tona: can you pastebin the full example and output?
[02:53] <blackflow> tona: but in short, iirc mail requires local sendmail binary and an MTA running, on ubuntu that should pull in and set up postfix
[02:53] <wyre> blackflow, according to Spigot devs ... is not a Spigot issue
[02:53] <wyre> it is a problem between java and OS
[02:53] <wyre> and I think the same
[02:53] <blackflow> right. it's a problem between java.
[02:54] <wyre> https://bpaste.net/show/fdc311537a5e
[02:54] <blackflow> so I take it the sigTERM experiment failed?
[02:54] <wyre> that's the output
[02:54] <guiverc> Guest41000, did you verify the ISO download? (md5sum, sha..) & then verified install media (when you see person-circle+keyboard you hit space/key & you'll see a menu allowing verifiction of install-media) - also telling us release is helpful (ie. what you see varies on release/version/flavor)
[02:54] <tona> blackflow, I am not able to paste since it is in another computer, it only has console :(
[02:54] <wyre> blackflow, sigTERM?
[02:54] <wyre> I don't get you
[02:54] <tona>  Host or domain name not found. Name service error, this is the error , there are many lines like this one
[02:55] <blackflow> wyre: oh sorry, did I confuse you with someone else who was trying to set up that as a service through screen yesterday?
[02:55] <Guest41000> Tried 3 different installers: Kubuntu 18.10, Kubuntu 18.04, and Ubuntu 18.10), Yes on verification
[02:55] <tona> blackflow, how could i configure it ?
[02:55] <wyre> blackflow, np :-)
[02:55] <blackflow> wyre: sorry. anyway that totally looks like a java problem
[02:55] <blackflow> like a #java problem, to be precise :)
[02:56] <wyre> blackflow, cannot I reinstall java in here?
[02:56] <wyre> or reconfigure it?
[02:56] <wyre> or try oracle jrm?
[02:56] <wyre> (instead of openjdk, I mean)
[02:56] <blackflow> tona: is that `mail` from mailutils?
[02:57] <blackflow> wyre: I wouldn't know what causes that issue. I'd start by asking more knowledgeable java people in #java
[02:57] <Guest41000> blackflow, also just double checked the shasums, they match
[02:57] <Bashing-om> wyre: recomfigure: there is ' sudo update-alternatives --config java ' . Might help ??
[02:58] <wyre> Bashing-om, let's try
[02:58] <tona> yes blackflow
[03:01] <blackflow> tona: so installing mailutils should've installed postfix, and `mail` should be using it to send mail. I'd ask you to pastebin the postfix logs at /var/log/mail.log. you can run for example `tail -n 20 /var/log/mail.log | nc termbin.com 9999`   and post here the URL you get. Just check first if that file exists, I tend to confuse maillog filenames across distros
[03:01] <tona> blackflow, I type /var/log/mail.err, and I got this , sSMTP[]: Unable to locate mail Cannot open mail:25
[03:01] <Guest41000> Blackflow, just booted PartedMagic, not even seeing my disk anymore. As best I can tell the ubuntu installer really screwed it up. Any ideas?
[03:02] <blackflow> Guest41000: sorry none at this moment, and I can't get into your problem now, I have to scram soon
[03:02] <Guest41000> All good. Thanks anyway
[03:03] <Railalis> got it
[03:03] <Railalis> had to purge pulseaudio, then reinstall it
[03:03] <Railalis> not sure why this worked this time
[03:04] <Bashing-om> Guest41000:  "sudo wipefs /dev/sda". Note that you should not just trust me that that command is safe (even though it is), you should run "man wipefs" and confirm for yourself that the command will just list all visible filesystems.
[03:05] <Guest41000> yeah I can't get a shell anywhere
[03:05] <Guest41000> Gnome crashes when I try to open one
[03:07] <blackflow> tona: oh wait, is that ssmtp you've got there?
[03:07] <Railalis> try tty 1?
[03:08] <Guest41000> Bashing-om, shell on PartedMagic worked, just seeing one DOS partition
[03:09] <blackflow> tona: sorry I have to leave now. if you have ssmtp there, and that error log suggests you might be, then you need to set up ssmtp for an upstream MTA likely with valid authentication. perhaps someone else can help with details, I really have to vanish now.
[03:13] <Railalis> I'd just like to say... that fact that nier automata runs on linux out of the box on steam is kinda BA
[03:14] <Bashing-om> Guest41000: Just a thouhgt. Gentoo uses LVM and maybe something in the partition table is messing with installing a non LVM system ?
[03:16] <Guest41000> Bashing-om Wasn't using LVM, but was trying to set up LVM so my disk would be encrpted
[03:17] <Bitbadger> Hi all - I need serious help. Im trying to recover a encrypted home drive on a mounted luks drive. I have my passphase but i have not written but i dont have my mount password - does anyone out there have any experience with this?
[03:19] <Bitbadger> I will give a reward to anyone that can help with this
[03:28] <zap0> anyone know how to make a deb?
[03:29] <guiverc> zap0, http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html    but you might want to be more specific
[03:30] <zap0> i have a directory and executable (i built) and a few subfolders/media files.     i want to put them all together so someone can "install" it?
[03:30] <ash_foxie> sort of expecting to be told to go somewhere else but can anyone assist me with installing an icon theme? specifically the variations of mint-y
[03:31] <ash_foxie> zap0 you could archive it into a tar.xz file or something and have a file in there that tells the user what command to run in order to run the install script
[03:37] <guiverc> zap0, other alternatives (if open-source) is PPA
[03:38] <Bitbadger> Hi all - I need serious help. Im trying to recover a encrypted home drive on a mounted luks drive. I have my passphase but i have not written but i dont have my mount password - does anyone out there have any experience with this?
[03:38] <guiverc> zap0, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1345/what-is-the-simplest-debian-packaging-guide  maybe useful..
[03:42] <zap0> that seems quite good.
[03:55] <Bilbo0> bashing-om are you there?
[03:56] <Bilbo0> Anyone on who can answer a few questions about geforce graphic drivers and kernels?
[03:58] <leftyfb> Bitbadger: if you forgot your encrypted password, there's nothing that can be done
[03:59] <Bitbadger> @leftyfb i have my encrypted password but i dont have my mount pw
[03:59] <leftyfb> Bitbadger: that is an encrypted password. You are out of luck
[04:02] <Bitbadger> @leftryfb its not true - i just figured it out
[04:02] <Bitbadger> and found the mount key
[04:03] <Bitbadger> after 3 days of solid figuring out
[04:03] <Bitbadger> thx anyway
[04:03] <leftyfb> Bitbadger: you never mentioned you had a "mount key"
[04:03] <Bitbadger> i dont have the mount key
[04:03] <Bitbadger> i had lost it
[04:04] <Bitbadger> but i found out a way to recover it
[04:04] <Bitbadger> took me days
[04:04] <Bitbadger> jesus im so pleased right now
[04:04] <leftyfb> Bitbadger: how were you able to recover a mount key?
[04:06] <Bitbadger> I followed a tutorial i found on ubuntuforums.com how to mount encrypted home partion / partition is borked
[04:07] <leftyfb> Bitbadger: got a link? Because without a password/passphrase/key file, there's no way to decrypt an encrypted volume. If you found a way, then that is a serious security flaw.
[04:08] <Bitbadger> yes it is a security flaw
[04:08] <Bitbadger> will give u the link in a moment
[04:09] <Bitbadger> i still needed to know my personal password but i didn't need my mount key
[04:09] <Bitbadger> i managed to recover my mount key
[04:09] <leftyfb> please share the link
[04:09] <leftyfb> I really do not think what you are saying is accurate
[04:17] <Bitbadger> im in- what happened was my drive became corrupted
[04:17] <Bitbadger> so i had to go through this crazy process combining like 4 different tutorials
[04:19] <Bitbadger> i recoved my mount pass but had my personal pass
[04:19] <Bitbadger> the guy called kevdog on the ubuntu forums
[04:19] <Bitbadger> he helped
[04:21] <leftyfb> Bitbadger: link?
[04:21] <Bitbadger> its on my other pc
[04:21] <Bitbadger> let me find it again
[04:22] <Bitbadger> are you going to patch it?
[04:22] <leftyfb> It should be reported if what you say is true
[04:22] <leftyfb> though I seriously doubt there's full understanding of what was actually wrong and what was fixed
[04:23] <Bitbadger> mmmm... but the problem is that the ubuntu is buggy and corrupted my drive, if it wasn't for this security flaw i would have lost a fortune
[04:23] <Bitbadger> thank god it was there
[04:25] <leftyfb> Ubuntu is no buggy in that it would corrupt a drive on it's own. Also, since you have not provided a link after being asked 3 times in 20 minutes, I do not think there's a problem as you say there is.
[04:25] <guiverc> Bitbadger, your messages point more to your misunderstanding, and not to flaw in my opinion.  providing the link would gain you some some credibility
[04:27] <Bitbadger> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/en/man1/ecryptfs-recover-private.1.html
[04:27] <Bitbadger> i used a combination of diff tutorials
[04:27] <Bitbadger> this the program you use
[04:27] <Bitbadger> ecryptfs
[04:28] <Bitbadger> theres a wrapped passphase hidden inside the home folder
[04:28] <leftyfb> that prompts for a password
[04:28] <Bitbadger> its accessable through this hack
[04:29] <Bitbadger> i said i had my login pw
[04:29] <Bitbadger> i didnt have my mount key
[04:29] <leftyfb> what mount key?
[04:30] <leftyfb> ecryptfs-recover-private is not a "hack"
[04:30] <vox> thats not a hack, it's working as designed
[04:30] <leftyfb> and not a security issue
[04:30] <Bitbadger> i just straight hacked your system man
[04:30] <Bitbadger> newbs
[04:31] <leftyfb> ah, so you're a troll then?
[04:31] <Bitbadger> no im just hapy i got back into my drive
[04:31] <Bitbadger> its been killng me
[04:31] <Bitbadger> i almost had a heart attack
[04:37] <romeolopcam> hello dears
[04:44] <taky> hey all, ubuntu user here, been running i3 for awhile but was wondering what the name is of these gtk utilities that popup from time to time, specifically file prompts
[04:44] <taky> i want to get rid of the ones that came with ubuntu and potentially replace them with something more minimal
[04:45] <taky> also the default image viewer i'd like to replace as well :P
[04:46] <taky> example of the file prompt that apps seem to share: https://taky.s3.amazonaws.com/wOVSsOAKT.png
[04:52] <DeutschMarc> hello world
[04:54] <ghostnik11> hey for some reason my application Anki isn't working!!! in my ubuntu 18.04 budgie
[04:58] <Rabbitnightmare> ghostnik11, you should ask in the proper channel as budgie is not a supported DE
[04:59] <Rabbitnightmare> this channel is for vanilla Ubuntu
[04:59] <ghostnik11> Rabbitnightmare, oh okay thanks.
[04:59] <Rabbitnightmare> issue being is that it is hard to ensure proper compatibility with all the desktops out there
[05:00] <Rabbitnightmare> budgie has a lot of issues which is why I never use it personally
[05:01] <jacober> My psensor is calling my cpu die pch_cannonlake when I am 99 per cent sure my cpu is coffeelake architecture. Is this a psensor issue or Ubuntu and how can I confirm elsewhere?
[05:01] <ghostnik11> Rabbitnightmare, main reason why i use it for my baytrail 2 in 1 asus tablet is because it has the touch screen capability when it comes to scrolling webpages and etc.
[05:01] <leftyfb> Rabbitnightmare: not true: https://ubuntubudgie.org/blog/2016/11/09/it-s-official
[05:01] <leftyfb> jacober: /proc/cpuinfo
[05:02] <Rabbitnightmare> leftyfb, ubuntubudgie is not ubuntu
[05:03] <Rabbitnightmare> its an entirely different distro
[05:03] <jacober> leftyfb: thanks. all came up "command not found" except the model name which doesn't exactly solve the cannon vice coffeelake issue :-S
[05:03] <leftyfb> jacober: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[05:03] <Rabbitnightmare> it is made by a remix group of individuals much like kubuntu
[05:03] <jacober> Oh, whats the difference from bash?
[05:04] <jacober> Just curious
[05:04] <leftyfb> Rabbitnightmare: incorrect: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[05:04] <leftyfb> Rabbitnightmare: kubuntu and budgie are both official favors of ubuntu
[05:04] <leftyfb> Rabbitnightmare: As such, it is verymuch supported here.
[05:12] <romeolopcam> prueba
[05:21] <ghostnik11> Rabbitnightmare, hey i got it working. i just installed one from repos and installed the latest version from their website. did a sudo make install and now its working and i can study
[05:23] <ghostnik11> Rabbitnightmare, my only question is how can i put it on the doc b/c i don't have a symbol for it and only can call it up from terminal
[05:47] <headrx> Hey all
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning headrx
[05:56] <headrx> Morning
[06:05] <Bilbo0> Anyone on who can answer a few questions about geforce graphic drivers and kernels?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> Bilbo0: feel free to re-ask your issue to the channel please
[06:13] <Bilbo0>  I get very intermittent times when the graphics go wonky and at the same time my PC freezes up. It was suggested I update my drivers, aside from how to do that, there is also the issue that I could't start my PC for awhile because of a kernel update that for some reason I couldnt revert back for awhile on.
[06:13] <Bilbo0> I was eventually told that kernel and drivers need to match, but then someone else said they don't
[06:13] <Bilbo0> I want to make sure Mint still loads after I update my drivers, after finding out HOW to update my drivers
[06:13] <Bilbo0> also I want to update my kernel without fear of not being able to boot my PC
[06:19] <nisankhindia> Anyone aware about PPA for Vala package
[06:19] <Bilbo0> lotuspsychje: Can you help?
[06:21] <nisankhindia> What you guys suggest ,, which will be good PPA or source installation for VALA
[06:42] <romeolopcam> prueba
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> Bilbo0: are you on mint?
[06:47] <Bilbo0> This is ubuntu
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> Bilbo0: can you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a && lsb_release -a please
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> nisankhindia: we dont really reccomend ppa's here
[06:53] <Bilbo0> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/SiZDKQ5s
[06:54] <romeolopcam> hello
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> Bilbo0: lsb_release -a is missing, and your system is not up to date
[07:01] <MiguelPeru> what's the best driver to use for netgear wag511 on ubuntu 18.04
[07:01] <MiguelPeru> it's a pmcica card
[07:01] <MiguelPeru> is it ath5k
[07:01] <MiguelPeru> it disconnects me after a minute on the network
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> MiguelPeru: is your system up to date please?
[07:11] <MiguelPeru> lotuspsychje, yes sir! I recently updated it
[07:11] <MiguelPeru> lotuspsychje, that card is 10 years old tho
[07:12] <MiguelPeru> I tried updating the firmware but no one has written 1 for it
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> MiguelPeru: did the card work well on another ubuntu version?
[07:15] <Deihmos> is there a terminal app that will show cpu usage, disk activity and so so on
[07:16] <Deihmos> similar to windows performance monitor or task manager
[07:16] <MiguelPeru> lotuspsychje, I tried it in ubuntu 10.04 18.04
[07:17] <MiguelPeru> both have driver problems
[07:17] <MiguelPeru> I first tried it in 2010 then years later I don't think the card is broko
[07:17] <quadrathoch2_> Deihmos: most people use htop
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> !atheros | MiguelPeru check here maybe
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> MiguelPeru: if your card is so old, maybe you could file a new !bug or affect to an existing bug
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> MiguelPeru: but the older hardware gets, the less effort will be taken, drivers might get out of linux-firmware too
[07:22] <MiguelPeru> what linux firmware would be for mine?
