[00:00] <kc2bez> I'm sorry wxl, I am afraid I don't follow you. ^
[00:01] <wxl> kc2bez: supposedly it makes 18.04.02 not boot, but adam's suggesting to keep testing while we get the fix in
[00:03] <kc2bez> I don't think I am looking at the same bug. This one was for 18.10 Xfce
[00:04] <wxl> yeah but it's the kernel going into 18.04.2
[00:04] <kc2bez> Ah, I missed that part, sorry.
[00:05] <wxl> see:
[00:05] <wxl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-February/004693.html
[00:05] <wxl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-February/004694.html
[00:05] <wxl> i guess you kind of need to read between the lines
[00:06] <kc2bez> Yup, The picture is painted now.
[00:08] <kc2bez> In unrelated news we received a bit of a low blow in the LXQt forum today.
[00:09] <wxl> oh jeez. got a link? i often just ignore it.....
[00:10] <kc2bez> https://forum.lxqt.org/t/heightwhenhidden/606
[00:10] <wxl> wow, that's just fantastic
[00:11] <wxl> alienate users and distros alike. so nice
[00:11] <kc2bez> Impressive for sure.
[00:12] <wxl> admittedly debian stable doesn't have it, so i guess it sucks, too
[00:13] <wxl> in fact, it's on 11
[00:13] <kc2bez> Ouch
[00:13] <wxl> i could go in and say something like that, but i'm over it
[00:14] <kc2bez> I'd say we could patch it if I knew what was different or when it was changed. He didn't mention that though.
[00:22] <kc2bez> Wait, it does it on the release we are on. Right click on the panel > Configure panel> select autohide > Uncheck visible thin margin for hidden panel
[00:26] <wxl> so there's no problem?
[00:27] <kc2bez> Correct. We are on the latest release and it has the functionality. The difference is you don't need to do it from the config menu.
[00:27] <kc2bez> /s/menu/file
[00:28] <wxl> maybe reply back? *shrug*
[00:28] <kc2bez> You do it form the menu.
[00:28] <kc2bez> Hmm, Have to work myself up for that one.
[00:30] <wxl> just ignore tsujan and reply to the user :)
[00:32] <kc2bez> Yeah, I will send something back.
[00:41] <kc2bez> It's on.
[00:43] <kc2bez> Hopefully it helps someone.
 OMG, that was ... indescriptible?
[02:53] <krytarik> Are you saying that you are lost on words?  Me too right now.
[05:56] <lynorian> It is not like we are that far behind 0.13 was current until how many weeks ago
[05:57] <lynorian> Although at least agaida wasn't failing to be funny
[07:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8250416e87aa: Start startup-disc-creator] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8250416e87aa
[20:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa1bba45e02ff: Add how to luanch startup disk creator] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa1bba45e02ff
[20:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL98dff4523469: Add left and right to move the window] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL98dff4523469
[20:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb10ae639ac4f: Add up/down arrows to htop] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb10ae639ac4f
[20:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL47755540f00e: Add page up /page down select different processes] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL47755540f00e
[20:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8f9380190078: Add home/end to select first/last process] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8f9380190078
[20:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5b0c8791028b: Add labels to all short options as that what they are] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5b0c8791028b
[21:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2c918f8f7ac7: Add how to get out of tree view back to normal] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2c918f8f7ac7
[21:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL056ea969db98: Add how to change/add a keyboard shortcut] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL056ea969db98
[21:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc48b8a448dd9: Fix warning stupid typo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc48b8a448dd9
[21:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL90cb3e12d81a: Add startup-disk-creator to toc] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL90cb3e12d81a
[21:27] <lynorian> I hope I didn't just break weblate
 what did you do now
[21:35] <lynorian> renamed a file because I typoed a file name
[22:02] <lynorian> meeting?
 I'm here.
[22:03] <apt-ghetto> hello
[22:07] <guiverc> it's friday - I'm stunned as didn't realize; I'm here thankfully by chance
[22:09] <kc2bez> wxl @tsimonq2 are you around?
 Here's my update guys: I'm waiting on Simon's commit approval for my latest changes to the Welcome Center since we will try to add css styling first before going button asset crazy. Otherwise I've been working on a Python webscraper for work and have been swamped with that and will most likely be able to continue Welcome Center ty
[22:12] <wxl> oh god the meeting. i've got a lot of balls in the air right now but i'm here
[22:12] <kc2bez> Thanks Sam.
[22:12] <kc2bez> wxl do you want to go real quick or no?
