[00:07] <gilang> hello
[00:07] <Elixer> hey
[00:07] <Elixer> hows life
[00:07] <Elixer> lol
[00:07] <gilang> why
[00:08] <gilang> do you help me?
[00:08] <gilang> please
[00:08] <Bashing-om> !ask | gilang
[00:08] <gilang> ok
[00:27] <drvanon> Hello, I made some edits without backup to my vimrc (*facepalm* https://pastebin.com/1j5nCVd3), and now when ever I open a file, vim writes ----Autocommands---- and then some of the inoremaps in the file.
[00:28] <drvanon> I am a little bit at a loss for how I would solve this. Correction: this is nvim.
[00:35] <blackflow> drvanon: rename it something else, fix it, rename it back to .vimrc
[00:36] <drvanon> blackflow: The issue is that I am at a loss for why it is printing to the terminal.
[00:37] <drvanon> Nvim works just fine, except for that when it runs, I am shown what nvim has written and then I can access my files.
[00:37] <blackflow> drvanon: the folks in #vim might know more
[00:38] <drvanon> Found the issue! https://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/13939/vim-prints-options-on-quit
[00:38] <drvanon> blackflow: thanks
[00:39] <steve_> hello, I installed ubuntu on a flash drive but somehow GRUB got installed on the host drive (which only had Windows on it), and now the only way to boot anything is to manually tell BIOS to boot from the USB drive.  what should I do?  somehow I have to reinstall GRUB on the host drive, re-scanning for OSes, but not actually install ubuntu anywhere.  does the live boot USB do that?
[00:45] <guiverc> steve_, when you install ubuntu, it asks you where to install grub's bootloader (listing a device, usually first hdd/sdd).  windows has commands to restore/replace it's own MBR (fixboot/fixmbr) so I'd use that to restore your hdd's MBR if you want it back to windows only
[00:49] <stormchas2000> why would you want windows back
[00:49] <steve_> guiverc, thanks I didn't know windows could replace the MBR, I thought windows explicitly didn't allow that to mess with people that use Linux.  unfortunately the windows install on the host drive is broken (can't boot) so that won't happen anyway.  My hope is the ubuntu live USB can reinstall grub, I guess I just have to try
[00:53] <steve_> guiverc it was super weird, I was defintely not asked where to install GRUB, and I did select the "Something Else" option to manually partition/format/assign the drives, and this is not the first time I've used that live USB to install ubuntu.  oh well.
[00:53] <guiverc> if you see grub, you can enter the commands to boot your windows ; then use the appropriate windows commands to restore it.
[00:54] <guiverc> the question is easily overlooked as it's low on screen -- lots of people miss it; as 95%+ of installs the value doesn't need change (You are in the minority & had to take note)
[00:54] <OerHeks> you would get the option where to install the bootloader, at some point
[00:54] <steve_> guiverc, there's a command line in windows to restore the bootloader?  too bad the windows install is so FUBAR it can't even boot into safe mode
[00:55] <steve_> whatever I'll just try the live stick, thanks everybody
[00:55] <guiverc> your windows recovery media can be booted & will fix it...  but that's offtopic here
[00:56] <guiverc> if you see grub, you can boot your windows by chainloading to the partition it's on
[01:00] <guiverc> steve_, if you look at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2230300  entry matthew_bird 19-jun-2014 contains commands to boot a windows; adjust it to match your system (assuming you get grub)
[01:01] <guiverc> there was also info in that about fixing the mbr using windoze, but the command needed varies on your version..
[01:03] <Hiddendude> ubuntu is great
[01:03] <Hiddendude> windows 10  says i cant use some programs because i dont meet the requirements
[01:03] <Hiddendude> and that program on ubuntu does not care
[01:04] <Hiddendude> and it works
[01:04] <Hiddendude> with no problems
[01:04] <OerHeks> yes, bug 1
[01:05] <OerHeks> i have asked about adding android, but that was not a good idea
[01:06] <Hiddendude> i use genymotion and it does not work in windows 10
[01:06] <Hiddendude> but it does with ubuntu
[01:07] <Hiddendude> it only wont work in windows 10 because i have old pc
[01:08] <Hiddendude> but ubuntu makes it feel like my pc is newer
[01:10] <OerHeks> you could go back to windows 8
[01:10] <Hiddendude> what would that do
[01:10] <Hiddendude> my pc shipped with windows 7
[01:14] <stormchas2000> I have been using ubuntu for 10 years, I would never want to go back to windows
[01:15] <strive> :)
[01:16] <Hiddendude> my old pc had windows xp
[01:16] <Hiddendude> but that pc quit working
[01:18] <stormchas2000> When i bought this laptop brand new, it had windows 10 brand. The first thing i did when I got home was to delete windows and install ubuntu studio
[01:18] <Hiddendude> the only reason i need windows is because it cant play roblox
[01:18] <Hiddendude> but i dont even have windows installed
[01:18] <Hiddendude> only ubuntu
[01:18] <krugger> Hi, any package maintainers around that might want to pick up python-certbot package and update it to 0.28?
[01:19] <krugger> Because looks like a TLS disaster waiting to happen
[01:19] <krugger> when certbot start to fail to renew certificates in a few weeks.
[01:22] <OerHeks> disco gives 0.28 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-certbot , but you can certainly file a SRU to speed things up
[01:22] <OerHeks> !sru
[01:29] <Hiddendude> hello
[01:29] <Hiddendude> for some reason i cant join the winehq channel
[01:29] <Hiddendude> with xchat
[01:29] <Hiddendude> i click  join channel and type winehq
[01:30] <Hiddendude> but it does not join
[01:30] <AngelKde> Hiddendude, whit vers of ubuntu you have ?
[01:30] <Hiddendude> ubuntu 18.04.1 lts
[01:30] <OerHeks> you get some message , register perhaps?
[01:30] <OerHeks> !register
[01:31] <Hiddendude> #winehq :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services - see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[01:31] <Hiddendude> thats what it says
[01:32] <Hiddendude> so yes
[01:32] <OerHeks> good, it is not expensive
[01:32] <Hiddendude> well i would buy it but have no way of doing digital purchases
[01:32] <krugger> So these is a bug report for the certbot on launchpad for the last 10 days, but it is still unassigned. How do you upgrade that bug report to a SRU?
[01:32] <Hiddendude> but i have cash
[01:33] <OerHeks> krugger, confirm that bugreport, unless you filed it
[01:33] <OerHeks> Hiddendude, it is free
[01:33] <Hiddendude> oh
[01:33] <Hiddendude> i thought you meant it cost money
[01:34] <Hiddendude> by saying its not expensive
[01:34] <krugger> It is confirmed.
[01:34] <krugger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-certbot/+bug/1812366
[01:34] <tomreyn> krugger: this package is in universe.
[01:35] <tomreyn> imported / synched from debian, it seems
[01:35] <OerHeks> only disco gives 0.28 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-certbot
[01:35] <krugger> Yes, that means all the bionic and cosmic will break in a few days when they try to renew the certificates.
[01:36] <krugger> I am getting emails about it from Lets Encrypt, just like the original bug reporter
[01:36] <tomreyn> krugger: got some link to read up on how it will break?
[01:37] <krugger> https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/how-to-stop-using-tls-sni-01-with-certbot/83210
[01:38] <krugger> Support for TLS-SNI-01 has been discontinued, because of security vulnerabilities.
[01:38] <tomreyn> thanks
[01:39] <krugger> There are alteratives, but I am not sure what will happen in a few days.
[01:40] <OerHeks> there is a ppa https://launchpad.net/~certbot/+archive/ubuntu/certbot
[01:41] <OerHeks> that gives .28 for bionic
[01:42] <krugger> But it will not be fixed for the LTS release without PPA?
[01:43] <OerHeks> it can be fixed, by your confirmation
[01:43] <tomreyn> not unless soemeone who uses the software or cares enough about it does an SRU
[01:43] <tomreyn> s/or/and/
[01:43] <OerHeks> jups
[01:44] <Gen86> hmm occasionally on this old computer i got xubuntu on im getting the sound kinda like pausing and unpausing real fast
[01:44] <Gen86> It's an old imac maybe it's a drivers thing?
[01:44] <krugger> talk on the vuln for TLS-SNI-01: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhSOAk69JlM
[01:46] <Gen86> or it's a firefox thing im not sure
[01:47] <Gen86> but i think i heard it outside firefox
[01:53] <Gen86> hmm i did find this https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio
[01:53] <Gen86> maybe this is it
[02:30] <Elixer> hey
[02:44] <Deihmos> what is recommended? run apps as their user or change to myself? like i installed plex server and it has own user plex. should i change the user to me?
[02:46] <OerHeks> it is better to run plex as its own 'user'  than root
[02:50] <OerHeks> hmm nice howto for systemd https://forums.plex.tv/t/change-what-user-plex-runs-as/53586/11
[02:51] <Deihmos> i saw that before
[02:51] <Deihmos> shows how to change the user. i changed the user to my login
[02:51] <Deihmos> is that root?
[02:52] <Deihmos> i see what you mean. i chnaged all the apps to run as my local user. sonarr radarr sabnzbd plex tautulli hdhomerun
[02:53] <Deihmos> a bit new to linux.. very strange compared to windows
[02:53] <OerHeks> its a service, that starts at boot
[02:54] <partlycloudy> morning/evening folks, what's the proper procedure to switch back to ifupdown on 18.04 LTS?
[02:54] <OerHeks> so running under your user takes away that advantage, connecting remotely
[02:54] <Deihmos> did n't put any of the users as root
[02:54] <Deihmos> connecting remotely?
[02:55] <Deihmos> what do you mean
[02:56] <OerHeks> Plex is a streaming media server that lets you organize your video, music, and photo collections and stream them to all of your devices at anytime and from anywhere.
[02:56] <OerHeks> so, other machines, smart tv, tablet, phone
[02:56] <Deihmos> i think you misunderstood
 did n't put any of the users as root = correct, it runs as plex.
[02:58] <Deihmos> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/RkdmEBPf/
[02:58] <Deihmos> there is an option to choose the user the apps runs as
[02:59] <conr> if i just upgraded my DDR3 RAM to 16GB on my 18.04 box, do I need to add more swap than 8.5GB?
[03:01] <OerHeks> Deihmos, correct, that forum post talks about that too
[03:02] <stront2> So it seems Ubuntu 18.10 has broken luks+zfs.  I upgraded a working 18.04 to 18.10 and it failed to boot.  Booting with Live Image allows me to mount the luks encrypted volumes and import them with zpool.  The data is intact.  The problem is (seems to be) crypt initramfs stuff isn't included in the initramfs because it doesn't know about ZFS.
[03:02] <stront2> Anyone got pointers on how to fix this.  I tried forcing it and it still won;t decrypt the volumes at boot.  just drops to busy box
[03:25] <tomreyn> stront2: in initramfs, "echo $REASON" to find out why it failed
[03:28] <tomreyn> in case you booted off a live system to recover, make sure crypttab and fstab have proper uuids, you have a grub variant installed which supports cyptomount (that's if /boot is encrypted) - the secure boot signed one doesn't (dpkg -l grub*)
[03:29] <stront2> tomreyn: boot isn't encrypted.
[03:29] <tomreyn> oh okay, then i guess it's just a zfs issue, and i don't know muzch about zfs
[03:30] <stront2> I will try the echo $REASON next time i reboot that machine (I am working on trying to fix it now)  thanks.  But i am pretty sure the problem is the luks crypt stuff refusing to install into the initramfs because it doesn't know ZFS.
[03:33] <tomreyn> stront2: you can inspect initramfs contents using, e.g.: lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.18.0-14-generic
[03:34] <tomreyn> sbin/cryptsetup would be needed
[03:34] <tomreyn> also lib/cryptsetup/askpass
[03:38] <tomreyn> and conf/conf.d/cryptroot to actually make the decryption happen
[03:38] <deniz> ..
[03:38] <deniz> hello
[03:44] <tomreyn> or use unmkinitramfs to unpack an initramfs
[03:44] <tomreyn> i mean the initrd, not just the initramfs
[03:45] <stront2> tomreyn: ok, will look at that
[03:46] <V7> Hey all
[03:48] <tomreyn> stront2: unmkinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) /tmp/initrd; cd /tmp/initrd; cat main/conf/conf.d/cryptroot
[04:08] <stront2> tomreyn: this is what update-initramfs emits immediatley after i upgraded. http://dpaste.com/2210CB8
[04:12] <stront2> tomreyn: contents of cryptroot inside the initramfs: http://dpaste.com/3W868GE
[04:17] <tomreyn> stront2: you can get a better idea of the context update-initramfs prints its warnings in if you run it with -v and redirect output to a file (to review later). e.g.:    mkdir /tmp/initramfs; update-initramfs -vc -k $(uname -r) -b /tmp/initramfs &>/tmp/initramfs.out
[04:18] <tomreyn> stront2: generally, if it prints warnings that's a good hint that booting will fail, you want to get this right. if you're operating in a chroot, make sure you have all the needed virtual file systems bind mounted into the chroot.
[04:19] <stront2> tomreyn: will do.  none of the crypt files you mentioned before are in the initramfs.  just cryptroot and crypttab
[04:19] <tomreyn> i'm surprised that you would have two rootdev's, but maybe that's just me not getting zfs.
[04:19] <stront2> tomreyn: yes i am in a chroot, i spent time making some scripts to mount everything consistently so that should be ok.
[04:20] <stront2> tomreyn: well my root bev is a mirrored ssd.  so i need both devs running so zfs can start the mirror.
[04:20] <tomreyn> but cryptsetup is installed, right?
[04:20] <tomreyn> i see
[04:20] <stront2> yes its installed, just not being inserted into the initramfs
[04:21] <stront2> this is a setup thats worked without issue since 2017, and i upgraded through multiplke ubuntu's with it.
[04:21] <tomreyn> oh right the error reported by update-initramfs is actually from cryptsetup, sorry
[04:21] <stront2> So something has changed since 18.04 to 18.10 which alters this behaviour.
[04:26] <stront2> tomreyn: http://dpaste.com/0DZHKPG is the verbose update-initramfs
[04:27] <tomreyn> stront2: is zfs-initramfs installed?
[04:28] <stront2> yes it is installed.  I am going to try and force crypt into the initramfs by setting CRYPTSETUP=y in /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook
[04:29] <tomreyn> https://www.medo64.com/2019/01/booting-encrypted-mirror-zfs-on-ubuntu-1810/ looks like a good how-to, maybe proof read your configuration based on it.
[04:30] <tomreyn> i understand what you're saying this used to work on previous releases and stopped after upgrading to 18.10. sometimes such can be caused when previously deprtecated configurations were still supported but then support was dropped.
[04:30] <stront2> Thanks for the link.  all i was able to find in days of searching was 18.04 or earlier guides.
[04:30] <tomreyn> (i'd expect such to be mentioned in the release notes, though)
[04:32] <tomreyn> yw
[04:34] <stront2> tomreyn: actually i am suspicious. the warning he shows are from 18.04 output and not 18.10 specifically he shows no warning about not "The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries nor crypto modules."
[04:34] <tomreyn> stront2: hmm don't you have linux-modules-$(uname -r) installed? line 5 of http://dpaste.com/0DZHKPG suggests you don't.
[04:34] <stront2> which i am convinced is the issue.
[04:35] <tomreyn> 4.18.0-10 is also outdated
[04:36] <stront2> tomreyn: just checked, yes thats right. not installed.  Which isn't good.  This state is immediately after the upgrade process.
[04:37] <tomreyn> was it installed previously?
[04:37] <stront2> I will see what a system update inside the chroot will do.  But first i will snapshot my drives so i can recover if it goes bad.
[04:37] <stront2> tomreyn: i imagine so, but it's not in the list of installable packages.  4.18.0-11 is the earliest in that series.
[04:38] <tomreyn> is the "linux-image-generic" meta package installed?
[04:38] <tomreyn> if you chose to uninstall "linux-image-generic" at some point this could have caused the modules package to not get installed after upgrading
[04:39] <stront2> tomreyn: yes it is.  4.18.0.13.14
[04:39] <tomreyn> err during upgrade
[04:39] <tomreyn> okay, then i'd expected the modules package to be installed as well.
[04:40] <tomreyn> linux-modules-extra-... rather
[04:43] <tomreyn> actually linux-generic is the meta package you should have
[04:44] <amitkm9204> Hi
[04:44] <stront2> tomreyn: linux-generic is installed and has the same version 4.18.0.13.14
[04:44] <amitkm9204> Can anyone help me
[04:44] <tomreyn> stront2: okay, fine
[04:44] <stront2> amitkm9204: depends on your problem
[04:44] <amitkm9204> How to involve for help in kernal 5.0
[04:45] <stront2> tomreyn: i will try upgrading the packages and fix the missing modules problem
[04:45] <tomreyn> amitkm9204: can you say this differently? i don't understand "involve for help in kernal"
[04:45] <amitkm9204> @stront2 i want to work in 5.0 and related issue.
[04:46] <amitkm9204> I mean any irc you know for the discussion?
[04:47] <tomreyn> stront2: good luck. the issue is surely the moiissing modules. please do report a bug if this really looks like a result of the upgrade process. check log files in /var/log/upgrade (the path is from memory, might also be release-upgrade or similar) to get an idea of what happened there.
[04:47] <tomreyn> amitkm9204: discussion on what exactly? it's not yet clear what you are looking to discuss, other than it seems to be somehow related to Linux 5.0
[04:48] <amitkm9204> yeah
[04:48] <tomreyn> amitkm9204: what is the root issue you're trying to solve?
[04:49] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you running? why do you care about 5.0?
[04:49] <amitkm9204> sorry..
[04:49] <amitkm9204> Thanks for guiding
[04:50] <amitkm9204> :-(
[04:50] <amitkm9204> :-)
[04:51] <tomreyn> no need ot be sorry, i'm just trying to help you get the help you're looking for, but you'll need to provide more info if you need help with anything ubuntu related.
[04:52] <stront2> tomreyn: the problem with missing modules is that $(uname -r) is giving the kernel version of the live usb, not the kernel installed in my chroot
[04:52] <tomreyn> stront2: right, you'll need to use the one you have installed
[04:52] <stront2> the modules are installed and if i updateinitramfs for those kernels no errors on that part.
[04:52] <tomreyn> oh ok, fine.
[04:53] <tomreyn> so now it doesn't say "cryptsetup: ERROR: Couldn't resolve device ge40-ssd-pool/ROOT/ubuntu" ?
[04:54] <stront2> Oh, yes it still says that.
[04:54] <stront2> Thats because cryptsetup doesn't know about zfs.
[04:54] <tomreyn> so we just solved a non issue ;)
[04:55] <stront2> tomreyn: yup.  but worth doing anyway.
[04:55] <tomreyn> afaik / on zfs is still not supported on ubuntu, but i may be wrong there,
[04:56] <stront2> so the way zfs works, it imports its "pools" by scanning the available devices.  So it doesn't need something like cryptsetup to tell it where to look for filesystems.  it just needs the devices to be mapped.
[04:56] <stront2> 18.04 does just that.  it basically says, i don't know how to deal with zfs, so here is the dreive mapped, up to you.
[04:57] <stront2> 18.10 says.  I don;t know how to work with zfs. So no Crypt functions for you.
[04:57] <noals> hi, i have no sound. actually it's weird because it was kinda working with the live dvd but not anymore
[04:57] <stront2> i think it's wrong.  cryptsetup shouldn't refuse to map a drive just because it doesn't know how to deal with the underlying filesystem.
[04:59] <tomreyn> stront2: this could surely be a matter of debate. i guess i'd prefer a warning over a failure there, too, but maybe there are reasons to do so which i just don't understand.
[05:01] <tomreyn> stront2: so file a bug report, though, if the behaviour changed 18.04 -> 18.10 and this causes things to break and this is not listed on the release notes AND zfs on / is now supported.
