[00:02] <Younder> Tried 'Linux from scratch'?
[00:03] <rdh> have i? yes ive built a few times
[00:05] <Younder> That explains initranfs I guess
[00:06] <rdh> Younder: yes but i dont understand why this is being difficult... the reason i use ubuntu is because im lazy, otherwise i'd go back to gentoo
[00:06] <Younder> I am afraid you are on you own, we only have experience with the ubuntu distribution, but good luck
[00:06] <rdh> this is ubuntu
[00:06] <rdh> lol
[00:07] <Younder> rhd, ok, I don't get the problem. Restate it!
[00:08] <rdh> ubuntu 18.04, yesterday i updated my laptop... then rebooted... and now it doesn't load a video driver im guessing because i just goes to a black screen when it should load a disk unlock screen
[00:09] <rdh> Younder: my root drive is encrypted
[00:09] <Younder> rhd: do you know the passphrase?
[00:10] <rdh> of course
[00:10] <Younder> fine nop
[00:10] <Younder> Look I don't know if you are a hacher or something
[00:12] <Younder> https://askubuntu.com/questions/63594/mount-encrypted-volumes-from-command-line
[00:12] <rdh> hahaha
[00:12] <Younder> would that help?
[00:12] <thatlizdude> what could be the cause of a really slow Ubuntu experience on a new workstation laptop?
[00:13] <Younder> a really slow procesor
[00:13] <thatlizdude> i7-8750H
[00:13] <rdh> i have access to the drive... ive already mount it to chroot into it and run update-initramfs
[00:13] <thatlizdude> i don't think it's the processor :)
[00:14] <Younder> thatlizdude, that leaves the disk
[00:14] <thatlizdude> Windows runs perfectly fine tho
[00:16] <thatlizdude> i don't think it's the hardware tbh
[00:16] <rdh> yea this is crazy, i think it is not loading drivers because i can not even ctrl + alt + del
[00:17] <rdh> just freezing.
[00:17] <fleabeard> thatlizdude, define how it's really slow?
[00:34] <rdh> im just gonna have to reinstall
[00:45] <Sysiphus> when I go to my trash it says "could not display contents of 'trash:///'" anyone know whats up with this?
[00:46] <Sysiphus> only just noticed the issue. i dont go to my trash often but probably within the last two weeks and didnt notice this
[00:47] <thatlizdude> well i updated to nvidia-drivers-410 and kernel to 4.20.7 and it gets stuck on the purple booting screen (18.04 LTS), after choosing to boot to Ubuntu
[00:50] <thatlizdude> what could the issue be? i always boot with nomodeset because on first boot it didn't work without it, but now it doesn't boot no matter if i have it set or not
[00:51] <qwebirc33983> hello everyone
[00:53] <qwebirc33983> i was hoping if someone can help me with a question i have
[00:55] <Bashing-om> !ask | qwebirc33983
[00:55] <qwebirc33983> ok great
[00:56] <qwebirc33983> i having a issue with error loading extension
[00:57] <SlidingHorn> qwebirc33983: "all on ONE line and in the channel" please :)
[00:58] <Gerowen> I have tried and tried to get something on this RCA Cambio tablet.  It's got a 32bit EFI, but I can't get any 32 bit discs to load.  Debian is the only one that will actually boot, and it crashes once it gets started.
[01:01] <qwebirc33983> im trying to get themes with enabling the shell extension for the shell user themes and it gives me an error loading extension
[01:01] <qwebirc33983> does anyone have the a similar issue
[01:04] <oerheks> for gnome extentions you would need gnome-tweak-tool iirc, install extentions and logout/login
[01:14] <naryfa> Hello
[01:15] <naryfa> so quiet
[01:19] <naryfa> Herro evelyone
[01:20] <lotuspsychje> welcome naryfa
[01:20] <lotuspsychje> can we help you with something naryfa ?
[01:21] <naryfa> No, I just peeked in to see what's happening. Haven't been here in years.
[01:21] <naryfa> It used to be livelier.
[01:21] <lotuspsychje> naryfa: its depending on timezones, #ubuntu is worldwide
[01:21] <naryfa> I guess this must be it.
[01:29] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | kantoi
[01:30] <kantoi> o.o
[01:30] <naryfa> lol
[01:31] <kantoi> im still figuring out this IRC stuff lol pls forgive
[01:31] <lotuspsychje> kantoi: logout and join back as regular user
[01:31] <Gerowen> kantoi: Don't worry, ubottu is an automated bot, it must have detected that your IRC client was running with root privilegs or something, :p
[01:32] <Gerowen> But what it said is true, don't run anything as root that doesn't have to be ran as root.
[01:33] <kantoi> yeah I probably shouldnt, but kind of lazy to make a regular user too since this is just an ephermeral testing box
[01:35] <lotuspsychje> !sudo | kantoi
[01:35] <lotuspsychje> kantoi: your probably working as root constantly
[01:37] <nativetexan> howdy
[01:37] <lotuspsychje> welcome nativetexan
[01:37] <naryfa> Hi
[01:37] <nativetexan> thank you logithack and naryfa
[01:37] <ryan_> i am new to linux and to ubuntu... i think its great so far.... my issue... all day I have been trying to get the drivers for my wireless adapter.... im lost and stuck to ethernet cable.... any suggestions?
[01:37] <nativetexan> whoops
[01:38] <nativetexan> lotuspsychje
[01:38] <lotuspsychje> ryan_: your wifi chipset please?
[01:38] <ryan_> how do i find that?
[01:39] <nativetexan> i have some chinease bots hitting my website and heard from someone, maybe in here can't remember, about deploying a zbomb?
[01:39] <lotuspsychje> ryan_: pastebin: sudo lshw -C network && lsb_release -a && uname -a
[01:39] <lotuspsychje> nativetexan: this channel is only for ubuntu support issues
[01:39] <nativetexan> ok, guess it wasn't in here
[01:39] <nativetexan> thank you have a good evening
[01:40] <ryan_>  product: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[01:40] <ryan_>        vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
[01:41] <lotuspsychje> ryan_: pastebin the whole output plz
[01:41] <lotuspsychje> !paste | ryan_
[01:42] <ryan_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xCFy5gzYzw/
[01:43] <lotuspsychje> ryan_: your system is not up to date yet, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[01:44] <lotuspsychje> ryan_: and your wifi card shows unclaimed indeed
[01:44] <ryan_> ok doing update now
[01:44] <Sysiphus> is there an important distinction between apt and apt-get?
[01:44] <lotuspsychje> thank you ryan_
[01:45] <lotuspsychje> Sysiphus: it used to be apt-get ...now you can just use apt
[01:46] <Sysiphus> oh okay good to know, I was concerned it was some sort of signifier telling how agressive to be when installing and overwriting files or something
[01:46] <Bashing-om> Sysiphus: See: https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/ ; https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/26q2sm/apt_vs_aptget/ .
[01:47] <guiverc> Sysiphus, apt has some nicer touches (in my opinion), but  there are still (rarely used) things it doesn't have (why apt-get is still around).  apt is fine for 99.9% of our tasks though
[01:47] <oerheks> "apt=most common used command options from apt-get, apt-cache and apt-config"
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> there we go :p
[01:47] <kantoi> !rootirc | kantoi
[01:48] <lotuspsychje> its fine now kantoi
[01:48] <oerheks> kantoi, this is no play channel
[01:48] <kantoi> cool :)
[01:48] <lotuspsychje> kantoi: your ident worked
[01:48] <Sysiphus> thanks for the resources everybody
[01:49] <kantoi> I'm actually quite curious how ubottu knows a particular user is running as root, does it just check for the string 'root' in the ident ?
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> kantoi: you joined with the root ident
[01:50] <kantoi> ah I see
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> kantoi: * kantoi (~root@
[01:50] <naryfa> how do I hide the 'joined' and 'quit' messages here?
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> naryfa: depends on your client, wich irc client do you use?
[01:51] <naryfa> HexChat
[01:51] <ducasse> !quietirc | naryfa
[01:51] <bazhang> right click channel naryfa
[01:51] <oerheks> clikc on channel > settings > hide...
[01:52] <naryfa> sweet, thank you so much.
[01:52] <bazhang> 'hide joins/parts'
[01:52] <bazhang> np
[01:52] <ryan_> lotuspsychje still updating!
[01:53] <lotuspsychje> ryan_: allright, you can reboot after ok
[02:29] <uggiebuggiebuggi> help
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> ask a question first uggiebuggiebuggi
[02:41] <ryan__> ok update complete now what ?
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: pastebin again please: sudo lshw -C network && uname -a
[02:44] <ryan__> https://pastebin.com/aL0CHEBn
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: ok, seems like its not recognized still..
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: do you see a wifi icon please? recognize the ssid's?
 just says no wifi adapter found
[02:46] <ryan__> no wifi anything.
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: can you pastebing your dmesg please?
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> -g
[02:50] <ryan__> https://pastebin.com/VDCyNDa9
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: do you dualboot?
[02:53] <ryan__> no. its a fresh install. only thing on the partition
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> allright tnx
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: you have a wifi switch on your computer somewhere?
[02:55] <ryan__> not that i can see.
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: can you enable or disable wifi on the icon?
[02:56] <conr> is it possible to auto connect to a VPN profile in network manager on startup for 18.04?
[02:56] <ryan__> there kis no wifi icon.. just ethernet network
[02:57] <plongshot>  I have some kind of problem installing latest python / django and using it. I've never messed with either before and not understanding what the errors are and how to fix
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: pastebin: rfkill please
[02:58] <plongshot> I have some output pastebinned but I'm not sure how to interpret
[02:59] <ryan__> https://pastebin.com/JqBpPmfk
[02:59] <naryfa> OK, I'm out. Nice time around. Thanks everyone. Bye.
[03:00] <Gerowen> So after several hours of trying Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, Fedora, the one distro that can actually boot on an RCA Cambio (32bit EFI with a 64bit CPU) is just regular old Debian, :p
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: how about: tail -f /var/log/syslog and disable network and enable again
[03:02] <ryan__> nothing still
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> ryan__: doublecheck if you have this instaled: sudo apt install linux-firmware
[03:10] <novns> hey! I know that sshguard can react to postfix logs in journal, but how to turn it on in bionic?
[03:15] <f3r70rr35f> hello!
[03:15] <f3r70rr35f> need help!!
[03:15] <Bashing-om> !asl | f3r70rr35f
[03:15] <Bashing-om> !ask | f3r70rr35f
[03:15] <novns> scanner for string "lost connection after AUTH"  exists in sshguard sources, but sshguard does not react
[03:18] <E-Man> hiiii
[03:18] <f3r70rr35f> I'm running ubuntu 18.04 and it suddenly stopped recognizing the keyboard, but this only happens when it enters the Desktop environment (I did enter the GRUB menu and was able to use the keyboard). Checking on google I found some solutions aiming to the xorg.conf file which, to my surprise, wasn't there
[03:18] <f3r70rr35f> On the GRUB menu I went to the failsafe mode, but it didn't load
[03:19] <f3r70rr35f> it showed a "the system is running on low graphics mode; your graphics card, input device, etc, could not be detected"
[03:21] <f3r70rr35f> I also tried to go to the ctrl-alt-f1 screen to log and shut down the graphics, but I couldn't log in (not sure why, the credentials work well except for that loggin)
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: your graphics card chipset plz?
[03:22] <f3r70rr35f> $ lspci -vnn | grep VGA
[03:22] <f3r70rr35f> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: system up to date?
[03:23] <f3r70rr35f>  yeah
[03:23] <ARgos250> hi all anyone good at phpmyadmin for ubuntu
[03:23] <ARgos250> getting errors
[03:23] <ARgos250> Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: pastebin: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a plz?
[03:24] <f3r70rr35f> also tried switching from unity to wayland, but wayland didn't even recognized the trackpad
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: youre on unity from an ltsupgrade from xenial?
[03:25] <judax> !patience
[03:26] <f3r70rr35f> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r8mJdtKfxc/
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: that not the bionic kernel mate
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: something went wrong somewhere
[03:27] <f3r70rr35f> I installed the xorg-edgers repo
[03:27] <f3r70rr35f> that was the last thing I tried
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: what says: lsb_release -a plz?
[03:28] <f3r70rr35f> lotuspsychje: No LSB modules are available.
[03:28] <f3r70rr35f> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[03:28] <f3r70rr35f> Description:    Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[03:28] <f3r70rr35f> Release:        18.04
[03:28] <f3r70rr35f> Codename:       bionic
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: try: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please, see if apt gives you errors?
[03:28] <f3r70rr35f> and the system is a fresh install (done about 1 yr ago)
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: that sounds like wrong, as your kernel doesnt match bionics one
[03:29] <f3r70rr35f> lotuspsychje: no errors
[03:29] <f3r70rr35f> logithack: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: pastebin your sources.list please
[03:32] <f3r70rr35f> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gGw3tqtckJ/
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: try to remove the xenial sources, so you keep left the bionic ones, then sudo apt update
[03:34] <f3r70rr35f> ok
[03:35] <f3r70rr35f> lotuspsychje: all the xenial sources are commented ...
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: pastebin: dpkg --list | grep linux-image please
[03:37] <f3r70rr35f> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H633vJCFTf/
[03:37] <Lost_Goat> where is the new spot to make dns changes? it seems everytime i reboot the system the changes i make in resolv.conf get reset
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic | f3r70rr35f
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> this is the kernel you should have f3r70rr35f
[03:41] <f3r70rr35f> so u say is a kernel issue?
[03:41] <Lost_Goat> im running 18.04 lts if that helps
[03:41] <f3r70rr35f> no sure how to solve that anyway ...
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: im saying your on the wrong kernel for bionic, so something happened on your system
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: this can never be happened from a clean install 18.04
[03:43] <Bashing-om> f3r70rr35f: lotuspsychje :: ' dpkg -l linux-generic ' shows what ?
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H633vJCFTf/
[03:44] <f3r70rr35f> Bashing-om: dpkg-query: no packages found matching linux-generic
[03:46] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah .. but "grep linux-image " will not show that "linux-generic". whicj is needed to install the later kernels, no ?
[03:46] <Bashing-om> which*
[03:48] <Bashing-om> f3r70rr35f: You are in good hands with lotuspsychje :) .. I go back into my lurk mode :P
[03:49] <f3r70rr35f> Bashing-om: xD, ty
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> f3r70rr35f: what i like to know is how you got a 16.04.1 kernel when you said you fresh installed 18.04?
[03:50] <f3r70rr35f> lotuspsychje: :\ , not sure ...
[03:50] <f3r70rr35f> I installed the system and now it was brought back to me since the keyboard issue
[03:51] <f3r70rr35f> a `# apt install linux-generic` might solve that?
[03:54] <myself> So, I just installed flickrdownloadr, and the first time I ran it, I saw this in the console: https://pastebin.com/rAdLLudN .... should I assume that's all benign?
[03:55] <Bashing-om> f3r70rr35f: i would expect that installing linux-generic will pull in the latest kernel .
[03:56] <f3r70rr35f> Bashing-om: Imonit
[03:56] <SlidingHorn> myself: not supported here.
[03:56] <f3r70rr35f> rebooting
[03:56] <Lost_Goat> how does one reload systemd-networking without rebooting ?
[03:59] <Lost_Goat> is it possible to save changes to resolv.conf and make them stay permanently
[04:02] <novns> Lost_Goat, systemct restart systemd-networkd
[04:02] <novns> *systemctl
[04:02] <novns> if it is running actually
[04:03] <novns> maybe you are using network manager or something else
[04:04] <Lost_Goat> is there an easy way to tell. Its a 18.04 LTS desktop but ive been modifying the resolv.conf beforehand
[04:05] <myself> SlidingHorn: Can you suggest a better channel to learn about what belongs in my root certificate store and whether I should try to revert those changes?
[04:05] <novns> just run systemctl list your services
[04:08] <Lost_Goat> looks like network-manager is actively running and resolvconf.service is exited
[04:08] <Bashing-om> Lost_Goat: ' cat /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml ' and the "renderer line says what ?
[04:08] <f3r70rr35f> Bashing-om: worked!!!
[04:08] <f3r70rr35f> tytyty
[04:08] <Bashing-om> f3r70rr35f: Great ! All happy now ?
[04:09] <f3r70rr35f> all happy, beer can opened
[04:09] <f3r70rr35f> now to bed
[04:09] <Lost_Goat> Bashing-om, file not found
[04:09] <Bashing-om> f3r70rr35f: :))
[04:09] <f3r70rr35f> guttennaight
[04:11] <MiguelPeru> do we need programs like woeusb since microsoft already creates their own bootable usb windows installer
[04:12] <MiguelPeru> why would I need such programs made for linux
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | MiguelPeru
[04:16] <Lost_Goat> so any ideas ?
[04:17] <Bashing-om> Lost_Goat: Server ? /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml .
[04:17] <Lost_Goat> Bashing-om, no desktop 18.04 LTS upgraded from 16.04
[04:18] <Lost_Goat> cat: /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml: No such file or directory
[04:19] <Bashing-om> Lost_Goat: Ouch .. getting lost here .. what shows ' ls -al /etc/netplan/ ' ?
[04:20] <Lost_Goat> Bashing-om, nothing, could it be that network manager is not configured ?
[04:24] <Bashing-om> Lost_Goat: Well, maybe from 16.04 networking did not get configured under systemd ?