[22:13] <wxl> yeah k
[22:13] <wxl> so i did make a bunch of headway on some bug triage for once
[22:14] <wxl> i think we may have found the symptoms describing the issue with pcmanfm crashing in 18.04 but needs further confirmation before i can push upstream
[22:14] <wxl> still, that's exiciting because that's a real bugaboo
[22:14] <wxl> (random problems)
[22:15] <kc2bez> Nice!
[22:15] <wxl> also i'm sure ya'll noticed 18.04.2 was announced and then taken back because of a kernel issue
[22:15] <guiverc> :)   if I can help test wxl - please let me know
[22:15] <wxl> i still need to get a little more clarity on that but it's been hectic. this weekend i think it will help out a bit
[22:15] <wxl> guiverc: re: 18.04.2 i will once i have it figured out
[22:16] <wxl> we have an old sru that got dropped because we didn't test it.. some signals got crossed.. it's back up and needs testing again
[22:16] <wxl> that's bug 1786602
[22:16] <wxl> if people can test thta that would be great!
[22:18] <guiverc> wxl - will do
[22:18] <wxl> mmmm i think that's it
[22:19] <kc2bez> Thanks wxl, I can try to spin up a test too.
[22:19] <kc2bez> lynorian, do you want to go next?
[22:19] <lynorian> ok
[22:19] <lynorian> I have done a lot more work on the manual
[22:20] <wxl> i'd say it's almost getting boring because that's always what you're doing but it's so fantastic, it never does get boring XD
[22:20] <kc2bez> It is amazing!
[22:20] <lynorian> I did work on pcmanfm-qt prefrences
[22:20] <wxl> i love how i had a support request and i just dropped them a couple manual links and called it a day
[22:21] <lynorian> I also added lximage-qt prefrences and a screenshot
[22:21] <lynorian> a screenshot for pcmanfm-qt directory tree view
[22:22] <lynorian> oh and ipv4 settings on what nm-tray network information
[22:23] <lynorian> the settings for desktop slideshow tab
[22:23] <lynorian> some more things like memory of kcalc
[22:23] <lynorian> a bit more of discover and muon
[22:24] <wxl> wow
[22:24] <lynorian> and some more on qtermianl and that is all since Saturday
[22:25] <lynorian> and qterminal subterminal splitting after someone came in asked questions about terminator so added pcmanfm-qt equivlent features
[22:25] <kc2bez> That is excellent, it really is.
[22:26] <lynorian> that is all for this week but I was taking a needed break during last weeks meeting 
[22:26] <lynorian> yes
 <wxl> you were saying about an easy bug to fix https://phab.lubuntu.me/T155 here. I can get started now. what should I do? You also mentioned about learning packaging.
[22:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Provide complete mimeapps.list: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T155
[22:28] <kc2bez> Many thanks lynorian! wxl you still here?
[22:28] <lynorian> yes I am done though
[22:28] <wxl[m]> Let's talk after the meeting @The_LoudSpeaker
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> Let's talk after the meeting @The_LoudSpeaker], ohh. okay! I will be here only.
 Hi! I'm here
[22:29] <kc2bez> Gotcha @HMollerCl
[22:30] <kc2bez> apt-ghetto do you want to go?
[22:30] <apt-ghetto> ok
[22:30] <apt-ghetto> I had a look at https://phab.lubuntu.me/T178
[22:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Wishlist, Open] Plymouth Logo centering: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T178
[22:30] <apt-ghetto> During the week Jyoti has tested the first version and now he has created an improved version. Tomorrow/Today I will test it and do the packaging.
[22:31] <apt-ghetto> Now, I don't know how to write the changelog, because he did the work. Is there an example?
[22:31] <apt-ghetto> And by the way, he has some problem to verify his email on phab
[22:32] <kc2bez> That would be @tsimonq2 ^
[22:33] <apt-ghetto> That's all from my side
[22:34] <kc2bez> Thanks apt-ghetto, probably check with wxl or tsimonq2 on the changelog thing too
[22:34] <apt-ghetto> Yeah, or write it directly into the task or into the wiki
[22:35] <kc2bez> Yup, off the cuff I guess you would be the author and you would give Jyoti a mention.
[22:36] <kc2bez> Verify with them though.
[22:37] <kc2bez> guiverc I think it is you next.
[22:37] <guiverc> nothing to say, but thanks
[22:37] <kc2bez> It is all good, thanks for being here.
[22:38] <kc2bez> @HMollerCl over to you.
 Ok, I'm on vacation this and next week so won't be able to do much
 However, my ongoing and his status are: ... - software-properties-qt waiting for wxl or @tsimonq2 review
[22:40] <wxl> tsimonq2 said he was going to get to that
 -update-notifier I need to test debconf, haven't found how to force one, if someone know how please tell me
 Libreoffice  filepicker
[22:41] <apt-ghetto> Isn't changing a config file something that requires an answer of the user?