[07:22] <MiguelPeru> wag511
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> MiguelPeru: sudo lshw -C network, and check driver=
[07:23] <liveoverflow> hello
[07:23] <liveoverflow> anyone there?
[07:23] <dspmi> hey
[07:24] <liveoverflow> dpsmi: How are things?
[07:26] <MiguelPeru> lotuspsychje, mine says qualcomm atheros
[07:26] <Deihmos> quadrathoch2_: thanks. I have that
[07:27] <quadrathoch2_> Deihmos: no problem
[07:28] <Iolo> I just tried my first installation of Ubuntu with secure boot enabled. I get as far as the mokmanager, but there's no indication of what I'm actually supposed to enroll. What am I meant to do here?
[07:29] <dspmi> not too bad@liveoverflow
[07:29] <MiguelPeru> lotuspsychje, driver is ath5k
[07:30] <ducasse> Iolo: if you want to use out-of-tree modules, disable validation
[07:30] <MiguelPeru> lotuspsychje, kernel driver in use ath5k and kernel module also says ath5k
[07:34] <MiguelPeru> I'll be back
[07:45] <oldguy> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Ubuntu "cosmic" 18.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4310U CPU @ 2.00GHz (1.65GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (14.3 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 383.3 GB / 968.0 GB (584.7 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT DRAM Controller • Uptime: 59m 43s
[07:46] <ducasse> oldguy: please don't do that here
[07:46] <Deihmos> anyone use powertop?
[07:51] <Iolo> ducasse, I don't know what that means. I only enabled third-party firmware in the installer wizard, and the wizard told me to enter a password, and that I would have to do something to enabled the third-party firmware after rebooting. This doesn't seem to imply disabling anything.
[07:52] <ducasse> Iolo: there should be an entry about validation, where you can disable it. i don't remember what it's called.
[07:53] <albech> anyone know how to push dns servers obtained from openvpn lease as the primary dns servers? this problem was introduced with 17.08 with systemd. In 16.04 the problem was fixed by disabling dnsmasq. as you can see the dns is passed on to the client, it just doesnt get queried. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJWbTkW4Hs/ i can dig at the two dns's manually.
[07:53] <ducasse> Iolo: if you can't find it, can you take a picture of the screen?
[07:58] <Iolo> ducasse, sure, give me a minute. I'll also mention that the wiki also doesn't say anything about validation. It only talks about selecting "Enroll MOK", being shown a fingerprint of the certificate to enroll, and confirming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[07:59] <ducasse> Iolo: that's probably to enroll your own key for signing modules yourself
[08:00] <Iolo> ducasse, "while the system is being installed, a new MOK is automatically generated without further user interaction".
[08:01] <Iolo> But it never tells me what the MOK is called so that I can enroll it in the mokmanager
[08:05] <ducasse> Iolo: hmmm. what happens if you choose "enroll mok"?
[08:12] <talin> hello. i am used to dbeian, but i'm trying ubuntu. i am looking for teh simplest way of making a "minimal install", since i'm not comfortable with gnome
[08:13] <talin> should i install ubuntu-server rather than desktop, then?
[08:13] <talin> i want to use just blackbox
[08:13] <ducasse> talin: that is one option
[08:15] <serard> talin, perhaps xvfb can be of help
[08:15] <epinhead> hi all.... i am having an issue where if i try and go into any of my settings (top right of the ubuntu screen) that it logs me out and takes me back to ubuntu login
[08:15] <epinhead> also it keeps giving me error that my network wont connect (ethernet)
[08:15] <epinhead> right now it says my wired connection is off.... and no wifi...
[08:15] <epinhead> im totally lost..
[08:16] <epinhead> hi all.... i am having an issue where if i try and go into any of my settings (top right of the ubuntu screen) that it logs me out and takes me back to ubuntu login
[08:16] <epinhead> right now it says my wired connection is off.... and no wifi...
[08:16] <epinhead> sorry if i am repeating im not sure if messagrs arecomign throuigh
[08:25] <Iolo> ducasse, crisis averted. I reinstalled to get back to the mokmanager, and then mokmanager offered "key 0" for enrollment.
[08:25] <Iolo> I have no idea what I did differently, but I know I'm glad to be done with this. Thanks for the help!
[08:25] <ducasse> Iolo: right, then you should be good :)
[08:29] <leli666> hey
[08:29] <leli666> what's up guys
[08:34] <badSophia> hello how can i install apach server on ubuntu?
[08:36] <ducasse> badSophia: sudo apt install apache2
[08:36] <badSophia> ah thanks ducasse  :)
[08:37] <badSophia> there is no apache3?
[08:37] <badSophia> ducasse: ?
[08:38] <ducasse> i didn't say 3
[08:41] <afancy> Could anybody help me here? thanks https://pastebin.com/DpvFfsCY
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> afancy: try nmap -PN -sV your-ip
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> afancy: there's also a difference scanning internal ip vs your external ip adress
[08:46] <afancy> lotuspsychje: but i already added "-A INPUT -i enp2s0 -p tcp -m multiport --dports 3306,8086,8883 -j ACCEPT" in my iptables
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> afancy: try it as a test please
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> afancy: ok, thats your internal ip, now try external please?
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> afancy: seems like not recognized port indeed
[08:56] <afancy> lotuspsychje: yes.
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> afancy: sure its running properly?
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> afancy: maybe a reboot?
[08:57] <afancy> I run the docker
[08:58] <afancy> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/RJVLsLpc I have already the docker, but it is same.
[09:00] <afancy> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/TWzkZxhP
[09:00] <afancy> You could see i entered the docker container. It is running
[09:59] <neurre> hi
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> welcome neurre
[09:59] <neurre> how can I make the dock auto-hide?
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> neurre: dconf-editor
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> neurre: and look for the value dock-fixed (ON-OFF)
[10:01] <neurre> lotuspsychje, thanks!
[10:01] <neurre> why do we have to have dconf-editor and gnome-tweaks and settings..
[10:01] <neurre> should have all these in settings
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> neurre: make a !bug wishlist if you like, and ill help affecting it
[10:02] <quadrathoch2_> neurre: well you can also change that in gnome-tweaks so it’s graphical (as far as I can remember (in the Ubuntu dock options)
[10:02] <neurre> should get some work done right now instead, but yeah, I will do one fine day
[10:03] <neurre> quadrathoch2_, In gnome-tweaks it says ubuntu-dock is off
[10:03] <neurre> and I do not find anything more about dock
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> quadrathoch2_: yeah gnome-tweaks only shows extensions enable/disable dock
[10:03] <neurre> meanwhile, dconf-editor had the fixed entry and it did work
[10:04] <quadrathoch2_> oh are we talking about the topbar?
[10:04] <neurre> even though tweak says ubuntu dock is off.. I wonder what that means
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> quadrathoch2_: no, the dock with icons
[10:04] <neurre> I mean the dock, its on the left, with app icons
[10:04] <quadrathoch2_> bla, that sucks
[10:04] <neurre> works well enough for me
[10:04] <neurre> I just want it to be hidden by default
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> glad it helped neurre
[10:04] <quadrathoch2_> yeah, the last time I used gnome it worked that way (afaik)
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> neurre: if you make it a !bug ill ask to make it a wishlist, ubuntu-bug yourpackage
[10:07] <neurre> what is this !bug thing? some irc bot command?
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> neurre: no, from a terminal you can easy create the bug
[10:07] <neurre> ah okay
[10:07] <neurre> i did not know that
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> neurre: ubuntu-bug gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock
[10:12] <neurre> i dont know if i have ubuntu one account or not..
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> neurre: you can easy create one
[10:12] <neurre> not really - it complained I already had one :P
[10:19] <neurre> Now this is confusing
[10:19] <neurre> Settings has Dock, and auto-hide in it
[10:19] <neurre> I thought it wasnt there before
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> neurre: ah yeah indeed
[10:20] <neurre> There does not seem to be button to cancel bug submission
[10:20] <neurre> I just dont submit it
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> yep
[10:21] <neurre> but thanks, its good to know ubuntu-bug too :)
[10:21] <neurre> now something completely different.. laptop recommendations?
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> neurre: pretty usefull right
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> neurre: most laptops will work under ubuntu, perhaps just avoid some chipsets like realtek, broadcom
[10:22] <neurre> I've used Dell XPS 15 9560, and it is pretty nice
[10:22] <neurre> bluetooth sucks though
[10:56] <ne2k> any suggestions on how to debug XF86AudioPlay no longer working with Spotify on Ubuntu xenial? if I send the org.mrpis.MediaPLayer2.Player.PlayPause command, it controls spotify, and if I run xev, the key is creating the event, and if I click on the play pause button in the "media" menu, it works
[10:57] <sacarde> hi
[10:58] <sacarde> is possible to start ubuntu-18.04-dvd with wayland?
[10:59] <Kali_Yuga> Hello, My mom is used to plain ubuntu on an older laptop, I have helped her over the phone to install the next lts release since she has been using 14.04 for many years now without many problems. She installed 18.04, but just after boot, the system eats up over 50% of her memory (she has 4GB). did Ubuntu really get that heavy and why? will the battery life decrease because of it? why did it seemingly
[10:59] <Kali_Yuga> become so unpleasantly bloated and heavy?
[11:02] <Kali_Yuga> It apparently uses more Ram than the KDE desktop now, which has actually become much lighter instead of heavier
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: ubuntu-desktop with gnome had gotten heavy indeed
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: maybe consider another flavor or DE
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Kali_Yuga
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: i think 8gig ram would be better to get gnome workable
[11:05] <ne2k> Kali_Yuga, what is actually using the RAM, though? and has there been a detrimental effect on performance?
[11:08] <Kali_Yuga> lotuspsychje: yes I thought of that, but since she doesn't know much and was so used to the unity experience over many years, I really didn't want to take that away from her because she would have problems getting used to different stuff...
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: unity is still installable on 18.04 also if you want
[11:09] <guiverc> Kali_Yuga, which DE(sktop) is best for someone is a personal thing, but MATE is in my opinion a pretty good choice; it contains a Mutiny (Unity like choice) that may suit, and is slightly lighter than GNOME...  just a FYI
[11:09] <Kali_Yuga> ne2k: No performance is actually fine as far as I know, just uses a lot of Ram
[11:11] <ne2k> Kali_Yuga, it might just be cacheing stuff. what is the output of "free"
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: you can also tweak a bit if you like: install preload, disable unwanted services,clean system with bleachbit, install lighter apps
[11:16] <ne2k> running indicator-sound-service in the foreground, I think I might have a lead: (process:26322): indicator-sound-WARNING **: accounts-service-access.vala:205: unable to sync last running player spotify.desktop to AccountsService: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: No such interface 'com.ubuntu.AccountsService.Sound'
[11:17] <Kali_Yuga> ne2k: sry but I can't get that right know. lotuspsychje, but it's not actually beeing maintained by ubuntu as far as I know. but I could consider doing that
[11:19] <Kali_Yuga> guiverc: No I dont think we want Mate but thanks for the suggestion.
[11:24] <guiverc> Kali_Yuga, fyi:  unity for 18.04 is a community desktop, so is maintained by the community like xfce (xubuntu), mate, lxqt or any other flavor...  It's just no longer supported by Canonical
[11:26] <aqd> why does 18.04 desktop freeze when I copy large files on SSD? never had problem with 16.x or on windows, same hardware same disks
[11:26] <aqd> I have dirty ratio to 10% and IO scheduler to deadline, but same problem
[11:29] <ne2k> https://pastebin.com/BDpnrTzT I get this error on the dbus-monitor when I press the play/pause key.
[11:37] <Kali_Yuga> guiverc: Yes but I'm not sure yet if I want to go that route... The new gnome desktop does have a lot of improvements compared to the old unity. It's just way to heavy now IMO and seems OP to her needs. especially that it's heavier than KDE which I think is weird.
[11:38] <userb1-12> -12
[11:38] <userb1-12> shade
[11:39] <userb1-12> tsifsa
[11:39] <Rouner> Hey, my sis 190 net card can’t drive, Ubuntu 14.04 server i386
[11:41] <Rouner> Who have the driver file? thanks
[11:41] <guiverc> Kali_Yuga, Qt4 was heavy, far heavier than GTK+2.  GTK+3 is heavier than gtk+2 which has made gnome, mate & xfce (as it continues to move) heavier; but KDE is far lighter... LXDE (GTK+2) is now ~dead; Lubuntu have moved to LXQt (it's lighter)...  MATE originally was gnome2 like, but no longer, with easy change of look/feel in tweaks (which is where Mutiny is one option) - why I suggested it (I don't use it myself; it's still GTK+3 so
[11:41] <guiverc> good for gnome or consistent apps to older ubuntu) - DE choice is personal
[11:48] <aqd> uh, the gnome 3 desktop has terrible performance with VDPAQ + compositing
[11:49] <aqd> on nvidia at least. unity/compiz was bad enough. i gave up and go back to xfce
[11:54] <Dreaman> nikolov@xubuntu-ivan:~$ uname -a
[11:54] <Dreaman> Linux xubuntu-ivan 5.0.0-050000rc4-generic #201901272036 SMP Mon Jan 28 01:38:37 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:54] <Dreaman> nikolov@xubuntu-ivan:~$
[11:54] <Dreaman>   aqd :)
[11:56] <aqd> :)
[11:57] <aqd> xfce's 2d compositor still works well, little overhead for HW video playback and also games
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> discussions in #ubuntu-discuss please
[11:58] <Kali_Yuga> guiverc: well, basically I'm making the choice since she doesn't know. So back then, I chose what I thought would be the easiest one. clicking on the left dock to open a program seems fairly easy. thats why I went with that. I tried Mate in a VM few years back and I ran into too many bugs. thats why I wouldn't want to use it or giving it to anyone. And lxde I only put on machines that really need the
[11:58] <Kali_Yuga> lightweightiness to operate.
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: install 18.04 minimal, place the dock left and you got a unity look-a-like
[12:01] <janat08> Can you backup LVM snapshots to backup, and does it make recovery of broken linux a 100% with corrupted fs say
[12:04] <blackflow> janat08: lvm snapshots are just (temporary) freezes of the fs, so you can copy it elsewhere atomically, with something like rsync for example.
[12:05] <__raven__> hello
[12:05] <janat08> blackflow: what about fs problems resilience?
[12:05] <janat08> witht he snapshots
[12:06] <__raven__> does anyone know something about tcp port 4242 and 8042 associated with files "accerciser.svg" and "abiword.svg"
[12:06] <Kali_Yuga> lotuspsychje: the dock in 18.04 was already on the left and since she has everything installed already I'm trying not to reinstall everything over again. Was hoping for like minor tweaks to get ram usage down or something to make it a little better so she can work with that.
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: i suggested a few things to tweak already you can try
[12:07] <blackflow> janat08: lvm snapshots are not the kind of CoW snapshots you have in btrfs or zfs. they have nothing to do with fs resilience.
[12:07] <janat08> i meant if FS is not repairable
[12:08] <blackflow> janat08: again, LVM snapshots are just freezes in the filesystem. the "snapshot" volume then keeps on taking _changes_ to the fs, so you can copy off the source atomically.
[12:09] <blackflow> janat08: so what you SHOULD be asking is:   are the backups you made by copying data elsewhere, okay to restore data in case of primary fs failure.
