[07:18] <didrocks> good morning
[07:20] <seb128> lut didrocks & good morning desktopers
[07:27] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:36] <jibel> Salut didrocks and seb128
[07:36] <jibel> ça va?
[07:37] <didrocks> ça va jibel, et toi ?
[07:37] <jibel> bien bien
[07:46] <bigon> are there any reasons why resolveconf support is disabled in networkmanager pkg in ubuntu?
[07:46] <bigon> (bonjour :)
[07:51] <bigon> This is (or was) causing issues when resolveconf pkg is installed
[08:57] <willcooke> o/
[08:58] <Trevinho> morning
[09:00] <willcooke> hi Trevinho, how are you?
[09:00] <willcooke> or more importantly, where are you
[09:04] <Laney> yo
[09:05] <willcooke> morning Laney, how goes?  I thought of you yesterday when I was in a lift.  There was an advert for a "Month by month allotment" book :)
[09:06] <Laney> :D indeed I do have one of those
[09:07] <willcooke> \o/
[09:07] <seb128> hey willcooke trevinho Laney
[09:08] <willcooke> g'mornin' seb128
[09:08] <Laney> https://www.allotment-garden.org/book/vegetable-growing-month-by-month/ that one
[09:09] <willcooke> It was this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Allotment-Month-Grow-Fruit-Vegetables/dp/0241360005/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1549530550&sr=8-2&keywords=allotment+month
[09:09] <Laney> yo seb128
[09:09] <Laney> what's up?
[09:09] <willcooke> only 7.99
[09:09] <seb128> bigon, hey, p_itti turned it off in 2016 in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/1.4.2-2ubuntu4 unsure if the reason still stands though
[09:09] <seb128> "Disable resolvconf support.
[09:09] <seb128>     This is broken with DNS plugins other than "dnsmasq" -- it still writes
[09:09] <seb128>     127.0.1.1 into resolvconf as a nameserver, but this does not exist any more and
[09:09] <seb128>     will also shadow resolved's stub server on 127.0.0.53."
[09:10] <willcooke> seb128, could that be related to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1778946
[09:11] <seb128> willcooke, I guess it 'could' but I don't think it's likely to be related
[09:11] <willcooke> nod
[09:14] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Trevinho, Laney
[09:15] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[09:30] <seb128> jbicha, you are dealing with the e-d-s and gnome-desktop3 build issues I guess?
[09:36] <jibel> jbicha, hi, you updated simple-scan 3.31.90-0ubuntu1 on Disco and it is now crashing on start. Could you have a look?
[09:36] <jibel> unfortunately the crash fails to retrace
[09:37] <jibel> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/b48e52e2aafbdca0b27c2b4ca65d4e8405a6c99f
[09:56] <seb128> jbicha, bug #1815025 also
[09:56] <seb128> "Nautilus 3.31.90 does not start without Tracker."
[09:56] <Trevinho> oh willcooke sorry, didn't see it, was already in mutter lands :)
[09:56] <willcooke> :D
[09:56] <Trevinho> but physically I am in Sicily
[09:57] <Trevinho> I just went closer to Malta in between things :)
[09:57] <bigon> seb128: because a some times ago (2017?) removing resolvconf from the laptop of a coleague fixed dns issues with vpn. I'm asking again because I see somebody complaining on twitter about this
[09:58] <Laney> thx seb128, I was just going to file that :>
[09:58] <Laney> (org.gnome.Nautilus:7838): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: 09:58:20.612: Settings schema 'org.freedesktop.Tracker.Miner.Files' is not installed
[09:59] <Laney> hey didrocks too, sorry got distracted
[09:59] <didrocks> nw!
[10:03] <andyrock> good morning!
[10:05] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[10:06] <andyrock> hey seb128, good! I'm back to London. In the office atm
[10:06] <andyrock> yesterday eurostar decided to move my train one hour before without notifying me :)
[10:07] <didrocks> got that 3 years ago
[10:07] <didrocks> welcome to the team!
[10:08] <didrocks> (was a TGV though)
[10:16] <jbicha> seb128: eds was just launchpad having trouble last night but yes I'm handling that transition
[10:17] <seb128> jbicha, k, I saw that the armhf build was also missing in Debian so I though there might be an issue on that arch
[10:18] <jbicha> the nautilus problem is because people aren't installing recommends so I'll make it a depends :|
[10:20] <Laney> it should be a dependency if the application fails to start without it
[10:20] <jbicha> I agree, I'm just explaining why I didn't see it before uploading
[10:21] <Laney> ok then
[10:21] <Laney> I don't disable recommends, so I wonder why I ended up without it
[10:22] <seb128> you maybe installed the nautilus which added that recommends by some way that doesn't pull recommends in
[10:22] <seb128> ?
