[00:00] <CarlFK> OerHeks: you should watch the vid and rethink your assessment ;)
[00:00] <qwebirc61792> what vid?
[00:00] <CarlFK> qwebirc61792:    mra90: one more for you: Benno Rice -  The Tragedy of systemd -  http://youtu.be/o_AIw9bGogo
[00:02] <mra90> CarlFK: I will play that tonight for sleep
[00:03] <Guest12652> i play pokemon go every day
[00:05] <ubuntu> ssssss
[00:15] <h4xx0r_n00b> Hello all
[00:22] <captainfixerpc14> Good evening Uncle Perry - I have a video query on my PC if ye might have a minute or two please?:-)
[00:22] <solomonxie> Hi
[00:23] <captainfixerpc14> sorry
[00:39] <pragmaticenigma> captainfixerpc14: typically it works best if you state your issue in as much detail and at one time. If someone knows or thinks they can help, they will reach out. Remember to keep the conversation in channel so others can learn and help too.
[00:40] <naptastic> I used debmirror to set up an Ubuntu mirror, and it works for updates, but not for the installer. It's looking for a file dists/bionic/restricted/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages. How do I get debmirror to fetch that stuff?
[00:41] <OerHeks> linuxuserkbd please not again
[00:41] <LinuxuserKBD> What?
[00:41] <OerHeks> LinuxuserKBD, again like yesterday, multiple login, what is going on?
[00:42] <LinuxuserKBD> sorry
[00:42] <LinuxuserKBD> I am not sure if it's because I pit my px to sleeping by closing the lid and then come back
[00:43] <CarlFK> naptastic: you might want to check out https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/squid-deb-proxy and squid-deb-proxy-client
[00:43] <CarlFK> naptastic: it's different, but might be what you want
[00:44] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: That isn't the same thing ... debmirror actually holds the packages locally and downloads newer version automatically... squid proxy is for the benefit of multiple machines accessing the same resource within a specific amount of time
[00:44] <CarlFK> naptastic: er..   actually its pretty far frm what you want
[00:46] <CarlFK> pragmaticenigma: your description fits squid too.  but looks like neither of them deal with the installer images
[00:48] <pragmaticenigma> naptastic: I'm sure there is a way, but you might ask in #ubuntu-server or ask again during the work week. It's pretty dead in here about this time
[01:01] <naptastic> CarlFK, pragmaticenigma, thanks for the help. I got it! :)
[01:49] <ravenlos> I am trying to set up a Linux pc for my daughter to use for school, what is the best way to ensure safe internet use and avoid adult content?
[01:51] <NorthwestVegan> you could set up a dns filter i guess raven
[01:51] <NorthwestVegan> i use adblock on opwnwrt to do my dns blacklists
[01:52] <OerHeks> lots of options, indeed
[01:52] <OerHeks> https://www.opendns.com/setupguide/#familyshield
[01:53] <ravenlos> Awesome, thank you
[01:53] <OerHeks> for browsers there are tons of plugins
[02:01] <partlycloudy> folks, i have a routing issue. my external network is on VLAN 100. here is my interfaces file (https://pasted.tech/l/b220aae4267ab55b) with public ip masked.
[02:02] <partlycloudy> i cannot ping the public ip from internet, without setting a gateway to eno1.100.
[02:04] <partlycloudy> here is the routing table https://pasted.tech/pastes/947f6e86509075f3c34611d09c3ecac56694753a (with the public ip masked)
[02:06] <partlycloudy> why can't i reach the public ip on eno1.100 from outside without giving it a gateway?
[02:25] <qwebirc18721> hey guys, i'm having a problem with getting my network adapter to work within linux. does anyone think they could try to help me?
[02:38] <tonyt> some poeple should learn how to turn auto reconnect off
[02:44] <chalcedony> heh
[02:46] <chalcedony> my husband recently upgraded to 18.04 and now we have to reinstall his printer. it's a canon pixma ts9120 and he's got the drivers for it from canon.. but no directions we can find
[02:53] <xamithan> drivers ?
[02:53] <xamithan> Just install them,  why need directions
[03:04] <chalcedony> xamithan, it's not working
[03:05] <chalcedony> maybe i just don't know
[03:05] <xamithan> Why not
[03:05] <xamithan> Doesn't cannon give them out as RPMs ?
[03:05] <chalcedony> um?
[03:06] <pedrocr> Is there a way to recursively install all "Recommends:" packages starting from ubuntu-desktop for example?
[03:07] <pedrocr> I botched a kubuntu uninstall and have had to recover the system by reinstalling some packages that had been removed
[03:07] <pedrocr> now I'm probably missing some recommended packages that are installed by default but haven't been brought in yet from just dependencies
[03:10] <chalcedony> xamithan, we got it here https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/printers/inkjet-multifunction/ts-series-inkjet/ts9020-white/pixma-ts9020?tab=drivers_downloads
[03:10] <chalcedony> there are lots of parts to it
[03:12] <xamithan> so its a deb.tar.gz
[03:12] <xamithan> untar it then dpkg -i filename.deb
[03:12] <xamithan> it should have a manual with it
[03:13] <chalcedony> hmm
[03:13] <FurretUber> Hi, is there a 4.20 kernel signed by Canonical available?
[03:14] <xamithan> then you restart cups and hopefully it works
[03:14] <chalcedony> so it still uses cups?
[03:14] <xamithan> as far as I know,  yes
[03:15] <pedrocr> FurretUber: maybe this? https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[03:15] <FurretUber> Unfortunately they don't work as they are unsigned
[03:16] <pedrocr> FurretUber: strange, you're looking for something that will work with secureboot?
[03:16] <FurretUber> Yes. After this update grub is refusing to boot unsigned kernels. I need at least 4.20-rc7 because a crash bug I was facing is fixed on it
[03:17] <pedrocr> seems like disco is still on 4.19
[03:18] <coderipper> just took the grub update.  so i guess you're saying you should be able to rollback to a previous kernel to boot?
[03:18] <FurretUber> Well, I can use the 4.18.0-15 that is signed, but using it is not really safe on this computer because it may crash randomly
[03:20] <ryuo> FurretUber: so disable secure boot.
[03:21] <qwebirc36104> Hey there, I'm having an issue where if I'm trying to browse files (e.g. selecting a workspace in Eclipse, trying to unzip something), I can't view the file browser. The window I was in gets grayed out as though something was opened on top, but nothing shows. Clicking the Files app in the sidebar works fine. Anyone able to help out? I'm running Ubuntu 18 off of a USB drive on Mac OS
[04:08] <chull> My husband's Ubuntu 18.04 isn't seeing the printer, I'm not sure what else to do.
[04:08] <chull> ?
[04:09] <widescreen> hi there, I'm trying to find out what is using /dev/sda1 - its not in fstab, its not mounted, its not in dmsetup, is there a command i can used to identify what processes are using this?
[04:09] <widescreen> (i have tried rebooting) doesnt work
[04:10] <thatlizdude> do i really need 256 MiB EFI partition to install Pop!_OS or is there a workaround for that?
[04:10] <widescreen> google states - "you use lsblk and blkid to identify who is using /dev/sda1" but i dont see how
[04:11] <OerHeks> widescreen, sudo fdisk -l can tell
[04:11] <OerHeks> thatlizdude, we don't know, this is ubuntu support only
[04:12] <thatlizdude> it's based on Ubuntu, that's not enough? :(
[04:12] <thatlizdude> i thought the install process was similar
[04:12] <OerHeks> no
[04:12] <thatlizdude> ok
[04:12] <widescreen> OerHeks: yes it can, but I'm trying to create LVM, using pvcreate  i get "Can't open /dev/sdn1 exclusively.  Mounted filesystem?"
[04:12] <OerHeks> maybe thetheir own channel here on freenode
[04:12] <OerHeks> !alid
[04:12] <OerHeks> !alis
[04:13] <qwebirc16078> Hey there, having an issue where my  file browser doesn't show up in other applications (e.g. choosing an Eclipse workspace, choosing where to extract a zip file, etc.). I'm running Ubuntu 18 on a USB drive on Mac. Anyone able to help me out?
[04:16] <OerHeks> investigate the volume?  pvdisplay, or with gparted/disks utility
[04:23] <qwebirc16078> I ran pvdisplay, but nothing seemed to come up. I could be doing it wrong though, I just downloaded Ubuntu today. What's strange to me is that the normal file explorer works fine, it just doesn't show up in other applications.
[04:43] <DarwinElf> MLDonkey is broken
[04:43] <DarwinElf> KMLDonkey, that is
[04:44] <DarwinElf> 'Attention! This core is running with glibc 2.27 but it was compiled with glibc 2.26. This can lead to unexpected behaviour. Consider compiling the core yourself or getting a binary compiled with glibc 2.26'--mlnet
[04:44] <DarwinElf> (mlnet being a dependency for (k)mldonkey)
[04:46] <drama> DarwinElf, do you have mldonkey-gui
[04:48] <OerHeks> DarwinElf, did you install  a newer kernel?
[04:52] <DarwinElf> i have KMLDonkey
[04:52] <DarwinElf> but the issue is not with that, it's with mlnet.  Installing a newer kernel won't solve it
[04:52] <DarwinElf> it just hasn't been updated recently enough by the maintainers
[04:53] <DarwinElf> is this what you get for forking Debian... some packages that are older than everyone using it?
[04:53] <DarwinElf> LoL
[05:25] <MJCD> Heyyyyy
[05:25] <MJCD> I wanna go back to wayland
[05:25] <MJCD> I saw gdk 3 and kde support it
[05:25] <MJCD> but that's kinda fat
[05:25] <MJCD> I tried swaywm but for the latest version it requires ubuntu 19 nightlies
[05:26] <MJCD> which isn't doable, need LTS
[05:26] <MJCD> these are for ultralight gui instances not just basic ssh shells
[05:27] <MJCD> running 13 copies of gnome or kde does not appeal to me haha
[05:27] <MJCD> I tried swaywm which seemed great
[05:27] <MJCD> so after something along those lines
[05:28] <MJCD> sway isnt much good as the version 0.15 is all that will run on ubuntu 18
[05:28] <MJCD> other than that I liked it a lot
[05:29] <MJCD> or lxde, even Qt5
[05:29] <MJCD> if anyone is able to offer any guidance :)
[05:29] <DarwinElf> 'back' to Wayland?  I thought its new?
[05:29] <DarwinElf> you'd go 'back' to something like X, right?
[05:29] <MJCD> they switched back to xorg in 18.04
[05:30] <MJCD> so no I want to go back to wayland
[05:30] <DarwinElf> oh
[05:30] <MJCD> and I don't want Unity anyway
[05:30] <MJCD> so heavy
[05:30] <MJCD> literally even having animations I cant turn off is problematic
[05:31] <DarwinElf> yeah, what assholes programmed that?
[05:31] <MJCD> lol some, somewhere
[05:31] <DarwinElf> shoving animations down your throat
[05:31] <MJCD> lubuntu and xubuntu both let you turn it all off
[05:31] <MJCD> so cant be too mad
[05:32] <MJCD> the main ubuntu is made for idiots
[05:32] <MJCD> who like shiney things
[05:32] <MJCD> lol
[05:32] <DarwinElf> sounds even worse than KDE5
[05:33] <MJCD> haha it is
[05:34] <DarwinElf> usually I use Unix and the oldest, only strictly Unix-like GNU/Linux, so i wish I could help you switch to Wayland (but can't)
[05:36] <MJCD> lol why are you in #ubuntu not #linux then
[05:36] <MJCD> ;p
[05:37] <Laibsch> Hi, I'm looking for an e-mail notification applet (I've looked into biff variants, mail-notification and mailnag so far).  Requirements is support for IMAP IDLE push notification and has to run under unity.  Sounds pretty basic, but I came up empty-handed so far.  Suggestions?  Anyone got the biff-variants working?
[05:37] <DarwinElf> MJCD, well currently I'm using this for something and Linux is only the kernel
[05:38] <MJCD> Laibsch, what was wrong with any of the ones you listed haha
[05:38] <MJCD> DarwinElf, hehe fair enough
[05:39] <DarwinElf> after the oldest GNU/Linux (which obviously has its own channel) gets AMD Radeon RX Vega drivers, I'll erase Ubuntu right off my SSD and revert to what I used most my life
[05:39] <DarwinElf> maybe even go back to a BSD Unix
[05:39] <Laibsch> MJCD: mailnag does not support IMAP IDLE. mail-notification and the others don't seem to work as in do anything.  I might be doing something wrong, of course.  mail-notification was removed recently, so that's not so great, but I'm willing to use old software if it does the job NOW. ;-)
[05:39] <MJCD> lols
[05:39] <Miguel2013> Why my usb drive with ubuntu won't boot from 2 different laptops but it boots from my desktop tower
[05:39] <MJCD> but ubuntu makes things so... easy
[05:39] <DarwinElf> not from my viewpoint
[05:39] <MJCD> Miguel2013, is it a usb 3 stick?
[05:40] <MJCD> and maybe the others only have usb 2
[05:40] <DarwinElf> 'Attention! This core is running with glibc 2.27 but it was compiled with glibc 2.26. This can lead to unexpected behaviour. Consider compiling the core yourself or getting a binary compiled with glibc 2.26'--mlnet
[05:40] <Miguel2013> MJCD, I'm not sure how can I check ))
[05:40] <MJCD> Miguel2013, connector should be blue
[05:40] <MJCD> inside
[05:41] <Miguel2013> how do I tell the usb drive is 3 or 2
[05:41] <MJCD> I just said
[05:41] <MJCD> -_-
[05:42] <Miguel2013> but
[05:42] <Miguel2013> what if is counterfeit and only has that color]
[05:42] <Miguel2013> is there another way
[05:42] <MJCD> counterfitters cant afford blue plastic instead of black?
[05:42] <MJCD> lol
[05:42] <MJCD> I mean sure
[05:42] <MJCD> plug it into the working tower
[05:42] <MJCD> go into device manager
[05:42] <MJCD> open it up and look at its properties
[05:43] <MJCD> should be something with USB_3
[05:43] <MJCD> or otherwise
[05:45] <Miguel2013> okey so is usb3' what's the problem
[05:49] <Miguel2013> is this a limitation? both pcs have uefi and I tried enable/disable and it shows same problem I'm dropped into a root shell with messages like I should type systemctl default etc, if I do normal boot after 3 minutes it returns to this screen and if I press enter it drops into a root shell
[05:50] <drama> Miguel2013, what's the file system on the usb stick?
[05:50] <DarwinElf> well then you type systemctl default.  Do you even know what it does?
[05:50] <DarwinElf> it starts the GUI
[05:51] <drama>  Laibsch, mail-notification ?
[05:53] <MJCD> if its usb 3 it needs a usb 3 slot
[05:53] <MJCD> aka not a black one
[05:54] <Miguel2013> drama, ext
[05:54] <Miguel2013> it has latest ubuntu mate
[05:54] <drama> hmm...
[05:54] <MJCD> when you made the boot usb
[05:54] <Miguel2013> DarwinElf, but it returns to the same prompot
[05:54] <MJCD> did you use uefi
[05:54] <Miguel2013> DarwinElf, same drive boots fine on desktop
[05:55] <Miguel2013> yes both
[05:55] <Miguel2013> disable and enable
[05:55] <MJCD> no its part of the partitioning of your drive
[05:55] <Miguel2013> MJCD, true so hmmm is probably as mbr?
[05:56] <Miguel2013> how to tell I think I saw it as efi in a foldeer
[05:56] <MJCD> easiest: just use rufus to make the boot usb
[05:56] <MJCD> and yeah then when you select a boot device
[05:56] <MJCD> make sure its UEFI USB Thing
[05:56] <MJCD> not just USB Thing
[05:57] <MJCD> you may also need to disable secureboot
[05:57] <Miguel2013> MJCD, okey I'm getting this
[05:57] <MJCD> which would break any OS currently installed
[05:57] <pragomer> I want to disable the f10 key functionality of gnome because I often work with midnight commander. according to most tutorials I have to install ccsm to disable f10 system wide. is there a solution with having to install ccsm ?
[05:58] <MJCD> pragomer, the only way  can think of is to directly modify the keymap being used by xorg
[05:59] <MJCD> just completely remove F10
[05:59] <DarwinElf> no, it wouldn't break 'any' OS, just some
[05:59] <pragomer> but I will need it for midnight commmander
[06:00] <Miguel2013> is there a way to change from mbr to uefi and viceversa in a drive
[06:00] <Miguel2013> or do I have to reinstall theos
[06:00] <MJCD> you still have an mbr on the drive with a uefi bootloader
[06:00] <MJCD> the uefi is what kicks that off
[06:01] <pragomer> ah no, I see: it is just an option to uncheck in gnome-terminal. cool.
[06:01] <pragomer> that worked
[06:01] <Miguel2013> k, so can I rewrite the mbr on the drive
[06:01] <Miguel2013> and bot
[06:01] <MJCD> Miguel2013, ofcourse
[06:02] <Miguel2013> okey I'll give it a shot
[06:03] <Miguel2013> so if it says guid is eufi and mbr is bios
[06:03] <Miguel2013> ?
[06:17] <Miguel2013> friends?
[06:19] <Root13> Hey, I just started using irc, was wondering if theres any way to see previous group messages?
[06:22] <systemfault> No, sometimes, channels keep logs of the conversations but no, IRC is too old :p
[06:23] <Root13> Ok, so is there any way to check if the channel Im on stores
[06:23] <Root13> their logs?
[06:24] <Ben64> no universal way
[06:25] <Root13> Got it, thanks !
[06:31] <Miguel2013> can I convert a mbr disk to gpt without having to delete my exitent partitions?