[05:02] <tomreyn> or just scratch the zfs part, since this is about a change of behaviour in cryptsetup
[05:02] <tomreyn> !sound | noals
[05:02]  * tomreyn bbl
[05:03] <noals> ubottu: everything is well recognized but i think it have something to do with my bios somehow
[05:04] <noals> ubottu: basically, yesterday i messed up my ubuntu installation because of the fast boot and secure boot of my uefi, but at this time the sound was working
[05:04] <noals> ubottu:  ha damn lol
[05:06] <lalitmee> Hello guys
[05:06] <noals> lalitmee: hi
[05:07] <noals> lalitmee: you know much about ubuntu ? maybe u can help me ?
[05:07] <lalitmee> I don't know whats happening to my Lubuntu terminal, as I am trying to run the command `sudo apt-fast update`, it is asking me for password but rightway it is throwing me out of the propmt
[05:08] <lalitmee> noals: yeah tell me
[05:08] <noals> lalitmee: i have no sound problem, i think it have something to do with my uefi setting, you think it would be ok if i boot with fast boot and secure boot now that ubuntu is well installed ?
[05:09] <noals> lalitmee: actually yesterday i messed up my ubuntu installation at first because of those bios setting but the sound was working so im a bit confused
[05:10] <noals> lalitmee: are you sure you're not typing a wrong password for your problem ? i dont know much about it but well.. lol
[05:11] <EoflaOE> I have removed the 4.18 kernel which was shipped with Xubuntu 18.10 32-bit, along with the older 5.0.0-rc2, and rc3 right after upgrading to rc4. Whenever I do any apt-get installs, or upgrades, it says that these packages are not required anymore on my system: amd64-microcode intel-microcode iucode-tool thermald. My CPU is AMD Athlon XP 1500+ and it's incapable of 64-bit so I think it shouldn't have any microcode. Can I remove these packages? Or should I
[05:11] <EoflaOE> keep them?
[05:11] <lalitmee> noals: you want sound where?
[05:12] <lalitmee> noals: actually I am not typing the password, it is not letting me type the password
[05:12] <noals> lalitmee: anywhere, i just want to listen to music and all on ubuntu, all my things are well recognized but i have no sound
[05:13] <noals> lalitmee: you know the password isn't visible when u type it in the terminal right ?
[05:16] <noals> lalitmee: you just have to type it without mistake, it doesnt show anything but if you type the right password and enter, it goes as expected
[05:17] <noals> anyway, i better ask on the forum for my problem i think, cya
[05:28] <DarwinElf> is it possible to downgrade to a 4.16 kernel?  I need a driver for a PCI card that has been removed from the kernel, despite some advanced PC system-/logic-/main-/mother-boards still being made with one or two plain/classic PCI slots to this day
[05:29] <EoflaOE> DarwinElf: What Ubuntu version you're using? 18.04?
[05:29] <DarwinElf> yes
[05:31] <stront2> tomreyn: i managed to fix it.  The problem was the crypttab now needs the option initramfs added to the root mirror drives.  Which forces luks to unlock them. This wasn't needed in 18.04
[05:32] <stront2> tomreyn: thank you for all your help, it is very much appreciated.
[05:36] <EoflaOE> DarwinElf: You may try to download these packages for 4.16: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.16/. Select your architecture, download the 3 debs: headers, headers-generic, and image-generic listed below your architecture, and install them using "sudo dpkg ~/path/to/linux-*.deb"
[05:36] <DarwinElf> thanks
[05:36] <DarwinElf> then I can just put both in the GRUB2 menu?
[05:37] <DarwinElf> i.e., old and current?
[05:37] <lightblue> hi, I just had a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04 and wanted to install tightvncserver for remote desktop access. But connecting with vncviewer shows a blank grey screen.
[05:37] <EoflaOE> Yes. All kernel debs can update the list so it lists old and current.
[05:37] <lightblue> here is what the session log says: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XQm6dZsFnF/
[05:38] <lightblue> please help if you have ever run into similar problems.
[05:41] <deeenas> hi
[05:41] <EoflaOE> he deeenas
[05:41] <EoflaOE> hi*
[05:41] <EoflaOE> Do you have any questions about Ubuntu?
[05:41] <deeenas> i am looking for developer community channel to join
[05:41] <deeenas> can you suggest some good ones
[05:41] <SlidingHorn> !alis | deeenas
[05:43] <Liza23> Register and looking for me and maybe we will be sex partner --->  http://gg.gg/d0al3
[05:46] <SlidingHorn> I've always wanted to be sex partner...
[05:47] <deeenas> who doesn't
[05:48] <deeenas> hey
[05:48] <deeenas> kaise use karte hain iss bhasad ko
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:01] <myweb> ???
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> myweb: can we help you?
[06:02] <myweb> good night
[06:05] <ddoobb> How can I check if my /home is a separate partition or it's on the same partition as Ubuntu?
[06:05] <myweb> lotuspsychje:tanks
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> !home | ddoobb
[06:16] <bojancar> Hi ! :)
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> welcome bojancar how can we help you?
[06:20] <tomreyn> stront2: you're welcome, and thanks for reporting back. can you point me to where you found out about the need to set the "initramfs" option on /etc/crypttab? also, did you file a bug on this, so that other peoples' upgrades won't have to run into this?
[06:20] <bojancar> Hi lotuspsychje, well im not sure if this is an ubuntu thing, actually. So I added some ram into my box This is the paste of what I have in my sockets right now: https://pastebin.com/ne4Qb87E   But my system free registeres something different, and I'm not sure why...
[06:21] <bojancar> free says: Mem:       32874524     4029632    24935108      309416     3909784    28270964
[06:22] <bojancar> To be honest, this is one of the rare occasions im not even sure what to google anymore :)
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> bojancar: how many ram you got in total please
[06:23] <bojancar> should be 48g
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> wow lol
[06:23] <bojancar> 16 + 32
[06:23] <bojancar> Yeah, a lot of docker containers :(
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> bojancar: check sudo inxi -mxxx
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> might be a cleaner overview
[06:25] <bojancar> https://pastebin.com/GmPVPhAt
[06:25] <bojancar> Still doesn't add up, but yeah your are right, cleaner overview :)
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> bojancar: it doesnt meet your expectations? did you add ram lately?
[06:27] <bojancar> yeah, but that's not the thing check this: Used/Total: 4625.9/32104.0MB      so 16 + 16 + 8 + 8 = 48, while system registeres 32
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> ah yeah i see
[06:27] <bojancar> It sees all the modules, yet it fails to allow me to allocate
[06:28] <tomreyn> bojancar: is this an MP system? have you checked that the seating of the DIMMs is correct? you have banks 0 empty everywhere.
[06:28] <bojancar> tomreyn, It has crossed my mind that the seatings were not correct, that's the next thing I will be playing with.
[06:29] <bojancar> I followed the instructions from the MB manual
[06:29] <bojancar> Also, what does MP stand for?
[06:29] <tomreyn> bojancar: multi processor, more than one cpu
[06:29] <bojancar> Right, it's a single processor system.
[06:30] <tomreyn> okay the CPUs adressing different DIMMs is not the issue.
[06:30] <tomreyn> dmesg should also tell you which dimms were identified and how they ended up getting used
[06:31] <bojancar> https://pastebin.com/D25SfQaK just for reference the cpuinfo
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> maybe something limits it to 32g?
[06:31] <bojancar> let me check on dmesg
[06:32] <bojancar> And finally dmesg | grep memory: https://pastebin.com/CH0AF6NU
[06:32] <tomreyn> which mainboard do you have then?
[06:33] <tomreyn> 'grep memory' isn't going to be sufficient
[06:33] <bojancar> Motherboard info: https://pastebin.com/gRjfyz2s
[06:34] <bojancar> Sure, I can grep other stuff from dmesg, there is just a lot of output
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> bojancar: try: sudo dmidecode -t 16
[06:35] <ddoobb> At the terminal what exactly are xxx and yyy in xxx@yyy:~$ called
[06:35] <bojancar> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/AkUgsFG8
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> !hostname | ddoobb
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> bojancar: ok does your mobo manual also mention 512Gig max?
[06:37] <ddoobb> lotuspsychje are both called hostname, because they are different
[06:38] <bojancar> found it lotuspsychje : 8 x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 128 GB of system memory
[06:38] <bojancar> They advertise as they support: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X399-AORUS-Gaming-7-rev-10#sp
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> ddoobb: user@host
[06:38] <bojancar> Oh yeah, windows sees it :) That's why I came here
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> bojancar: so when you reboot into windows you got right ammount?
[06:39] <bojancar> Yeah windows gets the right amount
[06:39] <bojancar> Which is weird :/
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> a bug tomreyn ?
[06:40] <bojancar> Should I drop you the entire dmesg ?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> if you want bojancar we can take a look
[06:40] <bojancar> By all means, give me a sec
[06:41] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: no idea, it sure sounds like it if one OS can handle the RAM, the other cannot.
[06:42] <bojancar> Here, https://gist.github.com/virogenesis/a22462f0ee8595fbe191301c0f620170
[06:42] <bojancar> Had to create a gist, pastebin has a limit on size
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> if windows catches it, there's no use to switch rams right
[06:42] <bojancar> If you give me 10mins I can boot to Windows to confirm with a Screenshot
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> bojancar: we believe you mate
[06:44] <bojancar> Thanks for the effort of helping though, I kinda ran out of keywords to check online :)
[06:44] <tomreyn> i agree the dimms seems to be correctly installed
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> bojancar: wich ubuntu version is this?
[06:44] <bojancar> it's 18.04
[06:44] <bojancar> Latest kernel
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> allrighty
[06:45] <tomreyn> bojancar: 4.15 or 4.18 then?
[06:45] <bojancar> 4.20
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> oh..
[06:45] <tomreyn> bojancar: where did you get this?
[06:45] <bojancar> Ubuntu kernel update utility (im lazy)
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> try this on bionic offical kernel as a test bojancar ?
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[06:45] <tomreyn> okay, try with 4.15 then
[06:45] <bojancar> Can do
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> if that doesnt work, we can bug
[06:46] <bojancar> Sure, give me a sec, gotta reboot :)
[06:47] <tomreyn> you should get a bios upgrade, too
[06:47] <LBJ> Hello
[06:47] <bojancar> tomreyn, :+1: Good idea
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> welcome LBJ how can we help you today?
[06:47] <bojancar> Ill go on with kernel + bios and can let you know later if I pin this to the kernel so you can file a bugreport
[06:48] <tomreyn> ok
[06:48] <bojancar> Cheers
[06:57] <zzp> hi
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> welcome zzp
[06:58] <zzp> my ubuntu dock crashed
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> zzp: there has been an update for the dock recently, did you reboot?
[07:00] <zzp> when an application is in maximum and the computer goes to sleep, then when i wake up the screen, I will see a stupid dock at the lock screen
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> thats a known bug zzp
[07:01] <zzp> oops
[07:02] <zzp> is there any way to fix it ?(instead of reboot)
[07:03] <zzp> i tried to logout using GUI,but it seem that the full gnome session crashed. so, i had to login using the text terminal and reboot the device
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> zzp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1769383
[07:04] <lord4163> Hi.
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> zzp: is your system up to date please?
[07:05] <lord4163> What happened to tasksel? I can't seem to find it in the repositories?
[07:05] <lord4163> I'm on Ubuntu MATE 16.04
[07:05] <zzp> yes, i update the system both using apt and snap
[07:05] <SlidingHorn> !info tasksel xenial
[07:06] <SlidingHorn> lord4163: should be there -  apt policy tasksel
[07:07] <lord4163> SlidingHorn: Hmmm, weird
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> zzp: uname -a please?
[07:08] <lord4163> SlidingHorn: N: Unable to locate package tasksel
[07:08] <zzp> Linux zzp-HP-ubuntu 4.15.0-44-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 14 11:26:59 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:08] <SlidingHorn> lord4163: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file please?
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> zzp: did you receive that gnome dock update yet?
[07:09] <zzp> i just check the package using dpkg, it shows ii  gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock          0.9.1ubuntu18.04.3                           all          Ubuntu Dock for GNOME Shell
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> zzp: 2019-01-30 06:20:58 upgrade gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock:all 0.9.1ubuntu18.04.1 0.9.1ubuntu18.04.3
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> yep looks good
[07:10] <lord4163> SlidingHorn: Yes, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GzzzYymK86/
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> lord4163: lsb_release -a please
[07:12] <lord4163> lotuspsychje: Oh, I fixed it already :)
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> zzp: affect yourself to the bug
[07:13] <lord4163> SlidingHorn: My mistake, I cleared the cache. :) Had to apt update :)
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> lord4163: and upgrade your system?
[07:14] <SlidingHorn> lord4163: :) no worries
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> zzp: #118 of the bug conrfirms it has been fixxed
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> zzp: are you sure you rebooted system?
[07:17] <pikia> Can someone help me repair GRUB? I've ran boot-repair on a live USB, but it fails. Here is the paste.ubuntu that it tells me to provide
[07:17] <pikia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wtb6tXkmzn/
[07:18] <zzp> yes
[07:19] <zzp> after i found the whole GUI crashed i opened a text terminal using ctrl+alt+f3 and then type reboot then enter
[07:20] <elmul555> hello
[07:22] <zzp> this problem occurs to me recently. I have using ubuntu 18.04.1 since it released and the dock haven't have any problem since then
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> zzp: what kind of graphics card/driver do you use?
[07:23] <zzp> Intel® UHD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2)
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> zzp: can you make a screenshot of that?
[07:33] <zzp> ok, i will try if the dock crash again
[07:48] <bojancar> lotuspsychje, Well I have debugged my ram issue, and the problem is one of the 16G ram modules
[07:49] <bojancar> Both linux and Windows register it when it's plugged in, but neither want to allocate it.
[07:49] <bojancar> Windows reports it as System Allocated RAM
[07:49] <bojancar> Therefore it's not an #ubuntu issue :) But nevertheless, thank you for the support
[07:52] <alakx> Hello. I have a nfs mounted folder. When i create a new directory it gets access 2675 and user/group nobody:nogroup. My question is how can i change that, when i create a new directory by default, it gets permissions...lets say 755 ?
[07:56] <mrlpbt> alakx i'am not 100% sure, but try to take a look at "sticky bits"
[07:57] <diskin> alakx, also check https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1922953
[07:59] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[07:59] <silv3r_m00n> why is package chromium-codecs-ffmpeg conflicting with chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra ? i am unable to install both
[07:59] <silv3r_m00n> what is wrong
[08:00] <DarwinElf> I had to downgrade a kernel for an old driver, which didn't work, so how do I restore to the default kernel?
[08:00] <SlidingHorn> silv3r_m00n: do you have third party repositories/PPAs in use?
[08:00] <silv3r_m00n> SlidingHorn: let me check, there were few sometime back
[08:01] <ducasse> silv3r_m00n: chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra contains the plugins from chromium-codecs-ffmpeg as well
[08:01] <mrlpbt> DarwinElf yes you can, normaly ubuntu keeps minimum one old kernel in the back, i've just rolled back yester day from 4.15-44 to 4.15-43 because of much problems in 44.
[08:01] <silv3r_m00n> ducasse: so installing just the extra version should suffice ?
[08:01] <tomreyn> silv3r_m00n: these packages are mutually exclusive since they provide overlapping functionality. read the package descriptions, which explain it.
[08:01] <silv3r_m00n> oh
[08:01] <ducasse> silv3r_m00n: yes
[08:01] <silv3r_m00n> great then
[08:03] <alakx> mrlpbt, diskin thans guys i will check it out
[08:03] <tomreyn> DarwinElf: how did you downgrade the kernel?
[08:05] <silv3r_m00n> chromium-codecs-ffmpeg is unable to play mp4 videos on websites. need chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra for that
[08:08] <DarwinElf> as EoflaOE described above
[08:15] <tomreyn> DarwinElf: just uninstall the newer kernel packages you installed then. "apt list --installed linux-*-4.16*" to identify these packages, then "sudo apt remove <package1> <package2> ..." to remove them.
[08:16] <Fc> hey
[08:17] <Fc> wats mean to happen here?
[08:18] <Fc> ive oppened a random program n the school pc n i entered here
[08:18] <tomreyn> !ot | Fc
[08:18] <Fc> ok, ty
[08:31] <DarwinElf> thanks
[08:37] <murthy> Google chrome displays "500 Internal Server Error" for some webpages, after updating to Version 72.0.3626.81, does anyone face this problem?
[08:40] <tomreyn> murthy: those are errors occurring on the remote server,
[08:40] <diskin> murthy, it looks like a server-side error, not related to browser...
[08:44] <murthy> tomreyn, diskin I know that, but this is not just with a single website, it also occurs with other websites. This happening suddenly after the update makes me suspicious. Could it be that the other sites use some buggy google service or api?
[08:46] <diskin> murthy, now I'm hesitating whether to upgrade my chrome to that version or not )
[08:46] <diskin> can you give some example links?
[08:47] <murthy> diskin: youtube
[08:47] <murthy> diskin: do we have some thing like this for youtube https://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en-GB&v=status
[08:48] <murthy> diskin: also It could be an Issue with my regional cdns
[08:49] <diskin> I don't know. Have you restarted all instances of chrome after upgrade, murthy?
[08:49] <murthy> yes
[08:49] <murthy> I usually do that
[08:50] <diskin> murthy, do you have other browsers to test? e.g., firefox, chromium?
[08:52] <murthy> diskin: I have firefox, but how can I test, It occurs randomly
[08:52] <EriC^^> sounds like a server side error
[08:53] <EriC^^> murthy: next time it happens, try firefox
[08:53] <diskin> murthy, do any other pages, except google-related, fail?
[08:54] <diskin> I'd test it by hitting reload button multiple times
[08:54] <diskin> also I guess there are many people already with that Chrome version here...
[08:54] <diskin> and I will upgrade mine too :)
[08:58] <diskin> murthy, upgraded to 72.0.3626.81-1, no problems with youtube, reloaded front page ~10 times
[09:01] <viaco> help! why my mint appears no reaction when i changed user?
[09:02] <viaco> who can give me a hand?
[09:03] <ducasse> !mint | viaco
[09:03] <murthy> EriC^^: It appears randomly
[09:03] <viaco> ubottu:thank you.
[09:04] <Jiom> huh?
[09:04] <murthy> diskin: Thats good, it could be some regional cdn disruptions
[09:04] <zetheroo> for nearly 5 years I have been using my Thinkpad T440p on the docking station connected to two screen connected via DP. Laptop is off when I get to the office - place it in the dock (lid closed) - press the power button on the dock - boot up and I'm logging into Ubuntu. Today I get in, do everything like usual, and ... no image on the two screens. I lift the laptop lid - no image there either. Cold turn off. Leave lid open and power on -
[09:04] <zetheroo>  all screens (Laptop and 2 monitors) get image. Close laptop monitor - all screens go black - laptop not in suspend or hibernate - just frozen up - nothing can get it to respond. Cold turn off. Power on again with laptop lid open, login to Ubuntu, try to change anything in Display settings - system locks up. Cold turn off. Something is seriously broken (maybe some new fangled update!?) and I have no idea how to begin to troubleshoot this
[09:04] <zetheroo> .
[09:05] <diskin> murthy, I wonder if there is a way to force using another CDN. except with a proxy or VPN
[09:08] <zetheroo> This is the output of my dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MGf8nn84sw/
[09:12] <u0_a244> ping
[09:14] <caroga_> pong
[09:17] <murthy> diskin: as far as I know, there isn't one
[09:18] <zetheroo> ok, I just tried putting the laptop into suspend and all the screens go off but the laptop never suspends - it's just 'on' but completely unresponsive
[09:21] <pragomer> what basic video editor would you recommend for a linux-newbie, lets say a switcher that comes from windows and "movie maker", etc ?
[09:21] <pragomer> openshot, pitivi, etc ?
[09:22] <tarzeau> shotcut http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/shotcut/ ?
[09:23] <tarzeau> or olive http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/olive/
[09:26] <pragomer> thank you.. will have a look at these..
[09:26] <pragomer> because I heard often about openshot, etc. beeing not too stable
[09:27] <zooper> zetheroo: is a known bug which you can find info about here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813745
[09:28] <tarzeau> are there users with spanish keyboard in here?
