[01:22] <brainwash> genius3000: could be the normal and the snap version of those apps
[01:22] <brainwash> qwebirc45837: could be the normal and the snap version of those apps
[01:22] <brainwash> genius3000: sorry
[01:23] <brainwash> check with gnome-software which is able to list both versions
[01:23] <brainwash> or variants
[08:34] <thaurwylth> I noticed on some Xubuntu supported architectures webpage that x86 are well supported and also included in that are old 32b VIA (former Cyrix) models. That is all good. Is there anything else that I should check, or something that my system needs to support in order to be xubuntifiable? Should there be some buzzwords I should check to exist on the /proc/cpuinfo listing?
[08:39] <thaurwylth> (I know that 32b processors will not be supported starting with 19.04, but luckily 18.04 LTS and as of yet 16.04 LTS are available.)
[09:05] <super_koza> Hi!
[09:06] <super_koza> Since I installed Xubuntu on my laptop, I am having issues with the wireless speeds.
[09:06] <super_koza> I have tried changing the wifi card, but that didn't solve the problems.
[09:07] <super_koza> It really seems the problem is with the Xubuntu, because other devices in my network do not suffer from these problems.
[09:57] <brainwash> super_koza: I would ask in #ubuntu
[09:57] <brainwash> super_koza: xubuntu does no specific wifi configuration
[10:21] <super_koza> Ok, thanks!
[12:05] <qwebirc90726> Hi, how do I solve my problem with the two applications app!? I installed an update of firefox, gimp and vlc and now I see to applications the old one and the updated one in my menu bar and they both still work but when I search in Synaptec Package Manager only one shows up. Has anyone encoutered this problem befor in Ubuntu?
[12:11] <xubuntu80w> can someone help me about qt5ct
[12:15] <brainwash> qwebirc90726: I told you to check with gnome-software
[12:16] <brainwash> xubuntu80w: is it a xubuntu specific question?
[12:16] <xubuntu80w> yes sir.
[12:17] <brainwash> so, what is the problem?
[12:18] <xubuntu80w> thanks for reply, i install qt5ct to change icons and themeing of qbittorrent but whenever i open it, it says environment variable not set
[12:19] <xubuntu80w> but i have already set it to QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct in `/.profiles
[12:21] <brainwash> and "echo $QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME" in a terminal window gives the correct result?
[12:22] <xubuntu80w> i checked it gives no result
[12:22] <qwebirc90726> Hi, how do I solve my problem with the two applications app!? I installed an update of firefox, gimp and vlc and now I see to applications the old one and the updated one in my menu bar and they both still work but when I search in Synaptec Package Manager only one shows up. Has anyone encoutered this problem befor in Ubuntu?
[12:23] <brainwash> xubuntu80w: then it's not properly set in .profiles I'd think
[12:24] <brainwash> alternatively, you could run "QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct qbittorrent" instead
[12:24] <brainwash> as command
[12:24] <xubuntu80w> i just pasted QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct at the end of .profile, is there any other thing i had to do ?
[12:25] <brainwash> and "env QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct qbittorrent" when used in a desktop launcher
[12:25] <brainwash> did you relog?
[12:25] <brainwash> .profiles is only read on session start
[12:26] <brainwash> .profile
[12:26] <xubuntu80w> yes i relog and even rebooted
[12:27] <brainwash> maybe it has to be "export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct"
[12:27] <brainwash> try that
[12:28] <xubuntu80w> when i run qt5ct as sudo it gives QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root'
[12:28] <brainwash> why as sudo?
[12:29] <xubuntu80w> i did export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME="qt5ct" and export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct but no good
[12:29] <xubuntu80w> just to check it sudo solves problem
[12:29] <brainwash> does "QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct qbittorrent" work properly?
[12:30] <brainwash> when run as command in a terminal window
[12:30] <xubuntu80w> yes it works
[12:31] <brainwash> okay. I don't know why the env var isn't properly set via .profile :/
[12:31] <brainwash> maybe pastebin the file
[12:31] <xubuntu80w> yes that's what confusing me too
[12:31] <brainwash> so we can have a look
[12:32] <brainwash> or try to set a different var
[12:32] <brainwash> there is a chance that something may unset QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME
[12:32] <xubuntu80w> maybe
[12:33] <xubuntu80w> what file should i show on pastebin
[12:33] <xubuntu80w> environment one ?
