[00:01] <Anonissimus> found my cert issue, it is not enought to drop the cert in the folder and run update-ca, you also need to update the /etc/certs file with the name of the cert you want to add
[00:09] <Gerowen> Hmmm, for some reason I'm unable to join ubuntu-offtopic.
[00:09] <Gerowen> Ah I see, I have to log in with my username.
[00:28] <Tonytheguitar_> Hmm... My resolution for my monitor is a bit messed up...
[00:29] <prozack200mg> did you install a gui or is it a server command line?
[00:29] <Tonytheguitar_> Just the basic ubuntu desktop 18.04.1 LTS
[00:30] <prozack200mg> there should be a apperance option for it in settings
[00:31] <Tonytheguitar_> Yup. But It looks like something is missing... I only get tho choose 640 X 480...
[00:31] <prozack200mg> do you have a nvidia or amd card
[00:32] <Tonytheguitar_> Not really sure what card is in the machine. Haven't used it in years...
[00:34] <wonderworld> Tonytheguitar_: try this -> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-proprietary-graphics-drivers-ubuntu-fedora-linux/
[00:34] <prozack200mg> you can run lspci in a terminal and it should out put a list of your pci devices
[00:35] <OerHeks> just run sudo ubuntu-drivers list # or go wild and run:  sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[00:35] <OerHeks> * for nvidia that is
[00:37] <Tonytheguitar_> OerHeks: How do I do that?... sorry for a dumb question but I can't even see half the content on the screen.
[00:38] <OerHeks> open terminal, sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[00:38] <OerHeks> ctrl alt t
[00:42] <Tonytheguitar_> Hmmm... Got an error message saying Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock...
[00:42] <OerHeks> oh, just wait a minute, updates are pending
[00:44] <Tonytheguitar_> I have a NVIDIA G86 graphics card... Should I use the NVIDIA binary driver or the X.Org X server?
[00:46] <OerHeks> Tonytheguitar_, maybe that old card uses the 340 driver, yes
[00:46] <Drone4four> I've got an Ubuntu 18.04 server droplet deployed and apt is toast. I can't even access my server over ssh. I can only access my server using the web-based browser terminal emulator provided by DigitalOcean so I can't copy and paste output. All I have is a screenshot of apt. Here it is: https://i.imgur.com/KPw0WVV.png
[00:47] <Drone4four> I've found a number of other Ubuntu users reporting similar issues since 14.04. I've tried a few things but can't seem to find a resolution. For more details about my error messages and for the many suggestions I have tried, you here is my forum thread:
[00:47] <Drone4four> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2411652&p=13834979#post13834979
[00:47] <Drone4four> What would you people suggest?
[00:47] <ryuo> Drone4four: what makes you think apt is toast? it looks like a routine DNS failure.
[00:48] <OerHeks>  a droplet toast .. did you pay your bill ?
[00:48] <Tonytheguitar_> OerHeks: Probably. Yes.
[00:49] <ryuo> Drone4four: you should investigate your DNS servers. start in /etc/resolv.conf. if it references 127.0.0.53 as a nameserver, look at resolved.
[00:49] <Drone4four> Yes, OerHeks, y account is current. ryuo: So if my DNS has failed, then apt won't work either? So apt not working just is a symptom of a DNS issue?
[00:49] <Gerowen> Tonytheguitar_: I'm generally not an NVidia person, but I would just try out both drivers (proprietary and open source) and see which one works better.  You can use glxgears for 10-20 seconds to get framerate outputs for each driver and then just compare.
[00:50] <ryuo> Drone4four: in this case, yes. it says a temporary failure in name resolution.
[00:50] <ryuo> Drone4four: maybe more is wrong, but that needs to be addressed first.
[00:51] <OerHeks> if that G86 is the gs8400, maybe youtube will work
[00:51] <Tonytheguitar_> Gerowen: I will fire up the system as is I think and set any updates to download over night. Need to get some sleep anyways. Maybe I'll have better luck tomorrow.
[00:51] <Drone4four> The only uncommented valid line in my /etc/resolv.conf is `nameserver 127.0.0.53`
[00:52] <Tonytheguitar_> Thank you all for your help so far. I will most likely be back with more questions later on. at least I got it installed now
[00:52] <ryuo> Drone4four: can you pastebin the output of this: systemd-resolve --status
[00:52] <Drone4four> ryuo, would you recommend I change that line to `127.0.0.53`?
[00:52] <ryuo> Drone4four: NO.
[00:52] <ryuo> Drone4four: just leave it.
[00:52] <Drone4four> OK
[00:52] <Drone4four> I can't pastebin because I can't copy and paste text from my web terminal emulator
[00:53] <Drone4four> I'll take a screenshot and share on imgur
[00:53] <SlidingHorn> Drone4four: maybe you can pipe it into netcat:  systemd-resolve --status | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:53] <ryuo> uh... doubtful, SlidingHorn.
[00:54] <ryuo> their DNS is acting up.
[00:54] <SlidingHorn> oh, sorry, I missed that part
[00:55] <Drone4four> Here is `$ systemd-resolve --status`: https://i.imgur.com/7IPMFHq.png
[00:56] <ryuo> .. can you scroll?
[00:57] <Drone4four> Yes I can. I see some more contents. I'll screenshot this as well.
[00:57] <Tonytheguitar_> New errors upon rebooting... I think I give up...
[00:57] <ryuo> i already see a hint... resolved might be falling back to 8.8.8.8
[00:57] <ryuo> which suggests the networking isn't configured?
[00:58] <Drone4four> Here is systemd-resolved --status but scrolled down: https://i.imgur.com/j5lhfY3.png
[00:58] <Drone4four> My droplet has been working well for months, including with 3 properly configured vhosts so I am not sure what I changed which caused my DNS to fall back to 8.8.8.8
[01:00] <ryuo> hm.
[01:00] <ryuo> Drone4four: try this: host google.com 8.8.8.8
[01:01] <Drone4four> 'connection timed out; no servers could be reached'
[01:02] <Drone4four> In days previous when I was troubleshooting this issue around Google and elsewhere, I did change the contents of some configuration files
[01:03] <Drone4four> Maybe one of the changes I made just created a separate issue which is the one we are noticing now with 8.8.8.8
[01:05] <Tonytheguitar_> What the heck is wrong with this.... I thought this would be fairly easy to install.... Now I get "end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS" error...
[01:10] <Drone4four> ryuo, what might you recommend we try next?
[01:10] <ryuo> Drone4four: ip address
[01:12] <Drone4four> ryuo: https://i.imgur.com/0crGJIT.png
[01:12] <ryuo> Drone4four: huh. why does your droplet have a private network? curious.
[01:13] <Drone4four> ryuo, good question. I'm not sure. I don't recall setting up a private network
[01:14] <ryuo> Drone4four: is there anything in /etc/netplan?
[01:14] <Drone4four> I've got a VPN I sometimes use on my local machine, but not on my remotehost
[01:14] <Drone4four> i'll check
[01:15] <Drone4four> ryuo, https://i.imgur.com/2WssboB.png
[01:17] <Drone4four> ryuo, the only file inside the netplan directory is 50-cloud-init.yaml. The contents of this file can be found here: https://i.imgur.com/fUs4BzZ.png
[01:19] <ryuo> oh.
[01:19] <ryuo> I think I see what the private net is for.
[01:19] <ryuo> Drone4four: try: ping 104.131.0.1
[01:20] <Drone4four> "Destination Host Unreachable"
[01:20] <Drone4four> 100% packet loss
[01:20] <Drone4four> haha
[01:21] <ryuo> ip -4 route
[01:23] <ryuo> Drone4four: ^
[01:24] <Drone4four> Two lines of output. The first line: 10.17.0.0/16 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.17.0.5
[01:24] <Drone4four> And the second line is similar, but different ip addresses
[01:24] <ryuo> please.
[01:25] <ryuo> what is it?
[01:25] <Drone4four> 104.131.0.0/18 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 104.131.14.165
[01:25] <ryuo> only 2?
[01:25] <Drone4four> correct
[01:25] <ryuo> ... well, no wonder.
[01:25] <ryuo> try this:
[01:25] <ryuo> ip -4 route add default via 104.131.14.1 dev eth0
[01:26] <ryuo> then try pinging.
[01:26] <Drone4four> k. trying now
[01:26] <ryuo> .. this'll probably fail.
[01:27] <ryuo> if ping can't even reach the gateway on the same network.
[01:27] <ryuo> it may be a service outage.. if so, there's nothing you can do but wait.
[01:27] <ryuo> and/or complain to DigitalOcean about it.
[01:27] <Drone4four> The output: `RTNETLINK answers: File exists`
[01:27] <ryuo> hm.
[01:27] <Drone4four> I had to invoke it using sudo
[01:28] <Drone4four> without sudo it says operation not permitted
[01:29] <ryuo> of course...
[01:29] <ryuo> Drone4four: it looks like a failure in their network. you don't seem to have connectivity to anything outside.
[01:29] <Drone4four> strange
[01:29] <Drone4four> I'll file a support ticket with them
[01:29] <Drone4four> they have a message board
[01:30] <Drone4four> I did come across ppl with similar issues but from a few months back
[01:30] <Drone4four> there are no bulletins talking about a system wide outage
[01:30] <Drone4four> It's been like this for over a week
[01:31] <ryuo> Drone4four: well, what else can you do? i guess you could try reinstalling...
[01:31] <Drone4four> So I am surprised that DigitalOcean admins wouldn't have a network issue like this already resolved
[01:31] <Drone4four> I suppose, yeah, i could spin a new droplet
[01:31] <ryuo> well, it'd have a new allocation which may not have the issue.
[01:31] <Guest23400> weird....
[01:31] <Guest23400> aight by kids
[01:31] <ryuo> if it isn't an outage, then there's something wrong with the configuration.
[01:32] <Drone4four> i appreciate your help and troubleshooting guidance, ryuo tonight
[01:32] <Drone4four> thanks for your patience
[01:32] <ryuo> well, try to figure out why your gateway isn't answering. it's all I can think to say.
[01:35] <NEO_X> hey guys goodnight
[01:35] <NEO_X> i have dualboot win on disk 2 ubuntu on disk 1 with bootmanager  now i want to encrypt my ubunto disk is that possible
[01:48] <Drone4four> https://i.imgur.com/fUs4BzZ.png
[01:48] <Drone4four> (sorry, wrong channel. please disregard)
[02:41] <OerHeks> ]/clear
[03:59] <lvrp16> grub2 is missing this patch: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2016-07/msg00015.html which is needed for any armhf system to boot via efi. this is fixed in 18.04 but not xenial 16.04
[04:04] <tomreyn> !sru | lvrp16
[04:04] <tomreyn> this explains how you can file a bug against grub to have this functionality backported
[04:05] <tomreyn> (i.e. the patch ported / applied to xenial)
[04:05] <OerHeks> and version numbers, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2
[06:16] <voltagex> Hi, does anyone know what the performance impacts of ZFS on kernel  5.0 will be? Looks like a pretty major patch.
[06:18] <SwedeMike> voltagex: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ZFS-On-Linux-5.0-Workaround is probably the best place to follow the development on that. They do frequent performance testing.
[06:19] <voltagex> Ok. Seems like not many people give a damn - the kernel devs aren't punishing Oracle, they're punishing users, especially home users like me.
[06:20] <SwedeMike> voltagex: Complain to Oracle.
[06:20] <voltagex> Sigh.
[06:20] <SwedeMike> voltagex: or switch to something that is FreeBSD based.
[06:21] <JimBuntu> voltagex, might be better to talk on the -dev channel
[06:21] <voltagex> SwedeMike: I switched to Ubuntu from FreeBSD due to my hardware being better supported on Linux
[06:22] <voltagex> At any rate, I'll head over to -dev. Thanks JimBuntu
[06:22] <SwedeMike> voltagex: understandable from that point of view, but as you have noticed it has its downsides for ZFS.
[06:22] <JimBuntu> You are welcome voltagex , if there is anything I can do, please feel free to ask.
[06:23] <voltagex> Yes. At this stage it looks like I'll have to build my own kernel, just like the olden days
[06:23] <JimBuntu> voltagex, I love those olden days! If  it's that simple of a fix though, I'll be surprised.
[06:25] <voltagex> JimBuntu: as "simple" as removing the GPL-only declaration from a couple of exports. We'll see.
[06:25] <JimBuntu> voltagex, I wish my best wishes upon you! Please let it be only that!
[06:26] <JimBuntu> People of here! Can we all give blessings to voltagex  please?
[06:27] <voltagex> JimBuntu: appreciated but unnecessary
[06:28] <JimBuntu> The unnecessary is one of the best ways to spend time though. I'll pretend no responses are because they are busy giving you blessings. I do hope this works out for you though.
[06:34] <SwedeMike> I would love to run ZFS on Ubuntu, but I don't like the current situation of how it's "integrated" (or lack thereof).
[06:59] <CarlFK> is there a way to jump from a shell in a booted system into the efi boot manager?  (like kexec, only not booting a kernel)
[07:07] <tomreyn> CarlFK: i don't think kexec lets you execute anything other than a linux kernel. what you can do is to reboot into a specified efi boot manager target.
[07:09] <terra> Hi, I'm using /etc/network/interfaces to setup network on Bionic. "systemctl restart networking" has no affect on apply new settings.
[07:09] <tomreyn> CarlFK: okay, i'm wrong https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUzNDk
[07:10] <terra> what is the proper way to apply new settings rather than setting IP's manually
[07:11] <tomreyn> terra: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Network_configuration , yet?
[07:12] <CarlFK> tomreyn: I dont think that gets me what I want.  like I want to boot a usb stick. currently I sudo reboot, then watch the post stuff and wait for the right tim to hit f8, or hammer on f8 the whole tme, then get the list of boot devices.
[07:13] <CarlFK> arrow down to ubs, hit enter
[07:13] <CarlFK> hoping to get to that menu, or extra cool would be "boot this device" (the usb stick)
[07:14] <terra> tomreyn: I'm not asking about how can setup network via netplan
[07:14] <terra> because I don't use netplan
[07:15] <terra> networking service is aware of settings at first boot
[07:17] <terra> but, networking service becomes "unaware" of /etc/network/interfaces when I do "systemctl restart networking"
[07:18] <tomreyn> CarlFK: experiment with efibootmgr --verbose
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: not sure whats youe endgoal, but there's also 'plop boot manager' to experiment with to bootup usb's easy
[07:20] <CarlFK> lotuspsychje: goal: go from prompt to boot a usb stick quicker
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> CarlFK: some usefull tools here: https://www.plop.at/en/home.html
[07:21] <tomreyn> CarlFK: it's probably either a BBS device path, e.g. "BBS(HD,,0x0)/VenHw(2ce8128b-2fec-40f0-8372-806e0e3dc858,0200)" (i assume this would be a CSM boot, though) or a "HD(...)" path. maybe there is also "USB(...)", not sure.
[07:22] <tomreyn> terra: okay, i just wanted to be sure you're aware that iputils is now deprecated.
[07:22] <CarlFK> can I launch grub from a shell?
[07:22] <tomreyn> terra: sorry, i mean ifupdown is deprecated, not iputils
[07:24] <tomreyn> i don't know how to restart networking for ifupdown, though, since the hooks are no longer in effect
[07:32] <terra> tomreyn: does "deprecated" mean you can get "start" during boot but can't get "restart" while system running?
[07:32] <tomreyn> terra: i do not know.
[07:57] <tomreyn> terra: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031709/ubuntu-18-04-switch-back-to-etc-network-interfaces
[08:03] <tomreyn> CarlFK: just (UEFI) boot off usb manually once, then inspect efibootmgr --verbose to see how it booted, then you can add this permanently to the boot menu
[08:04] <CarlFK> tomreyn: if I can't get there from a prompt, that doesn't help much
[08:05] <CarlFK> all of these solutions end with "reboot... wait for post..."
[08:05] <tomreyn> CarlFK: you can get there by efibootmgr --bootnext
[08:05] <tomreyn> + reboot
[08:06] <tomreyn> but you'll have to wait for post, that's correct
[08:06] <CarlFK> rage :p
[08:12] <TomyWork> hi
[08:13] <TomyWork> I'm on Ubuntu 14.04, firefox's fonts are ugly. it's a known bug, but i'm trying to figure out what causes it. It's not the fonts that are installed,
[08:13] <TomyWork> I compared those
[08:14] <TomyWork> I even installed the freetype library from xenial (the problem doesnt exist on xenial) but that didn't change anything either
[08:14] <TomyWork> the firefox version is 64 in both cases
[08:15] <TomyWork> so i'm at a loss and I haven't even found a bug report on the official bug tracker with hints as to what causes it, just posts all over the internet
[08:16] <tarzeau> TomyWork: try 16.04 or 18.04 ?
[08:17] <tomreyn> TomyWork: it wont get fixed unless someone reports a bug (unless it's fixed upstream)
[08:17] <TomyWork> yes the problem doesn't exist in 16.04, like i said
[08:17] <tomreyn> TomyWork: also consider upgrading, you have 6months to go.