[04:25] <Lost_Goat> Everything was commented out. So i uncommented the lines and added the info that i wanted
[04:28] <Bashing-om> Lost_Goat: Others here may be able to help the better .. but what shows ' systemctl status | grep dhclient ' ?
[04:28] <Lost_Goat>  4862 grep --color=auto dhclient
[04:30] <Bashing-om> Lost_Goat: Well, that is just the return for the grep .. no networking info ... yuk !
[04:33] <cool4> Hi guys? Anyone knows of a good desktop whatsapp client for ubuntu 18.04
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> cool4: telegram, skype
[04:34] <Lost_Goat> Bashing-om: it sounds like time for a fresh install tomorrow then
[04:36] <Bashing-om> Lost_Goat: Just a matter of figuring out why systemd is not handleing networking . But yeah.. maybe quicker just to reinstall .
[04:37] <Lost_Goat> it will be easier to install then figuring out everything, appreciate the effort and advice
[04:39] <swift110> hey all
[04:57] <lol2> anyone knows of a good whatsapp desktop client for Ubuntu 18.04
[04:58] <qingkong> what's this?
[04:59] <genii> qingkong: This is the IRC based support channel for users of the operating system Ubuntu
[04:59] <genii> ..but then they left already
[05:00] <genii> qingkong: This is the IRC based support channel for users of the operating system Ubuntu
[05:12] <brandonkal> Anyone familiar with how to debug ssl issues? wget can't get local issuer certificates
[07:54] <dominix> hi everyone
[07:54] <dominix> I use ubuntu Mate desktop
[07:54] <ducasse> dominix: ok, how can we help you?
[07:55] <dominix> I am looking for a widget or any tool that can alert me whenever an IP stop to ping
[07:55] <dominix> something simple
[07:56] <dominix> just one IP nee to be pinged, and an alert must flag as soon as this IP stop the ping
[07:56] <dominix> like a notification
[07:57] <ducasse> i don't know of a tool, but you should be able to whip that up in a bash script with just a few lines
[07:57] <dominix>  would like a desktop tool, I can do it with cli ... but cli is not enought visual
[07:57] <ducasse> call notify-send when it stops responding
[07:57] <ducasse> that would give you a gui notification
[07:58] <dominix> ok
[07:58] <dominix> yes, that sounds easy with  notify-send
[07:58] <dominix> thanks ducasse
[07:59] <Fleuv> Anyone can recommend me a channel for SSL related questions?
[08:02] <ducasse> Fleuv: maybe ##openssl or ##security?
[08:02] <Fleuv> Thanks ducasse
[08:02] <ducasse> maybe even ##networking
[08:04] <ducasse> dominix: np. remember to add logic so it only sends one notification, or you'll get tons of them if the host is unreachable for some time :)
[08:04] <dominix> yes no pb
[08:05] <sathya> hi
[08:05] <sathya> new here
[08:05] <ducasse> welcome sathya - how can we help?
[08:06] <sathya> just found this app from ind.. what is this all about ducasse
[08:07] <ducasse> sathya: this is the irc channel for ubuntu support
[08:07] <ducasse> you can come here to get help with any issues you have
[08:08] <sathya> thats great , thank you ducasse
[08:08] <roracle> hey guys, little trouble: i need to find out what format video files are converted to in DeVeDe but can't seem to find anything about it.  The problem is this: when i try to convert video on my laptop, my computer shuts down every single time. So I'm converting on my other computer and moving files back to laptop to finish DVD authoring, but I need the files to already be the right video format, because after finishing, DeVeDe does t
[08:08] <ducasse> sathya: you're welcome
[08:11] <ducasse> roracle: because DeVeDe doesn't ...?
[08:11] <roracle> ducasse: what do you mean? all i'm trying to do is get the videos in the proper format so it doesn't have to convert the videos in the end, as it just overheats and shuts down the system
[08:20] <ducasse> roracle: i just wondered if there was an end to that sentence missing
[08:21] <keiserr> hi, I just realized that ubuntu's home directory encryption no longer works, i mean, this should have been written in big lines when giving the upgrade for 18.04, but even then, is there an easy to use homed directory encryption anymore? There are cases where one can use different users depending on which roles they are using. What are you people using as alternative to encryptFs? Full disk encryption is not an option if i can't trust each the
[08:21] <keiserr> different hat i wear depending on which companies i am working for.
[08:21] <roracle> ducasse: oh, the remainder was "because DeVeDe does the convert thing...and shuts down"
[08:22] <EriC^^> keiserr: i think 18.04 has home encryption, why do you say it doesnt?
[08:23] <EriC^^> !info ecryptfs bionic
[08:23] <ducasse> !info ecryptfs-utils bionic
[08:23] <ducasse> keiserr: ^^
[08:24] <ducasse> still there
[08:24] <EriC^^> keiserr: sudo apt-get install ecryptfs-utils cryptsetup
[08:25] <ducasse> cryptsetup is for luks, he won't need that
[08:26] <EriC^^> hmm this guide mentions to install it, https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/04/how-to-encrypt-home-folder-in-ubuntu.html
[08:28] <keiserr> EriC^^, i used to have my home directory encrypted for all my users on my system on 16.04, after upgrading to 18.04, i could sudo su cd/home/rnadomEncryptedUser/ and still be able to access all files there
[08:29] <EriC^^> keiserr: something is wrong then in the way they are layout, maybe the files aren't actually encrypted
[08:29] <EriC^^> keiserr: if you dont login it cant unwrap the passphrase to decrypt the files, so sudo su is worthless
[08:29] <keiserr> i was kinda shocked, i can't leave my laptop for a coffee break anymore. and i had to spend the whole day viewingt all the camera feeds during my past coffee breaks since the upgrade
[08:30] <keiserr> exactly, sudo su, shouldn't have allowed me to be able to access the files anymore.
[08:30] <keiserr> This wasn't the case on 16.04
[08:30] <keiserr> i do remember that during the installation, I was asked for the encryption password for the different users.
[08:31] <EriC^^> aha
[08:32] <EriC^^> keiserr: you could manually setup the encrypted home dir again
[08:32] <keiserr> could it be that the installer than found that encryptfs had some issue and disabled it without asking me? I can understand issues and security flaws, but it just disables it witohut letting me now, i won't be able to react to cope for such things. Anyways this is already done now, If i follow the instructions for ecryptfs-utils cryptsetup, it should be back to normal i guess?
[08:33] <OlofL> Hello is there a mail browser that shows threaded emails - AND includes my sent mail when I was the last one in the conversation? Kind of like how outlook 365 does
[08:34] <EriC^^> keiserr: yeah, i'd copy everything from the home dir to some place, and then recreate the user with home encryption, but make sure everything is copied, as well as maybe files that might be still encrypted, who knows
[08:34] <OlofL> it only includes up the the last RECEIVED email in geary and evolution... dont know if there is a setting to include last sent email?
[08:34] <keiserr> EriC^^, this is a mess now, people could die if i leak the wrong thing.
[08:34] <keiserr> thanks have a nice day.
[08:34] <keiserr> \q
[08:38] <Adara_> hi folk
[08:40] <murthy> Adara_: hi
[08:40] <ducasse> OlofL: it would probably be included in the thread if sent mail was saved in the same folder
[08:49] <pefi> Is there an easy way of checking installed package version under ubuntu/debian? I mean something like fedora "rpm -q tar" producing tar-1.30-6.fc29.x86_64. i'm searching for the last 20 minutes and apt, apt-cache, aptitude and dpkg can do everything you want except simple producing package version My search skills are failing me or the deb system doesn't provide it?
[08:52] <pefi> I need it for a script that has to check a few packages before building some ancient version of spooles - normally autotools would tke case of checking required libraries, but this time I have to do it manually
[08:53] <luke2596> ciao! per me è la prima volta in questa chat, che mi è stata consigliata da un mio amico per risolvere eventuali problemi col sistema operativo!
[08:53] <luke2596> ho un problema con l'audio qualcuno mi riuscirebbe ad aiutare?
[08:55] <EriC^^> !it | luke2596
[08:55] <luke2596> thanks
[08:55] <EriC^^> pefi: apt-cache show <package> should show the version
[08:57] <pefi> EriC^^ thanks, but that shows ton of output. I could filter for Version and hope it's reliable...
[08:58] <EriC^^> pefi: what exactly do you want to see? if the installed version is adequate?
[09:03] <pefi> EriC^^: Yes, the version is enough. I think I might try: apt-cache show tar | grep Version
[09:05] <EriC^^> pefi: nah, do apt-cache policy tar | awk '$1 == "Installed:" {print $2}'
[09:06] <EriC^^> if it's not installed it'll return "none"
[09:06] <pefi> [gone testing]
[09:06] <ducasse> pefi: dpkg -l package | grep ^ii | awk '{print $3}'
[09:10] <pefi> Both works as expected! thanks! Is there an easy way of makeing them return erro rexit  code $? if the package is not installed?
[09:10] <nekoseam> Discord (snap package) doesn't have permission to access files in hidden directories. Any solutions?
[09:10] <pefi> I use this: $PACKAGE_TOOL $package ; if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo "$PACKAGE_TOOL shows $package is not installed. If you're sure you have it please remove it from DEPENDENCIES";  exit 1; fi
[09:10] <pefi> $PACKAGE_TOOL is distro dependent, $package is the currently tested package
[09:11] <pefi> ducasse: that ii is for installed?
[09:11] <ducasse> yep
[09:12] <ducasse> nekoseam: talk to the maintainers of the snap
[09:15] <ducasse> pefi: you might also want to take a look at apt policy, as that will give you the text 'not installed' if it isn't
[09:17] <pefi> Ok, thanks!
[09:18] <geirha> you should use a function in place of $PACKAGE_TOOL.
[09:19] <Pfeiffer> #Ubuntu.. the Only IRC chhannel where people actually chat to each other
[09:20] <nekoseam> Pfeiffer: there's great channels where you can discuss politics such as ##Linux
[09:20] <nekoseam> ;)
[09:21] <Pfeiffer> nekoseam, thanks! I'll head over there  :)
[09:35] <Fleuv> Hey why does my "timedatectl list-timezones" only list "UTC" or how do I add more timezones?
[09:40] <ducasse> Fleuv: is tzdata properly installed?
[09:41] <jonas_> fuy
[09:41] <jonas_> jij
[09:41] <jonas_> jihihih
[09:41] <jonas_> gkyfk
[09:41] <jonas_> lyig
[09:41] <jonas_> uoujkhkkbjkbjkjbjbjkbjkbjk
[09:41] <Guest30877>       
[09:41] <Guest30877> hffyfy
[09:42] <ducasse> Guest30877: ok, enough of that please
[09:42] <Fleuv> ducasse, I just did a fresh install of ubuntu bionic beaver
[09:42] <Fleuv> Shall I ran a dpkg-reconfigure tzdata just to be sure it's working fine?
[09:42] <ducasse> worth a shot
[09:43] <Fleuv> ducasse, aaah it's not installed
[09:43] <ducasse> there you go :)
[09:44] <Fleuv> Thanks :D
[09:44] <ducasse> np
[09:44] <geirha> was that a minimal install?
[09:45] <ducasse> it's a dependency of ubuntu-minimal, so it should have been there
[09:46] <ducasse> Fleuv: you might want to check ubuntu-minimal is installed as well, as there could be other things missing
[09:47] <Fleuv> i don't know actually, it's an image from my server rental company./
[09:47] <Fleuv> Could be customized by them
[09:48] <geirha> mh, based on a cloud image, probably
[10:08] <hsn> that encrypt swap script must be run at each boot?
[10:08] <hsn> encryptfs-setup-swap
[10:14] <chalcedony> good morning :)
[10:15] <chalcedony> my husband is somehow configuring a new ubuntu 16.04. when he looks where there are supposed to be icons of stuff to download .. there is one row of them and not more. What do we need to do?
[10:17] <chalcedony> if i remembered what it's called i could do a search
[10:18] <legend> dock? app drawer?
[10:18] <Meili> chalcedony: or do you mean in the software center?
[10:19] <chalcedony> probably software center Meili :)
[10:19] <chalcedony> so why is it empty?
[10:20] <legend> the editor's picks in software center shows just one row
[10:20] <chalcedony> ah
[10:20] <Meili> Could you try just starting to type? I believe that automatically opens a search box.
[10:21] <legend> or click on a category
[10:21] <chalcedony> my husband has aphasia he goes by pictures
[10:21] <chalcedony> i'll try both, let's see :)
[10:26] <chalcedony> he can't find the time app
[10:26] <chalcedony> and where do you type the words to find?
[10:26] <chalcedony> legend, Meili?
[10:27] <LaRose_Bleu> just open the software center and start typing
[10:27] <chalcedony> there is not like a place to type?
[10:27] <Meili> chalcedony: search box show automatically when you start typing
[10:27] <chalcedony> LaRose_Bleu, thank you
[10:27] <chalcedony> oh ok :)
[10:27] <Meili> (terrible design choice, I know)
[10:29] <LaRose_Bleu> im not sure about your version of the app but there's a tiny magnifying class at the top left of mine, you can click and search there too
[10:29] <LaRose_Bleu> top right*
[10:30] <chalcedony> Meili, LaRose_Bleu it's saying No Applications Found for clo
[10:30] <chalcedony> and cloc
[10:31] <LaRose_Bleu> it might be better to first google what app you want / need specifically then search for it there
[10:31] <chalcedony> hmmmm
[10:31] <chalcedony> i'll try that
[10:31] <chalcedony> ty
[10:31] <LaRose_Bleu> i doubt it will be called "clock" or "time:
[10:32] <LaRose_Bleu> what does he need specifically?
[10:32] <LaRose_Bleu> just a simple clock app?
[10:45] <chalcedony> LaRose_Bleu, he had a big 'watch' analog clock in the bottom right corner of his screen
[10:49] <LaRose_Bleu> it sounds like a widget or screenlet thing
[10:50] <LaRose_Bleu> which is very much outside my area of expertise
[10:50] <guiverc> chalcedony, your description reminds of a KDE widget; the old ubuntu wasn't Kubuntu?
[10:50] <LaRose_Bleu> if you have time and dont mind a little tech adventure you can browse the forums for suggestions or wait till someone more qualified than i to respond
[10:51] <chalcedony> ah
[10:51] <chalcedony> no he didn't have kde but he might have borrowed it
[10:52] <LaRose_Bleu> borrowed a machine with KDE?
[10:52] <chalcedony> no i mean don't some kde things work with ubuntu?
[10:52] <MiguelPeru> is virtualbox a good emulation package
[10:52] <LaRose_Bleu> yes, yes they do
[10:53] <MiguelPeru> ok
[10:53] <LaRose_Bleu> its all the same underneath, it just looks different on the outside
[10:53] <LaRose_Bleu> you can even "change" your normal ubuntu to a kde ubuntu
[10:53] <chalcedony> :)
[10:53] <chalcedony> he uses cairo dock
[10:54] <LaRose_Bleu> MiguelPeru it depends my dude, there's lot of options out there, try them and see which one tickles your pickle
[10:54] <chalcedony> :)
[10:54] <MiguelPeru> a nickel
[10:54] <LaRose_Bleu> chalcedony you can install that from the software center
[10:54] <MiguelPeru> someone told me that joke in highschool
[10:55] <LaRose_Bleu> chalcedony: you can even 'sudo apt install cairo-dock' in the terminal
[10:56] <LaRose_Bleu> MiguelPeru its a good bad joke
[10:57] <chalcedony> :)
[10:58] <chalcedony> thank you :)
[11:06] <gislaved> what is the prefered way to disable /etc/resolve.conf overwriting on boot ?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:08] <jeremy31> gislaved: what Ubuntu version?
[11:08] <gislaved> jeremy31 > 18
[11:09] <jeremy31> gislaved: What are you trying to change?
[11:09] <gislaved> adding my own dns servers and make it static :)
[11:09] <jeremy31> gislaved: that can be done in network manager
[11:10] <gislaved> jeremy31 just with the interface ? I mean... why do it like that ?
[11:11] <jeremy31> gislaved: because resolvconf was replaced with netplan
[11:12] <gislaved> is it sucky ?
[11:13] <jeremy31> gislaved: it is different than changing resolv.conf.  I think it is easier to use network manager change IPv4 setting to manual and enter the settings I want
[11:13] <ryanp> Ive been having issues getting my wifi working... still everything I try nothing. Fresh install ubuntu. ubuntu cannot see the hardware
[11:14] <LaRose_Bleu> ryanp: using some weird wifi hardware my dude?
[11:14] <ryanp> just what came in this hp laptop
[11:15] <jeremy31> ryanp, rtl8723de?
[11:15] <gislaved> jeremy31 yes in some way it's nicer to have it central
[11:17] <ryanp> jeremy 31 how do i find out exactly....
[11:17] <jeremy31> gislaved: Netplan uses a yaml file that is somewhere in /   Might have to search for a tutorial
[11:18] <jeremy31> ryanp: in terminal> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> ryanp: we tested a lot of things yesterday togheter, when comming back here please also mention the things already tested
[11:18] <jeremy31> ryan, paste output at paste.ubuntu.com
[11:18] <gislaved> jeremy31 I know
[11:19] <ryanp> lotuspsychje yes thank you... basically showing me still no hardware
[11:19] <jeremy31> gislaved: I set my static IP's on my router so it doesn't matter what OS I am using
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> ryanp: yes, but the new volunteers dont know what we tested
[11:20] <gislaved> jeremy31 HW adress based ? DHCP ?