[12:34] <brainwash> .profile
[12:34] <xubuntu80w> ok wait
[12:34] <brainwash> or maybe .profile is not read at all on login
[12:34] <brainwash> login via a display manager
[12:35] <brainwash> LightDM does
[12:36] <xubuntu80w> https://pastebin.com/fQmLdw6t
[12:36] <xubuntu80w> i think i login via xubuntu manager or something
[12:37] <brainwash> looks okay. no surprise there.
[12:38] <xubuntu80w> yes, i looks good to me too.
[12:38] <brainwash> assuming that you have also tested with "export"
[12:39] <xubuntu80w> yes i tested with export and without it and with "qt5ct" in
[12:39] <xubuntu80w> everytime i rebooted
[12:39] <brainwash> I would add another line at end: "touch $HOME/success"
[12:40] <brainwash> and see if that file is created after login
[12:40] <xubuntu80w> what i do ?
[12:40] <xubuntu80w> *it
[12:40] <brainwash> it will create the empty file ~/success
[12:41] <brainwash> to confirm that .profile was properly read (including your added line)
[12:41] <xubuntu80w> but to do that i had to relog how can i contact you again ?
[12:42] <brainwash> the same way to did in the first place
[12:42] <xubuntu80w> ok i added touch $HOME/success lets see
[12:44] <brainwash> xubuntu91w: okay
[12:45] <xubuntu91w> still qt5ct gives error
[12:46] <brainwash> https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/etc/X11/Xsession.d/56xubuntu-session
[12:46] <brainwash> the variable should not be unset in a xubuntu session
[12:47] <xubuntu91w> i already did it
[12:47] <brainwash> it should be QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
[12:47] <brainwash> unless overridden
[12:47] <xubuntu91w> i commented QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
[12:48] <xubuntu91w> should i uncomment it ?
[12:48] <brainwash> maybe
[12:49] <brainwash> was it set to gtk2 when testing?
[12:49] <xubuntu91w> ok let me check
[12:50] <brainwash> I guess what I'm asking is why you've commented it?
[12:50] <brainwash> instead of setting it to qt5ct
[12:51] <brainwash> xubuntu13w: is it set to gtk2 now when displaying the value in a terminal window?
[12:51] <brainwash> echo $QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME
[12:51] <xubuntu13w> right no its export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
[12:52] <xubuntu13w> it gives gtk2
[12:52] <brainwash> so, the solution is to set it to qt5ct in 56xubuntu-session
[12:53] <xubuntu13w> i am thinking should i replace gtk2 to qt5ct
[12:53] <brainwash> I have no idea why it's not working for you via .profile
[12:53] <xubuntu13w> ok and should remove line from .profile
[13:08] <brainwash> xubuntu92w: probably because you have started it with sudo
[13:09] <brainwash> check ownership of the qbittorrent config dir
[13:09] <brainwash> in ~/.config
[13:11] <brainwash> xubuntu91w: have you seen my previous messages?
[13:11] <brainwash> about sudo
[13:12] <xubuntu91w> no sorry, should i run qt with sudo ?
[13:12] <brainwash> not at all
[13:12] <brainwash> >probably because you have started it with sudo
[13:12] <brainwash> >check ownership of the qbittorrent config dir
[13:12] <brainwash> and the files in there
[13:13] <brainwash> if owned by root, it will not be able to save configuration changes
[13:13] <xubuntu91w> i checked it already
[13:14] <xubuntu91w> and now i am just confused why qt still gives me environment error
[13:17] <brainwash> which error is that?
[13:18] <xubuntu91w> this The QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME environment variable is not set correctly
[13:21] <Axzercion> did you try adding it to /etc/environment like most of the posts about it on a google search suggest?
[13:22] <xubuntu91w> yes did that i even added QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct to both
[13:23] <xubuntu91w> but still gives error
[13:30] <brainwash> xubuntu27w: how did you solve it?