[10:22] <seb128> like dpkg -i from local builds when you worked on 3.30
[10:22] <jbicha> specifically it's nautilus D> tracker R> tracker-miner-fs D> tracker-extract so I'll just add have nautilus depend on either tracke-miner-fs or tracker-extract
[10:22] <seb128> or apt isn't installing those in all cases
[10:23] <Laney> dunno
[10:25] <jbicha> I guess we'll  do tracker-miner-fs to make it more likely that all the important tracker parts will be installed
[10:26] <Laney> sudo apt install --fix-policy --install-recommends
[10:26] <Laney> that gets quite a few things here :-o
[10:32] <jbicha> jibel: robert_ancell is upstream for simple scan so maybe ping him? simple-scan runs fine for me here but I don't have a scanner. Does it crash for you?
[10:34] <seb128> there is also a report upstream from someone who tried to build/start the current version on bionic and it fails to start too
[10:36] <jibel> jbicha, yes it crashes
[10:37] <jibel> I'm wondering if it's because some libs are stuck in proposed
[10:38] <jbicha> I don't think I have proposed libs installed here really
[10:39] <jibel> it doesn't crash if a scanner is not attached
[10:40] <seb128> jibel, can you get a backtrace?
[10:40] <jbicha> 🤣
[10:40] <jibel> seb128, no, it fails to retrace
[10:40] <seb128> jibel, use gdb luke
[10:41] <jibel> saying I've out of date libs but the system is fully up to date
[10:45] <jbicha> I've never heard of --fix-policy, is that even documented?
[10:46] <Laney> dunno how I know it
[10:47] <Laney> does it work without? maybe it's some ancient thing I think is required but isn't
[10:48] <seb128> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578020
[10:49] <Laney> that d-d-a post is probably where I learned the command
[11:10] <jbicha> btw we have a new strict confinement simple-scan snap in the candidate channel that needs verification
[11:21] <seb128> jbicha, btw the deb hits an invalid read in code that didn't change in ages, it's not impossible that it could be a vala bug
[11:21] <seb128> Robert should have a look I guess
[11:25] <willcooke> I think one of the reasons that simple scan was classic was so that it could pick up firmware
[11:25] <willcooke> but that might have been fixed
[11:36] <jbicha> didrocks: do you want to do your gnome-shell upload for the evolution-data-server transition?
[12:00] <willcooke> I thought my ketle was broken, but luckily it's just the light
[12:00] <willcooke> kettle
[12:01] <Nafallo> willcooke: I think broken light counts, right? ;-)
[12:02] <willcooke> It makes the water hot for tea. That's all that really matters :)
[12:02] <jbicha> seb128: we need a bug subscriber for libnfs LP: #1746598 and I'm wondering whether it's ok to sync gvfs now or if the MIR needs more work first
[12:05] <seb128> jbicha, @subscribe, done
[12:05] <seb128> jbicha, "- It has dozens of tests, but I didn't see any of them be called during build" ... I wonder if that should be resolved before promoting
[12:06] <jbicha> the bug description says we use autopkgtests? so I filed Debian bug 921578
[12:07] <jbicha> there is a patch to skip some tests so maybe it just needs extending but I thought I'd rather have the maintainer decide on that
[12:07] <seb128> ah, right
[12:07] <seb128> but yeah, if the autopkgtest are failing it's not nice
[12:42] <ricotz> oh, the shrinking terminal window bug is back
[12:45] <ricotz> jbicha, is there a report for the simple-scan crash?
[12:52] <jbicha> ricotz: does the terminal bug go away if you use   gsettings set org.gnome.Terminal.Legacy.Settings headerbar false  and then restart your terminal?
[12:54] <ricotz> jbicha, can't this on this machine, will try on another one
[12:54] <jbicha> I guess https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/simple-scan/issues/88
[12:54] <gitbot> GNOME issue 88 in simple-scan "[+6,59s] CRITICAL: g_object_ref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed" [Opened]
[12:55] <ricotz> I see, not that useful without a trace
[12:59] <jbicha> jibel: ^
[13:03] <ricotz> nice, a typo (missing ">") in the german translation of simple-scane
[13:03] <ricotz> leading to gtk criticals
[13:15] <ricotz> jbicha, without using the headerbar it doesn't shrink
[13:18] <jbicha> ricotz: could you report that upstream? note that upstream doesn't enable the headerbar by default (I imagine most distros will override that), fmuellner was the one who implemented it
[13:18] <jbicha> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-terminal/issues/44
[13:18] <gitbot> GNOME issue 44 in gnome-terminal "Implement header bar" [Opened]
[13:19] <ricotz> jbicha, I attached a backtrace for the simple-scan crash
[13:23] <didrocks> jbicha: Trevinho is handling the update, it's complex and can break d2d
[13:25] <jbicha> didrocks: I wasn't talking about 3.31.90, I was talking about your unreleased changes in https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell
[13:26] <jbicha> yes I'm aware that he is handling mutter/gnome-shell 3.31
[13:32] <didrocks> jbicha: if you tested with new e-d-s, feel free to upload, the patches changes I made are fine
[13:32] <jbicha> ok, thanks
[13:57] <ricotz> jbicha, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/simple-scan/issues/79
[13:57] <gitbot> GNOME issue 79 in simple-scan "Segfault after scanner detection" [Opened]
[13:58] <jbicha> thank you
[14:45] <Laney> ricotz: that loop is different from just copying the list? where does the copy happen?