[09:28] <tarzeau> i've got an installation of ubuntu 18.04 with a user switching using gnome-shell between us/es, however only us works, and it stays us
[09:28] <tarzeau> she's workarounding it with setxkbmap es and us
[09:32] <nekowaiidesu> Hi all, I'm wanting to clone a lot of laptops over network with a windows image. they're all the same model laptop. Is there any easy way to do it with Ubuntu as a 'server' machine?
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> nekowaiidesu: for server questions best ask in #ubuntu-server
[09:33] <nekowaiidesu> Thanks
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: can you confirm the system has the additional language extras installed?
[09:34] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: no, i'd expect a warning/error message if it isn't. how could i install that manually? using cli apt?
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: hmm not sure how the package is called, its the addons that propose when you open language settings
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: and 'manage installed languages'
[09:36] <tarzeau> i see, i'll have to figure out! good tip! thanks
[09:40] <qwebirc37942> hi
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> morning qwebirc37942 what can we do for you?
[09:40] <qwebirc37942> I just want install ubuntu but impossible
[09:41] <qwebirc37942> uefi don't allow me
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: are you going to dualboot or singleboot ubuntu?
[09:41] <qwebirc37942> single boot
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: switch fastboot=off and secureboot=off from your bios
[09:41] <qwebirc37942> done
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: so what happens when you try to boot your usb?
[09:42] <qwebirc37942> i dont see my usb key
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: F12 gives you a media choice?
[09:42] <qwebirc37942> The only one working is fedora with her own software
[09:42] <qwebirc37942> efi boot
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: how did you create your ubuntu usb?
[09:43] <qwebirc37942> With unetbootin, etcher, fedora media creator, media creator from fedora
[09:43] <qwebirc37942> rofus
[09:44] <qwebirc37942> but i have a netbook with atom processor
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: did you create the stick from windows or linux?
[09:44] <qwebirc37942> both
[09:45] <qwebirc37942> i'm with this for 5 or 6 hours now
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: if fedora boots, it must be the wrong way of creating your ubuntu iso
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: try universal usb installer from windows
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> !usb | qwebirc37942
[09:46] <qwebirc37942> i'v read something about that, fedora use a hash systems
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: i tested rufus not too long ago, that worked for me also
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: do you have that spanish system with you?
[09:47] <tarzeau> no, only remote
[09:48] <qwebirc37942> i think is a problems with my uefi frimware i'v try to flash but same thing
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> ah ok, there's some bug i wanted to tested GUI tarzeau tnx anyway :p
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: when you try to boot the usb, do you see an underscore at your left upper screen? _
[09:49] <qwebirc37942> no
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: to wich point exactly you boot?
[09:49] <qwebirc37942> i'v try universal usb installer too
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: if fedora boots, ubuntu must boot too
[09:50] <qwebirc37942> I'm press f9 to go in manager and i see fedora both and uefi but not my key
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: tested on the same usb stick and usb port?
[09:50] <qwebirc37942> I'v try 2 usb stick and i have only 1 port
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: are you sure your bios settings are set to legacy instead of uefi?
[09:51] <qwebirc37942>  yes
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: what brand/type of computer is that please?
[09:52] <qwebirc37942> i'v only secure boot and it's disable
[09:52] <qwebirc37942> Hp pavillon x2 detachable
[09:52] <qwebirc37942> it's more like a tablet with sd card hdd
[09:53] <qwebirc37942> my bios i have like only 4 option
[09:53] <qwebirc37942> i have only 32 go inside so windows 10 is too heavy
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: did you move usb boot up to first plave in your F10 bios settings?
[09:54] <qwebirc37942> yes, i'v study in computer since 11 years and i use ubuntu since that time
[09:56] <qwebirc37942> fedora use SHA1 systems so bypass uefi protection
[09:58] <qwebirc37942> have you look for that computer on hp?
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: after changing bios settings, did you save them and reboot with power button?
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: yes, im browsing on your type
[09:59] <qwebirc37942> yes
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: can you see the usb brand in your bios?
[10:00] <qwebirc37942> i'v try that too
[10:00] <qwebirc37942> bootia32.efi
[10:00] <qwebirc37942> no
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: hmm, we need to test if your ubuntu usb is burned correctly, do you have another system to test on?
[10:02] <qwebirc37942> no,m'y processor is dead on my computer
[10:02] <qwebirc37942> https://askubuntu.com/questions/775498/ubuntu-on-32-bit-uefi-only-based-tablet-pc
[10:02] <qwebirc37942> i will try that
[10:05] <qwebirc37942> i will try again thanks for your help
[10:05] <qwebirc37942> I will try 32 bit version after just to see
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc37942: maybe this could be usefull: https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-System-and-Recovery/Linux-on-HP-Pavilion-x2-detachable-PC-10/td-p/4810665
[10:13] <shri> i connected my 16 gb sd card to ubuntu 16.04 lts and copied some files then i choose eject option and i disconnected the usb then after that my SD card is not working on any device
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> shri: can you open a terminal and: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plug in your sd card, and pastebin us the results please?
[10:16] <dedsec1571> hello
[10:16] <dedsec1571> ping
[10:17] <Milfje> pong
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> can we help you dedsec1571
[10:22] <murthy> EriC^^: I just now checked the link with firefox when the server error happens in chrome, same thing happens, the same server error
[10:24] <murthy> diskin: Can you check this link and see If you get any server errors https://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks/videos
[10:24] <EriC^^> murthy: it works for me
[10:25] <murthy> EriC^^: can you give me the address that you get when you ping the above address, I would like to know the cdn address
[10:26] <murthy> EriC^^: my cdn seems to be maa03s31-in-f14.1e100.net
[10:26] <EriC^^> murthy: PING youtube-ui.l.google.com (172.217.21.78) 56(84) bytes of data.64 bytes from mrs08s05-in-f14.1e100.net
[10:32] <faLUCE> Hello. If I install hass with a prebuilt image, can I add mosquitto (by installing it from terminal, for example) ?
[10:32] <faLUCE> sorry, I sent the msg to the wrong channel
[10:32] <dedsec1571> wkwkwkwkk....
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> stop that dedsec1571
[10:35] <diskin> murthy, I see error 500 and "A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation."
[10:35] <dedsec1571> sory
[10:35] <diskin> same in firefox
[10:36] <murthy> diskin: wow, nice catch
[10:36] <murthy> diskin: I think youtube is facing service disruptions
[10:37] <murthy> diskin: So we can safely assume this is not related to the recent chrome update?
[10:37] <diskin> murthy, yesss!
[10:39] <diskin> murthy, https://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks works for me, though
[10:39] <diskin> and then when I click "Videos" on that page, it loads https://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks/videos?pbjreload=10 -which is also fine
[10:40] <murthy> diskin: ya the server error happens randomly
[10:40] <diskin> well, it seems that it is fixed in general, started working in firefox as well, by the original (faulty) link
[10:41] <murthy> diskin: hope so
[10:54] <Dorfen> Hi, I just installed latest updates on ubuntu 18.04 - this resulted in black screen on login if more than 2 displays connected. 4 people in the office have the exact issue - seems to be X11 related as a login with X11 as window manager results in black screens, but wayland lets me log in, although rearanging screens here results in a complete freeze. Anyone experienced this also and got a fix?
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> Dorfen: do you have intel gpu and external monitors?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:56] <Dorfen> lotuspsychje: yes i do, integrated in the motherboard
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> Dorfen: might be this known bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1813663
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> Dorfen: try booting system into -43 kernel
[10:57] <Dorfen> how would i go about doing that?
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> Dorfen: you can boot a previous kernel from grub as a test
[10:59] <Dorfen> i will try this, thank you! brb
[11:00] <jngk> I'm controlling a gunicorn process with supervisor. The process tree looks like, A -> B -> {C,D,E,F}
[11:01] <jngk> Killing A, either with 'supervisorctl stop A' or kill -SIGTERM A, does not kill the children.
[11:01] <jngk> Killing B does.
[11:01] <jngk> This is a bit of an issue, because supervisor isn't stopping my application.
[11:02] <zamba> hm.. the ubuntu 18.04 server installation is failing when attempting to install on esxi hypervisor
[11:02] <murthy> jngk: I have seen this happen usually
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> zamba: join #ubuntu-server please
[11:02] <zamba> the regular installation just goes into a greyish-pink screen with no output
[11:02] <murthy> jngk: I mean for local process
[11:03] <murthy> jngk: on desktop
[11:03] <jngk> murthy: can i specify to supervisor to kill all the child processes?
[11:03] <murthy> jngk: sorry, I have no Idea of server stuff
[11:04] <iomari> greetings, is ifupdown needed if I'm using network manager?
[11:04] <murthy> jngk: I seen this behavior with desktop process
[11:07] <murthy> jngk: A is not a daemon right?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> iomari, don't know for sure , but I do know it's needed if you don't use NM and use the interfaces file instead
[11:09] <BluesKaj> but if it's installed along side NM then I wouldn't remove it
[11:10] <Beam_Inn_> hello.
[11:11] <Beam_Inn_> I'm trying to find the right programming language for focusing objects via hotkey in ubuntu.
[11:11] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: Hi
[11:11] <Beam_Inn_> murdthe hello
[11:12] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: use tab to complete nicks
[11:12] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: what do you mean by object
[11:13] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: Do you mean object in terms of object oriented programming or object in terms of computer vision?
[11:14] <Beam_Inn_> sections/regions/views/content of a computer program
[11:15] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: have you known the application named actiona?
[11:15] <Beam_Inn_> for example, left-region, File drop-down item region (view of Open), content region->view of page 30->view of {search term}.
[11:16] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: it uses qt scripting
[11:16] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: I am not sure but I have seen some where that Qt scripting is getting deprecated
[11:16] <Beam_Inn_> Well, I ran into a few softwares that were capable of this (not sure if qt scripting or actiona is one of them)...  I'm looking for something simple so I can read the whole source code.
[11:17] <Beam_Inn_> ahk (auto hotkey) might be an option, but I suspect something as low-level as C++ or bash would be ideal
[11:17] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: I am using that on windows
[11:17] <Beam_Inn_> yeah, that's why I'm going to be shelling windows.
[11:18] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: But ahk uses some scripting language?
[11:18] <Beam_Inn_> It is.  AHK is a scripting language.
[11:18] <Beam_Inn_> I think it's incredibly fast so I shouldn't have an issue with using it, but the fact that it's not anywhere near core or popular with lamen users, I am reluctant to use it.
[11:19] <Beam_Inn_> I also feel like when I get down to C++ (for example), people will say "we don't support custom libraries/functions", and I'll be at a dead hault.\
[11:20] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: you want to automate for your stuff or you want to develop for everyone?
[11:20] <Beam_Inn_> In terms of integra--  I dunno, I might port this to C++
[11:20] <Beam_Inn_> that's basically the last thing I was going to say: I'd like to be more open with a lot of the code.
[11:20] <Beam_Inn_> Basically, with things that shouldn't be back-breaking to use.
[11:20] <Beam_Inn_> Like gimp, for example.
[11:21] <Beam_Inn_> Just to give people who contribute a very nice advantage that they earn, themselves.
[11:23] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: I dont know If there is one for the criteria you said. The best option for you I would recommend you is Qt with low level operating system api/interface. Take a look at actiona. You may know qt is cross platform
[11:23] <stront2> tomreyn: i read about the option at https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/cryptsetup/crypttab.5.en.html and when i cross checked with the page you linked me i noticed they were using the option on their mirror root device.  (It wasn't obvious from a quick readthrough because the lines are long and you have to scroll the windows to read them).
[11:23] <Beam_Inn_> murthy, I'll set it up and give it a shot.  thank you.
[11:24] <Beam_Inn_> but also I'll ask a few other channels.
[11:24] <murthy> Beam_Inn_: Sure, you are welcome. Try also in #qt
[11:24] <stront2> tomreyn: i then tried it and it worked like it always used to, and the warnings about maybe crypt stuff wont be in initramfs was gone.
[11:25] <stront2> tomreyn: a bug report AND a pull request to make a note about it on the official ZFS on linux wiki are on my todo list for tonight.
[11:27] <zetheroo> Is it possible that a very recent update broke the ability to have video output on my docking station while the laptop lid is closed?
[11:27] <zetheroo> after trying every combination I could think of I did a reinstall and it was working (18.04) ... then I installed all the updates and ... broken!
[11:29] <zetheroo> docking station video outputs work ONLY with the laptop lid open  - if I close the screen all displays go off and laptop is non-responsive and no image on laptop screen. Nothing but cold power off, and back on again, can get it going.
[11:32] <zetheroo> any ideas?
[11:34] <Beam_Inn_> zetheroo, yes.
[11:34] <EriC^^> zetheroo: maybe it's suspending?
[11:34] <zetheroo> EriC^^: It might be trying to, but it's not succeeding.
[11:35] <zooper> zetheroo: you've most likely been affected by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813663
[11:35] <zetheroo> I have been using this setup for nearly 5 years now and never had this happen - never - and that was also with 16.04.
[11:36] <zetheroo> zooper: oh my ... I have the same kernel installed here 4.15.0-44-generic
[11:37] <zooper> zetheroo: i had the same issue my self. So either downgrade your kernel for now, or install the test kernel mentioned in the bug
[11:38] <zetheroo> zooper: I am not sure I have the previous kernel installed ... 4.15.0-44-generic
[11:38] <zetheroo> sorry .. 4.15.0-43
[11:41] <zetheroo> any idea how long it would take for the fixed kernel to be released?
[11:42] <zooper> zetheroo: you should be able to pick the previous one from the grub menu when booting up your machine.
[11:42] <zooper> No idea, sorry. But since the issue have been identified i think quite soon
[11:42] <zetheroo> zooper: ok
[11:44] <zetheroo> will reboot into the previous kernel and try again on the dock....
[11:44] <iomari> BluesKaj: thanks. I'm having issues suddenly with my network config all looking very normal but unable to pass packets unless I reboot. I;m using netplan but it passes it off to network manager. It was working fine until monday.
[11:45] <BluesKaj> iomari, make sure NM isn't commented out in netplan
[11:46] <iomari> BluesKaj: it's not
[11:46] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:46] <zetheroo> awesome - back with all 3 external screens!
[11:47] <zooper> zetheroo: :)
[11:47] <iomari> very frustasting. It's working now but in a few minutes it may just stop communicating with no obvious reason.
[11:47] <zetheroo> ... only wasted half the day trying to figure out what the heck was going on :P
[11:47] <zetheroo> zooper: thanks for the head-up on that bug report!
[11:48] <zooper> zetheroo: np! Glad it helped you out!
[11:49] <BluesKaj> iomari, I use ifupdown and /etc/network/interfaces with dhcp rather than NM on my desktop pc, but that's with an ethernet connection, wifi however gets too complex so i go with NM on the laptop
[11:50] <iomari> BluesKaj: It's my laptop I'm talking about that uses wifi and lan depending on where I'm at.
[11:52] <duo_ubuntu> Hello, can anyone help me, Im facing cannot login to desktop on ubuntu 16.04 and always blank screen after change the resolution, Im using recovery mode to get in now... PLEASE HELP?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> ok, iomari  let me check the laptop ifupdown and netplan
[11:52] <iomari> BluesKaj: when this problem started, I started switching back and forth between netpaln, interfaces and networkmanger until I finally stayed with networkmanager via netplan. But I only have partial e\relief as I've stated.
[11:53] <duo_ubuntu> anyone can help me please?
[11:53] <iomari> BluesKaj: interfaces kept configuring wifi only even though lan was correctly configured also.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> iomari, is ifupdown in networkmanager.conf  "managed=false" that's the default
[12:00] <jluc> duo_ubuntu, you can change the password - search on internetz
[12:01] <jluc> for example http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[12:01] <duo_ubuntu> jluc: not password, but black after fill the password, seems resolution
[12:02] <duo_ubuntu> I did try change on grub setting and update it but seemd its not there
[12:05] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: hi
[12:05] <duo_ubuntu> hi murthy
[12:05] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: what did you before when you are not able to get the gui login screen
[12:06] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: I mean what did you do before
[12:06] <duo_ubuntu> I change resolution on setting display
[12:06] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: Install any proprietary driver? or change xorg settings?
[12:07] <duo_ubuntu> murthy: so it seems wont startup to desktop
[12:08] <duo_ubuntu> well before that I install metacity and then remove it then change resolution
[12:08] <duo_ubuntu> I think metacity is not related? I remove them now already
[12:10] <murthy> BluesKaj: what is ubuntu's(in 18.10) greeter called>
[12:11] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: are you on terminal now?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> murthy, LightDM Arctica Greeter
[12:13] <duo_kali> murthy: sorry that problem laptop restarting after I try sudo killall xorg
[12:14] <ceibal> ubuntu
[12:14] <ceibal> nico
[12:15] <duo_kali> murthy: now is working after killall xorg
[12:15] <murthy> duo_kali:  you where duo_ubuntu?
[12:15] <duo_kali> but seem my desktop is very slow and heavy
[12:15] <duo_kali> wait, try re login to ubuntu
[12:16] <noals> hi, can someone help me to get some sound ? it's weird, it was working when my installation was messed up by secure and fast boot but now that ubuntu is well installed, i dont have sound anymore
[12:17] <duo_ubuntu> Hi murthy
[12:18] <duo_ubuntu> now is working after kill all xorg and do nomodeset
[12:18] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: hi
[12:18] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: you have to "kill all xorg" every time?
[12:19] <duo_ubuntu> but my desktop and browser seem heavy, how to get the lighter desktop?
[12:19] <duo_ubuntu> murthy: no need
[12:19] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: good'
[12:20] <duo_ubuntu> I did try twice, but will do try after changing to a lighter desktop
[12:20] <duo_ubuntu> murthy: can you show me how to change to lighter desktop? now my browser even heavy
[12:20] <duo_ubuntu> typing also heavy
[12:21] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: what process and graphics card do you have?
[12:21] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: I mean processor
[12:21] <duo_ubuntu> VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G96M [GeForce 9600M GT] (rev a1) 	Subsystem: Apple Inc. G96M [GeForce 9600M GT]
[12:22] <duo_ubuntu> core 2duo intel mac
[12:22] <duo_ubuntu> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8600  @ 2.40GHz
[12:23] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: your hardware is slightly outdated, you may find it heavy
[12:23] <duo_ubuntu> murthy: even hard to use vnc, but using kali for server I can see all things, using ubuntu here, only can see mouse moving
[12:23] <duo_ubuntu> murthy: before is not heavy, after add metacity then heavy back to compiz
[12:23] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: If its availabe try lxqt, If possible try lubuntu
[12:24] <noals> TJ: hi, i saw you joined so i ask just in case, could you help me get some sound ? it's weird it was working when my installatuion was messed up yesterday because of secure and fast boot, so it was working with the live dvd but now that ubuntu is well installed i dont have sound anymore
[12:25] <acalycine> Hi. Booting from Live USB with `ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso` on an old PC. Pressing "Try ubuntu" or "Check disc for defects', for e.g., freezes and doesn't appear to respond.
[12:26] <acalycine> Tried other distros of Linux but getting freezing and then kernel panic in them.
[12:26] <TJ-> noals: I'm not a great expert on sound aside from ensuring the codec drivers are loaded and the sources/sinks are set correctly. The most common cause is the wrong device being chosen as the default. Recently that has been HDMI outputs taking precedence over the builtin sound device, so changing the default fixes that.
[12:27] <duo_ubuntu> murthy: lxqt?
[12:28] <TJ-> acalycine: 'old PC' - how old, or more precisely what make/model, what CPU architecture (32-bit, 64-bit) ?
[12:28] <noals> TJ-: what should i use to set things as default ? i tryed yesterday with qmixer or something but it didnt worked
[12:29] <TJ-> noals: usually the sound preferences dialog, but pavucontrol is my preferred avenue for GUI at least, it doesn't hide anything
[12:29] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: https://lxqt.org/
[12:29] <BluesKaj> also the intel driver bug enabling automute in alsamixer on kernel upgrades
[12:29] <murthy> BluesKaj: what intel bug?