[08:17] <TomyWork> tomreyn i would like to know which upstream, for starters :)
[08:17] <TomyWork> freetype? firefox? fonts?
[08:17] <TomyWork> something else?
[08:18] <tomreyn> you say it's a known bug, doesn't someone discussing how it's known to them discuss those details?
[08:18] <TomyWork> let me rephrase that
[08:19] <TomyWork> it's a bug confirmed by multiple parties
[08:19] <TomyWork> i have no evidence that it's known by the devs
[08:19] <ducasse> yet you haven't found a bug report
[08:20] <tomreyn> does it happen with other applications, do you feel like linking to those other non bug reports, do you feel like showing a screen shot?
[08:20] <TomyWork> only happens with firefox afaik
[08:21] <TomyWork> https://superuser.com/questions/1034372/atrocious-font-rendering-in-firefox-on-linux this user's screenshots are representative
[08:21] <legreffier> you really should upgrade
[08:21] <TomyWork> yeah but i like to understand things
[08:22] <TomyWork> and i'm not going to upgrade if i get a new computer in the next 6 months :)
[08:23] <ducasse> trusty goes eol in april, so much less than 6 months
[08:23] <TomyWork> oh tomreyn said 6 months, i went with that
[08:23] <TomyWork> so, 2 months then
[08:24] <TomyWork> how do i filter the bug tracker by release?
[08:25] <tomreyn> TomyWork: sorry, 2 april is correct.
[08:25] <tomreyn> TomyWork: sorry, 2 months, so april is correct.
[08:27] <terra> tomreyn: still doesn't solve "systemctl restart networking" issue for ifupdown
[08:27] <tomreyn> terra: that'sa pity
[08:28] <TomyWork> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-kde4-meta/+bug/1196954 okay this bug is stupid
[08:28] <TomyWork> and the workaround detailed in there worked
[08:28] <TomyWork> yay
[08:28] <tomreyn> terra: maybe soemoen else knows, feel free to just ask your question again. you could also ask in #ubuntu-server
[08:28] <terra> tomreyn: thanks
[08:29] <TomyWork> thunderbird also looks better now \o/
[08:29] <ducasse> terra: what's the problem?
[08:32] <terra> ducasse: I asked again on #debian-server
[08:33] <terra> sorry..  #ubuntu-server
[08:33] <tomreyn> terra: the debian that is ubuntu?
[08:33] <tomreyn> :)
[08:36] <TomyWork> i'm not so sure anymore that this problem is fixed in 16.04 btw (or 18.04, for that matter)
[08:36] <TomyWork> i haven't tested kde on those
[08:44] <cappe> having issues mounting a trueos parititon type of zfs... seems like I need an upgrade to the mounting tool. what utility should I use and how should I run the command to make it work?
[08:52] <TomyWork> ok, in 16.04 with kubuntu-desktop installed, the problem is absent
[08:53] <cappe> seems like the Linux zfs tools do not have compability with zfs of freebsd (the latest version)
[08:53] <cappe> so how do I mount a partition of zfs from linux?
[08:54] <hitmanbad> cappe what is zfs
[08:55] <TomyWork> hitmanbad the filesystem to end all file systems
[08:55] <TomyWork> originally developed by sun for solaris, later opensourced under the CDDL
[08:56] <cappe> thanks you, very well put
[08:56] <TomyWork> CDDL is incompatible with GPL, which is why it was initially ported to freebsd but for linux there had to be some trickery
[08:56] <bindi> cappe: try #zfsonlinux
[08:57] <TomyWork> i forget how they solved it
[08:57] <cappe> wanna give me a better answer, maybe I'll give it a shot
[08:57] <Suriya> I am getting a Hah Sum mismatch while doing an apt-get update on Ubuntu 18.04. apt-get is trying to download a file http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f
[08:57] <Suriya> The sha256 of this file does not match the filename
[08:58] <Suriya> What could be the issue?
[08:58] <TomyWork> Suriya does the problem persist after "apt update"?
[08:58] <TomyWork> also, are you behind a proxy?
[08:59] <TomyWork> does that proxy (but try apt update first)
[08:59] <Suriya> Yes, I am unable to do apt update
[08:59] <Suriya> not behid a proxy
[08:59] <skr> morning
[08:59] <TomyWork> oh
[08:59] <Suriya> and tried multiple times
[08:59] <TomyWork> you get that problem *with* apt update
[08:59] <Suriya> You can download the URL for yourself and see
[08:59] <Suriya> Is apt-get update the same as apt update?
[08:59] <Suriya> Let me try with apt update
[08:59] <TomyWork> how big is it?
[09:00] <Suriya> I did apt-get update multiple time
[09:00] <TomyWork> nm already got it
[09:00] <TomyWork> $ sha256sum dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f
[09:00] <TomyWork> dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f  dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f
[09:00] <TomyWork> works for me
[09:01] <Suriya> I see
[09:01] <Suriya> Maybe it is an issue locally
[09:01] <Suriya> let me check
[09:01] <TomyWork> what does "curl http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f | sha256sum" say?
[09:02] <Suriya> 880ee1bd83cc904b8bf71f4a71b55377ded2a6e5af28942aa392f154fbc04ef0
[09:02] <TomyWork> odd
[09:02] <TomyWork> what does "curl --noproxy '*' http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f | sha256sum" say?
[09:02] <Suriya> 880ee1bd83cc904b8bf71f4a71b55377ded2a6e5af28942aa392f154fbc04ef0
[09:02] <TomyWork> hmmmmm
[09:02] <Suriya> Let me try from a differnet network
[09:02] <bindi> operator with a MITM ad injection?
[09:03] <Suriya> dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f
[09:03] <Suriya> Looks like it is some MITM
[09:03] <Suriya> Thank you TomyWork
[09:04] <Suriya> it is an issue with my local network, and I don't know why this is happening
[09:04] <Suriya> Is there some https:// that I can use?
[09:04] <TomyWork> should
[09:04] <TomyWork> try it
[09:05] <mceier> can you check the output of "host us.archive.ubuntu.com" ? ;)
[09:05] <TomyWork> for me that's us.archive.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.91.23 and us.archive.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.91.26
[09:05] <mceier> for me too
[09:05] <TomyWork> 2001:67c:1562::16 and 2001:67c:1562::19 too
[09:05] <jopz> ejabberd
[09:06] <mceier> what about you Suriya ?
[09:06] <Suriya> $ host us.archive.ubuntu.com us.archive.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.91.23 us.archive.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.91.26 us.archive.ubuntu.com has IPv6 address 2001:67c:1562::16 us.archive.ubuntu.com has IPv6 address 2001:67c:1562::19
[09:07] <Suriya> I can confirm that both files that I downloaded are the same size
[09:07] <Suriya> And I see that contents are vastly different (did a vimdiff on the hexdump output of the two files)
[09:08] <Suriya> About 6% of the bytes are different
[09:08] <Suriya> Not sure how to explain the different
[09:08] <terra> Can onyone recommend budget armv8 vps provider except Scaleway?
[09:11] <elias_a> Suriya: Sounds interesting. What kind of ISP are you using in your local network?
[09:11] <ducasse> terra: offtopic here, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:12] <Suriya> elias_a a regular ISP. I am in Bangalore. I have used this same ISP for years, without issue. I am seeing this issue today and I can see that the particular file's modification date is Feb 4
[09:13] <Suriya> I don't think this is a local issue. Maybe us.archive.ubuntu.com has multiple servers serving the same file and they are not all in sync?
[09:13] <elias_a> Suriya: Are you able to see modifications on regular web pages like injected ads?
[09:14] <elias_a> Suriya: Are the modification dates in all md5sum files the same?
[09:15] <TomyWork> Suriya judging by the file name, the file with that path cannot contain any content with any other checksum
[09:17] <terra> ducasse: even though if I want to test arm version of ubuntu on that vps?
[09:18] <iomari> greetings, I'm trying to remove/purge netplan (a real pain in the butt) but my system is telling me netplan is not installed and it is. What's up?
[09:18] <TomyWork> Suriya can you send us the file somehow?
[09:18] <ducasse> terra: yes
[09:18] <TomyWork> like, base64 encode it and put it on pastebin?
[09:18] <TomyWork> oh it's a little big for that
[09:18] <TomyWork> mediafire? wetransfer?
[09:19] <Suriya> I can send the file
[09:19] <ducasse> iomari: are you using the right package name? netplan.io?
[09:19] <Suriya> I have need experienced any ad injection
[09:19] <Suriya> Let me host the file somewhere
[09:20] <TomyWork> the file is an xz-compressed text file. diff should quickly show what's going on
[09:21] <iomari> ducasse: opps. thanks
[09:23] <Suriya> http://suriyasubra.webfactional.com/dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f I have hosted it here
[09:23] <Suriya> The sha256 sum is 880ee1bd83cc904b8bf71f4a71b55377ded2a6e5af28942aa392f154fbc04ef0
[09:23] <iomari> ducasse: that was supposed to be "oops" :-)
[09:23] <Suriya> I downloaded it from the URL http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f
[09:24] <ducasse> iomari: i got that :)
[09:25] <TomyWork> -Phased-Update-Percentage: 40
[09:25] <TomyWork> +Phased-Update-Percentage: 30
[09:25] <TomyWork> that, a bunch of times
[09:26] <PaddyF> hello, is it okay to ask something about ufw even tho i dont use ubuntu?
[09:26] <TomyWork> no idea what that means
[09:29] <TomyWork> Suriya good news is: this doesn't look malicious
[09:29] <TomyWork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[09:29] <TomyWork> ^ bad news is, there's a flaw in this system on the server side
[09:30] <Suriya> TomyWork I checked with tiple servers
[09:30] <Suriya> I checked with multiple servers
[09:30] <Suriya> I get the same wrong sha256 in my network.
[09:30] <Suriya> Anyway, I will go home and try it out
[09:31] <TomyWork> Suriya curl http://91.189.91.23/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f | sha256sum
[09:31] <TomyWork> what does that say?
[09:31] <Suriya> 880ee1bd83cc904b8bf71f4a71b55377ded2a6e5af28942aa392f154fbc04ef0  -
[09:31] <TomyWork> so yeah, your ISP is caching, that's a fact
[09:32] <Suriya> Caching!
[09:32] <coffffffffee> hi everyone can anyone tell me what acpi is and if i can turn it  off? I am getting these messages during boot, https://pastebin.com/fiV0vCUG ,I dont know what acpi is have googled quickly and found a page that talks about disabling it at grub menu, do any of you think that is wise
[09:32] <TomyWork> caching is usually too dumb to cause this kind of issue
[09:32] <coffffffffee> https://askubuntu.com/questions/160036/how-do-i-disable-acpi-when-booting
[09:33] <coffffffffee> this is the page i found that mentions disabling it
[09:33] <TomyWork> Suriya only thing you can do is ask them to wipe their cache
[09:33] <PaddyF> does ufw by default allow or deny icmp echo requests and echo replies?
[09:33] <ducasse> coffffffffee: try this http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[09:33] <Suriya> Got it
[09:33] <Suriya> Thank you TomyWork
[09:34] <Suriya> I will try from a different ISP
[09:34] <TomyWork> Suriya curl http://91.189.91.26/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f | sha256sum
[09:34] <TomyWork> try this one
[09:34] <ducasse> PaddyF: allow
[09:34] <TomyWork> it's the other IP for that hostname
[09:34] <PaddyF> strange then
[09:34] <Suriya> 880ee1bd83cc904b8bf71f4a71b55377ded2a6e5af28942aa392f154fbc04ef0  -
[09:34] <Suriya> Caching doesn't explain it
[09:34] <Suriya> Because it have tried different mirrors
[09:34] <Suriya> archive.ubuntu.com, in.archive.ubuntu.com, us.archive, etc. etc.
[09:35] <TomyWork> maybe they have their own mirror
[09:35] <TomyWork> and are transparently proxying all requests to it
[09:35] <TomyWork> Suriya curl -vvvv http://91.189.91.26/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/universe/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/dbaa1b935d420ed4a093a8f75748ec51a8d223b971e416bc233a2ecadf00502f | sha256sum
[09:35] <TomyWork> and pastebin the entire thing
[09:36] <Suriya> http://dpaste.com/1B91ZB3
[09:37] <TomyWork> this is odd
[09:37] <TomyWork> same headers and all
[09:38] <TomyWork> same Server field, too
[09:38] <TomyWork> anyway, talk to your ISP about it
[09:38] <ducasse> PaddyF: what os are you on?
[09:39] <Suriya> http://dpaste.com/1VVV6FK
[09:39] <TomyWork> you're in india, right? modi isn't *that* crazy, right?
[09:39] <Suriya> See, I am trying a different host
[09:39] <Suriya> maybe they are caching just ETag or something like that
[09:39] <Suriya> caching based on the ETag
[09:40] <PaddyF> ducasse: debian 9
[09:40] <Suriya> I tried with a different ISP
[09:40] <Suriya> and it works fine
[09:40] <Suriya> so, it is this ISP for sure
[09:40] <ducasse> PaddyF: i suggest you ask in #debian, then
[09:40] <Suriya> though I can't explain why the file will be corrupted, even though I am changing the host
[09:40] <PaddyF> yeah
[09:40] <Suriya> In any case, Thank you TomyWork for spending time to investigate
[09:41] <TomyWork> np :)
[09:41] <TomyWork> as said, it's probably not malicious, just old
[09:41] <TomyWork> looks a bit like they got half of two update phases
[09:42] <TomyWork> but i might be wrong
[09:43] <JulietDeltaGolf> hi !
[09:45] <Sveta> Hi JulietDeltaGolf
[09:45] <JulietDeltaGolf> I have a question about MD RAID6 performance ^^
[09:45] <elias_a> TomyWork, Suriya a broken cache proxy is very rare but every now and then these problems are found.
[09:45] <JulietDeltaGolf> Is this the right place to ask ?
[09:46] <elias_a> JulietDeltaGolf: !ask
[09:46] <JulietDeltaGolf> I'm running ubuntu 18.04.1 lts ^^
[09:46] <JulietDeltaGolf> !ask
[09:46] <Sveta> JulietDeltaGolf: perhaps either here or at #ubuntu-server
[09:46] <JulietDeltaGolf> Ok I'll try here then thanks :)
[09:46] <Sveta> ok
[09:47] <JulietDeltaGolf> So I have 12 drives raid6
[09:47] <JulietDeltaGolf> 256k chunk size
[09:47] <JulietDeltaGolf> each drive can sustain a 200 MiB/s
[09:47] <JulietDeltaGolf> If I dd zero to the drive with oflag=direct
[09:47] <JulietDeltaGolf> I get 96 MiB/s
[09:48] <JulietDeltaGolf> not exactly what I expected :)
[09:48] <JulietDeltaGolf> and the dd blocksize is of the stripe size obviously
[09:50] <JulietDeltaGolf> What did I miss ? How can I improve ? or is that just the state of the RAID6 MD implementation at the moment ?
[09:50] <iomari> greetings, I just noticed that my desktop right->leave only shows logout even though my desktop config is set to show options. What am I doing wrong?
[09:50] <coffffffffee> ducasse, wow cheers man
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | ducasse
[09:52] <ducasse> coffffffffee: yw
[09:57] <coffffffee> ducasse, worked a charm thank you very much
[09:57] <coffffffee> a
[09:57] <ducasse> coffffffee: good, it's a pretty useful workaround
[09:58] <coffffffee> howd u stumble accross that-same issue urself?
[09:58] <Sveta> JulietDeltaGolf: I am not an expert in this topic
[09:58] <Sveta> JulietDeltaGolf: but there is also ##hardware if you suspect this can be a hardware limitation
[09:58] <ducasse> coffffffee: i hang out here a lot :)
[09:58] <JulietDeltaGolf> Sveta > I don't think so
[09:59] <coffffffee> =)
[09:59] <JulietDeltaGolf> dd to each drive gives me the 2.4 GiB/s I expect
[10:02] <JulietDeltaGolf> Sveta > is there a kernel or software channel ?
[10:03] <ducasse> JulietDeltaGolf: #kernel, but try #ubuntu-server as well
[10:10] <JulietDeltaGolf> ducasse thanks !
[10:10] <Sveta> JulietDeltaGolf, may take a couple hours to get a reply there
[10:11] <Sveta> JulietDeltaGolf, just remain online and see what happens
[10:15] <inflex> Will Ubuntu be offering a simple on/off switch or tool option for the Spectre & Meltdown kernel patches?
[10:17] <JulietDeltaGolf> Sveta > will do !
[10:18] <ducasse> inflex: i kind of doubt that, but there are kernel parameters you can use
[10:19] <ducasse> !nopti | inflex
[10:24] <hitmanbad> maxima!
[10:28] <inflex> tx ducasse
[10:30] <ducasse> inflex: you can try to get it listed as a wishlist item, but don't be surprised if it's closed as wontfix
[10:32] <iomari> kbroulik: are there any known issues with networking? I can't get my network to work properly. I've removed netplan (hate it) and I'm using network manager but my connections, lan and wireless, keep dying even though sometimes the configs look ok, other times they become empty. As I'm writing this, the lan connection was working and now it's gone. I'm monitoring it with kinfocenter.
