[00:23] <Myst_> Morning all.....
[00:23] <cobracommand> Evening
[00:24] <Myst_> just installed ubunto gnome with yoga 520 touch screen
[00:24] <ph88> does anyone know if i can get wx-config from the ubuntu repos ?
[00:24] <Myst_> my first experience with touch screen.
[00:25] <ph88> i can find here the help file for the program https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/wx-common/filelist but i can't find the binary
[00:25] <Myst_> Using Gnome .how can i 1. start the onboard screen manually or move the app into the panel.
[00:25] <Myst_> 2. config the the app so touch screen will work inside other apps like browser.
[00:26] <Myst_> is the manual on this somewhere or a video guide
[00:26] <Myst_> thanks
[00:26] <Myst_> any suggestions would be warmly appreciated thanks in advance
[00:27] <genii> ph88: It's in the package wx-common
[00:27] <genii> !info wx-common
[00:28] <ph88> genii, i don't see it in the file list
[00:28] <genii> ph88: So you'll have to enable the universe repository
[00:29] <ph88> that is already enabled
[00:30] <genii> !info wx-common cosmic
[00:33] <ph88> genii, check file list https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/amd64/wx-common/filelist
[00:33] <ph88> i'm on xenial btw
[00:34] <genii> ph88: Yes, seems to be a manpage for wx-config but not a binary
[00:35] <ph88> where can i find the executable ?
[00:36] <ph88> oh i found it, it's part of  libwxgtk3.0-dev
[00:36] <ph88> https://askubuntu.com/a/1116911
[00:37] <ph88> strange that the script is not in the filelist https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libwxgtk3.0-dev/filelist
[00:37] <ph88> but it works now
[00:43] <Myst_> is there some gnome tweaak tool that i can use so that i can activatre "ctrl + C" for copy , its not functioning on my install.. only right click will open a link in browser to a new tab..
[00:44] <Deihmos> did ubuntu team kill unity or you can still get it?
[00:44] <Myst_> also to modify mouse settings as ubuntu has limited options for mouse settings
[00:44] <Bashing-om> !unity | Deihmos
[00:45] <Myst_> other wise right click is dead
[00:45] <Bashing-om> Deihmos: ^^ community maintained now .
[00:45] <Myst_> i can use to highlight
[00:46] <Deihmos> trying to find it
[00:46] <Myst_> but unable to then use ctrl C
[00:46] <Myst_> to copy unless the command has changed
[00:46] <Bashing-om> !info unity bionic | Deihmos
[00:47] <OerHeks> err ..
[00:47] <OerHeks> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[00:48] <Mystified1234> ahh. it does work but not in firefox..
[01:00] <penguinepimple> hey guys, really noob question, but when i look for a process using a port, under "pid/program name" is shows a "-". i'm curious what this means and if i can find the process listening on that port?
[01:03] <eriol> .
[01:03] <laptop> hello
[01:03] <laptop> I am trying to do LUX encryption and was wondering on my amd athalon x2 1.7 ghz with 1gb and 40 gb 5400 HD will slow down the computer
[01:03] <laptop> I need the encryption in case the laptop is stolen
[01:04] <eriol> hola
[01:06] <cipherstone> penguinepimple: netstat -lpe maybe
[01:07] <cipherstone> laptop: I dont think you will see an impact
[01:07] <laptop> really even on my computer
[01:07] <laptop> with amd dual core 1.7
[01:08] <laptop> I have read it is faster to encrypt the entire HD than home
[01:08] <laptop> since it is faster
[01:08] <laptop> there is no wait encrypt post fact correct?
[01:10] <Sven_vB> my computer with xenial has an internal bluetooth antenna which I usually rfkill because it doesn't have much range anyway. I use a USB bluetooth antenna instead, but when I unplug it, bluetoothd keeps running, which is bas because it won't work with the USB antenna again until it's manually stopped or restarted. is there a way to make it quit when no antennae are active anymore?
[01:11] <Sven_vB> *which is bad
[01:15] <murthy> Sven_vB: hi
[01:16] <Sven_vB> murthy, hi :)
[01:17] <murthy> Sven_vB: you can disable the bluetooth service and see if that solves your problem
[01:18] <murthy> Sven_vB: do you know how to disable the Bluetooth service?
[01:20] <Sven_vB> murthy, nope, I usually systemctl mask services that annoy me, which would make the USB antenna not work in this case. I'll read about how to just normally disable a service and the implications.
[01:22] <murthy> Sven_vB: you could also blacklist the module used by the internal bluetooth device
[01:23] <murthy> brb
[01:23] <Sven_vB> yeah, that might be an idea
[01:24] <Sven_vB> can't find it in lsusb or lspci though. that's strange.
[01:27] <Sven_vB> oh. I looked on a slightly different computer which indeed doesn't have internal bluetooth. however, bluetooth.service is still active there, even with no BT antenna at all.
[01:27] <Sven_vB> so unloading antenna drivers probably won't help. :(
[01:31] <Sven_vB> thus, simplified problem: how do I tell bluetoothd to quit when all BT antennae have disappeared?
[01:33] <Sven_vB> meanwhile I'll add yet another cron job
[01:40] <Lost_Goat> i need help i cant ubuntu to connect to the internet anymore
[01:41] <Sven_vB> Lost_Goat, which version of Ubuntu? what did you try to make it connect? how does it usually react? how does it react now instead?
[01:42] <siloxid> I suspect my video card driver is causing my system to freeze after login. how do I change it?
[01:42] <Lost_Goat> 16.04 i was tying to change from a dhcp address to a static ip and it just sits there timing out. I know my information is correct
[01:44] <Lost_Goat> i have tried to change it through the gui but when i do a ifconfig it still shows the dhcp address
[01:46] <Sven_vB> Lost_Goat, what operation times out?
[01:46] <Lost_Goat> everything
[01:46] <Lost_Goat> ping nslookup web traffic
[01:46] <Lost_Goat> i cant ping the gateway
[01:46] <Lost_Goat> it just times out
[01:47] <murthy> Sven_vB: how does bluetoothd affect your second device?
[01:48] <murthy> siloxid: hi
[01:48] <Lost_Goat> i can ping the loopback and it responds but nothing else
[01:49] <Lost_Goat> i can ping the switch and wireless ap
[01:50] <murthy> Lost_Goat: did you restart after that?
[01:50] <Lost_Goat> murthy, restart after the ip address change ?
[01:50] <murthy> yes
[01:51] <sorin-mihai> don't restart yet. if ping switch works, check switch's connection
[01:51] <Lost_Goat> no i didnt think it would need it
[01:52] <murthy> Lost_Goat: I think a restart would clear the cache, If not, try ifdown and ifup
[01:52] <sorin-mihai> can you pastebin your config? or check the config once more with ipcalc? might have a typo there
[01:54] <Sven_vB> murthy, on both devices I need to manually stop BT before or after plugging in my USB BT antenna to make it work. (in the latter case also start it again)
[01:54] <sorin-mihai> Lost_Goat, also, check the config in the gateway/router, are you sure that the IP you set as fixed in the system isn't in use by some other device or set as fixed for a different mac than the one in your system?
[01:55] <Lost_Goat> sorin-mihai, yes i know because only the first 7 addresses are used from the static pool that i have, ill have to check to see if i can clear the mac table somehow
[01:56] <sorin-mihai> maybe restart networkmanager in the end, shouldn't need to reboot
[01:56] <Sven_vB> murthy, both are netbooks. both run xenial. they're basically clones except for the hostname, I switch them around to have one supply BT audio while the other one recharges its battery.
[01:57] <Sven_vB> well and except for minor hardware differences like one having internal BT
[01:59] <murthy> Sven_vB: when you say bluetooth device, you mean a bluetooth adapter or a device like bluetooth headset?
[02:00] <Sven_vB> I was referring to BT antennae.
[02:01] <sorin-mihai> so 2 netbooks one with internal and one with external bt adapter. that is easy. but how many bt devices and how many connected to each adapter at the same time?
[02:03] <sorin-mihai> most headphones for example don't witch easily from one bt adapter to another, even if they are able to remember both
[02:03] <sorin-mihai> s/witch/switch
[02:04] <Sven_vB> I use one USB BT antenna that I plug into the netbook I'm carrying, so my headset can always connect to that same antenna. back in Ubuntu trusty times I had 2 USB BT antennae and my netbooks dis/connected based on power supply. with xenial, PulseAudio started to do something that made my headphones not like PA's connection attempts, so now PA has to accept theirs.
[02:05] <Sven_vB> I hope that goes away in bionic so I won't have to turn my headphones off and on again when I switch netbooks.
[02:06] <sorin-mihai> you should try it from a live usb, can't say for sure
[02:06] <Sven_vB> (not just laziness, it also takes about a minute for them to turn off and on.)
[02:07] <murthy> Sven_vB: ah, that happens for me too
[02:07] <Sven_vB> sorin-mihai, sorry for not reading earlier, didn't notice you meant me not Lost_Goat.
[02:07] <sorin-mihai> heh, PA doesn't play nice with my headpones regardless of distro or version, so i just use the phone. i'd say that you need to investigate on PA
[02:08] <murthy> Sven_vB: mine sometimes defaults to hsp/hfp instead a2dp, I remove and repair and its solved
[02:09] <Deihmos> the gnome desktop environment isn't as nice as unity
[02:09] <murthy> Deihmos: I liked unity
[02:09] <murthy> but with a different theme
[02:10] <Deihmos> i liked it too
[02:10] <Sven_vB> murthy, my PA remembers A2DP mode for the duration of my user session, so that wasn't too much of a problem yet.
[02:12] <murthy> Sven_vB: does this happen in windows too?
[02:12] <Sven_vB> murthy, dunno, don't have a windows machine here.
[02:13] <Sven_vB> I could borrow one tomorrow if it helps :)
[02:14] <murthy> Sven_vB: no
[02:14] <JoeD> Hi! I installed Ubuntu mininal and now I can't find the application Create Disk
[02:15] <EriC^^> JoeD: what are you trying to do?
[02:15] <JoeD> Put Ubuntu iso to usb
[02:15] <murthy> JoeD: use rosa image writer
[02:15] <EriC^^> JoeD: is the usb plugged in?