[11:20] <SimonNL> manual
[11:20] <jeremy31> gislaved: MAC based assignment
[11:20] <ryanp> jeremy 31 https://pastebin.com/0wLSHVFV
[11:21] <ryanp> honestly lotuspsychje im not sure what we tested
[11:21] <ryanp> all very new to me
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31 LaRose_Bleu ryanp we tested: rfkill, no wifi block - updated system to latest 18.04 - wifi card shows unclaimed
[11:22] <jeremy31> ryanp: tomaspinho github has a fix for that, I don't know if it works with kernels newer than 4.15
[11:22] <jeremy31> ryanp: https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/b1305554de4e149c751c94004af49855 commands to run in terminal
[11:22] <ryanp> is this a common issue?
[11:23] <jeremy31> ryanp: Yes, no support in the latest kernel for that wifi chipset yet
[11:24] <jeremy31> ryanp, Secure Boot needs to be disabled in BIOS/UEFI but don't remove the keys
[11:24] <ryanp> lotuspsychje jeremy31 i appreciate the help
[11:24] <tomreyn> gislaved: read the /ETC/RESOLV.CONF section in the systemd-resolved(8) man page if you haven't
[11:26] <gislaved> jeremy31 as I said
[11:30] <ryanp> jeremy 31 https://pastebin.com/LKXhpeeS
[11:30] <jeremy31> ryanp: reboot and test
[11:30] <Meili> ryanp: you know how to disable secure boot?
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: do we have a bug with that fix?
[11:31] <jeremy31> ryanp: check> mokutil --sb-state
[11:31] <Meili> too late =P
[11:32] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: I think the bug would need to get filed against Ubuntu and upstream, then hope somebody could get the module committed upstream
[11:32] <tomreyn> there is bug 1740231
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx tomreyn
[11:33] <tomreyn> but it doesn't mention this github or needed changes, and apparently the focus is mostly making the oem kernel work
[11:33] <pefi> Any hints why "dpkg-query -W make" doesn't produce error even if no package make is installed? More here: http://pasteall.org/1479367
[11:36] <tomreyn> pefi: if you query installed packages matching a given pattern and the result is that none are installed then the query was still successful.
[11:36] <ryanp> lotuspsychje jeremy31 Meili we have WIFI thank you all so much
[11:37] <ryanp> im a newb to linux i am sure you will see me again sooner than later !!
[11:37] <tomreyn> pefi: actually i take it back, you'Re right, should have been status 1 if no packages atre matched accoring to the EXIT STATUS section of dpkg-query
[11:37] <Meili> I didn't really do anything, but I'm glad its fixed
[11:38] <geirha> pefi: it found the package, so it returned 0
[11:38] <geirha> pefi: dpkg doesn't only know about installed packages
[11:39] <tomreyn> pefi: right, as geirha says, the package is known, and thus was returned, thus the query reult wasnt empty, thus exit status 0
[11:40] <pefi> Ok, let me prepare a test case. I use it for other packages and works as expected.
[11:42] <geirha> I think your best option, if you want to both test if it is installed, and grab which version is installed, is to parse the output of something like   dpkg-query -W -f '${Status},${Package},${Version}\n' make
[11:45] <maeud> tomreyn: are you about?
[11:45] <pefi> geirha, tomreyn: the test case: http://pasteall.org/1479370 there is definitely something wrong here.
[11:46] <tomreyn> maeud: there's no personal support service here, but yes, i happen to be.
[11:47] <maeud> I'm still trying to get that Xenial preseed to boot. I can boot into Recovery then exit recovery and it goes into the normal system
[11:47] <maeud> but if I select normal boot first, black screen
[11:47] <maeud> any ideas?
[11:47] <tomreyn> pefi: looks fine to me
[11:47] <tomreyn> pefi: what is unexpected?
[11:48] <tomreyn> maeud: the recovery grub menu entries also set nomodeset parameter
[11:49] <maeud> it does, that's the only difference I can see
[11:49] <tomreyn> maeud: maybe your hardware needs this set to boot properly on 16.04 and the kernel which comes with it?
[11:50] <maeud> Weirdly, setting nomodeset same thing
[11:51] <tomreyn> maeud: can you sum up the problem again, i have forgotten the details.
[11:51] <geirha> pefi: what does this output?   dpkg-query -s make
[11:51] <pefi> tomreyn: after removing make package I'd expect to see an error message on "dpkg-query -W make" like it was with gfortran. Ii didn't install gfortran in the previous example, but if you do it "dpkg-query -W gfortran" will produce this: http://pasteall.org/1479372
[11:52] <pefi> geirha: ubuntu@ubuntu:~/calculix-build-script$ dpkg-query -s make
[11:52] <pefi> dpkg-query: package 'make' is not installed and no information is available
[11:52] <pefi> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[11:52] <pefi> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[11:52] <geirha> ok, so not lingering config or anything like that. Then it's just that it has been installed at some point, so it knows about it
[11:53] <pefi> after installing: http://pasteall.org/1479374
[11:54] <pefi> I'm doint tests on live iso in gnome boxes, so there shouldn't be any provious install or conflict.
[11:55] <geirha> regardless, the bottom-line is, just because dpkg knows about a package, you can't assume it's installed
[11:55] <tomreyn> pefi: so let's get this right: one thing is whether dpkg knows of the existence of a package (which is separate from what apt would know, since dpkg works only based on locally available information), the other thing is whether dpkg thinks that packages are installed - a completely different matter. after you install a package with apt, it is certainly known to dpkg, but not necessarily before that.
[11:58] <geirha> pefi: try something like   if pkgstat=$(dpkg-query -W -f '${Status},${Package} ${Version}\n' "$pkg" 2>/dev/null) && [[ $pkgstat = 'install ok installed,'* ]]; then printf '%s\n' "${pkgstat#*,}"; else printf '%s not installed\n' "$pkg"; fi
[11:58] <pefi> tomreyn:Thanks, that would explain it - another lesson learned. However after removing gfortran with apt-get I get expected error message from dpkg-query
[11:59] <tomreyn> pefi: dpkg does forget about packages it doesn't need to know about. i'm not sure what exactly the mechanism is there. but it should not be relevant for your use case.
[12:01] <tomreyn> pefi: maybe you can discuss what exactly you are trying to do and we can come up with a way to do it.
[12:02] <pefi> geirha: your solution works! I'll be bolting thet to my script
[12:02] <pefi> tomreyn: I'm trying to script building CalculiX. Work-in-progress is here: https://gitlab.com/PrzemoF/calculix-build-script
[12:03] <pefi> In order to build CalculiX I need to manually check few libraries, make, tar, bzip an so on.
[12:07] <tomreyn> pefi: i'm not into packaging really, but i guess geirha's approach is fine if you're trying to find out whether a specific package is installed (in any version) or not.
[12:07] <im0nde> Please help me: I have a ubuntu server and it reports full disc (no space left on device) but df -h shows strange results: https://hastebin.com/piqihonezo.sql
[12:08] <im0nde> The "Used" of home and root are just 24GB but it reports 100% usage. Any ideas what this means?
[12:09] <tomreyn> pefi: i'd surely recommend looking at how others do it, since this must be something that's done very very often. (also, note that there is #ubuntu-app-devel and #ubuntu-devel while #ubuntu is primarily a (user) support channel)
[12:10] <tomreyn> pefi: looking at https://gitlab.com/PrzemoF/calculix-build-script/blob/master/build_ccx you download dependencies via plain (unencrypted) http and don't verify their integrity and authenticity, that's something you should probably improve upon.
[12:11] <pefi> Thank you for the help! Interesting suggestion _ I'll add it to my TODO notes..
[12:11] <tomreyn> im0nde: use "du -sh /path/to/mountpoint" to get reliable information on file system allocation
[12:12] <tomreyn> deleted but still referenced file system objects could cause what you're seeing
[12:13] <im0nde> tomreyn: I tried for /home and it reports less usage that way: sudo du -sh /home
[12:13] <geirha> pefi: I'd also recommend using patches rather than sed -i. That way you have a chance to detect that your modifications fail
[12:13] <im0nde> tells me 7.2 Gb
[12:13] <im0nde> tomreyn: How do I get rid of still referenced file system objects
[12:13] <freddy> after a recent apt upgrade, I get a reliable, reproducible kernel nullptr when docking my thinkpad to a thinkpad docking station. anyone have a link on how to file this in the most meaningful way?
[12:14] <tomreyn> im0nde: stop / restart processes which do so
[12:14] <freddy> nullptr deref*
[12:14] <im0nde> tomreyn: I just rebooted, still no change
[12:14] <im0nde> Also btrfs fi df / reports quite a lot of free space
[12:15] <tomreyn> im0nde: oh i'm not into btrfs, you'll need to discuss with someone else then
[12:15] <im0nde> tomreyn: ok thanks. I actually didn't even know it was that fs until a few minuts ago. There was no update that converted to that recently, was ist?
[12:15] <tomreyn> freddy: which kernel version is this?
[12:16] <ducasse> im0nde: i had the same problem, fixed it by running a balance
[12:16] <tomreyn> im0nde: surely not, file systems don't change by themselves / during upgrades
[12:16] <im0nde> ducasse: I cant, because it is full
[12:16] <freddy> tomreyn: 4.15.0-44-generic on 18.04.1
[12:16] <im0nde> ducasse: How did you do it?
[12:17] <ducasse> im0nde: i managed to free up just enough space
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> freddy: -45 kernel is out
[12:17] <freddy> tomreyn: oh, I see there's an update for -45 available
[12:17] <freddy> I'll see if that fixes it. thanks folks :)
[12:20] <pefi> geirha: good idea, thanks again! Another TODO item...
[12:20] <chalcedony> is there some trick to running more than one administrative process in ubuntu? It's telling hubby that something else is using it and won't let him run sudo .. but we don't know what is using it
[12:20] <chalcedony> hubby is now running 18.04
[12:20] <rory> what's the error exactly chalcedony ? that doesn't sound like a thing.
[12:21] <chalcedony> i'll go write it down
[12:21] <ducasse> chalcedony: are you talking about apt?
[12:21] <rory> chalcedony: could it be related to dpkg lock?
[12:22] <ducasse> chalcedony: if so, close the software centre and other software management programs
[12:22] <rory> chalcedony: if the error is when running a package install/update/remove command and you see the message "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/) is another process using it?" - and if a reboot doesn't help - then check here https://askubuntu.com/a/102084/62969
[12:27] <Fleuv> Hello, how do I check if crypttab/cryptsetup is used on my system, so I can uninstall it.
[12:31] <freddy> for anyone who couldnt live with the suspension (heh), the update seems to have fixed it.
[12:31] <Fleuv> https://askubuntu.com/questions/316486#comment1843543_350943
[12:32] <maeud> Fleuv: check /etc/crypttab
[12:32] <maeud> lsblk will show you also
[12:32] <maeud> and cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sdx
[12:33] <Fleuv>  cat /etc/crypttab shows # <target name>	<source device>		<key file>	<options>
[12:33] <maeud> any actual devices listed?
[12:33] <Fleuv> no just that comment
[12:33] <maeud> should be ok then, check lsblk too
[12:34] <Fleuv> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ybvDRtJvjs/
[12:34] <maeud> network device with 2 partitions
[12:35] <maeud> looks good
[12:35] <Fleuv> So its not used?
[12:35] <Fleuv> crypttab/cryptsetup
[12:35] <maeud> if you have nothing in your crypttab, no open crypt containers on a fully booted system, no
[12:36] <Fleuv> clear, thank you
[12:36] <Fleuv> I think it's not used at all then
[12:37] <Fleuv> However there is also an option in the panel to activate the protected server feature. "The Protect Server feature is used to secure your server from unplanned halt actions or accidental deletion. The Protect Server feature only applies to running servers."
[12:37] <maeud> you can also do cryptsetup isLuks /dev/nbd0
[12:37] <Fleuv> I guess it has nothing to do with encrypting the partitions
[12:38] <maeud> cryptsetup isLuks /dev/nbdp1 and cryptsetup isLuks /dev/nbdp15
[12:38] <Fleuv> What does that actually do?
[12:38] <maeud> checks if it's a luks device
[12:38] <maeud> "returns true, if <device> is a LUKS partition. Otherwise, false."
[12:38] <Fleuv> Oke lets check
[12:39] <Fleuv> maeud, they both return Device ... doesn't exist or access denied.
[12:39] <maeud> run as root
[12:39] <Fleuv> I am :P
[12:40] <gislaved> is netplan that picky about the yaml layout ?
[12:41] <Meili> Fleuv: there is a 0 (zero) missing in the device node name
[12:42] <maeud> Fleuv if your system is using dm-crypt/luks, you would have a line in your crypttab for it to be mounted, there is no line and no open containers
[12:42] <pragmaticenigma> gislaved: Yes
[12:42] <leftyfb> gislaved: yaml is picky about yaml layout
[12:42] <gislaved> pragmaticenigma sounds like your name :P
[12:42] <maeud> Fleuv: it would look like this https://pastebin.com/raw/1qKsr4i0
[12:42] <pragmaticenigma> gislaved: It's not net netplan... it's the yaml parser
[12:43] <gislaved> yeah true
[12:43] <Fleuv> Aha, type should be crypt
[12:43] <Fleuv> clear
[12:43] <Fleuv> Thank maeud
[12:44] <maeud> np
[12:44] <mobile_c_> ughhh WHEN will android-androresolvd get fixed
[12:44] <Fleuv> Meili, are you sure? I didn't play with the device names or so, it's all default.
[12:44] <mobile_c_> still wont install even after a year
[12:44] <maeud> He means the commands I've given you for isLuks Fleuv, I've got a missing 0
[12:44] <mobile_c_> android-androresolvd[31603]: Cannot access system properties via ANDROID_PROPERTY_WORKSPACE environment setting.
[12:45] <mobile_c_> android-androresolvd.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=255
[12:45] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c_: what version of Ubuntu please
[12:45] <maeud> should be cryptsetup isLuks /dev/nbd0; cryptsetup isLuks /dev/nbd0p1; cryptsetup isLuks /dev/nbd0p15
[12:46] <mobile_c_> 18.04
[12:46] <mobile_c_> Bionic
[12:46] <tomreyn> mobile_c_: where's the bug report you're referring to?
[12:47] <leftyfb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-androresolvd/+bug/1803663
[12:47] <Fleuv> Aah now it doesn't return anything I guess that means true
[12:48] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c_: Presently, according to the Android build documentation, they recommend Ubuntu 14.04. Until they change that specification, I assume nothing Android SDK related will work on newer Ubuntu builds
[12:48] <mobile_c_> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/x5SPFUvu3UW4DACkbaQz/
[12:48] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c_: I would recommend that you reach out the Android developer community for help on getting a build environment setup
[12:49] <tomreyn> mobile_c_ / leftyfb: it's a universe package, so clark kent should send in his other identity to provide a fix.
[12:50] <leftyfb> tomreyn: good one :)
[12:50] <leftyfb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-androresolvd looks like people keep reporting the bug but it's not getting fixed
[12:51] <mobile_c_> maybe it should be removed from the bionic repository?
[12:51] <mobile_c_> until it gets fixed?
[12:53] <tomreyn> mobile_c_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing_Packages
[12:53] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c_: it isn't broken.. something in the post install script wasn't able to finish. It appears to be related to the config file. My guess is it is packaged with a bad config and the service won't start
[12:54] <boblamont> Hi, I've got a Linode VPS on which I'm running Ubunutu. I run a web server, but I handle mail on a separate shared hosting account. I have a wordpress plugin that I'd like to be able to send mail. I found this guide https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/postfix-smtp-debian7/ is that the best way to set things up?
[12:55] <pragmaticenigma> boblamont: Please ask in #ubuntu-server
[12:55] <boblamont> ok, thanks
[12:55] <maeud> Can anyone help: https://pastebin.com/raw/YbRD73j4
[13:00] <mobile_c_> pragmaticenigma: how do i go about finding out what breaks it
[13:02] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c_: start looking through syslog and other log files. Attempt to start the service manually. If it indeed didn't install through apt, then you will have to wait until the bug is addressed by Ubuntu developers (this is a support channel with volunteers)
[13:07] <tomreyn> maeud: you'Re not tesgin with the latest xenial kernel images for use in virtualization environments: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-4.4.0-142-generic
[13:07] <tomreyn> s/tesgin/testing/
[13:07] <tomreyn> that's according to https://i.imgur.com/HqpNiYb.png
[13:09] <mobile_c_> how do i obtain ubuntu-archive-tools
[13:10] <maeud> tomreyn I'm using the standard xenial xerus 16.04.5 server iso
[13:10] <maeud> it's unpacked and served via http
[13:10] <maeud> shouldn't that work out of the box?
[13:11] <tomreyn> maeud: oh that's the installer not booting? i was somehow assuming (not sure why actually) this was post installation
[13:12] <mobile_c_> root@X555BA:/home/mobile_c# /usr/sbin/androresolvd
[13:12] <mobile_c_> Cannot access system properties via ANDROID_PROPERTY_WORKSPACE environment setting.