[10:32] <iomari> sorry this is general, not for kbroulik.
[10:34] <Guest79815> i have an ubuntu that i want to join it to windows active directory. and i cant access to interenet before join. is there any way?
[10:49] <inflex> ducasse, all good, I'm content with doing that.
[10:53] <MJCD> Hey some background updater service or something is locking off apt
[10:53] <MJCD> is there a way I can force unlock it
[10:53] <ducasse> inflex: then just file it as a bug, the devs will mark it as wishlist if accepted
[10:58] <Sveta> MJCD: kill that process
[10:58] <Sveta> MJCD: you'll need to find out what it is though... look at your list of processes
[10:58] <Sveta> MJCD: or wait for it to finish
[10:59] <MJCD> yeah I just waited for a while and it worked
[10:59] <MJCD> annoying
[10:59] <MJCD> should make a dialog or something
[10:59] <MJCD> saying 'Updating'
[10:59] <MJCD> or even implement a stateful lock
[11:00] <Sveta> MJCD: you need to file a bug report to the relevant package, if it's updating in background then it should show a notification somehow
[11:00] <MJCD> so I can know what process has locked it, when
[11:00] <MJCD> meh
[11:00] <MJCD> can't be bothered tbh
[11:00] <Sveta> MJCD: ya, or take your command and promise it will do it in a few mins. kinda of queue it for you
[11:00] <Sveta> MJCD: would that work?
[11:00] <MJCD> I guesssssss
[11:00] <Sveta> MJCD: and what package is it? unattended-upgrades or something else?
[11:00] <MJCD> or even just mark the package
[11:00] <MJCD> without actioning it
[11:01] <MJCD> will be installed next time apt install is invoked
[11:01] <MJCD> even by autoupdater
[11:04] <MJCD> Sveta, I have no idea tbh, I could probably disable auto-installing updates
[11:04] <Sveta> MJCD, if it's a part of apper or synaptic or whatever program, let me know, i reckon thats what to file the bug under
[11:05] <MJCD> meh I might have broken it removing nearly everything from xubuntu-minimal
[11:05] <MJCD> lol
[11:06] <MJCD> thanks for the advice anyway
[11:06] <MJCD> have a great day
[11:25] <nirakara> why do i get this error when running something like virtualenvwrapper's `workon <..>`?
[11:25] <nirakara> Maximum number of clients reachedUnable to connect to X11 display. Is $DISPLAY set?
[11:29] <aurolac> does hexchat file transfer work by default?
[11:30] <aurolac> or does a port have to be opened
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> aurolac: tested recently inside my own network, worked here
[11:35] <aurolac> hmm maybe its a NAT thingy
[11:36] <thaurwylth> Is there a nice way to print (on paper) from AskUbuntu?
[11:36] <DarkStar1> Hi everyone. It there a command line tool I can use to send emails but configure it's smtp settings?
[11:36] <DarkStar1> *with the ability to configure it's smtp setting*
[11:37] <aurolac> doesnt postfix have that options no?
[11:37] <DarkStar1> Nevermind. I just realised postfix
[11:37] <DarkStar1> @aurolac yeah sorry. I'm having the Monday blues
[11:38] <DarkStar1> :)
[11:38] <aurolac> i feel you
[11:46] <ramsub07> Hi, it looks like 400gb of my home directory is occupied, but when i do `du -sh .` i could only see 15gb being used. What is going wrong?
[11:48] <thaurwylth> Ramsub07, that would not find all directories or subdirectories, I think. Or probably I'm making a mistake here?
[11:48] <ramsub07> thaurwylth: what other command should i try?
[11:50] <thaurwylth> I mean du will be fine, but you probably need to refine the parameters a bit. How about using * instead of . or something?
[11:51] <geirha> ramsub07: likely unlinked files that are still open
[11:52] <geirha> To see where space is used, I usually use   sudo du -haxd1 . | sort -h
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> ramsub07: and to clean system space i use bleachbit, always gets me alot of gigs free
[11:55] <geirha> ramsub07: if you recently removed some large file, using rm, du will no longer show their usage, but if there are any processes that have the file open, df will still consider the space as in use. It will be freed as soon as all open file handles to it are closed
[11:56] <tomreyn> i.e. reboot
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <mobile_c> how do i get qemu m68k to compile?  https://bpaste.net/show/700b6179edf5
[12:47] <Sicnus> Good morning.  I'd like to setup an ubuntu Mirror for us in-house, but the server we have that is public facing (and what we can actually use to do the rsync) is actually Solaris 11.  I'm sure I should be able to just rsync the mirror, but I'm trying to find something to help facilitate this.   Any ideas?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Sicnus, perhaps #ubuntu-server chat might more appropriate for your question
[12:56] <BluesKaj> be
[13:13] <pazz8253> Hi, I'm trying to install a program that requires 32-bit libraries on 64-bit Xenial, but get an error while loading shared libraries - missing libwebkitgtk-1.0.so. Tried doing a `dpkg add-architecture i386 && apt-get update` (as suggested in many places) but apt still can't locate the i386 package in the repositories. Downloading and installing man
[13:13] <pazz8253> ually ends up complaining about missing dependencies. Any thoughts on how to go about this?
[13:13] <rory> can I see when a particular version of a package in the repo was updated/created?
[13:17] <lyiriyah> hi
[13:22] <AtomVelvet> Is there any way to integrate wireguard into gnome so I can use it like a normal VPN graphically rather than having to use `wg` cli?
[13:23] <lyiriyah> check if there's an extension on the store, if not maybe try the forums?
[13:24] <lyiriyah> this is more for #gnome
[13:25] <lyiriyah> AtomVelvet: is that alright
[13:28] <AtomVelvet> lyiriyah: thanks!
[13:30] <lyiriyah> AtomVelvet: no prob ;(
[13:30] <lyiriyah> * ;) whoops
[13:36] <milo> whats up everyone
[13:36] <thaurwylth> Is Adobe Flash still needed for something? I recall some major browsers announced at one point that there will be no support for webbased Flash in the future. I also recall that maybe many of these things could be worked around in HTML5 directly, maybe.
[13:36] <thaurwylth> I'm thinking on whether to install the Flash Player package or not.
[13:37] <seven-eleven> i want to use excel and word on ubuntu: (1) is this possible with wine?  (2) should I go for office 2013 or 2016?
[13:40] <milo> i just installed ubuntu on my ASUS and, while loading, it was stuck on boot screen with the 5 dots and not advancing.  It also periodically flashed on/off but didn't actually load onto GNOME.  I had to reboot to get in.  Any idea why that happened or if there's a fix for it?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> milo reboot agin to to see iof the problem persists
[13:47] <CookieM> thaurwylth, Flash is almost obsolete on the Web, you can drop it
[13:47] <BluesKaj> iif
[13:47] <thaurwylth> Is that a very very dangerous almost?
[13:47] <milo> when I rebooted, it loaded in....any idea what would've caused that?
[13:48] <CookieM> personally, I didn’t meet with Flash for around 2 years straight, so it’s practically dead
[13:48] <thaurwylth> Arright!
[13:49] <dubiuk> yea but what if he wants to play flash games?
[13:49] <dubiuk> and I don't mean the IRL kind... kek
[13:50] <CookieM> that’s of course another issue, but I don’t attend online games sites
[13:51] <CookieM> eventually you can always have it installed, just for case
[13:52] <thaurwylth> How about international sports betting sites? I mean I probably won't be needing to deal with those much, but I actually have an account with some non-withdrawn money, so I'll have to log in at least once.
[13:52] <thaurwylth> Probably the main site works without Flash, though.
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> thaurwylth: you can try chromium with pepperflash too
[13:54] <thaurwylth> Mmm hmm.
[13:54] <CookieM> all media content migrated to html5, so no job for flash
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> some url's indeed still need flash for some games or other things
[13:57] <CookieM> after Adobe reconsidered their support for Flash on Linux, you can again take advantage of this technology on your Firefox
[13:58] <CookieM> for example on live webcam sites
[13:59] <TomyWork> what advantage?
[14:00] <CookieM> it’s a phrase: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/take_advantage_of
[14:00] <TomyWork> "She took advantage of his desperation." - i see
[14:00] <CookieM> these sites require the newest version possible
[14:01] <CookieM> it was problem when flash on linux stalled on v.12
[14:01] <TomyWork> nah, actually flash in general was a problem
[14:01] <TomyWork> and it's good that it's gone
[14:02] <CookieM> and Chrome doesn’t appeal to my taste
[14:02] <TomyWork> if something requires flash, I wouldn't suggest a way to install it, but to look for an alternative
[14:03] <AtomVelvet> Anyone know what else I have to install to get `lyx` working?  It complains about not having textclasses, not sure how to fix that
[14:25] <MJCD> lol why is the package `dosfstools` part of ubuntu-standard?
[14:25] <ryuo> MJCD: uefi.
[14:26] <MJCD> that answer makes no sense to me
[14:26] <MJCD> can you explain?
[14:26] <ryuo> MJCD: FAT filesystem is used by UEFI partitions.
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> AtomVelvet: perhaps pastebin your output, volunteers can think along
[14:27] <ryuo> So, you need to be able to format them to support installation.
[14:27] <MJCD> and yet I didn't
[14:27] <MJCD> and don't
[14:27] <MJCD> lol
[14:27] <ryuo> you probably used an existing one.
[14:27] <ryuo> not everyone has that luxury.
[14:27] <MJCD> same as I don't need `eject`
[14:28] <ryuo> MJCD: i'm sure you also don't need 80% of the kernel modules shipped with kernels. what does it matter?
[14:28] <silv3r_m00n1> hi there
[14:28] <MJCD> ryuo, so then why are they installed?
[14:28] <MJCD> I don't get it
[14:28] <ryuo> MJCD: to cover those that do need them.
[14:28] <MJCD> But I did not
[14:29] <MJCD> its 2019
[14:29] <silv3r_m00n1> i am making a ringtone for my mobile from an mp3 copied from my videogame. i am using audacity. the sound on mobile is kind of "hollowish" how do fix this ?
[14:29] <MJCD> you can check if a thing is needed and then take further actions
[14:29] <MJCD> haha
[14:29] <MJCD> I even used the net install iso
[14:29] <silv3r_m00n1> i used the equalizer feature of audacity to change loudness at different frequencies, but the hollowness persists
[14:29] <ryuo> MJCD: windows also includes drivers for stuff you'll likely never use. it's there in the event you have such devices.
[14:29] <ryuo> MJCD: otherwise new hardware cannot be guaranteed to function.
[14:29] <MJCD> ryuo, it includes the drivers, but they aren't active until there's a device
[14:30] <ryuo> MJCD: same with kernel modules. they're still on disk but not loaded into RAM unless used.
[14:30] <MJCD> eject is still included, though no cdrom
[14:30] <MJCD> lol
[14:30] <MJCD> well not on my watch i'm cleaning house
[14:30] <ryuo> MJCD: enjoy a borked system then.
[14:30] <OerHeks> MJCD, still those tools are needed, for when you attack a dvd/cdrom .. but oke, delete those tools if you think you do not need them
[14:30] <OerHeks> lolz
[14:31] <MJCD> attack one you say
[14:31] <MJCD> what is my attack power lvl
[14:31] <blackflow> over nine thousand, duh
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> silv3r_m00n1: try the #audacity channel
[14:34] <Guest21089> Hello Everyone. So I might have messed things up. I installed diff. desktop env. on Ubuntu 18.04, like Lxde/Mate and xfce4 and I desinstalled Xfce4 and now it only opens in OPenbox, I can not choose anymore. Does anyone have a solution for this. In the end my goal is to program the most lightweight (and still a bit userfriendly) ubuntu so I was thinking of either installing Lubuntu with Lxqt Ubuntu Core with Lxqt.
[14:34] <lyiriyah> Guest21089: reinstall xfce4?
[14:35] <Guest21089> *or
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> Guest21089: for testing purposes you can tryout different desktops, but as you like one, its reccomended to clean install what flavor you like
[14:36] <Guest21089> Yes thank you. So how do I start from scratch and what would be the best way to go about it. And is Ubuntu Core a way to go or is Lubuntu still easier interface for a old laptop?
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Guest21089
[14:37] <OerHeks> read about ubuntu core, it is not a desktop
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> Guest21089: lubuntu isnt aiming to be lightest anymore, but still performs well on older machines
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> Guest21089: Ubuntu Core is for Internet Of Things devices, it is not intended to be run as a regular operating system
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> Guest21089: 18.04 and higher also have a minimal choice during setup
[14:38] <Guest21089> okey I understood that Xubuntu isn't that light either because of all the apps.
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: That's not correct, Lubuntu is still geared towards being lighter weight. They are discontinuing supporting older legacy systems that have significantly older hardware that is becoming less common
[14:39] <Guest21089> Ah oke. So what would be the best way to go about it for an old laptop with minimal space.
[14:39] <OerHeks> see the !flavors factoid
[14:39] <Guest21089> It still would be Lubuntu with Lxqt if I understand correctly.
[14:39] <MJCD> even just the FONTS
[14:39] <Guest21089> Yes I check it out.
[14:39] <MJCD> they asked me my locale data like 6 times during setup
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> Guest21089: Light weight is relative to what you are attempting to do
[14:40] <MJCD> but can't figure out with my US keyboard layout I dont need arabic fonts
[14:40] <MJCD> like hundreds of them
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: 'we will no longer primarily focus on older hardware.'
[14:43] <Guest21089> Okey, well my main goal is to take up as less space as possible on my old laptopt to have it running smooth. And I use the laptop pimary for text, video and prog. like gimp and of course internet websearch for ex.
[14:44] <Guest21089> When I look at the flavors I get a bit confused because Xubuntu/Lubuntu and Mate seem to be lightweight.
[14:44] <OerHeks> i hope your old laptop as a good GPU, else youtube/video would be a drag
[14:50] <lyiriyah> Guest21089: try installing ubuntu server then work from the ground up
[14:52] <tuxayo[m]> Hi :) Seeing that Ubuntu 18.04 will be supported until 2028:
[14:52] <tuxayo[m]> - is this for the general public?
[14:52] <tuxayo[m]> - is Lubuntu desktop also concerned? (same repos so I would say yes, but I prefer to double check)
[14:52] <tuxayo[m]> - Is it for 32 bits? because one of the machines to be installed has only 32 bit hardware support. (Lubuntu 18.04 has a 32 bit version)
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> tuxayo[m]: 5 years support + 5y ESM
[14:53] <OerHeks> tuxayo[m], no, lubuntu 3 years, get your facts right
[14:54] <OerHeks> no article says 10 years btw
[14:55] <Guest21089> *lotuspsychje what do you mean by *clean install (15:35) you mean just start from scratch again desinstal/clean up the system?
[14:56] <OerHeks> Guest21089, adding a desktop is no problem, removing one gives various results, like yours
[14:56] <Guest21089> and <lyiriyah what you mean bij ubuntu server? I'm sorry I'm a bit of a neb I come from windows.
[14:56] <Guest21089> yes I figures only half of it was removed.
[14:57] <OerHeks> fastest way to get things right is to reinstall
[14:57] <ryuo> OerHeks: really? https://www.zdnet.com/article/mark-shuttleworth-reveals-ubuntu-18-04-will-get-a-10-year-support-lifespan/
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> ryuo: marketing tricks
[14:57] <ryuo> Oh. I see.
[14:57] <ryuo> So it means nothing new.
[14:57] <OerHeks> uh ? 10 years..
[14:57] <Guest21089> yes first I need to uninstall everything. Okey well I see and figure it out.
[14:58] <ryuo> OerHeks: my guess is 5 years base, 5 years more if you pay for it.
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> ryuo: it means 5y public LTS support and 5y ESM payed support
[14:58] <ryuo> if so, it's just the deal with 12.04 for all LTS now.
[14:58] <ryuo> At least Bionic onward I think.
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> ryuo: yes i thinks thats gonna be the new trend
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> ryuo: in april 14.04 to be esm too
[14:59] <OerHeks> does hardware nowadays work 10 years?
[14:59] <ryuo> it can.
[14:59] <ryuo> I have an X200 that's now 11 years old.
[14:59] <tuxayo[m]> OerHeks: «no, lubuntu 3 years, get your facts right» Thanks for your encouragements, thats what I'm trying :)
[14:59] <tuxayo[m]> I have yet found the info that support for flavor was different. (aren't the repos the same?)
[15:00] <Guest21089> I'm just not sure yet what is the best way to go for my laptop (Packard bell NEW90 with win7 installed alongside ubuntu
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> Guest21089: whats your end goal, to be asked yourself first
[15:00] <ryuo> Guest21089: is that your end goal or current situation?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> !mint
[15:01] <ryuo> BluesKaj: ...? who was asking for something else?
[15:01] <OerHeks> good start, https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[15:02] <BluesKaj> ryuo, I need some info about mint in another channel that does have the proper info bot
[15:02] <ryuo> I see.