[12:29] <noals> TJ-: thx im checking that
[12:30] <BluesKaj> well it might be a feature noals, but call it a bug because the sound is auto muted by default with our knowledge
[12:30] <TJ-> noals: also worth using 'alsamixer' in a terminal to check the hardware settings (levels, mute, etc.)
[12:31] <duo_ubuntu> murthy: just install it then it will replace the current one?
[12:32] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: I think you have to select lxqt session after install at the login screen
[12:33] <duo_ubuntu> ok, let me try
[12:33] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: I dont think It will replace the current stuff
[12:33] <duo_ubuntu> thanks murthy
[12:33] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: I will installed parallel
[12:33] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: yw
[12:33] <duo_ubuntu> paralel?
[12:34] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: side by side
[12:34] <murthy> duo_ubuntu: both will be available
[12:34] <duo_ubuntu> ok got it
[12:35] <noals> TJ-:  BluesKaj  yes and yes, it seems it was muted with the pulseaudio control and with alsamixer it seems my soundcard isnt the default one as well but not sure how to set it because it doesn't seem to work with the gui
[12:36] <TJ-> noals: In pavucontrol, on the Output tab, you should see both devices. To the right-side of each are some icons. One of those is to set the default but has some non-obvious tooltip text like "Fallback"
[12:37] <TJ-> noals: Green dot with a 'tick' on it
[12:38] <BluesKaj> noals, set your default card wit F6 in alsamixer then run sudo alsactl store afterwards
[12:38] <BluesKaj> "sudo alsactl store"
[12:39] <noals> TJ-:  BluesKaj  ok did it all i think, but still no sound, i will restart just in case brb
[12:40] <duo_ubuntu> murty: dependency of qt5Core :-( when install tools for liblxqt
[12:43] <BluesKaj> noals, sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel ...there won't be any output if the driver loads properly
[12:44] <duo_ubuntu>  Could not find a configuration file for package "Qt5Core" that is   compatible with requested version "5.7.1".    The following configuration files were considered but not accepted:      /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/Qt5Core/Qt5CoreConfig.cmake, version: 5.5.1
[12:44] <duo_ubuntu> I hate when dependencies happen for version
[12:44] <noals_> still no sound
[12:45] <BluesKaj> rebooted?
[12:45] <noals_> TJ-: BluesKaj   still no sound but i wonder if it doesnt have anything to do with my bios ye si just rebooted
[12:46] <noals_> BluesKaj: i dont think it saved the device by defaut through i did what you said
[12:46] <BluesKaj> could  have if you have a non default setting assuming intel is your default audio
[12:47] <noals_> BluesKaj: well my motherboard use intel but the audio devide is desactivated since i use a usb sound card, but it use the hdmi sound of my graphic card i think
[12:48] <TJ-> noals_: show us "pastebinit <( pactl info; aplay -l; aplay -L )"
[12:48] <TJ-> noals_: which device do you want the sound to be directed to?
[12:50] <noals_> https://pastebin.com/NST50Dxt
[12:50] <noals_> TJ-: BluesKaj  i want it to use the usb sound card, scarlett 18i20
[12:51] <TJ-> noals_: USB is already the default: "Destination par défaut : alsa_output.usb-Focusrite_Scarlett_18i20_USB-00.multichannel-output"
[12:51] <BluesKaj> noals_, ok try this , open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-case.conf and add this line to the bottom and save the file,  options snd-usb-audio index=0
[12:51] <BluesKaj> oops  etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[12:51] <TJ-> noals_: I wonder if you've got the wrong profile selected. In 'pavucontrol' on the Configuration tab, for the USB device, try alternate profiles
[12:53] <TJ-> noals_: also, have you proved the USB device can produce sound (its hardware mute/volume may have been set externally)
[12:53] <noals_> BluesKaj:  the line exist , it is set at -2 , i put 0 ?
[12:53] <noals_> TJ-:  yes i use it wioth windows so no problem with the card
[12:54] <TJ-> noals_: if you play a music track, in 'pavucontrol' does it show the stream being sent to the USB device? If it shows it going to another device, you can 'move' the stream to the desired device using the controls to the right of the stream
[12:55] <TJ-> noals_: that'd be on the "Playback" tab I think
[12:55] <BluesKaj> noals_, yes 0 means default
[12:56] <noals_> TJ-:  and my usb soundcard is actually set in the pulseaudio thing, dunno its confusing, i had the same problem with ubuntu 14 recompiled the kernel and all, nothing worked and it only worked yesterday when my ubuntu installation was messed up with fast boot and secure boot enabled
[12:56] <BluesKaj> give the intel the -2
[12:56] <TJ-> noals_: also, on 'pavucontrol' Output Devices tab, check the correct 'Port' is chosen (it could be directing to headphones)
[12:57] <noals_> BluesKaj: it doesnt seem to have any defaut device set at 0 Oo
[12:57] <BluesKaj> noals_, the audio has nothing to do with secure or fast boot
[12:58] <noals_> BluesKaj: i know but thats the only time it worked lol
[12:58] <BluesKaj> noals_,  a reboot is probly required after that edit in alsa-base.conf
[12:58] <noals_> BluesKaj: TJ-  anyway, i restart again to see if it use well the usb card as default this time
[12:58] <noals_> brb
[12:59] <BluesKaj> noals_, TJ- has some good suggestions about pavucontrol
[13:00] <BluesKaj> wish someone would write a proper comprehensive audio suite for Linux
[13:02] <TJ-> BluesKaj: they did; Pulseaudio
[13:02] <noals> BluesKaj: TJ-  well now the pulseaudio gui doesnt' show me any device and of course still no sound lol
[13:03] <TJ-> noals_: When you get chance start a music track playing then run this command: "pastebinit <( pactl list sink-inputs; pactl list sinks )"
[13:03] <BluesKaj> pavucontrol  nor showing audio output?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> not
[13:03] <TJ-> BluesKaj: due to changing the alsa config
[13:03] <noals> BluesKaj: what was the files to me to edit ? so i change it back or see what i can do
[13:04] <BluesKaj> yeah
[13:04] <BluesKaj> pavucontrol should list the usb card
[13:05] <noals> https://pastebin.com/DneiUSzM
[13:05] <noals> TJ-: BluesKaj it use a fictive thing now
[13:07] <TJ-> noals: once you've changed the alsa configuration back to what it was, and restarted (again!) come back, play a music track and re-run the command - we have to capture the data whilst sound is being played
[13:07] <noals> ok
[13:08] <duo_ubuntu> ing testing booting login
[13:11] <noals_> TJ-:  BluesKaj  its actually the good thing running but not clue why there's still no sound
[13:11] <noals_> https://pastebin.com/mgxRzkLc
[13:15] <ioria> noals_, is it connected to a usb 3 port ?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> noals_, which player?
[13:15] <noals_> ioria: i dont know
[13:15] <ioria> noals_, should be blue
[13:15] <TJ-> noals_: well, everything the operating system sees says it is sending the data to the device - but the number of channels being shown in the profile looks suspicious to me. That comes from the chosen 'profile' (in pavucontrol) so I'd test with other profiles including starting with a basic 2-channel stereo profile
[13:15] <noals_> BluesKaj: ryhtmbox
[13:16] <duo_ubuntu> murthy: is there any other easier lighter desktop than lxqt?
[13:16] <jpmh> how does ubuntu prevent : su root ?
[13:16] <duo_ubuntu> xcfe is not light ya?
[13:16] <TJ-> noals_: also, if the USB device has an SPDIF output it could be directing the data to that - how is the USB device hooked up to the speakers? directly via analgoue audio cables, or to some other device like an amplifier?
[13:17] <noals_> TJ-: my sound card have 10in 10out kinda so its normal but i dont see the profile things u talk about in the pulse audio control
[13:17] <BluesKaj> noals_,pavucontrol
[13:17] <noals_> TJ-:  audio cable to speakers, i use the output 1 and 2 normally, nothing special here either
[13:18] <noals_> BluesKaj:  yes that
[13:18] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:19] <noals_> BluesKaj:  but thats why i talked to u about the bios because it actually worked when the live dvd, thats the only time iwas able to get sound on ubuntu
[13:19] <noals_> BluesKaj:  maybe the hdmi driver wasnt loaded at this point so it took well the usb card by default , dunno, its weird
[13:20] <noals_> TJ-:  BluesKaj  everything is set well it seems, or well configured kinda but i just doesnt have sound, on ubuntu 14 it was the same, reconfigured alsa, recompiled it, recompiled the kernel and all but no sound either i just dont know what to do
[13:21] <TJ-> noals_: Hmmm, the 'no profiles' on the pavucontrol 'Configuration' tab could be issue. I do remember there used to be problems that after initial log-on that sometimes isn't correctly populated. But it may be that USB device just doesn't offer profiles. Let's check on that: "pastebinit <( pactl list cards )"
[13:21] <TJ-> noals_: I think it is a problem with the Scarlett 18i20 driver
[13:22] <noals_> TJ-:  but how is it possible that it worked with the live dvd but not here
[13:22] <BluesKaj> noals_, wel;l as tj poined out earlier , HDMI seems to be default and it has to be redirected thru the usb card .. one question, , does the audio work with out the usb soundcard?
[13:23] <noals_> TJ-:  BluesKaj  https://pastebin.com/qsRkzLVc
[13:23] <noals_> BluesKaj:  it cant seem my speakers are on the usb card
[13:23] <BluesKaj> noals_, the live sesion dvd probly bypassed the usb
[13:24] <noals_> BluesKaj:  not the sound can only come from my speaker that are pluged on the usb card
[13:24] <noals_> no*
[13:24] <BluesKaj> can you plug the speakers into the default audio output ?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> analog most likely
[13:25] <noals_> BluesKaj:  TJ-  but yes i think it have to do with the hdmi drivers, i guess the live dvd didnt loaded well the graphic drivers with the hdmi sound driver so it took the usb by default and it worked
[13:26] <ioria> noals_, stupid q . : have you tried another usb port ?
[13:26] <noals_> BluesKaj:  euh well, i forgot something, since its hmdi the sound may have come out from my screen, i use a tv but things are pluged as well anyway so it doesnt change a thing
[13:27] <noals_> ioria:  no
[13:27] <noals_> TJ-:  BluesKaj  ioria  and i dont plug in the motherboard soundcard since it is desactivated because i use the usb one
[13:28] <ioria> noals_, let's try; connect it to a usb 2 port
[13:28] <TJ-> noals_: so the device only has 2 profiles, one of which is just the duplex profile, so that isn't an issue
[13:28] <noals_> BluesKaj:  TJ-  ioria  i gues my question is how i desactvate those hda nvidia device from my graphic card since i dont need those
[13:29] <noals_> ioria:  ok... not sure which is which but i can change the usb port ^^
[13:29] <TJ-> noals_: everything pulseaudio reports looks correct. The only thing I can imagine is something in the underlying ALSA driver layer (in kernel) is causing a problem
[13:30] <noals_> TJ-:  i tryed to recompile the kernel when i was using ubuntu 14, didnt fixed anything either
[13:30] <BluesKaj> noals_, is your default audio intel hda ? if so it provides all the codecs and surround sound type outputs thru the hdmi
[13:30] <TJ-> noals_: recompiling wouldn't achieven anything; Ubuntu already has the driver included
[13:30] <noals_> BluesKaj:  i dont know but that surely not the default one i want
[13:31] <BluesKaj> what kind of sound are you trying to get with the usb card ?
[13:31] <noals_> ioria: i tryed annother port but it didnt change anything
[13:31] <ioria> noals_, ok
[13:31] <noals_> BluesKaj:  just music basically or video, its just that i want to be able to listen to music while i do some programming..
[13:32] <TJ-> noals_: Have you by chance installed the JACK audio daemon ?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> then why not just use your default intel audio ?
[13:32] <noals_> TJ-:  no i installed ubuntu yesterday ^^; u were there lol
[13:33] <BluesKaj> anyway , stuff to do for a few mins ...bbl
[13:33] <ioria> noals_, audacious might help you to debug it (starting it from terminal)
[13:34] <TJ-> noals_: ooooo I think I may have found a clue. Tell me, did you configure the Scarlett in Windows and use it?
[13:35] <noals_> TJ-:  of course but i also find a solution i think because i made a mistake
[13:35] <TJ-> noals_: and have you, since then, *totally* removed power from the Scarlett?
[13:35] <noals_> TJ-: my tv isnt pluged with hdmi, its pluged in vga or somethig so i can use hdmi to plug my tv and have the linux sound i guess
[13:36] <TJ-> noals_: I've found some reports that indicate Windows can put the device into a state where Linux cannot get it to produce sound
[13:36] <noals_> TJ-: yes i cut the power when i dont use my computer
[13:37] <noals_> TJ-: maybe, but i will try with the hdmi, i will be simpler i think, i go grab a cable and test things out, i will come back later if i have anything working or not
[13:37] <noals_> cya
[13:38] <coconut> jm
[13:38] <coconut> oops
[13:42] <TJ-> noals_: I also see several reports the device needs to be powered-up and plugged in before the PC boots, and others reporting it can fail in USB 3 ports (due to over/under-runs which should be reported via dmesg)
[13:42] <coconut> jpmh: with sudo
[13:42] <coconut> !sudo | jpmh
[13:49] <noals> TJ-: BluesKaj  well i tryed in hdmi but i still got no sound
[13:50] <Sven_vB> hi! any ideas how I can change the date/time format but keep other aspects of my locale in Thunderbird 60.4.0 (32-bit) on Ubuntu trusty?
[13:51] <noals> TJ-: BluesKaj  it doesnt even use the hdmi, it use a fictive out ..
[13:52] <noals> bah i give up for now, i will try other things, its a pain
[13:54] <TJ-> BluesKaj: noals has gone but I think I just found the solution. Apparently the device may only work with a 48KHz sample rate and the logs we have show it was set to 44KHz. Others report it needs a hard power reset doing (disconnecting and then the power switch held for about 10 seconds)
[13:55] <Sven_vB> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/991805 says "Thunderbird uses [the] control panel['s], time and date settings […] date format under Language and Region." – is there an LC_* env var with the same effect?
[13:55] <coconut> Sven_vB: by using evolution instead? (i don't know for thunderbird)
[13:55] <Sven_vB> just found http://kb.mozillazine.org/Date_display_format , I'll try that first
[13:55] <albech> anyone know how to push dns servers obtained from openvpn lease as the primary dns servers? this problem was introduced with 17.08 with systemd. In 16.04 the problem was fixed by disabling dnsmasq. as you can see the dns is passed on to the client, it just doesnt get queried. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJWbTkW4Hs/ i can dig at the two dns's manually.
[14:00] <Sven_vB> eww ok TB already uses LC_TIME=C, it's just that somehow my C local has an unexpected date format in it.
[14:01] <Sven_vB> anyone know a locale where dates are ordered year, month, day?
[14:04] <Sven_vB> albech, until you find a good solution, you could have your firewall block the other DNS servers. :D
[14:13] <vincenzoml> Hi
[14:13] <Sven_vB> so I'm trying to render date/time in Interlingua, using LC_TIME=ia.UTF-8 date '+%X , %x' … is "ia" the correct locale identifier?
[14:14] <Sven_vB> (WP-en says it is in ISO 639-1)
[14:14] <vincenzoml> My thunderbolt port was working just great on 18.10 thinkpad carbon x1, then I did two things: 1) install virtualbox and 2) reboot in windows once. Now I can't see the thnuderbolt adapter. I also changed the bios TB security level to none but I can't use the TB adapter anymore. Suggestions?
[14:15] <Sven_vB> ah I see I'd need french with interlingua, that doesn't seem to be supported..
[14:20] <Sven_vB> or maybe I dont? "grep -m 1 -B 1 Interlingua /usr/share/locale/all_languages" says "[ia]¶ Name=Interlingua"
[14:20] <Sven_vB> however "LC_TIME=nso date +%x" prints as mm/dd/yy
[14:31] <Sven_vB> so I enabled locale ia, ran sudo locale-gen, still wrong date format
[14:32] <Sven_vB> also tried LC_DATE but that seems to not be a thing, or at least LC_TIME overrides LC_DATE
[14:33] <Sven_vB> found one, sv_SE.UTF-8 works for yyyy-mm-dd.
[14:36] <warbo> hi, I'm chrooting into an Ubuntu 18.10 filesystem (taken from a docker image, but I don't use docker); but I can't 'apt-get update' since I can't resolve security.ubuntu.com or archive.ubuntu.com
[14:36] <warbo> I've looked in the /etc/resolv.conf and it's an empty file
[14:36] <blackflow> warbo: copy it off the host
[14:37] <warbo> ah, OK
[14:40] <albech> Sven_vB: yes, but I need that DNS when NOT on the VPN :)
[14:40] <Sven_vB> albech, yeah of course you'd un/block them dynamically via ifupdown or sth
[14:45] <TJ-> albech: Currently there is no solution for that. I did some extensive research when you asked yesterday
[14:46] <TJ-> albech: is the DNS servers provided for the VPN only authoratitive for domain(s) on the VPN, or is it intended to handle all lookups
[14:48] <linux23dragon> hello
[14:53] <warbo> blackflow: cool, that worked (actually, echoing 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' since that's more reproducible than depending on the host :) )
[14:55] <blackflow> warbo: maybe, but by defautl you have a local resolver systemd-resolved, so it'll always resolve according to whatever configuration is received (eg, think roaming through wifi networks)
[14:56] <blackflow> though I personally dislike and disable systemd-resolved -- but if you intend to use chroots, you should have A local resolver
[14:57] <Cyber_3L1T3> hai
[14:57] <Cyber_3L1T3> hekel bgsd taek ayk war sini ajggg dsar hekel banci ngentodd
[14:58] <Cyber_3L1T3> ajgg nggk ada yg berani war sama gue payah noob
[15:04] <saladass420> !help
[15:04] <deanman> Is there a way to reset display options on a 18.04? For some reason if try make any changes on the "Displays" configuration on my multi-monitor setup i end up with black screens that i can only resolve by restarting the laptop.
[15:04] <TJ-> warbo: My default actions when working with chroots is to bind mount /etc/resolv.conf: "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts run etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"
[15:05] <Sven_vB> deanman, remote control (SSH, VNC) are very hand in those cases, esp. because you can then use xrandr via SSH to see what's going on
[15:05] <Sven_vB> and also to fix it
[15:05] <TJ-> deanman: If the GPU is Intel i915, it's a bug due to linux-image-4.15.0-44 ... until it is fixed boot with the -43 kernel
[15:05] <Sven_vB> deanman, you could also use one of the text consoles for xrandr
[15:05] <zetheroo> to disable a service from autostart I did this: systemctl disable service_name
[15:06] <zetheroo> is that the correct way to do it?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> !systemd | zetheroo start here
[15:06] <warbo> TJ-: wow, I didn't realise files could be bind mounted
[15:06] <deanman> Sven_vB, nice hints
[15:06] <warbo> TJ-: (and I obviously didn't want to bind-mount the whole of /etc)
[15:06] <deanman> TJ-, it's a Intel 620 (Kabylake GT2)
[15:06] <leftyfb> TJ-: any idea if the 4.18 hwe kernel gets around that issue? I was experiencing it at work with my xps13 and the thunderbolt dock
[15:06] <TJ-> deanman: Bug #1813663
[15:06] <Sven_vB> deanman, just make sure to use the correct $DISPLAY – :10 usually is the forwarded wirh SSH
[15:07] <TJ-> leftyfb: are the patches in that too!?
[15:07] <leftyfb> not sure, that's why I'm asking :)
[15:07] <deanman> TJ-, so a quick workaround is just to fall back to a previous kernel during boot screen?