[12:09] <noals> hi, got some problem installing ubuntu, well actually it is installed but if i restart my computer it wont boot but grub isn't installed or something and im not even sure i can install anything at all, i don't know what to do
[12:09] <noals> because grub isn't installed*
[12:09] <Kali_Yuga> lotuspsychje: yes thank you and I will try those suggestions and hope for the best :P
[12:11] <noals> i had a previous version of ubuntu on a partition that i booted manually using my bios, i just wanted to do a clean install and grub failed to install with the new install so im stuck
[12:12] <Kali_Yuga> lotuspsychje: If it will get to bothersome, I probably won't get around choosing a new DE :(
[12:13] <Kali_Yuga> noals: Do you have an UEFI or a Bios?
[12:13] <benjaoming> Hi all, after upgrades on Ubuntu 18.04, I started to experience that the screen lock or display manager (gdm) have gone insane. Screen lock doesn't work (reveals the actual screen, partly locked), I can run "gnome-shell --replace" to make things go back to normal after CTRL+ALT+F1 to log back in to existing session. Wondering if this is happening to others? Any hints to an existing bug report?
[12:14] <noals> i dont know what a uefi is but i have a bios. i use 4 harddrives, 1 for windows, 2 for backup kinda and the 3rd is partitionned so a part of it is ntfs and the others partitions are ext4 and swap for ubuntu
[12:14] <noals> i dont know what a uefi is but i have a bios. i use 4 harddrives, 1 for windows, 2 for backup kinda and the 3rd is partitionned so a part of it is ntfs and the others partitions are ext4 and swap for ubuntu Kali_Yuga
[12:16] <noals> Kali_Yuga:  im using ubuntu actualy i use a firefox irc client but if i restart the partition with ubuntu wont boot, i just reinstalled with the dvd
[12:16] <blackflow> noals: with 4 physical drives in the system did you select the correct one to put grub on?
[12:17] <noals> blackflow:  yes i did,   Kali_Yuga  my bad i have an uefi, i just checked on the net what it was
[12:17] <blackflow> noals: and how are you selecting what to boot into, via BIOS boot option?
[12:17] <blackflow> oh EFI, yeah, I'm out :)
[12:17] <noals> Kali_Yuga: i know there is a secure boot problem incompatibility but grub isnt installed i think
[12:17] <noals> blackflow:  i select the hardrive manually
[12:18] <Kali_Yuga> noals: You mentioned having a second windows partition?
[12:18] <noals> blackflow: i do that because i use windows usually so it boot on windows and when i want to boot on ubuntu i use my "uefi" lol
[12:19] <noals> Kali_Yuga:  yes i use windows usually
[12:20] <Kali_Yuga> noals: It could be that windows is preventing grub from showing up. do you use windows 10?
[12:20] <Kali_Yuga> I had an issue with that once
[12:21] <noals> Kali_Yuga: no i use windows 7 but i had a error message while installing ubuntu telling me that grubpackage something failed to install
[12:22] <noals> Kali_Yuga: so i guess it wasnt installed well but because of this bug, im not even sure i have admin access to my installation, it doesnt seem i can install anything, im a bit confuse
[12:22] <Kali_Yuga> noals: oh that would explain things
[12:22] <Kali_Yuga> noals: are you still able to boot windows ?
[12:22] <noals> Kali_Yuga: yes
[12:23] <noals> Kali_Yuga: it doesnt boot on the same hd,   i have   hd1/windows  hd2/ntfs  hd3/ntfs   hd4/ntfs/ext4/swap
[12:24] <noals> Kali_Yuga: so when i wxant to use ubuntu i just select my hd4 with my uefi and it boot on ubuntu but it seems hard without grub lol
[12:25] <Kali_Yuga> noals: If you just did the install, the best solution would be actually to wipe and reinstall
[12:25] <noals> Kali_Yuga: u just did it
[12:25] <noals> Kali_Yuga: i*
[12:26] <afx_> Hello everyone! I just updated my system to linux 4.15.0.44 (Ubuntu 18.04) and now with a dual screen setup whenever I am changing my display settings so that my 2nd monitor is on top of the other (stacked mode) my laptop crashes and both screens turn off !Any ideas please?
[12:26] <noals> Kali_Yuga:  thats why i ask for help because if i restart i will have to install again to access it
[12:26] <Kali_Yuga> noals: Is reinstalling not an option?
[12:27] <noals> Kali_Yuga: i just did it so its kinda pointless, thats the second time i did and first time i also formated the partition for ubuntu
[12:28] <Kali_Yuga> noals: did you check your image for errors?
[12:28] <noals> Kali_Yuga: no i didnt
[12:29] <TJ-> afx_: have you confirmed the issue is specific to the -44 kernel but booting to an older kernel (from the GRUb boot menu Advanced sub-menu) ?
[12:30] <Kali_Yuga> noals: also check the md5sum of you image you used and check the image for errors when booting. then you can be sure it's not the image itself
[12:30] <Kali_Yuga> your*
[12:31] <TJ-> noals: what is the make/model of the PC (or motherboard) ?
[12:31] <noals> Kali_Yuga:  i try to install boot-repair  or something it would be weird that everything is fine but just grub
[12:31] <afx_> TJ-, let me check. ill restart
[12:32] <noals> TJ-: euh... maximus VII ranger or something, i dont remember well
[12:32] <TJ-> noals: it is possible GRUB cannot install due to the boot-mode and existing partitioning of the installation device (e.g. nowhere for GRUB to write its core image)
[12:33] <TJ-> noals: the reason I ask about make/model is some have bugs in UEFI firmware that require additional work, too
[12:33] <noals> Kali_Yuga: TJ-  i dont know maybe kali is right because i have errors with the libc-bin package, i cant install things because of that
[12:34] <Kali_Yuga> noals: boot repair as far as I know only works with Bios and not for efi systems, but I could be wrong. so I wouldn't recommend it
[12:34] <noals> TJ-: it was working fine with a previous version of ubuntu, i just wanted to do a clean install with the last version but here i am
[12:34] <TJ-> noals: are you able to boot the broken PC using the Ubuntu desktop installer in "Try Ubuntu" mode? In which case we can investigate and most likely fix it
[12:36] <noals> TJ-:  i am actually using ubuntu right now, i just installed it, it's just that if i restart and boot on my partition i will have a "no system" error so yes, pease help me while im on ubuntu ^^
[12:36] <noals> TJ-: ubuntu is installed and i took of the dvd and checked im using the right partition but i dont know much more about it, i just search what i can on google ^^;
[12:37] <TJ-> noals: You're using the Ubuntu installation that is broken, or another installation?
[12:37] <noals> TJ-: the broken one but i dont know to which point it is broken, if i only need a boot sector or if everything is fucked up
[12:37] <TJ-> noals: oh... do you mean you're using the Live Try Ubuntu right now?
[12:38] <TJ-> noals: I'm trying to figure out how you're using an installed image if it won't boot :D
[12:38] <noals> TJ-: no, i installed with the dvd, and so ubuntu is running but i cant boot again if i restart, i have to resinstall again if i want to use it or use the live fonction
[12:39] <TJ-> noals: So it's running the live image from the installer. Open a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T) and do "sudo apt install pastebinit" to start with so we can collect information
[12:39] <albech> anyone know how to push dns servers obtained from openvpn lease as the primary dns servers? this problem was introduced with 17.08 with systemd. In 16.04 the problem was fixed by disabling dnsmasq. as you can see the dns is passed on to the client, it just doesnt get queried. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJWbTkW4Hs/ i can dig at the two dns's manually.
[12:41] <TJ-> noals: once you've done that, do "pastebinit <( cat /etc/cmdline /etc/issue; lsblk; sudo blkid; ls -latr /target )"
[12:41] <noals> TJ-:  i guess it's really broken, i cant install anything, each time i have a libc-bin error
[12:42] <noals> TJ-:  installed libc-bin package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 135
[12:42] <afx_> TJ-, Linux 4.5.0-43 work fine. -44 crash after login with 2nd monitor attached . I am on -44 now without the 2nd display
[12:42] <noals> TJ-: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:42] <TJ-> !bug | afx_ Can you report a bug against 'linux' package for that
[12:43] <noals> TJ-:  but i can pastebin using internet , i can use firefox so if u need other info i can paste them like that
[12:43] <TJ-> afx_: looks like a regression due to some CVE fixes; with a bug report we can get the kernel/security team to look at it
[12:44] <TJ-> noals: OK, lets start with the report from "cat /proc/cmdline; lsblk"
[12:44] <afx_> I will report the bug TJ- . Is there anything else I can do about this ?
[12:44] <afx_> at least boot into -43 for example?
[12:45] <noals> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/6enHPgmr
[12:47] <afx_> brb need to restart
[12:48] <TJ-> afx_: you could also set the -43 as the default for now so it always boots to that, by editing /etc/default/grub and setting the "GRUB_DEFAULT= apprpriately
[12:50] <TJ-> noals: Right, so currently you're using the 'Try Ubuntu' live environment. If you're experiencing errors with that it is most likely the installer image on the USB is corrupted, and if that is the case, may be why GRUB fails to install
[12:51] <noals> TJ-: oh ok, so i check if all files are good or i make another dvd ?
[12:52] <TJ-> noals: I seem to recall there's a boot-time option of the installer to 'check for defects' which would be my 1st suggestion
[12:52] <TJ-> noals: if that does report problems then you need to check the ISO image you've downloaded by comparing its checksum against that published on the download web page
[12:53] <noals> TJ-:  Kali_Yuga   yes, kali_yuga told it to me too so i guess i dont have much choices, i will check that and if there is a problem i will try to make me another dvd without defect
[12:53] <TJ-> noals: if the downloaded image is fine but the USB/DVD isn't then re-write it
[12:53] <noals> TJ-: oh thx you, i will
[12:53] <noals> ok*
[12:53] <TJ-> noals: I thought you were using a USB to install from but I see it is a DVD
[12:54] <noals> TJ-: yes i just burn one from time to time, wish me luck ^^
[12:54] <noals> cya
[12:55] <_afx_> TJ-, sorry to bother but need some advise. Should I change the /etc/default/grub file so that it boots to -43 instead of -44 ?
[12:57] <TJ-> _afx_: It'll save you some messing about at boot-time :)
[12:57] <_afx_> and wait for next kernel update then TJ-  ?
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> _afx_: to fasten the bug process you can do a few things, find more users affected and try testing yourself already, share bug url to the channel,..
[13:00] <TJ-> _afx_: If you do "grep menuentry_id_option /boot/grub/grub.cfg" you can identify the correct 'menuentry_id' required to add
[13:00] <_afx_> lotuspsychje, ok will search for it
[13:00] <_afx_> let me check TJ-
[13:02] <_afx_> TJ-, requeired to add, where ?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:03] <TJ-> _afx_: let me give you an example from my system. Using the command I just gave I identify the menuentry line I want as default (I don't have the -43 kernel installed so in my example I have to use -44!)
[13:04] <TJ-> _afx_:  menuentry 'Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS, with Linux 4.15.0-44-lowlatency' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-4.15.0-44-lowlatency-advanced-50e85da8-68c7-4a55-be02-d8a5a2f9b6d3'  <-- so here the id is "gnulinux-4.15.0-44-lowlatency-advanced-50e85da8-68c7-4a55-be02-d8a5a2f9b6d3" so in /etc/default/grub I'd edit GRUB_DEFAULT=0 to become
[13:04] <TJ-> GRUB_DEFAULT="gnulinux-4.15.0-44-lowlatency-advanced-50e85da8-68c7-4a55-be02-d8a5a2f9b6d3" then I'd do "sudo update-grub"
[13:05] <_afx_> TJ-, so should I give the entire string and not an index ?
[13:05] <_afx_> like "2>0"
[13:05] <TJ-> _afx_: you can do "2>0" but if there's an update that might end up booting the wrong entry
[13:05] <iomari> greetings, will installing enlightenment conflict with my kubuntu installtion?
[13:05] <_afx_> TJ-, will I still get the grub menu ?
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> iomari: at login window you can choose kde or enlightment after install
[13:06] <_afx_> I will do it your way but would lke to know if the menu will still be available
[13:06] <TJ-> _afx_: this is setting the default, so you can always get to the GRUB menu by tapping Esc key, but if you don't tap it'll boot the GRUB_DEFAULT entry
[13:06] <_afx_> also what package should I enter for ubuntu-bug?
[13:06] <_afx_> TJ-, ok got it
[13:06] <iomari> lotuspsychje: I'm aware of that, I'm talking about library conflicts.
[13:06] <TJ-> _afx_: package = "linux"
[13:07] <_afx_> so ubuntu-bug linux  ?
[13:07] <TJ-> _afx_: Yes
[13:07] <_afx_> ok TJ-
[13:07] <TJ-> _afx_: let us know the bug report # afterwards so I can follow up on it
[13:07] <noals> TJ-: i checked the dvd, it didnt find any errors so im not sure why it failed to install grub through i also checked my bios, i have the secure boot for uefi windows support enabled
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> iomari: i did install enlightment a few times without issues, tested on several ubuntu versions
[13:08] <iomari> lotuspsychje: thanks. How did you like it?
[13:08] <_afx_> hmmm do I have to boot to -44 to fill that bug report TJ- ?
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> iomari: i always was a fan of enlightment for its weirdness, but last time i tested had a bit buggy feeling
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> iomari: one way to findout, install :p
[13:09] <TJ-> noals: That is strange, because when the installer environment was running it was reporting problems with "libc-bin" so something must be wrong
[13:09] <iomari> lotuspsychje: which version?
[13:09] <iomari> was buggy?
[13:09] <n3tburst> i can't get usb and ethernet to work on thunderbolt dock. only display port outputs work. any suggestions? paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XR5Ky2sRQW/
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> !info e17 | iomari
[13:10] <TJ-> _afx_: no, don't worry about that but if you are able to that would help the bug triage because they can see the actual logs
[13:10] <noals> TJ-: yes, bah i will do as you say before, i will download a new image and do the checksum its just that i fear it will be a loss of time, i hope not, cya
[13:10] <iomari> lotuspsychje: isn't e19 out?
[13:10] <TJ-> noals: don't need to redownload, just check the .iso image you have already
[13:11] <_afx_> will do cause currently the package is linux-image-4.15.0.-43
[13:11] <noals> TJ-: i just reinstalled windows as well so i need to redownload ^^
[13:11] <TJ-> noals: if that is OK then you know the issue is something to do with the system when it is executing, rather than anything on the media
[13:11] <_afx_> ok let me restart
[13:11] <noals> TJ-: yeah thats why its weird since it worked before, dunno what 's wrong
[13:12] <TJ-> noals: ahhh, are you implying you've no longer got the ISO file around to check?
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> iomari: i only tested e17 from the official repos
[13:12] <iomari> ok. "F" it. I'm going for it.
[13:12] <noals> TJ-: i did the live check with the dvd but thats ok , it shouldnt take long to redownload
[13:13] <_afx_> TJ-, shall the GRUB_DEFAULT string be in double quotes  ?
[13:13] <TJ-> noals: OK :)
[13:13] <_afx_> or is it automatically parsed
[13:13] <noals> TJ-: 8,4Mo/s ^^
[13:13] <_afx_> this gnulinux-4.15.0-43-generic-advanced-9354306a-00ba-43a3-85ce-209a58d47604 for example
[13:13] <noals> TJ-:  and going up lol
[13:14] <_afx_> TJ-, nvm found out that it shall not be in quotes
[13:15] <TJ-> _afx_: strings can be in or out of quotes if they do not contain spaces. We usually use quotes for consistency
[13:15] <_afx_> or not ? :) Your examples is with quotes
[13:16] <_afx_> ok TJ-
[13:17] <TJ-> _afx_: update-grub actually 'executes' (sources) the file as a regular shell script so all Bash rules apply to its interpretation
[13:17] <_afx_> ok got it !