[02:16] <murthy> JoeD: http://wiki.rosalab.ru/en/index.php/ROSA_ImageWriter
[02:16] <JoeD> murthy: I prefer the usual application
[02:16] <tomreyn> JoeD: the default one is usb-creator-gtk
[02:16] <Sven_vB> JoeD, you'll need to find that application's real name
[02:16] <JoeD> tomreyn: thank you!
[02:17] <tomreyn> gui name is "startup disk creator"
[02:17] <Sven_vB> so u-c-g works again? nice
[02:17] <JoeD> tomreyn: hahahaha lol
[02:17] <tomreyn> but you can search either
[02:18]  * Sven_vB remembers the days he wasted hours trying to run UCG again and again until it finally managed to create a casper-rw file.
[02:19] <murthy> rosa image writer is great
[02:19] <JoeD> murthy: never heard of before
[02:21] <murthy> when the startup disk created was failing for some new ubuntu beta images, I started using rosa image writer
[02:21] <Sven_vB> I learned to like the Super GRUB2 Disk. just need to do more research on how to put more ISOs on the same drive.
[02:22] <murthy> Sven_vB: try xboot
[02:22] <murthy> Sven_vB: https://www.pendrivelinux.com/xboot-multiboot-iso-usb-creator/
[02:22] <JoeD> thank you for the help guys! bye!
[02:23] <Sven_vB> murthy, thanks, but that's too graphical for me. with SGD I can just wget or copy ISOs and it will chainload them.
[02:23] <murthy> ok
[02:24] <murthy> bbl
[02:25] <Beam_Inn> is there a difference between virtualhosts and hosts ?
[02:25] <Beam_Inn> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/vhosts/name-based.html#using
[02:26] <Beam_Inn>  Inside each <VirtualHost> block, you will need at minimum a ServerName directive to designate which host is served and a DocumentRoot directive to show where in the filesystem the content for that host lives.
[02:27] <tomreyn> Beam_Inn: not in this context, no. note there is also #httpd
[02:28] <charliehorse55> hello, I am having a problem using zfs with a custom kernel. I have a new cpu (9900k), so manually installed a 4.20 series kernel in order to get working intel graphics. However, when I attempt to install zfs, it doesn't work because there is no 4.20 zfs kernel module
[02:29] <charliehorse55> https://pastebin.com/NEKikcyY
[02:30] <Sven_vB> strange, I can't find a button or link to report a new bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~bluetooth . is that their way of telling me I'm not authorized or something?
[02:31] <Oderus> hi. im tryi g to install version 3.40.0 of fil3zilla from this ppa https://launchpad.net/~sicklylife/+archive/ubuntu/filezilla but when i go to 8nstall it, it only shows me 3.39.0 from that ppa even though the ppa does have 3.40.0 for cosmic. any ideas??
[02:32] <Sven_vB> nevermind, there's a report link in the sidebar when I view an existing bug.
[02:32] <Sven_vB> Oderus, did you update your package lists?
[02:32] <Sven_vB> after adding the PPA
[02:33] <Oderus> with sudo apt update yes
[02:34] <Sven_vB> meh launchpad, that report bug link goes to another project
[02:35] <Sven_vB> looks like the bluetooth team just doesn't use launchpad for bug tracking.
[02:35] <Oderus> it sh9ws me a different version from the ppa but not the latest, which the ppa does have
[02:41] <JPSman> test
[02:42] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: you may want to report the bug against the ubuntu package instead
[02:42] <JPSman> did #ubuntu change its rules to allow nicknames already registered to enter before clearing it with NickServ?
[02:43] <tomreyn> JPSman: no idea, but you can ask in #ubuntu-ops
[02:43] <JPSman> k, thank you :)
[02:44] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: also, better use the "ubuntu-bug" application if you can, since it'll provide extra context
[02:44] <JPSman> I came in here to ask a question about how Nautilus handles files - specifically cut / paste and if you do it to multiple files, does it erase the source document AFTER its done pasteing it in the destination directory
[02:45] <JPSman> but I'm pretty sure I can do such a thing with mv
[02:45] <tomreyn> i would assume cut + paste does exactly this, mv.
[02:45] <undeclared> Is there any sort of filesystem that anyone has heard of - where I can have a multiple hard drives in one single mountpoint, but files are completely on one disk at a time.. eg, if that drive fails, there is no raid array to rebuild, you just lose whatever was on that drive?
[02:45] <JPSman> they are within the same hard drive, but different file systems
[02:46] <hggdh> well, if it were to erase-before-copying this would be rather destructive
[02:47] <tomreyn> undeclared: sounds like raid-0 kind of
[02:47] <JPSman> sure, I know.  but I want it to erase-after-copying for multiple files.
[02:47] <undeclared> tomreyn: well, kind of like raid.. but I don't want to lose everything on all drives if one drive fails
[02:47] <hggdh> JPSman: mv will work, as cut&paste should
[02:48] <undeclared> and I don't want to rebuild either, the data is not important
[02:48] <tomreyn> undeclared: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/329790/how-to-merge-multiple-hard-drives
[02:49] <JPSman> so, its just one hard disk, but two file systems, and very little free space.  I want to mv the file from one to the other.  will it delete the old file once its done being moved, to free up space so that the whole moving operation can occur?
[02:50] <undeclared> thanks tomreyn, reading
[02:51] <tomreyn> JPSman: it will need sufficient unallocated space on the target to start the operation. when it's finished, the source file will be gone. what else would you expect?
[02:52] <tomreyn> JPSman: you cannot magically save or recover space by just the process of moving a file across different file systems.
[02:52] <JPSman> tomreyn, that the operation would attempt to copy the entire source directory to the target directory before removing the files from the source directory
[02:53] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, thanks!
[02:53] <JPSman> but if its removing the source file each time, then the operation should be successful
[02:53] <JPSman> thank you :)
[02:53] <tomreyn> it'll move files individually, creating the target direcotry first, then move one file, i.e. create on target, then delete on source, then the next file etc.
[02:55] <JPSman> tomreyn, thank you, thats exactly what I wanted to hear! :)
[02:55] <JPSman> thats true of both mv in terminal and cut/paste in Nautilus?
[02:55] <tomreyn> but if you're this low on unallocated space you should really work towards more space (by deleting unneeded files or adding more storage), since these file systems will be slow.
[02:55] <tomreyn> if journalled, that is
[02:56] <h00k> hi friends
[02:56] <tomreyn> JPSman: i believe it's the sam eon the gui, yes
[02:56] <JPSman> tomreyn, I'll stick with terminal's mv just in case :)  again thank you
[02:56] <tomreyn> yw
[02:58] <undeclared> tomreyn: so I looked into lvm, the problem is that it's not fault tolerant... mhddfs seems like it, the problem is it's at the FUSE level which worries me performance wise
[03:26] <destinydriven> Hey guys, I just tried to perform an in place upgrade from mysql community 5.7.24-27 to percona 5.7 and it seems to have succeeded but for some reason when I run systemctl status mysql it's still showing 'mysql.service - MySQL Community Server'
[03:26] <destinydriven> But when I log into mysql from cmd line I see Server version: 5.7.24-27 Percona Server (GPL), Release '27', Revision 'bd42700'
[03:27] <siloxid> what is the easiest way to change the network connection to a different wifi connection from CLI?
[03:47] <Jonathan_e> Hello Everyone
[03:48] <Jonathan_e> Trying to determine the ip address for my printer connected via usb to my Ubuntu 14.04 install
[03:48] <Jonathan_e> not sure how to do this, I need to login into my printer to setup wireless network on it
[04:03] <home> hola
[04:09] <eriol> v:
[04:09] <eriol> <
[04:09] <eriol> que cayado
[04:11] <eriol> ................
[04:13] <eriol> hola
[04:56] <XxSYDxX> I can see that VS code is installed on my ubuntu, i can use it fine. now, i want to remove it but there's no vs code in the list of installed apps on ubuntu software. again when i use 'sudo apt remove code' or 'sudo snap remove code', they show a message indicating that vs code is not installed
[04:58] <SlidingHorn> XxSYDxX: if you installed it as a snap, you'll remove it by   sudo snap remove vscode
[04:58] <XxSYDxX> oooo
[04:58] <XxSYDxX> thanks
[05:12] <lowin> Hello. I have a problem with hdparm. I have a usb hdd connected to my system but I rarely use it, so I want hdparm to spin it down on inactivity but the drive never spins down
[05:12] <lowin> furthermore, any command I run with hdparm on the device gives this error: "SG_IO: bad/missing sense data, sb[]:  70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00"
[05:13] <lowin> hdparm -Y /dev/sdX doesn't work even though non of the partitions are mounted. setting hdparm -S 1 /dev/sdX doesn't work either
[05:15] <lowin> Another funny thing is that hdparm -I /dev/sdX gives funny results. sometimes it doesn't give any info and fails with "unknown device type: bits 15&14 of general configuration word 0 both set to 1" sometimes it does spit out some info
[05:34] <bitwraith> Are there any statistics availible regarding the number of downloads or installs of the different variants of ubuntu? I'm curious how the number of users running the default GNOME3 variant compares with the others.
[05:42] <JoeD> Is 18.04.2 using kernel 4.15?
[06:30] <cupcake> https://pastebin.com/wQMxMftQ  Anyone with ceph knowledge please help me on this
[06:34] <cupcake> Please let me know if the issue with kernel and if there is any fix for older kernel versions
[06:38] <pi0> anyone here use mega nz as a cloud provider
[06:38] <ducasse> pi0: try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:39] <krytarik> I guess that depends on what the actual question is.
[06:39] <pi0> i would like to know if i can mount a cloud provider as a shared drive
[06:39] <Lost_Goat> is it possible for ubuntu to do a mount command at boot time >
[06:40] <pi0> and have an icon in my file manager
[06:40] <pi0> of the cloud provider
[06:42] <Lost_Goat> is it possible for ubuntu to do a mount command at boot time >
[06:44] <pi0> to the remote cloud you mean, Lost_Goat :
[06:45] <Lost_Goat> no a local drive sorry for not specifying
[06:45] <murthy> Lost_Goat:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/164926/how-to-make-partitions-mount-at-startup
[06:45] <Lost_Goat> use mount blah blah blah
[06:45] <ducasse> !fstab | Lost_Goat
[06:45] <Lost_Goat> will it be able to mount network shares ?
[06:46] <ducasse> yes
[06:46] <Lost_Goat> i will work on the fstab but i also need ubuntu to mount a cifs share at boot as well, can fstab do that ?