[15:02] <BluesKaj> does not
[15:03] <Guest21089> that my current situation with ubuntu 18.04 with different desktop flavors. My end goal is to run Wind 7 next to Ubuntu on the laptop. Wind beeeing a bacup just in case.
[15:03] <tuxayo[m]> lotuspsychje: OerHeks ryuo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history#Table_of_versions
[15:03] <tuxayo[m]> «Public support until » « 2028-04»
[15:04] <Guest21089> And my endgoals would be to have one flavour installed and not several. And the most suitable one, i mostly use program like vlc /firefox/mozilla/gimp not much more.
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> tuxayo[m]: see the url OerHeks provided
[15:04] <tuxayo[m]> lotuspsychje: yep, thanks. I was just checking that
[15:08] <thaurwylth> Tuxayo[m], as you will soon find out (or already did), all the flavours kind of come with a different Desktop Environment, which makes a big difference. And they also have different default programs for all kinds of things.
[15:09] <Guest21089> Yeah I understand. I am sorry but I have to run. Thank you for all the info guys!
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> Guest21089: see the !flavors page, and pick on that you like
[15:10] <Guest21089> See you next time. I'll think about it!
[15:10] <Guest21089> thank you.
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> Guest21089: every flavor can be tweaked as you want/need
[15:13] <aurolac> *cough* flavour ;)
[15:14] <tuxayo[m]> OerHeks: thanks, gotta fix Wikipedia :)
[15:18] <thaurwylth> Lotuspsychje, if another flavour has a low-latency version of the kernel installed and low-latency support software added, then how much does it differ from Studio any more? I mean philosophically speaking.
[15:18] <thaurwylth> Or, more to the point, why would someone make those tweaks instead of using Studio?
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> thaurwylth: with tweaking i meant, eyecandy, performance,likings tweaked,..etc
[15:20] <thaurwylth> Okeys!
[15:22] <tuxayo[m]> thaurwylth: «all the flavours kind of come with a different Desktop Environment, which makes a big difference.»
[15:22] <tuxayo[m]> I though that LTS updates were mostly relevant to packages independ of the flavors. Like web-browsers, the kernel, openssl, etc
[15:25] <thaurwylth> Wait, perhaps I don't understand here, or perhaps you have some two things mixed up, or something. Do we both agree that version numberings (annual April and October releases) and flavours of Ubuntu are two separate things?
[15:26] <tuxayo[m]> thaurwylth: yes :)
[15:27] <thaurwylth> Does LTS update refer to things that are updated retroactively after the LTS has already been released? Those are, to my understanding, indeed more likely to be things that are somehow critical.
[15:27] <tuxayo[m]> What I meant is that there was LTS maintenance work on Ubuntu which would be available to the flavors since it's the same repos, right?
[15:28] <tuxayo[m]> thaurwylth: yes
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntu, as many Linux Distrobutions, do not do version upgrades after a release. The LTS designation means that Ubuntu will release patches to the existing installed software (all packages) when one is available. It will not install a new version. There are exceptions (such as web browsers), but LTS has nothing to do with the flavor of Ubuntu, it only means the packages that were available at the time of release
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> will continue being patched until EOL
[15:33] <Chima21_> hello
[15:38] <cappe> how on earth do I mount an freebsd 13 zfs partition from ubuntu?
[15:38] <OerHeks> !zfs
[15:40] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/123126/how-do-i-mount-a-zfs-pool and https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/freebsd-linux-unix-zfs-automatic-mount-points-command/ mayb e a help
[15:41] <Chima21> hello
[15:41] <OerHeks> hi Chima21
[15:42] <cappe> I have tried serveral guides online already to no success
[15:42] <Chima21> Hi OerHeks I was just testing to see if I configured my account properly.
[15:44] <cappe> please give me some new ideas and help me out. so it's like this I have a TrueOS installation... and I wanna mount it just to find it with GRUB2. Still I really cant mount the partition and I have tried so much right now that I guess this is the last resort
[15:44] <cappe> and I'm currently in latest Ubuntu
[15:44] <cappe> my zfs is called tank
[15:47] <lordcirth__> cappe, not sure I understand. You created a zfs pool called 'tank' in TrueOS, and you are trying to mount it in Ubuntu 18.04?
[15:47] <cappe> in fact I would rather use REFind to bootmanage. but when I update Ubuntu, grub updates and replaces the bootloader (REFind)
[15:48] <cappe> the zfs is called tank, it's really the name only. installation of trueos calls it that by default
[15:48] <cappe> it's like "tank/home/cappe" etc
[15:49] <cappe> I need to at least have read rights to the tank/trueosinstatllation
[15:49] <lordcirth__> cappe, yes, the ZFS docs use 'tank' as the example name. So, you are having trouble booting both Ubuntu and TrueOS from Grub?
[15:49] <cappe> so that I can print the damn thing (REFind) into the bootloader after having found it first
[15:50] <cappe> it wont find the trueos at all really, and it's driving me crazy
[15:50] <cappe> grub wont
[15:50] <cappe> but refind will
[15:50] <cappe> still, refind shutsdown when i try to boot it
[15:50] <lordcirth__> cappe, you might be better off asking in a BSD channel.
[15:51] <cappe> well, it's a both-case right, it's really ubuntu that wont do right now
[15:51] <cappe> it's from ubuntu environment
[15:51] <lordcirth__> It's not off-topic here; but BSD users are likely to be more familiar with this sort of issue
[15:52] <cappe> have tried over there, just joking around really
[15:52] <cappe> they are with my questions
[15:53] <cappe> it's openzfs btw (speaking of in trueos)
[15:54] <cappe> doesnt really anyone here know a thing or two about mounting ZFS?
[15:54] <tomreyn> cappe: on a side note, if you don't want grub to replace refind, just uninstall grub (but then you'll need to manage booting into ubuntu manually / differently)
[15:55] <cappe> that's something I consider, good point
[15:55] <blackflow> cappe: well, I'm using root on ZFS on Ubuntu, but not with EFI
[15:56] <blackflow> anyway, you'll need initramfs support for it. there's a grub module to boot off of a zpool but I don't know if it's supported by the version currently in Ubuntu
[15:56] <cappe> first of, which tool is the service/daemon? then which tool do I probe with and finally what utility/program do I mount it with?
[15:56] <cappe> I have put it there, initramfs
[15:56] <cappe> already
[15:56] <blackflow> you need zpool and zfs binaries as well as all the supporting libs
[15:57] <OerHeks> cappe,  show us the steps in terminal, and use paste.ubuntu.com
[15:57] <blackflow> /sbin/zpool and /sbin/zfs thatis
[15:57] <cappe> I'm pretty sure I have that, all of it
[15:57] <OerHeks> this way it is running circles
[15:57] <blackflow> cappe: also the kernel modules
[15:57] <cappe> have u any links btw? some useful guide, have used google already, a lot, not found anything very useful
[15:58] <OerHeks> i gave you pretty good tutorials
[15:58] <blackflow> cappe: the wikis on zfsonlinux github is the "official" documentation
[15:58] <cappe> I see
[15:58] <blackflow> https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki
[15:59] <cappe> ok, I'll try to get that into my knowledge, still, it's heavy reading IMHO
[16:00] <cappe> The current vendor of ZFS code for FreeBSD is the Illumos project: found that. maybe something useful
[16:00] <blackflow> cappe: however, that's initramfs support, not grub support. grub would need to load initramfs from a non-zfs filesystem first
[16:01] <cappe> If I understand it right, I thought I needed a grub-config just to boot BSD...
[16:01] <blackflow> cappe: keep in mind that FreeBSD is switching to Zfsonlinux. In fact, ZoL is now to become the reference openzfs implementation
[16:01] <cappe> that I would have to input on my own typing
[16:02] <blackflow> cappe: found this about using grub with a zpool directly: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/447960/how-to-create-a-zfs-zpool-that-grub-can-read
[16:02] <blackflow> looks like grub support still isn't solved properly.
[16:03] <cappe> that's something useful, that link, I'll give it a shot
[16:03] <cappe> but on the other hand, it's very complicated. maybe above my level
[16:03] <blackflow> cappe: what is this about tho, dual booting?
[16:04] <cappe> exacly that
[16:04] <cappe> triple booting (in fact)
[16:04] <cappe> Ubuntu, Win10 and TrueOS
[16:05] <blackflow> cappe: where ubuntu and trueos are both on zfs?
[16:05] <cappe> I had it working UNTIL the ubuntu all by itself reinstalled the bootmanager (REFind) with it's very own GRUB!
[16:05] <cappe> nope
[16:05] <cappe> ubuntu is ext4
[16:05] <blackflow> oh
[16:06] <cappe> so just overwrite the bootmanager maybe should be at least a queston about when updating the ubuntusystem
[16:06] <blackflow> multi-booting was always such a mess for me, that I rather spent extra monies and bought each their own disks, and used bios boot selector.  least amount of trouble.
[16:07] <cappe> it's exactly so for me as well
[16:07] <cappe> but I won't give up, I really wanna have this working!
[16:07] <cappe> and REFind has made it once, now it's unfunctional however
[16:08] <blackflow> cappe: you can always reconfigure the ESP to your liking and change whatever the installer did. for TrueOS, I guess all you need is to copy off the boot1.efi from its /boot dir (at least that's teh case with FreeBSD, I have no idea if TrueOS changes anything there)
[16:09] <cappe> but I cannot access the trueos.efi since I cant mount it in the first place
[16:09] <blackflow> cappe: I suppose you can do the same and put Ubuntu' EFI loader on the ESP as well, I'm not sure, EFI is still a bit of a terra incognita for me, being how messy the implementation in linux is
[16:09] <blackflow> cappe: can you boot into ubuntu?
[16:09] <cappe> yes, already there
[16:10] <blackflow> then all you need is to install zfsutils-linux, modprobe zfs, and you can work with zfs
[16:10] <cappe> that's what I have been trying to do from the start m8
[16:10] <blackflow> ubuntu keeps zfs modules with the linux kernel packages so you don't have to compile anything or reboot
[16:10] <cappe> that's the issue, my question really
[16:10] <blackflow> cappe: okay, so where did you get stuck at?
[16:10] <converge> After restart my server I get stuck here: https://imgur.com/a/oQoQdEP , but I can't see any error messages, neither in /var/log/syslog , is there something I can do ?
[16:10] <cappe> first 1. cant start daemon
[16:10] <OerHeks> we did not see any logs and errors, so why don't you post this info?
[16:10] <cappe> donno what binary
[16:11] <OerHeks> i hardly believe you are on ubuntu, avoiding such info
[16:11] <lordcirth__> converge, what Ubuntu version? Have you tried booting in recovery?
[16:11] <cappe> what?
[16:11] <alebeta> hello friends, i had been trying to install Ubuntu 18 in my lenovo deskto with a nVidia GTX 1080. I saw some recomendetions to set in the grub the option "nomodeset" t avoid some problems with the grapics, i manage to get into the desktop, but when I click install ubuntu, it is crashing login out from the "live session user" and  can not even start the installation
[16:11] <blackflow> cappe: okay step by step. can you boot into ubuntu? you said "already there", so I'm assuming you can?
[16:11] <cappe> yes
[16:12] <converge> lordcirth__, ubuntu 16, I can login into recovery mode, I tried to find some log information about the error, but couldn't find anything
[16:12] <blackflow> cappe: okay, now, can you install zfsutils-linux?
[16:12] <cappe> thanks man, you will f* make my day, I really hope for this to work now
[16:12] <cappe> already there, installed
[16:13] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | converge
[16:13] <blackflow> cappe: now `modprobe zfs` and then run `zpool import` and then you should see your trueos zpool. then you `zpool import -R /mnt <that pool name` and you're done, stuff's under /mnt
[16:13] <converge> 16.04.5 <- version
[16:13] <blackflow> cappe: <that pool name> without <> of course, I typo'd missing >
[16:14] <blackflow> cappe: if nothing is mounted under /mnt, then you just run `zfs mount <dataset>` on the ds you want, and it'll mount. -R is altroot prefix so it doesn't clobber your regular mountpoints, and stays below /mnt
[16:15] <cappe> do I need to create the directory /mnt/tank?
[16:15] <blackflow> cappe: nope
[16:15] <cappe> ok
[16:15] <blackflow> `zfs list` to list available datasets, after that zpool import is done.
[16:15] <tomreyn> converge: this is really early into the boot process, vda1 (probably / ?) was only just remounted rw, so logging to disk may not have taken place, yet.
[16:16] <tomreyn> converge: how long did you wait at this screen?
[16:16] <blackflow> cappe: zfs is a bit of a kitchen-sink all-in-one fs+raid+volume_manager   and mounting its paths autocreates directories (unlike, say, mount for ext4)
[16:16] <converge> tomreyn, more than 1 hour while I was searching about how to fix it
[16:16] <converge> *researching
[16:17] <tomreyn> converge: my gut feeling is it is to do with iscsi, do you have / on it?
[16:17] <cappe> /mnt/that pool name, will you clarify?
[16:17] <converge> I can mount the partition in recovery mode
[16:17] <blackflow> cappe: say the pool name is "tank".     zpool import -R /mnt tank
[16:17] <cappe> ok
[16:17] <converge> tomreyn, I don't think so, it's a digital ocean droplet
[16:18] <blackflow> cappe: btw is this bionic or newer ubuntu? 16.04 might have issues importing newer pools.
[16:18] <tomreyn> converge: i dont think it would get started unless it was needed
[16:19] <cappe> This pool uses the following feature(s) not supported by this system: com.delphix:spacemap_v2 (Space maps representing large segments are more efficient.)
[16:19] <converge> tomreyn, maybe disabling iscsid from boot would fix it?
[16:19] <tomreyn> converge: did you recently install ufw, or recently made any other relevant changes which could have caused this?
[16:19] <blackflow> cappe: right, but it allows mounting read-only, yes?
[16:19] <blackflow> cappe: you only want to grab the boot1.efi, no?
[16:20] <converge> tomreyn, now.. I just restarted the server, it's a basic server, apache, php, mysql..
[16:20] <cappe> cappe@platina:~$ sudo zpool import -f -R -o /mnt tank
[16:20] <cappe> cannot import '/mnt': no such pool available
[16:20] <blackflow> cappe: I never told you to -o
[16:20] <cappe> oh
[16:20] <blackflow> (or -f for that matter)
[16:21] <tomreyn> converge: maybe removing iscsi backed devices off fstab (or overriding them with linux boot parameters - i don't know how / whether that's possible) temporarily would be worth a try.
[16:22] <cappe> cappe@platina:~$ zpool import -R /mnt tank
[16:22] <cappe> cannot import 'tank': no such pool available
[16:22] <blackflow> cappe: what does only `zpool import` show?
[16:22] <blackflow> !paste | cappe
[16:22] <converge> tomreyn, I disabled the service from boot, systemctl iscsid disable , but Im still stuck on boot process
[16:23] <cappe> "already mounted by other system"
[16:23] <OerHeks> sudo zpool import  ...
[16:23] <blackflow> OerHeks: no need
[16:23] <lordcirth__> converge, often it is the thing right *after* the last line that is actually broken
[16:23] <cappe> The pool can be imported, use 'zpool import -f' to import the pool.
[16:23] <cappe> was the last line
[16:23] <blackflow> cappe: can you please pastebin exactly the output of `zpool import`?
[16:24] <converge> lordievader, I agree, and I was expecting something [error] or something to tell me what's wrong..
[16:24] <tomreyn> converge: what's the screen output now?
[16:24] <cappe> it finds it (id 6732492245077962029)
[16:24] <converge> tomreyn, same as before, without the scsid line
[16:24] <blackflow> cappe: can you please pastebin exactly the output of `zpool import`?
[16:24] <cappe> ok sure
[16:26] <converge> tomreyn, lordcirth__ , another weird thing is that my syslog last update was on 1/02/2019
[16:26] <tomreyn> converge: maybe / ran full?
[16:26] <tomreyn> or needs an fsck
[16:27] <cappe> here it is
[16:27] <cappe> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V5XQXZ55Sw/
[16:27] <lordcirth__> "UNAVAIL  unsupported feature(s)"
[16:28] <blackflow> cappe: "The pool cannot be imported due to damaged devices or data."  huh.
[16:28] <converge> fsck was checked.. everything is good..
[16:28] <ash_worksi> is there a way to loop through the currently open tabs and copy the urls to a file programatically?
[16:28] <lordcirth__> cappe, Sounds like your Ubuntu's zfs version is older than the one that created it
[16:28] <blackflow> cappe: now try  `zpool import -f -R /mnt tank`   if that doesn't work, I have no idea what to do, the version mismatch is too severe
[16:28] <blackflow> cappe: you'll need root or sudo for this one
[16:29] <ash_worksi> tabs in chromium*
[16:29] <tomreyn> converge: maybe you have a serial console you could observe the boot on, too? also this https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/
[16:29] <blackflow> version mismatch should allow read-only mounts, so if it doesn't that means the problem is bigger than that.