[15:07] <leftyfb> comment 20 seems to say 4.18 fixed it
[15:08] <BluesKaj> TJ-, I was gone for a while but thanks for the heads up about the sampling rate on noals' audio connection ..another thing to remember about linux audio problems :-)
[15:08] <TJ-> deanman: correct
[15:09] <TJ-> leftyfb: Must be a different cause if it started happening recently - the suspect patch has been around for a long time (since just after 4.15 was released) but was only recently cherry-picked into the Ubuntu 4.15 series
[15:10] <TJ-> BluesKaj: Everything I found suggests its a device problem - the manufacturer doesn't support Linux, the protocol had to be reverse-engineered, it diverges from the USB Audio Class it claims to use, etc.
[15:10] <leftyfb> TJ-: I noticed it when I got the update to -44 from -43. Reverting back to 43 got around it. Then I updated to hwe (4.18) and haven't been back at my office to test it yet
[15:11] <TJ-> leftyfb: ahhh... then unless you tell me v4.18 is broken the same way I'm guessing not since I've not seen any reports for 4.18
[15:12] <deanman> TJ-, that worked, you saved me a lot of time debugging
[15:12] <TJ-> deanman: you can make the coffee then :p
[15:13] <ioria> TJ-, there is (not quite the same) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1791822
[15:13] <TJ-> We've confirmed reverting 1 commit fixes this so there should be linux-image-4.15.0-45 arriving very soon
[15:13] <BluesKaj> TJ-, I still he'd be better off with the default sound card since intel drivers can deliver multiple audio channels thru the HDMI connection
[15:14] <BluesKaj> still think
[15:14] <EriC^^> sh: 1: bla: not found
[15:14] <EriC^^> aplay: playback:2716: read error
[15:15] <TJ-> ioria: different issue, that is an AMD GPU
[15:15] <ioria> yes
[15:16] <elh> mysql root field on ubuntu 18.04 is empty. Is this how it works here?
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> elh: what do you mean "root field" ?
[15:17] <TJ-> deanman: the fixed kernel is in the bionic-proposed pocket: linux-image-4.15.0-45-generic/bionic-proposed 4.15.0-45.48 amd64
[15:18] <elh> pragmaticenigma: table field for root user
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> !details | elh
[15:22] <elh> pragmaticenigma: the authentication_string column in mysql table with root user is empty and I'm not able to change the password for root user. Is this how it is in U 18.04?
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> elh: that is because you shouldn't be using root for anything in mysql anymore. you should have setup a user on install
[15:23] <TJ-> elh: see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16556497/how-to-reset-or-change-the-mysql-root-password#16556534
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> elh: If mysql is installed from ubuntu packages, it would have prompted you during the installation
[15:23] <ghostnik11> how can i get nautlius to show at the bottom how much disk space i have available
[15:24] <TJ-> elh: note at the end "sudo mysql_secure_installation"
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> elh: ( TJ- ) The password is left blank on purpose, when it is blank it prevents anyone from accessing the server as a root, which is a security implementation. There is no reason you will need the root user for mysql. Everything can be done with a regular user account with the privileges set for server administration.
[15:25] <elh> pragmaticenigma: I don't remember everything during installation. There were some password prompts, but there were also some errors during installation.
[15:26] <elh> pragmaticenigma: I've done mysql_secure_installation.
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> elh: mysql_secure_installation script removes the root password
[15:26] <elh> pragmaticenigma: there should be some secure_instalation_verification as well.
[15:26] <elh> pragmaticenigma: why there is still a root user? is it safe to have him there?
[15:27] <net4all> I am trying to export an kerberised nfsv4 from Ubuntu 18.04. When I access the exported and mounted dir using root and an user principal it works. If I use the normal user account and principal the nfs server hangs completely. Since the server kernel hangs I do not have any logs. Where do I even start... :(
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> elh: the root user is used for internal functions, the server uses that internally. As for everything else, when installing the isntaller should have made an account for your local user (the one used during installation) and the password it prompted you for was for your user
[15:28] <James1138> General question about Xubuntu 18.04.  Getting fed up with systemd and I see tricks on how to purge it. Anyway to install Ubuntu in general without systemd?
[15:28] <TJ-> James1138: no
[15:29] <legreffier> James1138: not with any of the official flavors afaik
[15:29] <TJ-> James1138: if you want that use one of the Debian-based alternatives
[15:31] <elh> pragmaticenigma: so this "debian" one is the real user, but I'm not logged in as "debian", but as a "root" (mysql> status;)
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> elh: there has been a bug where the default localmachine can access only is setup to only listen on the IPv4 localhost address, while mysql clients try to access localhost via the internal IPv6 localhost address
[15:31] <James1138> TJ thanks for the thought but stuff like Kodi 18 is not yet out for Debian and I doubt I have skills or desire to compile from source. For me it appears easier just purge systemd and replace it.
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> elh: I would suggest purging the installation and starting over
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> elh: This time... pay attention to the install (DO NOT WALK AWAY) and make note of the prompts
[15:32] <deanman> TJ-, sure, i can also buymeacofee.com for you
[15:32] <a__pi> James1138: you can use kodi18 from flatpak in debian
[15:33] <ubuntutr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Prx_2YEm8
[15:33] <ubuntutr> i cant
[15:33] <James1138> flakpak... does that require systemd?
[15:34] <a__pi> not sure
[15:35] <TJ-> James1138: what has made you fed up with systemd?
[15:36] <James1138> Every so often I get a crash related to some "mount" error.
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> James1138: and how did you come to the conclusion that systemd was at fault?
[15:36] <James1138> google search
[15:36] <TJ-> James1138: on the face of it 'mount' isn't related to systemd, are you referring to a required mount operation during start-up due to an /etc/fstab entry?
[15:38] <James1138> I am not sure - fearful of any change to system. Thinking about Devuan (Debian without systemd) and just learning to live with not the latest versions.
[15:39] <James1138> "live without" - sorry
[15:39] <a__pi> Every so often I get a crash related to some "mount" error <- do you have any of that error message?
[15:39] <TJ-> James1138: well it sounds rather like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If there are mount operations causing 'crashes' that suggests a deeper underlying problem
[15:40] <James1138> not at this time
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> mount failures sound more like hardware failure somewhere in the system
[15:40] <blackflow> vast majority of systemd issues are caused by bad config (and thus correctable by the operator)
[15:40] <murthy> pragmaticenigma: or a wrong uuid?
[15:41] <elh> pragmaticenigma: mysql purged and reinstalled with mysql_secure_installation, but the result is the same.
[15:41] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: or missing file-system drivers even! (we had a server 'sysadmin' caused that yesterday, root-fs wouldn't mount and kernel strack-traced during fs_get_type() ... he'd blacklisted the btrfs module!)
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> elh: Don't run mysql_secure_installation until you have everything setup!
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> elh: verify that things are working ... and that you can log in... otherwise you are complicating the issue with more stuff
[15:44] <elh> pragmaticenigma: people commit mistakes. mysql installation should be human-factor proof.
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> James1138: Ultimately, the ansewr to your question is no,  there isn't a way to remove systemd from Ubuntu or install Ubuntu without systemd. You are welcome to try other distributions. But the concensus here is systemd isn't to blame. and further troubleshooting is needed to find the actual cause of your system instability.
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> elh: I'm aware of the issue surrounding mysql installer with Ubuntu. but I never run any lock down or securing tools on an application until I have verified everything is working.
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> elh: best practice for me is to Install, verify, customize and configure, verify again, then lock down/secure
[15:46] <elh> What is the correct mysql installation scheme with verification, because this one is wrong: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-mysql-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[15:46] <ioria> elh, this is one of the cmd ran by that routine: DELETE FROM mysql.user WHERE user='root' AND Host NOT IN ('localhost','127.0.0.1', '::1');
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> for starters... don't use that website
[15:47] <ioria> *run
[15:48] <ca_cabotage> hey guys i have a VM stuck in a login loop, it was working previously, and is not using any of the known issue graphics cards. it's kubuntu 18.04 and it is up to date. I'm logged in for cli acces rn, i've tried several different desktop environments, none of which work. I believe that the disk is full and that might be the issue - how can i fix this?
[15:48] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: which kernel version?
[15:48] <elh> pragmaticenigma: is there any better, alternative ubuntu-recommended website?
[15:49] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: check disk usage with "df -h" and "df -i"
[15:50] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, 4.15.0-43-generic
[15:50] <ca_cabotage> @TJ 4.15.0-43-generic
[15:52] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-,  4.15.0-43-generic, and the disk is deffo full
[15:52] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: does it have a separate /home/ file-system?
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> elh: this is a much more thorough explination: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-mysql-on-ubuntu-18-04 ... otherwise stick to Ubuntu.com domains like community.ubuntu.com and the like. Those are the official guides that are monitored, and updated by the same people here
[15:53] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, errr, idk? like is home on a separate device?
[15:53] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: you'd have seen it listed by those 'df' commands if it is
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> elh: You'll note the digital ocean also makes use of the mysql_secure_intallation script... however it goes on for setting up users and everything else
[15:54] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: in the "Mounted on" column there would be "/home"
[15:54] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, no there's not a seperate home
[15:55] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, I've expanded the virtual disk in esxi - I just need to expand the disk on the guest OS i believe (if running out of space is my issue).
[15:55] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: OK, well, to identify where most of the space is being used: "sudo du -x -d 3 -h | sort -h"
[15:57] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: It depends on how the 'disk' is being presented and is partitioned. Show us "nc termbin.com 9999 < <( lsblk )"
[15:57] <elh> pragmaticenigma: if there is any other, better instruction on how to securely install mysql, than let me know about it. I can create a website with this instruction, if no other website exists with correct, ubuntu-recommended, clear, verified instruction.
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> elh: Digital Ocean instructions are about the only reference I use when I can't find something from an Ubuntu support page
[15:59] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, i know where the space is being used, a bunch of media
[15:59] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, http://termbin.com/fc0h
[16:01] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: looks like it should be reasonably easier to resize it online
[16:01] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: are you currently the 'root' user?
[16:01] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, as in easier to do it on the running system as opposed to using a gparted live cd or something?
[16:01] <albech> TJ-: The internal DNS behind the openvpn server can handle all lookups. I am really surprised that there is no solution for this.
[16:01] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, yes i have root access
[16:02] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: Resizing sda1 to use all of the space on sda: "sudo parted /dev/sda resizepart 1 100%"
[16:02] <ca_cabotage> wow, that is surprising
[16:03] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: what file-system does sda1 use? "blkid /dev/sda1"
[16:04] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, it's giving me a warning that sda1 is in use and "invalid token: 100%"
[16:04] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: hmmmph! let me check
[16:04] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, it's ext4
[16:05] <noals> TJ-: BluesKaj i got it to work, i actually installed linux mint, put pavucontrol and it work fine ... i have sound !
[16:05] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: the '100%' is valid syntax - should use all of the disk
[16:05] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, looking at man parted - do I need to use "unit %"?
[16:05] <albech> TJ-: If that is indeed the case, then it renders my 18.04 box useless and require a downgrade to 16.04 again, since I am 100% dependent on the VPN to do work in our DC. A little disappointed that systemd was not tested for such a common use case prior to implementing it into a LTS release.
[16:06] <lordcirth__> ca_cabotage, TJ- , there's also 'growpart' in the package cloud-guest-utils
[16:08] <ca_cabotage> @lordcirth__, I don't have enough space to install cloud-guest-utils XD
[16:08] <lordcirth__> lol
[16:08] <TJ-> albech: what you want is not how DNS works
[16:09] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: you should only need that if you do NOT use the units specifier in the value, but you're doing that
[16:09] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: but, try "sudo parted /dev/sda unit % resizepart 1 100"
[16:11] <albech> TJ-: it has always been possible to change the DNS server to use when connecting to a VPN, so I strongly doubt its not the way DNS works. Why does openvpn allow for a VPN to be pushed to the clients in the first place?
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> albech: All VPNs offer the ability to push DNS to the client
[16:14] <albech> pragmaticenigma: yes, but if ubuntu ignores that push its makes you wonder if all the vpn providers 'dont know how dns works' ;)
[16:14] <Some_Person> Is it possible to install just one package from "proposed"?
[16:14] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, alright cool it looks like it worked, lsblk now showing sda @ 200G and sda1 @ 200G
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> albech: By default, VPN client software do not force all DNS queries over the VPN and do not assume the VPN provides DNS services
[16:15] <TJ-> albech: That is how it is designed to work. The local resolver tries each DNS server in turn, or round-robins the list, it doesn't have an idea of 'precedence' unless associated with a search domain
[16:15] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: so final step is "sudo resize2fs /dev/sda1" which will enlarge the file-system to fill the partition
[16:16] <TJ-> albech: what you're wanting to do is *replace* the local resolver whilst the VPN is up
[16:16] <albech> TJ-: but according to my setup the DNS servers pushed by openvpn are never queried, unless i dig them manually.
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> albech: That's a configuration issue, not an error of the VPN client
[16:17] <TJ-> albech: right, because the local resolver will only try a different nameserver if it cannot get a reply from the current nameserver.
[16:17] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: now "df -h" should show free space
[16:18] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: I did a test here with '100%' and it worked so not sure why you had a problem. Possibly it could depend on which Ubuntu version you're using (older parted tool possibly)
[16:18] <albech> TJ-: exactly the point ;)
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> albech: By default, OpenVPN client appends the new DNS server IPs to the list of already configured DNS servers. There is a way to have the client remove the current DNS servers and replace them with the servers defined by the VPN
[16:18] <TJ-> albech: which takes us back to where we started - that is how DNS is designed
[16:19] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, looks like it worked, and it did work with 100%, no need to use seperate "units" option. idk why it was giving me the warning
[16:19] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: OK, so you're all sorted then
[16:20] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, yeah i tink so - it told me that i might need to update fstab? but the UUID is still the same so there shouldn't be any reason to update that right?
[16:20] <albech> pragmaticenigma: that is the solution i am looking for and it worked fine in 16.04, by disabling dnsmasq. never liked local resolving and caching in the first place.
[16:21] <TJ-> ca_cabotage: ignore that, it's a silly message
[16:21] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, thank you so much!
[16:21] <albech> TJ-: i dont think thats how dns is designed. i believe a list of dns servers are queried and whoever replies, replies, but i could be wrong.
[16:22] <TJ-> albech: yes, you're wrong. I've been working with managing DNS servers for over 20 years
[16:22] <ca_cabotage> @TJ-, the full disk is indeed what put me in the login loop - logged right in now!
[16:23] <TJ-> albech: it's a nuance that catches many out, but I do agree that there should be a way to indicate to a local resolver that you'd like it to prefer certain upstream nameservers
[16:23] <TJ-> albech: currently the only way is to remove all other upstream nameservers
[16:23] <albech> TJ-: ok ill take that, but then tell me how i should go about doing internal lookups when on the vpn.
[16:23] <TJ-> albech: as I said, what you're really wanting is to *replace* the local resolver
[16:24] <albech> TJ-: which was relatively easy prior to systemd, correct?
[16:24] <TJ-> albech: if the lookups are internal that implies that the openvpn config should be setting a search domain (or domains) for the link - in which case the local resolver will prefer those nameservers for the search domain(s)
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: would this help albech achieve their goal? http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2015/09/how-to-fix-openvpn-dns-leak-in-linux.html
[16:25] <TJ-> albech: e.g. if the search-domain is set to lan.example.com then host1.lan.example.com will be queried to the nameserver set for that link
[16:27] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I don't think so since /etc/resolv.conf is generally a symlink to systemd-resolved's file - I don't think systemd-resolved uses resolvconf - I could be wrong though so better check!
[16:28] <black_mamba> let's say I want to move all files named 100.bak all the way to 199.bak to another directory, while leaving 200-299 alone. Is there a way to perform this?
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, the article is a bit dated... couple years TJ-
[16:28] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: actually... maybe it does: "systemctl status resolvconf-pull-resolved"
[16:29] <ca_cabotage> @albech, hey I've been seeing your convo about DNS and VPN's, I was just curious what router setup you're using?
[16:29] <TJ-> black_mamba: "mv /path/to/files/1[0-9][0-9].back /path/to/backup/"
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> If albech VPN tunnel provides full DNS resolving... then this might be the ticket TJ- ?
[16:30] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: Yes, as I said earlier. But albech did mention 'internal lookups' which implies it is only wanted for a limited set of 'search domains'
[16:30] <TJ-> black_mamba: but correct my typo!!
[16:31] <black_mamba> TJ-: Thank you! I didn't know you could square braket mv :)
[16:32] <TJ-> black_mamba: it's done by the 'bash' shell as part of its expansion/globs
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> I guess in my setups, to deal with the DNS leak issue, I just have my pushed DNS server handle all requests
[16:32] <albech> TJ-, pragmaticenigma: believe this is what i experience: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/1799262
[16:33] <black_mamba> TJ-: Ohhh, ok my knowledge of bash then is clearly lacking. I'll join the bash channel and check for recommended tutorials in the header
[16:34] <albech> TJ-, pragmaticenigma: and the DNS obtained from openvpn can and should handle all lookups once connected if that makes a solution possible
[16:34] <TJ-> albech: in that bug the openvpn config is missing the search domain: "dns-search="
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> albech: if the VPN provided DNS should handle all DNS ... then the link I posted should work... it would be the same as preventing DNS leaks
[16:35] <TJ-> albech: remind us which ubuntu release you're using?
[16:36] <TJ-> hmmph! I've got a loopdev that won't disconnect :s
[16:36] <albech> pragmaticenigma: problem is that it applies to resolvconf rather than systemd, but i believe i have seen someone write a script that updates systemd somewhere along my research
[16:36] <albech> TJ-: 18.04 on my box here which is the one causing the problem and 16.04 on my notebook next to me which connect just fine.
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> albech: systemd is just a service controller... not anything more
[16:38] <albech> pragmaticenigma: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1032476/ubuntu-18-04-no-dns-resolution-when-connected-to-openvpn
[16:39] <pragmaticenigma> albech: sounds like you found the solution
[16:40] <albech> pragmaticenigma: except its not working :/
[16:41] <albech> pragmaticenigma: https://blog.syddel.uk/?p=253 more detailed description.
[16:43] <TJ-> albech: are you using network-manager to configure the openvpn connection?
[16:43] <albech> TJ-: no using terminal while testing this stuff
[16:44] <TJ-> albech: because an issue for GUI is that network-manager-openvpn-gnome doesn't provide options to set scripts
[16:44] <albech> TJ-: roger that
[16:44] <TJ-> albech: You can use the openvpn-client@ template systemd service
[16:55] <TJ-> ouch! think I've just found a bug in the network-manager-openvpn service. It sets an on-link nameserver but on removal it removes the nameserver set on the parent interface
[16:56] <lotuspsychje__> oh
[16:57] <albech> TJ-: interesting
[17:01] <TJ-> hmmm, more complicated than it looks. Using NetworkManager to manage all links, had manually done "systemd-resolve -i wlp2s0 --set-dns 1.1.1.1" so it wasn't set via NM. But somehow it was removed when I brought-up/tore-down the openVPN connection.
[17:03] <TJ-> aha, gets removed when the VPN link comes up
[17:07] <TJ-> and also removed on tear-down. Must be the way NM is using systemd-resolved
[17:09] <zuhaitz> Hi. I'm trying to install grub in a Netbook: Asus T100TAF. Is EFI. I can boot Ubuntu GNU Linux with the USB but after that there is no way for installing GRUB, I use the live USB, chroot, grub-install and this is the message: "cannot find EFI directory" 
[17:11] <zuhaitz> Can anybody help?...
[17:11] <OerHeks> asus t100 .. is that the 32 bit uefi machine with a 64 bit processor?
[17:11] <zuhaitz> yes
[17:11] <zuhaitz> xD
[17:11] <ioria> i pass on that
[17:11] <ryuo> oh joy. those are hard to get running.
[17:11] <slavanap> Hi! Could you please tell me where to look for an API for developing my own (emulated) filesystem. Preferably from userspace?
[17:13] <zuhaitz> Indeed I installed 2 years ago Ubuntu GNU Linux and Android dual boot, all working (only the webcam didnt work). But I wanted to reinstall Android (I want it as a tablet for ebooks for my mom xD) and I installed Android 8, and after that GRUB dissapeared and I dont know what I am doing wrong.