[14:46] <Laney> of the device I mean
[14:47] <ricotz> Laney, the copy/ref is handled by vala while the element of the list are owned
[14:48] <Laney> k, I don't find it that obvious when reading that code
[14:48] <Laney> but thanks :>
[14:48] <ricotz> unfortunately there is no syntax to access the copy/ref function to pass it to e.g. copy_deep
[14:49] <Laney> what's up with prepend/reverse?
[14:50] <ricotz> it is faster than append
[14:50] <ricotz> but I guess it doesnt matter for such a short list
[14:54] <Laney> you can keep track of the end of the list to append to
[14:54] <Laney> anyway, micro nitpicking :P
[16:19] <mpt> andyrock, hi, I updated the Livepatch design with the offline behaviour and other details. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates?action=diff&rev2=229&rev1=228>
[16:19] <andyrock> mpt: thx
[17:01] <jbicha> seb128: bug subscriber for gsound LP: #1815095 please, needed for gnome-control-center
[17:02] <jbicha> that dependency addition landed yesterday! but it's a small library so hopefully won't be too much of a problem
[17:07] <jbicha> also, the gnome-remote-desktop and pipewire MIRs need bug subscribers, but those MIRs may take a while
[17:32] <kenvandine> anyone available to help debug a gtk build failure in my build snap?
[17:32] <kenvandine> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/409920345/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_bionic_i386_gnome-3-28-1804-sdk-master_BUILDING.txt.gz
[17:32] <kenvandine> i've disabled parallel builds and had the same results
[17:32] <kenvandine> so not that
[17:33] <kenvandine> if i drop to a shell in multipass after it fails and run make in parts/gtk/build it builds fine
[17:33] <kenvandine> Laney: ^^ maybe you have ideas?
[17:34] <jbicha> kenvandine: can you post your yaml link?
[17:35] <kenvandine> https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-3-28-1804-sdk/blob/master/snapcraft.yaml#L299
[17:42] <Laney> kenvandine: not sure, but signal 11 is a segfaul
[17:43] <Laney> e
[17:43] <Laney> t
[17:43] <Laney> did anything get updated?
[17:43] <kenvandine> it has been failing since early january
[17:43] <kenvandine> not sure what's changed
[17:44] <Laney> can you get a bt?
[17:44] <kenvandine> it only fails inside of snapcraft though
[17:44] <kenvandine> i don't think so
[17:44] <kenvandine> if i drop to a shell and run make it builds :/
[17:44] <kenvandine> only fails in the snapcraft build
[17:45] <Laney> maybe install systemd-coredump or something and see if coredumpctl gets it?
[17:45] <kenvandine> a royal pita to debug
[17:45] <kenvandine> ok, i'll add that as a build package
[17:45] <Laney> dunno if that'll work
[17:46] <kenvandine> i can't think of any other way to get it in there
[17:56] <seb128> jbicha, k for gsound
[17:57] <seb128> jbicha, let me think about the pipewire one, I don't think we know much about that component and on if we want to maintain it, though I guess we will have to at some point
[17:59] <jbicha> I understand. I only mentioned it today since I was mentioning the other MIR bugs
[18:01] <seb128> k
[18:01] <seb128> @gsound done
[18:01] <seb128> btw do you know about the boost option from didrocks if that's in, if not maybe ask Robert to rewrite that patch since he did the panel refactoring :)
[18:05] <jbicha> oh, that's not in, it's a very simple sound panel
[18:05] <jbicha> simpler than I expected
[18:07] <jbicha> https://bicha.net/i/gnome-control-center-3-31-90-sound.png
[18:14] <didrocks> especially as there was some design from aday at the time
[18:14] <didrocks> for the boost
[18:14] <didrocks> I don't think we should regress in uploading without it
[19:12] <seb128> jbicha, k, well please don't upload the new version without that patch, get Robert to fix it if needed
[19:15] <jbicha> sure
[19:20] <willcooke> night all.  See you in Malta