[00:03] in /etc/apt/sources.list I do have this : "deb https://launchpad.net/~kritalime/+archive/ubuntu/ppa xenial main" and I don't want it so I do `sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:kritalime/ppa` - it wants me to confirm with enter, I do it but... it's still there, and `apt update` still outputs some warning / errors [00:03] what I'm doing wrong? [00:05] ppa-purge perhaps? [00:05] konrados: this is not a standard ppa url [00:05] those would start with http://ppa.launchpad.net [00:06] see also "technical details about this PPA" at https://launchpad.net/~kritalime/+archive/ubuntu/ppa [00:07] ok, let me test both suggestions :) [00:07] either remove it manually, or try: sudo add-apt-repository --remove 'deb https://launchpad.net/~kritalime/+archive/ubuntu/ppa xenial main' === vanquish_ is now known as vanquish33 [00:08] yeap, worked! [00:08] you may also want to "sudo apt-key remove 709901D8205BF7EC06062E0F78F9887001CEE17F" [00:09] ok, will do [00:09] you may also want to "sudo apt-key del 709901D8205BF7EC06062E0F78F9887001CEE17F" [00:09] ^ this rather [00:10] OerHeks: cleared config (there was no cache to del) - no diff: task manager shows audacious trying to start and then it terminates. Would I have more luck trying to install 3.10.1 from Synaptic Package Manager or will it still default to the same ppa I have configured? [00:10] Hi I've just installed abdr [00:11] Oops [00:11] I mean Android x86 [00:11] tomreyn, done, thanks! [00:11] RoadRunner, any apt action gives this version, to remove that ppa, use ppa purge [00:11] But it doesnt give me a selection on what OS i want, it just boots to windows 10 [00:11] !ppapurge [00:11] To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [00:12] there is no 3.10.1 in any of our repos, afaik [00:13] Can anyone help get it to work [00:13] towserthepony, neither android.x86 nor windows 10 are Ubuntu [00:13] towserthepony: this channel is about #ubuntu, do you have questions about ubuntu? [00:13] how is this possible that when doing `apt list --upgradable` I have "kio-extras/xenial 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa61 amd64 [upgradable from: 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1]" but there is no word like 'kio' in neither /etc/apt/sources.list file nor the /etc/apt/sources.list.d dir? [00:14] !find kio [00:14] Found: kde4pimlibs-kio-plugins, kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, kdesdk-kio-plugins, kdesvn-kio-plugins, kio, kio-audiocd, kio-audiocd-dev, kio-dev, kio-extras, kio-extras-data (and 401 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kio&searchon=names&suite=bionic§ion=all [00:14] Right, is there like a general linux chanel since it does use a similar things liek grub etc etc [00:14] !info kio=-extras [00:14] kio-extras (source: kio-extras): Extra functionality for kioslaves.. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:17.12.3-0ubuntu2 (bionic), package size 481 kB, installed size 2050 kB [00:14] it is from the universe repo [00:15] towserthepony: there is ##linux - but you may not have much fun with android questions there [00:15] towserthepony, again that's a freednode question so ask them, we support Ubuntu [00:15] OerHeks, what does it mean that something is from 'universe repo'? [00:15] ah, it means the official? [00:15] jups [00:15] !universe | konrados [00:15] konrados: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories. [00:15] got that! [00:16] but the extention ppa says, override by ppa repo [00:16] so it exists in universe, but you try to install the ppa package [00:16] but - then where do I have it setup? [00:16] it's nowhere in the /etc/apt/sources.list file or the /etc/apt/sources.list.d === duckgooze is now known as Taco [00:17] and when i read " ppa.launchpad.net/kdevelop/release/ubuntu ... omg" i decided to not helping this beta setup, actually [00:17] why? [00:17] what is wrong with ... this, is this about kdevelop or the version? [00:17] OerHeks: given that I seemed to have experienced the same issue whether getting 3.10.1 from this ppa (recomended by audacious creators) or from building from source maybe instead of filing a bug on the handbook ppa website, I should just report it straight to audatious people? [00:19] konrados, you have a development ppa added, and a lot more ppa s.. https://termbin.com/anz2 [00:20] OerHeks, what are "development ppa", do you mean they are in beta stages? [00:20] you should seek support in #kubuntu, and maybe they do not support them either [00:21] but what is wrong with them? [00:21] i don' ... understand? [00:22] we just can't know whether 3rd party packages will integrate well with ubuntu or break it. [00:23] you can easily introduce dependency conflicts, which can cause your system to lack security patches, and prevent software from being installable, if you use just a single badly maintained PPA. === vanquish33 is now known as vanquish32 [00:24] oh, /kdevelop > kubuntu-ppa .. anyway, it is not standard [00:24] I'm lost here, it's just an IDE a text editor, am I supposed to limit my softwares to the 'official' ones, even on my desktop pc? [00:24] Are there any good parental control options for Ubuntu that allow me to set "hours of operation" so that it automatically logs out a user at specified times? [00:25] I found something about "Gnome Nanny", but it apparently depends on an older version of Gnome and is no longer being updated. [00:25] $ sleep 2h && shutdown; #:) [00:26] konrados: I guess I could have a script that runs in the background, checking the time every 60 seconds and if it's a certain time/day combination, disallow user logins. [00:27] Gerowen, opendns has a parental dns adress, and timekeeper https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/06/timekpr-revived-easy-to-use-parental.html [00:28] not this time keeper :-D https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1002162 [00:28] nice clock though [00:29] guys, what do I do with this kio-something? please... as you can see even if I have this kdevelop, I don't have an issue with this one, but with kio-extras ... [00:30] are ppa's on the handbook ppa website made by creators of each respective app or by a separate group of people? [00:30] or, what do I do when I see "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" - how can I see the details of the issue? [00:31] 0erHeks: I will definitely give that timekpr a try, :-) I'll tinker with it in a VM first. Right the kids' PCs run Windows 10, but everything they do on Windows they can do on Linux while at the same time giving me a lot more flexibility in certain scenarios, so I'm "thinking" about moving them over. [00:32] handbook ppa is a volunteer, Ji m , that supports ubuntu with new builds to test [00:33] maybe `sudo apt-get install -f` 🙏 ? [00:34] konrados: sudo apt-get -o 'Debug::pkgDPkgPM=1' -o 'Debug::pkgDPkgProgressReporting=1' install -f [00:34] how do I find out who is the maintainer(s) for a specific package? Casper particulary? [00:35] I got a bug report that just turned 2 years last week and its still not handled even if proposed patch is included [00:35] apt-cache show casper | grep ^Maintainer [00:35] https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/casper [00:36] "Please consider filing a bug or asking a question via Launchpad before contacting the maintainer directly." [00:36] so filed a bugreport, didnt help :( [00:37] for 2 years! === Budgii_ is now known as Budgii [00:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1660206 [00:37] Launchpad bug 1660206 in casper (Ubuntu) "Make casper capable of fetching filesystem.squashfs through http" [Undecided,New] [00:37] tomreyn, I don't know what it is, but the result is here: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/9ed654b04ab94b0aa3c906b2be2ed3a1 [00:37] "before contacting the maintainer directly" doesn't meanyou may never contact them [00:42] Apachez: for a package in 'main' thi is not a great response you got there (none). i'd try different ways to get someone qualified to give me at least a cursory response. you could send mail to this mailing list, or ask in #ubuntu-bugs during uk business hours, for example. [00:42] Hey guys - I had recently installed a new version of atom from snap, and it seems to have a bug that stops it from showing the menus correctly. I would like to downgrade - but my snap no longer has a previous version in it's local repository - how do I set it to install a specific version instead? [00:43] konrados: sudo apt-get -o 'Debug::pkgDPkgPM=1' -o 'Debug::pkgDPkgProgressReporting=1' dist-upgrade [00:44] andreycizov, i am sorry, not. the site states 1.34 only https://snapcraft.io/atom [00:44] tomreyn: yeah but still, when all contacts are rerouted to the bugreport system and then simply ignored that doesnt look too good [00:45] andreycizov: --revision= Install the given revision of a snap, to which you must have developer access [00:45] andreycizov: there are also the different release channels: snap install --help [00:46] Apachez: i won't argue on this. [00:47] andreycizov: actually, what OerHeks said, in case of this package. [00:52] tomreyn, did it, the apt list --upgradable still lists lots of things to upgrade, should I do something more now? [00:53] konrados: you could show the output of both === Budgii_ is now known as Budgii [00:54] oh, yes, sec... [00:56] tomreyn, the sudo apt-get: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/3f00a50087424e0b980f0cc8d5daafc8 and the apt list --upgradable : https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/c5e4d79c32b2458a8b6748c73c174768 [00:58] btw - the lines starting with /usr/bin/dpkg... *really* are intended in this weird way [00:58] well, for me it's weird [01:02] konrados: is output of the first post (dist-upgrade) incomplete there? i don't see any errors reported, so packages should have been installed, but apt list --upgradeable then lists the same packages as upgradeable again. maybe you just missed to run "sudo apt-get update" in between [01:05] tomreyn: OerHeks: thanks guys! [01:06] andreycizov, have fun! [01:07] tomreyn, yes it is all. The weird thing is ends with a % (which I guess means there is no newline?) I also thought about redirecting the output to a file, because maybe there is something wrong with .... IDK, but it's interactive, it wants me to press Enter in the middle... so I don't know how to do it. [01:07] konrados: add -y [01:07] ok [01:08] konrados: be sure to redirect both standard and standard error outputs to the file or pastebin [01:08] ok [01:08] konrados: like so: command 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 [01:09] konrados: i'll head to bed now, maybe someone else will help, or we continue on another day [01:10] tomreyn, ok, goodnight and thank you! [01:11] just btw - doesn't seem the -y worked... https://termbin.com/7mvt [01:11] i did `sudo apt-get -y -o 'Debug::pkgDPkgPM=1' -o 'Debug::pkgDPkgProgressReporting=1' dist-upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999` === daniel is now known as Guest64907 [01:26] How can you tell which "greeter" you're using? Just installed timekpr in a VM and it depended on "unity-greeter" which isn't installed by default in 18.10. I don't mind it if it needs it as a dependency, but I also want to keep the amount of unnecessary bloat to a minimum. [01:28] ok, thank you all again, and see you tomorrow! [01:32] Gerowen: apt list --installed *greeter. Should at the least give a good hint. === akemacer__ is now known as akemacer [01:37] Bashing-om: So in the VM, as expected, unity-greeter is not installed, but on my personal system, it doesn't list anything as being installed, :p So I guess in the VM, unity-greeter hasn't "replaced" anything and shouldn't cause any issues. [01:39] Gerowen: Options: dpkg -l *greeter* . Now if it works .. leave well enough alone :) [01:45] Bashing-om: My personal one doesn't even list any there either, and the VM still uses gdm3 and works/looks the same, so I'll just leave it alone. [01:45] I just got a little curious when I saw it pulling in a greeter as a dependency. === jacklisp_ is now known as jacklisp === phoenix_firebrd is now known as murthy [02:02] hola [02:02] !es | antix_ [02:02] antix_: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. [02:03] hellou [02:11] How do I create a certificate authority that Chromium will accept that can sign any domain? I'm reading here that subjectAltName is required in OpenSSL for Chromium to trust the certificate authority, but I don't see anywhere online how to allow the certificate authority sign literally any domain. [02:22] Goop, if you find such howto, let us know ( unless you want a wildcard cert for 1 domain ) [02:31] i just set up ssh key access to my server [02:31] how do i prevent password logins [02:32] bonhoeffer, man sshd_config [02:32] Look at the AuthenticationMethods section. [02:33] thanks [02:35] hint: one sets this server side [03:21] /msg nickserv INFO jhart2 [ALL] [03:23] :) [03:57] with gsettings, is it possible to set the "return key" on a quick click, to actually perform a "return"? Right now, I have it set to be a shift, but I want it to be a dual purpose key. [04:11] do live iso use the USB’s space left as fs or physical RAM [04:18] korzq: they're left alone. For example, in a Tails USB, that space can be made into an encrypted persistent volume [04:20] so in a ubuntu iso, do i get to download more stuff if i dd it into a bigger USB? [04:21] korzq: I *think* so - you would have to create a partition for