[16:30] <cappe> holy cow. the last resort fix actually did work
[16:30] <lordcirth__> cappe, using this newer version may solve it: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/zfs
[16:30] <cappe> cappe@platina:~$ sudo zpool import -o readonly=on -f -R /mnt tank
[16:30] <cappe> and SUCCESS
[16:31] <cappe> thanks a lot dude
[16:31] <converge> tomreyn, digital ocean provides a console log screen.. but its not really useful , I can't see any error
[16:31] <cappe> I'll take it from here ;D
[16:31] <blackflow> cappe: excellent. now you can `zfs mount <dataset name>`   and it'll be mounted under /mnt
[16:31] <cappe> dataset name is ? tank?
[16:32] <blackflow> cappe: no, that's the pool name. datasets are tank/something-here
[16:32] <blackflow> (though tank is the top level datset per se)
[16:32] <blackflow> cappe: btw, did you need to force -o readonly=on  or did -f suffice on its own? did you try just -f first?  irrc it should've imported it even without that -o
[16:32] <cappe> is this the dataset?? 6732492245077962029
[16:32] <blackflow> no
[16:33] <blackflow> cappe: `zfs list` will show you available datasets
[16:33] <cappe> still confused :S
[16:33] <blackflow> cappe: zfs is a pooled filesystem. it consists of one or more datasets that are kind of individual filesystems on its own
[16:33] <blackflow> anyway this is not the place to learn zfs, plenty of docus online :)
[16:33] <cappe> I see
[16:34] <cappe> please tell me what the datasetname is in my case
[16:34] <tomreyn> converge: if you can interact with the serial console then try the "if you can get a shell" section of what i pointed you to.
[16:34] <cappe> tank/ROOT ?
[16:34] <blackflow> cappe: if that's trueos, then I suppose you have   tank, tank/ROOT, tank/ROOT/default, and others shown by `zfs list` ?
[16:34] <cappe> yes
[16:34] <blackflow> cappe: `zfs list` shows you datasets, like I said
[16:34] <cappe> still don't get it
[16:35] <cappe> sorry man, this is the last thing I need to know
[16:35] <blackflow> cappe: /boot will probably be under tank/ROOT/default   unless its in its own ds
[16:35] <cappe> could this be it?
[16:35] <cappe> tank/ROOT           950M  91,6G    88K  none
[16:35] <blackflow> cappe: ever worked with LVM?
[16:35] <blackflow> cappe: there's no tank/ROOT/default ?
[16:36] <blackflow> oh guessing game again.... please pastebin the output of `zfs list` ......
[16:36] <cappe> this is the first
[16:36] <cappe> tank                953M  91,6G    88K  none
[16:36] <converge> tomreyn, just something.. EXT4-fs )vda1): re-mounted. Opts: (null), does that means something ?
[16:36] <tuxayo[m]> pragmaticenigma: «but LTS has nothing to do with the flavor of Ubuntu»
[16:36] <tuxayo[m]> That's what I understood but I've had different answers at the beginning of the discussion. (14:53 UTC) So I'm confused.
[16:37] <cappe> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HGR4G5ZKtp/
[16:37] <blackflow> cappe: tank/ROOT/initial is the dataset you want, if you want boot1.efi from /boot
[16:37] <cappe> ok
[16:38] <blackflow> cappe: so  zfs mount tank/ROOT/initial    and you should then have /mnt/boot  available
[16:38] <cappe> cool
[16:38] <tomreyn> converge: just that this file system was remounted, without options. the / file system is usually remounted read-writable (after being mounted read-only initiallY) during boot, so the remount event is expected. no options seems wrong to me, but not critical.
[16:38] <blackflow> cappe: oh wait wait, TrueOS apparently does it differently.... /mnt/mnt/boot/  should be the path
[16:38] <MJCD> Hey whats the easiest way or shortcut key or whatever to boot to a basic "safe mode" style shell
[16:39] <MJCD> I accidentally broke the gui somewhat lol
[16:39] <MJCD> and it's blocking all my input
[16:39] <OerHeks> depends on the machine, shift or esc, see the grub manual
[16:39] <OerHeks> !grub
[16:39] <cappe> sudo zfs mount tank/ROOT/initial /mnt/mnt/boot <-- gives: too man arguments
[16:39] <tomreyn> !recovery | Press escape repeatedly during boot, more details here, MJCD
[16:40] <blackflow> cappe: yes. I told you just `zfs mount tank/ROOT/initial`   nothing else
[16:40] <blackflow> cappe: zfs mount works differently from regular `mount`. each dataset defines its own mountpoint. it's a totally different filesystem paradigm than, say, ext4
[16:41] <tomreyn> converge: my / (also an ext4) has options "errors=remount-ro" in fstab, maybe you want to add this for yours as well.
[16:42] <tomreyn> ->  myhostname kernel: EXT4-fs (dm-2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[16:42] <cappe> alright, I have found the boot directory. how do I do the "file copying"-thing to add this trueos to the grub?
[16:42] <converge> tomreyn, thanks
[16:43] <tomreyn> converge: those should be the fields in your fstab for an ext4 root file system:   /               ext4    errors=remount-ro  0       1
[16:43] <tomreyn> converge: i omitted the first column there
[16:43] <blackflow> cappe: no idea about grub, but BSD's /boot/boot1.efi should be usable for the ESP.
[16:44] <cappe> loading that file will load the system from BIOS?
[16:44] <cappe> the grub didn't find the trueos system btw
[16:44] <blackflow> cappe: no, that's (Free/TrueOS)BSD's EFI loader
[16:44] <cappe> only found windows
[16:45] <tonytheguitar> Hey! New day new problems... I did a new install of Ubuntu today since the one I did previously didn't work for some reason. I did a sudo ubuntu-drivers autinstall and rebooted and now it wont boot.
[16:45] <blackflow> the point of this is so that refind or whatever else you're using there for EFI boot, finds the loader and allows booting it
[16:46] <cappe> I'm aware of that m8
[16:46] <blackflow> cappe: however, that's where my experience with EFI stops, so perhaps someoene else can continue with the gruesome details of shoehorning EFI loaders :)
[16:46] <tomreyn> hi tonytheguitar, which ubuntu version did you install, which variant, which flavour?
[16:46] <cappe> I'll take it from here, cya!
[16:46] <blackflow> good luck
[16:46] <cappe> cheers
[16:47] <tonytheguitar> 18.04.1 LTS just the standard from ubuntu webpage
[16:50] <jlevon> any suggestions for auto-mounting USB keys? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB is all set as should be but no dice
[16:50] <tomreyn> tonytheguitar: so the amd64 desktop with gnome-shell probably. which graphics card do you have there (if you don't know exactly we can probably find out together), which drivers were installed during "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall", and when you say it "won't boot" (now), how far does it get, what does it say / look like?
[16:50] <jlevon> it appears in nautilus just fine
[16:50] <jlevon> and can be mounted by clicking there
[16:51] <tonytheguitar> Its a Nvidia GS something. Can't really check since I can't boot the computer. It stops with a screen ending with Started Hold until boot process finishes up
[16:52] <tomreyn> tonytheguitar: so the boot does get to finish?
[16:52] <tonytheguitar> I don't know if it does. It just stops on that screen.
[16:53] <tonytheguitar> Can't do anything at all on the computer.
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> jlevon: You will need to provide more details of what you are trying to achieve. Ubuntu auto-mounts USB drives to the /media/{username} folder.
[16:53] <jlevon> pragmaticenigma: that's my point, it is not doing so.
[16:53] <tomreyn> !recvoery | tonytheguitar
[16:53] <tomreyn> !recvory | tonytheguitar
[16:54] <tomreyn> meh, sorry
[16:54] <tomreyn> !recovery | tonytheguitar
[16:54] <BluesKaj> tonytheguitar, ,which screen?
[16:54] <tonytheguitar> Do I dare to do a hard reboot of the computer? Last time I did I ended up needing to re install Ubuntu agian.
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> jlevon: The icon showing up in file manager means that it was mounted
[16:55] <tomreyn> tonytheguitar: you should be able to trigger a safer reboot by pressing ctrl-alt-delete
[16:55] <tonytheguitar> Tried that and nothing happens...
[16:55] <lordcirth__> tonytheguitar, a sudden reboot shouldn't brick it unless you are doing an update or something. That being said, backups...
[16:55] <tomreyn> !sysrq | tonytheguitar
[16:55] <usr13> tonytheguitar: You might also try a different kernel, (if you have one).
[16:55] <BluesKaj> black screen?
[16:55] <jlevon> pragmaticenigma: I'm referring to the entry on the left-hand part of nautilus. that does not imply mounted (and easily confirmed with mount etc.)
[16:56] <lordcirth__> Or there's sysreq, yeah
[16:56] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, I was thinking nomodeset
[16:57] <tonytheguitar> This is my first ever install of any Linux system so I have no idea what I'm doing to be honest.
[16:58] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: recovery does nomodeset, too
[16:59] <thaurwylth> There is a classical GPU bug (or feature, because it's mainly about different driver daemons being available) that can be bypassed with nomodeset, as BluesKaj was kind of iterating towards there, and then for future times by changing the driver package through package manager.
[16:59] <tomreyn> tonytheguitar: do you know which computer model you have there?
[17:00] <qwebirc89177> hey i'm having a problem with my CTRL-ALT-F# logins... after I type my username and press enter it acts like i'm spamming the enter key and won't let me type a password, I am not... This is on 18.10, is there a way to fix?
[17:00] <adder> anyone knows what might be going on here? I'm getting "Permission denied @ rb_sysopen - /home/alex/.repos/codelib/github/dpaster/.travis.yml" when I try to `travis encrypt` my password
[17:00] <thaurwylth> I mean, I don't know if it still exists and if it's the one in discussion right now, but every time I hear someone say 'black screen on boot' and 'graphics card,' I assume it's that one.
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc89177: try another keyboard... make sure your keyboard hasn't failed some how
[17:02] <BluesKaj> thaurwylth, seems we have different approaches to the same problem. i think we should try the least complex one first
[17:02] <usr13> tonytheguitar: So, it says "Started Hold until boot process finishes up"?  I haven't seen that one yet.  Is that exactly what it says?
[17:02] <qwebirc89177> lol, ok
[17:03] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: wouldn't that prevent qwebirc89177 from entering their full username either?
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> could be a faulty switch on the enter key
[17:03] <qwebirc89177> and talking here i'd think
[17:03] <usr13> tonytheguitar: I found this:   https://askubuntu.com/questions/760825/cannot-boot-system-due-to-start-job-running-for-hold
[17:04] <usr13> tonytheguitar: See if you can switch to another tty
[17:04] <qwebirc89177> ok new kb, brb
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc89177: Support always starts at the beginning with the simplest and first interaction. With the limited information provided, I started with the keyboard possibly being defective.
[17:05] <qwebirc89177> nope samsies
[17:06] <qwebirc89177> I don't even know how to google this one :'D
[17:06] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: did you change something about login / authentication, pam etc, which could have caused this?
[17:07] <qwebirc89177> not intentionaly, maybe an update? This used to work last time i needed to reinstall my nvidia drivers... like a month ago?
[17:09] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: do you have PPAs installed, packages which lack an update path (are not from a working apt repository)? can you show "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install; apt-cache policy"?
[17:11] <qwebirc89177> https://pastebin.com/nbz4nxYT
[17:11] <qwebirc89177> just for video drivers iirc, i only added that today because i couldn't get into tty to install the ones nvidia provides
[17:12] <qwebirc89177> btw, i tries booting into init 3 from grub, the login prompt behaves the same way
[17:12] <qwebirc89177> treid*
[17:12] <qwebirc89177> tried* lol
[17:13] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: whats your graphics hardware? lspci -knnv | grep -A10 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:14] <qwebirc89177> https://termbin.com/f5ps
[17:14] <qwebirc89177> that's a cool web service
[17:15] <qwebirc89177> I prefer the binaries cause steam seems to require them
[17:16] <vompatti> hi, has anyone else had problems with kernel 4.15.0-45? My installation gives black screen on the root encryption prompt (it did work yesterday but not anymore).
[17:16] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: you installed wayland, right?
[17:17] <qwebirc89177> i want to say i uninstalled wayland
[17:17] <vompatti> I have 4.15.0-44 too, but the same problem exists on that. Earlier kernel I have is 4.15.0-36 but that only boots to tty (after ctrt-atl-f2, can start x tho')
[17:17] <qwebirc89177> iirc it broke everything when i upgraded to 18.10
[17:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: dpkg -l *wayland* | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:18] <ash_worksi> is there like a connection manager that will store ssh passwords for me?
[17:19] <qwebirc89177> https://termbin.com/oul4
[17:19] <qwebirc89177> something's installed
[17:19] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: right, xwayland is installed. but nvidias' proporietary driver doesn't work with it
[17:22] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: or maybe it works partially with it now, but afaik it still causes problems. so i suggest you uninstall anything listed with ii in the latest output you posted, this may fix it.
[17:23] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: make sure xserver-xorg is installed, though. you'll also need to reboot
[17:23] <qwebirc89177> i can give that a try, i'm not using wayland. Could that really effect the login prompt in init 3 though?
[17:23] <qwebirc89177> ii  xserver-xorg               1:7.7+19ubuntu8    amd64              X.Org X server
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> !info keychain | ash_worksi can this help?
[17:24] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: i don't know, it seems like it should not cause the "enter spamming" at login, i agree.
[17:25] <qwebirc89177> do you have any idea what package is responsible for that login prompt?
[17:25] <qwebirc89177> do you happen to know is prolly a better phrasing, sorry
[17:26] <tomreyn> $ dpkg -S $(which login)
[17:26] <tomreyn> login: /bin/login
[17:27] <qwebirc89177> woah, that's cool
[17:27] <qwebirc89177> also removing xwayland removes the ubuntu-desktop metapackage... perhaps i shouldn't
[17:28] <tomreyn> hmm okay, i guess not then
[17:29] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: actually the tty login is handled by systemd-logind nowadays, i guess
[17:29] <qwebirc89177> SYSTEMDDDDDD!!!!! sorry
[17:31] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: on 18.04 /bin/login still runs when you login, so maybe that's not the case or both are involved, not sure.
[17:32] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: also /sbin/agetty provides the tty
[17:33] <breiz> Hi all, I am running Ubuntu Mate 18.10. I have systemd-automounted cifs shares through fstab. However, during shutdown they don't unmount and it basically hangs for 1m30s to timeout. Is there a reason why they don't unmount?
[17:33] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: so this is a pretty new installation, right?
[17:34] <qwebirc89177> this is actually a really old install
[17:34] <zaggynl> breiz: anything visible in logs? what happens if you mount/unmount by hand?
[17:35] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: did you upgrade it from an earlier ubuntu release then?
[17:35] <qwebirc89177> yeah
[17:36] <qwebirc89177> but tty login worked after the upgrade
[17:36] <tomreyn> qwebirc89177: that's a bit of a shot in the dark, but can you run this and post its output? https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[17:37] <qwebirc89177> will try it, thank you!
[17:45] <breiz> zaggynl: I can mount and unmount without problems. It's just when I shutdown or restart is where it hangs and it hangs for all shares. I can't find much in the logs to be honest. They are confusing.
[17:47] <zaggynl> hm
[17:47] <zaggynl> what does the fstab line like look?
[17:47] <zaggynl> look like*
[17:49] <zaggynl> could also be that bug where network goes offline before shares are unmounted
[17:52] <breiz> zaggynl: I've obscured it a bit but all lines are like this basically. Although I have played around with noauto and timeouts etc. Nothing works. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RGpYnHSfw5/
[17:52] <breiz> zaggynl: that bug could probably be it. Is there a workaround?
[17:55] <zaggynl> use a separate script for mounting/umounting I guess'
[17:56] <zaggynl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1577885
[17:56] <zaggynl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/211631
[17:57] <zaggynl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountWindowsSharesPermanently#System_Hangs_on_Shutdown
[17:57] <zaggynl> oh wow that's an old workaround, 9.10 haha
[18:00] <breiz> zaggynl: Yeah I think I might have to. I have run into this bug before but never this badly so it's been around for a long time. Normally I'd ctrl-alt-del but that doesn't help either. It just hangs then. I'll have a look at those pages. Thanks for the help! I appreciate it!
[18:00] <zaggynl> welcome, hope you find a fix
[18:01] <ioria> breiz,  not  sure,  but you can try to set the Wifi connection in use   'available to all' in the NM settings  ; this should give a bit of a delay before shutdown
[18:05] <tomreyn> breiz: maybe x-systemd.after=network-online.target works also in the reverse run (when shutting down).
[18:06] <breiz> ioria: I'll have a look for that thank you!
[18:06] <breiz> tomreyn: That's a good idea. I'll play around with it.
[18:07] <breiz> Thanks all! I am going to reboot and try some of the suggestions.
