[07:11] <didrocks> good morning
[07:15] <jibel> Salut didrocks
[07:25] <duflu> Morning didrocks & jibel
[07:27] <jibel> Hi duflu
[07:33] <ricotz> good morning
[07:33] <ricotz> could someone merge this https://code.launchpad.net/%7Erobert-ancell/libunity/update-deprecation-tags/+merge/353363
[07:44] <didrocks> salut jibel, duflu, ricotz
[07:54] <duflu> Morning ricotz. I would but am not familiar with that change
[07:55] <duflu> And its author is in a different time zone. So try again tomorrow
[08:03] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:07] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:07] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:16] <ricotz> duflu, thanks, this simply fixes a deprecation warning of valac (since 0.32) by moving to the new attribute
[08:17] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[08:17] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[08:17] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz
[08:18] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hey
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[08:58] <willcooke> morning
[08:58] <willcooke> and brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[09:00] <seb128> bck, good morning desktopers!
[09:01] <seb128> hey willcooke, brrrr it is indeed
[09:01] <willcooke> hi seb128
[09:01] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[09:01] <oSoMoN> morning willcooke
[09:01] <willcooke> -6
[09:01]  * seb128 had tennis training yesterday, outside, we played under an icy rain for 15 min *g*
[09:01] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[09:01] <willcooke> :(
[09:01] <oSoMoN> extreme tennis
[09:02] <didrocks> hey willcooke, seb128
[09:03] <willcooke> hi didrocks oSoMoN
[09:03] <Laney> BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²
[09:03] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:03] <Laney> moin willcooke
[09:03] <cpaelzer> seb128: sounds more like "hit the flying icicle" than tennis
[09:03] <willcooke> :D
[09:04] <Laney> could be worse https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/dp3tvwymr#?date=2019-01-31
[09:04] <willcooke> wow
[09:04] <seb128> cpaelzer, :)
[09:07] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:11] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:11] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:17] <didrocks> still answering MP comments on things unrelated to the MP ;) Quite time-consuming, otherwise good and ready for tomorrow, you?
[09:28] <Laney> /o\
[09:28] <Laney> yeah alright, looking forward to the delights of bruxxxxelelelelelslsslsls
[09:32] <seb128> wish fosdem was in barcelona instead
[09:32] <seb128> brussel with that weather :/
[09:36] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:36] <Laney> indeed, classic fosdem
[09:45] <didrocks> Waow, the Go room went from a room with 146 seats to a room with 446 seats \o/
[10:00] <willcooke> I've updated the release notes for Bionic with some bugs which got fixed for .2.  Could someone fact check me?
[10:00] <willcooke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[10:05] <seb128> didrocks, planning to go go again this year? ;)
[10:06] <didrocks> yep! Saturday ;)
[10:06] <seb128> lol
[10:07] <seb128> willcooke, sounds good to me, you are happy for the selection of do you want people to check if they have ones worth mentioning as well?
[10:09] <tjaalton> did the alt-tab behaviour change in disco?
[10:09] <seb128> yes
[10:10] <tjaalton> any way to get the old one back?
[10:10] <seb128> it's showing windows now and not applications
[10:10] <seb128> use super-tab
[10:10] <seb128> or change the keybinding in the settings
[10:10] <tjaalton> ok
[10:10] <tjaalton> thanks
[10:10] <seb128> we just inverted the keybindings default
[10:10] <seb128> you like than picking an app raise all its windows?
[10:11] <seb128> just curious, I'm still trying to understand what user think about those interactions
[10:11] <tjaalton> I like being able to change between apps which are in different screens
[10:11] <seb128> the app switcher does that but not the windows one?
[10:12]  * seb128 uses only 1 screen
[10:12] <tjaalton> yes
[10:12] <seb128> k, thx
[10:12] <seb128> willcooke, ^ if you keep track of feedback on those changes
[10:12] <tjaalton> app switcher only shows the apps in the same screen
[10:12] <tjaalton> i use a 2x3 layout
[10:12] <seb128> you use 6 screens?!
[10:13] <tjaalton> one has three terminators, one for tbird, four for firefox
[10:13] <seb128> or are you talking about worskpaces? (but GNOME doesn't let you configure a static grid, does it?)