it if so [04:22] is their a tutorial on that to do so? and if i install ubuntu on a USB, is it going to work on all other computers [04:26] korzq: If you "dd" one filesystem to another, it makes the destination filesystem appear to be the same size as the source. Example, if I dd an ISO of an 8GB ISO file onto a 16GB thumb drive, it makes the thumb drive appear to be an 8GB optical disc when it's inserted. [04:27] korzq: If you install Ubuntu to a USB, it "should" work on other computers of the same system architecture (i.e. x86_64). There could be situations where it doesn't work because of hardware configuration, but I remember doing it years ago and it worked fine for me. [04:28] ok, thanks [04:28] korzq: Be careful with DD though, it's a very useful, and very powerful tool. I've literally had Windows just straight up refuse to recognize the "real" capacity of a thumbdrive I created with DD and had to boot linux again just to fix and reformat the drive, :p [04:29] yes i experience it today when i was checking my USB(dd-ed with ubuntu) and macOS tell me its very small [04:29] but fdisk shows the real size [04:30] Any more I've been using "cp" to create bootable drives just to avoid that issue in the future. It will create a partition on the destination drive of exactly the size of the source material, and leave the remainder of the drive as unallocated space. [04:31] I.E. sudo cp somefile.iso /dev/foo [04:31] Where foo is your thumb drive such as /dev/sdc or /dev/sdd , sans the number at the end since the number identifies a partition an not the device itself. [04:31] do i need to make rsdb [04:32] because for me i need to dd if=iso of=/dev/rsdb [04:34] If the destination "device", and not a partition on it, is /dev/rsdb , then that should be fine. [04:34] ok [04:35] so is using cp to put an iso into a drive going to expand the / size of the live? [04:35] korzq: No, it just creates a partition at the beginning of the drive that is the exact size of the source material. [04:36] But, since the remainder of the drive is left as unallocated, you "might" be able to expand it to the rest of the drive. [04:36] cp..? the iso is read only [04:36] 0erHeks: I've been using cp for ages to make bootable USBs. [04:36] In fact, literally like 10 minutes ago, :p [04:37] so if i install ubuntu in a x86_64, is it going to work on all x86_64 systems? [04:37] (basically all modern computers)? [04:38] Maybe, I won't promise anything, but it worked on a handful of different systems for me personally. [04:38] ok, thanks [04:38] so cp to an usb expands the iso over the whole usb, makes it writable? === Mr-Pan is now known as Mr_Pan [04:39] 0erHeks: No, it creates a partition at the beginning of the drive that looks exactly like the source file, and leaves the rest of the drive unallocated. Still works fine, but doesn't use the whole drive. [04:39] I think Gerowen mean cp puts the partition in the first partition so the disk space show correctly [04:39] korzq: Yes [04:40] ah, is their a way to like put kali, tail and ubuntu in one USB? (live) [04:40] 0erHeks: I had a couple of instances where using dd made it so that Windows wouldn't recognize the "real" capacity of a drive, it just looked like an optical disc of whatever size the ISO file was and I had to use Linux to reformat it. [04:40] korzq: There is, but I haven't done it in a very long time. There's a project out there of some kind for doing that sort of thing. [04:40] Googitube it [04:40] :p [04:41] ill duck it, thanks! [05:09] um, how will drivers be handled on a new computer if booted from a USB that was installed from another computer [05:36] korzq: Many of the common drivers are built right into the kernel. You "could" run into issues if you go from a system with, say, an NVidia card using the proprietary drivers to one using open source drivers and an AMD card. Then again, if you have both driver packages installed, it may just auto-detect and switch between them. I dunno, it's been a long time since I messed around with a portable system on a stick. I mean you'd think it wouldn't be too [05:36] much an issue because the Live system and installer for Ubuntu will boot on a wide range of hardware without having to manually screw around with drivers. [05:40] ok, thanks!! [06:01] hello [06:02] i have a ubuntu computer [06:02] Loging OFF [06:03] Hi [06:04] BYE [06:10] does anyone have any idea how to connect to a 5G wifi signal? [06:10] it keeps giving me authentication errors. [06:20] raidensnake: on what