[13:17] <_afx_> brb I am going to reboot now
[13:23] <noals> TJ-: checksum is good, i will reburn it i guess
[13:24] <alina-malina__> i am having issues with my armbian image, how can i clone it for sure from ubuntu so when i recover i not lose my .irssi configuration files and all files that i am unable to access while its mounted?
[13:29] <alina-malina__> so after upgrading image i am not able to connect via ssh, the port is closed when i scan with nmam
[13:36] <noals> TJ-: got the new dvd, i will try to install again, just a question, when you select the partition and the root for it "/" is enough right ? i dont need "/boot" or soemthing else right ?
[13:37] <noals> TJ-: and what about my secure boot ? can i left it like tat so i can continu booting on windows by default ?
[13:39] <qwebirc38549> Hi, I have a question about boot repair not working
[13:40] <gigirock> qwebirc38549, put the question on table...............
[13:43] <qwebirc38549> After instaling Ubuntu via usb I can no longer boot to partitioned hard drive.  Boot-repair did not solve issue.  I can see my disk partitions when I boot with usb.  They show up as being unmounted.
[13:43] <gigirock> noals, please , you better prepare your bios system to get ubuntu: disable secure boot and fast boot in win10 , then starting ubuntu from dvd or in windows preare at least 10Gb of disk space to get ubuntu in, then when you have a / "root" partition then you are asked where you want to install the boot , and you will specify the 'device' and not the partition
[13:43] <gigirock> qwebirc38549, is this a win10 multisystem ?
[13:45] <qwebirc38549> gigirock, C drive is win 10, E drive shows Ubuntu
[13:45] <noals> gigirock: i use win7, its because i had a problem with grub not installing with the dvd, if i disable the secure boot and fast boot, will i still be able to boot on windows ? and yes we must select the device but it ask also a mounting ponit of something so i put "/" only but i was wondering if something else is better i guess it's pointless to make it a directory that isnt the root one
[13:45] <blackflow> 10G might a tad insufficient for Ubuntu desktop. the installation would fit, but you'd be left with little space for ~/
[13:45] <afx_> TJ-, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813769
[13:47] <gigirock> qwebirc38549, you need a boot-repair usb key that is uefi compliant, so boot from there and then try boot repair... if you already done that, so refer to 'win10 boot repair' commands , but you need a windows usb key to boot from
[13:48] <visone> howdy
[13:49] <wangata> hello can anyone help me with a question about graficcardinstallation for ubuntu and debian...
[13:49] <ghostnik11> TJ-, guess what the main problem with the sound and the module was for the pulseaudio not working properly on my device
[13:50] <ghostnik11> lotuspsychje, i needed to go to the daemon.conf and uncomment realtime scheduling = no
[13:50] <wangata> i cant install my nvidia carf 970 atm... because i had an dependence trouble each step...
[13:51] <ghostnik11> TJ-, lotuspsychje after it started to work, it would suddenly stop but i just needed to do that, take away the semicolon and put no instead of yes. now i can control sound fully with fn keys and all that.
[13:52] <Ool> Hi , what's the default terminal in KDE ?
[13:52] <phazon> Ool: Konsole
[13:54] <Ool> thanks phazon it was not installed (netinstall - Kubuntu-full), did you know the shortcut too ?
[13:54] <gigirock> noals, if you have win7 then is not mandatory to have secure boot , fast boot is not a feature of the win7 os.
[13:57] <gigirock> noals, if you prepare a empty space disk about 15G, the you will install ubuntu in there, then you specify you want to install grub on 'device' NOT the partition , at the end you will select ubuntu/windows from the grub menu
[13:57] <gigirock> blackflow, i add 5Gb ;
[13:57] <qwebirc38549> My partitions show up as being Not Mounted.  Is that why I am only able to boot using usb with Ubuntu instal pkg?
[13:58] <phazon> Ool: not sure about shortcuts, as i havent used KDE since the late 90s / early 2000s; maybe ask in #kubuntu
[13:59] <TJ-> afx_: looks like you're not alone; your bug marked as a duplicate
[13:59] <coconut> Ool: shortcut?
[13:59] <gigirock> qwebirc38549, maybe , or your win10 disk is crypted
[13:59] <zooper> TJ- afx_: that was me :)
[13:59] <Ool> phazon: My last use was with mandrake/driva , I 'm just installing this computer for someelse:) coconut yes like crtl+alt+T in gnome
[13:59] <afx_> zooper, does your system freeze ?
[13:59] <Ool> but not very important
[14:00] <phazon> Ool: mine was Caldera OpenLinux
[14:00] <coconut> oh i don't know that
[14:00] <Ool> shift + crtl + T ork :)
[14:00] <zooper> afx_: well, my machine responds to ping, so it isn't a complete freeze, but the screen turns blank and i have to do a hard reset of the machine to be able to use the laptop again
[14:00] <Ool> work*
[14:00] <qwebirc38549> I wonder if I should just try to mount partitions from command as I do not have a win 10 disk.
[14:01] <sachin1> hello
[14:01] <Ool> phazon: I remember open caldera 3 when arrived webmin :P
[14:01] <phazon> Ool: cool. i was gonna suggest the "run" dialog thing with alt+F2 but you got it sorted out :)
[14:02] <EriC^^> qwebirc38549: what happens when you try to boot?
[14:02] <sachin1> i don't know how to change,can you suggest how?
[14:03] <phazon> Ool: i only played with caldera 2.X release; not sure if it was 2.3 or 2.8... been a long time
[14:03] <TJ-> afx_: zooper good news, there were only 3 changes to the i915 driver between -43 and -44 so we should be able to quickly figure out which one causes it
[14:03] <sachin1> ok
[14:04] <afx_> TJ-, nice :)
[14:04] <afx_> zooper, same here
[14:04] <zooper> TJ-: sounds good! was a colleague of mine who create the report but since it affected me as well i kept an eye on it
[14:04] <qwebirc38549> When I try to boot without usb I get stuck in BIOS page.  Can't see disk partitions,
[14:05] <TJ-> afx_: zooper I'm adding to the report and have made the title more specific
[14:05] <zooper> TJ-: champ!
[14:06] <afx_> TJ-, can you please indicate where the problem is from my log , so that I can check for future problems?
[14:06] <gigirock> !info boot-repait
[14:06] <gigirock> !info boot-repair
[14:06] <TJ-> afx_: If it causes a hard lock-up I suspect the log will never receive the reports
[14:07] <TJ-> afx_: subscribe to the master bug report and you'll get notified as progress is made
[14:07] <qwebirc38549> Launch EFI Shell from filesustem device is an option, not sure if I should try it
[14:07] <phazon> Ool: Helio got ancient KDE 1.1, 2 and 3 building and working again so I might play with those for nostalgia sake.  little rough around the edes but still better than gnome ;-D
[14:08] <EriC^^> qwebirc38549: are you in the live usb right now?
[14:08] <qwebirc38549> Not in live usb at this time
[14:09] <gigirock> !bootrepair
[14:09] <afx_> thank you TJ-
[14:09] <gigirock> !bootrepair | qwebirc38549
[14:12] <EriC^^> qwebirc38549: boot into it and come back here
[14:12] <qwebirc38549> I tried the Boot-Repair with no success.
[14:13] <EriC^^> nvrmnd boot-repair
[14:17] <qwebirc38549> Have now booted with Ubuntu instal USB (live?)
[14:19] <EriC^^> qwebirc38549: great! type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:19] <EriC^^> qwebirc38549: paste the link it gives you here (it's a terminal -> web pastebin utility)
[14:25] <qwebirc38549> sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.comm 9999 -> Name or service not known
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc38549: an m too much
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> .com
[14:29] <EriC^^> qwebirc38549: you had a typo, termbin.com  not .comm
[14:31] <qwebirc38549> tried both .com and .comm, same result.  Maybe I have to do something first
[14:32] <qwebirc38549> I have booted with usb and am in Ubuntu using terminal
[14:32] <qwebirc38549> From here I can see my disk and partitions
[14:33] <qwebirc38549> But termbin.com doesnt seem to work
[14:33] <cryptodan> qwebirc38549: you have a dns issue with your network as its not finding the address replace termbin.com with 5.39.93.71
[14:35] <noals> it's working, thx for the help. i guess it was just the secure boot that was messing with the installation.
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the feedback noals
[14:36] <noals> nop, cya ^^
[14:37] <qwebirc38549> sudo parted -ls | nc 5.39.93.71  seems to have connected
[14:37] <caroga> lotuspsychje, I just booted my system with acpi=off in the kernel params and the problem exists. I don't know if you remember me, but I'm trying to find a solution to my touchpad not working.
[14:37] <qwebirc38549> sudo parted -ls | nc 5.39.93.71  seems to have connected, I get a bunch of usage: nc info
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> caroga: have you been able to update your bios to latest?
[14:38] <caroga> lotuspsychje, yes, it already was to the latest version available.
[14:38] <cryptodan> qwebirc38549: you also need the port number 9999
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> caroga: did we make a bug # for you?
[14:39] <caroga> lotuspsychje, nope :)
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> caroga: could you make one please? ubuntu-bug linux
[14:40] <qwebirc38549> cryptodan, do I add port 9999 to end of terminal string? ie. .5.39.93.71 9999?
[14:40] <cryptodan> yes qwebirc38549
[14:41] <caroga> lotuspsychje, working on it
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> caroga: after that, apport will transfer you to launchpad, where you can add a title and your bug story
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> caroga: feel free to share the bug id to the channel after okay
[14:44] <caroga> lotuspsychje, will do, thanks!
[14:46] <qwebirc38549> cryptodan, sudo parted -ls | nc .5.39.93.71 9999 gives me new command line
[14:46] <qwebirc38549> cryptodan, sudo parted -ls | nc .5.39.93.71 9999 gives me new command line
[14:47] <qwebirc38549> cryptodan, sudo parted -ls | nc .5.39.93.71 9999 gives me new command line
[14:47] <cryptodan> qwebirc38549: it should produce a link
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> !pastebin | qwebirc38549 another method
[14:49] <qwebirc38549> cryptodan, lotuspsychje, ubottu,  will login from affected computer querie from there.
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc38549: did you sit on antoher computer?
[14:50] <sachin> how to install codeblock?
[14:51] <qwebirc38549> lotuspsychje, yes, did search from a connected computer
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> !info codeblocks | sachin this?
[14:52] <sachin> yes, how to install on ubuntu 16.04 64bit
[14:53] <caroga> lotuspsychje, I found some related bug actually, will take a look into that first.
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> sachin: sudo apt install codeblocks
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> caroga: can you hand us that bug id?
[14:54] <sachin> lotuspsychje: Thank you very much for your kind support.
[14:54] <caroga> lotuspsychje, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/717931
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> thats what the channel is for sachin ; )
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> caroga: bug is old & invalid, better file a new one for your machine/kernel
[14:56] <caroga> lotuspsychje, understood. Will try adding the kernel line as described here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/717931/comments/21
[14:56] <caroga> after that i will upload bug
[14:56] <EriC^^> qwebirc38549: can you pastebin the stuff from "sudo parted -ls" in http://paste.ubuntu.com?
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> good idea caroga
[14:57] <caroga> lotuspsychje, just to be clear, I can edit /etc/default/grub and add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT right ?
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> !kernelparm | caroga
[14:59] <caroga> ow yeah, I need to reboot anyway xD
[14:59] <caroga> brb!
[15:02] <MJCD> Hey
[15:02] <MJCD> i'm trying to set up xorg+fluxbox on a server build
[15:02] <MJCD> oh and lightdm
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> MJCD: join #ubuntu-server please
[15:03] <MJCD> i've gotten it to give me a graphical login screen
[15:03] <MJCD> but it says session failed
[15:03] <MJCD> or failed to start session
[15:04] <caroga> lotuspsychje, doesnt work. too bad :(
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> caroga: allright, tnx for trying anyway, things you can add in your own bug
[15:06] <cmrabet> Hi all
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> welcome cmrabet what can we do for you?
[15:07] <cmrabet> Running 18 on a Lenovo Laptop and Dockstation with 2 external monitors, one in portrait mode. Today this stopped working, as soon as I close the lid of the laptop, the two screens loose signal, and Ubuntu hangs. The only solution is to reboot. This setup has been working fine for months, and today it stopped. My system is up to date, I even replaced the dockstation, still the same results. Any idea how I can troublehoot this? Thanks.
[15:08] <TJ-> afx zooper  There's a test kernel being prepared so watch the bug report for updates
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> cmrabet: bios up to date?
[15:09] <cmrabet> lotuspsychje, I didn't change it, it was working before.. why now?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> cmrabet: did it happen after the updates to -44 kernel?
[15:10] <MJCD> aha a third reboot did the trick
[15:11] <cmrabet> lotuspsychje, when was that update released?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> cmrabet: i had them yesterday, you can check your dpkg log perhaps
[15:11] <cmrabet> lotuspsychje, ok, let me check
[15:11] <TJ-> cmrabet: known bug in 4.15.0-44 - being worked on
[15:12] <TJ-> cmrabet: use the -43 kernel for now, see Bug #1813765
[15:12] <cmrabet> TJ-, thanks, how can I revert back to 43?
[15:13] <TJ-> cmrabet: older kernels are still installed, you can choose them from the GRUB boot menu's Advanced sub-menu at boot-time, or set it as the default (for now) via GRUB_DEFAULT= in /etc/default/grub
[15:13] <cmrabet> TJ, thanks, I will try that!
[15:14] <cmrabet> TJ-, my GRUB_DEFAULT is set to 0, does that mean to load the latest one?
[15:16] <zooper> TJ-: Perfect! Thanks for the update
[15:18] <caroga> lotuspsychje, what was that package name to display system information on cmd ?
[15:20] <gigirock> sachin , sudo apt install codeblocks
[15:20] <gigirock> ops
[15:21] <TJ-> cmrabet: Yes, you change that option to something like GRUB_DEFAULT="0>2" (unfortunately the GNU web-site is not properly responding right now so I cannot link you to the docs on 'default'
[15:21] <mrlpbt> hey, anyone else got problems with kernel 4.15.0-44?
[15:21] <mrlpbt> updated yesterday and after energysaving (monitors off) my notebook didnt wake up again :/
[15:21] <mrlpbt> now i was go back to 43. here everything is fine.
[15:22] <cmrabet> TJ-, got you thanks, in my case is 1>2
[15:23] <TJ-> cmrabet: subscribe to the bug report and there will be test kernels available shortly
[15:24] <SachinPanday> is ubuntu 16.04 support firewall, how to enable or install it?
[15:24] <cmrabet> I'm going to reboot now to see if it works, 43
[15:24] <cmrabet> be back
[15:24] <cmrabet> thanks
[15:25] <TJ-> !info ufw | SachinPanday
[15:26] <OerHeks> SachinPanday, install gufw, the gui, and enable it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gufw
[15:27] <SachinPanday> OerHeks: how?
[15:27] <SachinPanday> OerHeks: enable?
[15:27] <OerHeks> SachinPanday, how about looking at that wiki?
[15:27] <ioria> TJ-, maybe the test kernel already available: do you know this  ?: https://people.canonical.com/~khfeng/lp1813663/
[15:28] <caroga> lotuspsychje, OerHeks, I'm reporting a bug, should I include the output from inxi -f or does the ubuntu-bug already gather and include that information ?