[17:14] <zuhaitz> I installed Ubuntu 16.04 (from Ubuntu.com) and Android (from Android x86 p.) and with some tutorial it worked perfectly. Now I cant :/
[17:14] <OerHeks> oh, not an ubuntu issue?
[17:14] <zuhaitz> OerHeks, Is Ubuntu what I am trying to use for grub install...
[17:14] <ksbalaji>  
[17:14] <ksbalaji> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyUnable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[17:14] <ksbalaji> (synaptic:14601): Gtk-WARNING **: 22:44:17.146: cannot open display: :0
[17:14] <ksbalaji> sorry
[17:14] <ryuo> zuhaitz: chances are you forgot to mount the ESP at /boot/efi
[17:15] <zuhaitz> ESP?
[17:15] <ryuo> but, you also need the 32 bit efi version of grub installed.
[17:15] <ryuo> ... EFI System Partition.
[17:15] <zuhaitz> I installed it in the installed system with chroot
[17:15] <ksbalaji> my sudo not working
[17:15] <ioria> ksbalaji, xhost +local:
[17:16] <zuhaitz> what is ESP ryuo ?
[17:16] <ryuo> zuhaitz: ... the partitions that EFI binaries are loaded from.
[17:16] <ryuo> if you don't have one you can't boot with efi.
[17:16] <zuhaitz> ryuo, I have an EFI partition, yes
[17:16] <ryuo> if you do, it needs to be mounted at /boot/efi
[17:16] <zuhaitz> FAT32 + boot flag
[17:16] <ryuo> otherwise grub-install won't work.
[17:17] <zuhaitz> ok ryuo
[17:17] <ryuo> bootable flag should be irrelevant to EFI.
[17:17] <ryuo> i've only seen it matter to some BIOS that won't boot Legacy drives without one marked as bootable.
[17:18] <zuhaitz> it worked
[17:18] <zuhaitz> XD
[17:18] <zuhaitz> but... efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system
[17:19] <zuhaitz> installation finnished
[17:19] <zuhaitz> :?
[17:19] <ryuo> no idea.
[17:20] <ryuo> that means efibootmgr couldn't add it to the EFI stuff.
[17:20] <zuhaitz> again, not working
[17:21] <zuhaitz> I dont understand, this worked 2 years ago xD
[17:21] <zuhaitz> I am missing something
[17:22] <Brakiss> Hello all, anyone able to help me with a nfs share issue?
[17:23] <pragmaticenigma> Brakiss: please detail your issue when you ask a question. It'll help to get a better response
[17:23] <Brakiss> Fair enough @pragmaticenigma
[17:24] <Brakiss> NFS issue is I reloaded ubuntu, same raid array, had backups, now when I have my windows machines try to access it, it says permission denied.
[17:24] <Brakiss> Finds them ok, but cant seem to find where my issue it
[17:26] <pragmaticenigma> Brakiss: anything to be seen in the NFS log files?
[17:30] <Brakiss> @pragmaticenigma newer user, trying to find NFS log file now
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> Brakiss: it should be in /var/log
[17:35] <Brakiss> thats what I came too and I cannot find a nfs log, so it looks like it is not enabled
[17:37] <pragmaticenigma> Brakiss: I would get that enabled... it might have been dumping the errors to syslog but will be easier to find if logging is enabled in NFS directly
[17:38] <ducasse> Brakiss: sudo journalctl -u nfs-server.service
[17:38] <dutch_> Anyone here familiar with OpenVPN?
[17:38] <dutch_> k
[17:39] <TJ-> Brakiss: "reloaded Ubuntu" <--- what does this mean?
[17:39] <TJ-> Brakiss: I'm guessing - if you mean re-installed - that the UID/GIDs have changed
[17:40] <andersmmg> why does Steam sometimes lose my login?
[17:40] <andersmmg> Once it even forgot where all my games were stored
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> steam client isn't supported here ... sorry andersmmg
[17:45] <Brakiss> Jan 27 08:51:15 Kodi-Server systemd[1]: Starting NFS server and services... Jan 27 08:51:15 Kodi-Server exportfs[1093]: exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "192.168.1.0/24:media/shane/media/Movie Jan 27 08:51:15 Kodi-Server exportfs[1093]:   Assuming default behaviour ('no_subtree_check'). Jan 27 08:51:15 Kodi-Server exportfs[1093]:   NOTE: this default has changed since nfs-utils
[17:46] <Brakiss> reloaded as I made a mistake with something and I am learning so easier to reload and find my mistake sometimes.
[17:46] <Brakiss> UUID for raid arrays were the same
[17:49] <Brakiss> I have to leave for work, but I will leave open, here is a pastebin of exports, fstab, and journal. Thank you for any help you can provide!
[17:49] <Brakiss> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NcgSvNr3j9/
[17:50] <TJ-> Brakiss: a core part of NFS is the UID/GID of directories/files. They have to match between client and server  If you've re-installed it is possible the UID of the services and/or/users may have changed
[17:51] <andersmmg> is Budgie an official derivtive?
[17:51] <tgm4883> andersmmg: flavor* and yes
[17:52] <tgm4883> andersmmg: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[17:52] <andersmmg> okay sweet thanks
[17:52] <andersmmg> i swear it wasnt listed there before
[17:55] <ksbalaji> Hi friends, I have ubuntu 18.04 on Acer Aspire. My sudo is now working now. So no updates...
[17:55] <SlidingHorn> ksbalaji: can you please explain exactly what you mean by "not working"?  What exact command are you using, and what is the error you get?
[17:57] <RaptorJesus> monitor won't wake from sleep unless i unplug HDMI and plug back in
[17:58] <Industrial> Hi. Can I install libcurl3 next to libcurl4?
[17:58] <Industrial> A package .deb I want to install needs 3
[17:59] <andersmmg> You could install it to a folder instead of using a .deb and link it
[17:59] <ksbalaji> SlidingHorn: Thanks. I get a MIT MAGIC ERROR while using sudo.
[18:01] <ioria> ksbalaji,   if you  run '  sudo apt update  '    in terminal ?
[18:03] <ksbalaji> SlidingHorn: Yes something working and I get last line as 433 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
[18:04] <lordcirth__> ksbalaji, so, the error was never from sudo, but from the command you were trying to run. What was the command?
[18:04] <ioria> ksbalaji, what ubuntu version      ?  cat /etc/issue
[18:05] <ksbalaji> The command I tried was sudo synaptic
[18:05] <ioria> ksbalaji, what ubuntu version      ?  cat /etc/issue
[18:11] <ksbalaji> 3
[18:13] <SlidingHorn> ksbalaji: what is the output of    cat /etc/issue | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:14] <ksbalaji> SlidingHorn: sorry I dont have nc working
[18:14] <qwebirc97961> i have a primary gpu and second gpu. ubuntu boots with primary gpu but if i put primary gpu for passthrough, ubuntu does not boot using the second gpu
[18:14] <ioria> ksbalaji, it's just one line, paste here
[18:18] <qwebirc97961> solution?
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> !patience | qwebirc97961
[18:21] <ioria> qwebirc97961, you mean you heve  intel/nvidia  and cannot boot with nvidia ?
[18:23] <RaptorJesus> is Ukuu a rootkit installer?
[18:23] <ksbalaji> nc: getaddrinfo for host "termbin.com" port 9999: Name or service not known
[18:24] <ioria> ksbalaji, it's just one line, paste here the output
[18:24] <qwebirc97961> io: my motherboard outputs to primary gpu on PCIE slot 1 and ubuntu boots with that. but if i put the primary gpu for passthrough, ubuntu does not boot with second gpu, both nvidia gpus
[18:25] <ksbalaji> ioria: ok here: Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS \n \l
[18:25] <ioria> ksbalaji, uname -r ?
[18:26] <ksbalaji> 4.15.0-38-generic
[18:26] <ioria> ksbalaji, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[18:27] <ksbalaji> wayland
[18:28] <ioria> ksbalaji, i think you are in the wrong session; reboot and click the clog under your username and choose 'Ubuntu' or 'buntu on Xorg'   not Wayland
[18:30] <slloyd> anyone else think linux is crazy not doing everything it can to support zfs
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> !zfs | slloyd
[18:31] <slloyd> im running on root. I think its awesome
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> slloyd: this channel is only for ubuntu support questions
[18:31] <slloyd> ok my bad :)
[18:33] <skinnymg1> trying to install rails and am getting an authentication failure running su - postgres...   anyone know about this?
[18:34] <xamithan> yes,  your password is wrong
[18:34] <skinnymg1> xamithan, obviously
[18:37] <stoiss> hm do anyone know how to make a headless computer have a higher resolution for a dummy monitor ?
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> stoiss: join #ubuntu-server
[18:39] <stoiss> thanks
[18:45] <qwebirc97961> sorry got disconnected
[18:46] <SlidingHorn> qwebirc97961: There might be a Video/Graphics option in the Advanced settings of your BIOS to select which slot is designated as the primary
[18:47] <qwebirc97961> SlidingHorn: there is non, whatever is on slot 1 is primary
[18:48] <RaptorJesus> going between 4.20.3 and 4.20.4 gives me a black screen after grub
[18:50] <ksbalaji> ioria: I have out that while rebooting, there is an error - kernel modules not starting. Also with ubuntu login, my touch pad doesn't work.
[18:51] <ksbalaji> +found that
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> RaptorJesus: Support for kernels in this channel are only ones provided through official Ubuntu release channels. Installing other kernels is at your own risk and not something supported here
[18:52] <ioria> ksbalaji, again run     echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[18:52] <cornfeedhobo> does bionic use nscd out of the box?
[18:53] <qwebirc97961> is xorg automatically loaded in ubuntu?
[18:54] <OerHeks> qwebirc97961, if you created one, yes
[18:54] <OerHeks> current drivers need no xorg.conf anymore, perfect autodetection
[18:55] <ali1234> how do i switch the desktop environment on the 18.04 login screen?
[18:55] <OerHeks> ali1234, select your username, then the option appears to switch
[18:55] <ali1234> as soon as i select my user name it logs me in to gnome
[18:56] <qwebirc97961> OerHeks: so a fresh install of ubuntu automatically runs xorg?
[18:57] <qwebirc97961> the x server or what ever you call it
[18:57] <OerHeks> qwebircnumber, there is no standard xorg.conf
[18:57] <OerHeks> only if you created one
[18:58] <coconut1> ali1234: then you still need to install an alternative
[18:59] <qwebirc97961> OerHeks: so i need to create one before i can write a conf file to xorg.conf.d?
[18:59] <ali1234> no, i have unity installed, because i did an upgrade
[19:00] <ioria> ali1234, have you rebooted ?
[19:00] <ali1234> yes
[19:01] <ioria> ali1234, and you cannot login in Unity ?
[19:01] <ali1234> ioria: correct. after rebooting the user's default desktop was changed to ubuntu gnome and because the user does not have a password there is no way to access the desktop selection ui
[19:02] <xtermin> :)
[19:02] <ioria> ali1234, using autologin ?
[19:02] <dubiuk> was gonna say.. not using the unity DM?
[19:02] <ali1234> autologin was configured before upgrading but after upgrading it no longer functions
[19:02] <OerHeks> qwebircnumber, according to http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man5/xorg.conf.5.html you need to put your xorg conf in  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ folder and the system creates the xorg.,conf
[19:03] <ioria> ali1234, paste    ls -l /usr/share/xsessions/
[19:03] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dxdc3fByWf/
[19:03] <qwebirc97961> OerHeks: is the x server running on a fresh install of ubuntu?
[19:04] <ioria> ali1234, what you mean with 'the user has no password ' ?
[19:05] <ali1234> ioria: i mean i went into the accounts preferences and removed the user's password
[19:05] <OerHeks> huh?
[19:05] <ali1234> ioria: this means the user is not prompted for a password on the login screen
[19:05] <ioria> ali1234, why ?
[19:05] <ali1234> because the user is incapable of remembering a password
[19:05] <qwebirc97961> OerHeks: there is command that creates xorg.conf
[19:06] <ioria> ali1234, you can hack it... but not sure it's a good idea
[19:06] <dubiuk> ioria, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM#Show_Manual_Login_Box
[19:07] <ali1234> the manual login box also does not display the desktop selection
[19:07] <qwebirc97961> OerHeks: must i run that command then i can put a snippet of code in a conf file in xorg.conf.d in order to work?
[19:07] <dubiuk> ahhh
[19:07] <ioria> dubiuk, he's using gdm3 i guess
[19:07] <dubiuk> well
[19:07] <dubiuk> ok then
[19:07] <ali1234> yes, upgrading switched the display manager from light-dm to gdm as well as changing the default desktop for all users
[19:07] <ioria> ali1234, cd  /usr/share/xsessions/
[19:08] <LOOMIS> exit
[19:08] <dubiuk> upgrading?
[19:08] <ali1234> yes, upgrading
[19:08] <dubiuk> what
[19:08] <dubiuk> upgrading what
[19:08] <ali1234> upgrading ubuntu
[19:08] <dubiuk> from -> ?
[19:08] <ali1234> from 16.04 to 18.04
[19:08] <qwebirc97961> OerHeks: ubuntu boots with primary gpu, but when i assing vfio-pci to primary, ubuntu does not boot with second nvidia gpu
[19:09] <dubiuk> ioria, all you want is the DM desktpo selection viewable?
[19:09] <ali1234> yes
[19:10] <ali1234> for users that don't have a password
[19:10] <ali1234> also would be nice if i could fix autologin
[19:10] <qwebirc97961> OerHeks: i heard u can use a conf file to select the second gpu for booting
[19:10] <ali1234> i have a feeling i might have to revert to lightdm to get either of these things
[19:10] <freakman_> hi all.. I have a user apps under www-data group, now with that user I want to read and write from folder /var/ftp/folder.. must the whole path have group write/read permission?
[19:11] <ioria> ali1234, to set a default DE (with autologin) you can  backup all  the entries in /usr/share/xsessions/  with  the exception of 'unity.desktop'
[19:11] <ioria> ali1234, and the system will default to unity
[19:12] <OerHeks> qwebirc who was helping you in the first place?
[19:12] <ali1234> i don't want to disable the other desktops
[19:12] <dubiuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1700310
[19:12] <dubiuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1693360
[19:12] <dubiuk> Its purely GDM
[19:12] <ali1234> ah thanks i was about to report it
[19:12] <dubiuk> Theres a fix though
[19:12] <qwebirc97961> i got 1 reponse from ioria and that is it
[19:12] <dubiuk> You are not alone
[19:13] <ali1234> wow that bug is 18 months old
[19:13] <dubiuk> Yea, its replicated on arch and other distros with this exact issue
[19:13] <dubiuk> Gimme a sec, theres a way for force session selection in GDM
[19:15] <ali1234> i dont mind if the user can never see the selection after i've changed it
[19:15] <dubiuk> thats contrary to what you said earlier
[19:16] <dubiuk> if you want to force a session type... then you dont have to shit-patch GDM to get this to work
[19:16] <ioria> ali1234, at this point i'd go with ~/.xinitrc file executing unity for that user
[19:16] <ali1234> why can't i just change a setting somewhere?
[19:17] <ali1234> what if i just uninstall gdm3 and install lightdm instead?
[19:17] <dubiuk> meh dont
[19:18] <dubiuk> ali1234, :: -> /usr/share/xsessions and find the .desktop session you want foro this user
[19:18] <ali1234> okay
[19:18] <dubiuk> ali1234, :: -> /var/lib/AccountsService/users/username
[19:18] <wyre> Hi everyone, why is sometimes cron doing auth as root? https://bpaste.net/show/9eb2ffa6452c
[19:18] <dubiuk> add:
[19:19] <dubiuk> [User]
[19:19] <dubiuk> Language=
[19:19] <dubiuk> XSession=gnome-classic
[19:19] <dubiuk> Or whatever session you want
[19:19] <ali1234> already found it thanks
[19:19] <dubiuk> lemme know if it works
[19:19] <ali1234> hang on need to go to the computer to test it
[19:20] <wyre> 20:15 task was scheduled, but 20:17 was not
[19:22] <ali1234> dubiuk: it worked after rebooting thanks
[19:22] <ali1234> just need to fix autologin now, then i can work on fixing up the desktop session
[19:30] <qwebirc97961> i want to set second gpu as ubuntu boot device, must i run the command that creates a xorg.conf for the creation of a snippet conf file in xorg.conf.d to work?
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> wyre: Cron was probably running system tasks that are defined in /etc/cron.* directories
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> wyre: it's to be expected
[19:33] <wyre> ty pragmaticenigma :-)
[19:34] <wyre> so cron is a base package
[19:34] <wyre> right?
[19:34] <wyre> it must be much more importan than I thought
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> what do you mean by base package?
[19:34] <wyre> pragmaticenigma, a main package, like the kernel (not so important, but in that sense)
[19:34] <ali1234> hmm user switching also does not work
[19:35] <ali1234> i think i am just going to nuke gdm3, it clearly doesn't work properly
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> wyre: Core would be a more appropriate term, and yes, cron is installed by default as part of the core installation of Ubuntu
[19:36] <kantlivelong> is there somewhere that i can download older pkg versions?
[19:37] <wyre> pragmaticenigma, yeah, whatever, base/core ... you know what I mean :-D
[19:37] <wyre> ty ;-)
[19:38] <kantlivelong> ah nvm
[19:38] <maskeddriver> I upgraded the kernel today to 4.15.0-44-generic (from 4.15.0-42) and I'm finding that my Dell Latitude 5289 laptop won't wake up from sleep. I have to long-press the power button and turn it back on. The display just stays black.
[19:38] <maskeddriver> has anybody else experienced this?
[19:39] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver: How did you update your kernel?
[19:39] <maskeddriver> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[19:40] <dubiuk> ali1234, great!
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> only affects waking from "sleep" otherwise the machine will boot just fine?
[19:41] <maskeddriver> yeah
[19:41] <maskeddriver> and no crashing or anything while I'm using it
[19:41] <maskeddriver> I walk away from the machine for a few minutes, when I come back, I have to hard reset it
[19:43] <Jayd3> hello all
[19:43] <ali1234> dubiuk: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" and now everything works
[19:44] <Jayd3> maybe someone can help me ? on a previously fine hard drive I cant format a partition with ext4
[19:44] <dubiuk> ali1234, nice. so it took doing both?
[19:45] <Jayd3> Ive tried both from unbuntu 18 install and by running gparted from the live disc.
[19:45] <ali1234> both?
[19:45] <maskeddriver> pragmaticenigma, I'm currently checkout out launchpad for anything related, but I'm not seeing much
[19:45] <dubiuk> ali1234, forcing session select with the accountservice setting and the reconf. of lightdm
[19:45] <ali1234> i just set lightdm as the DM and now i can select the DE on the login screen, and user switching works
[19:46] <ali1234> and autologin as well
[19:46] <dubiuk> Jayd3, are any of the partitions mounted?
[19:46] <dubiuk> Nice
[19:46] <ali1234> hacking accounts service worked but was unnecessary
[19:46] <dubiuk> Yea switching is a good fix
[19:46] <dubiuk> Well
[19:46] <dubiuk> it depends on how you want to skin the cat my friend
[19:46] <dubiuk> You solved a GDM3 issue by not using GDM3
[19:47] <ali1234> multiple issues :)
[19:47] <Jayd3> i dont think so as I just deleted the space needed
[19:47] <dubiuk> if youa re using gparted did you RUN the changes?
[19:47] <Jayd3> yes and it worked on it for a while then gave error
[19:48] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver: the kernel was just released... I would disable the sleep power save feature for now and file a bug report
[19:48] <maskeddriver> ok
[19:48] <maskeddriver> pragmaticenigma, hmmm I don't have automatic suspend on when it's plugged in (which it is)
[19:48] <dubiuk> Jayd3, delete all partitions and run first. then try to create a new partition of ext4
[19:49] <dubiuk> Jayd3, pastebin any errors for me
[19:49] <Jayd3> I was thinking that but it's 500gig drive with other stuff on it
[19:51] <Jayd3> ok Im starting up that machine
[19:51] <dubiuk> Jayd3, just delete the  partition and run first then
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver: like a lot of things... try toggling it back and forth with a save inbetween... sometimes that helps get settings refreshed to the desired configuration.