device? [06:20] raidensnake: ubuntu or debian? [06:24] ubuntu [06:24] trying to install a custom build of retropie [06:24] but need the wifi working === yourname_ is now known as solomonxie [06:55] raidensnake, what release of Ubuntu? and if you `sudo lshw -C network` is your wifi recognized? [07:40] Hi, I have a Thinkpad T480. It's been working fine with Ubuntu 18.04LTS for weeks. However suddenly my touchpad will not work. My trackpoint/nipple still works, but not the touchpad. Anyone have any ideas? [07:47] qwebirc39248, only that you disabled it (i disabled mine preferring the nipple) [07:47] guiverc_d I didn't disable it. [07:48] qwebirc39248, i can't recall how i disabled mine, a search found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/65951/how-to-disable-the-touchpad which maybe helpful (xinput list to list devices & enabling/disabling) [07:48] guiverc_d: https://i.imgur.com/irDlIgT.png [07:48] There is proof I didn't disable it. [07:49] i disabled mine by command, which may/may-not show in that (I don't know sorry) [07:50] qwebirc39248, i don't know sorry, it was my only thought (heavily influenced by my own decision..) [07:50] guiverc_d: Thank you for the help though, it's the best part of linux is the community. [07:51] :) === tom is now known as Guest79297 [08:41] google-chrome cann't pop up the window in fvwm, but in gnome normal use, Any suggestion? [08:48] hi there, a networking question: I have an external IP address which 78.47.208.yy, I'd like to "map" it to 172.30.64.1 [08:49] right now when I ping the ip address is get: From 172.30.64.1 icmp_seq=97 Destination Host Unreachable [08:49] I've routed it to the interface, that 172.30.64.1 sits on, but i think i need to do some iptables stuff? [08:57] widescreen: you need packet forwarding and a nat rule [08:57] (or a nat type rule) [08:59] home [09:00] hello there [09:01] does anyone here have trouble connecting to public wifi and their landingpage [09:01] unimatrix9: no [09:01] lol [09:02] you never use public wifi ? [09:02] why is that funy ? [09:02] funny even [09:02] yes, I use it a lot when I'm on the go [09:02] I have zero problem with it [09:03] there is a new public area , just opened here in my city, and my ubuntu laptops cant connect [09:03] ok ? [09:03] to many redirects on the popup page [09:03] looking around for an idea how to solve the problem [09:04] talk to the people who own the wifi ? [09:04] its outsourced.. [09:04] talk the the people it's outsourced too === dan_ is now known as Guest67219 [09:08] well older linux mint does work [09:09] and ? [09:09] so its probably a 18.04.1 problem somewhere , changed dns resolve config [09:10] why did you change the dns resolve config ? [09:10] ubuntu 18.04.1 has a different name resolve , might be the hickup [09:11] it has a different name resolve ? [09:11] it's DNS [09:11] it will resolve the same as any other resolver [09:12] it is most likely a later version of the browser you are using having security features to stop you getting spammed by redirect exploits [09:12] eg: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1181369 [09:14] hi folks. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack does not list any installation instructions for the 18.04 hwe stack. is it the same as for 16.04, just s/16.04/18.04/ ? (i.e. sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04) [09:14] estan: so a apt search to check the package names, but yes [09:17] ikonia: yea, i confirmed those exists, just wanted to be sure nothing had changed wrt to which packages to install. thanks. [09:17] estan: nope [09:19] estan, 18.04 doesn't get HWE until 18.04.2 comes out (eta = 14 Feb, it's in QA-testing currently) thus you're slightly early for 18.04 HWE [09:20] guiverc_d: the packages are there though, according to estan, that seems off [09:20] yes; it was expected to go out last thursday but due problems was pushed until 14-Feb. [09:20] okey thanks, got a few idea's to try .. [09:21] guiverc_d: that's interesting, was this on the mailing list ? [09:21] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-February/004694.html [09:21] have a nice day ;) [09:21] guiverc_d: saved me the bother of searching, thank you very much [09:21] guiverc_d: hm. alright. my /etc/lsb-release says i'm on 18.04.2 and i just installed linux-generic-hwe-18.04 and xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04 :o. now i'm worried i have some package repo active that i shouldn't. [09:23] estan, if you're running it, don't worry. it