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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers08:00
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didrocksgood morning08:17
oSoMoNsalut didrocks08:24
didrockssalut oSoMoN08:25
jibelSalut didrocks oSoMoN08:28
oSoMoNsalut jibel08:28
Laneymoin09:02
willcookemorning09:03
didrocksmorning UK09:07
seb128good morning desktopers09:09
didrockshey hey09:09
oSoMoNsalut seb12809:11
oSoMoNhey Laney, willcooke09:11
Laneyhi oSoMoN didrocks seb128 willcooke09:16
seb128hey Laney oSoMoN didrocks09:17
seb128how are things?09:17
seb128it's coooold here but sunny, very nice :)09:17
seb128(still -3°C atm)09:17
seb128cyphermox, hey. Is the modemmanager 1.10 update something you plan to look at/have time for, or should we try to find other resources to do it (oem has been waiting on it for a while)09:20
seb128oh, nice finally some activity on bug #180303109:22
ubot5bug 1803031 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "error: cannot find EFI directory." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180303109:23
seb128'Any user installing Ubuntu on UEFI systems and picking manual partitioning. This leads to an installation config that cannot be completed due to the missing partition not being detected until grub-installer runs at the end of the install '09:23
seb128doh!09:23
Laneyyeah chilly here too, but also no sun09:24
oSoMoNsunny and much warmer than in Brussels here, all good :)09:25
* Laney blows the cold air that way09:26
Laneyyou need to cool down09:26
willcookeanyone else seeing an appstream crash on boot?09:44
willcookeon D09:44
willcookeoh, yes, they are.  errors.u.c09:49
Laneynot here (appstreamcli refresh-cache {,--force} works), but feel free to rls it09:49
willcookeI'll see if I can find a reliable reproducer09:50
Laneywhat's the error bucket / bug (ooi)?09:55
willcookeI've just deleted the crash file09:57
willcooke:)09:57
willcookesec09:57
Laneyah never mind09:58
willcookeheh, can't reproduce now09:58
willcookeI will try and reinstall09:58
Laneythere's a link somewhere to get to your errors.u.c reports10:00
Laneyforgot where it is tho10:00
willcookeI'd guess it's this one10:02
willcookehttps://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/4ef5f85498d4bd047bfad4678359b309130c620710:02
willcookebut that could well just be me10:02
willcookeanyhoo, it's gone away now10:02
willcookeif I can make it come back I'll let you know10:02
Laneythx10:03
Laneywashing machine man, brb!!!!10:05
seb128jamesh, weekly summary reminder13:31
cyphermoxseb128: if you can do it, it will obviously go faster14:02
cyphermox(modemmanager)14:03
seb128cyphermox, how long is it likely to take if we don't do it? We don't have people doing nothing to assign to it so if we need to do it we need to find someone/assign/get it scheduled14:04
cyphermoxit's debian, so it's not my work task. I don't know. It happens when I have the free personal time to take care of it.14:04
seb128right, but do you have any guestimate about when that might be?14:05
cyphermoxnone whatsoever14:05
seb128just so we can decide if it's something we might wait on14:05
seb128or if we need to find resources to do the work14:05
seb128sounds like we need to do the work then :)14:05
seb128thx!14:05
seb128cyphermox, also plymouth update? ;)14:05
cyphermoxyeah14:06
seb128that is technically foundations14:06
cyphermoxit is14:06
cyphermoxthat's definitely on my list14:06
seb128good14:06
cyphermoxI should remind you of casper's a11y then :)14:06
seb128maybe we get some flicker free this cycle :)14:06
seb128haha, yeah I know about that one :p14:06
seb128but thx for the reminder!14:06
cyphermoxI doubt it's going to make things flicker free14:06
cyphermoxI mean, that's been the idea since forever14:06
seb128flicker free is there on uefi + skylake + recent kernel14:07
cyphermoxyeah, but not for everything -- that's what I mean14:07
seb128(well, that was the talk from Hans at fosdem this w.e)14:07
seb128right14:07
seb128but that might cover some dell preinstalls14:07
cyphermoxthere's always something that is slightly off and doesn't apply to everyone14:07
seb128so make them happy14:07
cyphermoxonly skylake, or others too? kaby lake?14:07
seb128skylake+14:08
seb128so anything newer14:08
cyphermoxnice.14:08
cyphermoxthen I should be able to see14:08
seb128:)14:08
cyphermoxwell.. my stuff has pretty much been flicker free for a while... but I know it isn't the case for everyone14:08
seb128well, the new flicker free keeps the vendor logo from bios on screen until gdm14:09
seb128because vendor logo to plymouth is a transition14:10
Laneydo we need to change the plymouth theme for that or something?14:17