[13:12] <mobile_c_> root@X555BA:/home/mobile_c# file /usr/sbin/androresolvd
[13:12] <mobile_c_> /usr/sbin/androresolvd: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, BuildID[sha1]=6cd108231aa8240878f3c8c448c4d24a04fa1b2d, stripped
[13:12] <maeud> the installer boots, installs, completes
[13:12] <maeud> but then I can't boot it
[13:12] <tomreyn> !paste | mobile_c_
[13:12] <maeud> but if I go into recovery, type exit, I get into the install fine tomreyn
[13:12] <maeud> so I have no clue
[13:12] <tomreyn> maeud: do you not install updates during or after installation, and before reboot, then?
[13:12] <maeud> No updates, everything is straight from the image
[13:13] <maeud> that should be a known good
[13:13] <Beng> Ohh sorry im still new . Im talking about linux instalation (i try with more then 10different versions of linux and still the same problem) the problem is instalation going fine and smooth till grub comes , after that my machine just stop , at the beggining i think this part its slowly but when i leave it 2 times for more then 10H nothing happen. My laptop is "acer spin 1 es111-31 CPU: intel N3350 1.1 dual core , STORAGE: 32GB MMC,
[13:13] <Beng> Hello guys
[13:13] <tomreyn> maeud: hmm, probably, yes.
[13:13] <maeud> Bionic no issues, just xenial
[13:14] <tomreyn> maeud: did you post a full dmesg yesterday? i forgot...
[13:14] <maeud> I didn't, I'll see if I can grab it off the VM
[13:14] <tomreyn> ideally journalctl -b too
[13:16] <tomreyn> Beng: this is probably a 32-bit uefi system
[13:16] <mobile_c_> https://github.com/guardianproject/lildebi/issues/89 looks like it been that way for about 4 years o.o
[13:17] <Beng> when i try with 32bit OS my pc dont read it
[13:18] <pa> hi
[13:18] <tomreyn> Beng: that's not the point, 32-bit uefi should never have existed in the first place. https://medium.com/@realzedgoat/a-sorta-beginners-guide-to-installing-ubuntu-linux-on-32-bit-uefi-machines-d39b1d1961ec
[13:18] <pa> i'm trying to boot a live usb of a ubuntu-core based distribution on an intel NUC
[13:18] <pa> i disabled UEFI in the bios
[13:18] <pa> but i get the boot process stuck with
[13:18] <pa> BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 23s! [swapper/0:1]
[13:18] <pa> that keeps coming one after another
[13:18] <tomreyn> pa: we only support ubuntu here.
[13:18] <pa> what can i do?
[13:19] <tomreyn> try with ubuntu
[13:19] <EriC^^> Beng: boot a live usb and tell me when its booted
[13:19] <pa> hm ok
[13:19] <pa> can do that
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> pa: ubuntu-core is not meant to run on local hardware. if you are looking for a slim install, there are plenty of other options.
[13:21] <maeud> tomreyn:  how do I get journalctl to stop using more or less
[13:21] <tomreyn> maeud: you pipe into something else
[13:21] <tomreyn> or redirect
[13:22] <tomreyn> or set the PAGER environment variable to something else
[13:23] <mobile_c_> welp how do i prevent apt from grepping the package
[13:24] <mobile_c_> regexing*
[13:24] <mobile_c_> via apt install android*
[13:24] <Beng> is this iso what i need Fedora-Workstation-Live-i386-29-1.2 ?
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> mobile_c_: don't use the astrix and list out each desired package independently
[13:25] <rungcc> Hi guys! Question: Does anyone were able to get intel 9461 wireless (A370) working in 18.04? The card is working flawlessly in manjaro and windows, but in ubuntu I experience frequent disconnects and incredibly slow speeds
[13:25] <rungcc> my machine is a MSI GE63 8RC laptop
[13:25] <visone> howdy
[13:25] <blackflow> rungcc: does it require firmware and did you install it?
[13:26] <rungcc> in theory it doesnt
[13:26] <rungcc> the necessary ucode file is already in /libs/firmware, is iwlwifi standard
[13:26] <maeud> tomreyn I've pm'd the logs
[13:26] <tomreyn> Beng: yo notice this is #ubuntu ?
[13:27] <rungcc> "iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode"
[13:27] <napnap_> Hi, I installed cura-lulzbot with a deb package and "dpkg -i". Then apt doesn't works because it says cura had missing dependancies (but cura still works) . If i execute "apt-get -f install' apt want's remove cura. How can I tell apt to don't try to solve this problem and go forward ?
[13:27] <tomreyn> maeud: can you post them here or (less preferrable) PM again? I /dev/null PMs by default
[13:28] <maeud> Sure, let me give them a quick read again
[13:28] <blackflow> rungcc: is iwlwifi-9000 part of the linux-firmware?
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> napnap_: This channel does not support 3rd party applications installed outside of apt... If the application is not available in apt... then you have to reach out to the developer for support
[13:29] <blackflow> rungcc: dpkg -L linux-firmware | grep 9000   is that file shown?
[13:29] <maeud> tomreyn: dmesg: https://pastebin.com/raw/fEwjniKR journalctl: https://pastebin.com/raw/tPECpX7Z
[13:29] <napnap_> pragmaticenigma, this question is not about cura, it's about apt...
[13:29] <rungcc> I can't issue commands and be online at the same time, I'm on the same machine, different hard drive
[13:30] <rungcc> so I can see online for some help
[13:30] <rungcc> :(
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> napnap_: the issue occured because of cura... you didn't read the entire message
[13:31] <blackflow> rungcc: when you reboot, also grep dmesg for iwlwifi and verify the firmware has loaded
[13:31] <mobile_c_> welp
[13:31]  * mobile_c_ removes everything then reinstalls everything
[13:31]  * mobile_c_ due to android-androresolved fucking up the instalation process
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> napnap_: If you can't find the application using apt or software center, then it's not supported. Breakage of your system because of your choice to install software not maintained by Ubuntu community is something this channel doesn't support
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> napnap_: So your option is to remove the offending application to restore functionality of your system
[13:32] <rungcc> let me try blackflow
[13:33] <motte> hi, I have this problem with serial connection where the connection works one-way only, I can't simultaneously read and write from serial connection, the error I get is resource temporarily unavailable. thing is, I experience this issue only on 4.15.0-44 onwards, on 4.15.0-43 everything works fine. any ideas?
[13:33] <tomreyn> maeud: 16.04 comes with linux 4.4.0 by default, why is this 4.15?
[13:34] <napnap_> pragmaticenigma, I understand, but my question is : How can I tell to apt to move forward and ignore missing dependencies of an already installed package (it doesn't matter which package)
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> napnap_: You can't
[13:34] <napnap_> pragmaticenigma, ok. thx
[13:35] <maeud> No idea tomreyn, I'll download this iso: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.5-server-amd64.iso and use it
[13:36] <tomreyn> maeud: i think you have a choice between the GA and HWE kernels when you install, 4.15..x may be HWE, but i'd expected you to make a conscious choice on this.
[13:37] <tomreyn> maeud: did you notice the HV ballooning messages in the dmesg you posted, though?
[13:37] <maeud> I'll re-download the iso and confirm I haven't somehow used an old one tomreyn
[13:37] <tomreyn> maeud: ok
[13:38] <maeud> I don't know anything about that, rule out the easiest option first
[13:38] <EriC^^> Beng: use the live usb you were using to make the installation
[13:38] <EriC^^> Beng: it has a "try ubuntu" feature
[13:38] <tomreyn> maeud: if it still doesn't work, try with ballooning disabled. if it still doen't work, try with the virtualization kernel instead. if it still don't work, post journalctl -b again
[13:38] <maeud> OK
[13:39] <Beng> yes but when its 32BIT my pc cannot read it
[13:39] <Beng> theres no OS on my laptop now
[13:39] <Beng> aqualy i have os but i install with with sudo ubiqiuty -b , i dont have this grub file
[13:40] <EriC^^> Beng: how did you boot the iso in the first place?
[13:41] <Beng> with a live USB
[13:47] <EriC^^> Beng: ok, boot that into "try ubuntu" mode
[13:48] <Beng> version 18 is it ok ?
[13:48] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:50] <Beng> im in
[13:52] <strk> 403 http://ubuntu.mirror.planet.net/archive/dists/trusty-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages
[13:52] <strk> what's going on ?
[13:52] <strk> did trusty went EOL today ?
[13:53] <Beng> EriC^^: done
[13:53] <tomreyn> strk: no, not yet. you should always download security updates from security.ubuntu.com directly
[13:53] <pragmaticenigma> strk: probably temporary, but hopefully you are aware that Trusty is quickly approaching EOL
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> strk: Not familiar with that particular mirror, but it's possible you pinged it mid-update
[13:56] <tomreyn> if these timestamps are correct, it hasn't received updates in a while
[13:56] <tomreyn> and the pocket directories are missing.
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> strk: Did you manually add that mirror?
[14:00] <strk> pragmaticenigma: no, it should be downloaded automatically from http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt
[14:00] <strk> it's not in there right now indeed
[14:02] <strk> at least, from where I fetch it -- my problem is on Travis, no idea where those machines come from
[14:03] <EriC^^> Beng: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" paste the link here
[14:03] <pragmaticenigma> strk: It's possible it's in the middle of a mirror sync... I would wait and try again in an hour or two. If it is still not working, you might have to manually define a preferred mirror
[14:04] <user__> hello
[14:05] <Beng> Eroor: /dev/mmvblk0boot0
[14:05] <Beng> Eroor: /dev/mmvblk0boot1
[14:05] <Beng> unrecognised disk label
[14:05] <Beng> thats all
[14:06] <tomreyn> strk: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.mirror.planet.net-archive
[14:07] <ddoobb> Hey guys how can I run legacy java applets like this one from NASA on Ubuntu? (https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/foil3.html)
[14:11] <tomreyn> ddoobb: download the applet and try to load it using: java -jar where/you/downloaded/the/applet.jar
[14:12] <ddoobb> tomreyn the applet is a zip with some java code files and a .html. No .jar.
[14:12] <tomreyn> .jar is essentially a zip file, so this may still work
[14:15] <strk> tomreyn: what's that for ?
[14:16] <strk> could apt deal with those kind of errors taking a list of mirrors rather than a single one ?
[14:17] <ddoobb> tomreyn: is it possible to do this without installing any java on my system?
[14:17] <ddoobb> In browser perhaps
[14:17] <tomreyn> ddoobb: yes, you can do it on a different system
[14:18] <strk> or, how to check if a mirror is active ?
[14:18] <tomreyn> ddoobb: how would your browser run java code if it doesn't have a JVM?
[14:19] <tomreyn> strk: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.mirror.planet.net-archive is a web page which reports on the state of this very ubuntu archive mirror.
[14:20] <tomreyn> strk: it states that this mirror server mirrors several archives, but not the one you were reporting about
[14:21] <tomreyn> strk: specifically it doesn't state that this mirror supports anything for ubuntu 14.04 trusty tahr
[14:21] <strk> is there a robust way to determine which mirror is the best one from a specific location ?  I understood http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt was a way to get info about mirrors in general, is there anything taking a given distribution ?
[14:22] <strk> so location + distribution
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> strk: did you customize your apt repos to only look at that mirror?
[14:22] <tomreyn> http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt is a way to determine which archive mirrors are available by the time you access it
[14:23] <strk> pragmaticenigma: this is happening in an ansible playbook, it fetches http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt and uses the first entry
[14:23] <strk> I guess I'd need to check each in turn to find which one supports my distro instead
[14:24] <tomreyn> strk: so this is not a travis ci issue? since this is what you seemed to report initially?
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> not sure why that is being used... there is a round robin URL that is supposed to automatically connect you to a mirror supporting your requested version
[14:24] <EriC^^> Beng: it doesn't return a termbin.com link at all?
[14:25] <strk> tomreyn: I just reported that planet.net does NOT come out when I fetch http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt from _my_ location (Travis source IP being different)
[14:25] <strk> pragmaticenigma: what's the roundrobin URL ?
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> strk... it's usually country code followed by .releases.ubuntu.com so for the United States it would be us.releases.ubuntu.com or us.archive.ubuntu.com
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> not sure how that might work with your implementation though
[14:30] <strk> uhm, now I see another way: deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt precise main restricted universe multiverse
[14:31] <strk> but it's been reported it doesn't play nicely with corporate mirrors
[14:32] <strk> will try again and see what happens
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> corporate mirrors? I think I'm lost what you're trying to do
[14:33] <strk> well, multiple things, but generally speaking having a generic way to set mirrors that work behind proxies :)
[14:36] <tomreyn> strk: so what's bad about planet.net NOT being returned when you fetch http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt from _your_ location
[14:39] <tomreyn> strk: if you want to have ubuntu archive mirrors available in an environment with strict firewall rules then your best approach is to mirror what you need locally, and use this. second best is to proxy cache it locally and use that.
[14:39] <strk> tomreyn: nothing is bad i planet.net NOT returned from my location
[14:40] <tomreyn> strk: then what seems to be the issue, if there's one?
[14:47] <Thor> hello...
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> welceom thor, what can we do for you?
[14:49] <strk> tomreyn: the issue is finding a way to obtain the closest mirror supporting our distribution, and working correctly behind a proxy (the proxy issue is very specific, not sure which one it is...)
[14:49] <Thor> are other flavors of ubuntu equally well supported as ubuntu?
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Thor yes
[14:49] <teward> Thor: 'equally supported' varies flavor to flavor but typically 'yes' if it's an official flavor.
[14:49] <Thor> ok
[14:49] <teward> you also don't specify what you mean by 'supported' - i'm assuming hardware in which case "yes" for equally well supporte
[14:50] <teward> d
[14:50] <teward> bleh stupid keyboard
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> Thor: Typically all things Ubuntu are supported here... if a channel would be more appropriate, someone here will direct you to the best resource
[14:50] <Thor> for a laptop running on 4 GBs or RAM and Intel Core i3 2.0 Ghz cpu which flavor is recommended? which would be most comfortable to use?
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> Thor: Lubuntu or Xubuntu are best for lower powered systems
[14:52] <Thor> pragmaticenigma, do you consider that laptop as lower powered system?
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> The 4GB of ram
[14:52] <visone> if your graphics are intel or ati, xubuntu
[14:53] <Thor> intel graphics
[14:55] <Thor> btw, how can I get my nickname registered on #ubuntu and on ##linux?
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> !register | Thor
[14:55] <Thor> ok
[14:57] <Thor> would you not recommend kubuntu or ubuntu mate for this machine?
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> Thor: mate would also do the trick
[14:58] <Thor> or cinnamon?
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> Thor: but kubuntu is not very light in use
[14:58] <tomreyn> strk: So there is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors which is also available via Launchpad API. how you determine which mirror is (or which mirrors are) suitable for your purposes is up to you, i don't think there's currently a way to automate it.
[14:59] <Thor> ok
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> Thor: The best recommendation is to try them out and see what works best for you. Each flavor has it's advantages and disadvantages based on what you are trying to do with the machine and its capabilities
[14:59] <Thor> ok
[15:00] <tomreyn> strk: what i said previously about mirroring apt archive mirror still applies. also note that you should (if firewalling permits) always have systems pull security patches directly from security.ubuntu,com
[15:01] <tomreyn> (though i guess a local corporate mirror is fine if you make sure it remains up to date)
[15:03] <strk> I'm wondering why <countrycode>.releases.ubuntu.com is not in the output of mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt -- could it not be useful, in general ?
[15:03] <strk> would be a way to find out our country code ..
[15:04] <tomreyn> if ouyou need to find out your CC, use a geo location service.
[15:08] <tomreyn> strk: there is e,g, http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/GB.txt (but i'm not sure whether this is actually a supported service, the same goes for mirrors.ubuntu.com in general, ask in #ubuntu-mirrors please)
[15:15] <gislaved> my route is not applied when I add it to netplan, any idea ?
[15:18] <anonymip> gislaved, did you do: sudo netplan apply
[15:18] <gislaved> anonymip yap
[15:22] <gislaved> I can also not set my own nameserver on dhcp, it sucks
[15:23] <Simonious> cat is mangling all isntances of 0A (line separator) to 0D0A (carriage return, line separator), in some binaries files I'm working with.. presently looking for a way around this bad kitty's behavior.
[15:24] <teward> Simonious: not catting binary files sounds like the first step :P  (You should probably NOT be catting binary file contents)
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> gislaved: Are you sure netplan is setup to manage the network, and not network manager?
[15:24] <lordcirth__> Simonious, yeah, I think the problem is using cat
[15:24] <gislaved> pragmaticenigma if I set it back to dhcp an apply I get a working network ;)
[15:24] <Simonious> teward: I'm using cat to pipe the output to a serial port, certainly other options are reasonable, but it works perfect except for this one character..
[15:24] <lordcirth__> dd, perhaps?
[15:25] <Simonious> cat <filename> > /dev/ttyUSB0
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> gislaved: That might mean that netplan and network manager aren't fighting over the connection. so you really didn't answer my question
[15:25] <maeud> tomreyn: the iso I was using had hwe kernel
[15:25] <maeud> it had it in normal amd-64 too, not hwe-netboot...
[15:25] <teward> Simonious: you might want to do a dd instead which would do byte by byte, not sure if that'd work properly, but yeah catting binary files is likely to cause potential headaches I bet
[15:25] <maeud> I'm trying 16.04.5 iso with the other one, 4.4
[15:26] <Simonious> teward: only if there are 0As in the file, otherwise it's great
[15:26] <gislaved> pragmaticenigma netplan
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> gislaved: again... not answering my question... "ARE YOU SURE NETPLAN IS SETUP AS THE CONTROLER FOR THE NETWORK?"