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Isn't changing a config file something that requires an answer of t …], That could be, but I don't know which/how
 I've only seen debconf on virtualbox update
 On libreoffice https://phab.lubuntu.me/T179
[22:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] libreoffice-kde5 doesn't add file extensions automatically: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T179
[22:45] <wxl> also apt-ghetto here's the info about patch guidelines https://dep-team.pages.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[22:45] <apt-ghetto> thanks
 Lo 6.2 support an experimental qt5 vcl,  it is buggy. Kde5 vcl doesn't add file extension,  our best shot now is to use gtk3 vcl
 I want to change default icons to papirus (not dark) we had a lot of complains because of icon poorly showing in taskbar, that would change it. Not sure which branch to use.
 And I have some ideas regarding nm-tray I would like to discuss
 That would be from my side
 Sorry but I'm on my cellphone, not so nice to write into it
[22:49] <kc2bez> Thanks HMollerCl, understand the phone bit, that can be painful.
[22:50] <kc2bez> I guess that leaves me, unless there is something/someone else.
[22:52] <kc2bez> I submitted a fix for bug 1813687
[22:53] <kc2bez> apt-ghetto did a pull request and cleaned up the code so going forward it should be easier to patch.
[22:53] <kc2bez> We just need to make sure we patch it!
[22:53] <wxl> and that will have been your first official commit to the ubuntu repos
[22:53] <wxl> so congrats kc2bez !
[22:54] <kc2bez> Thanks! I had some help.
[22:54] <kc2bez> so thank you too.
[22:54] <wxl> np
[22:54] <wxl> if i can help you, you can better help us!
[22:55] <wxl> oh we need to bug @tsimonq2 to do the no-change rebuild on pcmanfm-qt
[22:55] <kc2bez> I can comment on the task.
[22:56] <wxl> i'll do it
[22:56] <wxl> and change the status of the bug
[22:56] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T180
[22:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Fix trusted executables AGAIN: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T180
[22:56] <wxl> BTW if anyone wants training on bug triage, i'd love to have some more people in bug control
[22:56] <wxl> anyone can join the bug squad but you have to kind of prove yourself to be able to change all the things
[22:57] <apt-ghetto> I am a member of the BugSquad
[22:57] <wxl> just fyi kc2bez if you had added (LP: #1813687) it would have automatically changed the status
[22:57] <wxl> (to the changelog entry)
[22:58] <kc2bez> I will remember that for next time, I think I used the link instead of the LP bit.
[22:58] <apt-ghetto> Is there also an automatism for the phab tasks in the changelog?
 Wxl: when I'm back from vacation I can help with 18.04 pcmanfm
 I've had the issue but never found consistency to reproduce
[23:01] <kc2bez> I also worked on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T125 and https://phab.lubuntu.me/T165 which resolves bug 1801210
[23:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] The return of Desktop icons: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T125
[23:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] use ascending sort order in pcmanfm-qt: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T165
[23:03] <kc2bez> I tested https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170 and I think that can be closed. The new LXQt release should have fixed that.
[23:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] properly launch desktop entries in terminal: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170
[23:04] <kc2bez> I created https://phab.lubuntu.me/T181 
[23:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Test LXQt 0.14.0 for bugs: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T181
[23:04] <kc2bez> Test all the things!
[23:04] <wxl> apt-ghetto: tell me what you mean about automatism?
[23:04] <apt-ghetto> Like LP: #11111
[23:05] <apt-ghetto> That it is linked to the bug or task
[23:09] <kc2bez> wxl correct me if I am wrong but it should be able to do both if done right apt-ghetto.
[23:11] <apt-ghetto> Is it enough to write T180?
[23:11] <wxl> oh
[23:11] <wxl> i get it
[23:11] <wxl> to automatically closed phab
[23:11] <wxl> oh we could probably make something
[23:11] <wxl> question is do you mean in IRC or in the changelogs?
[23:12] <apt-ghetto> I like to have a link to all commits, that are related to a task
[23:13] <apt-ghetto> So if I look at some issue, then I can directly go to the commit and look at the changes
[23:14] <wxl> we need to be a little more precise with our language to avoid ambiguity here
[23:14] <wxl> when you say "some issue," do you mean a launchpad bug?