[10:13] <tjaalton> workspaces
[10:13] <tjaalton> right
[10:13] <tjaalton> using the workspace grid extension
[10:13] <tjaalton> can't live without it :)
[10:13] <seb128> k :)
[10:14] <seb128> thx for the feedback
[10:15] <didrocks> hum, my alt-tab didn't change here
[10:15] <didrocks> I saw that we now have the date in the panel though
[10:17] <oSoMoN> willcooke, firefox 65 is now in bionic-updates, so it should be in 18.04.2, right?
[10:24] <willcooke> was in a meeting, reading scrollback
[10:25] <willcooke> seb128, I'm happy, with the selection, but yeah, would be good for people to add their own.  I will send an email
[10:26] <willcooke> oSoMoN, thanks!  I should have apt updated before I wrote that
[10:27] <seb128> didrocks, it's the default keybinding that changed, you probably played with that at some point and have an user config and not the default anymore
[10:27] <seb128> oSoMoN, @firefox, correct
[10:28] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, do you have a link for the changes? I didn't see any recent ubuntu-settings uploads
[10:29] <willcooke> tjaalton, thanks for the feedback.  I'd be interested to know if you were able to change the binding easily.  e.g. should we document that process some more?
[10:30] <seb128> didrocks, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/402105979/ubuntu-settings_18.10.6_18.10.7.diff.gz
[10:30] <tjaalton> willcooke: yes, changed it from the gui
[10:30] <seb128> tjaalton, do you know anyone you could nag to review https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libice/merge_requests/1 ?
[10:30] <gitbot> lib issue (Merge request) 1 in libice "authutil: save IceAuthFile on XDG_RUNTIME_DIR if set" [Opened]
[10:30] <didrocks> seb128: ah, that old! I stopped at .8 So yeah, I probably have it overriden for long…
[10:30] <didrocks> weird though ;)
[10:30]  * didrocks reverts the 4 keys
[10:32] <didrocks> hum, reset, restarted the shell and I still have the default keybindings
[10:32] <didrocks> weird
[10:32] <didrocks> my machine isn't that tweaked though
[10:33] <didrocks> gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings switch-windows
[10:33] <didrocks> @as []
[10:33] <didrocks> ah
[10:33] <didrocks> interesting, a local ubuntu-settings version
[10:33] <tjaalton> seb128: pinged alanc
[10:33] <didrocks> wondering how I got the date appearing in the panel change then
[10:34] <seb128> andyrock, didrocks, sorry for those trello change adding/removing a libnice url to card, seems like middle click on a tab doesn't only open in a new tab but also insert the in-buffer content to the card
[10:34] <didrocks> seb128: no worry, easy to delete
[10:34] <seb128> yeah, I did that now
[10:35] <didrocks> ok, got after reinstalling ubuntu-settings
[10:35] <didrocks> and restarting the Shell
[10:35] <oSoMoN> willcooke, thunderbird was updated to 60.4.0, in case you consider this release notes worthy
[10:35] <didrocks> weird that I had this panel change, probably not in ubuntu-settings
[10:36] <didrocks> willcooke: so, with this default change, do we still want the patch for "quick alt-tab" when switching between windows?
[10:36] <didrocks> as I guess most of people will just use alt-tab to switch between the last 2 windows now
[10:36] <seb128> didrocks, the panel change is from upstream I think
[10:36] <didrocks> seb128: oh? waow, I thought we did this :)
[10:37] <didrocks> also G-S merged the dependent MP for MP1 (as they wanted to rewrite the extension panel) but didn't ping or tell "let's merge MP1"
[10:37] <didrocks> I have to rebase on a large change again
[10:37] <willcooke> oSoMoN, thanks, added
[10:38] <willcooke> didrocks, @ patch - yes I think so.  Thats what we talked about on email the other day right?
[10:38] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, I thought it was still alt-tab at the time
[10:39] <didrocks> but as now we have alt-tab for windows switching and super-tab for app switching, I guess people using super-tab knows that they really want to switch between apps
[10:39] <didrocks> and so, raise all windows
[10:39] <didrocks> I would be for dropping our patch thus
[10:39] <willcooke> ahhhh
[10:39] <willcooke> Right
[10:39] <willcooke> Yes
[10:40] <willcooke> With the change of bindings, it wont make any difference
[10:40] <didrocks> yep
[10:40] <willcooke> so yeah, one less patch = wooo
[10:40] <didrocks> ok, I'll do that in git this afternoon, no need for an upload right away
[10:40] <didrocks> yes ;)
[10:40] <didrocks> next upload will pick it
[11:32] <apw> didrocks, i just lost my alt-tab binding ... is that related ?