[06:46] <ducasse> yes
[06:46] <Lost_Goat> ok
[06:47] <ducasse> afaik
[06:47] <Lost_Goat> oh that is not reassuring
[06:47] <ducasse> i only use nfs, but i'm pretty sure cifs works just fine as well
[06:48] <Lost_Goat> ducasse, looks like its possible https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[06:49] <ducasse> i was just about to post that :)
[06:49] <pi0> hmm ducasse do you know how to map mega nz as a network drive?
[06:50] <Lost_Goat> cant
[06:50] <ducasse> pi0: nope, no idea
[06:50] <ducasse> pi0: maybe they support webdav
[06:51] <pi0> webdav?
[06:51] <Lost_Goat> pi0, https://mega.nz/sync!linux
[06:51] <Lost_Goat> use this for a mount for mega
[06:51] <ducasse> pi0: yeah, i know webdav shares can be mounted
[06:53] <cupcake> ceph osd crush tunables hammer or legacy should fixed my issue :)
[06:53] <cupcake> ceph osd crush tunables hammer or legacy fixed my issue :)
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> !patience | cupcake
[06:57] <cupcake> lotuspsychje: No i dont feel that way I was checking on the internet also I found the answer I shared may be help some one else
[06:58] <pi0> thank you Lost_Goat
[07:01] <aurolac> is 19.04 targeting 5.0 kernel?
[07:06] <guiverc> aurolac, 19.04 is off-topic in this room (only supported release of Ubuntu here please), it's for #ubuntu+1 (or the development release)
[07:07] <pi0> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dPpVgrdtht/
[07:09] <pi0> how do i resolve that, do i need to compile those packages from source?
[07:11] <ducasse> pi0: which ubuntu release are you on?
[07:13] <pi0> 18.04
[07:13] <pi0> i thought i had 10
[07:13] <pi0> shoot let me download the other version
[07:16] <pi0> there we go
[07:16] <pi0> worked!
[07:21] <pi0> ducasse: do you recompile your kernel?
[07:21] <pi0> i mean to personalize it, only for your hardware
[07:23] <ducasse> pi0: i haven't done that in quite a while, i really don't think there's any need
[07:27] <arch1mede> didnt know that was still a thing
[07:36] <aurolac> @arch1mede re-compiling kernels?
[07:36] <arch1mede> yeah
[07:37] <arch1mede> i know i used to do it with 2.x kernels but since using 3/4 i haven't needed to
[07:39] <pi0> i just heard about it
[07:39] <aurolac> its been a long time yup
[07:40] <aurolac> but i still recommend people that have never done it to try it at least once
[07:40] <aurolac> to feel the pain ;)
[07:40] <pi0> does it improve performance
[07:40] <pi0> speed and such
[07:41] <aurolac> its alot of stuff to go through, depends on each case i guess
[07:42] <ducasse> pi0: generally not, the official kernels are fine
[07:46] <pi0> sounds good
[08:20] <adli> ukuu still the best solution for update kernel?
[08:24] <blackflow> adli: I'd say apt is always the best.
[08:24] <adli> kernel upgrade still relevant today in ubuntu computing?
[08:25] <adli> blackflow: thanks for inform me
[08:25] <blackflow> adli: absolutely, for security and bug fixes.
[08:25] <arch1mede> ukuu?
[08:26] <adli> ubuntu kernel update utility
[08:26] <aurolac> https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu
[08:27] <arch1mede> huh, never knew about that. always used apt
[08:30] <adli> no i am not recommend to use Ukuu..
[08:32] <holaantonio> hi
[08:33] <holaantonio> ngdsa
[08:33] <slereah-work> Fucking phew
[08:33] <kkdvak> holiii
[08:33] <slereah-work> the glasses were at the office
[08:33] <slereah-work> might have been awkward for driving class otherwise
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[08:33] <holaantonio> in spanish please
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> only ubuntu questions here please
[08:33] <slereah-work> oops
[08:33] <slereah-work> wrong window
[08:33] <slereah-work> Damn xchat always connects here
[08:34] <kkdvak> comeme el culo cabron y la polla por delante y por detras
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> !es | kkdvak
[08:34] <kkdvak> zorra
[08:34] <kkdvak> cerdo
[08:34] <kkdvak> perra
[08:34] <kkdvak> cabron
[08:34] <kkdvak> chupapollas
[08:34] <holaantonio> vmoggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
[08:34] <kkdvak> matabasculas
[08:34] <kkdvak> fghit
[08:34] <kkdvak> htrnkhi
[08:34] <kkdvak> hjrtiy
[08:43] <pi0> wow what happened
[08:43] <arch1mede> lol i was wondering the same thing
[08:46] <pi0> user from spain based on ip
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> pi0: please use #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic for discussions
[08:48] <pi0> will do
[08:50] <Salander> hello
[08:50] <Arut> Does Ubuntu 18.04.2 have the fix in the iSO for the APT vulnerability that allowed MITM to install unsigned packages?
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> Arut: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/18.04.2
[08:51] <nehemiah> #node
[08:52] <pi0> lotuspsychje: do we need to go through all those steps to fix all those issues?
[08:52] <pi0> or apt upgrade fix it all?
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> pi0: keeping system up to date will result to 18.04.2
[08:53] <Arut> I looked at that, but didn't see any mention in the wiki. I assume "In addition to the bugs listed below, this update includes all security updates from the Ubuntu Security Notice list affecting Ubuntu 18.04 LTS that were released up to and including February 4, 2019." cover it.
[08:54] <pi0> Arut: how did you find out about it? is there a mailing list?
[08:55] <pi0> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS <-- this means i am not patched?
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | pi0
[08:57] <pi0> !upgrades
[08:57] <Arut> https://usn.ubuntu.com/3863-1/ it was fixed 22 January 2019, a regular apt-get upgrade would have fixed it
[08:58] <pi0> !security
[08:58] <pi0> there we go, now i am updated
[08:59] <pi0> UFW and IpTables
[08:59] <pi0> we need both firewalls installed?
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> pi0: the users choice to harden system
[09:02] <pi0> but are they both the same?
[09:02] <pi0> i mean which one do you need
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> !firewall > pi0
[09:06] <EriC^^> pi0: ufw is the gui frontend for iptables
[09:06] <pi0> ubottu: thank you
[09:06] <pi0> oh lol
[09:06] <pi0> EriC^^: ah i see
[09:07] <pi0> nice
[09:07] <pi0> the bitdefender tutorial on there does not appear to work
[09:07] <pi0> i tried to install it
[09:11] <MJCD> Can I extend the time sudo retains my priveledges without asking again for the password?
[09:11] <MJCD> Ideally i'd like to make it only ask once per "session"/login/logout cycle
[09:11] <blackflow> MJCD: yes, a setting, which I forgot OTOH, in sudoers. Check the manpage it shold be listed there
[09:11] <MJCD> lemme take a look, ty
[09:12] <blackflow> MJCD: timestamp_timeout methinks
[09:13] <Arut> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudoTimeout
[09:14] <MJCD> ooh aces
[09:16] <MJCD> quick question
[09:16] <MJCD> If you specify a negative value, the timeout will never expire. E.g. Defaults env_reset,timestamp_timeout=
[09:16] <MJCD> when it says never but it appears to be tied to sessions like I wanted yeah?
[09:16] <MJCD> I'm just changing it to not time out iwthin that session
[09:18] <MJCD> because obviously never expiring would be incredibly insecure haha
[09:18] <MJCD> between sessions that is
[09:23] <MJCD> cool yeah I just tested the 2 values work together flawlessly
[09:23] <MJCD> thanks heaps blackflow, Arut :)
[09:23] <MJCD> have a great day!
[09:24] <pi0> thank you all
[09:24] <pi0> gotta rest
[09:24] <al2014t6> Hey, anyone know which channel should I go to for questions on conda? Going through the list and can't quite find it
[09:25] <ducasse> al2014t6: ask in #freenode
[09:25] <al2014t6> thanks
[09:26] <rohitbansal2010_> hi
[09:31] <ren0v0> hi
[09:31] <EoflaOE> Hello. I ran a Java application today, named IntelliJ IDEA, and the fonts on it are fully hinted with the RGB color filter. I need it to be like all of the other applications that is slightly hinted. If you don't get what I mean, here's the image link: https://imgur.com/Jqc4JX6l.png
[09:31] <ren0v0> I can't join ubuntu-server for some reason so will ask here
[09:31] <ren0v0> I'm upgrading a server currently and "gitlab-runner" package broken the upgrade
[09:32] <ren0v0> I now have an "unmet dependancy" with perl-modules, it won't remove or install, apparently it's conflicting with perl-modules which is a virtual package?
[09:32] <EoflaOE> ren0v0: Can you try to pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[09:38] <ren0v0> EoflaOE, I did that, it's fine no errors, and i can't paste as i'm now having to use a console (with no copy function) :D
[09:38] <ren0v0> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, 530 not upgraded
[09:39] <EoflaOE> Did it do anything?
[09:39] <ren0v0> no
[09:40] <ren0v0> grr
[09:45] <ren0v0> anyone have any suggestions?
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: pastebin: lsb_release -a && uname -a please
[10:03] <MJCD> Hey all i'm setting up ubuntu vm's - using virtualbox (they sent me here) with all accellerations possible enabled - should I be using all -hwe xorg/xserver and kernel stuff?
[10:07] <anddam> hello, does the 18.04 install ISO offer a rescue shell at boot rather than the graphical live session?
[10:08] <MJCD> anddam, no but you can just chroot into the drive from that live cd
[10:08] <MJCD> there are guides on google on how to do so
[10:09] <anddam> MJCD: I see, the server live ISO only has "Install Ubuntu Server" even if it has 'live' in the name
[10:10] <anddam> is that correct or am I doing something wrong?
[10:10] <MJCD> anddam, mini.iso is not a live dvd
[10:10] <anddam> I don't know what that is
[10:10] <MJCD> grab a copy of *-desktop
[10:10] <MJCD> ubuntu-desktop for example
[10:10] <ren0v0> lotuspsychje, i can't paste!