[18:07] <ioria> breiz, if you don't have NM, you can use the cmd line : nmcli connection modify <ssid> connection.permissions ""
[18:08] <arooni> question; if i take a hard drive with ubuntu 16.04 installed on it (ssd) out of an OLD machine and put it into a new machine (moving from celeron to i5 processor), faster memory, etc, will it boot up ok?  or do i have to do some magic ?
[18:08] <breiz> ioria: Thanks!
[18:08] <ioria> ok
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> arooni: ubuntu adapts itself to a system, buts its reccomended to clean install
[18:09] <OerHeks> arooni, it might work
[18:10] <breiz> quit
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: worked from my old amd3200+ to nuc i7 lol
[18:11] <tomreyn> arooni: on the other hand, you may want to benefit from newer defaults the new system / installer may use, such as uefi booting, newer file system features, full disk encryption etc.
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: Typically you can transplant the harddrive to any new machine you like. Sometimes, the new hardware in the new machine might cause issues that require temporarily adding options to grub to boot far enough that drivers can be updated or reconfigured.
[18:12] <aldcor> so.. what do you think about penguins?
[18:12] <aldcor> oh, sorry. wrong channel
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> aldcor: Welcome to Ubuntu Support. Please keep questions to support related topics.
[18:13] <platzhirsch> How can I change the name of a font under /usr/local/fonts?
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> platzhirsch: you cannot
[18:15] <platzhirsch> what, I cannot?
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> platzhirsch: A font is a special type of program that the computer uses to display the characters on your display devices (screen, printer) ... you can't just change the name of the file to rename the font
[18:17] <lordcirth__> pragmaticenigma, surely there is some way to rename a font? It's not like they are hashes.
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> lordcirth__: only way would be to compile the font from source
[18:18] <OerHeks> fontforge might be able to do that https://askubuntu.com/questions/171090/is-there-any-good-font-editor
[18:20] <breiz> ioria: So it was the WiFi permission. I can't believe it. Thanks!
[18:21] <lineos> What is the best strategy to install another ubuntu next to an existing linux installation? Use the ubuntu installer to take care of partitioning?
[18:21] <lordcirth__> platzhirsch, also, do you really need to rename it?
[18:22] <sjoshi> Hello, How can I purge all the old kernels? using Ubuntu 18.10
[18:22] <sjoshi> →       uname -r
[18:22] <sjoshi> 4.19.6-041906-generic
[18:22] <lordcirth__> lineos, "install next to" should work fine. As always, backups.
[18:22] <lordcirth__> sjoshi, apt autoremove ?
[18:23] <sjoshi> it removed 1 older thats it
[18:23] <sjoshi> lordcirth__: ^^
[18:23] <platzhirsch> lordcirth__: yes, trying to perform a work around
[18:24] <sjoshi> I have these many installed: https://pastebin.com/DmmULYM0
[18:24] <ioria> breiz, glad to hera that: good job
[18:25] <ioria> *hear
[18:25] <malonumas> 1 old  must stay
[18:25] <gvvg> Hi - I have a running ubuntu system - can anyone give me a hint how I would move it to new hardware?
[18:25] <gvvg> it is running ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[18:26] <sjoshi> malonumas: I have huge list, I understand your point for 1 old must stay
[18:26] <sjoshi> I have to remove, to make some space
[18:26] <lordcirth__> sjoshi, apt remove linux-image-4.18.0-{10..14}-generic
[18:26] <lordcirth__> er, no
[18:27] <lordcirth__> apt remove linux-image-4.15*-generic
[18:27] <lordcirth__> as always, double-check :)
[18:28] <sjoshi> lordcirth__: command is not working
[18:29] <lordcirth__> sjoshi, how so?
[18:29] <sjoshi> → sudo apt purge linux-image-4.15*-generic
[18:29] <sjoshi> zsh: no matches found: linux-image-4.15*-generic
[18:29] <Ool> gvvg: if you're going to have new computer, perhaps the better way is to install on the new one a new Ubuntu version, and just compy your data
[18:29] <Ool> copy*
[18:29] <lordcirth__> sjoshi, https://askubuntu.com/questions/335210/apt-get-wildcard-with-zsh
[18:30] <lordcirth__> sjoshi, you need quotes in zsh
[18:30] <lordcirth__> sudo apt purge 'linux-image-4.15*-generic'
[18:30] <lordcirth__> Probably wise in bash too, tbh
[18:30] <gvvg> Ool: any suggestions on how to do a complete copy?
[18:30] <Ool> lordcirth__: to purge old kernel, apt autoremove don't work ?
[18:31] <lordcirth__> Ool, autoremove is very conservative about removing kernels
[18:31] <Ool> gvvg: across network, usbkey or usb drive …
[18:31] <gvvg> Ool: just cp?
[18:31] <sjoshi> lordcirth__: thanks that helped! Recently started using zsh
[18:31] <Ool> or just with the graphical interface
[18:31] <OerHeks> gvvg with about 3 months of support, is it worth the effort?
[18:32] <lordcirth__> gvvg, yeah, I wouldn't try moving 14.04, you'll just need to upgrade later anyway
[18:32] <gvvg> OerHeks: I'm not understanding - sorry
[18:32] <lordcirth__> gvvg, Ubuntu 14.04 goes end-of-life in April
[18:32] <gvvg> so install a whole new version
[18:32] <OerHeks> in 3 months 14.,04 is EOL, dead, out of updates
[18:33] <Ool> sometimes when autoremove don't work, I put linnux-image<tab><tab> and just copy the list with the mouse :)
[18:33] <gvvg> okj getting 18.04
[18:33] <sjoshi> Ool: that i was doing, as there was so many though to ask here :)
[18:35] <Ool> gvvg: depend if you have network, scp or rsync can make it in CLI but in gnome the app file (nautilus) can do it too
[18:36] <OerHeks> !clone
[18:37] <OerHeks> !ackup
[18:37] <OerHeks> !backup
[18:37] <lordcirth__> I'm a fan of Borg, myself, though for a oneshot backup just about anything will do
[18:39] <gvvg> Ool: I have all methods
[18:39] <gvvg> I'll look at alt-clone - is it good to use if source is 14.04 and target is 18.04?
[18:40] <OerHeks> no
[18:40] <gvvg> last week when I asked it was suggested that the source system had a rootkit because the filesystem wasn't reporting properly
[18:40] <OerHeks> between those versions, a lot of things have changed
[18:40] <gvvg> OerHeks: oh oh
[18:40] <cappe> need a hint about removing grub... completely in latest ubuntu
[18:41] <OerHeks> meh, hearsay, 14.04 has no systemd ...
[18:41] <Ool> for packet, just install what you need, don't take the old list, for data, just restore your backup :)
[18:41] <cappe> apt-get remove grub* ? will that do?
[18:41] <gvvg> Should I go from 14.04 and then do an upgrade in place?
[18:41] <OerHeks> and FUD is not really interesting to respond to
[18:42] <gvvg> the 14.04 has a custom package that has licensing and I don't have anyway to get a new install - that's the real issue
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> gvvg: IF the old system potentially has a root kit... the last thing you want to do is copy it's contents to another computer. You won't get rid of the root kit...
[18:42] <cappe> pls need an answer ASAP
[18:42] <Ool> gvvg: imho install a new one is better than making 2 release-upgrade (14.04 => 16.04 => 18.04)
[18:42] <Bashing-om> cappe: in terminal remove all grub, then reinstall grub2 and recreate the config files: ->>
[18:43] <gvvg> Ool: how would I deal with the package licensing issue?
[18:43] <gvvg> pragmaticenigma: righ
[18:43] <ikonia> gvvg: talk to the vendor
[18:43] <varaindemian> In transmission I don't know why I get this error message: Permission denied (/media/oct/Vanessa/MyTorrentFile)
[18:43] <gvvg> ikonia: they don't exist anymore
[18:43] <ikonia> gvvg: find a replacement
[18:43] <varaindemian> I don't have the Vanessa directory
[18:43] <varaindemian> Or at least I don;t have it anymore
[18:43] <ikonia> varaindemian: that's why it's giving you a permissions problem - the directory doesn't exist
[18:44] <varaindemian> ikonia: But I changed the dowloading folder..
[18:44] <gvvg> ikonia: that's not an option - it's very custom and would take too much work - I'll figure it out - thanks
[18:44] <varaindemian> ikonia: How can I remove this error?
[18:44] <cappe> loading freebsd from grub what exactly is (hdX,X) <----- I mean what should X be replaced with, I dont get the "formula"
[18:44] <ikonia> gvvg: you have no option then, wait for your OS to go EOL - accept the security risk and accept no suport
[18:44] <ikonia> varaindemian: doesn't think you've chaned the directory
[18:45] <varaindemian> ikonia: Can you tell me how I canremove the error please?
[18:46] <ikonia> varaindemian: configure transmission to no longer look at that directory
[18:46] <varaindemian> It is already..
[18:46] <ikonia> varaindemian: clearly it's not
[18:46] <cappe> no clue?
[18:46] <ikonia> varaindemian: as it's still trying to write there
[18:46] <ikonia> varaindemian: did you stop the process to terminate in flight jobs and restart ?
[18:46] <ikonia> cappe: no clue about what ?
[18:47] <ikonia> cappe: saying "no clue" isn't really going to help get information
[18:47] <cappe> set root='(hdX,X) <- pls what is X
[18:47] <ikonia> cappe: in what context ?
[18:47] <cappe> grub-customizer
[18:47] <varaindemian> ikonia: nope
[18:47] <varaindemian> ikonia: I didn't
[18:47] <ikonia> cappe: its the disk where grub consideres the root
[18:47] <ikonia> varaindemian: worth doing
[18:47] <ikonia> varaindemian: could be in flight processes
[18:47] <varaindemian> ikonia: I didn't
[18:47] <Bashing-om> cappe: sudo apt-get remove --purge grub grub-pc grub-common ; sudo apt install grub-pc grub-common ; sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda ; sudo update-grub . Make stre of your tatget drive .. here sda.
[18:47] <varaindemian> I don't know how
[18:47] <cappe> yeah. well so if it's the second disc then? it's 1 or what?
[18:47] <ikonia> varaindemian: just reboot the box
[18:48] <ikonia> cappe: 0 = 1, 1 = 2,
[18:48] <ikonia> 0 is the first disk
[18:48] <ikonia> why not just use grub
[18:48] <ikonia> and let the OS manage it for you
[18:48] <cappe> yea
[18:48] <cappe> tell me about it
[18:48] <cappe> os-probe wont find
[18:48] <ikonia> why are you messing with grub
[18:49] <cappe> do I have to tell the whole story again :P
[18:49] <ikonia> no
[18:49] <cappe> so my bsd is on my 2 drive (D: in windows terms)
[18:49] <cappe> and it's on I think 2 partition
[18:49] <ikonia> it's fine - I'm not bothered
[18:50] <cappe> will it be "hd1,1" then?
[18:50] <Bashing-om> cappe: "(hdX,X)" You are looking at the hard drive, partition .. say as in (hd0,msdos1) . 1st hard drive and 1st partition on that drive.
[18:50] <OerHeks> varaindemian, just remove ~/.config/transmission if you removed that vanessa folder, and gone is the error :-D
[18:50] <cappe> Bashing-om: you are overcomplicating this
[18:50] <ikonia> OerHeks: would that not lose torrent status ?
[18:50] <ikonia> OerHeks: as isn't that the default of where state is tracked
[18:51] <cappe> I guess I have to do this the old way, try and error, painful very much so
[18:51] <OerHeks> oh yeah, maybe, i did not know he has other torrents running
[18:51] <Bashing-om> cappe: A lot depends on the partion type on the drive .. msdosX is the leagacy partioning.
[18:52] <cappe> LOL thanks budd
[18:52] <cappe> I'll take it from here :D cya
[19:01] <mjdj> hello. I cannot get 18.04 to stay stable using AMD 2400 G graphics. It locks before the login screen. The only way I can use this PC is with a RX 580 graphic  card installed
[19:01] <OerHeks> oh too new hardware ..
[19:02] <mjdj> its not that new
[19:03] <OerHeks> well, you certainly want 18.10 with kernel 4.18
[19:03] <lordcirth__> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-2400g-may&num=1
[19:04] <varaindemian> ikonia: Thank you!
[19:04] <lordcirth__> mjdj, Kernel 4.17 is apparently the minimum
[19:04] <varaindemian> OerHeks: Thank you!
[19:04] <OerHeks> The Linux 4.15 kernel is an absolute minimum ...but with Linux 4.16 are a number of Raven Ridge fixes
[19:04] <mjdj> yeah but even that looks like it has issues from others. How can I get the graphic driver to just be generic? I can use it fine in the GUI install off USB
[19:05] <lordcirth__> The LiveUSB uses very minimal drivers, I think
[19:05] <mjdj> yeah I was trying to figure out howq to force that
[19:05] <OerHeks> amd takes the openAMD gpu, and on top of that you could install the amdgpu-pro package
[19:06] <lordcirth__> mjdj, are you using AMDGPU?
[19:06] <OerHeks> !amd
[19:06] <mjdj> lordcirth__, not sure. It locks up before I can even get in to a login
[19:07] <lordcirth__> mjdj, even in recovery mode?
[19:08] <mjdj> I cant remember
[19:08] <mjdj> I have been swapping carsds and flashing bios
[19:09] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/18.10/release/
[19:10] <OerHeks> oh that is server only
[19:11] <Sky_Scraper> hi guys,  quick question, I'm writing some automation tools on Kubuntu, in your opinion, is there any possible way to read the content of an application window? I thikn xdotool doesnt have such a feature, for browsers I do anything i want with selenium and scraping pages, but I need to access Spotify window contents, like songs titles etc, and no clue how to do it ;(
[19:11] <tomreyn> !hwe | mjdj
[19:12] <mjdj> another question. Does anyone have good accurate instructions for getting a ubuntu box to log into AD? I have the PC in my AD. I can see the workstation in Active Directory Users and Computers. I can get it to validate a AD user at CLI. But I cannot get it to force logins to the AD at the login screen
[19:12] <tomreyn> mjdj: actually hwe is probably not enough, you also need mesa updates. use padoka's ppa for now.
[19:13] <lordcirth__> Sky_Scraper, you probably want to use a browser plugin like greasemonkey
[19:13] <tomreyn> mjdj: https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa
[19:14] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> hello
[19:14] <lordcirth__> Mr_Poopy_Pants, hi
[19:14] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> ?
[19:15] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> hi
[19:15] <mjdj> the Ubuntu guides seem to be out of date as they talk about lightdm
[19:15] <mjdj> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/sssd-ad.html.en
[19:15] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> I'm in Ubuntu mate
[19:15] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> on a Raspi
[19:15] <lordcirth__> !enter | Mr_Poopy_Pants
[19:16] <mjdj> I just want to add an Ubuntu workstation to a AD setup not add Samba as an AD as most guides suggest
[19:16] <Ool> mjdj: did you see this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto#Setup_Authentication or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[19:16] <Sky_Scraper> sorry for the notice I'm not used to IRC commands
[19:17] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> Okay.  Hey, what is the command used in terminal to change the screen resolution?  I tried raspi-config and then enabling overscan, but that isn't working for the 1080p monitor (TV) that I am using.
[19:17] <Sky_Scraper> lordcirth sorry I wasn't clear, in browsers I automate anything I want with selenium, I need something to access content of desktop application, like reading contents from the desktop application of Spotify, no browser." to lordcirth.
[19:17] <Ool> mjdj: but your page seems newest than the other
[19:17] <Sky_Scraper> Mr_Poop xrandr is the command
[19:17] <Sky_Scraper> if u want 1280x768 do: xrandr -s 1280x768
[19:18] <lordcirth__> Sky_Scraper, btw, if you want someone to be highlighted, you need to say their full username - IRC has tab completion for this
[19:18] <mjdj> Ool, yeah the one you linked is for ubuntu 10. I would assume that is samba 3 and not 2008 level AD
[19:18] <Sky_Scraper> lordcirth THX!
[19:19] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> Sky_Scraper ----- Size 1280x768 not found in available modes LOL wut?
[19:19] <OerHeks> man xrandr
[19:20] <Sky_Scraper> Mr_Poopy_Pants because your screen possible resolutions are different from that one, to know which one u can use, go in uubuntu system settings GUI, search for screen resolution settings, look wich resolutions your system suggests to you, these are the numbers you can use
[19:20] <Sky_Scraper> other numbers will not work
[19:21] <Sky_Scraper> Mr_Poopy_Pants !!!!!!WARNING!!!!!!
[19:21] <OerHeks> resetting the monitor to fabrik defaults might help
[19:21] <Ool> mjdj: perhaps you can install lightdm or adapt to gdm if you have problem  just with the last point
[19:21] <Sky_Scraper> Mr_Poopy_Pants BE CAREFUL TO DONT TRY STUPID RESOLUTIONS LIKE: 200X100, TOO LITTLE
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> Mr_Poopy_Pants: Using the command, "xrandr" without any parameters will return supported resolutions of the screen.