[15:27] <gislaved> pragmaticenigma I did answer, you just don't want to listen
[15:27] <gislaved> netplan yes
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> gislaved: Not because you installed it or you've been configuring it... I'm asking is it actually the only network management tool on your setup
[15:28] <gislaved> pragmaticenigma how pragmatic are you ? it IS THNE NETWORKMANAGER ? clear ?
[15:29] <maeud> Ubuntu has too many network managers
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> maeud: There are only two tools for managing the network... NetworkManager for desktop editions, netplan for servers
[15:30] <maeud> so 1 too many
[15:30] <bazzle31> What is the best vpn right now?
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> !ot | bazzle31
[15:32] <maeud> nordvpn must be doing well bazzle31, they're advertising on UK TV
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> gislaved: Perhaps #ubuntu-server will be of more help for you
[15:32] <gislaved> pragmaticenigma good one indeed
[15:33] <gislaved> butr that channel is pretty dead
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> not correct gislaved
[15:33] <fleabeard> good morning, beautiful people! Quick question, is there a way to make HexChat wait until I'm identified with NickServ before attempting to join a channel in my auto-join list?
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> maeud: We really like to focus on support in this channel. Recommendations and suggestions should really be discuessed in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:33] <maeud> np
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | gislaved
[15:33] <jeremy31> gislaved: try Ubuntu.org in networking
[15:33] <gislaved> lotuspsychje was pretty dead last years
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> fleabeard: try the SASL login method
[15:34] <fleabeard> lotuspsychje, thanks, will do!
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> gislaved: you already have a reply in 1min
[15:35] <coconut> bazzle31: i use PIA, i think it's good enough(and it's cheap)
[15:35] <bazzle31> Thanks maeud
[15:35] <bazzle31> How much for it coconut?
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: We really like to focus on support in this channel. Recommendations and suggestions should really be discuessed in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:36] <coconut> shouldn't be in this channel though bazzle31
[15:36] <fleabeard> lotuspsychje, worked a treat. Thanks!
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> fleabeard: welcome mate
[15:36] <coconut> pragmaticenigma: i know, already wanted to mention this
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> bazzle31: Again, please use #ubuntu-offtopic for recommendations
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: And what happend? that's why it's best not to engage in the first place
[15:36] <bazzle31> Okay thanks coconut
[15:37] <coconut> pragmaticenigma: yes i know, i was sleeping here
[15:37] <leftyfb> I feel IPSEC is the best VPN
[15:37] <coconut> sorry
[15:59] <kreyren> need more info for https://pastebin.com/raw/LL4x817C (Kernel compilation)
[16:00] <kreyren> seems to be unique for ubuntu, trying to recompile /usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-45-generic with config from gentoo
[16:00] <lordcirth__> kreyren, why are you compiling your own kernel?
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: this isn't the correct channel for support on compiling kernels
[16:00] <oerheks> ..with confog from gentoo, that surely is unique
[16:00] <oerheks> lolz
[16:01] <kreyren> lordcirth__: because my fresh ubuntu has performance issues and i'm trying to fix it
[16:01] <lordcirth__> kreyren, your performance problems are unlikely to be the kernel's fault
[16:01] <kreyren> perheks: afaik kernels configuration is same everywhere excluding special patches
[16:02] <kreyren> lordcirth__: i think that it's caused partialy by it
[16:02] <lordcirth__> kreyren, what performance problem are you having?
[16:02] <kreyren> parheks: and sauce shoudn't be required for current configuration
[16:02] <tda> I'm trying to disable some logging, but ufw seems to ignore changes. I commented out the lines  think are responsible, but it has no effect. I save before.rules and restart ufw, but my logs are still flooded with [UFW BLOCK] Why is ufw logging them? https://pastebin.com/A1i2V8LD
[16:03] <kreyren> lordcirth__: +- 25 FPS and microfrezes + system is unsable in comparison to gentoo
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: you might find better support in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-kernel
[16:03] <kreyren> (+- 25 FPS in tested game with same configuration)
[16:04] <kreyren> pragmaticenigma: sent ty for info
[16:04] <kreyren> If you have any tips to improve the performance let me know too tho.. I need backup OS when my gentoo is hugged up o.o
[16:05] <robertparkerx> Is it possible to transfer from server to server? What I mean is dev server transfer directly to live.
[16:05] <lordcirth__> robertparkerx, transfer what?
[16:05] <robertparkerx> they both are ubuntu
[16:05] <robertparkerx> website data
[16:06] <kreyren> robertparkerx: cp / /mnt/remote/ not possible?
[16:06] <lordcirth__> robertparkerx, you could use scp or rsync. But if it's website data, and you will do this multiple times, you should probably use git.
[16:06] <kreyren> should work assuming that kernel is optimized for different system and packages are updated to handle new configuration
[16:06] <kreyren> and that arch is same
[16:06] <robertparkerx> they talked about rsync
[16:07] <robertparkerx> What is that?
[16:07] <kreyren> !rsync
[16:08] <kreyren> robertparkerx: Why do you need to perform this action? seems insane for any scenario
[16:08] <robertparkerx> dev server to production server
[16:08] <robertparkerx> they're both different location
[16:08] <kreyren> robertparkerx: i dont understand why?
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> robertparkerx: yeah... that's not what you should be doing
[16:08] <kreyren> expected result?
[16:08] <jwhisnant> q
[16:09] <robertparkerx> dev server has a build that should be moved live.
[16:09] <kreyren> alike sanest is usually to greb just required filesystems and merge them
[16:09] <kreyren> robertparkerx: maybe merge the difference then? assuming that your work environment is compatible
[16:09] <lordcirth__> robertparkerx, your working dev config should be in your dev git branch, and you should merge this branch into your prod branch, and your prod server should git pull it
[16:10] <lordcirth__> Or some similar, sane setup
[16:10] <kreyren> +1
[16:10] <robertparkerx> ./var/www/public_html/website1 I want to clone to ./var/www/public_html/website1 on other server
[16:10] <oerheks> a dev server moved live, wrong approach, why should it stay live?
[16:10] <robertparkerx> Yea they don't have git
[16:10] <lordcirth__> robertparkerx, so set it up
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> robertparkerx: This isn't the right channel for help on deploying web applications or web sites... Answers to these questions are found easily through web search and web developement communities.
[16:11] <kreyren> or like it's linux you can get the data there different ways.. chose the one that is optimal for your situation.. My coworked did such update making a CD and then hooking up CD reader to a server to upload it..
[16:11] <kreyren> ... when he had full write and direct connection but thats another story
[16:12] <robertparkerx> I just want to learn how they were able to do it so fast. Its like I waas doing it the stone age way.
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> robertparkerx: This isn't the right channel for help on deploying web applications or web sites... Answers to these questions are found easily through web search and web developement communities.
[16:14] <kreyren> robertparkerx: Concept is that you have /usr/test and you want to merge it on the live server -> assuming you have data it's exactly like moving one file to another directory.. but you have to know what are you doing alike don't overwrite /boot with something you don't understand or your system wont boot etc..
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: robertparkerx 's question is offtopic for this channel. please stop
[16:14]  * kreyren just wanted to help o.o
[16:15] <robertparkerx> How, it's ubuntu
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: This channel focuses it support on the offical Ubuntu releases and for problems pertaining to the operation of Ubuntu.
[16:15] <kreyren> noted
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> robertparkerx: This channel supports the OS and it's applications. Configurations issues, application crashes, installation assistance.
[16:17] <kreyren> installation assistance.. do you have CLI installer?
[16:17] <caroga> hi all!
[16:17] <tomreyn> maeud: RE: "the iso I was using had hwe kernel. it had it in normal amd-64 too, not hwe-netboot..." - I can't comment on this, maybe this is actually intended, you may need to check with someone from the server team in #ubuntu-server
[16:17] <oerheks> if you have trouble moving a server, i wonder how do you make backups?
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> !mini | kreyren
[16:18] <kreyren> emergefull! thanks :3
[16:18] <kreyren> it instals predefined configuration or can i chose my own?
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: It can do a lot of things. I use it because I can install any flavor of Ubuntu, and when it's done, it already has the latest updates because it installs packages from the ubuntu package servers
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: I imagine you can create some sort of predefined package set and add it to the options list. I don't know how, but don't see how it's not possible
[16:20] <kreyren> cool.. what is bare minimum for ubuntu to work? alike packagewise
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: Ubuntu server by default installs the bare minimum to get a working system
[16:21] <kreyren> nice ty
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: Do note that server does have some different configurations (like networking configuration) that are different than what is installed with Desktop
[16:24] <jmc> kreyren: you can try download and install the mini.iso
[16:24] <kreyren> source to mini.iso ? can't find it in mirror ftp://mirror.vutbr.cz/ubuntu/releases/cosmic/
[16:24] <kreyren> or is it ubuntu-18.10-live-server-amd64 ?
[16:25] <jmc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:25] <maeud> tomreyn: no luck with HWE/GA kernels :(
[16:25] <kreyren> jmc: cosmic not supported?
[16:26] <tomreyn> maeud: did you try with ballooning disabled?
[16:26] <maeud> I've disabled dynamic memory after install, started the VM and tried to boot the default grub boot entry
[16:26] <oerheks> kreyren, tip: for production servers, stick to lts
[16:26] <maeud> black screen
[16:27] <kreyren> oerheks: not meant to be used for server just as backup OS when my gentoo is broken (as is now after failed experiment) and so that i can play games since ubuntu OOTB has performance issues
[16:28] <kreyren> jmc: how much storage does minibuntu need generaly?
[16:28] <kreyren> *mini.iso .. didn't know that minibuntu is a thing
[16:29] <maeud> tomreyn I've just changed "gfxpayload=$linux_gfx_mode" to "gfxpayload=text"
[16:29] <maeud> and it starts loading up the normal entry...
[16:29] <maeud> plymouthd error
[16:30] <jmc> kreyren: try this one http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/cosmic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[16:31] <kreyren> jmc: ok ty
[16:34] <kreyren> more info to ? https://pastebin.com/raw/d3J6t7Ae
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: I boot mini.iso from a 4GB usb drive... it's really small
[16:35] <tomreyn> maeud: glad you found something!
[16:36] <kreyren> pragmaticenigma: i'm using android phone to boot usually :D but i will install this in chroot environment
[16:42] <maeud> just need to figure out why plymouthd isn't working now
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> what errors are you seeing?
[16:47] <maeud> on boot, the screen just goes black... when I set "gfxpayload=$linux_gfx_mode" to "gfxpayload=text", on boot: https://i.imgur.com/uhRSety.png - on login: https://i.imgur.com/qQhiduM.png
[16:49] <maeud> I don't have /lib/plymouth
[16:50] <maeud> but plymouth and libplymouth 4 are installed
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> what are you trying to do maeud ?
[16:51] <maeud> boot correctly
[16:54] <pa> hi
[16:54] <pa> question about sudo
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | pa
[16:54] <pa> before it was enough to change /etc/sudoers to prevent the system from asking the password when using sido
[16:55] <pa> *sudo
[16:55] <pa> it seems that approach is not working aymore
[16:55] <teward> pa: if you mean for the GUI processes, those use pkexec now
[16:55] <pa> how to do it now on 18.04 f.ex.?
[16:55] <teward> not a sudo-driven system
[16:55] <pa> teward: no i mean:
[16:55] <pa> https://askubuntu.com/questions/147241/execute-sudo-without-password
[16:56] <pa> what is explained in the second answer doesn't work anymore
[16:56] <teward> pa: editing /etc/sudoers still works for me getting no-password sudo.  It depends heavily on *where* in sudoers you put the commands.  So without seeing your sudoers setup...
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> pa: that posting is several years old. pay attention to the dates of articles as after about a year or two, they become inaccurate or out-dated
[16:57] <pa> pragmaticenigma: that's my point
[16:57] <pa> i donno why that is outdated
[16:57] <pa> teward: what do you mean?
[16:57] <pa> should i put it at the end you mean?
[16:57] <teward> pa: yes.
[16:57] <teward> USER ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL  <---- works for me still
[16:58] <pa> ok let me retry
[16:58] <teward> pa: note though that this won't work for any GUI applications which needs superuser, those still go throug hpkexec and not sudoers
[16:58] <pa> yes true
[17:01] <pragmaticenigma> kreyren: I'm sorry I didn't notice earlier, but I do not accept DMs... if you would like to discuss something ubuntu related, you can find me in #ubuntu-discuss
[17:01] <pa> teward: thjanks
[17:12] <maeud> tomreyn installing "plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo" fixes the issue. This package is not on the iso
[17:12] <maeud> So if you preseed ubuntu 16.4.5, use crypto+lvm then you can't boot
[17:12] <maeud> nice
[17:14] <maeud> that package isn't on 18.04.1 pool either, but the 3 packages on both are at a higher version on 18.04.1
[17:17] <Sir_Andrei> Hello
[17:17] <Bey0ndB1nary> Hi All
[17:18] <Sir_Andrei> People, I have a question.
[17:18] <Bey0ndB1nary> I have below Scenario and looking for HELP.
[17:18] <Bey0ndB1nary> .
[17:18] <Bey0ndB1nary> Ubuntu Laptop on WiFi Network :: 192.168.1.77/24  ( Static IP )
[17:18] <Bey0ndB1nary> Ubuntu Server running on VMWare :: 172.166.33.100/24 ( Static IP )
[17:18] <Bey0ndB1nary> IP Forwarding is enabled on both of them.
[17:18] <Bey0ndB1nary> I would like to access Ubuntu server in VMWare from my Laptop? How can i accomplish it.
[17:18] <Sir_Andrei> I am tinkering with pyroute2 (Python 3.6), which is like iproute2
[17:18] <Sir_Andrei> I wanna get the link quality of the wifi network I am connected on.
[17:18] <Sir_Andrei> Can I use netlink for that?
[17:19] <Sir_Andrei> I also can scrape iwconfig, but that's not the idea.
[17:19] <Sir_Andrei> 'cause subprocess.run (function to call for shell commands) is relatively slower.
[17:24] <kunal> hello
[17:24] <kunal> I need some help
[17:24] <kunal> for my machine
[17:24] <kunal> can anyone help me?
[17:24] <maeud> !ask | kunal
[17:25] <kunal> I am not getting a sound icon, and when I try some fixes from somewhere, I get dummy output. All in all, my sound doesn't work. Please help!
[17:26] <kunal> I am running Ubuntu 16.04
[17:27] <kunal> ping
[17:27] <kunal> !ping
[17:27] <kunal> I am not getting a sound icon, and when I try some fixes from somewhere, I get dummy output. All in all, my sound doesn't work. Please help!
[17:27] <kunal> !ask
[17:28] <kunal> I am not getting a sound icon, and when I try some fixes from somewhere, I get dummy output. All in all, my sound doesn't work. Please help!
[17:30] <leftyfb> !repeat | kunal
[17:30] <kunal> Sorry
[17:30] <leftyfb> kunal: is this a new install?
[17:30] <kunal> yes
[17:30] <kunal> It worked before though
[17:30] <leftyfb> kunal: why not try 18.04?
[17:31] <kunal> Would it fix my problems?
[17:31] <leftyfb> kunal: Don't know, hence the "try"
[17:31] <kunal> is there a terminal command to update Ubuntu?
[17:31] <tomreyn> maeud: please consider filing a bug report.
[17:31] <leftyfb> kunal: it's a new install, just install again using 18.04
[17:32] <kunal> ok
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> Sir_Andrei: This channel is better suited for questions regaruding the Ubuntu OS and its configuration. Programming and developer type questions should go to channels dedicated to those languages and/or protocols
[17:40] <Bey0ndB1nary> Hi All, Could you help me with Scenario explained in here  --->   https://pastebin.com/AtMdpxRb
[17:40] <Bey0ndB1nary> Thanks.
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> Bey0ndB1nary: VMWare support is not available here... you need to find a VMWare specific community for help or read the documentation for VMWare. The issue you are experiencing is not an OS setup problem but a configuration issue with the VM
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> *VMWare application
[17:44] <teward> Bey0ndB1nary: #vmware for community driven VMware assistance
[17:44] <teward> Bey0ndB1nary: and that *is* a VMware issue, not the OS setup / VM specific issue
[17:57] <qwebirc20092> Hey guys. Trying to set up IPv6 on my network. Thought I did everything correctly, but sites like http://ipv6-test.com/ are telling me "Not supported". I've confirmed my ISP provides IPv6 addresses, and my router shows I have one assigned alongside my IPv4 address. What else should I be doing?
[17:58] <kinghat> do i have to do `sudo apt update && apt list --upgradable` for them both to fire or is there a flag for `apt list --upgradable`?
[18:00] <Higga> hello
[18:01] <leftyfb> qwebirc20092: your question is not Ubuntu related. Try #networking
[18:02] <qwebirc20092> leftyfb: thank you
[18:04] <tomreyn> kinghat: you need to run both to get the current list of upgradeable packages
[18:08] <kinghat> tomreyn: is there something i can look up that you can combine highly repeated commands into a short one?
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: you can combine them inside of a bash script. Then all you have to do is call your bash script
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: how to write bash scripts is outside of the scope of this channel, but there are plenty of tutorials on how to do it on the web. You can also ask in the #bash channel for help
[18:10] <kinghat> so it would be like setting up a ssh config file?