[13:31] <xubuntu27w> i just used most stupid manner
[13:31] <xubuntu27w> i added export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct to sessions, profile and environments
[13:32] <brainwash> pretty odd
[13:33] <brainwash> glad you got it sorted
[13:33] <xubuntu27w> but still from what i know just adding to .profile should do the job
[13:33] <brainwash> only the Qt devs can tell how it works
[13:33] <xubuntu27w> yes i still feel bit iffy cuz i don't know how it got to work
[13:34] <xubuntu27w> anyways thanks for your time sir.
[13:34] <brainwash> you're welcome
[13:35] <xubuntu27w> bye, take care
[14:40] <xubuntu28w> help
[14:41] <xubuntu28w> help
[14:41] <xubuntu28w> how can i enter my bios setting
[15:00] <JustAdam> asdewrweed
[15:01] <JustAdam> hi
[16:32] <mnemoc> hi, I have xubuntu 18.04 on my thinkpad and I'm trying to use a bluetooth keyboard. it pairs fine and it only works after I `sudo evtest /dev/input/eventN`
[16:33] <mnemoc> I mean, it _only_ works when I'm running evtest
[16:33] <mnemoc> any idea what I could be missing for it to work automatically?
[16:34] <diogenes_> mnemoc, no clue but you can make a script that wil automatically run that command
[16:35] <mnemoc> diogenes_:it does sound quite fragile and redundant tbh
[16:55] <mnemoc> diogenes_: to make it worse, sometimes I  have to kill and rerun evtest
[16:55] <mnemoc> when the keyboard goes to sleep
[16:58] <brainwash> mnemoc: tried with a newer kernel version yet?
[17:05] <mnemoc> I tried with the bluez ppa, but as evtest works I assumed the kernel side of things was working fine and it was something with the integration with the window manager...
[17:06] <mnemoc> I'm running 4.15.0-45-lowlatency
[17:06] <mnemoc> all that ibus stuff  that killedctrl-shift-u for unicode years ago
[17:08] <mnemoc> what replaced ibus btw? I don't see it anymore
[17:09] <brainwash> nothing
[17:09] <brainwash> ibus just was removed from the default installation
[17:17] <mnemoc> btw, this is Xorg.0.log when turning the keyboard on. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sNnWjy48dS/
[17:19] <mnemoc> nothing visible there when running evtest, but this is evtest's output itself https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bN544Jjzfy/
[19:45] <Unlimiter> Hi. I have a problem... I have installed Xubuntu 1-2 months ago, but this problem just showed up before yesterday. The problem is that the screen freezes for 5-8 seconds, then it gets filled with blank, then it displays the GUI again. Sometimes, when I watch YouTube videos or do something that uses a lot of RAM, it does the previous sequence 2-4 times. And sometimes, that sequence occur randomly.
[19:45] <Unlimiter> It even does that when I just open a new tab in Chromium
[19:46] <brainwash> could be a problem with the graphics card driver
[19:47] <brainwash> I would check if it still happens after disabling Xfce's compositor
[19:47] <Unlimiter> The problem came out for no reason, idk what changed
[19:47] <Unlimiter> brainwash: is it compton?
[19:48] <brainwash> xfwm's builtin compositor
[19:48] <brainwash> settings manager > window manager tweaks > compositor
[19:48] <brainwash> you mentioned two web browser
[19:48] <Unlimiter> yup
[19:49] <brainwash> those usually get updates every few months
[19:49] <Unlimiter> brainwash: do I need to reboot my PC after disabling the compositor?
[19:49] <brainwash> no
[19:49] <Unlimiter> k
[19:49] <brainwash> not even relog
[19:49] <Unlimiter> brainwash: Oops, still happens
[19:50] <brainwash> with?