[19:21] <tomreyn> Sky_Scraper: actually xrandr will print them if called without arguments
[19:21] <Sky_Scraper> YOUR SCREEN WILL BECOME SUPER LITTLE AND U ARE SCREWED
[19:22] <Sky_Scraper> tomreyn I feel quite dumb. ahahah thx good to know
[19:22] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> Sky_Scraper --- user@user-pi-ubuntu-mate:~/Desktop$ xrandr
[19:22] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[19:22] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> Screen 0: minimum 1824 x 984, current 1824 x 984, maximum 1824 x 984
[19:22] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> default connected primary 1824x984+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[19:22] <Mr_Poopy_Pants>    1824x984       0.00*
[19:23] <tomreyn> !paste | Mr_Poopy_Pants
[19:23] <mjdj> Ool, yeah I have been pl;aying around with that. It just makes it diificult top hits are referencing 2007 documenttion and projects that no longer exiswt
[19:23] <tomreyn> Sky_Scraper: sorry for making you feel that way ;)
[19:23] <Sky_Scraper> ahah
[19:23] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> yeah LOL
[19:23] <mjdj> thats why I was curious if anyone had accurate documentations/guide
[19:24] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> I can't even detect the monitor
[19:24] <Sky_Scraper> Mr_Poopy_Pants dont know why u get that error, as tomreyn says call "xrandr" command without arguments, read the numbers, and try one of them
[19:26] <tomreyn> looks like Mr_Poopy_Pants only gets to see a single mode line, which is a non standard one, and the one currently set, and one which doesn't work.
[19:27] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> I went into raspi-config, and I'm going to reboot.  It had the proper resolution in there.
[19:27] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> rebooting...............
[19:30] <tomreyn> maybe this isn't ubuntu mate after all, but raspian?
[19:35] <Mr_Poopy_Pants> Sky_Scraper -
[19:35] <leftyfb> raspi-config comes with ubuntu mate
[19:38] <gvvg> I'm installing 14.04 LTS - desktop  - I would like to install a md raid 1 setup but I don't see the option in the installer any suggestions?
[19:38] <Ool> gvvg: don't install 14.04 in 2019
[19:38] <ducasse> gvvg: why are you installing 14.04 now? it goes eol in 2 months
[19:39] <gvvg> I have to the supplier of our software insists that we put back the system exactly how it was - it's a disaster recovery situation
[19:39] <gvvg> is this possible?
[19:39] <ducasse> gvvg: and for mdraid use the server installer
[19:40] <gvvg> ok will do
[19:41] <ducasse> gvvg: but seriously, if you want a 14.04 system in production after april you should sign up for esm
[19:41] <ducasse> !esm
[19:41] <gvvg> is there a way to find out if the original version was server or desktop?
[19:41] <gvvg> ahh thank you
[19:41] <gvvg> will do
[19:41] <ducasse> gvvg: yes, /var/log/installer/media-info
[19:42] <gvvg> cool
[19:43] <ikonia> gvvg: you seem to change the story
[19:43] <ikonia> gvvg: you say you have a supplier of the software that insists you put it back how it was
[19:43] <ikonia> gvvg: yet earlier you told me the supplier of the software no longer existed
[19:44] <gvvg> I've asked someone else that is using the software for help - I am sorry I am not trying to lie - they version of our software is very old and no one supports it
[19:44] <gvvg> so the other "super user" said put everything back like it was
[19:44] <gvvg> does that make sense?
[19:44] <ikonia> not really
[19:44] <ikonia> what is the name of the software and old vendor
[19:44] <tiggster79> not reinstalling 14.04
[19:44] <gvvg> osas
[19:45] <ikonia> gvvg: who was the vendor (I assume that is the software name)
[19:45] <gvvg> I'm a computer tech - I don't know the details
[19:45] <gvvg> osas is the software the customer says
[19:45] <ikonia> you seem to know a lot about it earlier, that it was only supported on 14.04 and that the company no longer existed and that there was no replacement
[19:46] <ikonia> gvvg: what does the software do ?
[19:46] <gvvg> That is what the client told me
[19:46] <gvvg> I asked if I could call them for support
[19:46] <ikonia> what does the software do at a basic level ?
[19:46] <gvvg> they said they don't exists anymore and to try and "repair" the system
[19:46] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Systems_Accounting_Software
[19:46] <gvvg> it's a custom accounting package
[19:47] <ikonia> https://www.osas.com/osas
[19:47] <gvvg> yes saw that - this is the softeare  "Open Systems Releases OSAS 7.0". (December 28, 2005). WebCPA Daily.
[19:47] <ikonia> that one ?
[19:47] <gvvg> I'll ask the customer to call them - I don't have any information so I am trying to solve a technical problem
[19:47] <bldld> !Horla Francois Begaudeau - En guerre [FR].epub
[19:48] <tomreyn> !ot | bldld
[19:48] <TheSilentLink> anyone know when firefox 65 is reaching Ubuntu?
[19:49] <tomreyn> gvvg: for now, just install 14,04, ask $boss to subscribe to !ESM, and once this stuff works again, start drafting a migration plan. this software is long dead, should long have been replaced.
[19:49] <gvvg> good idea
[19:49] <gvvg> I'll ask them - we also have backuedge - once again I don't know the software - I will call them for help
[19:50] <pauljw> TheSilentLink, it's already here.
[19:50] <Sky_Scraper> TheSilentLink I have it in my repo, Lubuntu 16.04
[19:51] <Sky_Scraper> sudo apt-cache madison firefox
[19:51] <Sky_Scraper> output:
[19:51] <Sky_Scraper>    firefox | 65.0+build2-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 Packages
[19:51] <tiggster79> Sky_Scraper: I bet you dont have that version :)
[19:51] <Sky_Scraper>    firefox | 65.0+build2-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security/main amd64 Packages
[19:51] <Sky_Scraper>    firefox | 45.0.2+build1-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[19:51] <tiggster79> oops. thought you were talking about OSAS
[19:51] <Sky_Scraper> tiggster79 what u mean?
[19:52] <qwebirc87835> Hello?
[19:52] <TheSilentLink> pauljw Sky_Scraper: Oops I didn't realise I had it. I guess I missed it when I updated by packages
[19:52] <OerHeks> hello qwebirc <number>
[19:53] <qwebirc87835> I'm having trouble with Installing Ubuntu from the live USB, and was hoping to get some help
[19:53] <tomreyn> !paste | Sky_Scraper
[19:53] <tomreyn> hi qwebirc87835, we'll need some details.
[19:53] <tomreyn> !details | qwebirc87835
[19:54] <pauljw> np TheSilentLink
[19:54] <Sky_Scraper> sorry guys didn't know paste was forbidden I'm quite new to IRC
[19:54] <qwebirc87835> Sure, I'm installing 18.04 (from a USB) onto a 64-bit x86 desktop machine. I get to a menu with "Try Ubuntu without installing" and "Install Ubuntu"
[19:54] <Sky_Scraper> qwebirc87835 what's the issue
[19:55] <qwebirc87835> When I select "Install Ubuntu", the menu becomes unresponsive to input
[19:55] <qwebirc87835> I've tried editing the boot options with "nomodeset", and "acpi=off"
[19:55] <Sky_Scraper> go inside try ubuntu without installing
[19:55] <qwebirc87835> The same behaviour occurs
[19:55] <Sky_Scraper> when u go there
[19:55] <tomreyn> qwebirc87835: which hardware do you have there?
[19:55] <Sky_Scraper> ah ok
[19:56] <qwebirc87835> All I know is that it has an NVidia graphics card, a quad-core i7, and a big 'ole fan on the front
[19:56] <Sky_Scraper> are u shure u have the right iso version for your hardware? 100% ?
[19:56] <compdoc> qwebirc87835, how did you create the usb?
[19:56] <qwebirc87835> I downloaded the file "ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso"
[19:57] <qwebirc87835> I created the USB using dd
[19:57] <tiggster79> qwebirc87835: You could try the mini installer and install in text mode.
[19:57] <qwebirc87835> (on another machine)
[19:57] <Sky_Scraper> qwebirc87835 ok that's the problem
[19:57] <Sky_Scraper> are u creating the usb from ubuntu or windows?
[19:57] <compdoc> qwebirc87835, can you boot another computer with it to test?
[19:57] <Siecje> I delete all of my global node modules including npm. I am trying to get npm back. https://dpaste.de/GdEG
[19:57] <qwebirc87835> I don't understand this: "qwebirc87835: You could try the mini installer and install in text mode."
[19:57] <qwebirc87835> I created the USB from ArchLinux
[19:57] <Sky_Scraper> ok, that's the problem
[19:58] <Sky_Scraper> u have to use unetbootin
[19:58] <qwebirc87835> Oddly enough, I didn't think to try it on another machine
[19:58] <Sky_Scraper> not dd
[19:58] <Sky_Scraper> u miss the bootloader in the usb
[19:58] <compdoc> unetbootin is terrible
[19:58] <OerHeks> uh.,... unbetbootin is depreciated
[19:58] <qwebirc87835> I have a laptop handy that I can try the USB on
[19:58] <ioria> and the system booted ....
[19:59] <compdoc> Ive never used dd for that, but dd is great to create iso files from a cd/dvd, so should be the best way
[19:59] <tomreyn> qwebirc87835: do you still have the iso file, can you check its file size in bytes?
[19:59] <Sky_Scraper> I use unetbootin since 10 years I installed 100 systems with multiple boots windows and linux on same machines every kind of experiment, always did the job, so for me unetbootin is good
[19:59] <qwebirc87835> tomreyn: The file size is 1953349632 (1.9G), and the sha1sum matches the one where I got the file from
[20:00] <Sky_Scraper> qwebirc87835 don't loose time, you miss or your boot loader is messed in the usb, use unetbootin and u will be good to go in 10 minutes
[20:00] <qwebirc87835> Also, thanks for all the quick responses for help
[20:01] <compdoc> unetbootin has always changed the default installer for me. it inserts a menu system. I dont want anything but the actual Ubuntu installer and menus
[20:02] <OerHeks> all other distros name Rufus and Etcher too, so stay away from unetbootin
[20:02] <Sky_Scraper> so I do u do your usb compdoc?
[20:02] <tomreyn> qwebirc87835: okay, good, you already checked cnsistency of the iso download. personally i like to use etcher.io to write iso images to flash media, since it works on many OS and it verifies successful writes.
[20:02] <ioria> qwebirc87835, wireless keyboard and mouse or usb ?
[20:02] <Sky_Scraper> cool tomreyn I'll try that!
[20:03] <qwebirc87835> ioria: No, all wired
[20:03] <qwebirc87835> So I've tried the USB in my laptop, and it boots fine
[20:03] <qwebirc87835> ioria: USB, to clarify
[20:03] <ioria> qwebirc87835, the issue it's not booting.... but progressing
[20:04] <Sky_Scraper> unetbootin is terrible when u have to burn windows images etcher.io seems quite flexible!!
[20:04] <qwebirc87835> ioria: What do you mean by that?
[20:04] <compdoc> i like dd, but dont know the proper command to go iso -> usb. however, you can d/l the Ubuntu zip file instead, and copy the contents to a usb stick and most modern pcs will boot it
[20:05] <Sky_Scraper> qwebirc87835 why u wanna try experiments when u can try burning a new usb with unetbootin or etcher.io, is easier
[20:05] <qwebirc87835> The USB works in my laptop (which has the same architecture), so it seems that there is an issue with the computer (or the options) specifically
[20:05] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  you can start the installer on the first pc ?
[20:05] <lordcirth__> compdoc, you can literally just dd the iso over the USB and it works
[20:06] <Sky_Scraper> ok qwebirc87835>
[20:06] <lordcirth__> bs=1M makes it faster, though
[20:06] <Sky_Scraper> before that, qwebirc87835 are u installing only ubuntu or are you going double boot with something else?
[20:06] <qwebirc87835> ioria: I get to what seems to be a boot menu, but it hangs after I select an option from that list
[20:06] <ioria> ok
[20:06] <qwebirc87835> Only Ubuntu, single partition
[20:07] <Sky_Scraper> qwebirc87835 ok so will be easy
[20:07] <qwebirc87835> (I suspect some kernel options are missing, but I can't think of what might be missing)
[20:07] <JimBuntu> lordcirth__, it requires some experimentation unless you know what size cache you have, bs=4M or even bs=8M can be even faster.
[20:08] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  already tried nomodeset, right ?
[20:08] <qwebirc87835> Yeah
[20:08] <qwebirc87835> I've tried nomodeset, nosplash, --verbose true, acpi=off, in various permutations
[20:08] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  what nvidia card ?
[20:09] <qwebirc87835> I don't know what card it is (because I have nothing to plug it in to to find out :p)
[20:09] <ioria> some sticks ?
[20:09] <qwebirc87835> Must be circa 2013 though
[20:10] <qwebirc87835> What do you mean by "some sticks ?"
[20:10] <lordcirth__> JimBuntu, yeah, but 1M is a big jump up from 512B and works well enough
[20:10] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  try  nouveau.modeset=0
[20:10] <thaurwylth> How long did you wait after the first screen? Although there should be some animation all the time if it's working properly.
[20:10] <qwebirc87835> Alright, will give that a go
[20:11] <weliton> hellow
[20:11] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  after that, do again the usb media
[20:11] <weliton> sou brasieliro
[20:11] <qwebirc87835> thaurwylth:  After the first purple screen, I hit the arrow keys, and the boot menu appears
[20:11] <weliton> :)
[20:11] <tomreyn> qwebirc87835: do you have the latest bios on there? did this system work with a different linux distro before?
[20:11] <tomreyn> !br | weliton
[20:13] <qwebirc87835> tomreyn: I've done a BIOS update recently. The system currently has ArchLinux on there
[20:13] <qwebirc87835> Is there any way I can upload a video to show what is happening in more detail?
[20:14] <teamcoltra> Hey I started moving my /var/www directory from my old server to my new one using "rsync -az /var/www/ user@ip.add.re.ss:/var/www/ &" the whole directory is about 500GB and it has got to 76GB and seemingly stopped. Can I just run "rsync -azu /var/www/ user@ip.add.re.ss:/var/www/ &" to have it pick up where it left off?
[20:14] <Sveta> qwebirc87835: you could upload several photos, http://imgur.com/
[20:14] <teamcoltra> (sorry this is not #rsync but I am using ubuntu and figured someone in here might be able to help me :P )
[20:15] <ioria> qwebirc87835, phone + imgur   i guess
[20:15] <qwebirc87835> Alright, on it
[20:15] <OerHeks> rsync -P
[20:16] <OerHeks> -P     The -P option is equivalent to --partial --progress.   Its  purpose  is to make it much easier to specify these two options for a long transfer that may be interrupted.
[20:17] <teamcoltra> OerHeks, the -P keeps talking about "progress" which in my reading of what "progress" does sounds a lot like a visual representation of how far it's come since I'm detaching and not looking I am not sure it's super relevant. Or am I understanding it wrong?
[20:17] <qwebirc87835> Here's where I get stuck: https://imgur.com/a/6GQK8kH
[20:18] <ioria> qwebirc87835, that's not a video
[20:18] <qwebirc87835> At that screenshot, I've hit return, and the keyboard is no longer responsive
[20:18] <qwebirc87835> Can you upload videos to imgur?
[20:19] <ioria> qwebirc87835, but you can edit the kernl line ....
[20:19] <qwebirc87835> Yes, I can specify kernel options
[20:19] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  so kb is working
[20:19] <qwebirc87835> I edited the kernel options
[20:19] <qwebirc87835> Then selected "Install Ubuntu"
[20:19] <qwebirc87835> Then it became unresponsive
[20:20] <thaurwylth> And there is no pulsating logo or any animation?
[20:20] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  and you did the media with dd on arch ?
[20:20] <qwebirc87835> ioria: Yes, thaurwylth: No
[20:20] <qwebirc87835> I'll try to upload a video
[20:21] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  maybe you unplugged the key too early
[20:21] <qwebirc87835> ioria: I've tested the key on a laptop, where it works
[20:22] <ioria> ok
[20:22] <ainsSeppel> i am having trouble with my laptop battery, on xubuntu 18.04, as soon as my battery drops below 96% the laptop crashes, no matter if ac is plugged in or not. Anyone got any idea?
[20:23] <teward> ainsSeppel: sounds hardware-related, does the system just shut off or...?
[20:23] <ainsSeppel> it literally crashes, as if popped te battery out
[20:24] <pjs> Anyone know off the top of their head how to configure nginx to redirect all requests except if the path begins with a certain location? Ie, /dont-redirect/foo.html but everything that doesn't start with /dont-redirect/ get's a 301? I know how to do the rewrite, etc. But it's redirecting all requests and I can't seem to figure it out
[20:25] <gvvg> I'm trying to delete some old kernels as the root partition is full - apt-get -f install fails with broken pipes - any suggestions - can I delete any kernel headers for old kernels safely?
[20:25] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  try  again   nouveau.modeset=0    and wait ....