was kernel issues & safety-concerns (affecting a small number of users) that caused the push (time for another kernel to get pushed) - read the notice if you want detail (I haven't read it since it was release) [09:24] ah alright. i'll read the notice. thanks. (apt-cache policy linux-generic-hwe-18.04 says it was taken from the regular bionic-updates repo). [09:27] i wonder how i got on it though, since it was delayed..? [09:29] the change of date is mostly concern over ISO's I gather. As we're now a couple of days past the 7-Feb (original ETA) i'm betting you just got preparations for 7-Feb (before the notice I gave & decision made to delay) [09:31] alright. i shall reboot and cross my fingers :) (i have linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 4.18.0.15.65). [09:34] it's alive \o/ [09:35] (and hwe-support-status --verbose says "Your Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE) is supported until april 2023.") [09:55] :) [09:55] how to kill this max 5541 0.1 0.2 293668 28472 pts/2 D 10:50 ? [09:55] (when I do ps -fu) [09:56] D uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) [09:57] you can kill it but it will only apply when it becomes interruptable again, i think [09:58] tomreyn it is a scanning job to a scanner [09:58] I think it is dangling. is not there any way to really kill it? [09:59] renn0xtk9: if kill -9 doesn't kill it then no [10:00] hmm that is really shit :S [10:00] renn0xtk9: which problems does it cause? [10:01] and !language, please [10:04] tomreyn well the job seems to be hanging, may be a bug [10:04] and if I send another job it wont work [10:04] I believe if I kill it all it would work again [10:04] I could restart th ePC but I don't want now [10:07] hi, I've recently had my email inbox flooded with spam (I use thunderbird). Do you guys have any recommendation on how can I filter them? [10:08] renn0xtk9: can't comment on whether or not it's a bug. what you say sounds like one. talk to whoever wroite the software, unless it's in ubuntu [10:08] fightthewalrus: i would say #thunderbird, but channel is pretty empty :p [10:09] fightthewalrus: thunderbird comes with a mail filter. usually, mail hosts also provide some kind of server side filtering [10:10] TB comes with both rule based filters and an adaptive bayesian (?) spam filter. [10:10] tomreyn: do you happen to know if vivaldi.com does? I dug around there but could not find anything, neither in forums [10:10] fightthewalrus: i don't [10:11] thanks... maybe I need to ask this elsewhere then [10:11] this ssems to be a web browser? [10:11] how can I activate this bayesian filtering, though? [10:12] also an online community, with free email [10:12] which I use [10:12] their webmail uses roundcube. but yes, off-topic here [10:13] thanks [10:33] fightthewalrus: Perhaps #web is willing to figure out what software that service uses - if they welcome general questions. [10:35] thanks Sveta, I'll ping them just in case. I'm afraid the answer won't be so straightforward, though. [10:37] !rootirc | raislin [10:37] raislin: It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet. [10:37] Can anyone answer to this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1030572/why-was-home-encryption-dropped-in-the-18-04-installer ? [10:39] jarnos, it was discussed on Ubuntu Podcast (UK), but it was too long ago for me to be specific [10:45] jarnos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1756840 [10:45] Launchpad bug 1756840 in ecryptfs-utils (Ubuntu) "Buggy, under-maintained, not fit for main anymore; alternatives exist" [Undecided,Fix released] [11:04] hi! where is musescore icons located on ubuntu? [11:08] hola mundo [11:09] soy antonio [11:10] del modulo ASIR [11:10] soy carlitos [11:12] soy simon [11:12] i have a soy allergy [11:22] !es | raislin [11:22] raislin: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. [11:28] !lightdm [11:36] I'm trying to decide which version of (x)ubuntu to install on somone's ancient laptop, I know the 8.10 livecd boots but the 18.04 minimal produces a kernel panic after selecting install. [11:38] Natt0, the 18.04 requires your CPU to have PAE (ie. 686 class of cpu), but you should get an error telling you the cpu isn't supported so I'd check your download (or write to dvd/usb-thumb-drive - ie. check-install-media on a pae cpu first) [11:39] 8.10 is is the 2008.October release; well past EOL (it was supported 15 months).. it wouldn't be safe [11:40] I tested 18.10 (xubuntu & lubuntu) on 2004-2005 age