[18:10] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: no
[18:12] <tomreyn> kinghat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BashScripting https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/backup-shellscripts.html.en
[18:12] <kinghat> thanks guys
[18:16] <troddi44> i heard someone say that
[18:18] <BluesKaj_> kinghat, check out aliases too
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj_: Can aliases run two commands as one?
[18:19] <teward> pragmaticenigma: if you chain them yes, alias foobar="echo foo && echo bar" works
[18:19] <BluesKaj_> pragmaticenigma,  yes if you join them with && or ;
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj_: would a bash function be more effective?
[18:20] <BluesKaj_> well you place the alsiases in .bashrc
[18:20] <x2> functions are if you want to use arguments
[18:21] <BluesKaj_> aliases even
[18:21] <BluesKaj_> !aliases
[18:21] <troddi44> what
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> x2: An argument isn't a requirement of having a function
[18:22] <BluesKaj_> !info alias
[18:22] <BluesKaj_> heh, bummer
[18:24] <teward> BluesKaj_: erm...
[18:24] <teward> isn't that an internal?
[18:24] <teward> and therefore not in its own package :p
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> teward: I think it was a test to see if there was a ubottu topic for either
[18:25] <teward> ah
[18:25] <BluesKaj_> we used to have topic info with ubottu iirc
[18:27] <BluesKaj_> pragmaticenigma, for example in .bashrc I use,  alias uu='sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade'
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj_: That's cool. I just wasn't aware you could string together like that. I figured aliases where meant to shorthand common commands like ls -l => ll
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> but allowed you to add more arguments to counter or augment the alias
[18:29] <Simonious> ah ha.. dd and cat BOTH have the problem of turning 0A to 0D 0A.. however they both copy files correctly.. this implies that something is wrong with the serial settings that is translating 0A to 0D
[18:29] <BluesKaj_> I even use aliases for my vpn connection, they're very flexible
[18:29] <Simonious> err 0A to 0D 0A
[18:32] <BluesKaj_> pragmaticenigma, combined with  username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in the sudoers file one can shorten all kinds of pw required commands
[18:33] <kinghat> so is `alias uu='sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade'` setting the alias in the file or is that the string you have to set in `.bashrc`?
[18:33] <BluesKaj_> in .bashrc
[18:34] <Simonious> dang even stty -F /dev/ttyUSB$2 speed 115200 raw produces the conversion of 0A to 0D 0A
[18:35] <kinghat> are these just called 'bash aliases'?
[18:37] <BluesKaj_> yes
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> Simonious: I think the issue is that the tty groups are interpretted as terminals... not devices, which may trigger the conversion
[18:40] <Simonious> pragmaticenigma: solved: stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 speed 115200 raw
[18:40] <Simonious> cat pump1.bin > /dev/ttyUSB0
[18:40] <Simonious> raw was the missing keyword
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> oh... there ya go!
[18:40] <Simonious> pragmaticenigma: additional information here: https://www.computerhope.com/unix/ustty.htm
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> thanks Simonious
[18:43] <Simonious> yeah, now dd and cat both perform as expected.. when they both did the same bad thing.. obviously my problem was elsewhere
[18:43] <Simonious> for a while I thought it was my code on the far side catching the data.
[18:43] <rdz> hey all. is there a magnifying glass for ubuntu 18.04 desktop (a.k.a. gnome 3)?
[18:43] <Simonious> then a buddy suggested examining my serial settings..  a second mind is a handy thing
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> Simonious: I was coming around to that myself... just wasn't find a forum site that explained it well enough for me to feel it was relevant to solving your issue.
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> rdz: In settings, under "Universal Access" there is the ability to enable a magnifier
[18:48] <rdz> pragmaticenigma, thanks
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> rdz: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/33733
[18:50] <kinghat> so i created a specific ssh key for a server on my lan and copied it over to the server and its in its authorized keys folder but when i try to connect via ssh it still asks for a password. i would still like to be able to access via password from other devices that dont happen to have the private key so i wont be locked out. what am i missing?
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: did you set a password when you generated the key file?
[18:52] <malonumas> if 4.18.0-13-generic kernel not load, wait for new or try to fix this?
[18:52] <teward> kinghat: erm...
[18:52] <teward> kinghat: you did it wrong.
[18:52] <teward> kinghat: authorized_keys is a *file* where you put the public key strings into for authorized public keys
[18:52] <teward> *not* a folder/directory where you copy generated keys to
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> that too ^ ^ ^
[18:53] <teward> kinghat: remove the 'directory', create the file, and paste in the PUBLIC KEY string for your generated key in there
[18:53] <rdz> pragmaticenigma, thanks for the link. i hoped there'd be a way to dynamically zoom in with mouse scroll
[18:53] <teward> kinghat: then try and SSH from your client where you generated they key to that server where you put the key into the authorized_keys file
[18:53] <teward> kinghat: it should then "just work"
[18:54] <malonumas> if 4.18.0-14-generic kernel not boot, wait for new or try to fix this?
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> rdz: Depending on what you are looking at, pressing the ctrl key while using the scroll up and down will sometimes create a zoom or enlarge text/pictures
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> !repeat malonumas
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> !repeat | malonumas
[18:55] <rdz> pragmaticenigma, in some applications... but having that for the desktop would be handy, too
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> rdz: That's unlikely to ever be available. It would require all application developers to adhere to some pretty strict rules, which already doesn't happen for other features
[18:58] <rdz> pragmaticenigma, i don't get it.. iirc, compiz did exactly that: zoom the whole desktop
[18:58] <rdz> pragmaticenigma, are you saying the zoom feature of gnome requires every single application to support it specifically?
[18:59] <rdz> pragmaticenigma, that sounds pretty odd in my ears
[18:59] <kinghat> pragmaticenigma: I didn't give the key a password. teward: ya I didn't mean to say folder, but it's correctly in the file*. I used `ssh-copy-id`.
[19:00] <rdz> kinghat, check /var/log/auth.log on the server and/or run ssh with -vvvv
[19:01] <rdz> kinghat, often the problem is wrong permissions of the .ssh folder or the file ,ssh/authorized_keys
[19:01] <rdz> though that is unlikely, if you used ssh-copy-id
[19:02] <lordcirth_> rdz, https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y-mag.html.en ?
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> lordcirth_: pretty much the same thing I sent rdz earlier... I think rdz is looking for something more on demand
[19:04] <rdz> lordcirth_, works fine. thanks..
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> but better description on the page lordcirth_ sent, rdz
[19:04] <rdz> lordcirth_, it's just a pitty there is no shortcut for acticating it and a key-combo for zoom in and out
[19:04] <lordcirth_> rdz, you can make a shortcut
[19:05] <rdz> lordcirth_, in dconf-settings?
[19:05] <rdz> lordcirth_, or how can it be configured?
[19:05] <lordcirth_> rdz, just search 'shortcut' in your menu
[19:05] <Simonious> oh.. and to see serial configuration do: stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 (or wherever it lives)
[19:06] <lordcirth_> You can bind arbitrary bash commands to keys
[19:06] <Simonious> oh.. and to see serial configuration do: stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a (or wherever it lives)
[19:06] <rdz> lordcirth_, cool. many thanks!
[19:09] <lordcirth_> I'm using sssd on several Ubuntu machines, and my co-worker who manages the AD servers says that sssd ignores the memberOf field and does expensive lookups instead. Is there a config option to fix this?
[19:13] <tomreyn> malonumas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1814555
[19:19] <zetheroo> How can I troubleshoot what the issue is when after suspend my system gui seems glitchy? For example the launcher seems to duplicate when the cursor hovers over it ...
[19:23] <kinghat> wth is going on here? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/456735f9/
[19:24] <tomreyn> !details | zetheroo
[19:28] <zetheroo> tomreyn: After resuming after suspend (by opening the laptop lid) the login doesn't appear .. instead it's straight to the desktop, but it's all broken, as in cannot open any apps etc ... so I close the lid again and reopen it ... then the login screen appears and I login, but the launcher on the left of the screen is in duplicates when the mouse cursor hovers over.
[19:29] <tomreyn> kinghat: as the message says, -o requires an argument
[19:29] <kinghat> ya i was confused about the not a file part. figured out its -u not -o.
[19:30] <tomreyn> zetheroo: which ubuntu release?
[19:30] <tomreyn> which hardware?
[19:30] <kinghat> rdz: are these correct? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0e204250/
[19:32] <tomreyn> kinghat: should not cause problems.
[19:32] <kinghat> i just dont get why i have to use a password to log into the server even though i have the key set and have the key locally.
[19:33] <Barabacha> how can I remap alt-tab to have alt-escape behaviour?
[19:34] <tomreyn> kinghat: is your ssh key password protected?
[19:37] <kinghat> nope. none of them are tomreyn.
[19:40] <tomreyn> kinghat: you can use ssh with multiple -v to get a better idea of what's happening in terms of authentication methods when you connect. also check the servers' log if you have access.
[19:41] <tomreyn> maybe client or server just prefer password authentication over public key authentication
[19:42] <zetheroo> tomreyn: Also the notification area on the top right of the screen isn't showing any app icons, only the settings icons. Ubuntu 18.04 on Thinkpad T420 Intel gfx
[19:43] <mircx1> Hello this a possible install mbedtls in ubuntu 14.04?
[19:44] <zetheroo> tomreyn: lspci --> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ZCVzrJQC6x/
[19:44] <mircx1> someone please?
[19:44] <kinghat> tomreyn: it looks like it finds it but just goes to password: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6ae3618b/
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> mircx1: Ubuntu 14.04 is nearing end of life, also, for something like TLS support it's so old that other required supporting libraries will not be available. Recommendation is that you start migrating to either Ubuntu 16.04 or 18.04
[19:50] <g0rge> how we doing everyone?
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: welcome to ubuntu support, please note that greetings are welcome, but chat is not. If you would like to chat, please head over to #ubuntu-offtopic for general topics
[19:58] <g0rge> sorry dropped...satellite internet at the moment...did anyone respond by chance?
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: welcome to ubuntu support, please note that greetings are welcome, but chat is not. If you would like to chat, please head over to #ubuntu-offtopic for general topics
[19:59] <g0rge> understood...present for technical support if this is the correct place by chance...long time since i used irc
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: Yes, this is the place to receive help with Ubuntu related support
[20:00] <g0rge> I'm having an X related issue under 18.10 currently that I haven't been able to solve with nvidia 420.x
[20:01] <kunal> I am getting Dummy Output inside Sound Settings. I have tried various fixes, none of them work for me. Can anyone please help?
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> kunal: did you follow the previous advice and reinstall?
[20:02] <kunal> yes
[20:02] <kunal> I am on Ubuntu 18.04 1 LTS
[20:03] <g0rge> my issue is...the nvidia driver is seeing two screens...my system is only seeing one screen on probe...i have kde running on one screen reliably...but if i scroll to my second screen im still getting display, i see like an old old school x cursor with it tracking my mouse but i can't get display from both through the system
[20:03] <aldcor> hello!
[20:03] <cryptodan> kunal: did sound work in a live session as booted from the installation media?
[20:04] <kunal> Sound works on windows (i have dual boot)
[20:04] <kunal> I did not update from installation media, I updated from CLI
[20:04] <g0rge> onboard sound or with a sound card kunal?
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: you haven't installed or are running with Wayland by chance?
[20:06] <kunal> I have a laptop (DELL Inspiron), but the sound doesn't work even when I plug in headphones
[20:07] <aldcor> could it be that by changing ubuntu.css smth goes wrong in a way that i cannot login via loginscreen? It just turns black and drops me back to login screen. I did some changes in css related to loginscreen background. I rebooted each time i made some change in css file because i had no success and then after one more reboot loginscreen error happened. I changed css back to default and still i cant login via loginscren
[20:07] <g0rge_> hmmm i dont think ive put anything wayland in pragmaticenigma...i installed an app a couple weeks ago and ive been playing with my drivers off and on and looking things up for a couple weeks now trying to figure it out
[20:08] <g0rge_> its not serious...but i cant get a second display to come up properly...
[20:09] <g0rge_> its sort of like my second screen is being driven by an x server with no shell/desktop manager....
[20:10] <kunal> Do you need any details specific to my laptop?
[20:11] <kimberly_> a
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> kunal: what do you mean updated from CLI...
[20:12] <kunal> I ran the command sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:13] <aldcor> i am on ubuntu 18.04
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> kunal: that's not what you were asked to do before... You were asked to use a boot drive and freshly install Ubuntu 18.04
[20:14] <g0rge> sorry...internet chokes here...
[20:14] <g0rge> so yeah...my mouse will track to my second screen...but my screens arent duplicating or extending or any such thing now
[20:15] <g0rge> no matter the iterations of basic option changes ive tried in the nvidia driver settings panel
[20:16] <kunal> installing a fresh copy from a boot device is the last resort, that's the reason I tried this Live Support
[20:16] <g0rge> it took me so long to build what i have over this connection lol...
[20:16] <g0rge> i think i simply have just a settings problem in x or nvidia at the moment
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> kunal: You wouldn't have been told to fresh install by the previous person, if the support hadn't gone there. If you want support, you can't disappear for a few hours and then come back and expect a new result.
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> kunal: Use the installation media... you don't have to install, but at least boot using the Live ISO and see if your computer has sound. If it does, then we know that the issue is with your current install and a fresh install is required. If it doesn't work, then you know that your sound card has other issues and Ubuntu is possibly not compatible
[20:19] <kunal> I am sorry for closing the chat, I was installing this latest version. And okay, I will try what you're saying, TIA!
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: As far as the monitor situation, I'm not certain. My guess is something didn't get installed properly. Since you have a limited connection, did you verify the installation media before intall?
[20:19] <kunal> !quit beback
[20:19] <temp_man> hi guys
[20:20] <tomreyn> zetheroo: is this an upgraded system, or did you install 18.04 fresh there? can you reboot, suspend and return and post the url returned by this: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:20] <temp_man> sorry about using a temporary user, I was here early trying to understand what was going on with my wireless card, that worked on manjaro and windows but not ubuntu. I noticed that in manjaro and ubuntu, diferent firmwares are being used by the OS
[20:21] <temp_man> manjaro informs loaded firmware version 38.755cfdd8.0 op_mode iwlmvm
[20:21] <temp_man> ubuntu informs version 34
[20:21] <tomreyn> zetheroo: also, assuming you 'Re using the default gnome-shell based desktop, do you have any gnome extensions installed (other than what ubuntu comes with)?
[20:21] <g0rge> well, its an older install @pragmaticenigma
[20:21] <temp_man> how can I force the OS to also use version 38?
[20:21] <g0rge> so i installed an app and chose a bad option i think and it jacked a setting...it was xbmc actually...
[20:21] <owner> hola
[20:22] <pragmaticenigma> temp_man: please try to chat on one line and avoid using the enter key for punctuation
[20:22] <zetheroo> tomreyn: fresh install.  I am in the middle of answering some emails ... do I have to reboot?
[20:22] <Guest10266> hello
[20:22] <g0rge> i chose to force some sort of display option in xbmc and haven't been able to fix it since
[20:22] <temp_man> sorry pragmaticenigma
[20:22] <g0rge> they stated i was seeking os support
[20:22] <Guest10266> sexchat?
[20:22] <zetheroo> tomreyn: this is the URL without a reboot https://termbin.com/1pyc
[20:22] <teward> Guest10266: not on this network.
[20:22] <g0rge> kodi rather...xbmc lol...
[20:22] <tomreyn> kinghat: is the public key listed in line 50 installed on the server you are authenticating against, in /home/kinghat/.ssh/authorized_keys ?
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: what was the option they tried to set in Kodi?
[20:23] <g0rge> the issue occurs regardless of if the app is running or not
[20:23] <tomreyn> zetheroo: should be ok, i'm looking
[20:23] <g0rge> i tried to set some sort of force refresh because it was trying to run on my primary display instead of my secondary display
[20:24] <zetheroo> tomreyn:  oh cool, thanks
[20:24] <kinghat> tomreyn: no its not. the one i gave the server is not that key.
[20:24] <g0rge> i cant recall the xact option
[20:24] <kinghat> tomreyn: but the key i gave the server is on my client.
[20:24] <g0rge> it was through the gui, not a command line bypass or some such thing
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: that's going to help us figure out what went wrong. I'm assuming this was working prior to Kodi changes?
[20:24] <temp_man> anyway. I saw that ubuntu have both versions in the libs/firmaware folder. So I'm guessing I have to block version 34 so version 38 start being used. Can someone point me how can I do that? This is basically the only thing keeping me from using my computer properly.
[20:24] <g0rge> yeah i installed the newest kodi, had no issues...but kodi wanted to play on my first screen and not my secondary display
[20:24] <tomreyn> zetheroo: you seem to have a broken thunderbird extension installed, creating dozens of log entries per second
[20:25] <g0rge> so i was playing with display options in kodi to get it to run toward the second display
[20:25] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: what were those options?
[20:25] <g0rge> i dont have kodi set to run as a system service or any such...but...still have the issue with not getting a second screen running
[20:26] <tomreyn> kinghat: you only have two private keys on the client, or only those two are found, a ds key, which is no longer used by ssh, and an ecdsa key, which is used, but, as you say, not instalel don the server.