[15:28] <SachinPanday> OerHeks: thanks i'm installing using Terminal
[15:39] <TJ-> ioria: It does look like it, I've linked them
[15:40] <ioria> oky
[15:40] <bulletxt> Hi, in ubuntu 16.04 server I have a smb entry like:   //server0   /mnt/p111   cifs   noauto,user,credentials=/opt/datacredential 0 0  . If I use sudo mount  //server0  it works. If I try without sudo it says:   /server0  no such file or directory. how can that be? thanks
[15:42] <happycoder> I have a laptop with nvme drive. It shows up as a single 256GB nvme drive in windows device manager and disk manager. In BIOS it is set to Raid On instead of AHCI. During install, ubuntu is not showing the drive. lsblk also doesnt show the drive. Is it possible to install ubuntu into this drive?
[15:43] <OerHeks> happycoder, sure, change raid to ahci
[15:43] <happycoder> But that breaks windows, it shows problem with boot medium
[15:43] <OerHeks> that might force you to reinstall windows, i don't know if windows survives that step
[15:44] <happycoder> oh
[15:44] <OerHeks> yes, no solution there
[15:44] <cmrabet> TJ-, reverting back to 43 worked!
[15:44] <cmrabet> TJ-, thanks again
[15:44] <compdoc> happycoder, on one of my systems, I have to set legacy or UEFI boot to the right settings, or the system wont see the drive
[15:44] <cmrabet> TJ-, my external monitors are working again
[15:44] <OerHeks> uefi, just disable fastboot
[15:45] <happycoder> Doesn't ubuntu support intel rapid storage technology?
[15:45] <woenx> Hey. I'm tring to run a command at startup as root. I added the path the script at crontab. The script is being executed (it appears in /var/log/syslog), but it is not working. How can i see the output of the script?
[15:46] <caroga_> woenx, make it write output to a log file ?
[15:46] <OerHeks> happy, no
[15:47] <woenx> caroga_, I tried, but I can 't see anything
[15:48] <woenx> i'll reboot one more time
[15:49] <zooper> TJ-: the new kernel build seems to have solved the issues i had. I will comment on the bug report per your instruction.
[15:50] <woenx> caroga_, there is no output. I wrote echo ¨start"and echo "stop" at the beggining and end of the script respectively and these are written to a log file, but nothing in between
[15:51] <woenx> I am trying to run the command wrmsr
[15:51] <woenx> I'll try with the full path, just in case
[15:52] <Rumen> Hello
[15:52] <Rumen> How to find which program freeze my computer?
[15:52] <woenx> freeze, as completely frozen, or it just slows down?
[15:52] <OerHeks> woenx, seems like a known issue, sudo modprobe msr  >>>https://askubuntu.com/questions/789888/wrmsr-not-working-since-upgrade-to-ubuntu-16-04
[15:52] <Rumen> completely
[15:53] <woenx> OerHeks, oh, but wrmsr works if I run the script from a terminal. It just doesn't work from CRON
[15:54] <woenx> now I used the full path to the command in the script, just in case
[15:55] <Rumen> sudo: rdmsr: command not found
[15:56] <Blueking> are there ways to find out what chip is inside these nic's ? https://www.newegg.com/global/no-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156547
[15:56] <woenx> OerHeks, it was that, crontab needed the full path to the bin
[15:56] <Rumen> sudo modprobe msr - what should I get?
[15:56] <EriC^^> woenx: do /path/to/command >/path/to/log 2>&1
[15:56] <EriC^^> woenx: oh nevermind
[15:56] <woenx> EriC^^, it works now, thanks
[15:56] <EriC^^> cool
[15:57] <woenx> how come cron doesn't find the binaries without a full path?
[15:57] <woenx> it's not the first time it happens
[15:58] <OerHeks> Rumen, journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot, or: systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg # for a graphic boot picture
[15:58] <hggdh> woenx:cron cleans up he environment before executing your commands. The best is to set PATH at the beginning of your script/command
[15:59] <woenx> aha
[16:03] <osse> Sometimes when I log in the screen goes blank and I have no choice but to poweroff my computer. After the fact, what would be the best way to debug this?
[16:04] <Rumen> sorry disappeared, but freeze again .... so I made hard restart and it freeze onthe login and restart again  ... so I back  .... for now
[16:04] <OerHeks> Rumen, journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot, or: systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg # for a graphic boot picture
[16:07] <tehrandom> Hello fine people, quick question.   Created an Ubuntu 18.04 server, and converted it to be a VMWare Template.   When I generate clones of it, they have the same /etc/machine-id
[16:09] <OerHeks> tehrandom, that sounds logical, but, you can change it, maybe this page is a help https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/402999/it-is-ok-to-change-etc-machine-id
[16:09] <qwebirc87315> Hello werld
[16:10] <ubuntu> hello
[16:10] <gijoe3k> Is there a place somewhere on the outernet that would show me status of the official builds of the newest Firefox 65?
[16:10] <Flo_Sc> Is there a way to swap the left and the right alt key?
[16:11] <qwebirc87315> Were there clones?
[16:11] <gijoe3k> I noticed that the newest Firefox has been released but no updates coming down yet....curious for future reference :)
[16:11] <Flo_Sc> background: German (Macintosh) uses the right alt key to type ¡²³¼[]|{}}\...
[16:11] <OerHeks> gijoe3k, just be patient, i guess
[16:11] <qwebirc87315> == mtn-man
[16:12] <qwebirc87315> didn't work!
[16:12] <tehrandom> Oer, I saw that same thing, but what i'm looking for is a way to have it generated at boot, since by the time i can change it, it has already pulled an IP and registered w/ that machine id
[16:12] <tehrandom> ubuntu 16.04 did not have the same drama
 just freeze again and again restart ... can I see from last session which program crashed? Some log file?
[16:13] <OerHeks> tehrandom, correct, machine id came with systemd
[16:13] <OerHeks> tehrandom, why change it at boot?
[16:13] <tehrandom> oer: which is fine, but I don't know why it's passing machine-id to dhcp server instead of mac address
[16:13] <tehrandom> I am cloning the ubuntu template 3  - 4  vms at a time
[16:13] <tehrandom> then those vms get thrown away, and we clone again
[16:14] <tehrandom> right now, when the vms boot, they all pull the same IP from dhcp and stomp on each other
[16:14] <TJ-> tehrandom: see "man 5 machine-id" and in particular, possibly kernel command-line option "systemd.machine_id= ..."
[16:14] <OerHeks> tehrandom, make 4 vm's with different ID's? just a thought
[16:14] <tehrandom> OerHeks, we do this 50 times a day
[16:15] <tehrandom> *EVERY* other linux distro i have doing this is behaving properly.  Only ubuntu18 seems to be making this a problem.   Is there a way to have dhcp-client pass MAC address like it used to instead of machine-id?
[16:16] <leftyfb> tehrandom: yes, there is
[16:16] <leftyfb> tehrandom: https://superuser.com/questions/1338510/wrong-ip-address-from-dhcp-client-on-ubuntu-18-04  # first result on google.
[16:17] <maetthew> Anyone had this error before trying to install new addons(themes, widgets etc) in Kubuntu 18.04? "Unknown Open Collaboration Service API error" https://imgur.com/7UCBfsn
[16:17] <TJ-> tehrandom: the change in dhclient of passing machine IDs can be over-ridden with a dhclient.conf option . Can't recall the option but I do recall it is set to "= hardware"
[16:17] <leftyfb> TJ-: it's in the netplan config per the link I just posted
[16:18] <OerHeks> oh nice, netplan
[16:18] <gijoe3k> @OerHeks, good advice for sure. But I'm more interested in the development process of Ubuntu updates. I would like to see and learn how update, like Firefox, are processed in Ubuntu or any other distro for that matter.
[16:19] <legreffier> netplan should let Network manager deal with it (so you can control your wifi without getting to admin account)
[16:19] <leftyfb> legreffier: this is a server
[16:19] <legreffier> oh disregard then
[16:19] <OerHeks> gijoe3k, contact the team?  https://launchpad.net/firefox
[16:19] <tehrandom> tj and lefyfb, thank you very much
[16:20] <gijoe3k> @OerHeks, Something like forum, Riot channel, discord channel or something that i can watch and learn from. :)
[16:20] <OerHeks> gijoe3k, you can take a look at the ppa https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=bionic
[16:20] <TJ-> leftyfb:  tehrandom yes, and the actual setting for dhclient is "send dhcp-client-identifier = hardware;"
[16:20] <blackflow> tehrandom: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machine-id.html    there's some services you can enable for autoconfig of machine-id on first boot?
[16:20] <OerHeks> gijoe3k,  or go wild on FF 66 https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next?field.series_filter=bionic
[16:21] <OerHeks> but those are testing, just a warning
[16:21] <blackflow> tehrandom: regardless of dhcp, it'd be wise you don't have multiple VMs with teh same machine-id anyway
[16:22] <LOOMIS> hola
[16:22] <mint_> lomis
[16:22] <tehrandom> blackflow: while I understand what you're saying, the only thing these vms do is check out a chunk of code, compile it, run it, and feed the results back to a jenkins instance, then get deleted
[16:23] <tehrandom> looks like Canonical needs to make a sysprep equivalent if they're going to continue down this path
[16:25] <mint_> hello
[16:25] <mint_> hkhk.hkljkljlkjkl/jlkjlj;lj;lk;k;kl;kjlkjlkjhjfhdygujkhniljo
[16:25] <blackflow> tehrandom: right but if there's a service you can run on first boot, then you've solved the issue
[16:26] <mint_> gghghkgkjjhjhhljlklkjlkjjlkjlkkjljlkjlkjkljlklkjjlkjlkjlkjlkjlkjlkjlkjkljkjkjkjkjkljkjkjkjkjkjkjlkjlkjkljlk
[16:26] <TJ-> tehrandom: you're starting 50 different virtual machines from a stateful image?
[16:26] <leftyfb> mint_: can we help you with someting?
[16:28] <tehrandom> tj: not all at once, but throughout a day, yeah
[16:29] <Rumen> Here is the result from the svg file, but I don't see what's wrong? http://www.filedropper.com/fileplot
[16:29] <TJ-> tehrandom: that is going to be part of the problem, usually when using a single image for multiple VMs the base image is stateless. Otherwise, even if machine-id isn't set by the installation process, it will be set on 1st boot
[16:30] <TJ-> tehrandom: do the images need to be stateful?
[16:30] <Rumen> Sorry delay, but 7-8 times freeze / restart
[16:31] <OerHeks> Rumen, that file is corrupt, paste it on imgur.com ?
[16:31] <tehrandom> tj: they need to NOT be stateful
[16:31] <OerHeks> and i do not visit filedropper ever again
[16:32] <tehrandom> tj: the idea is that we're compiling the code in a clean environment every time, with no remnants of previous builds
[16:32] <Rumen> it should be SVG right?
[16:32] <blackflow> tehrandom: just remove machine-id from the VM image and have it autocreated on first boot?
[16:32] <OerHeks> Rumen, yes
[16:34] <TJ-> tehrandom: in which case I'd use LVM (or other) snapshot based images so the systems always boot from a pristine image. However, you can workaround the machine-id issue by 1) making /etc/machine-id an *empty* file and 2) making it immutable ("chattr +i /etc/machine-id"). In the case where systemd cannot write to the file it'll bind-mount a temporary file with the runtime generated machine-id
[16:36] <Rumen> In ink I see it like that https://imgur.com/a/eW679Jq
[16:36] <Rumen> Where I want to upload it doesn't give
[16:39] <Rumen> Here is the SVG as text https://pastebin.com/TUfva3nf
[16:39] <OerHeks> both are unreadable :-(
[16:41] <qwebirc87315> New to ubuntu, glad to be back on linux.  Installed Ubuntu on partition 2 via usb.  Can see disk partitions, install looks successful but cannot boot to disk,  partitions show as not mounted.  Ubuntu Boot-repair unsuccessful.  I am wondering what to try next, would really like to avoid erasing win partition even though I,m feed up with Microsoft!
[16:42] <Rumen> Did I save it somehow wrong? But why I see it localy?
[16:44] <TJ-> Rumen: in your pastebin line 1 is blank, that needs to be <?xml version ...
[16:44] <Rumen> If you take the text from here https://pastebin.com/TUfva3nf and save it as SVG file it should be readable
[16:45] <TJ-> Rumen: It works fine if I delete the first line
[16:45] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: can you provide more information? like how your system boots?
[16:45] <Kartagis> hi
[16:46] <Rumen> Aha 1-st raw was empty here is OK https://pastebin.com/D8ZK6f8a
[16:46] <TJ-> Rumen: did you show a kernel log (from 'dmesg' or 'journalctl -b') because I suspect you've got I/O errors from sda
[16:46] <TJ-> Rumen: kernel takes 13 seconds to complete starting, then the sda1 device takes a very long time
[16:48] <Kartagis> how can I find out what deleted this particular file? I got this from audit.log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S8TSNmRM4r/
[16:50] <qwebirc87315> ryuo, if I try to boot without usb, I get stuck in bios. With usb I can boot and use ubuntu.  I can check my disk and still see old win partition 1 and new ubuntu partition 2. both partitions are labelled Not-mounted.
[16:51] <zeroquake> Hey is there a terminal similar to terminator which can save current setup along with its working directories? which kinda has one click save ?
[16:51] <TJ-> Kartagis: we'd need to see more context from the logs
[16:51] <EoflaOE> qwebirc87315: If you said "get stuck in BIOS", did you mean that you're stuck during POST? or after POST?
[16:52] <Rockabilly> zeroquake: You might get more responses to that question in  ##linux.
[16:52] <zeroquake> thank you
[16:53] <Kartagis> TJ-: http://paste.debian.net/1063309/ are the only references
[16:53] <ioria> Kartagis, maybe a user with a '33' id and check the 'type=SYSCALL' for the cmd issued
[16:54] <qwebirc87315> EoflaOE, I mean I can't boot from there
[16:54] <Kartagis> Iolo: 33 is www-data
[16:54] <qwebirc87315> EoflaOE, I get to bios pages but don't see disks
[16:55] <ioria> Kartagis,i see, and the syscall line is truncated ?
[16:56] <ryuo> zeroquake: you mean, something that tries to save your terminal session?
[16:56] <Kartagis> ioria: http://paste.debian.net/1063310/
[16:57] <TJ-> Kartagis: I'd try "journalctl --since "15:07" --until "15:09"  "
[16:57] <ioria> Kartagis, comm="php-fpm7.0"
[16:57] <Kartagis> ioria: does it mean php deleted it?
[16:57] <ioria> Kartagis, afaik
[16:57] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: ok... can you give us the URL from this: fdisk -l | pastebinit
[16:57] <zeroquake> ryuo More like split terminals setups along with the working directories of each terminal , terminator is very wonky , it does save the terminals setup but not its working directories
[16:58] <ioria> Kartagis, not an expert  of audit
[16:58] <zeroquake> Linux channel suggested tmux with tmux-resurrect and tmux-continuum plugins
[16:58] <ryuo> zeroquake: i only know of one terminal emulator that may be advanced enough for your purposes. konsole.
[16:58] <ryuo> zeroquake: recent versions have split terminal views, and have saved terminal sessions to some degree for years.
[16:58] <mint_> jkafkjasljsajljfjafdjafdjdfjafjlkafjafjfj;lfj
[16:59] <zeroquake> ryuo will check that out as well. Thank you
[16:59] <ioria> Kartagis, unless there is anothe syscall line after PATH
[16:59] <ryuo> zeroquake: it's the default terminal of kubuntu even.