laptops (ibm, dell, etc with single core cpu, 1gb ram) so that age should cope, but wouldn't boot on 2007 eeepc (non 686 class, no pae atom) [11:42] it's a 1998 laptop currently running xp, PII 400mhz 192MB ram 10GB hdd [11:43] pII is non-PAE, p4's aren't always PAE (later ones are) - it's too old for a modern cpu, chrome requires pae, flash (yuk) requires pae, as does lots of software (PAE = instruction capabilities in cpu) - `lscpu` to see what a cpu contains.. [11:44] s/modern cpu/modern ubuntu/ [11:46] i don't believe any supported version of Ubuntu would run on it. [11:47] Natt0, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements [11:47] also they don't use internet, as long it can process documents origination of ms office or pictures it would be fine [11:47] 256mb is ram required for CLI version of Ubuntu server. (300mhz is speed of cpu) from that document [11:50] what would the latest (unsupported) version of (x/l)ubuntu be that could support it? [11:51] off-topic in this room (only supported can be discussed here). I have no idea, it's too old, and I can't recall using less then 384mb ram myself with Ubuntu desktop. [11:52] Ubuntu was introduced in 2004 - you're after something pre-Ubuntu really. === conjo is now known as chigong [11:53] Natt0: machines that old require special OS support these days, quite likely something you'll have to build from source in order to remove features requiring i686. [11:54] pII is 586 class I'd believe; so you're looking at a kernel of that vintage (obselete & abandonded) [11:55] yes, pentiums are 586 [11:56] or I could just try intrepid as at least the live cd works? [11:56] but modern software, espeially browsers, requires SSE+ which won't be possible on a CPU that old. [11:56] we dont support end of life versions neither Natt0 [12:00] can anyone think of any reasons hexchat on ubuntu 19.04 would (vanilla setup) not have write permissions for file transfers [12:00] chigong: join #ubuntu+1 please [12:51] I am on a Xenial machine and am having problem setting up django with wsgi_mod. My mod_wsgi is form python 3.5.1 but mine is 3.5.2. Is tht a problem? [12:51] Hi folks [12:51] siavoshkc: Not really [12:52] I am a Windows user and confused about python on my system. When I write pip the wrong version gets executed [12:52] What does pip --version show? [12:52] siavoshkc: did you add external ppa's to your system? [12:53] then use the right one, you probably have several pip's such as pip2.7 pip2 pip3 etc. [12:53] Glaisher: crashes [12:53] .DistributionNotFound: The 'pip==9.0.1' distribution was not found and is required by the application [12:54] What does pip3 --version show? [12:54] siavoshkc: that's in a virtualenv, correct? [12:55] tomreyn: I used update-alternatives to fix the problem with python itself. I set python3.5m which was in /usr/bin as default [12:55] blackflow: no it is not [12:55] siavoshkc: so you're running pip as root? [12:55] lotuspsychje: I didnt do that for python [12:55] ir is pip red herring here [12:55] *or [12:56] Of course I should not use update-alternatives for pip! It is for execs right? [12:57] siavoshkc: it's to be used inside virtualenv, not outside it [12:57] blackflow: pip? Well it is global pip. [12:57] Well let me explain [12:58] create a virtualenv, activate it, upgrade pip, and install package in that. do NOT use pip to install python packages outside of a venv [12:58] My question is, how each version o python on system knows which pip it should use? [12:58] which is kind of a secondary issue wrt the original question, for which you should be using packaged apache modules and python. [13:01] siavoshkc: pip is python2, pip3 is python3 [13:01] blackflow: Got the general idea. But the problem is when I write python -m pip, it calls the correct pip. Where is this correct pip [13:01] `python` is python2 [13:03] blackflow: Changed that by update-alternatives manually [13:04] Now python is python3. And seems like python3 knows to call its own pip [13:04] siavoshkc: but then what for. you shouldn't use pip outside of a venv [13:04] siavoshkc: that breaks PEP-394 and will lead to a ton of problems. [13:04] `python` should NOT be python3 outside of a venv. [13:06] blackflow: Well I did it by googling. Didn't know it is not the right way to do it at the time. Now I may hae to undo some things. But this time I have to know exactly what I am doing. [13:06] Hope so. [13:06] siavoshkc: then listen to advice you're getting [13:07] tomreyn: yesterday you said "finally, dont