[10:11] <ren0v0> let me check and type
[10:11] <anddam> MJCD: ok I alrady have that, I was checking if https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server was any better as rescue
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: ok write here then
[10:11] <anddam> already*
[10:11] <ren0v0> console has crashed so need to try a restart from host
[10:12] <anddam> MJCD: I have desktop-amd64, I picked "Try Ubuntu without installing" at boot
[10:13] <MJCD> anddam, that's fine, let me find you a guide
[10:13] <MJCD> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[10:14] <anddam> MJCD: I just need to figure how to get to the console
[10:14] <anddam> MJCD: oh, I'm over RDP
[10:14] <ren0v0> lotuspsychje, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3CXJ3HS4hk/
[10:14] <MJCD> ctrl+alt+number
[10:14] <MJCD> er function key
[10:14] <MJCD> sorry
[10:15] <anddam> no that will switch to console on my computer
[10:15] <anddam> while I'm trying to recover a remote VM over RDP
[10:17] <ren0v0> lotuspsychje, here is a full paste of the error when trying to upgrade packages  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JJkzN4Kdby/
[10:20] <anddam> MJCD: no, I cannot open a terminal or the like
[10:21] <anddam> since I'm using an RDP client (tried Remmina and GNOME Remote Desktop Viewer) I have hard time sending keyboard combination, even with the specific options enabled
[10:21] <MJCD> lol
[10:21] <anddam> I'll try another iso, thanks
[10:21] <MJCD> gl
[10:21] <anddam> what's lollish?
[10:36] <ren0v0> On another server i'm getting "67 packages can be updated."  but when i run apt upgrade it says 0 packages to upgrade ??
[10:36] <ren0v0> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'apt_pkg'
[10:36] <blackflow> anddam: remote VMs should be managed via ssh ideally.
[10:41] <chull> hi :)
[10:42] <anddam> blackflow: I don't have access to the vm host, I only have vbox web interface access
[10:43] <anddam> I was trying to quickly do it on my own, I asked the admin now
[10:44] <blackflow> anddam: I don't know what that is, but you mentioned RDP, and in that context I thought you had a running OS you can log into. Anyway, to your orig question, I _think_ but am not 100% sure that the server ISO offers an initial menu from which you can select rescue mode. If not, and you can use any random ISO, then try sysrescuecd.
[10:45] <blackflow> anddam: or simply use the deskto ISO, you said RDP, so you have gui?  what do you need to rescue anyway?
[10:49] <anddam> I had the virtual disk expanded so I need to resize the ext partition
[10:50] <anddam> blackflow: that's what surprised me, the -live-server-amd64.iso only had "Install Ubuntu" option, apart disk testing entries. I expected an ISO with "-live-" in its name to have a live system
[10:51] <yn> anyone notice that the URL for "Ubuntu 18.04.2 Server (64-bit)" under BitTorrent is 404'ing, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[10:51] <anddam> anyway I loaded an ISO, so I'm set, thanks
[10:51] <yn> it's been 404'ing for the past 8-hours since the announcement
[10:52] <blackflow> anddam: you can use desktop live env for that too
[10:52] <yn> the has the URL set to, http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ubuntu-18.04.2.0-live-server-amd64.iso.torrent
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: you got external ppa's enabled?
[11:06] <ren0v0> lotuspsychje, i did but just removed them
[11:06] <ren0v0> still have this perl-modules error
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: what happens when you dpkg force uninstall it?
[11:08] <ren0v0> lets see
[11:10] <tomreyn> yn: thanks for pointing this out, i've reported this to #ubuntu-server and #uubntu-release (not sure where it belongs)
[11:11] <ren0v0> lotuspsychje, that worked!
[11:11] <ren0v0> thanks
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: doublecheck sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade now
[11:14] <tomreyn> yn: the correct url would be http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ubuntu-18.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso.torrent
[11:16] <ren0v0> lotuspsychje, yea its all good
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> great ren0v0
[11:16] <ren0v0> tyty
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> ; )
[11:24] <vlt> Hello. I have a tablet like device (HP x2 210) running Ubuntu MATE. I'd like to use it as a video player without a keyboard. I'll remove LUKS encryption and set it to auto-login. What would you recommend as tool that lets me browse and files and play video files?
[11:24] <rory> Kodi
[11:28] <vlt> rory: On top of my Ubuntu, correct?
[11:31] <Wolf> hello
[11:32] <yn> tomreyn: thank you
[11:32] <yn> someone needs to update the website
[11:32] <tomreyn> yn: it's being worked out
[11:32] <yn> tomreyn: ack, alrighty, thanks!
[11:33] <tomreyn> yn: yw, and thanks again.
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> yn: and the releases site, getting a mackover too, see !blog
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> *makeover
[11:33] <yn> ah, nice
[11:34] <yn> i'm here to seed ubuntu torrents and chew bubble gum, and i'm all out of bubble gum :p
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> heh
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> yn: join #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[11:36] <migue> hi :)
[11:37] <migue> i have a problem with resume after suspend in Ubunut 18.04 (both intalled and live )
[11:37] <migue> but it works fine in 12.04 (installed and live)
[11:38] <migue> the problem is that it has a delay in  back  on after suspend (to ram)
[11:39] <migue> delay is 5:00 minutes... it is the time to has the screen on after suspend
[11:40] <migue> ever the delay is 5 mins (300 secs)
[11:41] <migue> there is any configuration that could be causing the toruble? (sorry, my english is not good :()
[11:59] <Meili> migue: are you saying that waking up after a suspend to ram (aka sleep), it takes 5 minutes for you computer to become responsive again? And is this a laptop or desktop?
[12:00] <migue> Meili: it is a laptop... lenovo s10-3
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> migue: did you try updating bios to latest, as mentioned yesterday?
[12:03] <migue> Meili: recently i try "echo mem > /sys/power/state" and it work fine
[12:03] <migue> lotuspsychje: yes, bios is update
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> allright
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> migue: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and goto sleep, and come back, see what kind of errors you getting
[12:04] <Meili> migue: when does the issue occur then? When you close the lid or when you choose sleep from the ui?
[12:04] <migue> but now, i write again "echo mem > /sys/power/state" and close lid, open it and again it was 5 minutes delayed to wake up
[12:05] <migue> Meili: both, close the lid and using the ui...
[12:05] <migue> lotuspsychje: i will try it... :)
[12:06] <Meili> migue: does the same issue occur when you put it to sleep (and wake it up again) "without" closing the lid?
[12:08] <chull> I’m trying to help my husband restore his Cairo-Dock in 18.04. It’s giving errors https://pastebin.com/evSvfRwp
[12:08] <migue> Meili: no, i just discovered that "echo mem..." without close lid work fine
[12:09] <rungcc> Hi people, nice talking to you all.. Would someone help me with something? I just ran sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04 and now my system freeze the exact moment I login, I can't even ctrl+alt+F2 and get to a terminal... If I start using wayland though, it works perfectly...
[12:10] <Meili> mique: then I suspect there is a problem with switching the backlight back on with after the lid is closed in combination with a suspend
[12:12] <migue> lotuspsychje: "tail -f /var/log/syslog" give me the same before and after doing "echo mem >...."
[12:12] <migue> lotuspsychje: the only change is the timestamp :)
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> migue: did you try mainline kernels as a test?
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> as you say 12.04 has no issues
[12:13] <migue> Meili: ok... but why it work whe i do not close the lid, even though the backlight is goin off?
[12:14] <migue> lotuspsychje: i did not..
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> worth trying migue
[12:15] <migue> lotuspsychje: yes... 12.04  work ever... yet live!
[12:15] <bunty-matey> the fuck is this
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> bunty-matey: this is the ubuntu support channel
[12:15] <bunty-matey> ack sow
[12:15] <bunty-matey> cole
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> bunty-matey: can we help you with an ubuntu issue?
[12:16] <bunty-matey> where do i get a 32 bits browser for ubuntu?
[12:16] <migue> lotuspsychje: have you got a how to about mainline kernels?
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | migue
[12:16] <Meili> migue: the laptop has a switch, so when you close the lid it tells the operating system to go to sleep, but: it also always turns of the screen backlight
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> bunty-matey: 32bit is a dying species, but some flavors of ubuntu still support 32bit
[12:16] <bunty-matey> i need a browser that can run on 1 gb memory
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> bunty-matey: lubuntu to the rescue
[12:17] <bunty-matey> i've got ubuntu mate 1604
[12:17] <migue> Meili: yes... but light turn off whithout close lid also... or not?
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> bunty-matey: you want a lightweight browser
[12:18] <migue> Meili: when it go to suspend by cli...
[12:18] <bunty-matey> yes
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> !info links2 | bunty-matey
[12:19] <bunty-matey> info links2
[12:19] <bunty-matey> !nfo links2
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> bunty-matey: in your terminal: apt-cache search links2
[12:20] <migue> lotuspsychje: i already try with debian +xfce with similar results... :(
[12:20] <ducasse> !info midori xenial
[12:20] <Meili> mique: correct, but you have to think like this: closing the lid turns the light off, sort of stand-by. The sleep cuts the power to the screen. In the lid closing standby situation, the power is resumed, but the screen is not enabled again
[12:20] <bunty-matey> thanks, that mustve looked dumb
[12:20] <ducasse> bunty-matey: ^^
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> migue: i just trying to widen your options, as 12.04 kernel works for you...i assume maybe other kernels might also
[12:21] <migue> lotuspsychje: about using  ubuntu kernels...
[12:21] <Meili> mique: could you try adjusting brightness when the problem occurs?
[12:22] <migue> Meili: i will try :)
[12:22] <bunty-matey> is gparted the only partition manager for linux or are there better ones gettable???
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> bunty-matey: we usually dont take polls here
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> bunty-matey: do you have an issue partitioning perhaps?
[12:23] <bunty-matey> not looking to poll
[12:24] <cim209> bunty-matey there's fdisk
[12:24] <bunty-matey> yes, thats my issue. gparted doesn't read a partition i need
[12:24] <migue> Meili: i write "echo mem..." in cli, it suspend... i close lid... i opne lid... but screen is off... i can't adjust brightness :(
[12:25] <bunty-matey> i wanted to copy a boot partition to another disk, so as to make it bootable again, cos i think theres a hardware problem
[12:25] <migue> Meili: the screen is of an the wifi led is on, solid
[12:25] <tomreyn> if gparted fails to read info on a partition i'd rather assume the partitiont able is either in a format it doesn't support (which probably also wont work with linux then) or that the partition table is broken.