[16:59] <Kartagis> I've literally no idea how my code could delete that file
[16:59] <mint_> jfesjdjskjfkj;l;lkefj;klef;qjk;kl;kl;ldw;;kl;kjel
[16:59] <mint_> kledlknacnldnlkqdwlkqdwlkjdlkasklaslkalkdmkdwkmdwkmdwkmmkd
[17:00] <ryuo> mint_: stop spamming.
[17:00] <mint_> stop spamming
[17:01] <mint_> weFKJEFSKJSDLKDSLKJSFJLKSDFLKJSDJLKDSJK
[17:01] <ryuo> any ops around?
[17:01] <caroga_> !ops
[17:01] <OerHeks> mint_, please play in an other channel, keep this channel free for ubuntu support, thanks
[17:01] <mint_> smettila
[17:01] <mint_> smettila
[17:03] <qwebirc87315> ryuo, sorry, I get E: Unable to laocate package pasebinit when I attempt to instal
[17:03] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: did you type pastebinit correctly? it should be installed.
[17:04] <teward> qwebirc87315: you misspelled 'pastebinit'
[17:07] <qwebirc87315> ryou, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bxVNhTWqg9/
[17:08] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: i don't think ubuntu installed correctly. there's not enough space for it on that partition.
[17:09] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: was there anything important on the windows partition?
[17:10] <qwebirc87315> ryuo, Oh yes!
[17:10] <albech> anyone know how to push dns servers obtained from openvpn lease as the primary dns servers? this problem was introduced with 17.08 with systemd. In 16.04 the problem was fixed by disabling dnsmasq. as you can see the dns is passed on to the client, it just doesnt get queried. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJWbTkW4Hs/ i can dig at the two dns's manually.
[17:10] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: if you really want to dual boot, it's doable, but it's a bit of mess.
[17:11] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: it'll require reworking your partitions at the very least.
[17:11] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: what version of windows is installed?
[17:12] <jere> hey
[17:12] <qwebirc87315> ryuo, is the 105 MB I see on partition 2 not enough space?
[17:13] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: indeed. Ubuntu Desktops normally require several gigabytes for the system files alone.
[17:13] <OerHeks> standard install ould like 10 gb+
[17:13] <OerHeks> c/would
[17:14] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: now, what can you tell me about the windows partition?
[17:15] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: If you want to dual boot, i would suggest preallocating partitions for windows and ubuntu, and then reinstalling Windows.
[17:15] <ryuo> but, how practical this is depends on your situation.
[17:16] <aldcor> hello! I shifted from ubuntu wayland to i3. Is there a way to use same drivers in i3 that ubuntu wayland desktop uses? Without it i got screen tears. I have intel and nvidia. Currently using intel. And on settings details is said its huawess mobile or smth.
[17:16] <ryuo> this is how i always handled it, when i actually cared to dual boot.
[17:17] <aldcor> When i was on wayland, its settings said video driver ir mobile smth
[17:18] <qwebirc87315> ryou, looks like partition sizes have been changed.  If I recall I had about 60/40 from 1000 GB NTFS
[17:19] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: i see. is there anything important on the windows partition?
[17:19] <qwebirc87315> ryou, yes, I am hoping to retrieve many files
[17:20] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: ok... maybe you can. you can mount the NTFS partition from ubuntu, read only at least.
[17:20] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: if you have another drive or network share handy, you can try copying them.
[17:21] <qwebirc87315> ryou, how might I mount the NTFS partition?
[17:22] <qwebirc87315> ryou, from Ubuntu on flash
[17:23] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: it may be an option from the file manager, w/e your flavor uses. otherwise you can mount it from the terminal.
[17:24] <qwebirc87315> ryou, does this look correct: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bxVNhTWqg9/
[17:24] <ryuo> it should be /dev/sda4.
[17:25] <qwebirc87315> ryou, found this: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-mount-partition-with-ntfs-file-system-and-read-write-access
[17:26] <Deihmos> anyone know what this means in fstab x-gvfs-show
[17:26] <Deihmos> cannot find an explanation
[17:27] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: yes, that seems relevant.
[17:27] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: so, what you can do is, mount it via GUI or shell and copy your user files to somewhere external.
[17:28] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: after that it depends whether you want to dual boot or not.
[17:29] <qwebirc87315> ryou, thanks, at least I could maybe save all documents!
[17:31] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: what version of windows were you using? windows 10?
[17:32] <qwebirc87315> ryou, yes, windows 10
[17:33] <craigbass76> Is there any way to just have sound playing out of and receiving signal from ALL outputs and inputs?
[17:33] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: ah. well, you can either let ubuntu wipe the whole installation, or you can do the prep work for dual boot, which is somewhat tedious to get working.
[17:33] <ryuo> qwebirc87315: the ISOs for windows 10 can be gotten from their website.
[17:36] <OerHeks> craigbass76, open terminal: alsamixer # and go wild
[17:36] <craigbass76> OerHeks, are these things getting muted as I pick other choices in the GUI tool?
[17:37] <craigbass76> Everything is pushed up appropriately in alsamixer
[17:38] <TJ-> Deihmos: it's a GVFS mount option that controls whether or not Gnome Files shows the mounts, and is related to gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
[17:38] <OerHeks> craigbass76, i think it should work, and not being muted
[17:38] <Deihmos> I see
[17:40] <craigbass76> OerHeks, I'm listening to audio in my phones, then put a plantronics headset on to make a Slack call, and I have no sound until i get into the GUI tool. Headphones will be currently selected, and I've got to select Plantronics blahdyblah before I hear anything.
[17:41] <OerHeks> so, you want an automated switch to the plantronic headset for a call
[17:42] <craigbass76> Yeah, either than or just have it always on.
[17:42] <craigbass76> Leave less to chance. It's only really on when I press the button anyway
[17:43] <OerHeks> isn't it just a press on 'M' for mute? https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/115003498363-Slack-Calls-the-basics-
[17:47] <TJ-> craigbass76: there is a pulseaudio module/options to cover what you want, but you'll need to dig a bit to find the exact details
[17:49] <craigbass76> OerHeks, Yeah, maybe, but sometimes I make Hangouts calls, and sometimes it's Zoom. It's be easier to just have it always on and ready to go when I hit the power button on my headset. Going to dig into what TJ said, and fondly remember when sound was just ALSA... :)
[17:49] <solidfox> hello is there a way to easily type exponents with my keyboard like this: 2²
[17:49] <TJ-> craigbass76: as I recall, if you want output to switch to the newly connected device you need "load-module module-switch-on-connect"
[17:49] <TJ-> solidfox: you've already covered that question in ##linux :)
[17:49] <solidfox> TJ-: nobody gave me an answer
[17:50] <craigbass76> TJ-, There's no way to just have it always on, whether the headset is actually powered on or not?
[17:50] <solidfox> TJ-: then we started arguing about the meaning of "i.e."
[17:50] <craigbass76> solidfox, is this in a terminal?
[17:50] <solidfox> craigbass76: anywhere.
[17:50] <solidfox> in every program
[17:50] <TJ-> solidfox: Generally in a GUI its via a meta/modifier key
[17:51] <solidfox> TJ-: so its not possible
[17:51] <solidfox> and each application needs to implement it itself
[17:51] <craigbass76> In LibreOffice, I set up a shortcut Ctrl Alt Uparrow. I don't use exponents, but write chord charts for studio work, and have a lot of C-7b5 type stuff. Everything after - would be superscript in that instance.
[17:51] <OerHeks> alt-gr + 2 gives ²
[17:51] <solidfox> OerHeks: whats alt-gr?
[17:51] <craigbass76> 2
[17:51] <solidfox> oh i have that key
[17:51] <solidfox> never noticed it
[17:51] <OerHeks> your right alt key
[17:52] <OerHeks> :-)
[17:52] <TJ-> OerHeks: depends on the mapping; it doesn't for me
[17:52] <craigbass76> RIghthand Alt and 2 ?
[17:52] <solidfox> OerHeks: when i press alt gr + 2 it switches to my 2nd buffer in weechat
[17:52] <lordcirth_> Yeah, it changes my IRC channel
[17:52] <craigbass76> hexchat too, unless I screwed it up.
[17:52] <solidfox> OerHeks: in kate it just types the normal number 2
[17:53] <OerHeks> oh, i have no knowledge about other progams-keys-mapping interference
[17:53] <craigbass76> My chordcharting thins is about to change anyway. Thinking of doing markdown charts
[17:53] <solidfox> is it possible i can create the mapping at the system level and dont allow applications to take it over?
[17:54] <craigbass76> There's got to be. I was just reading a tweet this week about switching alt and ctrl keys in Ubuntu, so what you need must be possible
[17:55] <OerHeks> TJ-, i guess i have en_US with dead keys
[17:55] <TJ-> craigbass76: There are other options (for PA) to output to all sinks
[17:57] <allentristen> yuj
[17:57] <allentristen> Mmm..........
[17:57] <TJ-> craigbass76: e.g. for known fixed sinks (those that don't come and go) "load-module module-combine-sink named=combind" and set 'combined' as the default, but I don't think that can cope with sinks coming and going
[17:58] <solidfox> i can kind of do it with my japanese input
[18:02] <solidfox> im creating a virtual keyboard so that i can use it and press shift + number or letter for the superscript
[18:07] <strangerr> does the output from gnutls-cli-debug here indicate the server does NOT allow TLS 1.2? => https://termbin.com/gzgb
[18:09] <gnyppierdolony> hi
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> welcome gnyppierdolony
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> gnyppierdolony: how can we help you today?
[18:10] <gnyppierdolony> Im just enjoying
[18:10] <gnyppierdolony> for the first time since last 10 years :)
[18:11] <nicomachus> can I get more info about RAM than what lshw provides? Trying to find enough info to find an exact match online, but lshw only shows `A1_PartNum1` and `A1_SerNum1` instead of actual part numbers or serial numbers.
[18:11] <gnyppierdolony> and its time to get back to wirk
[18:11] <gnyppierdolony> work
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: can this help: sudo dmidecode --type memory
[18:13] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: I knew there was something. Thanks friend.
[18:15] <TJ-> nicomachus: there's tools to read the DRAM SPID too
[18:15] <nicomachus> ah, I ran it first on my laptop and got all the info, but when I tried on the remote PC it still has placeholder values.
[18:16] <ioria> decode-dimms
[18:16] <TJ-> that's the one, in i2-tools
[18:17] <TJ-> grr, i2c-tools
[18:17] <ioria> iirc it needs to modprobe manually eeprom and i2c-i801
[18:18] <nicomachus> ioria: that would explain the error I just got. :)
[18:19] <ioria> ok
[18:20] <ioria> nicomachus,  sudo modprobe eeprom    and  sudo modprobe i2c-i801   then run  decode-dimms
[18:21] <nicomachus> ahhh there we go. Got all the info now.
[18:21] <nicomachus> Thanks ioria and TJ-
[18:21] <ioria> nicomachus,  no prob
[18:21] <nicomachus> Still no part number, but I at least have a manufacturer and other specs to narrow it down with.
[18:22] <TJ-> nicomachus: part numbers are generally on-label things, until you get down to the individual chips
[18:24] <nicomachus> TJ-: I can get it for my laptop RAM just from lshw.
[18:27] <ioria> nicomachus,  you don't get the Part Number ?
[18:27] <nicomachus> ioria: no, it says Undefined.
[18:30] <ioria> nicomachus,  usually is the vendor/manufacturer undefined .... can you paste the output ?
[18:30] <knstn> Hey, what daemon does 18.10 use for time-sync? I don't see neither of sntpd,ntpd,chronyd installed.
[18:31] <nicomachus> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2rtX2P9GzK/
[18:32] <lordcirth_> knstn, systemd-timesyncd
[18:36] <knstn> lordcirth_: nice, another service on top of the rest to learn...
[18:42] <ioria> nicomachus,  honestly, no idea .   sudo dmidecode -t 17 | grep 'Part Number'     works ?
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> ioria: works for me
[18:43] <ioria> lotuspsychje, i see tx
[18:44] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[18:45] <raddy> "/dev/xvdg       296G  277G  3.6G  99% /opt"
[18:45] <raddy> Here about 19 to 20GB free space is there
[18:45] <raddy> But it shows only 3GB as free space
[18:46] <raddy> Is ubuntu reserving some space ?
[18:46] <raddy> "/opt" is not root partition here
[18:47] <raddy> Can anybody shed some light on the same?
[18:47] <OerHeks> raddy, yes, inodes can take up hddspace, see df -i
[18:48] <raddy> OerHeks: Inodes  just taken 19M in my case
[18:50] <raub> Can the proc file be recreated if deleted?
[18:51] <EriC^^> raub: mount -t proc proc /proc
[18:54] <Squarism> anyone know how to make "ps" output memory in proper units like top
[18:55] <Squarism> kb/mb/gb...
[19:03] <qwebirc92232> hello. i'm a new ubuntu user and i've decided to put the most recent ubuntu LTS version on my 2010 macbook, but i need help dealing with specifics i cannot find online
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> ask in the channel qwebirc92232
[19:05] <coconut> qwebirc92232: you need the specs of your macbook?
[19:05] <kinghat> anyone here use zsh/ohmyzsh?
[19:06] <qwebirc92232> my macbook laptop has a completely inoperable screen, but the system is currently running fine without it. i want to install ubuntu (either headless or desktop) on a "live" USB drive, but i must set up both SSH and/or VNC *AND* the WPA2-Enterprise wifi config before I first boot up the machine (RE: broken screen)
[19:06] <qwebirc92232> it's here in my office at my university (i'm a graduate student)
[19:07] <qwebirc92232> and we have WPA2-Enterprise wifi and i do not have a ready access to an ethernet port
[19:08] <qwebirc92232> so i've already DLed the ubuntu .ISO and have etcher ready, etc. etc.
[19:08] <coconut> qwebirc92232: this isn't one for me... just hang in there.
[19:09] <qwebirc92232> but I need guidance to setup the WPA2-Enterprise connection on the USB device and SSH or VNC before i boot
[19:10] <qwebirc92232> will do - i'm happy to wait for the knowledge sponge to wring itself on my face
[19:12] <ryuo> qwebirc92232: afaik, you'll need to copy the certificate that they're using.
[19:12] <ryuo> qwebirc92232: though i don't generally use that form of WPA2, so i dunno.
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc92232: cant you attach an external monitor to it?
[19:13] <qwebirc92232> ryuo: OK, i can try that from my existing mac configuration (the machine i'm typing on now) but I may also have access to a linux box on an RPi
[19:13] <qwebirc92232> lotuspsychje: i could if i had one
[19:14] <ryuo> qwebirc92232: your university doesn't have instructions for Linux?
[19:14] <qwebirc92232> ryuo: sadly no
[19:15] <qwebirc92232> ryuo: well, yes it does, but only from within the desktop environment
[19:15] <ryuo> so, what's stopping you from copying the information you'll need now to use offline?
[19:16] <qwebirc92232> i know this is possible because people report doing this with a Raspberry Pi
[19:16] <qwebirc92232> ryuo: because the machine has no functional screen
[19:16] <ryuo> Then, how do you intend to use it?
[19:16] <qwebirc92232> ryuo: as a headless server and to run analysis on it
[19:16] <ryuo> I see.
[19:17] <ryuo> No external video either?
[19:17] <coconut> qwebirc92232: be aware, questions for dualbooting mac and linux is not a question i see asked for each day here.
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc92232: how about you install ubuntu-server and let the #ubuntu-server guys help you, they are used to the cli way
[19:18] <qwebirc92232> ryuo: negative.  my only options are 1) SSH or 2) VNC. But for 1) or 2) to work, i must have a wifi connection up and running
[19:18] <caroga_> lotuspsychje, I created the bug. Wanted to share the id with you but you were away
[19:18] <caroga_> lotuspsychje, so here goes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813783
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> caroga_: thank you for taking your time to file it, you helping yourself and the community this way, lemme have a look holdon
[19:18] <ryuo> qwebirc92232: oui. you got your work cut out for you then. you generally need some form of "screen" to know what's going on.