ahayzen[m]1Laney, for the flicker free boot stuff i think it comes from this commit in plymouth https://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=a7ec3e65ba3db78656883732feb9af7cf7362f77 but there hasn't been a release since, so i would guess it'd be in 0.9.5 if that ever gets tagged14:21
Laneyhi ahayzen[m]114:22
LaneyI was in the talk about that at the weekend14:22
Laneywondering if we need any changes on the ubuntu side14:22
ahayzen[m]1looks like it is a new theme as well, i don't know much i was just interested in the state of it as well so had looked into it recently.14:23
Laneyk, worth finding the fosdem talk video then ;-)14:24
ahayzen[m]1i'll have to check it out :-D14:24
seb128( we wrap up another meeting, desktop one starting in a few min)14:30
seb128Laney, we might have to change the config, need to check14:32
seb128(hold on, 3 more min max)14:33
Laneyright, that's my q14:33
Laneyhmm14:34
Laneysome immediately adjacent meeting?14:34
seb128I'm supposed to co-work with Hans on friday, if that hold I ask him14:34
seb128yeah, we have one in the half an hour before the team one eveyr week14:34
seb128usually we wrap on time :p14:34
Laneymight want to build in a gap14:35
Laneycool about asking hans14:35
seb128yeah, it was not an issue until DST but yeah, we should look at moving that14:36
willcookesorry folks14:36
seb128done!14:36
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2019-02-0514:37
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didrockshey14:37
tselioto/14:37
Trevinho0/14:37
seb128hey :)14:37
oSoMoNo/14:37
jbicha\o14:37
andyrocko/14:37
willcookeRoll call: andyrock, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)14:37
willcookeCould probably skip the roll call in future14:38
kenvandineo/14:38
tjaaltono/14:38
* kenvandine likes the roll call14:38
willcookethen it stays :)14:38
seb128:)14:39
willcookeRight, 18.04.2 is in a couple of days, let's see what the bugs are like....14:39
willcookeBB incoming is clear:  http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:39
willcooke\o/14:39
seb128woot :)14:39
willcookeBB Tracking: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:40
willcookeLooking to see if any of the "in progress" ones are critical for inclusion on the ISO14:41
* Trevinho hopes the sru is approved soon 14:41
seb128gnome-shell ones would have been nice but it's too late for the point release which is due this week14:41
Trevinhoalthough with all verifications could arrive late14:41
willcookeI think as an SRU is ok14:41
seb128it's too risky, the iso goes out this week14:42
willcookevs being on the ISO I mean14:42
willcookeyeah14:42
Laneynothing new is going to get on there14:42
seb128and it doesn't need to be on the image imho14:42
Laneyunless it causes actual fires14:42
willcookein which case we can move on14:42
seb128we have 3 unassigned ones on the list14:42
seb128bug #177281114:42
ubot5bug 1772811 in OEM Priority Project "different behaviors for switch display mode between xenial and bionic" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177281114:42
seb128should be assigned to Trevinho probably, it's an easy patch that needs cherrypicking, we mentioned it previous week14:42
willcookedone14:43
seb128bug #1811225 for tjaalton14:43
ubot5bug 1811225 in mesa (Ubuntu Bionic) "Mesa 18.2.8 stable release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181122514:43
seb128I take bug #181268314:43
ubot5bug 1812683 in rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar (Ubuntu Cosmic) "rhythmbox crashes when trying to play music" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181268314:43
seb128well that one is probably rls-bb-notfixing, I don't think it's important enough14:43
seb128but I deal with it anyway14:44
willcookethx seb12814:44
seb128np!14:44
willcookeCC incoming: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:44
willcookeclear14:44
Trevinhoseb128: there aree follow up fixes with that... so need to be a little careful.14:44
Laneyhow did that rhythmbox thing get nominated?14:44
seb128fossfreedom did nominate it apparently14:44
seb128not a lot we can do to protect from those cases I guess :/14:45
Laneyk, fossfreedom could you please avoid doing that unless you plan to actually upload the SRU (in which case assign it to yourself)?14:45
seb128out of asking nicely people to not do that14:45
seb128thx Laney :)14:45
Laneywe use nominated bugs to track work in progres, the rls-XX-incoming tag is the entry point to that14:45
Laneynot much other than ask nicely :>14:46
Laneynext14:46
willcookeCC tracking: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:46
willcookeAll assigned, except that rbox one which we already talked about14:46
seb128that looks clean (out of that same rb one)14:46
seb128:)14:47
willcookeDD incoming: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:47