[19:50] <Unlimiter> disabling the compositor
[19:50] <brainwash> which application
[19:50] <Unlimiter> Chromium mostly
[19:51] <Unlimiter> It does that with Firefox but not too much
[19:51] <Unlimiter> Chromium kills memory
[19:51] <Unlimiter> But the thing is, the problem doesn't occur when I use AToml
[19:51] <Unlimiter> Atom
[19:51] <mnemoc> disabling chromium's GPU acceleration might help
[19:52] <Unlimiter> It's not just Chromium
[19:52] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, mind running: inxi -Gx | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:52] <Unlimiter> sometimes just randomly
[19:52] <mnemoc> bad ram?
[19:52] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: wrong usage
[19:52] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: oops wait
[19:53] <mnemoc> termbin.com ... amazing
[19:53] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: https://termbin.com/6h98
[19:54] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, nah, that's a mess, better run: inxi -Gx and pastebin the output somewhere else
[19:55] <diogenes_> !pastebin
[19:55] <diogenes_> and share the link
[19:55] <Unlimiter> Graphics:  Card: Intel 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller
[19:55] <Unlimiter>            bus-ID: 00:02.0
[19:55] <Unlimiter>            Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) driver: intel
[19:55] <Unlimiter>            Resolution: 1024x768@60.00hz
[19:55] <Unlimiter>            OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965Q x86/MMX/SSE2
[19:55] <Unlimiter>            version: 2.1 Mesa 18.2.8 Direct Render: Yes
[19:55] <mnemoc> Unlimiter: don't paste on the channel
[19:56] <Unlimiter> is that good?
[19:56] <diogenes_> good :)
[19:57] <diogenes_> you could try uxa rendering mode for intel
[19:57] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: how?
[19:58] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, run: sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[19:59] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: then?
[19:59] <Unlimiter> I put somethign in it from past resaerch
[19:59] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, sudo mausepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[19:59] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: I put this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wJ2qrPKPKB/
[20:00] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, that's goo but
[20:00] <diogenes_> instead of Option "AccelMethod" "sna"
[20:00] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: oh, so I need to change sna with uxa
[20:00] <diogenes_> you put Option "AccelMethod" "uxa"
[20:00] <diogenes_> save reboot
[20:00]  * Unlimiter rebooting...
[20:04] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: didn't get fixed
[20:05] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, what year is your processor released?
[20:06] <Unlimiter> Pentium 4, is released on 2000
[20:08] <diogenes_> oh right, so have you had any kernel updates or some mesa updates recently?
[20:08] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: I don't think so
[20:09] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: But I did had 2 system updates
[20:09] <Unlimiter> since my move to Xubuntu
[20:10] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: I do think that the problem occured just afterthe second update
[20:10] <diogenes_> so one quick check you could do is to reboot the system and boot a previous kernel
[20:11] <diogenes_> see if the things improved
[20:11] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: um, how fo I use a previous kernel version?
[20:12] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, you are dual booting?
[20:12] <Unlimiter> no
[20:12] <Unlimiter> I have just Xubuntu
[20:12] <mnemoc> I read there is a new fancy tool to install different kernel versions these days
[20:12] <mnemoc> clicky
[20:13] <diogenes_> then shutdown the pc and when you start it again, hold down sfit key
[20:13] <diogenes_> then you gonna see a grub meny
[20:13] <diogenes_> menu*
[20:13] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: mhm
[20:13] <diogenes_> advanced optiona nd pick an older kernel
[20:13] <Unlimiter> got it
[20:13]  * Unlimiter exited from a nearby toilet
[20:17] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: nope, not a kernel version problem
[20:20] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, another check would be to run the initial ubuntu release 18.04 off a usb in a live session and it the problem is gone, then it's updates, if the problem persist then most likely the chip is dying
[20:20] <Unlimiter> ok...
[20:20] <diogenes_> i meant xubuntu of course
[20:25] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: Btw, do you mean downling it from the xubuntuw ebsite?
[20:25] <Unlimiter> because that means the new updates are applied
[20:26] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, look for xubuntu 18.04 not 18.04.1 or .2
[20:26] <Unlimiter> it's 18.04.1 actually
[20:26] <Unlimiter> ok
[20:27] <diogenes_> there should be places where to download then older releases too
[20:30] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: I can't find them
[20:32] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, grab the 16.04 from here
[20:32] <diogenes_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[20:32] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: how about 18.04
[20:32] <Unlimiter> ?