[06:32] <Miguel2013> hello :)
[06:37] <Me> Hello
[06:38] <Guest62758> Hello
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> welcome Guest62758
[06:49] <client35> what's a good way to set up wakeonlan? I've been searching online but not sure if I need to use the package? I believe I have the setting turned on in my bios as well.
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> client35: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WakeOnLan
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> client35: just not sure how this fits with netplan lately
[06:52] <client35> sec brb
[07:04] <ir7466> I keep getting 404 errors on an install, like this
[07:04] <ir7466> "E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php7.1/php7.1-bcmath_7.1.25-1+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+1_amd64.deb  404  Not Found"
[07:04] <ir7466> does anyone know how to fix it?
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: we dont support external ppa's here mate
[07:04] <ir7466> It;s when i run: "sudo apt-get install php7.1-bcmath"
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: contact the maintainer of the ppa, for troubles
[07:05] <ir7466> Is there a way I can change it to an internal ppa?
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: we strongly advice to use the packages from the official ubuntu ppa's
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | ir7466
[07:06] <ir7466> okay, let me try that. thanks :)
[07:06] <ir7466> so "sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa" ?
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: after you removed external ppa, sudo apt update and try apt-cache search yourpackage to see whats available
[07:07] <ir7466> how do I know the name of this ppa so I can remove it?
[07:07] <ir7466> I guess I need to replace "ubuntu-mozilla-daily" with somethingelse
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: normally you can look it up, if you recall what you added
[07:07] <DarwinElf> 'Attention! This core is running with glibc 2.27 but it was compiled with glibc 2.26. This can lead to unexpected behaviour. Consider compiling the core yourself or getting a binary compiled with glibc 2.26'--mlnet
[07:08] <ir7466> I must have done it a long time ago to install php7 i think
[07:08] <ir7466> but i don't need it any more so i'm happy to revert it back to the internal ones
[07:08] <ir7466> is there a command I can run to list the ppa changes I made?
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: check your sources.list to see whats external and what not
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> !sources | ir7466
[07:09] <ir7466> nothing but archive.ubuntu urls in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: your 'failed to fetch error mentions ondrej ppa
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: and as apt never lies, it must still be a leftover there
[07:10] <ir7466> ok i found one
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> +1
[07:11] <ir7466> .... /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ondrej-ubuntu-php-xenial.list:deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu xenial main /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ondrej-ubuntu-php-xenial.list:# deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu xenial main
[07:11] <ir7466> does that help me know what name it is though?
[07:11] <ir7466> So I imagine I need to run: sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[07:11] <ir7466> but replace "ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa" with "???"
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: try to google ondrej ppa php
[07:12] <ir7466> ok
[07:12] <ir7466> someone wrote sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: i would think ppa:ondrej/php yes
[07:13] <ir7466> so I'll try "sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:ondrej/php"   ?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: no, read the right command from the factoid
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> or you using internal ppa remove method?
[07:14] <ir7466> For instance, to remove the ubuntu-mozilla-daily PPA, use: sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[07:14] <ir7466> is that not the right one?
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> did you install ppapurge or not?
[07:14] <ir7466> no, i don't want to purge old stuff i added
[07:14] <ir7466> i just want to fix it for the new stuff i want to add
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> ir7466: well ppa purge also removes the packages that goes with the ppa
[07:15] <ir7466> yeah i don't want that
[07:15] <ir7466> i'm happy with how it is now
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> its reccomended ir7466
[07:15] <ir7466> i just want to be able to install  php7.1-bcmath
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> but its your machine ok
[07:15] <ir7466> if i purge all those packages i would lose php7 wouldn't i?
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> we can only give advice to do it the vanilla way
[07:15] <ir7466> but wouldn't it remove all the things i added?
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> purge ppa, removes only the ppa you remove and its packages
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> not all ppa's + packages
[07:16] <ir7466> ok
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> anyway going on a coffeebreak first
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> good luck ir7466
[07:17] <ir7466> thank you
[07:21] <Milos> I am trying to compile 32-bit numpy on a 64-bit system, and I need to install the 32-bit version of libatlas-base-dev, but I'm having trouble. It keeps saying unmet dependencies, libatlas-base-dev:i386 : Depends: libatlas-dev:i386 but it is not going to be installed, blah blah. I already have i386 added as a foreign architecture. I am on 16.04.
[07:22] <Milos> Any idea why it won't let me install this?
[07:28] <Miguel2013> can't ubuntu mate load on mbr disks>?
[07:29] <Miguel2013> I tried loading the usb pen drive with mbr on a uefi disabled pc and yet it doesn't load up
[07:29] <Miguel2013> at least on laptops is failing
[07:41] <Miguel2013> is not clear what's going on
[08:00] <soulseeker> does any ubuntu 64 live cd have android flash tools
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> soulseeker: are you trying to flash an android rom to a device from ubuntu?
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> Milos: do you have external ppa's installed on your system?
[08:11] <Milos> lotuspsychje, I managed to figure it out, I had to uninstall the 64-bit version of the libatlas-base-dev package and then numpy compiled fine... no idea how that works, I guess the 64-bit version was able to emulate some 32-bit stuff since the library was very clearly linked against 64-bit shared libs
[08:12] <Milos> actually I didn't word that reply right at all
[08:12] <Milos> since I uninstalled the 64-bit version of libatlas-base-dev it clearly didn't have any of those libs so I have no idea how it compiled at all
[08:13] <Milos> earlier (when the 64-bit version of libatlas-base-dev was installed) I was getting this kind of linker output: https://bpaste.net/show/f2fc563a8d7c
[08:13] <Milos> then when I uninstalled libatlas-base-dev all went fine. before that I tried installing the i386 version but again it refused. so I was surprised that it compiled fine without either.
[08:13]  * Milos shrugs
[08:14] <gde33> I no longer have a screenshot window, can select rectangles but there is no folder any place
[08:14] <gde33> not in pictures, not on the desktop
[08:14] <gde33> and no window to select saving location
[08:15] <chull> my husband is trying to set up his ubuntu 18.04. Links in his cairo-dock aren't working. Does anyone understand what this guy means by 'quit cairo-dock'? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2390574
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> chull: probably means quit the dock and restart it again
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> gde33: graphics drivers installed correctly?
[08:19] <gde33> everything works just fine for as far as I can tell
[08:19] <gde33> first issue after upgrading to 18.04.2
[08:19] <gde33> I press print, the screen flashes then no window comes up
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> gde33: 18.04.2 isnt out yet
[08:19] <chull> lotuspsychje, where do you do that, please?
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> gde33: it has been delayed to 14/2
[08:20] <gde33> lotuspsychje: I would make a screenshot if I could now :P
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> gde33: you have proposed enabled?
[08:20] <nekowaiidesu> Good morning all. Does anyone know how to figure out which version of Windows is on a harddrive by the contents? (drive is failing. can only open the image in testdisk)
[08:20] <gde33> not sure what that is
[08:21] <nekowaiidesu> Can't find anything in system32/license.rtf
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> !proposed | gde33
[08:21] <nekowaiidesu> Sorry I know its not an ubuntu question. Thought someone here may have done this before though
[08:21] <gde33> lotuspsychje: I can live without it, just wondered if I was missing something obvious
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> gde33: apt-cache policy gnome-screenshot ?
[08:29] <chull> it may be that i'm too tired to make sense but i don't see a way, and ~/configautostart doesn't seem to be a file or directory. https://glx-dock.org/bg_topic.php?t=5231
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> maybe the #conky channel knows chull
[08:31] <gde33> lotuspsychje: sorry, I tried firefox screenshot but forgot to look how long the page was, then the whole thing froze up :P
[08:37] <chull> lotuspsychje, ok
[08:39] <gde33> lotuspsychje: sorry, I tried firefox screenshot but forgot to look how long the page was, then the whole thing froze up and irc died :P
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> gde33: can you answer my questions first?
[08:40] <gde33> Installed: 3.25.0-0ubuntu2   Candidate: 3.25.0-0ubuntu2  Version table:  *** 3.25.0-0ubuntu2 500        500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> gde33: seems right version
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> gde33: lsb_release -a && uname -a ?
[08:41] <gde33> LSB Version:    core-9.20170808ubuntu1-noarch:security-9.20170808ubuntu1-noarch  Distributor ID:    Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS Release:    18.04 Codename:    bionic
[08:42] <gde33> name 4.15.0-43-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 6 14:45:28 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> gde33: wrong kernel version and 18.04.2 should not be out yet
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> gde33: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:46] <gde33> rebooting brb
[08:52] <gde33> still no screenshots
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> gde33: can you check if you have proposed enabled in software&sources please?
[08:54] <gde33> its enabled
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> gde33: disable and sudo apt update please
[08:55] <onisukaboy> qq
[08:55] <gde33> I could fill a bug?
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> gde33: no, dont file bugs with proposed enabled
[08:55] <gde33> do I click on revert?
[08:56] <gde33> oh right sorry nvm
[09:00] <gde33> they are in the pictures folder now :)
[09:01] <gde33> lotuspsychje: thanks, keep up the good work
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> gde33: why did you enable proposed in the first place?
[09:02] <gde33> I dont recall, I think I was hoping some things would be fixed
[09:02] <gde33> but the desktop icons are still a complete mess :P
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> gde33: dont use proposed unless you know what you doing, or help testing..things can pretty unstable on proposed
[09:02] <gde33> my left monitor is much smaller than the one on the right
[09:02] <EriC^^> ditto
[09:03] <gde33> icons are overlapping and outside the screen
[09:03] <gde33> ill just use it as a folder np
[09:04] <gde33> have to go now, thanks for the assist again
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | Guest49235
[09:31] <Guest49235> hii
[09:39] <shibboleth> what's up with the security team?
[09:40] <shibboleth> since new year they've really been on top of their game
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> shibboleth: ask your real question please?
[09:42] <shibboleth> i gave praise
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> shibboleth: #ubuntu-hardened to praise :p
[09:43] <shibboleth> looking through january some ub fixes actually came out before on deb :)
[09:49] <lol2> Good morning guys.. any help installing whatsapp client on ubuntu 18.04 on a non VXT laptop?
[09:50] <ikonia> whatsapp client from where ?
[09:50] <shibboleth> non vxt?
[09:50] <lol2> I mean Android emulator
[09:50] <shibboleth> as in non v-(t)x?
[09:50] <ikonia> lol2: what's the problem ?
[09:50] <shibboleth> non-cpu virt accel?
[09:50] <lol2> yes
[09:51] <shibboleth> that's vt-x
[09:51] <lol2> yes
[09:51] <shibboleth> there's droid for x86
[09:51] <lol2> Great and what are the steps
[09:52] <shibboleth> qemu should be able?
[09:52] <ikonia> lol2: is there a package in the repos
[09:52] <shibboleth> which cpu?
[09:52] <lol2> Hmm dont remember, it is an hp dv6
[09:53] <lol2> 64 bits system
[09:53] <ikonia> lol2: is there a package in the repo
[09:53] <shibboleth> lol2, if it is a core2duo or more recent it for sure has vt-x
[09:53] <shibboleth> not vt-d, but def vt-x
[09:54] <lol2>  it does not support it in the bios
[09:54] <shibboleth> cpu model?
[09:55] <shibboleth> or pavillion model? says dv6-XXXXyy on a sticker underneath
[09:55] <ikonia> lol2: are you trying to install android emulator so you can use whatsapp
[09:55] <shibboleth> gawd those were awful :)
[09:55] <lol2> exactly
[09:56] <shibboleth> anyway, gimme a hp model# or preferably a cpu model (device manager, bios)
[09:56] <shibboleth> but were sold from 2006 on, all of which had c2d
[09:57] <shibboleth> or the amd ones
[09:57] <shibboleth> but those are no longer around for various reasons
[09:57] <ikonia> lol2: are you trying to use android emulator so you can use whatsapp ?
[09:58] <lol2> lol
[09:59] <ikonia> why is that funny ?
[09:59] <ikonia> lol2: are you trying to use android emulator so you can use whatsapp ?
[09:59] <shibboleth> ikonia, yes
[09:59] <ikonia> shibboleth: what ?
[09:59] <lol2> cause you are repeating yourself
[09:59] <shibboleth> ikonia, he is
[09:59] <MJCD> just install bluestacks
[09:59] <ikonia> lol2: because you are not respnding
[09:59] <MJCD> or ldplayer
[09:59] <shibboleth> and has said so multiple times
[09:59] <MJCD> :D
[09:59] <ikonia> lol2: the reason I'm asking is because this will most likely not work for you
[09:59] <ikonia> and will be a waste of time
[09:59] <MJCD> people do it all the tme
[09:59] <MJCD> haha
[09:59] <lol2> bout genimotion
[10:00] <MJCD> yeah sure genimotions alrght too
[10:00] <shibboleth> lol2, cpu model number please
[10:00] <MJCD> blustacks is better
[10:00] <MJCD> ldplayer is better still
[10:00] <ikonia> shibboleth: he's mentioned the word whatsapp 1 once since he joined the channel, so he's not confirmed this multiple times
[10:00] <ikonia> hence why I'm askin
[10:00] <ikonia> lol2: do you have a sim card with an active celluar connection in it ?
[10:01] <MJCD> you don't need that lol
[10:01] <MJCD> whatsapp works fine in any of the aforementioned products
[10:01] <MJCD> the android dev vm's are horribly slow
[10:01] <MJCD> but it still works
[10:02] <ikonia> MJCD: you need a sim ismi to identify to whats app
[10:03] <MJCD> you do not
[10:03] <MJCD> as I say this is incredibly common
[10:04] <ikonia> MJCD: how do you use whats app then without a sim identification (phone number)
[10:04] <MJCD> ikonia, you need *a* mobile number
[10:04] <MJCD> but not *in* the vm
[10:04] <MJCD> they just send you a code, it goes to your phone
[10:04] <MJCD> you tap it in
[10:04] <ikonia> MJCD: correct, but if you have a mobile number setup, why would you go to all this hassle and not just use the web client
[10:04] <MJCD> done
[10:04] <MJCD> ehh I have no idea why so many people do tbh
[10:05] <MJCD> I dont even use whatsapp
[10:05] <MJCD> I just know lots of people who do exactly this
[10:05] <MJCD> to have it on their pc
[10:06] <ikonia> the browser app will connect to your phone, why install an emulator, a client then try to either do a passthrough to the hardware device or basically do the same as the web interface
[10:07] <MJCD> dont ask me
[10:07] <MJCD> I just work here
[10:07] <MJCD> all I can say is
[10:07] <MJCD> all of the apps mentioned run like a bat out of hell
[10:07] <MJCD> aka very fast
[10:08] <MJCD> so there's no real downside
[10:08] <MJCD> and in the meantime you can play bloons td 5
[10:08] <MJCD> :D
[10:08] <MJCD> that's why I got into the whole scene, because android gaming wth a touchscreen pc rules
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | MJCD
[10:11] <MJCD> uhhhhh
[10:11] <MJCD> I didn't raise it
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> MJCD: there's a difference between supporting and discussion
[10:16] <lol2> well, I still dont see any options since most of the android emulators require or run on vm and my laptop is non vtx one.. any other ideas
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> lol2: just use telegram on ubuntu?
[10:17] <lol2> Humm, telegram? Also want to mention I dont wanna have to use a phone in conjunction meaning to have to scan a whatsapp code
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> lol2: telegram can be used from both phone or desktop
[10:25] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: why do you need an android emulator
[10:25] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: sorry
[10:25] <ikonia> lol2: why do you need an android emulator
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah i dont get that part neither
[10:26] <lol2> Lol.. I am not looking for repetitions but rather constructive answers
[10:26] <ikonia> lol2: right, so lets help you, why do you need an android emulator
[10:28] <shibboleth> lol2, iirc kali comes with a droid emu
[10:29] <shibboleth> but seriously, i want cpu model#, dv6# or i'm out
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> why an emulator, there is telegram, whatsdesk snap, androidx86 iso on virtualbox..
[10:31] <shibboleth> yeah
[10:31] <shibboleth> but he keeps saying his cpu doesn't do vt-x
[10:31] <shibboleth> i call bs since he refuses to name the model :)
[10:31] <ikonia>  just need to know the reason he wants the emulator
[10:31] <shibboleth> ikonia, pretty sure everyone else got a reason
[10:32] <ikonia> what is the reason then ?
[10:32] <shibboleth> iirc every single hp dv6 came with a core2duo
[10:33] <ikonia> right, but why do you need an emulator
[10:33] <shibboleth> or amd. the latter of which have ofc exploded by now
[10:34] <shibboleth> lol2, also: i don't recall being able to enable/disable vt-x in consumer grade BIOS
[10:34] <shibboleth> doesn't mean the CPU doesn't support it
[10:34] <shibboleth> so, cpu model# or gtfo
[10:34] <ikonia> shibboleth: tone down the language please
[10:41] <shibboleth> even pentium d and celeron d supported vt-x
[10:41] <shibboleth> and the later p4 ht and extremes
[11:03] <kimberly_> hola
[11:22] <asphyxia> hi guys
[11:22] <asphyxia> does ubuntu only use grub as it's kernel?
[11:23] <tomreyn> asphyxia: hi. grub is a boot loader, which. on ubuntu, loads the linux kernel.
[11:24] <asphyxia> I have to add something to the kernel to get my trackpoint/trackpad working properly. I was told I have to add it to 'all' the kernels, just trying to find what those are
[11:25] <tomreyn> you may have multiple kernel versions installed next to one another, this is probably what this refers to.