[11:32] <seb128> apw, 'lost'?
[11:33] <apw> it was working, i undocked, gnome shell crashed as it is wont to do
[11:33] <sil2100> Trevinho[3v1n0]: hey! I was looking at the gnome-shell SRU in bionic and I'm a bit confused with some things
[11:33] <apw> logging back in, it now does nothing, and using the gsettings thing above it says '[disabled]'
[11:33] <sil2100> Trevinho[3v1n0]: like, many of the fixes in the bionic upload didn't seem to be marked as fixed by the cosmic upload
[11:34] <sil2100> Trevinho[3v1n0]: were all the bugs mentioned in the bionic changelog also fixed in the cosmic 3.30.2?
[11:36] <seb128> apw, weird...
[11:36] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney, the SRU question you might know about? ^
[11:36] <apw> seb128, pretty much what happens on every update, settings are just mangled randomly
[11:37] <seb128> apw, that sounds weird, I never saw that happening or being mentioned here before ... do you use a weird fs or have disk errors or something?
[11:37] <apw> none of the above
[11:37] <seb128> k, well I don't know then
[11:37] <apw> i've menetioned it here a few times, because it is really annoying we never honour my bindings, just wack over them
[11:38] <seb128> open a bug with the journalctl log from around the time your lost your config?
[11:38] <seb128> do you always loose the same bindings or is it random?
[11:38] <apw> seb128, i suspect we will find it is aside-effect of gnome shell just shitting bricks when i remove my external monitor
[11:38] <apw> that it is humping the settings db in the proces
[11:39] <apw> though i did think that my crahsing on removal from the dock was meant to be fixed by now, sigh
[11:39] <seb128> would be good to have a gsettings list-recursively dump before and after
[11:39] <seb128> can you ubuntu-bug report that crash and give us the bug number?
[11:39] <seb128> I also though we had fixed those issues
[11:39] <seb128> what serie about on? bionic?
[11:39] <apw> disco
[11:40] <seb128> hum
[11:40] <seb128> well please report the crash
[11:40] <apw> like everyone in the company
[11:40] <seb128> and give us the number
[11:40] <apw> the crash has not been reported to apport i don't think, sigh
[11:40] <seb128> yeah, I'm just surprise those "segfault when undocking" still exist in disco
[11:40] <seb128> hum
[11:40] <seb128> is apport working?
[11:40] <seb128> what is in the journal?
[11:40] <apw> it seems switch-windows is not a thingin the settings panel either
[11:41] <seb128> what?
[11:41] <apw> oh its not in the windows section, obviously
[11:41] <apw> ok at least that is back
[11:41] <seb128> good
[11:42] <seb128> but yeah, please pastebin/report at least the journal log
[11:42] <seb128> that crash on undock issue I'm not sure it's on our active list but it should if someone can still reproduce
[11:42] <seb128> if apport doesn't work at least the journal should say if it's a segfault, js error, other...
[11:42] <apw> seb128, looks like it said:
[11:42] <apw> Jan 31 11:35:50 brain gnome-shell[22406]: setup_framebuffers: assertion 'width > 0' failed
[11:45] <seb128> hum, there is no bugs that seeem to match that on launchpad or upstream
[11:45] <seb128> why is apport not working?
[11:47] <seb128> looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1729028 which duflu closed asking to report with apport
[11:47] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1729028 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashes when monitor sleeps or is turned off" [High,Invalid]
[12:26] <Trevinho> sil2100: mh, I saw the email for some of them but iirc the comsic upload should be basically the same that went in disco
[12:26] <Trevinho> isn't it?
[12:36] <Trevinho> sil2100: I replied for one, not sure if you noticed others...
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[18:09] <willcooke> night all
[18:09] <willcooke> those travelling tomorrow, have a great weekend
[18:58] <ricotz> fyi https://launchpad.net/zeitgeist/1.0/1.0.2
[19:03]  * xnox frantickly typing slides for the weekend