[20:26] <tomreyn> kinghat: i meant to write ed25519, noit ecdsa
[20:26] <g0rge> @pragmaticenigma, i really wish i could tell you right now but I'd have to start wiki'ing their new display options i wou;d guess...it was something simple
[20:26] <g0rge> it was like a force blank i think
[20:27] <zetheroo>  tomreyn: ok, but do you really think that that is what is causing the issues with resuming after suspend?
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: Did the second monitor ever work properly before?
[20:27] <g0rge> all the time with just vlc dumped on the second screen sir
[20:28] <kinghat> tomreyn: i have 5 private keys, 1 rsa, and 4 ed25519.
[20:28] <tomreyn> zetheroo: no, but it looks like something you want to 'fix' / prevent, i'm still reading
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: So prior to two months ago, everything was working... then you attempted to install Kodi and things stopped working as expected?
[20:28] <g0rge> so now...if i probed for displays through command...the system sees i only have one screen...nvidia sees i have two...i can still track a mouse with no ui/etc on the 2nd
[20:28] <zetheroo> tomreyn: ah ok... right
[20:29] <g0rge> yes sir @pragmaticenigma ....working for months until i installed the newest kodi ver a week or two ago and changed a display setting internal to kodi
[20:30] <tomreyn> kinghat: sorry, i missed the rsa key in line 46. is this the one you want to authenticate with then? if not, where is the one you're trying to authenticate with?
[20:30] <g0rge> via ui of course...i wasn't configuring via command line and confs @pragmaticenigma
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: If you've been at this for two months, there is too many changes that you probably have done to undo everything. You safest bet, reinstall from scratch. As far as receiving support, make sure you research what is suggested, do not blindly accept what someone tells you.
[20:31] <kinghat> its one of the 4 ed25519 keys. its the one i copied over to the server, the only one thats on the server, tomreyn.
[20:31] <tomreyn> kinghat: and this ed25519 you want to authenticate with, how should you ssh client find it?
[20:31] <g0rge> @pragmaticenigma, i really appreciate your time...i might have a backup i can restore to...i really think it just wrote something to my x/nvidia that i need to undo befor i wipe a few weeks of difficult data aquisition on this connection
[20:32] <g0rge> @pragmaticenigma, i haven't messed with anything beyond basic display settings in both kde/nvidia...and its only been a week and a half of various attempts without going overly deep
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: what I recommend in the future is when you're working on something like this... research, back up, back up again, confirm your back up is good. then make the change.
[20:33] <tomreyn> * youR
[20:33] <sim590> I have installed ubuntu on my machine, but it boots straight into windows. When I go to recovery settings (uefi) I can select ubuntu and it boots into my fresh installed ubuntu. How can I update grub on the efi partition? I tried update-grub so that it makes the system aware of ubuntu, but it doesn't work.
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: The GUI can only do so much, and it's not always the most accurate at making changes
[20:33] <g0rge> haha well im pretty sure my backup is good enough, i know im not LTS etc...and i know its hard to keep up with al;
[20:33] <sim590> Is it certainly related to fastboot? I thought I deactived it.
[20:34] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: If internet connectivity is limited for you, I would recommend sticking to the LTS releases. They occur much less frequently and are much more stable
[20:34] <g0rge> on the best side of me trying to figure this out @pragmaticenigma, you've been the best help that even google couldn't offer me in these two weeks of attempts
[20:36] <g0rge> yeah...i was upgrading from 16 and just wanted to see pretty new stuff for once lol...
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge: did you upgrade to 18.04 ?? because that is LTS
[20:37] <g0rge> fully committed to linux once steamplay hit..
[20:37] <g0rge> nah im at 18.10, did some mod
[20:37] <g0rge> mostly same but did some changes building it up
[20:37] <OerHeks> and now Kodi messes up ?
[20:38] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: I don't think it's Kodi... I think it was bad advice from somewhere
[20:38] <g0rge> yeah...i installed kodi and made a display option change and my second display blanked but has a dead x server that follows my mouse from my functional main screen
[20:39] <TJ-> g0rge: Are you able to pastebin some information?
[20:39] <g0rge_> it sounds like the dumbest issue guys i get it...
[20:40] <zetheroo> tomreyn: I see this pastebin only covers the 4th of Feb ... how can I get journalctl to show today's log?
[20:40] <g0rge_> kodi wouldnt help me, and i spent another week playing with things
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> g0rge_: TJ- asked you if you were able to pastebin information for them
[20:40] <g0rge_> sure, tell me what cmds
[20:40] <g0rge_> i dc'd again...
[20:41] <TJ-> g0rge: if you're on the affected system, first do "sudo apt install pastebinit" then show us the link from  "pastebinit <( cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.d/*}; find /etc/X11 -type f -ls )"
[20:41] <g0rge_> on it, give me a few please
[20:42] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: sounds to me like some additionak config file has been dropped in, thinking we might spot it either by name, or recent timestamp
[20:42] <g0rge_> unable...not found package
[20:42] <g0rge_> oh nvm sp err
[20:42] <TJ-> g0rge_: phew! was beginning to think my typing had gone AWOL
[20:43] <tomreyn> zetheroo: by fixing the thunderbird extension (or just not starting TB), and rebooting, and running the "journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999" command again. the reason it is not complete is that there is a maximum file size for uploads on most pastebins, and your log is huge tdue to the log spam.
[20:43] <g0rge_> erm nsf
[20:43] <g0rge_> maybe im missing the .d
[20:43] <tomreyn> kinghat: did you spot my response there?
[20:43] <g0rge_> its not following that path file or d
[20:44] <TJ-> g0rge_: ahhh, maybe there is nothing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/  ?
[20:44] <TJ-> g0rge_: I always expect something - but if there isn't the shell will pass a literal "*" as a filename
[20:45] <g0rge_> maybe...but i think its another issue...at this moment...i was catching a back brace when pasting off irc here...
[20:45] <zetheroo> tomreyn: Ok, I am going to reboot, suspend, resume and get back to you
[20:45] <tomreyn> zetheroo: to explain, "journalctl -b" gets the system log since you last rebooted. and apparently feb 04 is when you last rebooted
[20:45] <g0rge_> then its telling me cat not found which is the dumbest thing...
[20:45] <tomreyn> zetheroo: ok!
[20:45] <TJ-> g0rge_: are you copy/pasting the command?
[20:45] <g0rge_> i was...im rewriting
[20:45] <zetheroo> tomreyn: ok. chances are suspend will work this time without a hitch :D
[20:46] <TJ-> g0rge: To make it easier, leave off the 'cat' for now, and do just "pastebinit <( find /etc/X11 -type f -ls )"
[20:47] <a-chymera> hi guys, I formerly copied my system contents to an archive like so: `pv /dev/nvme0n1 | pigz mybackup/myhost.gz` how do I copy it back to my drive?
[20:47] <g0rge_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XRf6YTpc4S/
[20:47] <g0rge_> rewrote it...i wasnt sure if there was a tight paranthetical because of a line break
[20:47] <lordcirth_> a-chymera, you did a copy of the whole device? That's kinda inefficient
[20:48] <kinghat> tomreyn: sorry i was afk. doesnt it just look in my .ssh dir for a match?
[20:49] <lordcirth_> Anyway, you can take the file, pipe it through pigz -d, and use pv or dd to put it back - and wipe everything that was there.
[20:49] <kinghat> works when i ssh into a vps with a different key
[20:49] <zetheroo> tomreyn: alright here we do https://termbin.com/ls1j
[20:50] <zetheroo> tomreyn: of course now suspend/resume works without issue. It's really something that only happens after the system has been running for a couple days or so ... and then I just reboot because it's too annoying to work.
[20:51] <g0rge_> @TJ-, that gave a process listing without a ps command in the command line...does that come through the config on the paste? just curious
[20:51] <teward> this will sound a bit crazy but... is there a way for me to install Ubuntu 18.04 Desktop ***without*** installing a bootloader, so I can do a dualboot config with my OTHER Ubuntu 18.04 already installed?  The second 18.04 will just be my 'recovery' environment.
[20:51] <teward> in case I fubar my main env.
[20:52] <g0rge_> @teward/
[20:52] <tomreyn> kinghat: only for files called id_{rsa,dsa,ecdsa,ed25519}, not generally
[20:52] <g0rge_> @teward...i have a setup running 16.04/18.04...but it requires a boot loader
[20:52] <lordcirth_> teward, IIRC, just choose manual partitioning, and when it asks for the grub device, don't install it
[20:53] <teward> that would do it.
[20:53] <teward> lordcirth_: and then standard update-grub on my main 18.04 system too should do it then as well.
[20:53] <teward> ?
[20:53] <TJ-> g0rge_: so, on Jan 31st the xorg.conf was written, and there is a backup of the previous config at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup, on Nov 9th the default display manager was updates (/etc/X11/default-display-manager), on Oct 24th you changed the Breeze theme, and on Oct 5th there was a change to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc
[20:53] <teward> to get to the recov.
[20:53] <tomreyn> kinghat: other than that, files you add to your ssh agent would also work, and files specificed as IdentityFile in~/.ssh/config (and where this matches the Host)
[20:53] <g0rge_> so then you would have to boot via a usb boot key or some such?
[20:53] <lordcirth_> teward, if you have os-prober on the existing one, yeah.
[20:53] <teward> which I do :P
[20:53] <kinghat> tomreyn: so youre saying i need to add it to ssh config?
[20:53] <kinghat> ah yes
[20:54] <g0rge_> oh tj...thats probably the help i needed...i might have an earlier backup that can fix that...
[20:54] <g0rge_> so...i think im using dejadup...
[20:54] <g0rge_> havent used it yet...
[20:54] <g0rge_> but ive been running fairly regular backs
[20:54] <tomreyn> zetheroo: :-/ i'll have a look nevertheless.
[20:54] <TJ-> g0rge_: I don't see anything that stands out that would be changed by kodi in those system settings; Nvidia is set to use 2 GPUs each driving a separate monitor as 2 X screens
[20:54] <kinghat> tomreyn: is it better to add it to agent?
[20:55] <tomreyn> kinghat: what is better depends on your preferences
[20:55] <g0rge_> yeah i know...i cant figure out why it wont just let me set proper display
[20:55] <TJ-> g0rge_: in case this is a per-user profile issue, have you tried creating a new user account and logging in with it - if that isn't affected you know where to look further
[20:55] <g0rge_> but knowing the dates really helps
[20:55] <g0rge_> @TJ-,  yeah i tried a new user lol...its been the dumbest issue
[20:56] <tomreyn> kinghat: use the agent if you have keys with passphrases you don't want to enter every time you connect during a session
[20:56] <kinghat> tomreyn: the only place ive read about adding to ssh agent is github.
[20:56] <TJ-> g0rge_: OK, so if that new user is affected it means the issue is system-config related
[20:56] <g0rge_> ah so dont rollback just yet @TJ- ?
[20:56] <zetheroo> tomreyn: Thanks. I appreciate it. Usually what is running is KeePass, Thunderbird, Pidgin, and Chrome/Chromium. The output you see is with none of them (other than Pidgin) running.
[20:56] <tomreyn> kinghat: "session" -> between reboots of the client
[20:57] <TJ-> g0rge_: from what you're told us, the problem is with the desktop session itself, not the actual X server config though. What does "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" report ?
[20:57] <g0rge_> sddm
[20:58] <TJ-> g0rge_: That infers you are (or were) using KDE Plasma/Kubuntu - is that correct?
[20:58] <tomreyn> kinghat: if you configure IdentityFile's in ~/config per Host it'll be fine, you can still combine it with ssh-agent. i should probably not have brought up the agent in the first place, it's a different, just related, concept. you'll need to specify ssh keys to use unless they match the file names i listed above.
[20:58] <g0rge_> yeah...its 18.10 to kubuntu
[20:58] <tomreyn> zetheroo: ok
[20:59] <TJ-> g0rge_: so now we need to look at the KDE specific config directories, for which I need to do some research!
[20:59] <g0rge_> well...i think i just went to kde on top of a standard ubuntu install...but i hadnt dedicated myself to linux much since way old slack/unix/redhat days
[21:00] <g0rge_> @TJ-, i really appreciate your time here sir
[21:03] <TJ-> g0rge_: when SDDM shows the login greeter, does it appear on both monitors
[21:03] <g0rge__> negative, single screen only since i made the kodi option change
[21:05] <g0rge__> primary display...i can recieve output on both displays if i play with the right options...but it doesnt show on both like one would expect
[21:05] <g0rge__> (satellite internet bombed me out again...
[21:05] <kinghat> tomreyn: i read that openssh only cycles through 5 keys before giving up. i only have 5 so i think it should still work. i added it to ssh config and works now. tyvm.
[21:06] <g0rge> fixed..new nick
[21:06] <sim590> I have installed ubuntu on my machine, but it boots straight into windows. When I go to recovery settings (uefi) I can select ubuntu and it boots into my fresh installed ubuntu. How can I update grub on the efi partition? I tried update-grub so that it makes the system aware of ubuntu, but it doesn't work.
[21:06] <TJ-> g0rge__: OK, so lets look now at sddm: "pastebinit <( find /etc -name '*sddm*' -ls; cat /etc/sddm.conf || true )"
[21:07] <g0rge> pastebinit <( find /etc -name '*sddm*' -ls; cat /etc/sddm.conf || true ) sudo didnt return as well as base user
[21:08] <g0rge> moment sorry wrong paste
[21:08] <g0rge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9syCwY7jV7/
[21:08] <g0rge> if i could request a little self edification...
[21:09] <g0rge> we're looking at logs?
[21:09] <g0rge> and configs?
[21:09] <g0rge> and checking for existence?
[21:10] <g0rge> had to break terminal on a sudo of that command...
[21:11] <tomreyn> zetheroo: so there's nothing obvious. some gnome-shell javascript errors about ibus, but i thinkw e all have those. looks like a normal return from suspend. if you use suspend, i would generally recommend to properly reboot once a day, but that's up to you, of course.
[21:11] <HarlinS> why reboot?
[21:11] <HarlinS> just curious
[21:11] <g0rge_> reconnected...
[21:11] <tomreyn> kinghat: you're welcome.
[21:11] <zetheroo> tomreyn: yeah, I never remember suspend being a particularly strong point with Linux.
[21:12] <HarlinS> zetheroo: have never had much success with it with any laptops I've ever owned.
[21:12] <HarlinS> not enough to keep me using Windows though.
[21:12] <zetheroo> HarlinS: right.
[21:12] <g0rge_> i dunno @zetheroo @HarlinS ...i have great success with suspend in my linux setup compared to windows...
[21:13] <HarlinS> ok, ill take your word for it, g0rge_
[21:13] <HarlinS> Don't get me wrong, I would welcome it :)
[21:13] <tomreyn> zetheroo: if firmware was tested against linux, suspend would probably work ok. but most vendors don't. and then suspend is a bit of a hack as a design in general IMO.
[21:13] <g0rge_> i dunno @ HarlinS ... it would take minutes to wake up in windows
[21:13] <g0rge_> @HarlinS it wakes up pretty darn quick in comparison
[21:14] <HarlinS> Last couple of years, I did give Windows 10 a good college try but found it just absolutely worse than any distro of Linux. I've always been a big evangelist of Linux but thought I'd give it a good try.
[21:14] <HarlinS> g0rge_: hmm maybe I'll revisit it on this ASUS with Ubuntu 18.04.
[21:14] <zetheroo> tomreyn: there just seems to be a lot of errors and warnings ... things not working great ... going on https://termbin.com/djixv
[21:15] <HarlinS> it seems to handle suspend ok on the thinkpad I have from work but I almost never use that thing.
[21:15] <g0rge_> i went to college on unix with barely knowledge of windows beyond dos...
[21:15] <zetheroo> tomreyn: this is now with usual apps (Keepass, TB, Chromium) running
[21:15] <g0rge_> grew up computer poor
[21:15] <HarlinS> g0rge_: eh, you sound like me ;)
[21:15] <g0rge_> so i tried linux before i trid much of windows
[21:16] <TJ-> g0rge_: I'm checking what kodi actually changes now; installing it on a test system
[21:16] <zetheroo> HarlinS: All Thinkpads here ;)
[21:16] <g0rge_> then switched to windows around 95/98/blah blah
[21:16] <TJ-> g0rge_: Cannot see anything obvious in the file lists we've gathered so far
[21:16] <g0rge_> @TJ- accept my messages, i have to owe you for this lol
[21:16] <HarlinS> same here. I simply cannot tolerate Windows any longer. I've gotten to the point now in job interviews that I tell them straight up, I know very little about Windows.
[21:16] <HarlinS> zetheroo: I'm a big fan but now that I have this Asus, I work on that now.
[21:16] <g0rge_> @HarlinS, ive been in the world but ive been back and forth
[21:17] <OerHeks> lets get back to support please, there is also #ubuntu-discuss & #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:17] <HarlinS> g0rge_: yeah same here but only when I absolutely must use MS Office for something that it can only do. Otherwise, LibreOffice is used 99% of the time.
[21:17] <TJ-> g0rge_: we keep support in-channel so everyone can contribute, and so you don't get left in the lurch if someone disappears
[21:17] <tomreyn> zetheroo: the log spam to the end is gnome-system-monitor, the process list / monitor, being denied to inspect other processes by apparmor, a security feature
[21:17] <g0rge_> regardless...my current system resumes SOOOOOOOO much better in linux than in windows...and im not even running ssd with crazy crazy ram, or any such
[21:17] <HarlinS> good to know.