[11:26] <tomreyn> this should list the ones you have currently installed:    dpkg -l | grep ^linux-image
[11:26] <tomreyn> they should also be listed on the grub menu as possible boot targets
[11:26] <tomreyn> the "update-grub" command produces / updates said list
[11:27] <tomreyn> the "something" you were told you may need to "add to the kernels", may be a kernel module (AKA a hardware driver).
[11:28] <jeremy31> asphyxia: Lenovo?  Elan touchpad?
[11:28] <asphyxia> jeremy31: that's the one ^^
[11:28] <asphyxia> tomreyn: also thank you, checking that out now
[11:35] <asphyxia> as far as I can see there's only one kernel?
[11:36] <MJCD> huh, kde plasma is Qt5
[11:36] <tomreyn> this may be so, depends on your system which we don't know much about
[11:36] <MJCD> I had no idea
[11:36] <tomreyn> asphyxia: ^
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> MJCD: only ubuntu issues only here please
[11:37] <asphyxia> jeremy31: have you had experience with the carbon x1s and the elan touchpad?
[11:37] <MJCD> lol you're annoying
[11:38] <jeremy31> asphyxia: post URL from terminal for> dmesg | grep -i elan | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:40] <asphyxia> https://termbin.com/8hug
[11:41] <asphyxia> ubuntu 18.04 kernel 4.15.0-45-generic carbon x1 gen 5
[11:45] <jeremy31> asphyxia: Is it working on current kernel?
[11:49] <asphyxia> jeremy31: It wasn't, but then I disabled trackpoint in the bios and the scroll was restored, but physical buttons weren't working. So when I turned trackpoint back on, currently both are working but it dropped out again on sleep
[11:50] <tomreyn> there is https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/downloads/ds122148 - may or may not be related.
[11:50] <asphyxia> I've found a fix on arch wiki which says I should add to kernel just not sure how to do that.
[11:50] <asphyxia> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_5)#Solution_1
[11:51] <jeremy31> asphyxia: Solution 1 is just adding to a line in grub
[11:52] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
[11:52] <asphyxia> is it really that simple? So grub adds it to the kernel for me is that how it works?
[11:53] <tomreyn> you'd want to permanently add it
[11:53] <jeremy31> asphyxia: yes, edit grub, add psmouse.synaptics_intertouch=1 to the line with quiet splash
[11:54] <asphyxia> :D cool, let's see if it works ttys
[11:58] <asphyxia> tomreyn, jeremy31, woohoo looks like it's working!!
[12:03] <workstation> Hello
[12:03] <tomreyn> very well, asphyxia
[12:04] <tomreyn> hi workstation
[12:04] <workstation> hey guys
[12:04] <workstation> just found this on mate, is hexchat alive?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> workstation: we see you, it works
[12:06] <workstation> thats nice! What are usual topics of conversation, or free for all?
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> !chat | workstation
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> we also have #ubuntu-discuss workstation
[12:07] <workstation> thx
[12:14] <fego> '1
[12:31] <beepbeep_> Running "gcc" results in output "Command "gcc" not found, but can be installed with sudo apt install gcc". When I run that command, I get the following output: "gcc is already the newest version (4:8.2.0-1ubuntu1).". How do I get the "gcc" command to work?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:33] <enzotib> beepbeep_, what's your $PATH and what's the output of dpkg -l gcc | grep '/gcc$'
[12:34] <beepbeep_> enzotib: output of $PATH: bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/home/aaron/.dotnet/tools: No such file or directory
[12:34] <beepbeep_> enzotib:  output of dpkg .. nothing
[12:35] <enzotib> beepbeep_, dpkg --get-selections | grep gcc
[12:35] <beepbeep_> enzotib:
[12:35] <beepbeep_> hmm, I'll paste the output in a gist.
[12:35] <beepbeep_> multilines.
[12:35] <enzotib> use a pastebin
[12:36] <beepbeep_> enzotib: https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/1c278cd180f9ed39aaaeddf266f029f0
[12:36] <enzotib> beepbeep_, dpkg -l gcc
[12:37] <beepbeep_> enzotib: https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/1c278cd180f9ed39aaaeddf266f029f0#file-output-txt
[12:38] <enzotib> beepbeep_, sorry dpkg -L gcc
[12:39] <beepbeep_> enzotib: https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/1c278cd180f9ed39aaaeddf266f029f0#file-dpkg-l-txt
[12:40] <enzotib> beepbeep_, ls -l /usr/bin/gcc
[12:41] <beepbeep_> enzotib: ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/gcc': No such file or directory
[12:41] <enzotib> beepbeep_, sudo apt-get --reinstall install gcc
[12:42] <enzotib> beepbeep_, I suppose you removed the file gcc by mistake
[12:42] <beepbeep_> enzotib: https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/1c278cd180f9ed39aaaeddf266f029f0#file-reinstall-txt
[12:43] <enzotib> beepbeep_, there is something wrong in your package system, try sudo apt-get purge gcc && sudo apt-get install gcc
[12:44] <beepbeep_> enzotib: now I have to be careful. Last time I tried these kind of things I broke my system. I'm on a Dell XPS and there
[12:44] <beepbeep_> are certain drivers that I need. Without those drivers. Laptop freezes.
[12:45] <beepbeep_> this only purges gcc. shouldn't do any harm I guess.
[12:46] <beepbeep_> enzotib: https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/1c278cd180f9ed39aaaeddf266f029f0#file-purge-gcc-txt
[12:47] <beepbeep_> this line worries me https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/1c278cd180f9ed39aaaeddf266f029f0#file-purge-gcc-txt-L26
[12:47] <beepbeep_> might have something to do with the nvidea drivers I was talking about.
[12:48] <beepbeep_> enzotib: this is what I did to get ubuntu running on my dell https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/4f28dc6640c5a89db390c171b1442c01
[12:48] <enzotib> beepbeep_, try to force: sudo apt-get -f install gcc
[12:50] <beepbeep_> enzotib: https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/1c278cd180f9ed39aaaeddf266f029f0#file-try-to-force-txt
[12:51] <tomreyn> dont force, identify the root of an issue and solve it
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> +1
[12:52] <tomreyn> sudo dpkg --configure -a 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:52] <tomreyn> start there
[12:53]  * tomreyn be back in ~30
[12:58] <jgm> hello
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> welcome jgm
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you jgm
[12:59] <jgm> ok merci lotuspsychje
[12:59] <Miguel2013> I want to rebuild the ubuntu mate grub but I get no efi directory error after typing grub-install /dev/sdh on a usb drive
[13:00] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: are you in the live usb right now?
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: one for you ^
[13:00] <Miguel2013> I looked and there was an efi directory inside /boot but then the new error says it doesn't look like an efi directory
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> !fr | jgm see also
[13:00] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, no butI can get there
[13:00] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: ok boot it and lmk
[13:01] <jgm> ok very difficult un peu ( french )
[13:02] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, ok I'm in it
[13:02] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[13:02] <Miguel2013> I explain my case here https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/howto-rebuild-the-grub-for-mate-18-10-says-no-efi-directory/18905
[13:02] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, ok sorry
[13:03] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, does the usb drive has to be inserted?
[13:03] <Miguel2013> the live is on another usb drive
[13:03] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: the install is on a usb?
[13:03] <Miguel2013> yes
[13:03] <EriC^^> yeah insert it
[13:05] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, ok i got a link
[13:05] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: paste it here
[13:05] <Miguel2013> termbin.com/mcww
[13:06] <jgm> test
[13:06] <jgm> bonjour
[13:06] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: the install is on /dev/sdh ? and you want it to boot via UEFI specifically or legacy is fine too?
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> jgm: english only here please
[13:06] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: i guess you want uefi cause the ssd is in uefi mode
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> jgm: taper /join #ubuntu-fr
[13:07] <jgm> ok sorry
[13:08] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, yes on sdh, and I want it specificaly uefi cause I had problems not booting well with mbr
[13:08] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, both are usb drives not ssd
[13:09] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, I have an ssd with ubuntu 18.04 that's the sdb I think
[13:09] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, and that's mbr as far I know
[13:09] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: no, sda is a samsung ssd, it's using uefi
[13:09] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, that one yes it has windows 10 tho
[13:09] <EriC^^> oh no ubuntu there, yeah nevermin
[13:11] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: the sdh one has a gpt partition table, so for legacy to work it would need a 1mb bios-boot partition for grub
[13:11] <EriC^^> if you are certain you want uefi on it, then you need to create an efi partition, you could shrink the swap one and make one like 40mb or so
[13:12] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, create a third partition size of 40mb?
[13:12] <Miguel2013> 1.1gb or so for swap or 40mb for swap?
[13:13] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: yeah, 40mb for efi
[13:13] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: type "sudo fdisk /dev/sdh"
[13:15] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, ok
[13:15] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, what to show?
[13:16] <dos000> i am locked out of my ubuntu 18.04 machine
[13:16] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: are you still looking for a fix for your apt dependencies?
[13:17] <dos000> can someone please tell me how i can force the gdm screen to come up ? i keep doing alt+ctrl+1 but i cant even swithc to any console
[13:17] <dos000> i have mac i can ssh into the machine
[13:17] <tomreyn> dos000: it'd be ctrl-alt-Fn with n in 1..12
[13:17] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: press "p" it'll list the partitions
[13:18] <beepbeep_> tomreyn:  emm .. honnestly don't really know where to look next.
[13:18] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: then press "d" to delete the swap one (choose its number when it asks)
[13:18] <beepbeep_> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/je2t
[13:18] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: actually wait
[13:18] <dos000> tomreyn: i tried already .. i think there is a bug somewhere its refusing to switch
[13:18] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: i forgot it's gpt, press "q" to quit, then type "sudo gdisk /dev/sdh"
[13:18] <dos000> tomreyn: is there a way i can manually force it ?
[13:18] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: that's the output of what?
[13:19] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, ok
[13:19] <laptop> hello
[13:19] <beepbeep_> tomreyn: sudo dpkg --configure -a 2>&1
[13:19] <laptop> can someone help me with setting a second monitor
[13:19] <dos000> tomreyn: i have seen this issue before where the machine gets into this state
[13:19] <dos000> tomreyn: i always ssh and reboot the machine
[13:20] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, I was doing like u said trying to resize the swap partition and I deleted it already I think I'll run your command with gdisk now
[13:21] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: okay, what'S the output of: sudo /bin/true; nc termbin.com 9999 < <( cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline /etc/os-release; sudo apt-get update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -Vy --simulate 2>&1 )
[13:21] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, it says is using gpt with protective mbr
[13:21] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: that sounds right
[13:22] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, so can I recreate the swap and efi partitions? what name for the efi partition just efi or whateevr?
[13:22] <tomreyn> dos000: you can only restart gdm if you have a shell
[13:22] <beepbeep_> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/mfaw
[13:22] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: yeah it doesnt matter, just when it asks for the type, put it "ef00"
[13:23] <tomreyn> dos000: systemctl restart gdm3   # but you'll loose your unsaved changes.
[13:23] <dos000> tomreyn: do you mean i have to force the current user to logout ? i am trying to tell lightgdm to switch to the login screen by force
[13:24] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: you are mixing apt sources of different ubuntu releases, this is not supported, causes apt dependenciy problems like yours.
[13:24] <dos000> tomreyn: i have shell access and can be root on the machine
[13:25] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, when creating the efi partition should  I select as type for linux only as fat as ntsc or other?
[13:25] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, I get no field to enter ef00
[13:25] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, I' using disks utility
[13:25] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, you want me to use gdisks?
[13:25] <beepbeep_> tomreyn: how did you see that? can I do something to fix that?
[13:26] <tomreyn> dos000: so do you use lightdm or gdm3 or something else? you first mentioned gdm, then lightdm
[13:26] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: choose fat32 if it lets you
[13:26] <laptop> no
[13:26] <laptop> I am using nvidia
[13:26] <EriC^^> it might only let fat16 cause 40mb is small
[13:26] <laptop> how do I run the nvidia xserver as root
[13:27] <tomreyn> dos000: when you say you are locked out, what does this mean exactly, what do you see when this happens, what doesn't work exactly?
[13:27] <dos000> tomreyn: my apologies .. i am using the default in ubuntu 18.04. you are correct its gdm3
[13:27] <dos000> tomreyn: the key combinations dont do anything the screen stays black
[13:28] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, ok efi and swap partitions created correctly I think
[13:28] <dos000> tomreyn: it works at the beginning then suddenly the screen stops switching .. so i usually never try using the tty
[13:28] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: https://termbin.com/mfaw - those lines which start with numbers and indented urls are the output of "apt-cache policy". the lines starting with numbers contain ubuntu release codenames, such as bionic (18.04 LTS) and cosmic (18.10)
[13:28] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, what'e nxext
[13:28] <dos000> tomreyn: btw i have a multi monitor setup
[13:29] <dos000> tomreyn: i have two monitors
[13:29] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: note also v=18.04 and v=18.10 in those indented lines.
[13:29] <dos000> tomreyn: both monitors are black .. but they are not turned off
[13:31] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: as a way forward, since your goal is apprently to run ubuntu 18.10 (non LTS), and your system currently thinks this is what it is, you should update those references to 'bionic' by references to 'cosmic' everywhere.
[13:32] <beepbeep_> tomreyn: don't understand most of this. It looks like the 18.04 stuff is related to stuff I installed from microsoft. Xamarin, mono, ..
[13:32] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: you also have apt sources which refer to neither bionic nor cosmic, such as dl.yarnpkg.com/debian - those may be for debian only, and you should only use those if this third party package provider actually lists cosmic / 18.10 as supported by these very apt sources.
[13:33] <tomreyn> dos000: what's your graphics card and kernel version?
[13:34] <tomreyn> dos000: nc termbin.com 9999 < <( lspci -knnv | grep -A10 VGA; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline /etc/os-release )
[13:34] <tomreyn> !apt | beepbeep_
[13:35] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" again
[13:36] <dos000> tomreyn: 4.15.0-45-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 29 16:28:13 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:36] <dos000> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/gi7pm
[13:37] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: please read up on this to get a basic understanding. generally, we only support official ubuntu apt repositories here. when you add third party apt repositories, such as the microsoft. Xamarin, mono ones, you will need to ensure they are compatible to your ubuntu release (ubuntu 18.10 cosmic cuttlefish) and are supported by this 3rd party.
[13:39] <tomreyn> dos000: with nvidia graphics cards, you can use either the open source (less performing) 'nouveau' or proprietary (sometimes difficult to get and keep working) 'nvidia' drivers. which one do you intend to use, which ones do you use?
[13:39] <dos000> tomreyn: i should mention i am running the stock i3wm on this machine. and to lock my screen i use gnome-screen-saver --lock . The issue happens when i try to switch between ttys from that lock screen
[13:39] <dos000> tomreyn: i am probably using the proprietary driver
[13:40] <dos000> tomreyn: would killing gnome-screen saver help ?
[13:40] <tomreyn> dos000: killing gnome-screen-saver may restore access to the graphical desktop. it should not impact TTYs
[13:41] <dos000> tomreyn: ok let me try that
[13:41] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, o7oz
[13:41] <Miguel2013> termbin.com
[13:42] <tomreyn> dos000: is this process actually called "gnome-screen-saver"?
[13:42] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: type "sudo cgdisk /dev/sdh"
[13:42] <dos000> tomreyn: nothing still same
[13:42] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: change the type for the efi partition to "ef00"
[13:42] <dos000> tomreyn: it was called gnome-screensaver
[13:42] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, fat not working well?
[13:43] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: the type is different, it's a partition thing, fat is the filesystem
[13:43] <dos000> tomreyn: it was running as /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver --no-daemon
[13:44] <tomreyn> dos000: ah right that's the old one gnome, pre gnome-shell
[13:44] <dos000> tomreyn: at this point i am tempted to just restart .. but i know this will happen again :-(
[13:45] <tomreyn> dos000: you can post the output of "journalctl -b -p4" to a pastebin before you reboot
[13:46] <tomreyn> dos000: maybe it will tell what went wrong
[13:48] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, ok done
[13:48] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: in case you'd still like to work on this, can you also post: apt-cache policy gcc 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:49] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: from the earlier output you posted, https://termbin.com/mfaw , we can also see that you have lots of pending updates. you should install them as soon as the gcc conflict is solved.
[13:50] <cek> how do I verify snaps? where does it place the bin?
[13:50] <tomreyn> beepbeep_: finally, dont run a lowlatency kernel unless you need to, and dont run a mainline kernel unless oyu need to.
[13:51] <laptop> hi
[13:51] <laptop> help
[13:52] <tomreyn> !ask | laptop
[13:52] <dos000> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/f9n4
[13:52] <tomreyn> cek: snaps are accessible at /snap/, their bin and sbin directories, too
[13:52] <laptop> I need help with setting up a dual monitor display
[13:54] <cek> thanks
[13:55] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: sorry back
[13:55] <dos000> tomreyn: any luck with that paste ?
[13:56] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: type "sudo mount /dev/sdh1 /mnt"
[13:56] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: did you "write" the stuff in cgdisk and quit btw?
[13:57] <Piraty> is that normal, that ubuntu's installation doesn't setup /tmp as a tmpfs ?? at least fstab has no entry and "mount" doesn't show an entry for /tmp either
[13:57] <Piraty> hi btw :D
[13:58] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, yes
[13:58] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, I needed to umount all partitions
[13:58] <EriC^^> np
[13:58] <Miguel2013> to write to efi
[13:59] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: did you run the mount command above?
[13:59] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, ok is mounted
[13:59] <tomreyn> dos000: if you have a look at it you will see the many    pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown     messages. that's an unrelated problem, but one you should examine and fix. other than that i'm not really sure how i3 should be run on 18.04. it is strrange that you have both gnome-shell starting (which comes with a screen saver of its own, i think),a dn then also run gnome-screensaver, or try to, since it mostly fails (look for
[13:59] <tomreyn> "screensaver" records in your output, mixed character case).