[19:51] <vimar> Hi
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver: otherwise I'm uncertain what else to do
[19:51] <dubiuk> Jayd3, also, is your machine running LVM at all?
[19:51] <maskeddriver> pragmaticenigma, I could just run around screaming, "BLOOD, BLOOD, THERE'S SO MUCH BLOOD!" or something. *shrugs* just a thought
[19:52] <dubiuk> maskeddriver, no balls.
[19:52] <Jayd3> this machine has windows 7 on a diffrent drive
[19:53] <dubiuk> Is this machine dual boot?
[19:53] <Jayd3> yes using BCD
[19:54] <Jayd3> gpartedis scanning
[19:54] <dubiuk> If the windows partitions are on another drive completely... that becomes completely moot
[19:54] <dubiuk> Is the partition you are editing/deleting owned by the linux OS or MS OS?
[19:55] <Jayd3> exactly why i set it up with wondows on a 160 g drive of its' own
[19:55] <Jayd3> this drive is for linux and storage
[19:56] <dubiuk> ok
[19:56] <dubiuk> mark it for deletion and run the job
[19:56] <dubiuk> pastebin the error
[19:56] <Jayd3> i now have 170GiB unallocated
[19:56] <Jayd3> no problem with that operation
[19:58] <dubiuk> ok
[19:58] <dubiuk> great
[19:58] <dubiuk> mark it for new ext4 partition and run the job
[19:58] <Jayd3> how big should i make new partition ?
[19:58] <dubiuk> however large you want
[19:58] <CyberGab1er> After installing some recent Windows-updates on my DualBoot-machine ( WIN10Pro + Ubuntu 18.10 x86_64 ), my Ubuntu won't start anymore. ( Thanks MS! ).
[19:58] <dubiuk> you can take up all the free space available if need be
[19:58] <CyberGab1er> Now my Ubuntu is only starting further/normal, after I enter the following commands;
[19:58] <CyberGab1er>   
[19:58] <CyberGab1er>   set boot=(hd0,gpt5)
[19:59] <CyberGab1er>   set prefix=(hd0,gpt5)/boot/grub
[19:59] <CyberGab1er>   insmod normal
[19:59] <CyberGab1er>   normal
[19:59] <CyberGab1er> Ubuntu is than starting, and fully working, but i need to type those commands EACH TIME when I (re)boot, before Ubuntu will start.
[19:59] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, please use pastebin!
[19:59] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, else that will happen
[19:59] <Jayd3> ill do 160kMiB
[19:59] <dubiuk> 160kMiB...
[20:00] <dubiuk> 160000MB?
[20:00] <raub> CyberGab1er: Maybe edit your grub config?
[20:00] <CyberGab1er> See my complete question: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PJ4F64PT47/
[20:01] <CyberGab1er> raub: How?
[20:01] <dubiuk> nano /etc/default/grub
[20:01] <dubiuk> then run grub-update
[20:01] <maskeddriver> pragmaticenigma, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1799964 other people have been having this problem in 18.10 since October
[20:01] <raub> dubiuk: could be grub2
[20:02] <maskeddriver> lol ubottu 10 seconds ahead of you
[20:02] <ice9> is it possible to monitor apt, so if someone installed a package, I know?
[20:02] <maskeddriver> 1 second*
[20:02] <dubiuk> raub, nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:02] <maskeddriver> nvm I'm an idiot
[20:02] <lordcirth__> maskeddriver, yes, it's a bot :)
[20:02] <maskeddriver> yeah, I realized that as soon as I hit enter
[20:03] <Jayd3> i get input/output error during write on /dev/sdb
[20:04] <raub> dubiuk: thank. I spent some fun time with grub2 yesterday moving all the data to a new pv because old pv has separate luks for each lv. Don't ask me why
[20:05] <coconut> ice9: cat /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:06] <CyberGab1er> raub: WHAT do I need to change or add to my  /etc/default/grub  ?
[20:06] <lordcirth__> Jayd3, apt install smartmontools; smartctl -a /dev/sdb | nc termbin.com:9999
[20:08] <raub> CyberGab1er: I do not know how your grub file looks like but the bottom line is you have to tell it pretty much what you have been having to enter manually. As others mentioned, using, say pastebin.ubuntu.com, would help us see what you have
[20:08] <ioria> CyberGab1er, i think you need to reinstall grub ;  sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub ; reboot
[20:09] <raub> ioria: I would check the grab file before rebooting =)
[20:10] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  raub   ok ;    cat /etc/default/grub/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:10] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, grub-install --version
[20:10] <dubiuk> which version of grub are you running
[20:11] <CyberGab1er> raub: ioria > https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ffjV69f9Z7/
[20:11] <raub> lordcirth__: I learned something new today: termbin!
[20:12] <lordcirth__> Jayd3, ah, nc termbin.com 9999, rather
[20:12] <ioria> CyberGab1er, looks norma  ;  sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub ;  then  reboot
[20:12] <lordcirth__> raub, yeah, very handy site
[20:12] <raub> CyberGab1er: mind also posting your /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[20:13] <CyberGab1er> version = grub-install (GRUB) 2.02+dfsg1-5ubuntu8
[20:13] <CyberGab1er> ok, i will do the suggested:   sudo grub-install && sudo
[20:13] <CyberGab1er>           update-grub ;  then  reboot
[20:14] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:17] <CyberGab1er> ioria: what is showed was my /etc/default/grub     Here is /boot/grub/grub.cfg :  https://termbin.com/ib40
[20:18] <maskeddriver> pragmaticenigma, it appears to only happen if I'm connected to my Dell dock stand
[20:19] <ioria> CyberGab1er, did you run    'sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub ' ?
[20:20] <maskeddriver> and it happens immediately upon pressing Super + L. It locks the screen, turns the screen(s) off and then I have to hard reboot. And it's isolated to 4.15.0-44. I booted up to 4.15.0-43 and it's not happening
[20:21] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, you can fix this by changing your GUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" parameters
[20:21] <dubiuk> If you do not want to enter those settings in everytime
[20:21] <CyberGab1er> ioria: NO, didn't do 'sudo grub-install && sudo
[20:22] <CyberGab1er>           update-grub '
[20:22] <dubiuk> Change it too look like: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dM62RgCZdy/
[20:22] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  do it 'cause there is no windows entry
[20:22] <dubiuk> wait are you using grub to boot windows as well?
[20:22] <Jayd3> well im getting lost Im afraid  the return from thh command was to use a shortened command "sudo apt install smartmontools" after that installed I get a postfix configuraton  window
[20:23] <dubiuk> Jayd3, when you attempt to create the new partition what is the specific error?
[20:23] <dubiuk> Jayd3, and do you have parted installed?
[20:23] <dubiuk> Jayd3, we can do this via cmdline
[20:23] <lordcirth__> Jayd3, just choose local only
[20:23] <Jayd3> choices are : no configuration, internet site, internet with smarthost, local only
[20:23] <dubiuk> Jayd3, without going down the train of alternative methods
[20:24] <Jayd3> im running parted from live cd
[20:24] <dubiuk> you ar runing gparted
[20:24] <dubiuk> parted is the cmd utility gparted is built on
[20:25] <Jayd3> i hav eit closed now
[20:25] <dubiuk> bring up a terminal and type parted
[20:25] <Jayd3> it  ws the gparted on the live boot cd
[20:25] <Jayd3> and i'm using a third party boot loader to dual boot, grub was not so dependable
[20:26] <dubiuk> the grub questions was not for you
[20:26] <dubiuk> Jayd3, boot up the live cd, open a terminal, and type: parted
[20:26] <Jayd3> ok have pparted up
[20:27] <CyberGab1er> ioria: sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub
[20:27] <CyberGab1er> Installing for i386-pc platform.
[20:27] <CyberGab1er> grub-install: error: install device isn't specified.
[20:27] <jsubl2> i have the nvidia with switchable graphics.  can i just install nvidia and not worry about switching
[20:27] <Jayd3> "type help for list of commands
[20:27] <raub> I think you need to give the name of your hard drive to grub-install
[20:27] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  sudo parted -ls | nc terbin.com 9999
[20:28] <dubiuk> Jayd3, type: list
[20:28] <dubiuk> Jayd3, and find which disk you want to review
[20:28] <ioria> CyberGab1er, is your system efi capable ?
[20:30] <dubiuk> err Jayd3, type: print
[20:31] <dubiuk> not list. lol
[20:31] <Jayd3> that just brought the help (commands and explinations)
[20:32] <dubiuk> err Jayd3, type: print
[20:32] <fff> jfa;sljf
[20:32] <Jayd3> got it shows only the 160 g disk windows is on no second disk
[20:33] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Parted-output=>  https://termbin.com/hyzg
[20:33] <apwiggins> Hi....I am looking through repositories for a set of ubuntu packages (https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/releases/tag/frr-6.0).  Who should be poked to pick these up?
[20:34] <dubiuk> Jayd3, you only have a /dev/sda listing?
[20:34] <apwiggins> I'd like to apt get them through normal commands rather than custom install
[20:34] <ioria> CyberGab1er, uname -a
[20:34] <Jayd3> yes
[20:35] <Jayd3> sdb is not being seen
[20:35] <lordcirth__> apwiggins, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[20:35] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Linux V17-Nitro 4.18.0-13-generic #14-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 5 09:04:24 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:36] <Jayd3> I'm just thinking wonder if i have bad connection on sata cable ?
[20:36] <dubiuk> Jayd3, type: ls -ltr /dev/sd* | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:36] <dubiuk> Jayd3, it might be the case
[20:36] <dubiuk> Or something close to that
[20:36] <Jayd3> let me do some harware work
[20:37] <ioria> CyberGab1er, i don't get the   bios_grub  line; let's   try    sudo grub-install /dev/sda   && sudo update-grub
[20:37] <Jayd3> Thank you for you help dubiuk
[20:37] <dubiuk> Jayd3, np
[20:38] <lordcirth__> Jayd3, IO errors are usually hardware. That's why I asked for smartctl output.
[20:38] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Done;  Installation finished. No error reported.
[20:38] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Time to restart?
[20:38] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  sudo  update-grub  | nc terbin.com 9999
[20:39] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  sudo  update-grub  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:39] <dubiuk> lordcirth__, <3
[20:43] <CyberGab1er> ioria: Sorry, termbin went wrong, so see: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hSjXBn75q2/
[20:43] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  went wrong ?
[20:44] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, i think ioria wanted you to update and then restart to see if it caught the windows partition changes
[20:44] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  is your ubuntu partition on sda or sdb ?
[20:45] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  there is no windows entry
[20:46] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  and , afaik, this partition is wrong on a efi gtp system : 106MB   110MB   4194kB   primary    bios_grub
[20:48] <faLUCE> Hello. I have a strange behaviour on a sd card, which I access through an USB adapter. If I format it as fat32 or ntfs, I can write into it. If I format it as ext3, then it gets mounted in read-only mode (and I have to remount it in rw mode). If I flash an image, on it, I can access it only in read-only mode (and I can't remount it in rw mode).... How can I fix that? I want to write on it after flashing the image
[20:49] <CyberGab1er> ioria0: sda5 ext4 /
[20:49] <dubiuk> faLUCE, what kind of SDcard? micro SDHC?
[20:50] <faLUCE> dubiuk: yes
[20:50] <CyberGab1er> ioria: dev/sdb2 ext4   /home
[20:50] <ioria> CyberGab1er,  what about this :     bios_grub  ?
[20:51] <dubiuk> faLUCE, is the switch unlocked?
[20:51] <net4all> &window close
[20:51] <faLUCE> dubiuk: which switch? the card doesn't have switches, it's very small
[20:51] <CyberGab1er> ioria: ? bios_grub ?
[20:51] <raub> microsd I take?
[20:51] <ioria> CyberGab1er, yes
[20:52] <dubiuk> faLUCE, then is is a micro SD.
[20:52] <ioria> CyberGab1er, should not be there
[20:52] <faLUCE> dubiuk: the only switch is on the adapter to the sd
[20:53] <faLUCE> dubiuk: does it mean that I have to use it with that adapter?
[20:53] <dubiuk> faLUCE, no, sometimes linux likes to be terrible with sd cards, they are fragile little things. ive ruined a few in my day
[20:53] <faLUCE> dubiuk: what I can do?
[20:54] <dubiuk> faLUCE, are you imaging it for a pi or something?
[20:54] <faLUCE> dubiuk: yes
[20:54] <CyberGab1er> ioria: In Gparted is see the following row: do you mean that?  /dev/sda2  primary | filesystem: grub.core.img  | 4 Mb | flag:  bios_grub
[20:55] <ioria> CyberGab1er, yes ; why is there ?
[20:55] <CyberGab1er> ioria: I have no idea ;-)
[20:56] <ioria> CyberGab1er, that is used for booting gpt in bios csm mode
[20:56] <gartral> is it... not possible to symlink accross fs boundaries anymore?
[20:56] <faLUCE> I don't understand why I can't write on it after flashing the image. I can see all the filesystem of the flashed image, but can't write on it
[20:56] <ioria> CyberGab1er, sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/sda   && sudo update-grub
[20:56] <gartral> faLUCE: did it write a fat32 partition?
[20:57] <dubiuk> gartral, ext3
[20:57] <faLUCE> gartral: yes
[20:57] <dubiuk> nvm
[20:57] <dubiuk> Wait
[20:57] <dubiuk> <faLUCE> Hello. I have a strange behaviour on a sd card, which I access through an USB adapter. If I format it as fat32 or ntfs, I can write into it. If I format it as ext3, then it gets mounted in read-only mode (and I have to remount it in rw mode). If I flash an image, on it, I can access it only in read-only mode (and I can't remount it in rw mode).... How can I fix that? I want to write on it after flashing the image
[20:57] <gartral> faLUCE: can you open a folder in the partition and write into the folder?
[20:57] <dubiuk> faLUCE, what are you doing?
[20:57] <faLUCE> dubiuk: it wrote a fat32 partition after I flashed the image
[20:58] <OerHeks> "If I flash an image, on it, I can access it only in read-only mode" usuntu iso's are read only, ofcourse
[20:58] <faLUCE> but if I format it as fat32, I can write on it
[20:58] <faLUCE> gartral: I can't
[20:58] <faLUCE> gartral: I can only see the files
[20:58] <dubiuk> faLUCE, what you imaging it with?
[20:58] <faLUCE> dubiuk: dd
[20:58] <OerHeks> what makes you think you can add files to an ubuntu iso onb usb?
[20:58] <gartral> faLUCE: also, sanity check, is this a fullsize SD?
[20:58] <dubiuk> faLUCE, no, what are you putting on the sd card
[20:59] <faLUCE> dubiuk: a conf file
[20:59] <faLUCE> so that the OS reads it when it boots
[20:59] <dubiuk> faLUCE, ugh, you are imaging an entire SD card with a single conf file?
[20:59] <dubiuk> thats what you are attempting to do
[20:59] <dubiuk> ?
[20:59] <CyberGab1er> ioria: that command fails:  grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
[20:59] <faLUCE> dubiuk: no, I'm trying to add a conf file after flashing it
[21:00] <gartral> faLUCE: WHAT ARE TOY FLASHING TO THE SD CARD
[21:00] <dubiuk> faLUCE, what are yuo flashing ONTO it???
[21:00] <dubiuk> you*
[21:00] <OerHeks> an image, he said ...
[21:00] <faLUCE> dubiuk: home assistant image
[21:00] <ioria> CyberGab1er, [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[21:01] <gartral> faLUCE: ok, NOW we're getting somewhere.. HA is linux based, the root dir probably owned by root
[21:01] <dubiuk> faLUCE, hass.io installation image?
[21:01] <faLUCE> gartral: so, how can I write in the root dir on the sd card?
[21:01] <faLUCE> dubiuk: yes
[21:01] <gartral> faLUCE: be root
[21:01] <faLUCE> gartral: if I sudo, I can't write too
[21:02] <CyberGab1er> ioria: result: BIOS
[21:02] <dubiuk> thats because yoru computer root user is not the same root user as the image
[21:02] <dubiuk> you will most likely need to chroot mount the sdcard and edit it from there
[21:02] <ioria> CyberGab1er, you should change the bios settings
[21:02] <faLUCE> dubiuk: how can I chroot mount it ?
[21:03] <ioria> CyberGab1er, you are booting in legacy mode
[21:03] <CyberGab1er> ioria: I already searched in my BIOS for something to add boot-menu options etc, but there aren't.
[21:03] <ioria> CyberGab1er, sy have to go someone will helpyou .
[21:04] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, you cannot boot a UEFI partition if you are booting BIOS legacy
[21:04] <CyberGab1er> I'm booting inlegacy to get inot Ubuntu. To boot into my WIn10 environment( = dual-machine ), I always need to set BIOS to EUFI
[21:05] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, so whats the issue
[21:05] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, all  you wanted is to not enter commands everytime you boot into UBUNTU right?
[21:05] <CyberGab1er> dubiuk: Yep. Everything else is still the same for months.
[21:06] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, adjust your /etc/default/grub file so that your GUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" line looks like: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dM62RgCZdy/
[21:06] <Jayd3> I not have an ext4 partition /dev/sbd ext4 /home but when i try to install on it I get No Root file system is defined
[21:07] <Jayd3> not =now
[21:07] <manosav> hello! I can't shutdown my computer normally. Can you help me??( it isn't laptop)
[21:07] <CyberGab1er> Iolo: Thanks for your patience, time and Help!
[21:07] <dubiuk> Jayd3, first what was your fix to write the ext4 partition?
[21:08] <Jayd3> i actually poped in a clean drive
[21:08] <dubiuk> manosav, what is happening. how are you attempting to shutdown the machine?
[21:08] <gartral> I'm trying to symlink a path from an external drive to my home... ln -s ~/foo/bar/ /mnt/foo/bar/ is leaving a file called bar in ~/foo
[21:08] <dubiuk> Jayd3, so you have a partition table, GPT or MBR?
[21:09] <Jayd3> ah i did not check
[21:09] <dubiuk> gartral, your ln -s is backwards
[21:09] <CyberGab1er> Ow, ioria it already logged out. I wanted to thank him for his patience, time and help.
[21:09] <dubiuk> gartral, ln -s /source /dest
[21:09] <faLUCE> dubiuk: you told me to chroot mount, but I don't understand if it is an option of the "mount" command
[21:10] <dubiuk> faLUCE, where is the sdcarded mounted in your filesystem? maybe /mnt/media/sdcard?
[21:10] <faLUCE> dubiuk: /media/myname
[21:11] <gartral> dubiuk: I typed it out backwards here. it's right in my console,
[21:11] <dubiuk> faLUCE, chroot /media/myname /bin/bash
[21:11] <alphazed1972> here is an interesting thing... I follow the instructions on https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/The-Best-Way-To-Install-Ubuntu-18-04-with-NVIDIA-Drivers-and-any-Desktop-Flavor-1178/ and at the tasksel step I choose ubuntumate desktop and then install nvidia 415 - everything works fine
[21:12] <faLUCE> dubiuk: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
[21:12] <alphazed1972> if instead of ubuntumate desktop I choose ubuntu desktop - the install halts at boot on stopping the nvidia persistence daemon
[21:13] <faLUCE> dubiuk: I don't have /bin/bash
[21:13] <CyberGab1er> dubiuk: Done. Now i reboot, if everything goed well, i be backu in a few minutes. Otherwise -also- thanks for helping!
[21:13] <dubiuk> CyberGab1er, np brev
[21:14] <oft_gegong> I just had this great idea! how about a bash script that creates a repository of all the ubuntu packages for xenial so that you can have a computer offline repository to install from whenever
[21:15] <faLUCE> dubiuk: I'll come back later
[21:15] <dubiuk> oft_gegong, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline/Repository
[21:15] <manosav> Hello!!! Ubuntu 18.04 stuck at shutdown. Can you help me?