[12:26] <Meili> mique: does the laptop have a "caps-lock" indicator led? If so, while it is in this state, see if you can turn on and off the capslock, just to make sure it is a video problem and not the entire laptop being stalled
[12:26] <tomreyn> bunty-matey: ^
[12:26] <bunty-matey> @tomreyn but now, filemanager does read it
[12:27] <migue> Meili: yes, it has... but it has same behavoir... not respondig to toggling on or off
[12:27] <bunty-matey> i now am getting a file copy, but I wanted a " partition copy"
[12:27] <tomreyn> the graphical file browser handles file systems, partitions only indirectly.
[12:28] <migue> Meili: also i tried to ping when it is in this state with no results...
[12:28] <tomreyn> you can use dd or gdisk to clone partitions
[12:28] <tomreyn> bunty-matey: ^ but just cloning a partition continaing /boot from one disk to anoher doesn't make the other disk bootable.
[12:28] <bunty-matey> @tomreyn how do i get a manual for either?
[12:29] <tomreyn> !info man-db
[12:29] <tomreyn> there is also http://manpages.ubuntu.com
[12:29] <Meili> migue: ok, then it's not just a video/backlight issue, as it seem to lock up entirely
[12:29] <chull> I’m trying to help my husband restore his Cairo-Dock in 18.04. It’s giving errors https://pastebin.com/evSvfRwp
[12:29] <bunty-matey> @tomreyn is there a separate manual for dd?
[12:29] <Meili> mique: anything special in dmesg after it got out of that state?
[12:30] <chull> He's also asking me about 'Workspaces' and I don't know how to switch work spaces in 18.04 ?
[12:30] <tomreyn> bunty-matey: not separate from collected man pages, which i just pointed you to.
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> chull: super+pgup or pgdown
[12:31] <tomreyn> !mna | bunty-matey
[12:31] <bunty-matey> @tomreyn is there a separate manual for gdisk?  or not either?
[12:31] <tomreyn> !man | bunty-matey
[12:31] <migue> Meili: i don't kown...
[12:31] <chull> lotuspsychje, Where would we look for 'Session Indicator'?
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> chull: are you asking 3 questions at the same time?
[12:32] <Meili> mique: run the following command: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:32] <chull> lotuspsychje, yes actually. Sorry, thanks!
[12:32] <Meili> mique: and submit the url here
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> chull: explain to the channel what you wanna do exactly, one question at time please
[12:32] <d6> Hey guys any idea as to when the next Ubuntu release will be
[12:32] <tomreyn> chull: to switch work spaces you press and release the windows icon key, then move the mouse to the right where you can switch between them. there is surely also some key combos, i just dont use them, yet.
[12:32] <migue> Meili: line " cache: parent cpu1 should not be sleeping" is the only strange
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> d6: define 'next' please?
[12:33] <chull> tomreyn, thanks :)
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> d6: 19.04?
[12:37] <Meili> mique: I don't think I can help you any further with this. You might still want to try a mainline kernel as lotuspsychje suggested.
[12:37] <tomreyn> chull: you'Re welcome. not sure about cairo dock. i looked at their forum, but it's full of spam.
[12:40] <migue> Meili: it is dmesg output: http://termbin.com/8qtp
[12:40] <migue> Meili: http://termbin.com/8qtp
[12:42] <tomreyn> chull: looking at cairo-docks' github repositories, this unfortunately looks like a dying project: https://github.com/Cairo-Dock/cairo-dock-core/commits/master - I would suggest to consider alternatives:  https://alternativeto.net/software/cairo-dock/?license=opensource&platform=linux
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> migue: just curious, sudo lshw -C video shows your driver loaded?
[12:42] <migue> Meili: when i suspend from ui without close lid, it wake up fine(!)
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> migue: your dmesg is full of acpi issues
[12:44] <migue> lotuspsychje: yes... it show two displays: 0  (VGA compatible....) and 1 (UNCLAIMED)
[12:44] <migue> lotuspsychje: yes :(
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> migue: unclaimed is not good, wich card is that?
[12:46] <migue> lotuspsychje: "Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller" it say
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> migue: is that the one unclaimed?
[12:49] <migue> lotuspsychje: from output lshw -C video... yes
[12:49] <TheWild> hello
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> migue: and what chipset is the other card?
[12:50] <TheWild> what about me downloading hundreds of gigabytes from apt servers?
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> TheWild: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[12:51] <TheWild> no
[12:51] <tomreyn> migue: why did you add those kernel parameters?
[12:52] <migue> lotuspsychje: it is the same, but descriptions is "VGA compatible controller", and the UNCLAIMED has "Display Controller" description
[12:52] <tomreyn> processor.nocst=1  elevator=noop
[12:52] <migue> tomreyn: hi :)... i put these to try resolve this problem :(
[12:53] <tomreyn> migue: did it help?
[12:53] <migue> tomreyn: but "elevator=noop" is about ssd
[12:54] <migue> tomreyn: "procesor.nocst=1"... i do not remember adding it...
[12:55] <tomreyn> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html describes "procesor.nocst"
[12:55] <migue> tomreyn: but it not help... :(
[12:55] <migue> tomreyn: i will see
[12:55] <tomreyn> it IS ACPI related, so what you'Re saying could be correct, but you should know
[12:56] <tomreyn> (since this can just as well break things)
[12:57] <tomreyn> C states are related to suspend / resume
[12:57] <migue> tomreyn: yes... i remember now... but i do all modifications via grub edit...
[12:58] <tomreyn> not this one, unless you did it during the latest boot, and only used suspend + resume since
[12:59] <tomreyn> you can check whether you have it on the grub menu still: grep -F processor.nocst /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[13:01] <tomreyn> migue: either way, i suggest you compare general reliability and suspend / resume with and without processor.nocst=1 set
[13:02] <migue> tomreyn: "grep -F ..." output is empty... i must have added in the last boot
[13:02] <tomreyn> migue: as well as to plan to migrate to current hardware
[13:02] <tomreyn> migue: i agree
[13:03] <migue> tomreyn: i will test general reliability...
[13:04] <migue> tomreyn: but i can't to plan to migrate...
[13:04] <migue> tomreyn: also, why all works fine with 12.04 and not with 18.04?
[13:05] <migue> tomreyn: if i could determine the change and reverse it...
[13:05] <Meili> mique: regressions happen
[13:06] <tomreyn> can't comment about 12.04, it is not supported here
[13:06] <migue> Meili: regressions?
[13:06] <migue> tomreyn: ok...
[13:07] <Meili> mique: software keeps getting updates, improvements, fixes. But every now and then something that worked in the past breaks by that. Thats a regression.
[13:08] <ice9> is there a certificate for Ubuntu compared to RHCE?
[13:08] <migue> Meili: ok... thanks :)
[13:08] <tomreyn> ice9: https://certification.ubuntu.com/
[13:09] <Meili> mique: you could try a 16.04 live to see if that works
[13:09] <ice9> tomreyn, thats for hardware!
[13:09] <tomreyn> ice9: oh sorry you asked about training
[13:09] <tomreyn> ice9: not that i know of. we only do support on this channel really.
[13:14] <Meili> mique: have you tried this kernel parameter: "nohpet"?
[13:26] <migue> Meili: yes... i will try with 16.04... and yes, i tried with nohpet but no results :(
[13:26] <Meili> mique: instead of nohpet, try: "hpet=disable highres=off nohz=off"
[13:26] <migue> Meili: i tried with 18.04 because i think it has best ssd support...
[13:27] <migue> Meili: yes... i tried that too
[13:30] <tomreyn> lack of or improper ssd support is a problem this nine year old netbook / low spec laptop does *not* have.
[13:30] <migue> i just edit " /etc/systemd/logind.conf"  to change "HandleLidSwitch" to ignore... and do "systemctl restart systemd-logind.service"...
[13:30] <Meili> mique: just to be sure: you know you need to reboot after changing kernel parameters?
[13:31] <Meili> mique: im affraid thats the only real workaround
[13:31] <migue> and again it takes 5 minutes in wake up... without close lid yet :(
[13:31] <Meili> mique: ah, I really hoped for you the lid was part of the equation.
[13:32] <Meili> mique: but it seems there was never a suitable workaround implemented for timing issue you are experiencing
[13:32] <migue> tomreyn: but the same hw configuration work fine with 12.04 live usb...
[13:34] <migue> Meili: Yes, the tests that I told you (hpet=disable... and others)  I did yesterday
[13:34] <migue> Meili: :)
[13:36] <tomreyn> migue: you could file a bug about the regression. but i would assume this may not get high priority due to the hardware platform you're reporting about.
[13:36] <tomreyn> (i can be wrong, give it a try.)
[13:36] <Meili> tomreyn: the original bug reports have never resulted in a fix, disabling hpet was the workaround
[13:36] <migue> tomreyn: yes...
[13:37] <tomreyn> Meili: and yet migue tells us they tried disabling hpet and it did not help on (i assume) current ubuntu releases.
[13:38] <tomreyn> so *maybe* there's still a regression. but then... this hasn't been worked out enough.
[13:39] <tomreyn> the first things to have would be dmesg of a good and bad boot, with as few kernel options set as strictly needed.
[13:40] <Meili> tomreyn: the weird state it gets in when it should resume is not visible in dmesg
[13:41] <tomreyn> ok, i should not spend time on this anyways. good luck.
[13:41] <Meili> good point =P
[13:41] <migue> tomreyn: ok... thanks! :)
[13:42] <Meili> migue: try a mainline kernel and if that doesnt work I'm affraid you will have to do without a suspend to ram.
[13:43] <migue> Meili: i just boot with parameters "hpet=....", and it works
[13:43] <migue> Meili: i suspend by "echo mem ..."... and close lid... an open lid and it wake up (!!!) :D
[13:44] <migue> Meili: suspend and waking up is very important for my work style :(
[13:44] <migue> Meili: but it seems work now...
[13:44] <migue> Meili: thankyou! :)
[13:49] <Meili> mique: you'll have to try a few times to be sure, it is a "timing issue" that might not occur every time.
[13:50] <Meili> mique: if it is fixed after all, I'm happy to hear that!
[14:51] <hijacked> hi
[14:52] <hijacked> I need help.
[14:53] <Meili> hijacked: just ask your question, if someone has the opportunity to help they will.
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> !ask | hijacked
[14:55] <hijacked> Today I installed the Ubuntu 18.04, so I'm a new user. I want to install the drivers for my pc. I have the drivers on stick, but I don't know how to install.