[14:00] <tomreyn> dos000: so i don't know how to configure i3 on 18.04 properly, i suggest looking up some how-to (if there are any). your configuration doesn't seem correct, yet.
[14:00] <dos000> ok
[14:01] <tomreyn> Piraty: what does mount show for /tmp then?
[14:01] <tomreyn> !details | laptop
[14:01] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: type "grep swap /mnt/efi/fstab"
[14:02] <Piraty> tomreyn: mount | grep "/tmp" is empty (wc -l == 0)
[14:03] <tomreyn> Piraty: which ubuntu release is this, how did you install it?
[14:03] <dos000> tomreyn: super appreciate you taking the time for this thank you :-)
[14:03] <tomreyn> dos000: you're welcome ;-)
[14:04] <Piraty> tomreyn: VERSION="18.10 (Cosmic Cuttlefish)". installed via kubuntu live image, probably the "manual way"
[14:04] <Piraty> can someone show off their fstab (remove UUID if paranoid) of a "regular" automatic partition / mounting layout
[14:05] <Piraty> so i can compare
[14:05] <tomreyn> Piraty: you could do a default kubuntu install one in a vm and compare.
[14:06] <Piraty> too much overhead for such a small issue
[14:07] <tomreyn> Piraty: http://termbin.com/zcdy on a fresh ubuntu 18.10 installation
[14:07] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, i don't have that file or directory it say
[14:07] <tomreyn> this is /etc/fstab
[14:08] <Piraty> thanks tomreyn , this explains it. kinda silly that /tmp lives on /
[14:08] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: hmm what's in /mnt ? "ls -l //mnt"
[14:08] <Piraty> but not any longer for this install :)
[14:09] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: are you sure sdh1 is mounted? "mount | grep sdh1"
[14:09] <tomreyn> Piraty: i dont think it does
[14:11] <tomreyn> Piraty: ok, actually it does. i was thinking there was a system unit which mounts a tmpfs there, but there is not
[14:12] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, yes is mounted on /mnt
[14:12] <Miguel2013> the volume
[14:12] <dos000> tomreyn: on my ubuntu machine after rebooting ... i notice that i have a tons of sshd[11135]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown. and apparently from multiple processes
[14:13] <Miguel2013> with rw and relatime
[14:13] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: aha and what's in it?
[14:13] <dos000> tomreyn: this is happening within seconds
[14:13] <EriC^^> what does "ls -l /mnt" give?
[14:13] <tomreyn> dos000: that's what i pointed out 14 minutes ago ;)
[14:14] <Miguel2013> these /bin /boot /cdrom /dev /etc
[14:14] <tomreyn> dos000: this is not something you'd usually have, it's the result of something you did.
[14:14] <Miguel2013> like 15 diretories more
[14:15] <dos000> tomreyn: thats totally weird ... because i dont remember playing with sshd at all
[14:15] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, 20 or so direcotires
[14:15] <tomreyn> dos000: maybe you played with pam?
[14:16] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: what about "ls -l /mnt/etc" ?
[14:16] <dos000> tomreyn: never .. i never touch those
[14:16] <laptop> anyone familiar with firejail in particular how to make it play nice with wine, I am having trouble running wine with firejail, I want to know how to disable firejail profile for wine
[14:16] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, is there too with 1000 or so items
[14:18] <tomreyn> dos000: all the post i see on the web on this message are about integration with central authentication backends such as ldap or AD
[14:18] <Br00> Brand new to linux, here, and wanting to learn. I got Ubuntu onto a bootable USB and it's working. Wanting to go through a good video tutorial series, but all of them are made for Unity, and I know ubuntu is now Gnome. Any suggestions on how to best approach learning the newer version outside of self-exploration and trial/error?
[14:18] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: what about "ls -l /mnt/etc/fstab" ?
[14:18] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: oh sorry my bad
[14:19] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: i typo'd, i meant to run "grep swap /mnt/etc/fstab" :)
[14:20] <dos000> tomreyn: ok ... i know what it is ... i have a vpn :(- not sure why it keeps trying to login !!!
[14:20] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, is listening 2 swaps one in sdb2 and sdh2
[14:20] <tomreyn> dos000: maybe there will be more context when you: journalctl -n 100 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:20] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: aha show the sdh2 line
[14:21] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, sdh2 is not swap but it was
[14:21] <azy> how do i get encryptfs-utils? apt search encryptfs doesnt provide any results
[14:21] <dos000> tomreyn: i used the gnome-control center from i3 to setup my vpn
[14:21] <adrian_1908> azy: eCryp, not eNcrypt
[14:22] <tomreyn> dos000: that's probably network-manager then. i don't yet understand what makes you think that this is related to a vpn.
[14:23] <azy> ty
[14:23] <adrian_1908> np
[14:23] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: yeah i know
[14:24] <dos000> tomreyn: i am not sure what i am seeing now  ... maybe someone is port scanning me ... do you mind taking a look in private please ? this might not be my vpn as you said
[14:25] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: we need the old uuid there to make the new swap's uuid the same
[14:25] <dos000>  i see tons of people with different names trying to login via ssh ..
[14:26] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, what's the importance of sdh2 showing
[14:26] <tomreyn> dos000: i prefer working on this channel, so that others can add to the tourble shooting and point out my mistakes. i haven't seen indication on something or someone attacking you
[14:26] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: what's the exact line? does it have UUID=blabla bla swap ?
[14:27] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, for sdh2 yes
[14:27] <Miguel2013> uuid=12bd5a21- etc
[14:27] <dos000> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fbtsRmtPRj/
[14:27] <Miguel2013> 13*
[14:27] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: im gonna have to go now, good luck
[14:28] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, k man
[14:28] <Miguel2013> I'm just in the middle now haha
[14:28] <tomreyn> dos000: okay so you run an ssh server on the default port on the internet. dont do that.
[14:29] <tomreyn> dos000:or firewall it so it's not from ANY
[14:29] <dos000> tomreyn: its not supposed to be exposed ..
[14:29] <tomreyn> dos000: it looks like it is, though, you get the standard ugly traffic
[14:29] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: you're not following instructions, you're doing stuff on your own, plus everything takes 10x the time
[14:30] <EriC^^> sorry
[14:31] <tomreyn> dos000: do your system users have strong passwords set? does your ssh server allow root login? does it allow password authentication?
[14:31] <dos000> tomreyn: i am the only user :-(
[14:32] <tomreyn> dos000: can you post /etc/ssh/ssdh_config
[14:32] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, I didn't know I had to type all the number
[14:33] <tomreyn> dos000: or just the output of:  grep -i PasswordAuthentication /etc/ssh/ssdh_config
[14:34] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: no worries
[14:34] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: type "sudo mkswap /dev/sdh3 -U <numbers-here>"
[14:35] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: i forgot you're not on the same pc as this one
[14:35] <dos000> tomreyn: i used the defaults always  https://termbin.com/zgvg
[14:35] <tomreyn> dos000: you can also test whether your user account's password is strong here: https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords  - entering your password on a website is usually a bad idea, but on this very website it may be acceptable.
[14:35] <dos000> tomreyn: i dont remember touching that file
[14:36] <Galactor> Hello. I am trying to get into BBS systems. Not as a sys-op but as a user for now. I am having a difficult time figuring out how to connect to one using ubuntu linux. Does anyone know how I can learn how to do this?
[14:38] <tomreyn> dos000: okay, on your openssh server installation, password authentication is on, root login via ssh is disabled. if your user account has a strong password set your system may not be compromised.
[14:39] <dos000> tomreyn: super cool .. thank you so much for confirming that :-)
[14:39] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, ok changed the uuid of sdh3
[14:39] <tomreyn> dos000: if you're unsure whetehr your password is strong enough, use haveibeenpwned.com/passwords to test it, and set a new password afterwards. if your old password was found there, i strongly recommend reinstalling and restoring known safe backups.
[14:40] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, should I edit fstab now?
[14:40] <adrian_1908> dos000: also consider using a key and disabling password auth. Set `AllowUsers` to just that one user if you need nobody else.
[14:40] <dos000> tomreyn: i changed the port forward i had to something weird and it looks like the junk that was coming in stopped .. for now
[14:40] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: no it should be fine, what's the contents of fstab? type "cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:41] <dos000> adrian_1908: good tip . Thank you !
[14:42] <tomreyn> dos000: in the future, do as adrian_1908 says, also make ssh listen on a non standard port on the internet (WAN) side.
[14:42] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, 1ma0
[14:42] <tomreyn> and dont setup a port forwarding on the router if you don't need to access it from elsewhere in the first place
[14:42] <dos000> tomreyn: i was port forwarding from 2222 before :-(
[14:43] <tomreyn> dos000: the amount of log records / second you posted looks like sshd was exposed on port 22 on the internet, though, not just 2222
[14:43] <dos000> tomreyn: i usually need to access files every blue moon when i am outside .. i have not found a way to do that only when i need it
[14:44] <dos000> tomreyn: can you confirm they were not hitting 2222 from the internet ?
[14:44] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: ok, type "sudo nano /mnt/etc/fstab" and comment out the line for the swap of sdb and leave the sdh one, but before doing so type "sudo blkid /dev/sdh2" and replace the UUID in the efi line so they match
[14:44] <dos000> tomreyn: 2222 seems like a guessable port now that i think about it
[14:44] <tomreyn> dos000: no, we can't tell this from your logs, you'd need to review your firewall logs, if any.
[14:44] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: comment out just means put a "#" at the start of the line
[14:46] <Br00> anyone familiar with the LiLi utility for setting up a bootable USB with peristence?
[14:47] <EriC^^> !persistance | Br00 in case this is helpful at all
[14:47] <EriC^^> !persistant | Br00 in case this is helpful at all
[14:47] <Br00> !persistance
[14:48] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, you want me to put the uuid of sdh2 as it is now on the sdh2 on fstab? that's for a swap partiton not efi
[14:48] <Br00> well, the issue is I used the utility and set the max perstistance setting, and the drive works, I'm in ubuntu but when I make a setting change and reboot, it doesn't stay
[14:48] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: no sdh2 is the fat partition for efi
[14:48] <EriC^^> sdh3 is swap now
[14:49] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, uy yes I see it changed after the last command
[14:52] <tomreyn> Br00: the download page of linuxliveusb.com states "Last update: September 10th, 2015" - but a lot of things have changed since then, this may no longer work.
[14:53] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, I don't know why sdh2 didn't know the new uuid but is changed now
[14:53] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, should I try chroot into it?
[14:54] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: as a sanity check, type "(sudo blkid; cat /mnt/etc/fstab) | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:54] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: not yet
[14:55] <tomreyn> Br00: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051543/how-to-make-a-live-ubuntu-18-04-usb-with-a-persistent-storage-of-more-than-4gb suggests "mkusb"
[14:56] <dos000> what do you all folks use (or recommend) as online password manager tool ?
[14:56] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, nyiq
[14:57] <tomreyn> Br00: personally when i need something like this i would run the ubuntu installer iso in a VM (such as virtualbox with the proprietary usb drivers installed) and have the installer install to a (real, not virtual) usb drive connected to my computer, which i pass through to the VM.
[14:58] <Br00> that makes sense. I have no virtual machine experience, but I suppose it's time for me to try and learn it. I assume it's relatively straightforward?
[14:58] <tomreyn> dos000: i think online password managers should be prevented if possible. if you need remote access, use keepassxc-cli, accessed via ssh
[14:59] <adrian_1908> dos000: I would recommend using an offline password manager and storing the occasional encrypted backup online. These days you always hear about large sites (private or governmental) being compromised.
[14:59] <tomreyn> Br00: getting used to these concepts is not immediately easy. but once you got your head around virtualization it is, yes.
[15:01] <Br00> very good, thank you tom
[15:01] <dos000> tomreyn: adrian_1908: any offline passowrd managers i can run locally with a webui ?
[15:01] <adrian_1908> Br00: what I can tell you is that if you're gonna use VirtualBox (good one), be sure to add your user to the "vboxusers" group. Make a note on that for later, otherwise mounting USB inside the virtual machine won't work.
[15:04] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:05] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, that line for sda2 I edited wrong I think
[15:05] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, mxxc
[15:06] <Miguel2013> I thought it was sdh2
[15:06] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, should I edit back sdh2 with its correct uuid
[15:07] <EriC^^> Miguel2013: not sure what you mean, sdh2 in blkid and in the efi line match for me?
[15:07] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, the line on fstab that says /boot/efi was on /dev/sda2
[15:08] <Miguel2013> has a uuid wrong I think I'll check
[15:08] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: had to change PCs here
[15:08] <bad63r> Miguel2013: not fallowing from the start, but if you need new UUID value you can check it with gparted
[15:09] <bad63r> just run gparted and right click-> information
[15:09] <bad63r> about specific partion will get you new it
[15:10] <tomreyn> dos000: you can run a web based password manager and make this available to localhost, only, accessing it by ssh port forwarding.
[15:11] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, I put itback is oknow, although I don't know why the fstab is mentioning a windows 10 efi partition it doens't help it
[15:12] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, or maybe it used it for boot loader
[15:12] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: it doesnt mention sda? im not sure what you mean
[15:12] <Miguel2013> bad63r, blkid no?
[15:12] <EriC^^_> what were the last 2 pastebins?
[15:12] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, it does it says sda2 on fstab
[15:12] <Br00> adrian just saw your message, thanks for the tip
[15:13] <EriC^^_> please paste the last 2 termbin's i asked for Miguel2013
[15:13] <Miguel2013> EriC^^, mxxc and nyiq last
[15:13] <Miguel2013> I mean before mxxc
[15:14] <fiftysix> hi!
[15:14] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, my new fstab is corrected i put it back
[15:14] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, reflecting the sda2 uuid not sdh2 uuid
[15:14] <fiftysix> a friend deleted all files in his /boot partition and i reinstalled all the packages and re-wrote and updated grub, but it's still not working because it doesn't know to unlock the LUKS partition. how do i tell the initramfs about that?
[15:15] <fiftysix> (/etc/crypttab still exists and is correct, so i'm a bit lost)
[15:16] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: ... i dont know what to say, i didnt tell you to change anything
[15:16] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, when you told me to replace the uuid in the efi line of blkid /dev/sdh2 what did u mean then
[15:16] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: it's obvious, change the uuid in the line to the one that sdh2 has in blkid
[15:17] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: to this 5266-67D1
[15:17] <EriC^^_> it was right in the pastes you showed..
[15:18] <tomreyn> fiftysix: update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -c
[15:18] <tomreyn> + sudo
[15:18] <EriC^^_> fiftysix: did you reinstall the kernel?
[15:18] <Sven_vB> how can I make my bash command "for D in [a-z]*/; do … done" match only directories that start with a lowercase letter?
[15:19] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, but that mention in fstab is for sdh2 when it was a swap, do I have to delete all that defining info too?
[15:19] <ioria> fiftysix, first, ii'd go with the Livecd; mount the partition and luksOpen /dev/sdXX  blah
[15:19] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: that's just a comment by the installer, it doesnt matter
[15:19] <plytro> Sven_vB: ^
[15:20] <fiftysix> EriC^^_, yes, the kernel's there again.
[15:20] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, is not just a comment it also claims the partition type as swap and options etc
[15:20] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: which line are you referring to
[15:20] <Miguel2013> the last line in fstab
[15:20] <EriC^^_> this is a comment # swap was on /dev/sdh2 during installation
[15:20] <fiftysix> ioria, all of those things are already done. /boot is populated and grub has been re-written into the MBR. i'm getting into the initramfs just fine. I'll try what tomreyn is suggesting.
[15:20] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, below
[15:20] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: this line is correct UUID=13bd5a21-1ab4-4a63-9842-899346fa98bc none            swap    sw              0       0
[15:21] <EriC^^_> the uuid is the one in blkid /dev/sdh3: UUID="13bd5a21-1ab4-4a63-9842-899346fa98bc" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="a768ef14-3b45-49c8-baeb-fc205c0178ef"
[15:21] <ioria> fiftysix, ah,ok
[15:21] <plytro> Sven_vB: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36743957/how-to-loop-through-files-that-match-a-regular-expression-in-a-unix-shell-script
[15:21] <EriC^^_> fiftysix: update-initramfs -k all to update all kernels initrd
[15:21] <fiftysix> btw what's the difference between luksOpen and udisksctl? is the second a wrapper fore the first?
[15:22] <Sven_vB> plytro, so glob patterns really can't do it?
[15:22] <ioria> fiftysix, yes, somelike that
[15:22] <fiftysix> ic
[15:23] <plytro> Sven_vB: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/371715/case-sensitivity-in-square-bracket-globbing
[15:23] <Sven_vB> plytro, thanks! :)
[15:24] <tomreyn> fiftysix: if you reinstalle dthe kernel, the initramfs shoould already have been updated, so i'm not sure it's this. you could instpect the initramfs using lsinitramfs and unmkinitramfs
[15:24] <fiftysix> EriC^^_, should i be concerned about "cryptsetup: WARNINGÖ invalid line in /etc/crypttab for luks-xxx -"?
[15:25] <fiftysix> tomreyn, yeah, i was wondering about that...
[15:25] <tomreyn> fiftysix: you should be concerned about this message
[15:26] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: still there?
[15:26] <fiftysix> tomreyn, the example at https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/crypttab.html looks much different from what i'm seeing here: "sda5_crypt UUID=xxx none luks,discard". wondering if my friend might have put that there, somehow mistaking crypttab for fstab?