run a lowlatency kernel unless you need to, and dont run a mainline kernel unless oyu need to.". but I don't know what that means. [13:07] siavoshkc: take a look at PEP-394. commands that use `python` expect it to be python2, NOT 3 [13:07] !mainline | beepbeep_ [13:07] beepbeep_: The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [13:07] tomreyn: you also asked me to run another command https://termbin.com/tl81 [13:08] blackflow: No problem. I will remove alternatives alltogether [13:08] tomreyn, lotuspsychje: okay, I think why I am running a mainline build. I'm running ubuntu on a Dell XPS and theres a problem caused by nvidea drivers. I followed this guide to fix that problem. https://gist.github.com/aaronmu/4f28dc6640c5a89db390c171b1442c01 [13:10] beepbeep_: mainline kernels were just explained to you by lotuspsychje / ubottu. [13:10] Beside that how for example python3 knows which pip to call when we write python3 -m pip? [13:10] siavoshkc: do you know what -m does? [13:10] !lowlatency is a special linux build with modifications for systems which require low latency when communicating with some hardware, such as some A/V systems. [13:11] beepbeep_: ^ [13:11] beepbeep_: you can identify lowlatency kernel builds from "uname -r" (a command you can run) [13:11] thx tomreyn, I haven't made any of these decisions conciously. I simply tried to get ubuntu working on my laptop. [13:12] tomreyn: yep, running low latency. [13:12] tomreyn: 4.19.0-041900rc8-lowlatency [13:12] beepbeep_: wich nvidia card do you have? [13:12] siavoshkc: that doesn't call /usr/bin/pip3 at all, it loads the pip python module. python3 knows where python version 3.x modules are (paths hardcoded at build time), so it loads the appropriate one [13:12] beepbeep_: you should uninstall this kernel image and use a supported one. [13:12] blackflow: I never read about it. I thought there are two versions of python tools [13:13] one is exe and one .py. By using -m you call the .py one [13:13] tomreyn: not sure if I can. This is my issue. https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/9puckt/ubuntu_1810_on_dell_xps_15_9570/ [13:13] tomreyn: the reason I'm on mainline is because I executed the suggested fix in that thread. [13:13] siavoshkc: no, there's no such dichotomy. there's python 2.x (EOL'd next year) and python 3.x. [13:14] blackflow: At least I knew it is not callin /usr/bin/pip3. There was no such file.lol [13:14] beepbeep_: can you explain what's not working when you boot on a default kernel? [13:14] WHere is a good place to create a venve so apache2 can access it? [13:14] siavoshkc: when you run /usr/bin/pip3 you run that particular script whichi is a python script that invokes the python interpreter via the shebang line [13:15] tomreyn, best way I can describe it is that the system completely freezes 5 seconds after logging into the system. [13:15] beepbeep_: "the fix in that thread" is several changes, one of them is to install an outdated mainline kernel image, the other is to set a boot parameter, which you could also do on a default ubuntu kernel that is supported. [13:15] siavoshkc: I put them under /usr/local/ but that's personal preference [13:16] right. So you're saying that if I set the boot parameter on default image, it would probably work? Someone else was saying that as well. [13:16] beepbeep_: some few ideas: we have a lot of users with better experiences with the ubuntu graphics nvidia ppa, acpi issues, check if your bios is up to date and for stable ubuntu try LTS [13:16] beepbeep_: i don't know this, we'd need to see some logs from a standard kernel where the issue occurs first of all. [13:17] tomreyn: https://gist.github.com/leoheck/c44e2167f0c90f56342aed3ba4299670 [13:17] beepbeep_: what about it? [13:18] siavoshkc: reasoning for that is that /usr/local/... is not touched by packages, and /usr/ is a good place for that kind of toolset, as libs and bins are under /usr/ [13:18] tomreyn: wanted to link a specific comment. Can you check of the very bottom comment? [13:18] Hello [13:18] siavoshkc: some treat it as "web applications" and put it under /var/www/ or somehwere, but imho /var/ is for dynamic application data, not executables. that's why I prefer /usr/ [13:18] blackflow: Wouldn't it cause user access right problems? [13:18] tomreyn: that person seems to be talking about the boot option you were talking about. So I guess I should really try again with default version and the boot option. [13:19] I need some serious help [13:19]