[20:33] <Unlimiter> OMG, I literally have to wait seconds before doing anythin
[20:33] <diogenes_> Unlimiter, 15.04 would be a better choice
[20:34] <diogenes_> because your graphics is too old
[20:34] <diogenes_> thus must be checked with older graphics libs
[20:34] <diogenes_> i mean 16.04*
[20:34] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: nah that's not necesary
[20:35] <Unlimiter> everythign worked fine for 2 months
[20:35] <diogenes_> there is for 18.04
[20:35] <diogenes_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
[20:38] <Unlimiter> diogenes_: I'll try 18.04.1 first, to see if a third-party program causes the problem, then I 'll try 18.04
[20:38] <diogenes_> ok
[20:39] <Unlimiter> This problem will probably cause some people to commit suicide
[20:39] <diogenes_> lol
[20:42] <Unlimiter> You literally cannot do anything without waiting 10s
[20:43] <diogenes_> take it as a positive thing, you got some free 1o seconds time to relax
[20:43] <diogenes_> 10*
[20:45] <Unlimiter> Lol
[20:45] <Unlimiter> Actually I die in those 10s, and then revive to die again
[20:45] <Unlimiter> Lol
[20:45] <mnemoc> brainwash: I just tried 4.20.6 from mainline-ppa, issue remains :(
[20:48] <brainwash> mnemoc: personally, I would boot the 18.10 or even 19.04 (dev release) ISO, and check if the issue still remains
[20:50] <mnemoc> brainwash: thanks for the hint, I'll download 19.04 now
[20:52] <mnemoc> disco :D
[21:14] <quick> hello
[21:14] <quick> anyone here ?
[21:14] <diogenes_> hi
[21:15] <quick> Hi , i have a quick question, If i update xubuntu will it overwrite my files?
[21:15] <diogenes_> what are those "my files"
[21:16] <quick> general files documents, music
[21:16] <diogenes_> of course not
[21:17] <quick> by update i dont mean the sudo update i mean update OS version
[21:17] <diogenes_> it won't touch your personal files, it'snot windows who'd delete your files lol
[21:18] <quick> lol thats exactly my fear
[21:18] <brainwash> solution -> have a backup
[21:19] <quick> no space :/
[21:19] <brainwash> ideally, on an external device
[21:19] <quick> im not worried about worst case scenarios , it just in the past every time i would install a new version of linux i would do a clean install from live cd
[21:21] <qwebirc66693> Hi Everyone. I need some advice one a duplicate file finder. Which one would be the best for Ubuntu? My most important condition is that it is easy to work with and understand, sinds I just made the switch from windows to Ubuntu. Could somebody advice me?
[21:21] <diogenes_> i'd suggest to keep all your most importnant files in the cloud google drive or dropbox or anything else
[21:22] <qwebirc66693> Yes thank you. But I am looking for away to eliminate duplicated files on my pc and HD
[21:22] <quick> ok thank you guys and have a great sunday
[21:22] <qwebirc66693> *external HD
[21:22] <diogenes_> qwebirc66693, it was meant for quick :)
[21:22] <qwebirc66693> haha oke I figured!
[21:25] <diogenes_> qwebirc66693, FSlint
[21:26] <qwebirc66693> oke I just intalled that one. I am looking at it right now. I am trying to work out how it works and what it finds. For example in the result does it show the original file or not? And so, could I just remove all the file results!?
[21:27] <qwebirc66693> Is this safe haha, I am a bit scared....
[21:27] <diogenes_> qwebirc66693, did you do: man FSlint
[21:28] <qwebirc66693> what do you mean? It's just FSlint, I installed it true the synaptic PM
[21:29] <diogenes_> qwebirc66693, open the terminal and run: man FSlint
[21:30] <mnemoc> brainwash: it works fine with the latest "disco" iso.... I'm getting tempted to update :p
[21:31] <qwebirc66693> diogenes: aha I see manual!
[21:31] <brainwash> mnemoc: disco isn't out yet though
[21:32] <mnemoc> brainwash: not even via `do-release-upgrade -d` ?