[14:56] <Meili> hijacked: why do you think you need special drivers?
[14:58] <hijacked> So, the drivers from Stick is not useful?
[14:59] <Meili> hijacked: that depends (if they're drivers for windows they're not usefull indeed)... is there anything with your pc that doesnt work? For example: no WiFi or Bluetooth?
[15:02] <hijacked> @Meili, I have PC. No, the bluetooth is working. But I think, I need the drivers for video card.
[15:03] <Meili> hijacked: it is possible you need additional drivers for the video card. Do you know the make and model of your card?
[15:04] <hijacked> AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz, AMD RAdeon Vega8
[15:04] <hijacked> Yes, this is.
[15:05] <hijacked> Processor with video card integrated.
[15:06] <OerHeks> amdgpu should already be loaded, driver in use:   lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[15:06] <Meili> hijacked: I don't think you need additional drivers for that. Is there any reason for you to think that you do? Is the display resolution low for example?
[15:08] <hijacked> Yes, the resoulution is low.
[15:09] <hijacked> 0erHeks, when I write lspci: 	Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Onboard Ethernet [1458:e000]
[15:09] <hijacked> 	Kernel driver in use: r8169
[15:09] <Meili> hijacked: and you can't change that to something reasonable or dont you know how to?
[15:10] <OerHeks> how odd, that line should not grep your networking
[15:10] <OerHeks> so i guess, you are a joker
[15:11] <hijacked> I know how to change it, but look: when I Move the window, the effect is difficult.
[15:11] <hijacked> And I tested a game to find out. It moves hard.
[15:12] <tomreyn> !hwe | hijacked
[15:13] <tomreyn> there are the 'special drivers' you want
[15:13] <tomreyn> you don't need amdgpu-pro
[15:14] <tomreyn> (and probably don't want them either)
[15:16] <hijacked> Ok, I will try this.
[15:16] <hijacked> Thank you, guys.
[15:16] <hijacked> For patience.
[15:16] <tomreyn> good luck.
[15:21] <Industrial> Hi. WHy is there this snap system if there's already appimage? I had already installed 5 appimages and now I see this snap system. Can I choose to remove this snap system?
[15:22] <Industrial> https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/Similar-projects#comparison it doesn't hold up feature wise either
[15:23] <Industrial> got it, `sudo apt autoremove --purge snapd`
[15:23] <OerHeks>        snaps are basicly standard available, why using appimages that takes work to run, and gets no updates?
[15:25] <Industrial> eh, because `wget https://derp.appimage; ./derp.appimage` done :D
[15:26] <amosbird> hi, what's wrong with this " build-essential : Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.4.3) but it is not going to be installed"
[15:26] <antix> I guess you didn't read what's above your chart
[15:26] <Industrial> So you are saying I should run both?
[15:27] <antix> you're not "running" anything by having appimages around anyway
[15:28] <Industrial> I see that as a good thing.
[15:28] <Industrial> cheers
[15:30] <OerHeks> amosbird, did you fully update before installing?
[15:30] <amosbird> yep
[15:30] <amosbird> what is build-essential ?
[15:31] <OerHeks> it is a metapackage to build software
[15:31] <ioria> amosbird, apt-cache policy  g++
[15:31] <OerHeks> the basic stuff, some software needs more libs, but that would be explained
[15:32] <amosbird> it somehow fails https://la.wentropy.com/TFXN
[15:33] <lordcirth__> amosbird, FYI, 14.04 goes EOL very soon
[15:34] <OerHeks> building with ppa's..
[15:34] <lordcirth__> And yeah, getting gcc from a ppa sounds risky
[15:35] <OerHeks> not that risky, i'd like to know what are you building?
[15:35] <amosbird> https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/docs/building-cmake.md
[15:37] <OerHeks> https://snapcraft.io/telegram-desktop
[15:38] <OerHeks> you might need to install snapd
[15:38] <amosbird> ...
[15:38] <amosbird> the goal was to hack tdesktop
[15:38] <OerHeks> interesting.. good luck!
[15:39] <ash_worksi> can someone do me a favor and check their `man curl` on ubuntu 18 ? Search for `--upload` ... for me it's listed as an option in the description of other options which supposedly override it, however it is not actually an option.
[15:40] <OerHeks> ash, read yourself https://termbin.com/kw1p
[15:40] <ash_worksi> (there *is* however the option `-T, --upload-file` which it might be referring to, but to follow suit with the rest of the documentation, it is still wrong
[15:41] <OerHeks> 18.04.2 is out today
[15:41] <ash_worksi> OerHeks: okay... yea, it's on that pastebin
[15:41] <ash_worksi> I mean, that's gotta be a mistake right?
[15:41] <compdoc> OerHeks, it uses the new kernel from 18.10, so thats cool
[15:43] <maeud> How do I force settings when using unity-greeter?
[15:43] <maeud> I want to force the lockscreen image and not allow it to be changed
[15:43] <destinydriven> I  tried to perform an in place upgrade from mysql community 5.7.24-27 to percona server 5.7 and it seems to have succeeded but for some reason when I run systemctl status mysql it's still showing 'mysql.service - MySQL Community Server'
[15:44] <destinydriven> when I log into mysql from cmd line and pretty much any third party database management tool,  I see Server version: 5.7.24-27 Percona Server (GPL), Release '27', Revision 'bd42700'
[15:45] <maeud> update the target file to display the proper name destinydriven?
[15:45] <destinydriven> What could be causing service status message to show community when it's actually running percona?
[15:45] <destinydriven> Maeud, where do I do that?
[15:45] <destinydriven> Shouldn't that be automatic based on the package installed and running ?
[15:46] <destinydriven> I'm asking
[15:46] <maeud> see if it's in /lib/systemd/system
[15:46] <destinydriven> ok
[15:48] <Zed_> Hi
[15:49] <maeud> Does anyone know where lightdm settings are stored?
[15:49] <maeud> or unity-greeter
[15:50] <SimonNL> lightdm.conf
[15:50] <maeud> I want to lock the lockscreen image
[15:50] <SimonNL> possibly
[15:50] <maeud> Think I have to do that in unity-greeter
[15:50] <destinydriven> Maeud, thanks. That worked. It was actually located in /etc/systemd/system and I had to run  sudo systemctl daemon-reload for the change to take effect.
[15:50] <maeud> np
[15:51] <destinydriven> But now I'm still thinking why it was not auto-updated to begin with.  I did a test run on a vm before and it went fine
[15:51] <Zed_> How to change static ip by terminal in ubuntu 18.04
[15:51] <maeud> nmtui
[15:51] <maeud> netplan
[15:52] <maeud> are you using server or desktop Zed_ ?
[15:52] <destinydriven> if it's not a new installation, he could still be using ifupdown
[15:53] <tinga> Is it safe to underclock CPU and RAM "randomly" without knowledge? Will the BIOS always boot with working settings so that changes can be undone?
[15:53] <OerHeks> one should stat the ubuntu version used, when asking ..
[15:53] <tinga> This is an ASUS motherboard.
[15:53] <tomreyn> tinga: /join ##hardware
[15:54] <OerHeks> tinga, i would say no/no; but it is not really an ubuntu question, try ##hardware
[15:54] <tinga> OK
[16:03] <c5e3> i've got a weird problem; i just installed a new nvme ssd and restored a backup from the old nvme ssd. the system is usable for some minutes and all of a sudden active programs don't respond to key presses or mouse clicks anymore. not even the shut down menu pops up by pressing the power button. however, i can still move the mouse and highlight things.
[16:03] <c5e3> since it is a dualboot system, i also tried using windows, where the problem doesn't appear
[16:03] <c5e3> syslog doesn't show any errors
[16:04] <c5e3> i just tried copying files to the machine with scp and when the problem occurs, the transfer rate drops to 0 or it just stops copying the files
[16:08] <tomreyn> c5e3: ubuntu version, kernel version, cpu, ram, mainboard, nvme model?
[16:09] <tomreyn> also kernel / boot parameters, if you have any non standard ones.
[16:11] <maeud> Does anyone know how I can set and lock a lockscreen/desktop image system wide?
[16:11] <maeud> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04.5 / 18.04.1
[16:11] <maeud> both with Unity
[16:11] <maeud> (I assume for 18.40.1)
[16:13] <xamithan> Don't know about unity but gnome can do it with dconf
[16:13] <maeud> that's what I'm going to try
[16:13] <maeud> setting it with locks
[16:14] <OerHeks> unity-tweak-tool perhaps?
[16:14] <maeud> needs to be cli, repeatable and can roll into ansible
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> xamithan: dconf works on unity too, yes
[16:17] <maeud> trying it now, hopefully works
[16:18] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM and a whole post https://askubuntu.com/a/868899
[16:19] <maeud> I've read that
[16:21] <dirac1> I need some help, there's a werid situation trying to install Ubuntu, everytime I get to the partitioning Part.. it starts opening the settings.. o_o and I can't assign the mount point to the partition.
[16:21] <dirac1> What the actual fkc is wrong?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> dirac1: what do you mean by the settings
[16:22] <dirac1> I'm doing a regular desktop install for an old Imac. and it opens the settings (literally the windows for the global settings)
[16:22] <dirac1> Using the GUI.
[16:24] <dirac1> And then I try to assign the mount point for the partition and the Window freezes.. and I can't click anything.
[16:25] <tomreyn> make sure your iso download is complete and correct, and the copy of it you wrote tot he installer storage is, too.
[16:25] <dirac1> I already used the same ISO to make a VM two weeks ago and it went fine.
[16:25] <tomreyn> other than that i'm not sure "old imac" is going to work out.
[16:26] <dirac1> Yes it works.. found some tutorials giving the proof.
[16:26] <tomreyn> so what's left to be verified is just the installer storage then.
[16:27] <dirac1> However in the live install I can do everything.. but when I try to do the partition part.. it simply breaks
[16:28] <dirac1> I made the partition by hand using parted in the terminal and it worked fine, however now that I have to assign the mount point ._. to finish the install
[16:28] <ivan_> my machine freezes once in a while and I wonder if I can lookup a log to find out why ?
[16:29] <tomreyn> ivan_: whihc ubuntu version is this?