[21:18] <tomreyn> zetheroo: you could probably overcome this by uninstalling the gnome system mnitor snap and instead using the gnome system monitor debian package.
[21:18] <HarlinS> OerHeks: oh right. sorry mate.
[21:18] <g0rge_> well, @TJ- ...youre making progress i dont know how to and i appreciate it beyond anything you'd believe
[21:19] <zetheroo> tomreyn: I was just wondering about that ... the snaps in general seem to take longer to open than deb packages
[21:19] <HarlinS> anyone know how to get irssi to show channel names on different windows?
[21:19] <tomreyn> zetheroo: yes, that's normal.
[21:19] <HarlinS> that was going to be my question until I became intrigued with suspend on Linux :-)
[21:19] <zetheroo>  tomreyn: Ok, good to know. :)
[21:20] <zetheroo>  tomreyn: I thought they were supposed to be 'snapier' :D
[21:20] <g0rge_> hrmmm....@HarlinS...almost installed that or bitchx instead of this to try irc for the first time in ten years...
[21:20] <HarlinS> hmm bitchx ... haven't heard of that one in some time.
[21:21] <g0rge_> lol...im young but old...
[21:21] <tomreyn> zetheroo: there are use cases for them, but personally i'm not going to recommend them most of the time.
[21:21] <hggdh> HarlinS, g0rge: can we please keep on-topic?
[21:21] <HarlinS> right-o
[21:21] <g0rge_> @hggdh, sorry, thank you
[21:21] <TJ-> g0rge_: Wow, I broke it majorly! Was exploring settings, and it tried to change the monitor output, and now all characters are rendered as rectanglular blocks :D
[21:21] <zetheroo> tomreyn: I see
[21:21] <g0rge_> @Tj- so...i found a bug? lol
[21:25] <TJ-> g0rge_: possibly, but I may also have a clue for you. In Kodi's Settings/System/Display there's an option (4th in list) "Blank other displays" and the help text says "In a multi-screen configuration, the screens not displaying this application are blacked out". Now, I'd hope that would only affect things whilst Kodi is running, but...!?
[21:25] <g0rge_> @TJ-, the one person who responded in kodi support said it was os support...
[21:26] <g0rge_> and wouldnt provide words on the matter
[21:26] <g0rge_> yeah @TJ- ...i cant reproduce the problem with kodi active...
[21:27] <TJ-> g0rge_: I'm wondering if that kind of option changes something underlying in some way.
[21:27] <g0rge_> @Tj- had re-run it and de-selected it
[21:27] <g0rge_> @TJ-, dont want to re-run it and kill my current ability to use half of my setup lol
[21:29] <g0rge_> @TJ-, i had hoped the option would just blank or kill my second display...giving my priority on the display i had chosen to display on
[21:29] <g0rge_> @TJ-, but...it jacked all my display settings and without a recover i maybe can't recover them...
[21:30] <TJ-> g0rge_: that's how I read it to work but best to keep in mind, because you did say earlier the only changes you made were via the GUI
[21:31] <g0rge_> @TJ-, kodi said it was OS support and simple wouldnt help me, its a big program and maybe i caught a jerk...
[21:32] <g0rge_> @TJ-, but it sounds like a silly problem worth investigation on both ends
[21:32] <g0rge_> well..three ends more likely
[21:33] <zetheroo> I have been making an initial install of Ubuntu 18.04 on a VM, and after initial setup I make a Clonezilla image and then use that image to deploy on Laptops and Desktops in our company. So far I think this has been working very well but some users are claiming that this process is making their system's more unstable than a fresh install would.
[21:33] <zetheroo> I thought though that the kernel loads all the needed drivers etc .. on boot, so that it should be adaptive to the hardware it's deployed on. Is a deployed Clonezilla Linux image any less trustworthy than a fresh install of Linux?
[21:33] <zetheroo>  
[21:34] <g0rge_> zeth: so much variety likely?
[21:34] <OerHeks> zetheroo, they all would have the same machine ID
[21:35] <TJ-> g0rge_: there are quite a few reports of a similar issue over the years, for systems with multiple GPUs and X screens, I'm digging into some of them
[21:35] <zetheroo> OerHeks: what do you mean by machine ID?
[21:35] <g0rge_> well @TJ- It might be obscure...and im new to coming back to linux
[21:36] <OerHeks> zetheroo, open terminal: hostnamectl
[21:36] <g0rge_> but @TJ- ...its i7, nvidia main boards
[21:36] <g0rge_> @TJ-, i just dont see it being an obscure but of hardware
[21:36] <g0rge_> But*Bit
[21:37] <zetheroo> OerHeks: when is this Machine ID generated? On install or boot?
[21:37] <zetheroo> I see there is also a Boot ID.
[21:37] <g0rge_> on demand
[21:37] <OerHeks> on install, but there are tools to create VMs with theirown machine ID
[21:38] <zetheroo> OerHeks: and if two systems have the same Machine ID ... how would that affect them?
[21:38] <g0rge_> it generated from the system it thinks its running on yes?
[21:38] <g0rge_> a vm can lie to emulated hardware
[21:40] <OerHeks> zetheroo, not sure what services can clash, but there is a tool called systemd-machine-id-setup
[21:40] <OerHeks> IIRC, first remove rm /etc/machine-id
[21:41] <zetheroo> OerHeks: ah ok, I think I did this recently on a VM that I cloned on PVE.
[21:41] <zetheroo> OerHeks: I will check the machine ID's as soon as I can, but other than that ... would there be any reason that a Clonezilla image of Ubuntu would be any less reliable than a fresh install?
[21:42] <OerHeks> besides same user and machine id, no
[21:43] <tomreyn> 14.04 may still have udev mac address issues
[21:43] <zetheroo> OerHeks: so things like device drivers and such are loaded on boot - adaptive to the hardware found at the time of boot ... is that more of less correct?
[21:43] <tomreyn> oh htis is 18.04 ok
[21:44] <zetheroo> tomreyn: yes, 18.04
[21:44] <OerHeks> zetheroo, those are less important in a vm
[21:44] <TJ-> g0rge_: it's beginning to look as if the location of the problem is in the plasma-workspace. Does this affect all desktop sessions you have installed (Kubuntu/KDE, Ubuntu/Gnome ) ?
[21:44] <tomreyn> zetheroo: i'd recommend you regenerate block device uuids
[21:44] <zetheroo>  OerHeks: but the image is deployed on Laptops and Desktops, not on VM's
[21:45] <OerHeks> oh, i understood VMs
[21:45] <tomreyn> zetheroo: also hostnames should be changed, of course, and any static ip address configuration
[21:45] <g0rge_> @Tj- no...its almost like I have two xsessions running...one that works and one that doesn't but both are displaying inpurt/receipt of some kind
[21:46] <tomreyn> zetheroo: and you may run into issues with bios vs uefi booting
[21:46] <tomreyn> zetheroo: have you considered just installing instead?
[21:46] <zetheroo> OerHeks: Sorry, no. The Image is created on a VM, then a cloned image made with Clonezilla, and then deployed to Laptops and Desktops
[21:46] <TJ-> g0rge_: if the mouse can be moved from 1 screen to the other then its all under control of a single X server
[21:46] <g0rge_> @TJ-,  but both see input from at least my mouse...the other can't receive stdio from keyboard because theres nowhere to put anything
[21:47] <zetheroo> tomreyn: hostnames are reset, and networking is all Auto (DHCP)
[21:47] <g0rge_> @TJ-, yeah so ive been fighting nvidia settings for almost two weeks trying to tell both screens to display on one screen lol
[21:48] <zetheroo> tomreyn: the Clonezilla image has PBIS installed and configured for out AD domain. It would be a fair amount more work to do this setup with every install.
[21:48] <TJ-> g0rge_: the separate X screens is perfectly fine; in fact with multiple GPUs it is required to have compositing work on them
[21:48] <zetheroo> tomreyn: 'out' -> our
[21:48] <tomreyn> zetheroo: that's what automation and deployment is for.
[21:48] <TJ-> g0rge_: the problem here is that the display-manager/desktop-session/window-manager are only using one X screen
[21:48] <g0rge_> @TJ-, single GPU card nvidia sees two x servers...i cant point both screens at a single screen
[21:49] <TJ-> g0rge_: the xorg.conf you showed us earlier is configured for TWO separate GPUs
[21:49] <zetheroo> tomreyn: Why did regenerating block device uuid's come to mind?
[21:49] <zetheroo> just as a precaution?
[21:50] <g0rge_> @TJ- so maybe that happened through the kodi gui? (on an aside)? to fix it what can i do?
[21:50] <tomreyn> zetheroo: yes, you don't accidentially want to overwrite the other partition when you swap disks between systems.
[21:50] <TJ-> g0rge_: maybe that's the issue then? Let's see what is in the backup. Show us "pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup"
[21:50] <zetheroo> tomreyn: Ok, I see.
[21:51] <g0rge_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j7HZmxtghj/
[21:51] <zetheroo> tomreyn: but other than that, the same UUID for block devices should not interfere with the daily running of a system ... it's not like this UUID is clashing on the network somehow ... or?
[21:52] <tomreyn> zetheroo: not that i know of. how many systems are you planning on bootstrapping / maintaining this way?
[21:52] <g0rge_> @Tj- i probably can't compare the two shares as easily...ive been awake for far too long lol
[21:52] <zetheroo> I'm wondering ... is there a more "officially supported" method for deploying Ubuntu/Linux pre-setup installs?
[21:53] <tomreyn> zetheroo: preseeding
[21:53] <zetheroo> tomreyn: oh, at the moment it's only about 8 or so ... nothing major
[21:53] <TJ-> g0rge_: that config only has a single X screen... I think it is worth switching back to it and test. "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg{,-2_X_screens}.conf"   and then "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf{.backup,}" then log-out and log-in
[21:53] <tomreyn> !preseed | zetheroo
[21:53] <zetheroo> preseeding?
[21:53] <tomreyn> okay, you'll need to search the web
[21:53] <zetheroo> this is new to me ..
[21:53] <zetheroo> ok
[21:54] <g0rge_> do i need a command between there to reboot @TJ- ?
[21:54] <nekoseam> Discord (snap) doesn't have permission to read files in hidden directories. Any ideas?
[21:54] <TJ-> g0rge_: nope :)
[21:54] <zetheroo> tomreyn: thanks - I got my work cut out for me :)
[21:55] <TJ-> g0rge_: This is Linux; we only need to reboot for changes of kernel, glibc, or systemd init system
[21:55] <g0rge_> k few
[21:55] <OerHeks> nekoseam, that is by design, and discord knows about this feature
[21:55] <nekoseam> any way to change it? on #Solus it worked
[21:55] <OerHeks> ( they will not change it)
[21:55] <OerHeks> it is a snap, right? binairy
[21:55] <nekoseam> Oof
[21:56] <nekoseam> So basically no way to change it?
[21:56] <OerHeks> nope, sorry :-(
[21:57] <tomreyn> zetheroo: profressionally, you'd combine preseeding with pxe booting to install a preconfigured ubuntu, then use configuration deployment such as puppet, ansible, salt, chef etc. to deploy your organizations' defaults.
[21:59] <zetheroo> tomreyn: Ok, we have just been getting started with Ansible for web servers.
[21:59] <tomreyn> zetheroo: but with just 8 systems, at least the configuration deployment may not be worth the effort. although it would make things very quick in case hardware fails, systems need to be redone etc.
[22:01] <tomreyn> zetheroo: also when you want to aplly changes to all systems it'll be very useful.
[22:01] <g0rge> @TJ-, we have made progress...I so wanted to exclaim you for my hero of the years lol
[22:02] <g0rge> @TJ-, it had input on relog...now it has no put
[22:02] <g0rge> @TJ-, i think if i play with nvidia i might hade it
[22:02] <TJ-> g0rge: you have both monitors displaying desktop?
[22:03] <g0rge> @TJ-, nope, it had display of sddm on login, then lost it when i booted to desktop...has nothing showing on second screen once the desktop loaded, haven't touched anything
[22:03] <qwebirc91512> Hi
[22:03] <zetheroo> tomreyn: all true. Atm we are dealing with a few outlier users who insist on customizing the hell out of their systems ... then when an upgrade comes along (16.04 -> 18.04) nothing works and we have to start from scratch ... and they complain about how long it has to take them to re-setup etc ...
[22:03] <qwebirc91512> Anybody noticed that chromium-browser 71.0.3578.98-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 version crashes at startup? I get error message "[24276:24276:0207/212817.817209:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(364)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process."
[22:03] <g0rge> @TJ-, had sddm showing on both prior to loading desk
[22:04] <qwebirc91512> that's all and nothing else except 4 running process that I have to kill manually
[22:04] <g0rge> @TJ-, then...one screen came up, other is now showing nothing like it has no input
[22:04] <TJ-> g0rge: OK, so now retry with a brand new user login, to prove whether or not the issue now is per-user or not.
[22:05] <qwebirc91512> after I delete .config/chromium/Default folder become fixed but I don't want start with a null configured browser every time
[22:05] <g0rge> @TJ- understood, give me a few moments...i think we're not at an nvida config vs a lost x config of some kind though
[22:07] <tomreyn> zetheroo: that's a common situation. you'd have to restrict (by policies) which ubuntu releases they can run, you'd need to prepare those scripts before you can support a new LTS release. so full blown config management is most likely too much overhead for an organization this size. but you could still use ansible with general instructions to just set e.g. dns search domains when needed.
[22:08] <g0rge> @TJ-, back...had a strange screen on second user...but it ran both screens while this primary user doesnt
[22:09] <TJ-> g0rge: aha, we make progress!
[22:09] <g0rge> @TJ-, second screen was asking about multiple display options...like a keyboard alt option that asked for multiple choices of what to do on its primary display as if i had a presentation display occuring
[22:09] <TJ-> g0rge: So now use the primary user's Display Configuration applet to try to enable the 2nd display
[22:10] <g0rge> @TJ-, so attempt to play with nvidia driver settings? or something else?
[22:11] <kreyren> pragmaticenigma: nope just missclicked on DM sry
[22:11] <TJ-> g0rge: Yes to nvidia-settings, but be careful. Only do things like enabling/moving position of the monitors, don't do anything that'd need to affect X screen configurations. If it asks to save a new xorg.conf, refuse it
[22:12] <zetheroo> tomreyn: ok, will dig in there more ... when I am back from holidays :)
[22:12] <g0rge> @TJ- understood...so...app bug or my fault do we figure as we almost end this...and i knew we were making progress lol
[22:13] <TJ-> g0rge: I'm not sure yet, we may still fail
[22:14] <g0rge> @TJ-, my second screen was listed disabled in nvidia after my changes, changing it to enabled with xscreen0 similar to my primary display gives me similar expected previous output
[22:14] <g0rge> @TJ-, i havent saved any changes
[22:14] <TJ-> g0rge: You're seeing a desktop on both monitors?
[22:14] <g0rge> if i keep this change and save it i suppose @TJ-
[22:16] <TJ-> g0rge: OK, let it save, and then I think you have to log-out/log-in to test it. It shouldn't need an xorg.conf file at all for this kind of configuration though - it should all be automatic.
[22:16] <TJ-> g0rge: If this doesn't work we can try removing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf completely because it may auto-configure as you want it then
[22:16] <g0rge_> dc'd @TJ-
[22:16] <TJ-> g0rge: OK, let it save, and then I think you have to log-out/log-in to test it. It shouldn't need an xorg.conf file at all for this kind of configuration though - it should all be automatic.
[22:16] <g0rge_> @TJ- it appears we fixed it...
[22:16] <TJ-> g0rge_: really?
[22:16] <g0rge_> @TJ- if i was to save it
[22:17] <g0rge_> @TJ- as far as through the nvidia settingsd
[22:17] <TJ-> g0rge_: go ahead
[22:17] <g0rge_> done, reboot come back, report? lolo
[22:17] <TJ-> g0rge_: Yes, although you only need to log-out/log-in (that restarts the X server) - no reboot required
[22:23] <g0rge> @TJ-, well..reboot enforced as a result of a momentary power loss given an ice storm...but we have fixed it :)
[22:24] <g0rge> @TJ-...so what did we do...rolled back an xconf?
[22:24] <TJ-> g0rge: Yes, that looks to be it
[22:24] <g0rge> @TJ- think kodi caused it tbh...only option i played with before it resulted
[22:25] <TJ-> g0rge: presumably the Kodi 'fix' for appearing on the wrong monitor, or across both, is to separate the monitors onto separate X screens!
[22:25] <g0rge> @TJ- bad fix lol...
[22:25] <g0rge> @Tj- i can't tell you how much i appreciate the time you've given me
[22:34] <g0rge> banana clones
[22:36] <compdoc> are they safe to eat?!
[23:14] <OerHeks> bug 1
[23:20] <genii> OerHeks: Weird that it specifically mentions Malaysia
[23:41] <ash_worksi>  +1 for gist syntax highlighting for .sh-session extensions :)
[23:42] <ash_worksi> although I wish it were able to generate a sub-parser for sh commands if such a language exists; like for sed.
[23:42] <ash_worksi> anyone know if a pastebin that does that?
[23:45] <ash_worksi> for example, something that combines these two syntax highlights: https://gist.github.com/ash-m/0e18ff6a3bde400cce95c1045b3bc6cb