[19:19] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: if you can guarantee the Macbook will boot to a USB device installation, you could pre-install to USB flash device and add the certificate/connection to it before moving it to the Macbook
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> caroga_: i see you still are on -43 kernel, could you try to update your system please
[19:19] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: that USB would alrady have openssh-server installed and configured to bring up the network, then you can connect to it via ssh (assuming you can also discover its IP address) to do the install-proper to Macbook
[19:20] <caroga_> lotuspsychje, erm that's weird. let me check.
[19:20] <caroga_> brb
[19:20] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: yes, bingo! that's exactly what i'm after. but, i have no idea how to do that, where to place the credentials in the USB, whether i need to edit startup scripts (or even how to do so), etc. etc.
[19:20] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: i can indeed guarantee it's bootable from the USB
[19:20] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: Is your entire network relying on Wifi or can you also use Wired Ethernet?
[19:21] <ryuo> TJ-: they said no access to ethernet.
[19:21] <qwebirc92232> correct : i have no ethernet availability
[19:22] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: Do both the PC you're on, and the target PC, have wired Ethernet interfaces? If so you could directly connect them and use the USB method to gain SSH access without needing to pre-configure any Wifi credentials
[19:22] <qwebirc92232> i'm essentially in a broom closet in dusty corner of a social sciences building
[19:22] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: gigabit enthernet does auto-MDI-X (crossover), some older Fast Ethernet also does it (although it's not mandatory)
[19:23] <root> Hola
[19:24] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: this is good idea - yes, both machines have hot ports. could you elaborate some of what i'd need to do? i could scrounge an ethernet cord.
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[19:24] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: I'd have thought both PCs already have Ethernet ports so all you need is an Ethernet patch cable
[19:25] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: yes, this is the case, and yes, i should be able to find an ethernet cord PDQ
[19:25] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: Then the problem is reduced to using a Virtual machine guest on your current PC to install Ubuntu to the USB device (which would be 'attached' to the Virtual Machine)
[19:25] <sad> Holi
[19:26] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: but i should note that the WPA2 network forbids internet sharing, so i won't be able to share the internet connection from my desktop to the ubuntu laptop
[19:26] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: and using the "Try Ubuntu" entry-point of the installer, once it has installed you can use a Terminal to add the additional packages/config to guarantee the network would auto-start when booted on the broken Macbook
[19:26] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: ok i'm starting to see the light
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> caroga_: after updated and rebooted to -44 kernel, update your bug you tested on -44 and if it works or not okay
[19:27] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: That shouldn't be necessary, but it does complicate matters a little
[19:27] <Some_Person> A coworker and I with the same laptop model, both running Ubuntu 18.04, are seemingly having a major problem with kernel 4.15.0-44. With this kernel, the login screen comes up, but after putting in the password, we both get a black screen. 4.15.0-43 works fine. What should we do?
[19:27] <TJ-> Some_Person: do the PCs have Intel GPUs ?
[19:28] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: but can you take it from the top? let's say i've got the USB ready to go, the laptop is off, and i've got an ethernet cable connecting my desktop to the laptop. what do i do?
[19:28] <TJ-> Some_Person: and are they using multiple monitors?
[19:28] <Some_Person> I believe we have nvidia and intel graphics (not sure which is default), and yes, we are both using multiple monitors
[19:29] <Some_Person> I do not have the proprietary nvidia driver installed, only nouveau
[19:29] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: plug the USB into the Macbook (let's call it T for target) turn it on wait for it to boot. On your (S)ource PC  configure the Ethernet interface manually with an IP address in the same sub-net as has been set in T
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> Some_Person: is there a reason why you use nouveau on optimus card?
[19:30] <TJ-> Some_Person: we've hit a regression in -44 affecting Intel graphics with multi monitors
[19:30] <Some_Person> lotuspsychje: Haven't had any reason to bother installing the proprietary drivers
[19:30] <TJ-> Some_Person:  see Bug #1813745
[19:30] <caroga> lotuspsychje, I updated, no difference.
[19:30] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: how do i set the IP of the Target laptop before booting it ?
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> caroga: ok tnx for testing, can you add that to your bug too please?
[19:31] <caroga> lotuspsychje, already on it :D
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[19:31] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: whilst you are installing it via the Virtual Machine guest, you can add the static IP address config
[19:31] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: Is your (S)ource machine MacOSX or Linux?
[19:32] <Some_Person> The strange part is that we can both get to the login screen, just not any further
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> Some_Person: for optimus cards i would reccomend installing the nvidia driver, from there you can enable performance mode or powersaving mode
[19:32] <TJ-> Some_Person: the problem often occurs when the driver is trying to configure the outputs
[19:32] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: ohhh, i missed the VM part altogether. So, this would require me to get a VM and Vagrant (i suppose?) on mySource desktop first, right? i have no expereince with VMs... :-\
[19:33] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: no, nothing so complicated. What OS are you using? Things like VirtualBox are cross-platform hypervisors and make it easy
[19:33] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: you'd attach the USB device to the VM, and the Ubuntu ISO installer image file, and then run the installer in "Try Ubuntu" mode
[19:34] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: i'm using MacOS 10.13.6
[19:34] <caroga> lotuspsychje, it's there https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813783/comments/3
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> caroga: tnx, ill be bbl now ; )
[19:34] <caroga> thank you for your help. cya later!
[19:34] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: I presume MacOS has its own hypervisor too, but I've not touched it so can't advise on that. But a VM is the bets way to get the USB configured correctly and reliably first
[19:35] <sacarde> is possible to start ubuntu-18.04-dvd with wayland?
[19:35] <Some_Person> It's also not just my external monitors going undetected, I just flat out get a black screen even on the internal display, and I can't even get to a tty
[19:36] <TJ-> Some_Person: yes, that is one of the symptoms, the problem is due to incorrectly handling DPMS (Display Power Management )
[19:36] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: the (S) is Mac and (T) is Mac
[19:36] <TJ-> Some_Person: just boot to the older -43 kernels for now until the fix is released
[19:37] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: I thought so. So 1st step is to gain confidence in operating/creating virtual machine guest installs
[19:38] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: external monitor on T would be much simplier... can you not 'borrow' one from an unused PC for an hour?
[19:38] <Some_Person> Thanks!
[19:38] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: ok, so since i have zero exp. on this, how do you think i should proceed? also, i assume that i would need to have the Ubuntu 18 LTS "burned" to the USB before involving the VM, or no?
[19:40] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: also, at first, i thought you were suggesting to connect the (T) to the (S) via ethernet and assign the (T) an IP and hostname so that I could SSH to (T) from (S) using `ssh ubuntu@target.local`
[19:40] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: no. You'd download the Ubuntu installer ISO file. You'd then create a VM guest and attach this file to it as a virtual CD/DVD device, and attach the USB storage device too. The guest would boot from the CD/DVD installer image
[19:42] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: You'd boot the installer image in the "Try Ubuntu" mode which starts a 'live' desktop session, where there is an "Install Ubuntu" icon on the desktop which you'd use to install to the attached USB. After installer finishes you'd open a terminal and using the shell command-line manually do other steps to add the network configuration
[19:42] <TJ-> qwebirc92232: once that was done you'd shutdown the VM, take the USB to T and boot T. T would be connected to S with wire. On S you'd configure the IP address, and then be able to connect to T using SSH
[19:44] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: argh, that seems confusing but i'm open. would it be easier - if possible - to put the ISO on the USB, boot the (T), and try to SSH from the Source desktop through the ethernet cable? I seem to remember doing just that when setting up a raspberry pi (headless)
[19:44] <Some_Person> Is there any ETA for a -45 release fixing this btw?
[19:46] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: for Raspberry Pi, I recall setting up the USB, then with the USB on the (S) machine, going to the /boot folder of the USB and adding some wpa_supplicant.config or some such and that working.
[19:47] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: and also, i seem to remember simply connecting the RPi to the desktop with ethernet cord and being able to ssh right to the RPi
[19:48] <Prox_> hello i was wondering if there is a faster up-to-date network manager for ubuntu?
[19:52] <qwebirc92232> TJ-: i was hoping it would be somewhat like the RPi, so that I could either plug (S) and (T) with the ethernet cord and control the headless machine with SSH or editing a wpa_supplicant.config file (or whatever CLI tool to use) with the proper format that ubuntu needs. i should be able to get the credentila details from the IT support ppl on campus, but I don't know anything about the format/structure of the wpa_supplicant.conf
[19:55] <qwebirc67666> TJ-: sorry for the lapse - i'm the user trying to set up the headless dekstop on a broken macbook laptop
[19:58] <spinyship> Hello World
[20:03] <TJ-> qwebirc67666: the methods are different, For the RasPi I'd assume you had a prebuilt image written to the SD-card
[20:03] <qwebirc67666> TJ-: yes, and that's what I'm trying to do here with the v18 LTS - if possible
[20:04] <TJ-> qwebirc67666: for your no-display Macbook you've need to get a prebuilt image into it, which first requires a removable USB install that provides the network connection, from which you can *then* do an install to T's disk drive
[20:04] <OerHeks> one needs a working macbook to fiddle a working noninteractive image
[20:04] <TJ-> qwebirc67666: the other option of course is to remove the disk drive from T, connect it via an external caddy to another PC, and install to it that way, then move it back
[20:05] <qwebirc67666> TJ-: i want to stay using the USB "live" OS the whole time - I don't intend to wipe the macbook and install Ubuntu or even put a ubuntu version on the internal drive
[20:05] <OerHeks> "live image" with ssh access installed, i guess?
[20:06] <TJ-> qwebirc67666: in which case just installing to the USb will be sufficient then
[20:07] <TJ-> qwebirc67666: but you cannot use the 'live' environment for that since that doesn't retain any state, and you need state for the wifi side to work
[20:10] <resistor4u> TJ-: sorry AGAIN, i finally swtiched yo my IRC acct.
[20:12] <TJ-> resistor4u: you cannot use the 'live' environment for that since that doesn't retain any state, and you need state for the wifi side to work
[20:12] <resistor4u> TJ-: so yes, i'm trying to set up a "live" bootable with permanent ("persistent") storage on a removable USB to run on my old macbook with the broken screen
[20:12] <TJ-> resistor4u: so you do need to install properly to the USB
[20:13] <resistor4u> TJ-: i suppose so. the stuff google turns up for this all involve kali linux, but i think i just need ubuntu lol
[20:16] <OerHeks> you also need to make sure boot from usb is enabled, macbook and efi ..
[20:18] <OerHeks> press some keys to start live mode, keyboard, language ..
[20:18] <resistor4u> OerHeks: boot from USB is a setting I need to configure on the ubuntu USB image (e.g., by placing a file or altering some config), or from the Macbook end? Because I've booted from a USB on this macbook before.
[20:18] <resistor4u> OerHeks: also, this is a macbook with a broken screen - i.e., it doesn't work at all
[20:18] <OerHeks> oke, so boot is enabled, and you pressed some keys to continue
[20:19] <OerHeks> use an external screen?
[20:20] <resistor4u> OerHeks: no, i haven't done any of this because I'm trying to setup and configure a headless ubuntu machine with SSH and/or VNC enable and a WPA2-Enterprise connection configured before inserting the USB into the Macbook so that I can simply boot the machine from the USB and then SSH/VNC to the machine. there is no option for external screen and no ethernet availability
[20:21] <resistor4u> but I could connect the desktop PC to the laptop with an ethernet cord and try to SSH/VNC to it
[20:23] <OerHeks> that would require so much work, with a tool like cubic or mkusb and debootstrap, installing to a 2nd usb is smarter
[20:23] <resistor4u> OerHeks: what do you mean by a second USB?
[20:24] <OerHeks> to install to
[20:24] <resistor4u> OerHeks: but why a 2nd USB when i could just as easily use the first USB?
[20:25] <forgotmynick> In hosts.deny I have sshd: ALL EXCEPT /etc/whitelist. I want to now include a dynamic dns hostname. I tried adding the URL into the whitelist file and also with a leading dot but no avail. Is it possible to add this to the file or add multiple exceptions to the hosts.deny file ?
[20:25] <OerHeks> because your ssh and wireless question makes it almost impossible..
[20:26] <resistor4u> OerHeks: but this is more-or-less exactly what a friend and I did on a Raspberry Pi - could it really be that much different?
[20:26] <OerHeks> but oke, try a live iso with persistence part, https://askubuntu.com/questions/741753/how-to-use-cubic-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-image // https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb#Persistent_live_systems
[20:31] <resistor4u> OerHeks: for the RPi, it was simply these steps: 1) burn an OS image to a USB card using Etcher; 2) put the USB into a computer; 3) mount the USB; 4) change dirs to the /boot or /root folder of the bootable USB; 4) add a wpa_supplicant.config file with relevant details; 5) remove USB device and insert to RPi; 6) boot the RPi; 7) connect RPi via ethernet to a different computer; 8) ssh to the RPi via `ssh root@hostname.local`
[20:32] <OerHeks> but the live iso has no sshservice running
[20:34] <resistor4u> OerHeks: bingo. neither does the RPi by default. In the RPi running Raspbian,  you needed to add a file named .ssh_enable to the /boot folder and that's it. Surely there is something similar for Ubuntu??? Or some startup script I can edit before booting the machine??
[20:35] <OerHeks> no, there is no such thing AFAIK
[20:35] <resistor4u> OerHeks: and if not, then surely there's a way to pre-configure the WPA2-Enterprise connection before booting the machine so that I could then SSH/VNC to the booted machine via Wifi
[20:36] <OerHeks> this is running in circles
[20:36] <resistor4u> OerHeks: it's starting to, yes.
[20:36] <ioria> resistor4u,   openssh-server it's not installed (anymore) on the livecd
[20:37] <ioria> *included
[20:37] <resistor4u> ioria: aha, ok - so is it possible to include this without having to rebuild the kernel or something crazy?
[20:39] <ioria> resistor4u,  you need a custom image
[20:39] <OerHeks> make a live usb with persistence, write a script that installs the wpa suplicant, you need to put the deb in the persistance, setup a wireless user, install a ssh service, opens ports like "sudo ufw ssh enable" and make a ssh-user with password ...
[20:40] <OerHeks> but you still need to press some keys, to boot
[20:40] <Industrial> Hi. How do I find out (command line) 1) WHat graphics card I have 2) What driver I have and if it needs updating
[20:40] <resistor4u> OerHeks: right, like <opt> and maybe arrow over
[20:41] <ioria> resistor4u,  just popped in, but iiuc, you can install ubuntu on an external device, install what you want, configure autologin, plug the device in the broken pc, and wake on line
[20:41] <OerHeks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[20:41] <OerHeks> lspci | grep VGA # for the GPU
[20:41] <OerHeks> to see if there are drivers availabele : sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[20:42] <OerHeks> or go wild : sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall # and install the default drivers available automatic
[20:43] <alphazed1972> So I'm messing around with booting into recovery mode in ubuntu 18.04 - and a menu comes up that lets me drop into a root shell without requiring a password
[20:43] <alphazed1972> Is this secure?
[20:43] <resistor4u> ioria: cool. but how would i `dpkg -i` the .deb if i do not first have SSH/VNC connection?
[20:43] <TJ-> alphazed1972: that's the friendly-recovery package presents that.