[21:33] <brainwash> you would have to upgrade to 18.10 first
[21:34] <brainwash> what I meant to say is that 19.04 is still in development phase
[21:34] <brainwash> so, not out yet
[21:34] <qwebirc66693> diogenes_ that doesn't help me much unfortanetly I will try to figure it out.
[21:36] <mnemoc> brainwash: fair enough. I'll stick  to 18.04 and open a ticket
[21:37] <brainwash> mnemoc: in that case if would help to test with 18.10 too, and maybe even the 18.04 ISO (without any additional software installed)
[21:38] <mnemoc> good idea
[21:38] <qwebirc66693> HELP: I have a another question, Ubuntu installed two versions of gimp, vlc and firefox when I updated them but I can only find one back in the SPM?
[21:38] <qwebirc66693> How do I de-instal the old version!?
[21:39] <brainwash> qwebirc66693: I already told you twice to check with gnome-software (the Software Center)
[21:40] <qwebirc66693> ok thanks. Yeah sorry for that the two time I asked the question my pc went out so I didn't see the answer.
[21:41] <brainwash> it may be the case you have the normal and the snap variant installed of those applications
[21:41] <brainwash> snap being the new packaging format
[21:42] <brainwash> and only gnome-software will display/list them
[21:42] <qwebirc66693> ok I am checking it out. It's still loading. Sorry Im working on an old laptop!
[21:47] <qwebirc66693> I don't see it. I don't see two versions.
[21:48] <brainwash> you don't?
[21:49] <brainwash> or you don't see the two versions being marked as installed in gnome-software?
[21:50] <qwebirc66693> I don't see the two versions. I only see one in the software.
[21:51] <brainwash> see http://ubuntuhandbook.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/vlc-software-center-600x377.jpg
[21:52] <brainwash> you running xubuntu 18.04?
[21:54] <qwebirc66693> Yes I see. It doesn't show. Only one version.
[21:55] <qwebirc66693> It's Ubuntu 18.04.1
[21:55] <qwebirc66693> But this happend when I tried out the other desktop: xfce4
[21:56] <brainwash> I see two entries for VLC here
[21:57] <qwebirc66693> Since I am looking for the best lightweight runner on my laptop. I installed the lxde desktop today.
[21:57] <brainwash> same for GIMP
[21:57] <brainwash> this should not be affected by the chosen desktop environment at all
[21:57] <qwebirc66693> what do you mean?
[21:58] <qwebirc66693> two entries where
[21:58] <qwebirc66693> I see two showing up in the menu apps for firefox as well
[21:59] <brainwash> https://i.imgur.com/0zhhDck.png
[22:00] <brainwash> same for vlc and firefox
[22:00] <qwebirc66693> Yes I undertand but I don't see this
[22:00] <brainwash> those should be listed twice in gnome-software (Software)
[22:01] <brainwash> did you remove snapd (the snap backend)?
[22:01] <brainwash> that could explain why there is only one entry
[22:02] <brainwash> and the menu entries are just leftovers
[22:02] <brainwash> or do they actually work and start the application?
[22:02] <brainwash> for example, do both menu entries start VLC?
[22:03] <brainwash> if yes, what version does the About dialog report?
[22:03] <qwebirc66693> Yes both work and start and other version.
[22:04] <brainwash> what does running "snap list" in a terminal window give?
[22:04] <qwebirc66693> Uhm what is the About dialog report? You mean on the gnome software?
[22:05] <brainwash> no, VLC's About dialog
[22:06] <brainwash> Help > About
[22:06] <qwebirc66693> one versio is : 3.0.6. vetinari and the other is 3.0.4. vetinari
[22:06] <qwebirc66693> for vlc
[22:07] <brainwash> good
[22:07] <brainwash> now this
[22:07] <brainwash> what does running "snap list" in a terminal window give?
[22:07] <qwebirc66693> uhm I might have removed snapsd
[22:07] <brainwash> any reason why? and when was that?