willcookeClear14:47
willcookeDD Tracking: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:47
willcookeAll good too.14:48
willcookeSeems there aren't many bugs in DD yet :)14:48
Laneygoing to try to sync glib again soon ;-)14:48
willcookeOn to proposed migrations...14:48
willcookehttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:48
seb128haha14:48
willcookeLaney, :DD14:48
seb128I'm going to add fun with a poppler transition14:48
seb128(& new gstreamer)14:49
kenvandine*fun*14:49
willcookeoy14:49
seb128(& new GNOME now that .90 is out, j_bicha started on that)14:49
seb128sorry, that was probably AOB material14:49
willcookeemacs.. seb128 do I remember that you were going to poke at that one?  (in the proposed-migrations queue)14:49
Laneyafter jbicha uploads gnome-calculator the gtksourceview one can be dealt with14:49
Laneyswapping it main14:49
Laneyemacs needs newing14:49
Laneythat package is coming up a lot lately ;-)14:50
seb128I can handle those archive admin things14:50
seb128yeah14:50
willcookelet's try and sort that in Malta.  See if we have more luck14:50
willcookewhat's up with the gedit one?14:50
willcookeJust waiting on new version of the depends?14:51
Laneynew api version of gtksourceview14:51
willcookeah, kk14:51
Laneythe other dependency of that needs to be moved over, is in progress14:51
willcookeroger roger14:51
willcookeok, then bug wise we're in good shape.  Thanks!14:51
willcookeon to AOB14:52
willcooke#topic AOB14:52
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willcookeISO testing for 18.04.2 - please do some.14:52
willcookejibel will post to the hub, and I'll share it around on social media14:52
willcookeFixes of note include, well, lots of things, but copying the nvidia drivers on to the target14:53
willcookeso that they're available when you first boot14:53
didrocksnice!14:53
willcookeMalta - please add anything you want to meet about (either internal team stuff, or wider reaching) to the doc so that we can make sure it happens14:54
willcookeI think that's all the general notices14:54
willcookeanyone got anything else?14:54
willcooke5...14:54
seb128I'm just going to mention that ff is coming14:54
seb128and GNOME is entering .90 so it's a good time to get onboard with packaging the new serie14:55
seb128I plan to spend some time on that next week at least14:55
* Trevinho has shell side almost ready 14:55
seb128(that was it from me)14:56
tjaaltonnew xserver point-release should arrive within the next few weeks, mesa 19.0 end of month14:56
willcooke👍14:56
tseliotas for Nvidia, the 418 series is going to replace the 410 series in 19.0414:57
willcookenice!  Gamers kiss you14:57
tseliot:)14:57
willcooketseliot, I still need to follow up on that PPA idea.  I will try and do that this week, failing that are you in Malta?14:57
tseliotwillcooke: no, I'm not going, but I'm available for hangouts, or whatever works best14:58
willcooketseliot, oki, thanks!14:58
willcookekk, any more for any more?14:58
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willcookeok thanks all.15:00
willcooke#endmeeting15:00
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TrevinhoThanks!15:00
oSoMoNthanks!15:00
seb128thanks! :)15:00
didrocksthanks!15:02
k_alamHi, good evening desktopers15:48
k_alamtrevinho: Hi, I am not able to send any mail in unity mailing list...is there anything wrong ?15:53
seb128Trevinho, oh, while I'm thinking about it, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/402 ... the fix might be wrong but there is something weird going on anyway, the shell search finds result when nautilus itself doesn't so the issue doesn't come down to "the shell provider is limiting its i/o use"16:21
gitbotGNOME issue (Merge request) 402 in nautilus "Respect recursive-search preference" [Closed]16:21
k_alamseb128: Hi, can you merge few already approved MR ?16:51
Trevinhoseb128: so the shell uses tracker to search the user folder in the deep16:58
Trevinhoseb128: there's no way that the shell could use recoursive search otherwise, if it's disabled16:58
seb128k_alam, hey, yes, it's already on my backlog to look at those16:58
seb128Trevinho, why isn't nautilus doing that as well then?16:59
Trevinhoseb128: we should probably add another config option in nautilus in order to control the shell search preferences in case17:00
seb128Trevinho, I don't understand, why is nautilus not using tracker?17:01
seb128the problem is not the search shell17:01
Trevinhoas otherwise if the user wants to search recusively from nautilus, also it would imply the shell to search always recursively...17:01
seb128it's the other way around here17:01
seb128the shell shows the correct result17:01
seb128so it's doing more querying than nautilus itself17:01