[20:43] <ioria> resistor4u,  'install what you want'  part
[20:43] <OerHeks> alphazed1972, if you have choosen no encryption, yes, this is unsecure
[20:44] <tomreyn> alphazed1972: anyone with access to your computer can access its file systems, whether booting off hard disk or not, so allowing unauthenticated root access to it is not an issue.
[20:44] <TJ-> alphazed1972: in recovery mode you're operating at the same level as the init daemon, and 'root' (UID 0) account has no password
[20:44] <OerHeks> but encryption and messing things up is a bigger problem
[20:44] <resistor4u> ioria: there is no screen available...
[20:44] <ioria> resistor4u,  you use another pc
[20:44] <resistor4u> ioria: argh
[20:45] <alphazed1972> can I disable this behaviour
[20:45] <ioria> resistor4u,  you'll get it done in 25 min
[20:45] <alphazed1972> ?
[20:45] <resistor4u> ioria: and everyone is certain on here that no existing default Ubuntu official distribution has openssh already on it?
[20:45] <ioria> resistor4u,  frankly....maybe server ed
[20:45] <alphazed1972> #TJ
[20:45] <alphazed1972> ~TJ
[20:46] <TJ-> resistor4u: correct, it is expected to use preseeding to add packages during installer operation automatically
[20:46] <ioria> resistor4u,  check the server manifest
[20:46] <resistor4u> ioria: the whole idea is to make this broken machine a headless server
[20:46] <tomreyn> alphazed1972: which behaviur exactly, the recovery shell, the ability to login at the recovery shell without providing a password (but not all the other ways allowing unauthenticated access to your data), or the fact that your data is stored unencrypted on your disk?
[20:46] <ioria> resistor4u,  i got it
[20:47] <TJ-> alphazed1972: disable what specifically? The menu, or access as root?
[20:47] <Rumen> TJ it is not the hard disk, the test shows the disk is fine. But I removed one old WIFI PCI card and will see if it was the problem. Thanks for pointing me the hardware I searched some program that caused the problem.
[20:47] <TJ-> Rumen: ahhh, so a hardware issue causing problems on the PCI bus maybe?
[20:48] <alphazed1972> non password root access - I get it that anyone with physical access to my system can find a way in... but it just seems silly to provide that by by means of an escape key, a couple arrows down, and another couple arrows down
[20:48] <TJ-> alphazed1972: that's why we have 'full disk encryption'
[20:49] <alphazed1972> okay - but I'm doing machine learning on these boxes, won't the encryption slow me down?
[20:49] <TJ-> alphazed1972: you can also password-protect the grub boot menu to prevent that, but it is trivial to avoid
[20:49] <resistor4u> TJ-: so there are no official ubuntu-server distributions that have openssh and openssh-server installed by defautl?
[20:49] <OerHeks> with a multi core and 2 gb ram, maybe 4% ?
[20:50] <philip__> uh, hello?!
[20:50] <TJ-> resistor4u: not for Intel/AMD CPU no (other than possibly 'cloud' images); there may be for some embedded arm builds but not sure, they're generally kept minimal deliberately.
[20:50] <tomreyn> hi philip__
[20:50] <alphazed1972> okay so I have a dual xeon, fast ssd and 256 MB RAM... I should just encrypt
[20:51] <OerHeks> ubuntu core lets you setup an ssh account online, but includes no wireless
[20:51] <resistor4u> TJ-: thankyou for helping answer my questions
[20:51] <resistor4u> i guess that means i should 1) pack up and go home to figure out how to get a screen or 2) pick a different linux flavor?
[20:51] <tomreyn> alphazed1972: i suspect you mean 256 GB RAM?
[20:51] <TJ-> alphazed1972: 256MB RAM? Ubuntu won't install in that!
[20:52] <alphazed1972> TJ / tomreyn - correct 256 GB
[20:52] <TJ-> resistor4u: as I said earlier, easiest is to 'borrow' an display for an hour!
[20:53] <resistor4u> TJ-: i really am basically in a broom closet in the social sciences building. i'd have to haul the laptop and search for a spare screen that might have a connection the fits the laptop
[20:53] <resistor4u> grad students get the shaft - we do most if not all the grunt work
[20:53] <resistor4u> ignore my bitching
[20:53] <alphazed1972> next question, is anyone out there succesfully running an nvidia rtx 2080 on ubuntu 18.04 - I have been doing all the ussual nomodeset blacklist nouveau stuff... and I can't get it booting with this card
[20:53] <TJ-> resistor4u: right, but in the time you've already spent...!
[20:55] <tomreyn> alphazed1972: full disk encryption will have an impact either way. on modern hardware where it can use CPU (hardware) crypto extensions it is marginal and won't be noticed other than in benchmarks. full disk encryption is also a way to ensure your data will not fall into other peoples' hands once you have to replace your disks (such as when they no longer work properly, but data recovery may still be possible).
[20:56] <OerHeks> alphazed1972, your card needs the 410 driver, https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/138279/en-us
[20:57] <OerHeks> that card is so new, you need the driver ppa i guess https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:57] <alphazed1972> yeah I tried the 415 driver - its listed as compatible - but no luck using the ppa
[20:57] <OerHeks> oh, then be patient, it will be fixed in the future
[20:57] <alphazed1972> okay - so I'll try 410 for now
[20:59] <OerHeks> and i would use 18.10 for that, newer kernel .. or use the !HWE stack
[20:59] <OerHeks> !hwe
[21:00] <OerHeks> ... and some just turn off the Intel in bios, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1095636/ubuntu-18-04-not-booting-with-aorus-rtx-2080
[21:01] <kinghat> is it ok to get firefox build from disco?
[21:01] <teward> kinghat: from disco to... what?
[21:02] <teward> Cosmic?  Bionic?  Older?
[21:02] <kinghat> sorry. bionic.
[21:02] <wyre> hi everyone, I'm having got issues with my ubuntu 18.04 and java
[21:02] <alphazed1972>  All - I am thinking about going 16.04 actually - 18.04 is just becoming supported enough to use with the ML packages out there... I fear 18.10 will be too bleeding edge.
[21:03] <teward> kinghat: I wouldn't.
[21:03] <teward> kinghat: mostly because Firefox on newer is built with newer OPenSSL and that might not port backwards to your older OpenSSL libraries sanely.
[21:04] <wyre> it seems stdin is not available for java
[21:04] <wyre> https://bpaste.net/show/0133fef09fb9
[21:04] <teward> kinghat: this said, is there a reason you need firefox 65 and not 64 which is in every other version of Ubuntu at the moment.
[21:04] <wyre> what do you think?
[21:05] <wyre> how can I traceback the issue?
[21:06] <kinghat> well its 64 and not 64.0.2. was just thinking the disco builds were updated faster.
[21:06] <kinghat> probably flawed thinking.
[21:08] <teward> kinghat: i'd steer clear of +1 builds unless you know what you're doing :P
[21:09] <LOOMIS> bir tawil
[21:09] <LOOMIS> terra nullius
[21:09] <kinghat> steer clear of them?
[21:10] <kinghat> its fixes for the 64 version.
[21:23] <wyre> blackflow, they cannot/dont want to help me xdd
[21:23] <wyre> so I don't know what more can I do
[21:25] <wyre> it must be related with this machine
[21:32] <johnnyfive> Is there a tool available to create Release files for a repository?
[21:36] <johnnyfive> Nvm I *think* I found it. Was googling the wrong thing
[21:46] <marmaduke> siemka :D
[21:51] <Loshki> I bought an NVME.m2 drive on a whim, installed and booted 16.04 in AHCI mode. Works fine, but doesn't respond to SMART. Is this as it should be? How are you supposed to monitor them?
[21:51] <compdoc> you might need to set smart on in the bios
[21:52] <compdoc> usually, it just works
[21:52] <compdoc> how are you reading it?
[21:56] <Loshki> compdoc: gparted had no problems creating gpt and I've had no problems mounting the partitions. But it doesn't respond to 'hdparm -I' and smarctl --all says it can't identify device. Not sure what type to specify for -d
[21:56] <compdoc> what dev is it?
[21:58] <Loshki> A Samsung 970 Evo NVME M.2 model MZ-V7E250. Something about AHCI vs. SATA mode, perhaps?
[21:58] <OerHeks> hdparm -I /dev/sdXY, then it complains about sudo
[21:58] <OerHeks> err /dev/nvme0 ?
[21:59] <OerHeks> nvme0n1
[22:00] <Loshki> Er, /dev/nvme0: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device. Is this even supposed to work?
[22:01] <TJ-> Loshki: which kernel version, which smartmontools version?
[22:03] <Loshki> Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS, 4.15.0-43-generic, smartctl 6.5 2016-01-24 r4214. Too old?
[22:03] <TJ-> Loshki: smartmontools v6.5 added the initial NVME support so in theory it ought to work.
[22:03] <TJ-> Loshki: any clues in the kernel log?
[22:05] <OerHeks> i think nvme0 is not enough ? nvme0n1 is the 1st device
[22:05] <tomreyn> Loshki: use nvme (package nvme-cli) rather than hdparm, though
[22:07] <Loshki> OerHeks: I tried various name variants, no difference.
[22:09] <TJ-> Loshki: as was said earlier, ensure SMART is enabled in the Motherboard firmware setup
[22:09] <Loshki>  nvme id-ctrl /dev/nvme0n1 returns a bunch of sensible info. It's there, it's working. nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0n1 also returns plausible info. A smartctl bug?
[22:09] <compdoc> I installed my first M.2 eSATA drive recently, and smart sees it. Is there a bios update for you motherboard?
[22:11] <Loshki> nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0n1 looks reasonable. So, a smartctl bug?
[22:14] <Loshki> Ah. Looks like a smartctl bug (and perhaps hdparm too). https://askubuntu.com/questions/940133/ubuntu-16-04-m-2-ssd-doesnt-display-anything-when-using-smartctl-a-unknown
[22:14] <TJ-> Loshki: maybe the device uses non-standard information pages that smartctl 6.5 wasn't aware of (that's 2016 vintage)
[22:15] <TJ-> !info smartmonctl cosmic
[22:15] <TJ-> well duh
[22:15] <TJ-> !info smartmontools cosmic
[22:15] <TJ-> looks like it hasn't been updated in a while
[22:15] <Loshki> tomreyn: thanks for the nvme package suggestion, I think that helped narrow it down. Thanks for other suggestions too. I will investigate smartctl further
[22:16] <Loshki> Thanks all others who played also...
[22:17] <Loshki> smartmontools: NVMe support is missing, #1616020
[22:20] <TJ-> bug #1616020
[22:24] <TJ-> Problem is the v6.5 package is not built --with-nvme-devicescan
[22:24] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04.1 My home/ray/Desktop folder shows empty none of my icon launchers are in the folder..How to add icons to the desktop folder
[22:24] <alphazed1972> TJ so I just did a clean install of 18.04, encrypted my drive(thanks for that tip), added the graphics ppa and installed nvidia 410, I also added blacklist.nouveau.conf with lines for modeset and blacklist, and again black screen of nvidia hell.  I figure my options are try 18.10 or got to 16.04 which I have seen working with the rtx 2080... what would you think to do?
[22:26] <TJ-> alphazed1972: I've stayed well away from nvidia for a long time due to the issues it causes
[22:27] <alphazed1972> TJ I get that - its the only thing that does machine learning though - there really is no substitute for a local research and development system
[22:28] <TJ-> alphazed1972: if being used for machine learning why are video drivers required?
[22:30] <alphazed1972> TJ - well I've got four of them in there, its nice to have one drive the three high res monitors attached
[22:30] <alphazed1972> machine learning is a lot about visualization
[22:36] <alphazed1972> TJ I'm going to try 18.10 - I'm not hopeful though
[22:38] <nicomachus> alphazed1972: have you tried the 415 driver from the PPA?
[22:38]  * nicomachus did not scroll back very far to see the original question but maybe it helps?
[22:43] <ebol4> When you create a symlink to an init.d script in /etc/rc0.d/, which function is it calling? start() ?
[22:46] <woenx> Hi. I would like to try and compile one program, but I don't want to fill my computer with lots dependencies that I will only use once. Is there a way to create an insolated environment just to compile stuff under Ubuntu?
[22:48] <OerHeks> solution: build a virtual machine?
[22:48] <ebol4> woenx: you can set up a chroot build environment, but it may be simpler just to have a VM or other dedicated build machine
[22:49] <guiverc> woenx, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot  (if you want the chroot way, but I'd use a vm myself)
[22:51] <woenx> ebol4, guiverc , thanks
[22:51] <woenx> Do you know if it is possible to compile ubuntu software from another distro?
[22:51] <woenx> I'd like to automate the process, but my server uses debian
[22:52] <ebol4> it is largely easy as long as you are on the same architecture (e.g. x86) and you are not compiling kernel modules
[22:52] <ebol4> if you're just compiling like, wget, or something small, it will work fine
[22:52] <woenx> aha
[22:52] <ebol4> but if you're compiling a kernel module for a wlan dongle, it won't
[22:52] <ebol4> unless you are compiling with the same kernel
[22:52] <ebol4> or you have the kernel headers you are compiling to
[22:52] <woenx> I wanted to try to compile digikam, which is a pretty complex software
[22:53] <woenx> and I found this before: https://discuss.pixls.us/t/compile-latest-digikam-on-ubuntu-18-04/9882
[22:54] <OerHeks> good luck
[22:54] <woenx> thanks
[22:54] <ebol4> i think the target machine (your ubuntu PC) will still need to have these dependency libraries installed in order for the software to work
[22:54] <ebol4> not the -dev versions
[22:54] <ebol4> but like, libx264 itself, for example
[22:54] <woenx> aha
[22:55] <ebol4> unless you statically link the binary i think
[22:55] <woenx> won't the deb that results from compiling that code ask for these dependencies automatically?
[22:56] <ebol4> unless someone has made something that packages this particular software into a .deb file for you, the final product will not be a deb
[22:56] <ebol4> it will just the compiled program
[22:56] <ebol4> s/just/just be/
[22:56] <woenx> well, I would put everything into a deb
[22:56] <woenx> which will ask for dependencies
[22:56] <woenx> (that's my idea, I have very little experience)
[22:56] <ebol4> that would take care of that then yes
[22:57] <OerHeks> https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=digikam
[22:57] <woenx> ...aha...
[22:58] <TJ-> woenx: best way is to use sbuild (the Debian/Ubuntu tool), see e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/sbuild https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
[22:58] <Kali_Yuga> how do I turn off this swipe lock screen in ubuntu?
[22:59] <woenx> so it's going to be harder than expected...
[23:00] <woenx> digikam on the repositories is still version 5.6.0, which is super old and full of bugs that have already been corrected
[23:01] <OerHeks> Kali_Yuga,  in systemsetting somewhere, privacy - lock screen
[23:01] <OerHeks> and power - blank screen
[23:27] <alphazed1972> TJ nichomachus : I did try 415 - no good results either.   I pushed one step ahead, right now I am getting a PKCS#7 error for unsigned key on boot... the only problem is I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what I need to do on this motherboard to switch off secure boot
[23:46] <petro> everyone is asleep?
[23:46] <alphazed1972> zzzzzzzzz
[23:47] <OerHeks> no, the munchies
[23:52] <petro> can anyone advise on backup of a drive (maybe failing)
[23:53] <petro> I was going to use gddrescue
[23:53] <petro> gnu rescue?
[23:54] <TempUser029875> I have Ubuntu Mate and after running apt upgrade and rebooting I am now stuck with the splash screen dots in the middle of my screen, they will not go away even after I edited grub to remote the boot splash screen