[16:29] <ivan_> 18.04
[16:29] <tomreyn> ivan_: this lists when your latest boots took place: journalctl --list-boots | tail
[16:30] <tomreyn> ivan_: identify the one where it last froze in the end, and get the number in the first column
[16:30] <ivan_> ok, got it
[16:32] <tomreyn> ivan_: optionally review this log using "journalctl -b NUMBER" (replacing NUMBER by the value you identified). optionally post this log online and share it with us using: journalctl -b NUMBER | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:34] <tomreyn> ivan_: note that this log can be very long (maybe too long to post there, in which case it'll get cut off to the end) if you were running the system for a long time by the point where it froze.
[16:43] <ivan_> Thank you very much tomreyn, I'll if I understand or otherwise come back, have a nice evening
[16:43] <PL7icnc> Hi Questin can i find out gedit gtksourceview Version Bionic 18.04
[16:44] <tomreyn> ivan_: you're welcome.
[16:44] <PL7icnc> Reason i want to place my own syntaxhighliting
[16:45] <PL7icnc> under 14.04 there have ben ./local/share/gtksourceview
[16:45] <PL7icnc> no longer the case
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> PL7icnc: explain your endgoal to the channel please, so volunteers can help you better
[16:46] <PL7icnc> gedit syntaxhiliting Usermode
[16:46] <tomreyn> try using complete sentences and punctuation - can make it easier to understand.
[16:46] <PL7icnc> not mative English
[16:48] <tomreyn> this applies to both here and #ubuntu-de
[16:48] <PL7icnc> There are 2 gtksourceview in /usr/share  2.0 and 3.0  so where to place  xx.lang
[16:49] <PL7icnc> tomreyn, isent it alowed to ask in 2 channels
[16:51] <tomreyn> PL7icnc: we prefer you not cross-posting at the same time to two separate channels. but this isn't my point. my point is that you should use punctuation as it will help others to understand what you are trying to do.
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> PL7icnc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/gedit
[16:51] <PL7icnc> ok Thank you im off here
[17:03] <ivan_> tomreyn: I couldt see anything suspicious, I uploaded at https://termbin.com/dleh
[17:03] <ivan_> any idea ?
[17:03] <ivan_> last 100 lines only :)
[17:11] <gamester> I'd like to try Linux 5.1 as soon as it comes out (it has some goodies for me). Will 19.04 with a 5.0 kernel be easily upgradable to the 5.1 kernel?
[17:11] <ash_worksi> can I mimic `curl`'s  `-F` option using a file that has boundaries and -H 'Content-Type: multipart/form-data; boundary=...` ?
[17:12] <gamester> I don't know anything about controlling kernel versions, if that's possible
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> gamester: you have a reason you need another kernel?
[17:17] <OneM_Industries> Alright, so.
[17:18] <robertparkerx> can cp -R bring a site down?
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> robertparkerx: whats the relation to ubuntu please?
[17:18] <OneM_Industries> Last night, my power went out. Since restarting it, Pulseaudio is now broken.
[17:19] <robertparkerx> lotuspsychje,, wrong channel
[17:19] <OneM_Industries> Attempting to start it manually results in: E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.
[17:19] <OneM_Industries> Any ideas?
[17:20] <OneM_Industries> I've been going through the google results for that, however nothing seems to match, yet.
[17:26] <SupportAzulle> hello
[17:28] <SupportAzulle> What would be the best way to deploy Ubuntu to several units through PXE
[17:28] <SupportAzulle> ?
[17:28] <maeud> what do you have in place so far SupportAzulle
[17:34] <SupportAzulle> maeud I was thinking using SCCM
[17:35] <SupportAzulle> I am actually looking for a full linux based solution
[17:35] <SupportAzulle> but have no idea where to look
[17:36] <leftyfb> SupportAzulle: https://www.ostechnix.com/how-to-install-pxe-server-on-ubuntu-16-04/ # first result on google for "ubuntu pxe server"
[17:36] <SupportAzulle> leftyfb Thank you so much !!
[17:36] <maeud> SupportAzulle if you're running Windows you can point pxe to boot based on a machine arch
[17:37] <maeud> Im actually doing the same project now
[17:37] <maeud> point to ipxe bios/efi
[17:37] <leftyfb> maeud: please take that discussion to #windows
[17:37] <maeud> windows boo
[17:38] <SupportAzulle> I was planing to use sccm because i already have that setup done, but i am try to install ubuntu via pxe and make done like an oem installation
[17:38] <leftyfb> SupportAzulle: go to #windows for help with building a CCSM server
[17:38] <maeud> leftyfb he needs help with the ubuntu side
[17:38] <SupportAzulle> leftyfb thank you, i am actully looking for ubuntu help
[17:39] <SupportAzulle> wanted to see if you guys have some experience on it
[17:39] <leftyfb> SupportAzulle: in what sense? Where are you having trouble exactly?
[17:39] <maeud> SupportAzulle do you have a working pxe environment?
[17:39] <SupportAzulle> leftyfb in the sense of experience, like if someone have tried that before and have any kind of tip
[17:39] <SupportAzulle> maeud yes i do
[17:40] <SupportAzulle> but is windows based (bo)
[17:40] <SupportAzulle> :)
[17:40] <leftyfb> SupportAzulle: Then what part of ubuntu are you having trouble with?
[17:40] <maeud> SupportAzulle I'll pm
[17:41] <Red99> Whats the executable to restart the "default" server install from a usb media (server iso) after droping to shell via rescue to customize disks / partition / luks ?
[17:41] <SupportAzulle> thank you maeud !
[17:41] <lordcirth__> SupportAzulle, here's a tip. many guides will tell you to use syslinux, which is no longer maintained. Don't do that.
[17:41] <SupportAzulle> lordcirth__ what do you recommend then ?
[17:42] <SupportAzulle> leftyfb i dont have any trouble yet, just looking for a guide to follow
[17:42] <lordcirth__> Not sure. I'll be looking into EFI PXE booting later this week, I think. It's on my TODO list
[17:42] <leftyfb> lordcirth__: https://www.zytor.com/pub/syslinux/Testing/   Last updated 10 days ago. Have some patience :)
[17:43] <lordcirth__> Ah, someone's taken it over?
[17:44] <treble54> when ubuntu 14.04 support ends, will updates that came during the support timeframe of 14.04 still continue to come through, or will all apt-get updates fail? if there's a link that explains what happens when ubuntu release support ends, that'd also help.
[17:44] <leftyfb> SupportAzulle: Here's the thing. You have not even tried to install ubuntu via pxe. You are running a Windows server. Once you run into issues with ubuntu, then come here and explain your issue. You will not find help here setting up your Windows server to install Ubuntu. That's not an ubuntu issue at all, regardless of what you or anyone else might feel.
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> treble54: after EOL 14.04 will go to payed support ESM
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> !esm | treble54
[17:45] <leftyfb> treble54: all updates that were released during it's lifetime will still be available for some period of time via the official repos. But then it moves onto old-releases
[17:47] <treble54> leftyfb: thank you, that's what I was wondering. Is there an official link which lays out what happens?
[17:47] <leftyfb> treble54: not that I know of
[17:48] <treble54> leftyfb: no worries, thank you! :-)
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> treble54: there is this site however: https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> treble54: but thats more about the cycles
[17:50] <treble54> lotuspsychje: yeah, that's not as helpful as I was hoping but thank you
[17:50] <lordcirth__> treble54, the best thing would be to upgrade. Is there a reason you can't?
[18:02] <WhiskerBiscuit> I'm messing around with a VM (that I'm going to dispose of).  How can I give user fubar privilleges so he can execute commands without having to type sudo?  Yes, I know it's a bad idea.  But I've been tasked to find this solution
[18:03] <WhiskerBiscuit> I personally use sudo, and have no problem with it.  But even knowing it's a bad idea, how can I enable this?
[18:03] <lordcirth__> WhiskerBiscuit, set an alias from 'fubar' to 'sudo fubar'
[18:04] <WhiskerBiscuit> fubar is a user, not a command
[18:04] <lordcirth__> Oh, I see
[18:04] <lordcirth__> So they want fubar to just have a root shell?
[18:04] <WhiskerBiscuit> yup
[18:05] <lordcirth__> So, sudo -s once?
[18:05] <OerHeks> sudo -i
[18:05] <WhiskerBiscuit> No, they *never* want to have to type sudo
[18:05] <WhiskerBiscuit> and they don't want to login as root
[18:06] <WhiskerBiscuit> I know, it's stupid.  But the boss is the boss
[18:06] <lordcirth__> WhiskerBiscuit, so, they want to be able to do arbitrary commands as root, without being root?
[18:06] <WhiskerBiscuit> yup
[18:06] <OerHeks> passwordless sudo, https://www.build-business-websites.co.uk/ubuntu-sudo-without-password-prompt/comment-page-1/
[18:06] <lordcirth__> Do you have a finite list of commands they might need root for?
[18:06] <OerHeks> tons of other pages that gives the same
[18:06] <WhiskerBiscuit> no.. the whole enchilada
[18:07] <OerHeks> bad side, you edit stuff in your /home with sudo, it might wreck ... wait, why do i warn
[18:09] <WhiskerBiscuit> @OerHeks, that works, but still requires sudo
[18:09] <Red99> lol , found it just had to logout the installer was still running ...
[18:09] <BaconBaconPancak> so when apt reaches out to connect to a repo in sources.list is it using a specialized user agent?
[18:09] <WhiskerBiscuit> IF you want the backstory on this, the boss asked for it and I told him I don't know how.  Also told him it is considered a bad idea and I could look for a solution but I'll get flamed for it
[18:10] <WhiskerBiscuit> Now he's got his gander up and wants it to make a point.
[18:10] <WhiskerBiscuit> So for my sake... there's got a be a way
[18:10] <OerHeks> WhiskerBiscuit, further than passwordless sudo, is beyond the scope of this channel
[18:10] <lordcirth__> WhiskerBiscuit, what he's asking for is to be root without root. It's not just a bad idea, it's incoherent.
[18:10] <WhiskerBiscuit> Right?
[18:11] <WhiskerBiscuit> But if I say that, he'll shoot my johnson off
[18:11] <leftyfb> WhiskerBiscuit: it's not a thing.