[22:08] <brainwash> I would install it again, and then check the software center again
[22:09] <qwebirc66693> how do I find out if its still there what command do I do for running snap list
[22:10] <qwebirc66693> might have to do with an error I encoutered
[22:10] <brainwash> you open a terminal window and type "snap list"
[22:10] <brainwash> !pastebin
[22:10] <brainwash> then you share output
[22:11] <brainwash> it's either a list of installed snap apps, or an error message
[22:11] <qwebirc66693> it gives a list
[22:12] <brainwash> does it list the 3 application?
[22:12] <brainwash> applications
[22:12] <qwebirc66693> yes it does
[22:13] <xubuntu61w> Hello, 18.04 is great but, after the last update, I get the GRUB menu at startup. This is not a dual boot and I've tried setting grub timeout to 0, turning of OS Prober, etc. all to no avail. Thank you!
[22:13] <brainwash> remove them with "snap remove <appname>"
[22:14] <brainwash> appname is the name shown by snap list
[22:14] <qwebirc66693> won't that remove the other version as well? It shows the newer version not the older one!?
[22:15] <brainwash> it will only remove the snap variant
[22:15] <brainwash> which can be the newer version
[22:16] <Ya_Boi> I am trying to install Xubuntu 18.04 onto an old system I have and it launches into the install screen, but doesn't detect my mouse. I think there's a problem with the drivers. Any thoughts on how to solve this?
[22:16] <qwebirc66693> ok because it the Gnome software it shows the older version!
[22:17] <brainwash> right
[22:17] <brainwash> in your case it does not show snaps in gnome-software
[22:17] <qwebirc66693> no exactly
[22:18] <qwebirc66693> so why not? And what is a snap version then?
[22:19] <brainwash> alternative packaging format
[22:20] <brainwash> and distribution mechanic
[22:20] <qwebirc66693> oke so I removed the 3
[22:21] <qwebirc66693> oke and now should I update the others in some other way or?
[22:21] <brainwash> are the menu entries gone?
[22:22] <qwebirc66693> I had some problems with Telgram as well. But this one I only see in the snap and not in Gnome.
[22:22] <brainwash> right. telegram a snap-only version I think.
[22:23] <qwebirc66693> Yep perfect! Thank you, they are gone from the snap list as well
[22:23] <xubuntu61w> hello?
[22:23] <brainwash> the advantage of snaps is that you'll get the latest release of vlc, gimp, etc.
[22:24] <qwebirc66693> yes possible. It didn't show up the first time I installed it and dispeard again, but now it seems to stay when I installed it differently Telegram.
[22:24] <brainwash> xubuntu61w: maybe bug 1800722
[22:24] <brainwash> this was fixed in the recent grub2 package update
[22:25] <qwebirc66693> so now what should I delete the one from Gnome and install a the new version in snap. I am confused now.
[22:26] <xubuntu61w> thanks, reading the bug note now
[22:26] <brainwash> xubuntu61w: last comment in that report indicates that there is a problem
[22:26] <brainwash> qwebirc66693: why should you? if you wish to, then yes.
[22:27] <brainwash> note that snaps may take a bit longer to start up (you notice that you have a low end system)
[22:27] <brainwash> you noted
[22:28] <qwebirc66693> oke so the updates are not important here. And I can stick with the older versions. This won't affect anything in the programs. Or ...
[22:28] <brainwash> no
[22:28] <qwebirc66693> oke.
[22:29] <qwebirc66693> And the only way to update these versions is to install them true snaps? Do I understand correctly? So no way to update the old in Gnome? Sorry for all the questions I am trying to understand I am a newbie.
[22:30] <xubuntu61w> thanks. are the downgrade commands good/safe (i'm not an expert)?
[22:31] <qwebirc66693> And / or de-instal the old versions and instal the new versions again.
[22:31] <qwebirc66693> So not like windows that the updates cover the old one and replace it. If I understand correctly.
[22:34] <brainwash> xubuntu61w: you will have adjust the versions for 18.04
[22:35] <brainwash> 2.02-2ubuntu8.10 -> 2.02-2ubuntu8.9
[22:35] <brainwash> and you need to have .9 in the local deb cache
[22:36] <brainwash> or you have to go down to 2.02-2ubuntu8
[22:36] <xubuntu61w> ok. a bit nervous about this. how do i see what's in my deb cache?