[15:26] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, I got it ur right is just a comment
[15:27] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: cool :)
[15:27] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, didn't get it at first
[15:27] <fiftysix> tomreyn, i think it'd help if i could see what it normally looks like for a ubuntu install?
[15:27] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: no worries, type "for i in /dev /sys /proc; do sudo mount -R /mnt /mnt$i; done"
[15:27] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, ok then 1 question, why is there a reference in fstab to the efi partition in sda2
[15:27] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: the installer used the windows efi in the ssd as the efi partition
[15:27] <tomreyn> fiftysix: on current ubuntu systems i have encrypted with cryptsetup-luks, i have 4 fields / columns in crypttab
[15:28] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, I don't want to depend on that partition on sda cause I plan using the usb drive on many desktops and laptops
[15:28] <Miguel2013> to boot ubuntu mate from
[15:29] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: exactly, you should be good now that the usb has its own efi partition
[15:29] <tomreyn> fiftysix: ...similar to the "Encrypted LUKS disk with interactive password, identified by UUID" example in crypttab(5)
[15:29] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, k so shuld i type that command then u last said
[15:29] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: yeah
[15:29] <tomreyn> fiftysix: do oyu know how to use man pages?
[15:30] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, no sudo?
[15:30] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: it's in there, in the middle
[15:30] <tomreyn> fiftysix: it's also online here if not http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man5/crypttab.5.html
[15:30] <fiftysix> tomreyn, yes, i do. i just checked with that example. according to that, my crypttab has a legal format. also 4 fields. the discard option seems to be fine, too, as the laptop has an SSD. and the UUID is the correct one. so i'm a little stumped now as to where that warning comes from...
[15:31] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, it's /mnt/mnt or /mnt /mnt$i
[15:31] <Miguel2013> without space?
[15:31] <tomreyn> fiftysix: see what REASON is set to when you're dropped to busybox
[15:31] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: nope, there's a space
[15:32] <fiftysix> tomreyn, that's an environment variable?
[15:32] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, ok I typed it
[15:32] <fiftysix> tomreyn, is it normal that /dev/sda5 (the LUKS volume) doesn't return anything when i run blkid on it?
[15:32] <tomreyn> fiftysix: yes. echo $REASON
[15:33] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: ok, type "sudo chroot /mnt"
[15:33] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: then type "mount -a"
[15:33] <tomreyn> fiftysix: it should be listed in the output generated by "sudo blkid"
[15:33] <EriC^^_> fiftysix: did he just delete /boot or he like ran 'dd' on the disk or something?
[15:34] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, ok done
[15:34] <Miguel2013> what is mnt$i means? it looks mispell
[15:34] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: ok, type "mount | grep sdh2" see if sdh2 is mounted on /boot/efi
[15:35] <fiftysix> EriC^^_, nope, the file system was still okay.
[15:35] <tomreyn> EriC^^_: fiftysix, good point, since fiftysix stated the user had "deleted all files in his /boot partition", but it's either that they deleted files on a file system, or deleted a partition.
[15:35] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: it's just a bash variable, for i in /1 /2 /3; do echo /mnt$i; done becomes "/mnt/1 /mnt/2 /mnt/3"
[15:36] <tomreyn> fiftysix: thanks for clarifying.
[15:36] <fiftysix> EriC^^_, but i just learned he tried to migrate from an HDD to an SSD. one thing that was wrong in fstab was the /boot UUID. wondering if some other places have wrong UUIDs
[15:36] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, it says failed to read mtab no such file or directory
[15:36] <fiftysix> tomreyn, blkid *only* returns sda1. sda5 is curiously missing.
[15:36] <fiftysix> tomreyn, but i have it decrypted and mounted the root lv inside just fine.
[15:37] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: hmm, try "lsblk" and see if it says anything under mountpoint
[15:37] <fiftysix> tomreyn, okay, that was from INSIDE the chroot. from OUTSIDE the chroot blkid shows a UUID for sda5, too.
[15:37] <tomreyn> fiftysix: the encrypted block device (not the unlocked one) should be listed with TYPE="crypto_LUKS"
[15:37] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, it says filed to access sysf
[15:38] <EriC^^_> fiftysix: what does his /etc/default/grub look like?
[15:38] <tomreyn> fiftysix: looks liek you forgot to bind mount some virtual file systems, such as /dev
[15:38] <tomreyn> fiftysix: or /proc rather
[15:38] <fiftysix> tomreyn, that's true (listed, with type crypto_LUKS) from outside the chroot.
[15:39] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: ok, open another terminal and type "mount | nc termbin.com 9999" but leave the chroot terminal open
[15:39] <fiftysix> tomreyn, the once i usually bind mount (and also did in this case) are: /dev, /dev/pts, /proc, /sys, /run. am i forgetting one?
[15:39] <fiftysix> EriC^^_, /etc/default/grub looks fine, and doesn't contain any UUIDs.
[15:40] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, 1aho
[15:40] <fiftysix> okay, i'll reboot and look at the REASON thing. lack of info otherwise.
[15:41] <EriC^^_> fiftysix: is he using the grub crypto =y stuff? (for no separate /boot and /boot with "/") ?
[15:42] <fiftysix> EriC^^_, he says it "used to be a normal xubuntu installation". and he's not well-versed enough in computers to have known about something like that i believe. otoh he clearly is dangerous with google.
[15:42] <tomreyn> fiftysix: outside chroot: cryptsetup luksOpen source target; mkdir -p /run/systemd/resolve; cp /etc/resolv.conf /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf; mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars; mkdir /target; mount /path/to/blockdev/containing/rootfs /target; mount /anything/else/as/needed /target/wherever; for dev in /proc /sys /sys/firmware/efi/efivars /dev /dev/pts /run; do echo $dev; mount --bind $dev /target$dev; done
[15:42] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: there was a typo in the for loop command..
[15:42] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: restart the PC cause it's a mess right now (the live usb)
[15:42] <fiftysix> tomreyn, okay, once i'm back in the rescue system. will take a minute...
[15:42] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, k
[15:43] <sobukus> Hi, can someone point me to the way to delete old kernels without an initrd being created for the kernels I want to remove_
[15:43] <fiftysix> tomreyn, fwiw the reason is that there's no /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root, which makes sense, as the thing never asked for a password. i'll just do what you just told me to.
[15:44] <tomreyn> fiftysix: sounds like you did it ok, though
[15:44] <EriC^^_> sobukus: usually if /boot is too full for apt to work etc, just manually "rm" the initrd of old kernels to make space then use apt on the packages
[15:44] <fiftysix> tomreyn, if i'd done it okay, it'd be asking me for a password, wouldn't it? :)
[15:44] <sobukus> This lengthens the process and actually prevents it here, because it runs out of space generting the initrds … the very ones I want to get rid of.
[15:44] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, ok is back
[15:44] <sobukus> EriC^^_: It is recreating them:-(
[15:44] <tomreyn> fiftysix: i would think so ;-)
[15:44] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, are just needing the chroot portion?
[15:44] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: ok, type "sudo mount /dev/sdh1 /mnt"
[15:44] <fiftysix> tomreyn, oh! just read your list of commands and saw that it's just the stuff to get into the chroot. which i practically know by heart ;-)
[15:45] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, ok done
[15:45] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: then "for i in /dev /proc /sys; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
[15:45] <sobukus> EriC^^_: Hm, there was a switch to at least ignore the error to continue actually removing the package, I presume.
[15:45] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: sorry i had a typo in the earlier one, i havent been doing a lot of ubuntu stuff so im getting rusty :O
[15:46] <EriC^^_> bare with me though, we'll get the PC booting surely in a little
[15:46] <sobukus> But there must be a wy to prevent the stupid trigger on the mkinitramfs script on a kernel to be deleted.
[15:46] <fiftysix> EriC^^_, tomreyn, is there a difference between grub and grub2 here? should i be trying with grub2 instead of grub-pc?
[15:46] <User_> 123123123
[15:46] <EriC^^_> fiftysix: it's the same
[15:46] <EriC^^_> grub-pc just means legacy grub2
[15:47] <EriC^^_> (as opposed to grub-efi)
[15:47] <fiftysix> oh
[15:47] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, ok is done
[15:47] <fiftysix> TIL...
[15:47] <tomreyn> fiftysix: which ubuntu version is this, booted with legacy bios or uefi?
[15:47] <EriC^^_> sobukus: for space? you could try "dpkg -P --force-all <package>"
[15:48] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: type "sudo chroot /mnt"
[15:48] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: then type "mount -a"
[15:48] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, done
[15:48] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: type "lsblk" it should show sdh2 mounted at /boot/efi
[15:49] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, it has sda2 as /boot/efi
[15:50] <tomreyn> fiftysix: if /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root is missing, it could also be due to missing lvm2 support / configuration in grub / initrd. but if this is backed by a luks encrypted block device and there was no password prompt then i agree this is the more likely culprit for now.
[15:50] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: i think you didnt edit fstab after you editted previously :D
[15:50] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: type "exit" then "sudo umount /mnt/boot/efi"
[15:50] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, yea I'll do it
[15:50] <fiftysix> tomreyn, it's the venerable ThinkPad T400 with an older Xubuntu on it that has been successively upgraded to Bionic Beaver
[15:51] <sobukus> EriC^^_: Thanks, that at least frees up some space, though it complains a lot.
[15:51] <fiftysix> tomreyn, sooo ... how does update-initramfs "know" that the root partition is indeed inside an LV inside a LUKS container?
[15:52] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, shouldI change the uuid of the one mentioned for sda2 for sdh2 and leave all the same?>
[15:52]  * sobukus proceeding to clean up the mess and hopes to retain a working kernel
[15:52] <EriC^^_> sobukus: :D
[15:53] <tomreyn> fiftysix: it checks what / is backed by, and what that is backed by, ... until it finds a pysical storage i would think.
[15:53] <sobukus> If anyone comes up with an explanation why the process of removing a kernel (apt remove --purge) should involve regenerating the initrd and _then_ deleting it … I'm interested.
[15:53] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: hmm, use sdh2 as the efi in fstab, and sdh3 as the swap, i will brb in few mins
[15:54] <sobukus> The very reason why one wants to do this (out of space) prevents this operation to succeed.
[15:58] <fiftysix> tomreyn, so noone _really_ knows? because that's sort of what would be needed right now :(
[15:59] <tomreyn> sobukus: i think it's just that it's difficult for dpkg to tell whether it should skip the hook when a removal is taking place. i also find it not ideal, but i'm sure seomeone else (witha bette runderstanding of what's involveD) has previously made up their mind on this and came to the conclusion that it'd be nice to have but involves a lot of complexity and possibly a need for new dpkg patches.
[15:59] <tomreyn> fiftysix: i don't think the source code is *that* long.
[16:01] <Zurn> Hey, does anyone know where I should go to get some guidance with getting Wine to work with Ubuntu Studio 18.04... I've done quite a bit of troubleshooting w/forums but still can't get it to launch... my output when I launch it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t24wfBfzrG/
[16:01] <sobukus> tomreyn: This puzzles me, though. As it is a recurring hardship for users.
[16:02]  * sobukus notes that the initrds returned despite the dpkg -P … further manual removing seemed to fix eventually
[16:02] <sobukus> Oh, and I got an idea: temporarily remove initramfs-tools
[16:02] <sobukus> Then install ubuntu-minimal again …
[16:02] <fiftysix> tomreyn, so the buddy just says that he googled the error message about the LV not existing and finding about needing to add a 5 second waiting period???
[16:02] <tomreyn> sobukus: unless you're looking for support, please post elsewhere.
[16:03] <tomreyn> fiftysix: you can find all sorts of weird suggestions of you do a web search for any given error message.
[16:04] <tomreyn> fiftysix: and especially when they don't match the ubuntu release you're trying to fix, it's better to just ignore those.
[16:06] <fiftysix> tomreyn, okay, thanks for giving me back some self-confidence :D
[16:06] <tomreyn> ;-)
[16:08] <fiftysix> tomreyn, i'll take the bike to the hardware store now and buy a hammer. joke, though. i'll buy 200 screws, mostly because they're out and i want to clear my head.
[16:08] <tomreyn> fiftysix: good luck.
[16:09] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, when I mount sdh1 in /mnt is not mounting sdh2 in the other directory do I have to do that manually? what now
[16:09] <tomreyn> !wine | Zurn
[16:10] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: back
[16:10] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: once the fstab stuff is right, "mount -a" should mount everything in fstab
[16:11] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, I fixed it I changed the uuid of sda2 for the uuid of sdh2
[16:11] <Miguel2013> dont know about the rest of options that were for sda2
[16:12] <fiftysix> tomreyn, the initramfs doesn't even include cryptsetup tools
[16:12] <fiftysix> nevermind, off to the hardware store for now
[16:13] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: can you open another terminal, leaving the chroot one open, and type "(sudo blkid; cat /mnt/etc/fstab) | nc termbin.com 9999"     put the "(" ")" in the command as well
[16:15] <sobukus> tomreyn: Well, sorry if I gave a wrong impression. I'm off trying to keep that server alive.
[16:16] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, no such file or directory
[16:16] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: did you run that in a different terminal?
[16:17] <Miguel2013> yes
[16:17] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: are you sure /mnt still has sdh1 ?
[16:17] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, I restarted pc I'll run all ur commands now
[16:18] <tomreyn> sobukus: can you sum up what's the problem you're triyng to solve? sorry if you did previously, i may have missed it.
[16:22] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, ok /sdh2 mounted as boot/efi
[16:23] <Miguel2013> after mount -a
[16:23] <sobukus> tomreyn: I did solve it (messy). It is this recurring problem: 1. /boot is full so that update-initramfs fails. 2. trying to remove old kernels results in regenerating initramfs _first_, failing → no attempt to actually remove the kernel because of the failure.
[16:23] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: ok, type from outside the chroot terminal "sudo mount -B /run /mnt/run"
[16:24] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: then from the chroot terminal type "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999"
[16:25] <tomreyn> sobukus: if this happens, the easiest approach is moving or deleting an older kernels' initrd first
[16:25] <sobukus> tomreyn: I wondered if there is a switch to avoid the superfluous/harmful update-initramfs. Does not seem to be the case, but temporarily removing initramfs-tools seems to be a workaround.
[16:25] <tomreyn> sobukus: but ideally you'll take precautions for this not happening in the first place
[16:26] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, did those 2
[16:26] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, d9q2
[16:26] <sobukus> tomreyn: Sure. Avoiding it is best;-) But I want to stress the point that deleting the old initrds does not help: They are all regenerated:-(
[16:27] <sobukus> (at least on this 16.04 system)
[16:27] <tomreyn> sobukus: right, i should have said kernel and initrd
[16:28] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: type "apt-get install grub-efi-amd64"
[16:28] <sobukus> OK, removing image and initrd files. Right. And then remember to remove the corresponding packages to keep it clean. Yeah, thanks, that is maybe simpler and safer than removing initramfs-tools.
[16:28] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: then type "apt-get purge grub-pc grub-pc-bin"
[16:28] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, from chroot window?
[16:31] <tomreyn> sobukus: if you have /boot on the same file system as / and /var you can also apt clean, clear out files in /tmp selectively.
[16:31] <tomreyn> + /var/tmp
[16:32] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: yeah
[16:33] <sobukus> tomreyn: Uh, if / was full, I'd have a bit more of a problem;-) But thanks.
[16:34] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: done?
[16:35] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, remove grub 2 window shows now
[16:35] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: ok saw yes
[16:35] <EriC^^_> *say
[16:35] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, is done
[16:36] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: type "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999" again
[16:37] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, cwqx
[16:37] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: also, type "grub-install --removable"
[16:38] <EriC^^_> that's so that it makes the default files so it can boot on any PC not just the one you have, since it's a usb install
[16:38] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: let me know any errors it says of course
[16:39] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, no errors
[16:39] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: ok, type "ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999" just to see everything is in place
[16:39] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: also, type "update-grub"
[16:41] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, far1
[16:41] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, there are 2 efi directories is that normal?
[16:43] <tomreyn> /boot/efi/EFI/ is normal, yes
[16:44] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: yup, it's perfectly normal
[16:44] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: did you run "update-grub" ?
[16:45] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: if you want to add this USB to your current PC, so that you dont have to press F9 or whatever and choose "UEFI USB" to boot it, then type "grub-install"
[16:46] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, yes I ran
[16:48] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, it gave me a probe error for the partition that the live cd is on, is that something I can ignore?
[16:48] <Miguel2013> ssd1
[16:48] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: cool, yeah it's fine
[16:48] <Miguel2013> sdd1
[16:48] <Miguel2013> k cool
[16:48] <EriC^^_> Miguel2013: alright, if all is done, try rebooting and if you didnt run grub-install then choose USB UEFI in the bios to boot it
[16:49] <mayankmadan> Hi everyone. Im using ubuntu 18.10 and i checked my memory usage in system monitor and its about 85% used(6.5GiB used out of 7.7). So i checked out the processes tab in the system monitor but the memory used by the processes dont add up to 6.5GB.
[16:50] <mayankmadan> is there a better way to check which process is hogging up most of the RAM
[16:50] <EriC^^_> !linuxatemyram | mayankmadan
[16:50] <EriC^^_> !ram | mayankmadan
[16:50] <EriC^^_> mayankmadan: what does "free -h" show ? http://paste.ubuntu.com
[16:53] <Miguel2013> EriC^^_, it boots on desktop now I'll try 2 diff laptops
[16:54] <mayankmadan> EriC^^_, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TJdyDTKdC7/
[16:54] <mayankmadan> so its fine then right?
