=== cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer
[13:41] <tomreyn> does "snap list" on 19.04 pre-releases still list a gnome package?
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: ask blueskaj, he's on dingo
[14:24] <tomreyn> thanks
[18:01] <hggdh> tomreyn: I have gtk-common-themes as a snap on Disco
[18:02] <OerHeks> this is introduuced with 18.04, i have that snap too
[18:02] <tomreyn> hggdh: i did a test install with the latest 19.04 pre-release build (from about a week ago) today and got https://termbin.com/5rno
[18:03] <tomreyn> not sure why you have fewer there
[18:03] <tomreyn> gnome-3-26-1604 is the one i was wondering about
[18:04] <tomreyn> this is to ensure desktop icons still show in current gnome verisons, amongst other, AFAIK.
[18:05] <tomreyn> it's also a dirty hack, IMO, and one which makes you depend on snaps (which i don't want to, i want it gone) if you run gnome.
[18:23] <hggdh> tomreyn: IDK either I have, on this laptop, both Gnome and KDE installed (running under KDE right now). But the g-c-t versions are quite different, with mine being 0.1-7-g1feddba
[18:24] <hggdh> my gnome-calculator package is also more up-to-date. I guess you are not running Disco
[18:38] <tomreyn> hggdh: i do, according to "lsb_release -ds" and to "cat /etc/os-release" and based on /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:39] <tomreyn> the build i used is dated 20190203
[18:40] <tomreyn> downloaded today from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:40] <tomreyn> will retry with the one form "pending"
[18:41] <tomreyn> how did you install, hggdh ?
[18:46] <hggdh> I upgraded from Cosmic
[18:47] <hggdh> and, since then, just the common full-upgrade
[18:47] <hggdh> tomreyn: so it may well be that I did not get the snaps because I already had the packages
[18:50] <tomreyn> i see
[18:53] <tomreyn> it's still a while until the release so i guess we'll see those loose ends come together yet
[18:59] <hggdh> tomreyn: also, it is probable you are getting the snaps from stable, not edge or candidate
[18:59] <hggdh> edge is at 3.31.90+git21.4a93134
[19:00] <hggdh> (for gnome-calculator)
[19:04] <tomreyn> of course, should be stable, i got a release preview
[19:07] <hggdh> tomreyn: sort of OK there, I personally do not quite like the version differences between package and snap
[19:08] <tomreyn> I personally do not quite like snap.
[19:08] <tomreyn> Or having to depend on it.
[19:10] <hggdh> I sort of like them. For example, building a raspberry setup is quite easy with snap; also, I can have -- for example -- libreoffice up-to-date.
[19:10] <hggdh> but... perhaps the deployment could be a bit more controlled
[19:11] <hggdh> another example, my pycharm-professional and clion are now snaps, and I do not need to worry about upgrading them (except for the plugins)
[19:11] <tomreyn> it's surely nice from a developer POV.
[19:12] <tomreyn> as a user, it can feel like you're getting stuff force fed
[19:12] <hggdh> yeah, quite a niche there, not really like the casual user
[19:15] <tomreyn> i have a couple issues with it, i guess the most relevant one is that it effectively undermines the security teams' oversight on what ends up on an ubuntu system
[19:16] <hggdh> that would be an interesting discussion with them
[19:16] <tomreyn> they did a great job in keeping ubuntu secure during the past years. just now you have this second, uncontrolled, way to have software installed, much or most of which is not vetted, and users have no or no good enough means to tell apart which snap they can trust and which they cant
[19:17] <tomreyn> you're right, i wont perster you more, sorry ;)
[19:17] <tomreyn> *pester
[19:17] <tomreyn> polish needed https://i.imgur.com/omhd91p.png
[19:18] <tomreyn> just to update my former report: the list of installed snaps with the latest installer snapshot remains the same
[19:19] <tomreyn> but things can change until the release