[22:37] <brainwash> apt-cache policy grub-common
[22:38] <brainwash> new report bug 1814403
[22:39] <brainwash> qwebirc66693: the traditional packages provide a specific version, and that version won't change during the release cycle
[22:40] <brainwash> there are exceptions though
[22:40] <brainwash> like firefox
[22:40] <brainwash> but vlc may stay at version 3.0.4
[22:41] <qwebirc66693> what do you mean by traditional package?
[22:41] <brainwash> so, you either have to update this package via a 3rd party PPA, or use the snap to get the latest release of vlc
[22:41] <qwebirc66693> you mean the desktop interface?
[22:41] <brainwash> no
[22:42] <xubuntu61w> don't have .9 in cache. Out of curiousity, how long, nominally, does a fix for a bug like this take?
[22:42] <qwebirc66693> so I uninstal the version in Gnome and instal the newer version true snaps
[22:43] <qwebirc66693> *you mean the vlc package for ex. ok
[22:43] <brainwash> qwebirc66693: like you've noticed, you can just have them installed both side by side too
[22:44] <brainwash> xubuntu61w: a week I'd think
[22:44] <brainwash> unless it's something security related
[22:45] <qwebirc66693> yes well I figure it out what the best way is for me. Do you have an advice on the several desktop users like mate/lxqt/lxde/xfce4 wich one would be the best go for an old laptop! And should I reinstall everything from there own interface like Xubuntu/Lubuntu?
[22:46] <xubuntu61w> ok, thank you so much, brainwash! I really appreciate it.
[22:46] <qwebirc66693> So it's the most lightweigth possible and takes up the less space. That is exacly my goal here. But if I understand correctly having two versions installed from VLC for example won't take up more space then one!?
[22:46] <brainwash> xubuntu61w: you're welcome
[22:46] <brainwash> qwebirc66693: it will take up more space
[22:48] <brainwash> xubuntu is not that lightweight
[22:48] <qwebirc66693> owh hmm okey haha still trying to figure it out. So if I understand correctly, I have installed several desktop on my Ubuntu: Mate and Xfce4 and Lxde to test them out.
[22:48] <qwebirc66693> Oke
[22:48] <brainwash> it comes with quite a lot of programs and services
[22:49] <brainwash> but this is a channel for Xubuntu
[22:50] <qwebirc66693> and I can instal programs on the different desktops interfaces. So Gnome is Mate for ex.? And it it is installed in snaps it's installed in the core of Linux? Is this correct? Okey so maybe I should take a comp. course instead! haha
[22:50] <brainwash> MATE is based on the old Gnome 2
[22:50] <qwebirc66693> yes okey So I will try out maybe Lubuntu and mate (unbuntu).
[22:51] <qwebirc66693> oke
[22:51] <brainwash> and snaps are mostly used for applications, and not system related programs
[22:52] <qwebirc66693> oke so what would be the difference between the two? What is a system related program for example? And would this then be installed on the Gnome software?
[22:53] <qwebirc66693> Thank you for taking the time to explain.
[22:54] <qwebirc66693> But like vlc, this is an app right!? And this would be better installed true snaps or what would be the difference? Because it's less heavy then a system related program?
[22:55] <brainwash> system related programs ensure that your system (the operating system) is running properly
[22:56] <brainwash> this may include core parts of a desktop environment
[22:56] <brainwash> like the window manager
[22:56] <brainwash> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snappy_(package_manager)
[22:57] <qwebirc66693> yes oke I see
[22:57] <qwebirc66693> thanks
[22:58] <brainwash> this really isn't something that you can explain easily
[22:58] <brainwash> so, best to do some research on your own
[22:59] <qwebirc66693> Yes I understand I will, I won't take up more of your time here. Thank you for answering my questions.
[23:02] <brainwash> glad I could help
[23:03] <qwebirc66693> :-)
[23:46] <mnemoc> brainwash: btw, from the latest xubuntu iso 18.04 failed, 18.100 failed, 19.04 passed
[23:47] <mnemoc> unfortunatelly I don't have any other BT keyboard to test if it's something on this particular model or general :(