[16:55] <EriC^^_> mayankmadan: yeah i think so
[17:02] <mayankmadan> So there was another problem, It takes me about 2 mins to boot and then after that it takes a long time to start any application. So i cant really work properly on my laptop for another couple of minutes which gets really frustrating. But I cant replicate this behaviour on my desktop. Is it possible that something is wrong with my installation then?
[17:10] <miguel2013> EriC^^_: thanks is working like a champion
[17:10] <miguel2013> this is the 2nd laptop it can boot with no issues
[17:11] <A_Democrat> Good day everyone!
[17:11] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: sudo systemd-analyze critical-chain; sudo systemd-analyze blame
[17:11] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: also inspect journalctl -b
[17:11] <mayankmadan> is this to be done right after the reboot or i can do it anytime?
[17:12] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: anytime. you can share output with us using a pastebin and the pastebinit CLI utility.
[17:12] <tomreyn> if you do, be sure to also tell us which command created a given output,
[17:31] <A_Democrat> I like Ubuntu OS
[17:34] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, systemd-analyze blame: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KydbnxZJXb/
[17:35] <mayankmadan> systemd-analyze critical-chain: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WVrCgZwFkF/
[17:36] <mayankmadan> journalctl-b generated a huge output. when i tried to redirect it to a file, i had to stop midway and the output file was about 450MB
[17:37] <tacomaster> Can someone please help me getting windows 10 on a usb. I am pretty sure that ubuntu is great for some people but I really am just wanting to get back to windows 10. I have tried woeusb and it gives me a exit code of 256 with both cli and gui app. I have even tried to instal virtualbox and installed windows 10 and the ext pack connected the usb and tried to install with rufus. I also tried to partition as ntfs and mount the iso a
[17:39] <tacomaster> I am on 18.04 for the moment
[17:41] <blackflow> there's no going back...   :)
[17:42] <tacomaster> Sure seems that way. I have just had so many issues with a machine that is supposed to be certified to work with ubuntu
[17:42] <phazon> tacomaster: dd if=/path/to/windows10.iso of=/dev/usb_device_here
[17:42] <tacomaster> wifi is so slow, sometimes boot into black screen, Ubuntu just lock up when I am trying to wake up the machine
[17:43] <phazon> can also just use 'cat' instead of 'dd'
[17:43] <tacomaster> phazon: I thought cat was for just reading the contents of a file?
[17:43] <phazon> tacomaster: what is your wireless device and what kind of issues are you having with the ubuntu box?
[17:44] <tacomaster> phazon: Very low graphical preformance with an intel hd 530
[17:44] <tacomaster> wifi is only getting about 1-3Mbps when one windows I am getting close to 500+ on wifi
[17:44] <tacomaster> let me get the wifi driver and modle
[17:45] <tacomaster> model
[17:45] <tacomaster> lspci gives me 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev 3a)
[17:45] <phazon> tacomaster: yes, read contents of file, and write it to the usb device: 'cat windows10.iso >/dev/usb_device_here'
[17:45] <blackflow> phazon: tacomaster: win10 ISO can be dd'ed? previous windows ISOs could not, needed special program or manual fiddling via unpacking and NTFS-ing the stick
[17:46] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: then you either missed -b, or something is constantly logging due to a malfunction. you can use "journalctl -n 100" to get just the 100 last lines, so as to check what keeps writing to the log
[17:46] <tacomaster> random lock up's when starting the computer from sleep
[17:46] <blackflow> also don't cat but cp
[17:47] <tacomaster> screen just hangs on black after the lightdm (if it is still the same launcher as the past with unity)
[17:47] <phazon> tacomaster: is the sometimes display freezing when you return the machine from suspend, or it's just black?
[17:47] <tacomaster> gnome will lock up and force me to go to tty to restart the graphic service
[17:48] <tacomaster> phazon: from sleep it will freeze and not even let me get to a tty shell
[17:48] <phazon> tacomaster: i have the same problem in debian :)
[17:48] <tacomaster> I am just blown away because my system shows to be "certified compatible" from ubuntu
[17:49] <phazon> i think it is related to the intel graphics driver; there is something that can be add to grubs kernel line at boot which is supposed to help but i dont recall what it is
[17:49] <blackflow> nomodeset ?
[17:50] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: the boot log doesn't look strictly wrong to me. maybe it's not the newest hardware?
[17:50]  * tomreyn bbl
[17:51] <phazon> blackflow: may be, but not sure
[17:51] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, its a i7 6700HQ and nvidia 950m
[17:52] <mayankmadan> i switched to intel's on board graphics to check if the problem was with the nvidia drivers or something but it didnt really help
[17:55] <A_Democrat> clear
[18:00] <lucas-arg> hello all, i have problems connect my wired ethernet card, works ok in windows, but here in ubuntu and any other distro it wont connect, dont even know how to start debbugin the problem
[18:02] <ioria> lucas-arg, what kind of problem ?
[18:02] <lucas-arg> it wont
[18:02] <lucas-arg> it wont connect to the internet
[18:03] <ioria> lucas-arg, check 'ip a'
[18:03] <lucas-arg> wired ethernet cable is connected to the router
[18:03] <ioria> lucas-arg, better paste it
[18:04] <lucas-arg> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cNdpTTrm63/
[18:06] <ioria> lucas-arg, lspci -nnk
[18:07] <phazon> tacomaster: try adding 'intel_idle.max_cstate=1' to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT within /etc/default/grub
[18:07] <lucas-arg> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kb5r6FpXY6/
[18:07] <phazon> tacomaster: this will however disable some lower-power and power saving modes of the cpu
[18:08] <phazon> tacomaster: alternatively, one could disable hardware acceleration, but that doesnt seem entirely reasonable
[18:09] <ioria> lucas-arg, sudo modprobe e1000e && dmesg | grep e1000e
[18:09] <lucas-arg> ioria, it was working ok some time but after some kernel update or something it just wont work in any distro
[18:09] <ioria> lucas-arg, sudo modprobe e1000e && dmesg | grep e1000e
[18:10] <lucas-arg> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4ZHJs8Fr4s/
[18:10] <CVirus> Why can't I use "Alt + Capslock" as a keyboard shortcut?
[18:11] <phazon> tacomaster: if the grub thing doesnt work, maybe come back and we can try other things
[18:12] <lucas-arg> ioria, any ideas?
[18:12] <ioria> lucas-arg, cat /proc/cmdline
[18:12] <ioria> lucas-arg, you can paste here
[18:12] <phazon> tacomaster: usually takes a while for the bug to trigger, and even then the freeze is not always consistent (at least from my experience)
[18:13] <ioria> lucas-arg, and did you configure in some way that eno interface ?
[18:13] <blackflow> I'm willing to bet eno1 is not configured because wifi is. if wifi is disabled, eno1 would get dhcp'd
[18:14] <lucas-arg> ioria, BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-45-generic root=UUID=7b6a191a-3792-4f00-9ec4-8641de7c15e4 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[18:15] <ioria> lucas-arg,  cat /etc/netplan/*.yaml
[18:16] <lucas-arg> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wjHQWtpC2k/
[18:17] <ioria> lucas-arg,  cd in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections   and paste the file you have there (you might need sudo)
[18:19] <lucas-arg> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S4TZz5YyZY/
[18:19] <lucas-arg> ioria, thats the ethernet connection
[18:19] <MarcWeber> I tried installing ibuntu on stick with rufus which worked but I was not able to install software.
[18:19] <blackflow> lucas-arg: did you perchance try to disable wifi through the NM widget and see if the wired network would start working?
[18:19] <MarcWeber> What guide to follow ?
[18:19] <lucas-arg> blackflow, i have
[18:20] <ioria> lucas-arg,  i think you need to open NM and configure your interface
[18:21] <ioria> lucas-arg,  i'd try to set it manual for now
[18:21] <blackflow> lucas-arg: and then tried to "Turn on" under "Wired connected" of the widget?
[18:22] <lucas-arg> ioria, well... i have tried that couple of times
[18:23] <lucas-arg> blackflow, i whish it would be that easy
[18:23] <ioria> lucas-arg,  you can see by yourself that the ip is not set
[18:24] <blackflow> lucas-arg: did you try forcing a static config or even running dhclient on the interface, from command line?
[18:24] <blackflow> if that works or not will narrow down the possibilities where the problem is
[18:25] <ioria> lucas-arg,  turn down wifi temporary , and configure manually the ethenet interface
[18:25] <lucas-arg> ill try
[18:26] <ioria> lucas-arg,  in this range i mean : 192.168.0.xxx/24
[18:27] <phazon> tacomaster: if you can ssh into the box from another machine when it locks up, the contents of /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_error_state might be helpful in digging out why it goes belly up, and exactly what to do about it
[18:33] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, but i tried it on my desktop which has a weaker i5 6500 and it worked fine on that
[18:46] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: the postgresql server surely impacts the boot speed, what kind of disks do you have there?
[18:52] <sparr> What should be setting LC_ALL in my shells/environments?
[18:55] <Iarla> I get WiFi but no internet on 16.04. Other machines are okay. Can anyone help me trouble shoot? I get an IP address from DHCP.
[18:56] <tomreyn> sparr: usually unset
[18:57] <kk4ewt> Iarla, what ip
[18:58] <Iarla> kk4ewt: 192.168.1.110
[18:59] <kk4ewt> output of lspci to a pastebin please
[18:59] <jeremy31> Iarla: in terminal answer yes when you run this command> sudo dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf
[19:02] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, its an hdd at 7200 RPM
[19:02] <mayankmadan> im not sure what you mean by kind of disk
[19:02] <Iarla> kk4ewt: working on it. jeremy31, done.
[19:03] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: yes that's pretty much what i meant. hdd vs ssd vs nvme, and if hdd, rotational speed.
[19:03] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: does it always take 2 minutes to boot or was it just this one time?
[19:03] <jeremy31> Iarla: in terminal do> sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf && systemctl restart network-manager.service
[19:04] <Iarla> kk4ewt: https://pastebin.com/M7YLJuSy
[19:05] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, always
[19:05] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, actually the laptop came with windows 10 and i decided to dual boot it
[19:05] <mayankmadan> so maybe some installation problem?
[19:05] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: hmm well then it seems even more necessary now to review the journal
[19:05] <Iarla> jeremy31: done
[19:06] <jeremy31> Iarla: Test it out
[19:06] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, does it require a restart or i can do it at anytime?
[19:06] <Iarla> jeremy31: I still can't ping google.com.
[19:07] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: anytime, as i told you last time you asked.
[19:07] <jeremy31> Iarla: Run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal and post the URL after the second command is run
[19:08] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: so far i dont see why a slow (but working) boot would be a result of dual booting
[19:08] <Iarla> jeremy31: wget won't be able to reach a URL, but I'll try it since I'm not familiar with the rest of it.
[19:09] <Iarla> jeremy31: wget: unable to resolve host address github.com. Is this something I can download on another machine and transfer?
[19:12] <jeremy31> Iarla: you can download https://github.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/raw/master/wireless-info save as a txt file and transfer it to Ubuntu
[19:12] <phazon> Iarla: it's a shell script; just copy it over via usb, floppy or carrier pigeon
[19:12] <jeremy31> Make it executable in Ubuntu, run the file and then copy the wireless-info.txt file back
[19:14] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, here is the output of journalctl -b -n 100: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VTXCNRkqyy/
[19:15] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: uninstall the gnome-system-monitor snap, install the gnome-system-monitor package via apt
[19:16] <jeremy31> iarla> wget -N -t 5 -T 10 --no-check-certificate https://192.30.253.112/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/raw/master/wireless-info && chmod +x wireless-info && ./wireless-info
[19:17] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/1791454
[19:18] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: do you use xserver-xorg or xwayland?
[19:19] <Iarla> jeremy31: connection timed out on that last one (I don't have an internet connection on the problem machine). But I did get a text file and an archive from that script you sent me. Pastebin?
[19:19] <jeremy31> Iarla: pastebin is ok
[19:20] <Iarla> jeremy31: https://pastebin.com/SCJkf0Da
[19:21] <tomreyn> lol @ kernel
[19:22] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, not quiet sure about that :)
[19:22] <tomreyn> Iarla: this system runs a 3.13.0 kernel from 2015
[19:23] <tomreyn> Iarla: Ubuntu 16.04 'Xenial Xerus' comes with Linux 4.4.0
[19:24] <ioria> Iarla, can you paste '  uname -r  ' ?
[19:24] <Iarla> tomreyn: I see what mean now in uname -a. I don't understand though. We have been updating it (child's school laptop). Id' expect it to be a few months behind but not years.
[19:25] <Iarla> uname -a says; 3.13.0-65-generic #106-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 22:08:27 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:26] <ioria> Iarla, also check /boot directory if you have a 4.4 kernel
[19:26] <tomreyn> it should not be behind the ubuntu release you're running on it, and even if you were running ubuntu 14.04 trusty tahr (which comes with a 3.13.0 kernel and looses support in two months) you'd be runing a much higher patch level, and a kernel which was produced within the past few months, not in 2015.
[19:26] <Iarla> ioria: there are 4.4.0-0-...-generic entries there, yes.
[19:27] <Iarla> Maybe it's booting the wrong one.
[19:27] <ioria> Iarla,    yep
[19:27] <ioria> Iarla,   cat /etc/default/grub
[19:27] <ioria> Iarla,   and please plug  you Ethernet controller
[19:27] <ioria> *r
[19:30] <Iarla> Networking is fine with new kernel - no idea how I got there but must clear out the old ones. Here's the output of /etc/default/grub ioria https://pastebin.com/fytGjrQj
[19:31] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: so my kernel 'comment' wasn't addressed to you. have you been able to get rid of the log spill, yet?
[19:31] <ioria> Iarla,   you can see by yourself : GRUB_DEFAULT="Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 3.13.0-65-generic"
[19:31] <tomreyn> Iarla: line 7 is the problem. just comment out this line.
[19:32] <Iarla> Thanks. They must have gotten into that GRUB menu at boot. I'll remove it. And purge the older kernels.
[19:32] <ioria> Iarla,   GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[19:32] <ioria>  and sudo update-grub
[19:32] <tomreyn> actually make it GRUB_DEFAULT=0, as ioria says. sorry.
[19:34] <Iarla> ioria, tomreyn thanks. Done.
[19:34] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, i used -n 100 to limit the output to 100 lines as you said
[19:34] <ioria> ok, good
[19:34] <Iarla> Although purge hasn't removed the older kernels.
[19:35] <Iarla> Following the instruction here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[19:35] <ioria> Iarla,  dpkg -l | greplinux-image | pastebinit
[19:35] <ioria> Iarla,  dpkg -l | grep linux-image | pastebinit
[19:36] <Iarla> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RXbb5w5jQb/
[19:37] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: yes, i understood so much. let me explain again: these very same lines you saw on the output of this log keep repeating many times each second, and all of them are logged to disk on your computer. this takes a lot of effort and achieves nothing. it's a bug. you should try to prevent this log spill. i suggested a possible solution, replacing the snap package by a package of the same name, installed by apt. have you done this? if so,
[19:37] <tomreyn> did this stop the log spill?
[19:37] <tomreyn> or do you care?
[19:38] <tomreyn> Iarla: plenty. you can and probably should remove all the 3.13.0 ones, and also all the older 4.4.0 ones.
[19:39] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, i did remove the snap package and installed the apt one
[19:40] <ioria> Iarla,  it should work :  dpkg -l | grep linux-image-3.13  | xargs sudo apt purge  -y
[19:42] <SlidingHorn> I have a possibly stupid question:  I have a laptop running Ubuntu Mate 18.04 that I sometimes use SSH to log into from another machine.  My problem is that I can only do this if I've logged into the desktop environment on the machine, rather than being able to do so when the machine is booted and not logged in.  Just wondering if there's a step I'm not understanding
[19:42] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: did it stop the log spill then? you can run "journalctl -n 100" again and see whether there are still a lot of new lines logged every second with a current timestamp.
[19:43] <Iarla> ioria: it doesn't work because the 'headers have been removed'. Maybe by the purge. Maybe it's okay now.
[19:44] <tomreyn> Iarla: i think this would remove all the other unneeded packages, too: sudo apt purge 'linux-.*-3.13.0.*' 'linux-.*-4.4.0-[0-9][0-9]-.*'
[19:46] <ioria> Iarla,  dpkg -l | grep linux-image | pastebinit
[19:46] <tomreyn> Iarla: also make sure that the "linux-generic" package is installed (sudo apt install linux-generic)
[19:47] <Iarla> that was my next question, how to make sure I have at least one remaining kernel :) I'll do taht tomreyn, thank you.
[19:47] <ioria> Iarla,  we're purging 3.13, you use 4.4
[19:48] <tomreyn> Iarla: the instructions ioria and i provided would only remove the older kernel packages, not the latest ones (version 4.4.0 with a 3 digit patch level)
[19:49] <Iarla> Thanks. I saw 4.4 pass by on the terminal but it was only "found linux image". They weren't included in the "Purgig" lines.
[19:50] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, well now im getting this line over and over
[19:50] <mayankmadan> Feb 10 00:49:47 mayank update-notifier.desktop[2936]: Cannot stat file /proc/179
[19:50] <ioria> Iarlo sorry, forget the AWK
[19:51] <ioria> Iarla, dpkg -l | grep linux-image-3.13| awk '{print $2}' | xargs sudo apt  purge -y
[19:52] <Iarla> ioria: tomreyn et al, thanks. Old packges are gone and it's booting into a modern kernel. Working wifi too. Really appreciate the help!
[19:52] <ioria> Iarla, ok
[19:52] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, maybe the line is truncated
[19:52] <mayankmadan> wait
[19:53] <SlidingHorn> I figured out my issue - I didn't have the network set up to be available to "all users", so there was no network connection *at all* until I logged in.