[23:14] <apt-ghetto> no, I mean a phab task
[23:14] <wxl> ah
[23:14] <wxl> so let's look at https://phab.lubuntu.me/T165
[23:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] use ascending sort order in pcmanfm-qt: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T165
[23:15] <wxl> you'll notice that https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS0f8876a4ddc3415b9378aebf18e228107b9e22b6 is automatically linked
[23:16] <wxl> and if you care, it's also linked to the differential revision if you care to see what was involved in producing the final commit https://phab.lubuntu.me/D55
[23:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Summary: Set folder view sort ascending (LP: #11801210) T165. Set desktop shortcuts for home, computer, trash, network as default T125.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D55
[23:16] <apt-ghetto> Yes, but for example T159 doesn't have a link
[23:17] <apt-ghetto> But there is Differential D44
[23:17] <wxl> well no one mentioned it
[23:17] <wxl> you'll see that in those commits/revisions, T165 is mentioned
[23:17] <wxl> that's the connection
[23:17] <apt-ghetto> And that is because I didn't know to mention it in the commit message
[23:17] <wxl> even still, it doesn't automatically close them, but we could probably make something
[23:18] <wxl> ok, i'll add something to the packaging instructions
[23:18] <wxl> also mentioning the LP: # format
[23:18] <apt-ghetto> Closing should be done by a human
[23:18] <apt-ghetto> someone who has tested it
[23:18] <wxl> well, the LP: # format fix release/commits things
[23:18] <wxl> by the time we get to release/commits, it should have already been tested ideally
[23:19] <apt-ghetto> But some status changes would be nice, kind of: Open, In progress, Resolved, Verified etc
[23:19] <wxl> maybe we should open a task to discuss this? this might be a nice extra project e.g. for someone interested in python
[23:19] <apt-ghetto> Isn't Phabricator written in PHP?
[23:20] <wxl> sure
[23:20] <wxl> but no one wants to use php
[23:20] <wxl> like, no one
[23:20] <apt-ghetto> Yes, and I know why
[23:21] <wxl> XD
[23:21] <wxl> anywho, feel free to make a task. i like the idea
[23:21] <wxl> i just think we might need to hash it out a bit more
[23:22] <kc2bez> As far as testing things go, if someone else could check https://forum.lxqt.org/t/heightwhenhidden/606/7 to give another set of eyes on it. It worked for me as you can see in my comment above that.
[23:22] <kc2bez> That is all I have for this week.
[23:23] <wxl> thanks dan
[23:23] <wxl> so unless tsimonq2 wants to pop his head out of his dark, dark hole i think it's time to call it
[23:24] <kc2bez> Thanks wxl for all your help.
[23:24] <apt-ghetto> Can you recommend any launchpad site to start with bug triaging? Where you need some help?
[23:24] <wxl> ah ok
[23:24] <wxl> so couple things
[23:24] <wxl> actually maybe one. one sec
[23:25] <wxl> need to double check my work
[23:25] <wxl> yes good
[23:25] <wxl> it's all here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
[23:26] <wxl> the first part discusses how/why to create bug reports and which applications are appropriate to which task (which is important as many bugs need to be better assigned)
[23:27] <apt-ghetto> I saw it. But I am looking for an overview page of all lubuntu-specific bugs on launchpad
[23:27] <wxl> the second part discusses triage, or making bugs better. it links to the bugsquad (which any one can join) and bugcontrol (the one you need to apply to; i can help you with that if need be) teams which are general to ubuntu
[23:27] <apt-ghetto> There are a couple of lubuntu and lxqt and lxde pages
[23:27] <apt-ghetto> and teams
[23:28] <wxl> generally if you look through the bugs of the lubuntu packages team that should get you what you want
[23:29] <wxl> i would also advise https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-packaging/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[23:29] <wxl> oops that was supposed to eb just the link
[23:29] <apt-ghetto> yes, exactly what i was looking for
[23:30] <wxl> i have to double check to make sure everything is correct, but at one time i created an app to make sure that team was subscribed to the entirety of the lubuntu packageset
[23:30] <wxl> i feel like something is missing, though 
[23:32] <wxl> i guess that's something for another day XD
[23:32] <apt-ghetto> I started my meeting yesterday
[23:33] <wxl> hm?
[23:34] <wxl> guiverc_d et al here's another sru that needs verification https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1799855
[23:34] <apt-ghetto> I have another day: it is Friday now
[23:35] <wxl> oh hahahahah
[23:35] <wxl> ok well let's call it
 Hey! Is there something wrong with default apps management?  I downloaded two images now. One jpg and other png. Both of them opened in firefox when I clicked on them. And not in lximage. Also, I couldn't change my default browser. Nothing is shown except Firefox under session settings> default apps> browser.
[23:59] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: yes there's a bug