Trevinhoah, ok... And what's the setting for nautilus?17:02
seb128it works in nautilus if you clear and type again the same thing manually...17:02
Trevinhoas if nautilus has the recursive search enabled, it should find result.. both the shell search and the nautilus search should use the same engine, might be weird if the nautilus normal search is badly initialized17:02
seb128I don't remember but i can check later once I'm back on disco, I don't have tracker on bionic so it's different (or maybe not?)17:03
Trevinhoyeah, bionic should be diffeerent, as we use locate instead of tracker, but they idea is the same17:03
seb128trevinho, well to me there is a problem in the way nautilus handle the query when called from the shell overview17:03
Trevinhoah, actually no... Since locate is indexed, so might be enabled17:03
seb128also the upstream report is from a fc29 user17:03
seb128so it's not ubuntu specific17:04
seb128trevinho, you don't reproduce on your machine?17:04
Trevinholet me see17:04
seb128to me when I tried I search for a simple thing in the overview that had matches17:04
seb128e.g "log"17:04
seb128clicked on the "files" icon on left from the result17:04
Trevinhodo you have the issue # handy?17:04
seb128it gave me an empty nautilus view17:04
seb128I clear the query and typed the same keywords and got results17:05
seb128Trevinho, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/85417:05
gitbotGNOME issue 854 in nautilus "nautilus window launched from nautilus search provider does not respect recursive_search preference" [2. Needs Diagnosis, 2. Rfc, Opened]17:05
seb128well see the description17:05
seb128it's fine to say "we don't do recursive by default because the shell provider would crawl disk"17:06
seb128but the bug as described is that the shell does find matches17:06
seb128and the nautilus view doesn't17:06
seb128so it's not the shell reducing what it does17:06
k_alamseb128: Thanks. I already made a small list of those if it helps: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FGbHgSyWMm/17:15
seb128k_alam, thx17:17
seb128k_alam, compiz has been uploaded I think so you can remove that one from the list17:17
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Trevinhoseb128: I've updated the bug, per me is not a bug as per how we discussed things, as we should consider the shell search as something different from nautilus search, even if actually it uses the same code and backend, but user-wise he should not be aware of this difference let's say.17:19
seb128Trevinho, thx, to me the behaviour doesn't make sense, I commented back17:24
seb128Trevinho, also I'm still not on disco but i'm pretty sure the search was configured to be recurse in 'local' and that it would find result if you clear and type again17:25
seb128trevinho, so it's not a config, just that when called from the shell overview it fails to query as it would when keyboard typing the same thing, maybe an init problem17:25
Trevinhoseb128: mh, ok this could be different17:26
Trevinhoin case do also an ubuntu bug so we can track it more17:27
seb128Trevinho, don't worry about it for now, maybe I show you in Malta. That's not a priority but I don't think it should be dismissed on the cover of settings/configs17:27
seb128k17:27
didrockshum, the Shell changed }, to } again :/17:57
didrocksrebasing is a PITA17:57
seb128:(18:10
didrocksenough for today anyway, let's continue this tomorrow18:11
didrocksbye bye!18:12
Trevinhoseb128: can you please approve the disco request for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1772811 (since we track it in bionic, but we need to release a change on disco too first, coming with next upstream). So, just to remember...18:48
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1772811 in OEM Priority Project "different behaviors for switch display mode between xenial and bionic" [Critical,Triaged]18:48
seb128done marco18:56
willcookeI'd forgotten how slow FDE via LVM is19:58
xnoxis your VM set to use unsafe io?19:59
willcookeit's a real machine19:59
willcookeit's the haunted laptop19:59
* willcooke RIMs and reboots20:00
willcookewoot, another ISO test works20:01
willcookeand now the machine is up and running, it feels pretty smooth20:01
willcookethat'll do for tonight20:35
willcookenight all20:35
jbichaandyrock: is there a bug tracking when we can drop this patch: https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-disk-utility/blob/debian/master/debian/patches/hide-snaps.patch ?22:18
seb128jbicha, looks like that was fixed a while ago, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/commit/484104a7 so probably worth trying without the patch to see if those are still ignored correctly22:29
jbichaok22:30

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