[20:00] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, so im getting this line again and again: Feb 10 00:49:47 mayank update-notifier.desktop[2936]: Cannot stat file /proc/17985/fd/1023: Permission denied
[20:00] <mayankmadan> i have no idea why there is no permissions
[20:02] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: hmm, searching this message only brings up one other report where this happened.
[20:02] <tomreyn> searching the www for this message, that is.
[20:03] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: i suggest you reboot and see if it goes away
[20:03] <mayankmadan> okay
[20:06] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: just     journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    when you're back.
[20:08] <mirazi_heket> hey, how do i remove client and channel from google search (firefox)?
[20:08] <mirazi_heket> example URL: https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=firefox+modify+search+engines&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[20:14] <SlidingHorn> mirazi_heket: long story short - You can't without installing a version of Firefox that's not supported.  Even if you do so, you're not "hiding" anything more from google than you would be with the current version, as they'll receive that information in the "user agent" portion of the request header
[20:15] <mirazi_heket> in previous ubuntu install i was able to remove it, just dont remember how, anyway - i can slice out big chunk by removing js, cookies and not needed scripts
[20:16] <SlidingHorn> mirazi_heket: you can install a firefox addon like neaturl or cleanurl, but again, Google will still be getting the same information, regardless.
[20:16] <SlidingHorn> it's an exercise in futility.
[20:18] <SlidingHorn> mirazi_heket: I think there's also an extension/add-on that spoofs user agent information, but that's not really in the scope of this channel. You'll have to do a search for it
[20:19] <tomreyn> mirazi_heket: you could also consider using a different default search engine.
[20:19] <tomreyn> or edit it as you inted https://superuser.com/questions/1269805/how-to-edit-search-engines-in-firefox-quantum
[20:20] <tomreyn> search engine editor https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mozlz4-edit/
[20:30] <Trel> I figured I may as well ask here too.  I'm having an issue loggin in via TTY.  When I type my username and hit enter, it says "Password: " but then adds a newline, putting me below the prompt, and displays unmasked characters (and the password doesn't work)
[20:30] <Trel> Has anyone seen anything like this?  I was able to get into the machine by enabling graphical.target as my default, but that's not something I want to keep as I NEED to be able to login via TTY
[20:32] <ioria> Trel, graphical.target is default on desktop edition ...
[20:33] <OerHeks> 1st entry username <enter> 2nd line password, how hard can that be?
[20:33] <tomreyn> Trel: hmm someone else reported similar issues with logging in to tty a few days ago here. for them ,aftzer entering their username, they'd immediately get  several line feeds
[20:33] <x3r0x> ubuntu sucks
[20:33] <ioria> Trel, are you on desktop or server ed ?
[20:34] <peter-bittner> Hi, where do I best report a bug of the liking, "blacklist kernel module ideapad_laptop for Lenovo Yoga"?
[20:35] <OerHeks> peter-bittner, file a bug against that kernel module?
[20:35] <OerHeks> !bug
[20:35] <tomreyn> Trel: can you generally tell us more about this system? hardware, ubuntu variant and version, kernel versin, boot parameters, your customizations
[20:35] <Trel> ioria:  It's KDE Neon (Ubuntu based) but I manually set multiuser.target as default.  I figured I should ask here since it might not be unique to Neon.  tomreyn, that's exactly what's happening, but only one linefeed
[20:35] <OerHeks> not sure what the bug could be ..
[20:35] <ioria> Trel, idt neon is supported
[20:36] <OerHeks> neon has its own ppa, no?
[20:36] <tomreyn> Trel: so it's not exactly the same as what was previously reported. output differs. but still this is unexpected in the same way.
[20:37] <Trel> tomreyn: not exactly in that the number of linefeeds assuming they got multiple each tine differs, but the line feed happening is the same.
[20:37] <Trel> Did they ever find the reason?
[20:38] <peter-bittner> Ah, good point. So, what's the package name for the kernel module "ideapad_laptop"? (for running ubuntu-bug ...)
[20:38] <justtesting> is anyone using QUASSEL ? i cannot seem to WHOIS anyone , or ping etc
[20:38] <justtesting> (sorry for interrupting)
[20:38] <tomreyn> Trel: no, but now you mention it i *think* they were also using kde neon. and we only support ubuntu and its official !flavours here for not always obvious reasons such as these.
[20:39] <Trel> That I know, I asked here in case it was a known issue with upstream.
[20:39] <tomreyn> not that i know of. you can, of course, search launchpad.
[20:40] <Trel> I did have a kernel update as part of the updates, so I'm going to try downloading and older one
[20:42] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: What kernel are you using?
[20:43] <ioria> Trel, https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=309&t=156966
[20:44] <Trel> tomreyn:  kernel makes the difference 4.15.0-32-generic works, 4.15.0-45-generic has the login issue
[20:44] <peter-bittner> 4.18.0-10-generic #11-Ubuntu SMP, which is the one installed by default on a fresh 18.10 Cosmic installation.
[20:45] <Trel> ioria: according to apt, the affected kernel comes from the main Ubuntu bionic repo, so this may affect Ubuntu as well.
[20:45] <Trel> not just Neon
[20:46] <ioria> Trel, but it works here (same kernel)
[20:46] <mirazi_heket> tomreyn: that extension will do, thanks a lot
[20:46] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: file bug against package linux
[20:46] <ioria> Trel, https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=309&t=156966
[20:47] <peter-bittner> Alright, what is the package name then? "linux-generic" or "linux-base"
[20:47] <Trel> Yes, I'm reading through there now. so now this question is Ubuntu/Debian generic, can you blacklist a package via apt?
[20:48] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: just file against linux, if possible
[20:48] <ioria> Trel, what package ? the kernel ?
[20:48] <[RobDude]> I'm running out of space of my main drive and I believe it is due to my syslog file.  It seems to be growing non-stop.  Can anyone help me get it under control?  The message seems to be 'MyPcName update-notifier.desktop[1863]: [16998:16998:0100/000000.068660:ERROR:zygote_linux.cc(247)] Error reading message from browser: Socket operation on non-socket (88)' repeated over and over and over
[20:49] <Trel> I want to blacklist linux-image-4.15.0-45 so it doesn't get recognized as an upgrade
[20:49] <peter-bittner> `$ ubuntu-bug linux` says, there is no such package. Hence, I need to use an actual package name.
[20:50] <ioria> Trel, 1)you don't need to 'blacklist '; 2 ) idt it's a good idea 3) you can boot (at your risk) the kernel you want
[20:50] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: try linux-generic then
[20:50] <SlidingHorn> !pin | Trel
[20:50] <OerHeks> rubdude, are you using chrome?
[20:50] <Trel> Thanks I'll give that a read in a bit
[20:51] <ioria> Trel, no sense in pinning a kernel, it willbe updated
[20:51] <[RobDude]> OerHeks, Yeah - I closing the browser/disabling addons didn't seem to stop the logs from growing though.  I found people saying it was Chrome related on various forum posts
[20:52] <Trel> Can you exclude a version from updates?
[20:52] <peter-bittner> Okay, I give up with reporting from the terminal. ;-)  `ubuntu-bug kernel-generic` still says, "This is not an official Ubuntu package."
[20:52] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: then you can try the fix at https://askubuntu.com/a/1104240/300665 no blacklisting needed
[20:52] <ioria> Trel, you don't get me
[20:52] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: linux-generic should work for bug report
[20:53] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: strange that the terminal won't work with linux as package https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[20:56] <peter-bittner> jeremy31: That solution sounds promising, but I'd rather have Canonical fix it in the installer (or by communicating with Lenovo and having their models fixed and certified).
[20:56] <OerHeks> robdude, yes, that is all i find too, are you sure you stoppen chrome comletely? there is a hidden part in memory for smart startup, pkill chrome-browser # should do the trick
[20:57] <[RobDude]> OerHeks, my bad!  You are right - there was a chrome process still running.  Killing it does stop the messages from appearing in the log.  Man, I really liked Chrome too.  I wonder if I can find a newer version or something
[20:57] <[RobDude]> Still - thank you
[20:58] <[RobDude]> I should have looked at the processes before asking for help!
[20:58] <OerHeks> robdude, now you have removed all ;plugins, restarting chrome, does it happen again?
[20:58] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: The issue has existed for a few years now and there hasn't been any help from Lenovo.  The only fixes we have seen are from upstream bug reports.  They guy that wrote the code I used is name ryuo, be nice if someone could commit it upstream
[20:59] <peter-bittner> Re the "linux" not being accepted with ubuntu-bug, maybe it's because the ubuntu-bug tool tries to report against the "linux-image-4-18.0-10-generic" package (which is what is displayed in the title of the popup window saying, "The problem cannot be reported".
[21:02] <tomreyn> Trel: Again, please seek support with your ubuntu derivate distribution using its dedicated support channels.
[21:02] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: ubuntu-bug linux works in 18.04, maybe a bug needs to be filed against ubuntu-bug or apport
[21:03] <[RobDude]> OerHeks, Well...this doesn't make any sense to me.  I've now started Chrome and the messages didn't appear, so I started turning on my plugins/extensions one at a time, expecting the messages to start again....but they didn't.  Now Chrome is running, with everything I had turned on before, but no error messages in syslog like before
[21:03] <peter-bittner> Haha, should I file the bug against ubuntu-bug using `ubuntu-bug`? Sounds like an infinite loop.
[21:04] <OerHeks> roboke, good spot, i cannot point to 1 plugin at all, i think it is a bug in a website, trying to cripple chrome and obtain sudo rights or something
[21:04] <OerHeks> robdude ^
[21:05] <OerHeks> you have chrome 72, right?
[21:05] <OerHeks> most of these bug reports occur on chrome 71
[21:06] <[RobDude]> I'm on 72.0.3626.81
[21:07] <OerHeks> oke, just checking
[21:07] <OerHeks> well, nothing we can do now
[21:07] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: whihc ubuntu version and kernel image are you using there?
[21:07] <[RobDude]> Much appreciated - thank you for your help.  At the very least knowing what it is makes it a lot more manageable.  And if it keeps happening I can always jump to using another browser.
[21:08] <OerHeks> robdude you could file a bug within chrome itself, that might help
[21:08] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: lsb_release -ds && cat /proc/version
[21:16] <peter-bittner> tomreyn: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic, and kernel 4.18.0-10-generic
[21:16] <Trel> tomreyn: I changed kernels manually, so I'm good for now, but for what it's worth, it IS a Ubuntu bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/1812095
[21:17] <Trel> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813683
[21:17] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: then it's not reportable because you don't run the latest kernel iomage
[21:18] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: or is this not amd64?
[21:19] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: dpkg --print-architecture
[21:24] <AWest21> Does anyone know if I need a USB drive formatted to NTFS or something ahead of time before trying to make a bootable USB with WoeUSB?
[21:24] <GLU> hi everyone! Im having a problem in my tty, I'm not able to login in any tty, when I type my username and hit enter it bypasses the password request and it fails 3 times like I was hitting enter enter enter enter...
[21:24] <GLU>  I know there is a reported bug, but I haven't found solutions in those threads, maybe someone here knows how to fix that
[21:25] <jeremy31> AWest21:  What are you going to put on this bootable USB?
[21:26] <jeremy31> GLU, are you using Mint?
[21:26] <OerHeks> AWest21, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/06/create-bootable-windows-10-usb-ubuntu says nothing about that, it could be blanc
[21:26] <OerHeks> jeremy31, woeusb is for windows iso's only
[21:27] <GLU> right now Yes, but I have another partition with ubuntu and the same thing happens.
[21:28] <OerHeks> tomreyn, GLU seems to have the same (hot) issue as trel?
[21:30] <tomreyn> OerHeks: yes
[21:30] <peter-bittner> Well, anyway, here is the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1815312 -- Thanks everyone for your help!
[21:31] <GLU> im an average user, I can manage to make some changes in config files, change or ad some kernel parameters but I dont really know where to start looking at
[21:31] <tomreyn> GLU: whats the output of: cat /proc/version && lsb_release -ds
[21:31] <GLU> Linux version 4.15.0-45-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-031) (gcc version 7.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.3.0-16ubuntu3)) #48-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 29 16:28:13 UTC 2019 Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa
[21:32] <tomreyn> Trel: can yo confirm that you were running (not just had installed) 4.15.0-45-generic when this tty issue occurred?
[21:32] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: there is already instructions posted for you on the bug report
[21:32] <tomreyn> GLU: oh, that' snot ubuntu
[21:32] <OerHeks> roll back a kernel
[21:32] <OerHeks> i have no issues with -45
[21:32] <GLU> yes, I told you im using LM right now but I also have another partition with ubuntu and the same thing happens
[21:33] <SlidingHorn> interesting how the only folks who seem to "have this issue with ubuntu" *also* run mint..... /s
[21:33] <OerHeks> maybe a nvidia driver ... i read about that too
[21:33] <peter-bittner> jeremy31: Sorry? I'm not sure I understand. Which instructions? On how to fix this issue? (That's not my concern.)
[21:33] <tomreyn> GLU: can we ge the same commands' output from ubuntu?
[21:33] <GLU> and I think the kernel is exactly the same for both OS
[21:34] <OerHeks> but linux mint have their own issues .. it is not a ubuntu but debian derivate
[21:34] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: a command to run in terminal to add info to your report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1815312/comments/1
[21:34] <GLU> yes, but I need to close some work stuff before rebooting, I'll be back in half an hour at least
[21:34] <tomreyn> GLU: thanks
[21:35] <peter-bittner> tomreyn: amd64
[21:35] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: please install the pending kernel updates then
[21:35] <peter-bittner> jeremy31: Ah, nice!
[21:36] <peter-bittner> tomreyn: Do you say this will fix the WiFi issue?
[21:36] <OerHeks> wait with the bugreport after the pending kernel update
[21:37] <GLU> thanx <tomreyn>
[21:37] <GLU> could you please list the commands you need for me to run under ubuntu?
[21:37] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: You have a C930?
[21:37] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: i don't know, but it's unlikely that anyone will triage your bug unless you run a recent kernel image for your release by the time you report a bug. you said you have 4.18.0-10-generic but https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/linux-image-4.18.0-15-generic is current
[21:38] <peter-bittner> tomreyn: Okay, ack.
[21:39] <tomreyn> it's also why ubuntu-bug / apport refused to file this bug (and it should also have said so)
[21:44] <peter-bittner> jeremy31: Yes, Yoga C930, 16 GiB RAM, 1 TiB SSD, Intel i7 8th Gen -- pretty decent machine
[21:46] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: I doubt Ubuntu will fix as I think you could install the 4.20 or latest release candidate kernel and still need ideapad-laptop blacklisted as that model isn't listed in the ideapad-laptop quirks list in linux-next git
[21:47] <OerHeks> jeremy31, he is one kernel behind, let him fix that before using a mainline kernel, those are for testing only
[21:48] <OerHeks> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[21:49] <murthy> peter-bittner: launchpad
[21:49] <peter-bittner> jeremy31: I don't know what will happen to that bug report. I just want to do what I can do to make GNU/Linux slash Ubuntu better. Someone may pick up the report and do whatever needs to be done.
[21:49] <OerHeks> that bugreport is invalid
[21:50] <peter-bittner> Let's make it valid then.
[21:50] <OerHeks> * as tomreyn pointed out already
[21:50] <OerHeks> oh no, you need to update and see if it persists
[21:50] <peter-bittner> Relax, I'm upgrading as we speak. Note that I have _just_ freshly installed the machine.
[21:52] <murthy> peter-bittner: you keep a watch on the bug and bring it to the notice of the developers if progress is not made, else bugs if not a priority one particularly hardware entailment, gets ignored
[21:55] <mayankmadan> tomreyn, Thanks a lot! My internet had died so i couldnt join back. But the boot time was reduced to about a minute and 15 seconds but the important part was that it wasnt slow after it logged in and i could use any app right away
[21:55] <mayankmadan> Thanks a lot
[21:56] <tomreyn> mayankmadan: good! still a long boot time. but i assume you can cut down on it if you'll uninstall / move postgresql (only if you want to, of course)
[22:00] <peter-bittner> Okay, after apt-get upgrade && dist-upgrade I'm now on kernel 4.18.0-15-generic. Is that good enough for updating the bug report?
[22:00] <tomreyn> peter-bittner: yes!
[22:01] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: try the ubuntu-bug linux in terminal
[22:01] <jeremy31> but don't send
[22:01] <tomreyn> apport-collect 1815312
[22:06] <peter-bittner> Should I change the bug status (away from "Invalid") or will someone else do that?
[22:07] <peter-bittner> jeremy31: Yes, that would have worked now! The problem seem to have been the outdated kernel. Strange "error message", though.
[22:10] <jeremy31> peter-bittner: I sent an email to someone listed as maintainer of ideapad-laptop hoping that he can add the code from ryuo upstream.  Then new Lenovos that have this same issue can be fixed by just using a module parameter rather than blacklisting the module
[22:10] <de-facto> Any idea why GPG would NOT grant me permissions to my OWN private key? Generating script with output on headless Debian Stretch amd64 ssh login for another user then "su - git": https://paste.debian.net/hidden/35f7d3c6/
[22:12] <tomreyn> de-facto: welcome to #ubuntu, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[22:13] <de-facto> tomreyn, i am searching for ideas how to debug this on debian stretch which is very similar to ubuntu 18.04 lts
[22:14] <tomreyn> de-facto: very similar is not ==, we only do support for == here.