[20:25] <tomreyn> pjs: location ^~ /.well-known/acme-challenge
[20:26] <qwebirc87835> ioria: I gave it five minutes
[20:26] <qwebirc87835> Video is uploading, for the avoidance of doubt
[20:26] <ainsSeppel> teward i can run my laptop without battery, no trouble. I can't though if the battery is below 96% charge
[20:26] <pjs> tomreyn: funny, this is for le renewal on a domain that mostly redirects
[20:27] <tomreyn> pjs: correct
[20:27] <OerHeks> ainsSeppel, what laptop exactly? maybe there is knowledge available
[20:27] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  did you assembled yourself that pc ?
[20:27] <ainsSeppel> Thinkpad x22i
[20:27] <ainsSeppel> x220i
[20:27] <ainsSeppel> sorry
[20:27] <OerHeks> TLP installed?
[20:27] <ainsSeppel> yes
[20:27] <qwebirc87835> ioria: No, I did not
[20:27] <pjs> tomreyn: Right, I have the location configs, but the global rewrite is overriding it..
[20:27] <ioria> ok
[20:28] <gvvg> figured it out thanks
[20:28] <pjs> tomreyn: http://dpaste.com/2ZFAK5G <- Current config
[20:29] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  are you booting the usb in efi moe ?
[20:29] <thaurwylth> Gvvg, is it something like this? Or do you have a different solution? http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/remove-old-kernels-ubuntu-16-04/
[20:29] <ainsSeppel> OerHeks if AC is plugged in and i try to recalibrate the battery, the laptop crashes at about 96%
[20:29] <qwebirc87835> ioria: No, I am booting in legacy mode
[20:30] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  may i ask you why ?
[20:30] <qwebirc87835> Because the machine did not boot the USB in UEFI mode
[20:30] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  it should
[20:31] <gvvg> thaurwylth: I moved some files over to another partition and then had enough remove to purge old kernels :)
[20:31] <OerHeks> ainsSeppel, ẁhat do you mean with 'recalibrate battery' ??
[20:31] <OerHeks> just charging or..?
[20:31] <thaurwylth> Gvvg, I see!
[20:31] <ainsSeppel> tlp recalibrate
[20:31] <qwebirc87835> I'm not sure why it didn't, but isn't Ubuntu install-able in Legacy mode?
[20:32] <ioria> qwebirc87835, yes
[20:32] <ainsSeppel> also happens if i simply force discharge or if AC isnt plugged in and i am using the battery
[20:33] <qwebirc87835> Imgur rejected the video, because it is longer than 30 seconds
[20:33] <qwebirc87835> It is 31 seconds :(
[20:33] <kostkon> qwebirc87835, recut
[20:34] <OerHeks> there is a gui, with thinkpad battery options i spot https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/11/install-tlpui-in-ubuntu-or-linux-mint.html
[20:34] <OerHeks> why discharging a battery ..
[20:35] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  try  modprobe.blacklist=nouveau
[20:35] <tomreyn> pjs: here's an example i use, i only edited the fqdn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k6gsqXrhwD/
[20:35] <marcelo-ar> irc.chatzona.org
[20:36] <ainsSeppel> well i had trouble that my laptop crashed with lots of battery capacity left, apparently so i wanted to recalibrated the battery and noticed it crashes even if ac is plugged in so i suspected there msut be something else
[20:36] <tomreyn> !ot | marcelo-ar
[20:36] <ainsSeppel> cause an empty battery shouldnt cause a laptop to crash if its plugged in right?
[20:38] <qwebirc87835> Blacklisting nouveau didn't solve the problem
[20:38] <pjs> tomreyn: thank you! I guess using the rewrite expression changes the behavior.. I'll try it
[20:39] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  what's on that pc atm ?
[20:39] <ainsSeppel> https://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html#recalibrate
[20:39] <tomreyn> pjs: IIRC, the reason i have it like this is because of the order in which nginx handles patterns. i'm basically abusing this ordering to ensure that the acme challenges and requests for anything not an acme challenge but starting with a '.' get handled differently than everything else (which gets just redirected)
[20:40] <qwebirc87835> Okay, now I've changed absolutely nothing, and it crashed before getting to the boot menu saying "Loading Bootlogo..."
[20:41] <qwebirc87835> Imgur rejected my other video
[20:41] <tomreyn> pjs: you could probably do this logically nicer with a more complex RE, but that'd increase the load, too, and i found no better way to do it in a simple way.
[20:41] <OerHeks> ainsSeppel, so, it says leave it with charger on AC, to fill it again to 100% .. it is not an action you do while working further in ubuntu
[20:42] <tomreyn> qwebirc87835: you can try filebin.net - but i'm not sure the video will achieve much.
[20:42] <qwebirc87835> Neither am I
[20:42] <qwebirc87835> Well, thanks for all the help anyway
[20:42] <ainsSeppel> OerHeks it starts to discharge the battery and after about 5 min when it reaches 96% the laptop crashes
[20:42] <tomreyn> qwebirc87835: you could boot into arch and get us some more info on your hardware
[20:43] <qwebirc87835> Sure, I'll do that
[20:44] <arooni> ok team ; i have had ubuntu 16.04 installed; i have put that ssd into a brand new computer;  i then put a ubuntu 18.04 usb bootable usb stick in;  and when i'm going thru the wizard to install ubuntu; it doesnt seem to auto detect my /home directory;  i was hoping to upgrade it
[20:44] <pjs> tomreyn: ah ok.. let me try moving my order around because it's not working as is
[20:44] <arooni> or at least keep my programs/files
[20:44] <arooni> ideas?
[20:44] <ioria> qwebirc87835,  some bios settings ... it's not normal that the efi mode not stating at all
[20:45] <tomreyn> pjs: this is nginx 1.6.2
[20:45] <qwebirc87835> Now the grub on the hard disk doesn't load
[20:46] <qwebirc87835> I think I'm just going to give up for now, and go to bed.
[20:46] <tomreyn> qwebirc87835: :-/ not much luck today. try again another day!
[20:46] <qwebirc87835> Sorry about leaving you hanging
[20:46] <pjs> tomreyn: 1.14.2
[20:46] <qwebirc87835> But thank you all for your help
[20:48] <tomreyn> pjs: "A simple PHP site configuration" at http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/request_processing.html discusses which order nginx processes pattern in
[20:49] <tomreyn> pjs: also here http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_core_module.html#location
[20:49] <tomreyn> and here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5238377/nginx-location-priority
[20:50] <pjs> tomreyn: thank you!
[20:50] <tomreyn> yw
[20:58] <deniz> hi
[21:02] <thaurwylth> What goes into deciding a Ubuntu project name? I noticed that the Budgy and MATE related flavours are not called Bubuntu and Mubuntu. Did this happen randomly or perhaps it was a deliberate decision? Will this continue to be a guideline in the future?
[21:02] <aldcor> I can't resolve this vbox guestaddition problem by myself. I tried multiple articles and youtube videos but nothing works. I just want vbox fullscreen. I am on ubuntu 18.04  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DYP75R6y5N/
[21:06] <ryuo> thaurwylth: originally there were just 3 flavors. those have kept their names. all new flavors use 2 words.
[21:06] <ryuo> thaurwylth: those 3 were: ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu
[21:06] <tomreyn> aldcor: looks like vbox considers the iso file to be locked somehow, not sure. ask in #vbox ?
[21:07] <thaurwylth> Was Lubuntu called Lubuntu because Xubuntu exists?
[21:08] <ryuo> thaurwylth: oh, i forgot about lubuntu... not sure honestly. but the L comes from LXDE/LXQT.
[21:09] <thaurwylth> And, I guess Edubuntu has to be classified as an original one, even though that one actually had a two word name AT FIRST, hehe.
[21:09] <OerHeks> mubuntu would look like mythbuntu, a discontinued mythtv version
[21:09] <OerHeks> edubuntu is also discontinued, as an iso
[21:13] <thaurwylth> There was already some talk about this on ##linux, but let's do another round. Is there still a valid way to adjust swappiness through /etc/sysctl.conf ? Does a system even have a default swappiness these days, it doesn't seem to be recorded on my inaugurally created sysctl.conf at least. All lines are commented out and none of the commented lines has a swappiness parameter.
[21:15] <thaurwylth> Old source: https://askubuntu.com/questions/103915/how-do-i-configure-swappiness    Some words of warning: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/88693/why-is-swappiness-set-to-60-by-default      https://docs.couchbase.com/server/6.0/install/install-swap-space.html
[21:15] <OerHeks> "There was already some talk about this on ##linux, but let's do another round. " ...
[21:15] <lordcirth__> thaurwylth, yes, vm.swappiness still exists. cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[21:15] <OerHeks> grinn, what answer did you get there?
[21:15] <OerHeks> please post it al on a pastebin
[21:18] <lordcirth__> OerHeks, wrong username?
[21:20] <OerHeks> for systemd/18.04 it is sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=10
[21:20] <OerHeks> https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[21:24] <thaurwylth> Hmmm, does that file need to be created if there is a swap partition available? (Anyways, the earlier discussion has a huge amount of other discussions in between and pretty much the only thing of note is that /proc/sys/vm/swappiness was mentioned, but not a way to change its value.)
[21:25] <OerHeks> standard there is a swapfile now, not a seperate partition, but you can
[21:25] <metabsd> Hi, I try to downgrade a nvidia driver. I need help to understand my problem.  http://dpaste.com/3CNGCBG
[21:26] <OerHeks> metabsd, what happens when you use 79 ?
[21:27] <OerHeks> 410.79-0ubuntu1~gpu18.04.1
[21:27] <metabsd> I have to downgrade. It's a cluster I need all the node similar
[21:28] <thaurwylth> Do I need to do something with /etc/fstab to make the swap partition useful?
[21:30] <gps_> any comments on this https://github.com/gps-me/cfm
[21:30] <thaurwylth> ...In the sense that that link has instructions for creating and using a file. But a partition is different from a file.
[21:31] <coconut> Is there any alarm clock for mate desktop?
[21:33] <coconut> something like "xfce4-timer-plugin"
[21:33] <coconut> but for mate
[21:38] <gps_> ??
[21:45] <vegard1992> hey!
[21:45] <vegard1992> having trouble with grub, it wont detect windows 10. can only boot into ubuntu! https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2411847
[21:50] <OerHeks> metabsd, so you used a ppa for that driver?
[21:50] <OerHeks> !ppapurge
[21:55] <OerHeks> vegard1992, how is win10 installed, with UEFI ? and how is ubuntu installed? ubuntu can handle uefi just fine, see the uefi manual
[21:55] <OerHeks> !uefi
[21:56] <vegard1992> OerHeks: i think they are both UEFI, not entirely sure
[21:57] <vegard1992> not sure if i had fast boot disabled in windows either
[21:57] <vegard1992> because apparently that is an issue
[21:57] <vegard1992> in either case, no matter what i do, i cant even get grub to detect windows
[21:59] <OerHeks> i think it never will, disable fastboot, and the other inter stuff in the manual, and start the ubuntu usb from the bootmenu in uefi mode, that should work fine then
[22:00] <vegard1992> 0erheks how do i disable fast boot, i cant access windows atm
[22:00] <vegard1992> i can only get into ubuntu
[22:00] <OerHeks> i don't know, it is a windows thing
[22:07] <lowkeycoat1> ive been using 16,04 installed on a usb stick for some time now.. and now id like copy the system files,programs ect to a hard drive, can i use the dd command or is there something else?
[22:14] <xamithan> you can dd for block or rsync for file
[22:17] <thaurwylth> I once cloned a disk with simply some version of cp -axv and probably some other handles (not sure but pretty sure about a, as per man page it sounds about right). But that was a long time ago. Then you just have to live boot once to be able to create GRUB on the disk.
[22:26] <lowkeycoat1> thats out of my skill set, but a better choice of words than i had, thank you. back to google
[22:26] <Sheilong> I've just installed ubuntu 18.04.1 lts on my laptop. The sound after install was very low, and after installed the updates and rebooted the machine the sound now is gone. It is using snd_hda_intell sound card.
[22:26] <gvvg> I'm running some backup software (backupedge) - it is failing to make recovery media - I'm told that the error message which complains that there are 3 devices in a raid 1 and that LVM and MD are running are linux error messages - to my knowledge I didn't install or configure LVM - I've removed the spare raid 1 hard drive so there should only be 2 devices now - any suggestions to help me make sure that LVM isn't running - I'm not
[22:26] <gvvg> familiar with LVM
[22:38] <weliton> Hellow
[22:38] <weliton> guys
[22:39] <SlidingHorn> weliton: Hi!  Do you have an Ubuntu support question we could help you with?
[22:41] <weliton> Hello, I was wondering if a performance difference between Ubuntu kills 16 to the 18
[22:43] <OerHeks> a performance difference .. please explain?
[22:53] <jilocasin> evening all
[22:54] <jilocasin> Does anyone have any idea *why* the default server iso from the ubuntu website for 18.04.1 LTS is the *cloud* one?
[22:57] <OerHeks> "default" i see the amd64 version, all versions @ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.1/release/
[22:59] <jilocasin> OerHeks: when you go to this page: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server and select the first download button you get a version with cloud this and cloud that.
[22:59] <OerHeks> openstack support and maas and such ?
[22:59] <OerHeks> those are options, in the installer, not default
[22:59] <jilocasin> OerHeks: for example in the /etc/netplan/directory you get 50-cloud-init.yaml
[23:00] <OerHeks> yes, netplan is standard
[23:01] <jilocasin> OerHeks: but according to the documentation, the server install should have 01-netcfg.yaml and the cloud install have 50-cloud-init.yaml
[23:02] <jilocasin> OerHeks:Also, when I cloned the image I had to update the  /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg file in order to change the name, that file *shouldn't* exist on the server version.
[23:02] <AWest> I had my 18.10 Ubuntu desktop internet working with a wireless USB stick for several weeks and now this morning it wont show any wireless options. I thought an update may have broken the wireless driver but it says the driver is still in use. Any ideas?
[23:03] <jilocasin> OerHeks:Finally, that version will neither install, nor start without detecting a network connection.
[23:07]  * jilocasin I guess not.
[23:08] <jilocasin> Anyone know why the Ubuntu devs thought it was a good idea to let subiquity anywhere near an LTS release?
[23:08] <SlidingHorn> jilocasin: ask in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-dev maybe
[23:08] <OerHeks> jilocasin, you might want to reask  in #ubuntu-server too
[23:08] <hggdh> jilocasin: and please keep in mind you can use the old installer as well
[23:09] <vegard1992> i got windows to show up now! :-) but it wont boot
[23:09] <OerHeks> not sure if you should have/usecloud yaml
[23:09] <jilocasin> hggdh: It would have been *nice* if they warned you _before_ you downloaded/installed the default image.
[23:10] <SlidingHorn> AWest: Not sure what your issue could be, myself, but here's a starting point that might be helpful while you wait for an answer: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-find.html
[23:10] <hggdh> jilocasin: it is written there.
[23:10] <xamithan> Good reason to always use the alternate installer
[23:10] <jilocasin> OerHeks: didn't want to.  That's the issue it's *the* default image.
[23:10] <OerHeks> anyone reads the releasenotes of the server ..
[23:10] <hggdh> anyways, let's get back on-topic, please
[23:11] <OerHeks> ahem, you say cloud image, i think it depends on the way to access the page, i get a normal amd64 image
[23:11] <SlidingHorn> AWest: also, you might want to try restarting network-manager   sudo systemctl restart network-manager
[23:12] <jilocasin> OerHeks: goto https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server, select https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/thank-you?version=18.04.1.0&architecture=amd64  get an Iso that installs cloud netplan files and uses cloud.cfg
[23:14] <AWest> SlidingHorn its still not showing any wireless options. Is there a way to get a more detailed report of lsusb? I'm curious if the wireless stick itself has died
[23:15] <OerHeks> oh oke, the iso is good
[23:18] <AWest> "nmcli device" also isnt showing anything but the wired connection and loopback - unnamed
[23:23] <leonardus> what dns does ubuntu use by default?
[23:24] <hggdh> leonardus: whichever one is provided by your ISP and the router's DHCP
[23:29] <Sheilong> I've just installed ubuntu 18.04.1 lts on my laptop. The sound after install was very low, and after installed the updates and rebooted the machine the sound now is gone. It is using snd_hda_intell sound card.
[23:29] <Sheilong> with headphones the sound works very well
[23:32] <xamithan> is it muted in alsamixer ?
[23:38] <Sheilong> not really
[23:41] <srbt> Ubuntu?
[23:42] <SlidingHorn> srbt: this is the Ubuntu support channel.  Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[23:43] <srbt> No, just testing HexChat... Thank you
[23:43] <jilocasin> Anyone know how I can get Ubuntu 18..04.01 server to boot *without* a network connection?
[23:47] <quality> Hello, my ubuntu desktop suddenly cannot run sudo or login via ssh. I checked `journalctl -x -e` and found that there is no pam related record anymore after a certain timesopt. I highly doubt whether something related to dbus got wrong. What can I do now?
[23:48] <quality> Btw, systemctl also got freezed after I type-in my password and then press enter
[23:59] <Sveta> leonardus, was that helpful? do you have issues with dns?