[21:16] <dubiuk> manosav, how are you shutting down your machine?
[21:16] <raub> manosav: define stuck
[21:16] <blackflow> alphazed1972: that guide has one major flaw: it doesn't reboot after upgrades. it brings in the new kernel, but nvidia dkms is built against the current, so on boot, it hangs due to dkms being built against the wrong kernel version.
[21:17] <manosav> from the right corner and i have tried "sudo shutdown -h now" command.
 what to do?
[21:19] <dubiuk> manosav, and what is happening when it hangs?
[21:19] <blackflow> alphazed1972: I'd just (and I do) install everything except nvidia, and then do that last after reboot.
[21:21] <manosav> dubiuk: it hangs at ubuntu logo and some time i receive a message like [   48.861218] reboot: Power down
[21:22] <dubiuk> manosav, what version of ubuntu?
[21:22] <dubiuk> manosav, desktop?
[21:22] <Jayd3> I'm going to make it easy and pull out all but the new drive and DVD drive see what happens
[21:23] <manosav> dubiuk: its desktop version 18.04.1 lts
[21:23] <evulish> i'm having a weird issue with nginx, i'm using the default config right now and nginx just returns some binary data when i do a basic curl http://localhost
[21:24] <dubiuk> evulish, #nginx
[21:24] <dubiuk> manosav, uname -a
[21:26] <manosav> dubiuk: what?
[21:26] <dubiuk> manosav, type: uname -a
[21:26] <dubiuk> in a console
[21:26] <dubiuk> and paste the output
[21:27] <manosav> dubiuk: Linux manosav-desktop 4.15.0-44-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 14 11:26:59 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:27] <dubiuk> manosav, Go to your System Settings->Software and Updates->Developer Options tab click the box next to Pre-release (xenial-proposed). enter your root pwd, Refresh the cache. Updates tab use "display updates immediately drop down" close System Settings. Start software updater and install now.
[21:27] <dubiuk> manosav, https://askubuntu.com/questions/764568/ubuntu-16-04-hangs-on-shutdown-restart
[21:28] <OerHeks> err maybe a bad idea, proposed updates
[21:28] <dubiuk> manosav, scratch that
[21:28] <dubiuk> manosav, thats for xenial 16.04
[21:28] <dubiuk> OerHeks, not always
[21:29] <dubiuk> manosav, OerHeks, checkign workaround for 18.x
[21:29]  * CyberGabber Puts a large glas of cool beer in front of dubiuk.... Cheers!  adding your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT... row did the job!
[21:29]  * CyberGabber Puts a large glas of cool beer in front of dubiuk.... Cheers!  adding your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT... row did the job!
[21:29] <dubiuk> CyberGabber, np dude. glad it works.
[21:29] <OerHeks> if shutdown hangs, a process is keeping hold, just alt + F4 fixes most hangups
[21:31] <dubiuk> manosav, lshw | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:32] <dubiuk> manosav, this could be a number of different issues. hanging process is least likely. lets see if we cant find out what it is specifically
[21:33] <dubiuk> manosav, does your machine have an nvidia card in it?
 no i have amd r7 265
[21:37] <dubiuk> manosav, lshw | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:37] <dubiuk> and paste the link
 product: Pitcairn PRO [Radeon HD 7850 / R7 265 / R9 270 1024SP]
[21:39] <dubiuk> i want the whole thing plz
[21:39] <dubiuk> i want to rule out specific things
 https://termbin.com/f8tb
[21:39] <OerHeks> amd r7 265 with ryzen 5?
[21:39] <dubiuk> The main options here are: 1) Power Save settings 2) Video Driver 3) Grub CMD line setting
[21:40] <dubiuk> manosav, CPU: product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
[21:41] <dubiuk> manosav, dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
 https://termbin.com/rr89w
 CPU: product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
[21:44] <OerHeks> intel narrows the issues, but i read btrfs and raid6 ?
[21:44] <dubiuk> how many disks this thing got?
[21:44] <dubiuk> And did you need double parity?
[21:44] <OerHeks> such info would be helpfull with the 1st question
 i have only one plug in
 only one ssd
[21:46] <dubiuk> manosav, df | nc termbin.com 9999
 but i had raid 6 with my last software (windows 7 64bit)
[21:47] <manosav>  <dubiuk> https://termbin.com/2w6v
[21:48] <dubiuk> manosav, ok: Go to Settings > Power then turn off all Automatic Suspend options. Also choose Blank screen to Never.
[21:48] <manosav>  <dubiuk> the computer needs to restart to finish installing updates
[21:49] <dubiuk> manosav, change the power setting, finish updates and restart
[21:49] <dubiuk> manosav, are you on this machine to get in irc?
 already have these settings
 yeah
 so i will be back ok?
[21:50] <dubiuk> ok
[21:50] <texla> Ubuntu 18.04.1 How to I get desktop icons to show in /home/ray/Desktop folder ?
[21:51] <oft_gegong> texla: right-click your desktop and select "Show files in folder Desktop" lol just kidding
[21:52] <oft_gegong> maybe in gsettings if you search for "desktop" there might be a "show files in folder Desktop" type option
[21:52] <dubiuk> texla, are no icons showing up? or are the images broken?
[21:53] <texla> dubiuk, no icons showing up
[21:54] <oft_gegong> I think by default in Gnome3 desktops always show empty no matter what's in ~/Desktop/
[21:54] <xamithan> do you mean the files int he folder or on the actual desktop itself ?
[21:54] <oft_gegong> probably because Gnome3 doesn't want to be embarassed by sloppy-looking icons
[21:54] <dubiuk> texla, did you upgrade from 16 -> 18?
[21:54] <manosav> dubiuk: i am back
[21:55] <dubiuk> texla, if not: apt-get install gnome-tweaks
[21:55] <texla> dubiuk, Yes using dvd of iso
[21:55] <dubiuk> texla, inside is an option to display icons on desktop
[21:55] <texla> dubiuk, I have gnome-tweak
[21:56] <dubiuk> texla, nautilus --version
[21:57] <dubiuk> texla, apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool
 i am back
[21:58] <dubiuk> manosav, ok
[21:58] <texla> dubiuk, 3.26.4
[21:58] <dubiuk> manosav, did it hang?
[21:58] <dubiuk> texla, open gnome-tweak-tool
[21:58] <dubiuk> texla, go to Desktop, and check Show Icons
[21:58] <dubiuk> manosav, try shutting down now that its fully updated
[21:58] <texla> dubiuk, I have already done that
 no . but i tried to shutdown after log in and it hangs
[21:59] <dubiuk> dubiuk, can you place  file into your desktop?
[22:00] <dubiuk> manosav, are you using nouveau graphics drivers?
[22:00] <dubiuk> texla, try putting a new icon on the DT
 i dont know. i havent install drivers
[22:01] <dubiuk> manosav, try apt-get installing the proper AMD drivers for your card
[22:02] <manosav> dubiuk: can u tell me got to install the proper AMD drivers?
[22:02] <manosav> dubiuk: AMD r7 265
[22:02] <texla> dubiuk, add brassero icon to desktop favorites and still empty
[22:03] <manosav> dubiuk: can u tell me how to install the proper AMD drivers?*
[22:03] <dubiuk> manosav, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-radeon-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[22:05] <dubiuk> texla, just and FYI: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28
[22:05] <dubiuk> texla, im researching for you
[22:05] <manosav> dubiuk: https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-r7-series/amd-radeon-r7-200-series/amd-radeon-r7-265
[22:05] <manosav> dubiuk: which one?
[22:06] <dubiuk> What OS are you installing these onto?
[22:06] <dubiuk> texla, what does: gsettings get org.mate.background show-desktop-icons
[22:06] <dubiuk> say?
[22:06] <dubiuk> manosav, what OS are you isntalling these onto?
 ubuntu 18.04.1 lts 64 bit
[22:07] <dubiuk> manosav, is there an option in there to download the drivers for Ubuntu x64?
[22:08] <airwolf> What is best practice for outgoing firewall rules?  I currently have ufw to deny any incoming and allow all outgoing
 yes. but i have a lot of chooses
 which one to pick?
[22:10] <dubiuk> manosav, AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 15.12 Proprietary Ubuntu 14.04 x86_64 Video Driver for Graphics Accelerators
[22:11] <dubiuk> manosav, wait
[22:11] <dubiuk> manosav, https://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/amdgpu-pro-18.20-673703-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz
[22:11] <dubiuk> manosav, https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-prorad-lin-18-20
[22:12] <arpad2> nvidia driver not working, installed system slower than the LIVE one
[22:12] <dubiuk> arpad2, you installed the wrong driver, multiple drivers.
[22:13] <dubiuk> arpad2, revert back to nouveau
 10 minute remaining
[22:14] <arpad2> dubiuk: ok, how to do that? from Additional Drivers it won't work, because it doesn't have any effect
 bad internet connection :)
[22:14] <dubiuk> arpad2, nouveau is not an additional driver, is why
[22:15] <dubiuk> arpad2, can you use driver manager?
[22:16] <dubiuk> arpad2, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/C7bMY2qgqb/
[22:16] <texla> dubiuk, No such schema “org.mate.background”
[22:17] <dubiuk> texla, try to toggle the value in gnome-tweak-tool
[22:17] <dubiuk> texla, it might just need the ol' flip
[22:18] <arpad2> dubiuk:ok
[22:18] <kinghat> i changed the directory structure via a ssh over  file manager and im also ssh over terminal. the terminal is still showing the previous structure. is there a cache i need to clear or something?
[22:18] <kinghat> logged out and back in and its fine. odd
[22:22] <texla> dubiuk, No luck I can open Ubuntu Nate 18.10 from Ubuntu 18.04.1 and the icons are in the desktop folder
[22:22] <arpad2> dubiuk: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GxPxYsDPV2/
[22:24] <dubiuk> arpad2, apt-get remove nvidia*
[22:24] <dubiuk> and then reboot
[22:25] <arpad2> dubiuk: ok
 and how i run it?
 "xf amdgpu-pro-18.20-673703-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz
[22:28] <manosav> "
[22:28] <faLUCE> dubiuk: regarding what you said before: do I have to do  "sudo chroot /media/my-sd-card /bin/bash"   ?
 xf amdgpu-pro-18.20-673703-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz  ?
[22:28] <arpad2> dubiuk: restart done
 tar xf amdgpu-pro-18.20-673703-ubuntu-18.04.tar.xz ? ***
[22:31] <arpad2> dubiuk: video card is still not in use I think https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cz8WS8mknk/
[22:37] <arpad2> dubiuk: I might have sth similar to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1752938
[22:37] <bad63r> (press shift-j) /window page_up
[22:37] <bad63r> (press shift-j) /window page_up
[22:37] <bad63r> (press shift-j) /window page_up
[22:37] <bad63r> (press shift-j) /window page_up
[22:38] <compdoc> lol
[22:40] <pragmaticenigma> what systemd server restarts the parsing of /etc/update-motd.d directory? I deactivated the MOTD-news entry... but I get errors that systemd is still trying to execute it
[22:41] <pragmaticenigma> and by deactivate, I mean removed the 50-motd-news script from the directory
[22:43] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl disable motd
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> I don't want to disable motd outright
[22:44] <pragmaticenigma> I removed the component I don't want... something continues to try and execute what is now a non-existant file
[22:44] <blackflow> pam does
[22:45] <blackflow> that's the only trigger actually.
[22:45] <pragmaticenigma> okay... that doesn't answer why every day I have this in my log: systemd[21800]: motd-news.service: Failed at step EXEC spawning /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news: Permission denied
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> If it's a trigger... then it should keep trying
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> *it shouldn't
[22:46] <blackflow> oh I thought you meant what stops _displaying_ it on login.
[22:46] <OerHeks> you could disable all deamons, sudo chmod -x /etc/update-motd.d/*
[22:47] <OerHeks> or just 50-motd-news
[22:47] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: I don't want to disable all of the scripts there... just the stupid "news" one
[22:48] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: I did remove the execute permission... that's why I see the permission denied error. I want to restart whatever systemd's service is that is reading that location so it sees the file is no longer there
[22:48] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: did you disable it in /etc/default/motd-news?
[22:49] <OerHeks> now your setting is valid after logout/.login again
[22:49] <OerHeks> there is no update mechanism AFAIK
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: I don't want to disable MOTD... just the "news" element (which really is an advertisment from canonical for their paid support offerings)
[22:50] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: right, did you disable it in /etc/default/motd-news ?  :)
[22:50] <OerHeks> have you logged out/logged in again?
[22:52] <pragmaticenigma> it's not a session level issue OerHeks ... this is system level
[22:52] <_Sym_> should I be concerned about this error: "gsd-color[1309]: failed to set screen _ICC_PROFILE: Failed to open file “/home/delta/.local/share/icc/edid-d6ea478d706871bfad560075294facd0.icc”: Permission denied"  It seems like "gdm" is trying to access by home directory.
[22:54] <pragmaticenigma> progress of sorts... motd now sees the file as missing... why does motd care? and where is this file defined that it would know about it?
[22:55] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: please listen to me. did you look into /etc/default/motd-news? there's an explanatory comment.
[22:56] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: and then when you follow the trail from motd-news.timer, through motd-news.service, you can read the /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news that it Execs and see that it sources that file and obeys the setting ENABLED.
[22:57] <mario_> huhu
[22:57] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: that turns off the motd completely... I don't want to do that
[22:58] <blackflow> no it doesn't, only the news part, the one that fetches news from ubuntu servers
[22:59] <blackflow> there is a separate service that assembles the motd text from parts in /etc/update-motd.d
[22:59] <blackflow> the motd-news part only (pre-)fetches and caches the ADS from the net.
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: okay... I'll give that a try then
[23:01] <OerHeks> check /etc/ssh/sshd_config for PrintMotd yes ?
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> troubling is that documentation says anything in that directory without the execute bit should be ignored by runparts... but yet something is explicitly looking for that script to be there
[23:02] <blackflow> actually, my bad, tehre is NO service, it's the pam module that assembles the motd ad hoc, from parts under /etc/update-motd.d/
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: kind of correct
[23:02] <blackflow> so yeah, those two mechanisms are separate. motd-news is just for the news part.
[23:03] <OerHeks> jups, it is dynamic, so no need for a step to update
[23:03] <pragmaticenigma> what I'm trying to stop is the part that updates /var/run/motd.dynamic with the news component
[23:05] <tewn> live patch work ?
[23:05] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: and setting ENABLED to 0 under /etc/default/motd-news SHOULD do just that, does it not?
[23:05] <tewn> is it english ?
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> I hope so... in part, I may have misread that comment in the config file. I thought it disabled everything, as I want things like update-available and release upgrade to continue to work
[23:06] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: you can read the /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news  script, you'll see it at the beginning.      [ "$ENABLED" = "1" ] || exit 0
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> right... the concern is if anything else reads that setting
[23:07] <blackflow> (after sourcing /etc/default/motd-news firsT)
[23:07] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: grep ftw :)   but no, nothing else does.
[23:07] <_Sym_> tewn, on 18.04, update-notifier goes defunct for me a few minutes after booting because of live patch.
[23:08] <_Sym_> I had to disable it
[23:08] <pragmaticenigma> _Sym_: they left
[23:08] <bad63r> _Sym_: try replacing it with something else? like dunst?
[23:09] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: It is... I guess what I'm troubled by is that something is defined to look for that script specifically... in a folder that would otherwise appear to be expected to have dynamic files
[23:09] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: yes, the motd-news.timer and motd-news.service
[23:09] <blackflow> it runs just that part DIRECTLY from the timer, to pre-cache the news
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: really??? a whole service just to do that?
[23:10] <blackflow> that part = /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> so what should be said is that disable systemd-motd.timer ?
[23:10] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: look at it under /lib/systemd/system/motd-news.{timer,service}
[23:11] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: no, that would only disable the prefetcher, but not the part that assembles the motd from parts under /etc/update-motd.d/   scripts
[23:11] <_Sym_> bad63r, I have not tried dunst, maybe that would work better.  But I started using a custom kernel, so livepatch is kinda useless for me now.
[23:11] <blackflow> so to disable ti completely, not to show up under motd, you set ENABLED=0 under /etc/default/motd-news
[23:13] <pragmaticenigma> okay... think I've got it then
[23:14] <pragmaticenigma> trying to eliminate some strange behaviors with my machine... saw that one as a frequent error...
[23:14] <pragmaticenigma> next up... figuring out why mysql keeps dropping connections mid-transaction
[23:18] <bad63r> _Sym_: really easy to use it. Just steal some1 config from the internet. TO use it you just need to disable default notificiations and use dust. One line of code
[23:20] <bad63r> _Sym_: sudo vim /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service  and then change exec line to dunst location. To check dunst location: whereis dunst
[23:21] <bad63r> _Sym_: when you find dunst config all you need to do is to replace it with .dunstrc
[23:22] <_Sym_> thanks bad63r
[23:25] <bad63r> _Sym_: np :)
[23:34] <OerHeks> nice, fresh firefox update
[23:36] <blackflow> yay, it's out!
[23:36] <bad63r> blackflow: what is out ? :D
[23:37] <blackflow> FF 65
[23:37] <OerHeks> usn: USN-3874-1: Firefox vulnerabilities <https://usn.ubuntu.com/3874-1/>
[23:37] <Second> I just installed a new distro on my laptop, but it can't detect my wifi network.  I assume this is a driver issue because it was a driver issue with a different distro on the same laptop before.  None of the videos I've watched solved the issue.  Can someone help, please?
[23:38] <bad63r> blackflow: really, on ubuntu ?
[23:38] <blackflow> bad63r: yeah
[23:38] <bad63r> yey, thx <3
[23:39] <duoi> hey
[23:39] <duoi> how can i expose a port?
[23:39] <duoi> i tried iptables with no luck :(
[23:39] <duoi> went for this:
[23:39] <duoi> sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 5432 -j ACCEPT
[23:39] <duoi> but no dice
[23:39] <duoi> what am i missing?
[23:40] <OerHeks> Second, share what laptop and what wifi device please? lspci might tell the vendor
[23:40] <blackflow> and YAY html video transparency bug fixed!
[23:40] <duoi> erm, well this is what came up
[23:40] <duoi> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:5432          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[23:40] <bad63r> blackflow: well I saw that there is no extra space between the tabs and name of the window anymore :)
[23:40] <duoi> i imagine ive broken something somewhere
[23:41] <teward> duoi: well, with *that* output the service you're looking to open is ONLY listening on localhost on that system
[23:41] <duoi> teward right, how can i make it so that it listens to everythign?
[23:41] <teward> 127.0.0.1:5432 means it is listening on localhost:5432 and not on other network interfaces
[23:41] <teward> duoi: well, what *is* that process?
[23:42] <duoi> this is a little box sitting next to me
[23:42] <teward> no I mean
[23:42] <duoi> open only to the local network
[23:42] <duoi> its postgres
[23:42] <teward> duoi: what process runs on 5432 on that box :P
[23:42] <teward> duoi: edit your /etc/postgresql/.../postgresql.conf
[23:42] <teward> and change the listen addresses to "*"
[23:42] <blackflow> bad63r: oh yeah CSD!
[23:43] <blackflow> very nice. very, very nice.
[23:43] <teward> duoi: by default postgres only listens on local until you set it up accordingly.  But you also need to configure your pg_hba.conf to permit remote login from users/roles
[23:43] <teward> 'cause that's not by-default permitted either ;)
[23:44] <duoi> hmm
[23:47] <duoi> thank you for the help teward, its very appreciated
[23:53] <Second> OerHeks: Sorry about the delay.  I was looking for more solutions while I waited.  It's an HP 15 laptop.  Wifi card is a Realtek RTL8821CE.
[23:57] <OerHeks> Second, this post looks interesting, https://askubuntu.com/a/1071336 but read the whole article, you need to build it with dkms yourself
[23:57] <OerHeks> once build, the dkms takes care of future kernel updates, so that looks good
[23:57] <Second> I'll take a look.  Thanks.