[22:14] <de-facto> im not asking for support just for an idea
[22:14] <tomreyn> de-facto: you'Re welcome to discuss such in -offtopic or -discuss
[22:14] <ikonia> or #debian
[22:14] <tomreyn> or ##linux
[22:14] <tomreyn> but not on this ubuntu support channel ;)
[22:15] <Platonides> de-facto: I would check that you have a proper ssh-askpass
[22:16] <de-facto> Platonides, its a headless server
[22:16] <Platonides> precisely
[22:16] <Platonides> you can have gpg call a console askpass
[22:16] <Platonides> (sorry, not ssh above)
[22:17] <Platonides> but if it wanted to ask for a passphrase but is unable to, it could fail that way
[22:17] <tomreyn> GLU: sorry i missed your question earlier. are you able to roproduce this issue on 4.15.0-45-generic?
[22:18] <tomreyn> *reproduce, as in: does the login on tty issue happen there, too?
 yes I am, but right now I cannot reboot 'cause Im working
[22:18] <antoine--> Hello, I am trying to check the CID of my SD card. It is directly plugged in to a sd card reader that's integrated to my laptop (thinkpad X200). I would like to read that file ' /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:0001/cid' but my card shows up as /dev/sdb so I can't access it.
[22:18] <jeremy31> GLU, nvidia graphics?
[22:18] <tomreyn> GLU: oh, still, ok. i assumed you had rebooted since.
[22:19] <antoine--> So how can I know the CID? :)
[22:19] <jeremy31> antoine--: unmount it?
[22:20] <antoine--> jeremy31: Even if I unmount is, it still shows up as /dev/sdb
 no, Intel
[22:21] <antoine--> Like, lsblk still says "sdb      8:16   1  59,6G  0 disk "
[22:21] <GLU> sorry tomreyn, I use LM as base OS, I have this partition with ubuntu for testing purposes
[22:22] <konrados> Hello. I did 'sudo apt upgrade' ( I did do update before) and it was working and working and then on 61% it stopped and outputted this: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/70f282d63c664a22b286d854eb5b1bf9
[22:22] <konrados> i.e. Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kio-extras_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa61_amd64.deb
[22:23] <konrados> but what now? what is the error? Also - did the 'apt upgrade' upgrade anything or it reverted back to previous state?
[22:23] <OerHeks> konrados, is this kubuntu with a ppa?
[22:24] <tomreyn> GLU: no worries. when you have time to boot into ubuntu, just do it, make sure you are running 4.15.0-45-generic ("cat /proc/version" needs to report both "4.15.0" and "#45") and see if the issue still occurs. and if so, please add a comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813873 that this still affects 18.04 LTS with 4.15.0-45-generic.
[22:25] <tomreyn> konrados: disk full?
[22:25] <konrados> OerHeks, well, yes, I mean yes - it's kubuntu, but not sure what do you mean by 'with ppa'?
[22:25] <konrados> tomreyn, nope, I have 60 GB available
 ok, but the same thing happens with 4.18x
[22:26] <tomreyn> GLU: you can test and state this, too, when you have the latest 4.18 HWE kernel on ubuntu bionic installed and tested.
[22:27] <tomreyn> konrados: probably a bug with your PPA there
[22:27] <OerHeks> konrados, a package in that paste suggests there is a ppa involved, maybe a kubuntu-ppa? qml-module-org-kde-extensionplugin (5.36.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1
[22:27] <OerHeks> !ppa
[22:28] <konrados> but what do i do then?
[22:29] <tomreyn> konrados: first, you get angry with yourself for installing PPAs which don't work reliably. then you realize you will have to fix it yourself because PPAs are unsupported. then you repeat.
[22:29] <tomreyn> konrados: which ubuntu version is this? lsb_release -ds
[22:30] <OerHeks> you might want to seek help in #kubuntu, best chance for support with this ppa
[22:30] <OerHeks> 16.04
[22:30] <konrados> yes Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS
 ok, perfect I will do it this night
[22:32] <tomreyn> konrados: the bottom of apt.conf(5) explains how you can pass options to apt(-get) to get more output about dpkg subprocesses. or you could dpkg --configure -a
[22:32] <tomreyn> konrados: this wont fix it but maybe give you a better clue of whats wrong
[22:32] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install -f & sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:34] <jcdutton> Antoine, why do you need the CID ?
[22:35] <konrados> tomreyn, OerHeks -  can I ... just remove this kio-extras? sudo apt-get remove --dry-run kio-extras says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 44 not upgraded." - does it mean it will remove only this one thing and nothing more?
[22:35] <konrados> when I googled this 'kio-extras' it doesn't sound like anything important :)
[22:36] <jacklisp> does any body use fvwm ?
[22:36] <OerHeks> 44 not upgraded, try sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # to get those 44 held back packages too
[22:36] <konrados> ok!
[22:36] <tomreyn> konrados: i'm not sure what it does exactly, i'm not really into kde. whether package removal will succeed in the current state depends on how the dpkg package oncfiguration fails. you can try.
[22:37] <SlidingHorn> jacklisp: you're better off just asking your question (all on one line and in the channel) and if anyone knows the answer, they'll respond
[22:37] <OerHeks> kio is a basis module of kde, for transport http and ftp?
[22:39] <tomreyn> sound like it's rather relevant then
[22:40] <jacklisp> I can move the mouse between the fvwm desktop pager to another pager.It is not convenient.
[22:40] <jacklisp>  Does any body tell me ,How can I restrict this strange behavior?hanks a lot
[22:40] <tomreyn> well, no, it's in universe, so not essential
[22:41] <pete_> test
[22:41] <tomreyn> pete_: please test elsewhere, thanks
[22:44] <OerHeks> jacklisp, i have no clue where to search, they give an extended FAQ http://fvwm.sourceforge.net/documentation/faq/
[22:47] <OerHeks> even "many would say it is pathologically customizable." https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FVWM
[22:47] <jacklisp> Oerhesk,thanks a lot
[22:52] <de-facto> Platonides, indeed you lead me on the correct path, i had to use: echo "${GPGPASS}" | gpg --batch --no-tty --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --pinentry-mode loopback --export-secret-keys "${KEYID}"
[22:52] <de-facto> thank you
[22:53] <Platonides> you are welcome, de-facto _)
[22:53] <Platonides> :)
[22:55] <LinuxTabletUser> xd
[22:59] <TheReturnOfJo_> \quit
[22:59] <Platonides> try /quit instead :P
[23:02] <LinuxTabletUser> xd
[23:03] <LinuxTabletUser> :-)
[23:03] <gunix> is there any way to install "docker-py" without pip?
[23:03] <gunix> from apt
[23:03] <LinuxTabletUser> !9.04
[23:04] <LinuxTabletUser> !4.03
[23:04] <LinuxTabletUser> !4.09
[23:04] <tomreyn> !botabuse | LinuxTabletUser
[23:04] <SlidingHorn> LinuxTabletUser: Do you have an Ubuntu support question?  Otherwise, please take off-topic discussion elsewhere. Thanks!
[23:04] <LogicalJane> gunix: You could just clone the git, but you'd have to sort out dependencies yourself
[23:06] <LinuxTabletUser> Ok guys
[23:09] <LogicalJane> hope that helps
[23:12] <konrados> hmmm and now I can't restart my ubuntu? after the not-full-upgrade? I can't via gui, I can't start konsole, also ctrl+shift+numeric keys don't work? I was able to start hexchat though o.O
[23:12] <konrados> I hate doing upgrade, I always have some problems then :(
[23:13] <LinuxTabletUser> !bot
[23:13] <konrados> I got a popup saying I need to restart it, I tried everything, except this sysrq+something keys, because I tend to forget them ...
[23:13] <konrados> what should I do?
[23:14] <tomreyn> konrados: which upgrade did you do, and how did you do it?
[23:15] <hggdh> LinuxTabletUser: hi. We have asked you many times to refrain from asking banalities from the bot. Can you please stop now?
[23:15] <LinuxTabletUser> yes
[23:15] <konrados> tomreyn, I did sudo apt upgrade, it found issues with kiosk-extras, you suggested to use sudo dpkg --configure -a which I did, it did **not* output any errors, now trying to restart
[23:15] <tomreyn> konrados: ctrl-alt-Fn with n in 1..12 don't work either?
[23:16] <konrados> sec...
[23:16] <tomreyn> !sysrq | just in case, konrados
[23:16] <LinuxTabletUser> !botabuse | hggdh
[23:16] <konrados> tomreyn,  ah, it was ctrl+alt+fn, I need to write it down somewhere :) yeah, it works, then what, `shutdown`? In the terminal?
[23:17] <hggdh> LinuxTabletUser: please let's not go there
[23:17] <jeremy31> konrados: it might need shutdown now
[23:17] <tomreyn> konrados: i guiess with a system in the state as yours i would first try to understand the problem better before i'd (try to) reboot, but the choice is totally yours to make.,
[23:18] <konrados> jeremy31, yes, this is what I'm trying to do:)
[23:18] <gilberto> hello
[23:18] <konrados> tomreyn, oh, I thought this is what I should do to avoid any issues... after all the last command did not end up with any errors
[23:18] <tomreyn> konrados: to reboot, you can just press ctrl-alt-delete after you switched to the textual login screen
[23:18] <konrados> ok, but -  tomreyn , how do I know what kind of problems I do now?
[23:19] <LinuxTabletUser> !deb
[23:19] <LinuxTabletUser> !rpm
[23:19] <tomreyn> konrados: start by posting the output of: apt-get update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:20] <tomreyn> konrados: add 'sudo' in front
[23:21] <tomreyn> konrados: then, without sudo: apt-cache policy 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:22] <tomreyn> konrados: and then: ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:22] <konrados> ok, so first thing (update...)- https://termbin.com/anz2
[23:23] <konrados> the ..policy command: https://termbin.com/h9vi
[23:23] <fleabeard> guys, I often use 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' to update/upgrade my installation. I've seen people use 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' as well. Should I be using one over the other, or is this a scenario in which there is more than one way to skin a cat and it doesn't matter which method I use?
[23:23] <OerHeks> ppa.launchpad.net/kdevelop/release/ubuntu  ... omg
[23:24] <konrados> tomreyn, and finally the 'supporrt status...' - https://termbin.com/3sj7i
[23:24] <jeremy31> fleabeard: Not much difference between the 2
[23:24] <tomreyn> konrados: you have a lot of 3rd party repositories. have you verified that they are all compatible to ubuntu 16.04?
[23:24] <OerHeks> apt is better, but apt-get still works
[23:25] <OerHeks> and do not forget to run sudo apt full-upgrade when you see packages held back
[23:25] <fleabeard> okay, thanks guys :)
[23:25] <konrados> tomreyn, well, yeah, before installing things I think I ... do read what I do, but not sure now for 100% :(
[23:25] <justtesting> have a general q about computer habits?
[23:26] <tomreyn> justtesting: only ubuntu support here, sorry
[23:26] <jeremy31> justtesting: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:27] <tomreyn> konrados: have a look at the last thing you posted
[23:27] <konrados> tomreyn, but is this really that many? it's my desktop pc, the one I use at home.
[23:27] <konrados> tomreyn, what about this lat thing?
[23:28] <konrados> "You have 950 packages (29.3%) that are unsupported" <- this?
[23:29] <konrados> but ... is this related to my issue at hand?
[23:29] <tomreyn> konrados: you have some (not many actually) packages which are "no lionger downloadable", this means this are packages for which no apt repository is configured. these packages cannot get updates, bug and security fixes, they will always remain on the same version.
[23:29] <fleabeard> is there a way for Bluetooth to always be off? I seem to have to always go into my Bluetooth settings and toggle it off after each reboot.
[23:30] <tomreyn> konrados: about the "unsupported" packages, these are not supported by canonical. you installed those from universe or a 3rd party repository. some of these should better come from ubuntu proper, such as openssl.
[23:30] <jeremy31> fleabeard: you could always do in terminal> echo "blacklist btusb" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/btusb.conf
[23:31] <fleabeard> thanks jeremy31
[23:31] <tomreyn> konrados: and others of these may not get support from anyone, effectively making them similar to those in the first category
[23:32] <konrados> tomreyn,  "they will always remain on the same version." and "these are not supported by canonical" - I can live with that :)  I don't think I would like to limit myself to packages supported by canonical only :)
[23:32] <tomreyn> konrados: all ofthese packages may get in the way when you do an ubuntu release upügrade, such as to ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
[23:32] <konrados> tomreyn, but... do you see any serious issues there? I mean, why can't i restart my pc?
[23:33] <tomreyn> konrados: i don't see a reason why you can't restart your system, but maybe "apt-get -f install" would show one. not sure.
[23:33] <tomreyn> konrados: but i guess you can just reboot
[23:33] <konrados> tomreyn, with terminal, right? `shutdown -r`?
 konrados: to reboot, you can just press ctrl-alt-delete after you switched to the textual login screen
[23:34] <konrados> yes, ok, got it
[23:34] <tomreyn> but typing "reboot" would work, too
[23:34] <rdantas> Hello, the Dropbox and Network icons are gone from the top Unity bar, I have not found a way to get them back in the Unity tools. Is there anything else to do?
[23:35] <rdantas> Using Ubuntu 16.04.
[23:35] <konrados> tomreyn, OerHeks - thank you! I hope I'll be back in a few minutes :)
[23:35] <tomreyn> good luck
[23:35] <konrados> :)
[23:35] <xunil_> how use massive in bash?
[23:36] <tomreyn> xunil_: what do you mean?
[23:36] <xunil_> massive in bash
[23:36] <xunil_> sorry i cant say anaother
[23:37] <tomreyn> xunil_: i don't know what "massive in bash" is.
[23:37] <RoadRunner> installed Audacious 3.10.1 but it fails to start; had an earlier version that I uninstalled bfr - could old config data be responsible for the problem?
[23:38] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: maybe, this happens sometimes after upgrades. there could be other reasons, too. what does it output when you run it from a terminal?
[23:38] <xunil_> ok array in bash
[23:38] <tomreyn> xunil_: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Arrays
[23:38] <tomreyn> also ask in #bash
[23:39] <xunil_> thanks
[23:39] <SlidingHorn> xunil_: this channel is for ubuntu-specific support - #bash might be a better channel
[23:40] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: assuming command is "audacious" - "ERROR plugin-init.cc:147 [start_required]: No output plugin found.
[23:40] <RoadRunner> (Did you forget to install audacious-plugins?)
[23:40] <RoadRunner> Aborted (core dumped)"
[23:41] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: so, did you?
[23:41] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: I installed from Ubuntu software center, so I assume it installed all the needed packages
[23:42] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: yes, so would i. which ubuntu version are you runnign there? lsb_release -ds
[23:42] <OerHeks> RoadRunner, seems so, -plugins is part of the full package
[23:42] <SlidingHorn> RoadRunner: I don't think you did, as Audacious 3.10.1 isn't available for any of the current distros' repositories
[23:42] <xunil_> how save history more then 500 ?
[23:43] <jeremy31> xunil_: bash_history?
[23:43] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS
[23:43] <OerHeks> so go back to their page, get the plugin package :-D
[23:44] <SlidingHorn> s/distros'/releases'
[23:44] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: apt-cache policy audacious 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:45] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: make that: apt-cache policy audacious audacious-plugins 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:46] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: it returned: https://termbin.com/i16d8
[23:46] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: please run this:
[23:46] <tomreyn> apt-cache policy audacious audacious-plugins 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:47] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: then tell us the url it returned
[23:48] <konrados> hah, I'm alive! :) Still lots of things on the list on `apt list --upgradable`
[23:48] <RoadRunner> I did run it: and it ruturned the url I pasted above: https://termbin.com/i16d8
[23:48] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: no, what you ran was this:     make that: apt-cache policy audacious audacious-plugins 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:49] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: but we need you to run this:   apt-cache policy audacious audacious-plugins 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:51] <fleabeard> I'm assuming that in order to output terminal via termbin.com you'd have to have some package that isn't installed when using a minimal install of ubuntu?
[23:51] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: sorry, I didn't catch that... : https://termbin.com/tz9o
[23:51] <tomreyn> fleabeard: nc (netcat) should be installe dby default
[23:52] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: so you're using audacious from this PPA:ubuntuhandbook1/apps
[23:52] <fleabeard> tomreyn, I can't remember the distro (maybe mint) I could do like 'ls -l | pastebin' and it would provide a pastebin link. Is that something netcat does?
[23:53] <OerHeks> plugins installed, maybe clear ~/.config/audacious and ~/.cache/audacious
[23:53] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | fleabeard
[23:53] <fleabeard> tomreyn, cheers!
[23:54] <fleabeard> here's to hoping the fact it's pastebin and not some other service doesn't trigger some neckbeard off the planet :)
[23:54] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: what OerHeks says. it's also possiblle that the build from this PPA is just broken.
[23:55] <RoadRunner> tomreyn: so, first I had 3.7.2 from ubuntu repos, then tried to build 3.10.1 from source - didn't start; tried to install from the ppa you mentioned - didn't start; finally uninstalled and installed 3.10.1 from ubuntu repos where it seems to have appeared recently but it still doesn't start
[23:55] <OerHeks> no, it has not appeared recently in our repos
[23:55] <OerHeks> you clearly are using handbook ppa
[23:56] <tomreyn> fleabeard: pastebinit on ubuntu defaults to paste.ubuntu.com.  we don't like pastebin.com too much here, it has several issues, including intrusive ads, blocking tor.
[23:56] <RoadRunner> OerHeks: then how to explain that I see it listed in ubuntu software center?
[23:56] <Bashing-om> !info audacious cosmic
[23:57] <tomreyn> RoadRunner: software enter will show you packages which are available on your system, including from PPAs you have configured.
[23:57] <OerHeks> because the ppa ads a repo .. now clear the places i mentioned above and restart audacious
[23:58] <OerHeks> if that does not fix, file a bug on the handbook ppa website