[18:11] <lordcirth__> WhiskerBiscuit, what if you say that *other* people said it? :P
[18:11] <WhiskerBiscuit> easy for you to say.  i have to deal with this
[18:11] <leftyfb> WhiskerBiscuit: That goes against the whole purpose of POSIX security
[18:11] <WhiskerBiscuit> i know i know i know
[18:12] <leftyfb> WhiskerBiscuit: the answer is no
[18:12] <OerHeks> childish, just lost interested
[18:12] <lordcirth__> WhiskerBiscuit, you could try r/sysadmin for help dealing with the PHB
[18:13] <leftyfb> WhiskerBiscuit: yeah, your issue is with PHB, not how to be root without logging in as root. Sounds like an HR/find new job/not #ubuntu issue.
[18:14] <WhiskerBiscuit> leftyfb, no one else will deal with him, so i get paid well
[18:14] <leftyfb> WhiskerBiscuit: sorry to hear that. Let us know if you have any Ubuntu issues and we'll be glad to help
[18:20] <WhiskerBiscuit> ok, im just going to modify his login on putty so it logs in as root then changes to his named home directory
[18:20] <WhiskerBiscuit> hopefully he doesn't notice.  thanks for the help!
[18:26] <rfm> WhiskerBiscuit, if you are going that way, you could just change the uid in his passwd entry to zero....
[18:28] <OerHeks> yeah, and please come back to reset the stuff, when it wrecked his system; we are happy to do that ofcourse
[18:29] <daniel__> hi
[18:29] <daniel__> Is anybody here
[18:29] <lordcirth__> daniel__, lots of people
[18:30] <daniel__> What is this even for
[18:30] <lordcirth__> daniel__, this is the Ubuntu support channel.
[18:30] <daniel__> Why not just use the forums?
[18:31] <daniel__> hi
[18:31] <lordcirth__> daniel__, IRC is faster and more interactive. Forums can be good for more in depth, long conversations.
[18:31] <daniel__> Is it active?
[18:34] <JimBuntu> dan2wik, highly
[18:34] <lordcirth__> JimBuntu, he left
[18:34] <JimBuntu> dan2wik, sorry, meant someone else.
[18:35] <BaconBaconPancak> so when apt reaches out to connect to a repo in sources.list is it using a specialized user agent?
[18:40] <OerHeks> BaconBaconPancak, no, the repo naming is enough to select the version
[18:40] <OerHeks> show us a pastebin of the apt command?
[18:41] <tomreyn> BaconBaconPancak: but yes, it does send a user agent string, if this was your question
[18:42] <BaconBaconPancak> tomreyn ok cool, happen to have a specific one handy of what it sends? or is there a way to possibly change it (without changing the source)
[18:44] <tomreyn> User-Agent: Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (1.6.8)
[18:44] <BaconBaconPancak> thanks a bunch
[18:44] <BaconBaconPancak> how did you get that information? id like to try it for myself
[18:45] <OerHeks> oh, learned something today
[18:46] <tomreyn> echo 'deb http://localhost:9999/ubuntu bionic main' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/localhost.list; sudo nc -l -vv -p 9999 &; sudo apt update; sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/localhost.list
[18:46] <BaconBaconPancak> oh nice i forgot about nc
[18:47] <tomreyn> a web search for "apt user agent" would probably ahve worked, too ;)
[18:47] <maeud> tomreyn with his commands
[18:47] <BaconBaconPancak> yea.. probably but i was coming up with some blanks but i don't think i phrased it correctly
[18:50] <BrianBlaze420> what is up with my ubuntu 18 desktop and doing nmap arpscan or angryipscanner... they all miss the same hosts
[18:50] <BrianBlaze420> but I can ping the missing hosts
[18:50] <BrianBlaze420> basically I have about 50 computers on this network and they onlysee 30
[18:51] <BrianBlaze420> it's so weirfd
[18:51] <teward> BrianBlaze420: does this other host have a firewall?  is there NAT between you and the host?
[18:51] <teward> BrianBlaze420: also systems that aren't 'on' won't reply :P
[18:51] <BrianBlaze420> nah all on the same LAN, the hosts that dont reply are almost all windows
[18:51] <teward> nor will properly firewalled systems
[18:51] <BrianBlaze420> windws 7 and 8
[18:51] <eugenio_> hi all, I'm having problem connecting lubuntu with HDMI to the tV, could you give me some hints?
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> eugenio_: best is when you describe your issue to the channel, volunteers can think along with you
[18:52] <nicomachus> eugenio_: what's the problem you're seeing?
[18:52] <nicomachus> You may need to switch your display settings to extend the display or mirror it.
[18:53] <BrianBlaze420> and what model of computer so we know what you are dealing with eugenio_ :)
[18:53] <BaconBaconPancak> thanks  again tomreyn
[18:53] <BrianBlaze420> thanks for the input teward I appreciate it
[18:53] <BrianBlaze420> it's just weird lol
[18:56] <eugenio_> nicomachus: on the tv screen I see 'no signal' the computer is a Sony Vaio laptop with lubuntu 18.10 ( I installed lubuntu because it is an old laptop)
[18:58] <B0g4r7> Some TVs are not compatible with some resolutions.
[18:58] <eugenio_> BrianBlaze420: the computer is a Sony Vaio laptop PCG-4R1M
[18:59] <hristo> hi
[19:00] <OerHeks> eugenio_, does that sony have a fn + screen/ext.screen key?
[19:01] <tomreyn> eugenio_: did you try a different hdmi wire, yes? does "xrandr" list it?
[19:01] <tomreyn> s/yes/yet/
[19:01] <eugenio_> BrianBlaze420: B0g4r7: nicomachus: a strange thing is that I use HDMI 1 on the TV while in the monitor setup I see HDMI 2
[19:02] <OerHeks> logically; screen 2: hdmi
[19:03] <eugenio_> tomreyn: I tried the fn + screen without result
[19:04] <tomreyn> eugenio_: this was OerHeks' question, mine you didn't respond to, yet
[19:04] <eugenio_> tomreyn: I checked that the cable works fine
[19:05] <tomreyn> thanks for answering 1 of 2 of my questions.
[19:05] <eugenio_> tomreyn: xrandr lists both HDMI 1 (disconnected) and HDMI 2 connected, but actually I pliugged in the cable in the first HDMI TV slot
[19:06] <tomreyn> eugenio_: i see. and the hdmi 2 port of your computer is not connected to anything?
[19:06] <eugenio_> tomreyn: OerHeks sorry but I don't completely understood
[19:06] <OerHeks> maybe it is a machine that requires HDMI to be connected @ boot
[19:06] <eugenio_> tomreyn: I have only one HDMI port on my pc
[19:07] <eugenio_> tomreyn: another strange thing is that up to two weeks ago I was able to connect the laptop with the TV via HDMI, then I did an update I think, and then the problem started
[19:08] <eugenio_> OerHeks: do you mean to try to plug before the boot?
[19:09] <OerHeks> connect the ext screen and turn it on, before boot
[19:10] <eugenio_> OerHeks: ok, I'm going to try I log out the chat and come back after the test
[19:15] <eugenio> oakridge:
[19:16] <tomreyn> you mean OerHeks
[19:16] <eugenio> OerHeks: I tried but without any results, same problems
[19:16] <tomreyn> eugenio: try this:   sudo apt-get -qqy update; sudo apt-get -qqy install read-edid; echo; echo [19:17] <tomreyn> somewhere on this output, a URL should be printed, please post it here.
[19:18] <tomreyn> what this does is: try to identify connected monitors, report the findings to termbin.com, a website where you can post text snippets.
[19:20] <fleabeard> is there a way to not have ubuntu forget my wifi network when I resume my laptop from sleep? I recover it from sleep and it won't reconnect to my wireless network and instead tells me there are connections available and I'm having to select my wifi network each time.
[19:20] <eugenio> tomreyn: sudo get-edid 2>/dev/null | parse-edid 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999; echo; sudo apt-get purge -qqy read-edid
[19:20] <eugenio> sorry
[19:20] <eugenio> https://termbin.com/nqlt
[19:21] <tomreyn> eugenio: so is this a samsung tv you have there?
[19:22] <eugenio> tomreyn: yes
[19:22] <tomreyn> eugenio: then you may just have set the tv to the wrong input channel
[19:23] <tomreyn> since it's generally detected fine
[19:25] <tomreyn> fleabeard: this could be a result of the network connection not getting suspended properly, or woken up properly. your kernel logs would probably have some details.
[19:27] <fleabeard> tomreyn, are kernel logs systemd and/or journald?
[19:28] <tomreyn> fleabeard: they do end up in the journal (journalctl --help), and previously in the kernel rung buffer (dmesg --help).
[19:30] <fleabeard> tomreyn, do I do dmesg -k to read kernel logs? (trying to make sense of the syntax usage in dmesg -help)
[19:30] <tomreyn> fleabeard: does the system actually (ostensibly) forget about the wireless network, including the password (does nm-connection-editor no longer lists this profile?), or does it just not automatically reconnect you so you have to find the network on the list and click it to connect again (but don't need to re-enter its password)
[19:31] <fleabeard> tomreyn, it just forgets the network. Once I select mine from the list it auto-connects without the need of a password.
[19:31] <tomreyn> you can just use "dmesg"
[19:32] <tomreyn> maybe better "dmesg -T" to get the timestamps matching your wall clock
[19:33] <fleabeard> tomreyn, I grepped it to wlo1 > http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qZbzXB5DV4/ not sure if that is helpful?
[19:34] <Guest64537> Can I install more Ubuntu Software since their are very limited Software on Ubuntu Software Center?
[19:34] <tomreyn> fleabeard: better note doen the vurrent time, make it occurs again and then run dmesg -T again, looking at the timestamps matching what you noted down.
[19:34] <fleabeard> tomreyn, will do, thank you!
[19:35] <tomreyn> !universe | Guest64537
[19:35] <tomreyn> Guest64537: ^ you may not have some software sources activated
[19:35] <tomreyn> i mean you may have some not activated
[19:36] <tomreyn> !synaptic | Guest64537
[19:40] <tomreyn> Guest64537: this was meant to say:  Synaptic is a graphical utility which can install and remove software packages (.deb).
[19:43] <fleabeard> not sure if I'm remembering this correctly, but when installing a .deb from terminal, I'd use dpkg -i /pathtodebfile/debfile.deb. Is it always required to put the path of the .deb even when you're pwd is in the folder it exists in already? Shouldn't you be able to simply 'dpkg -i debfile.deb' at that point?
[19:44] <Guest64537> ubottu, tomreyn : Thank you so much for help, and ubottu, articles you shared are really good and helpful, appreciate it
[19:46] <Guest64537> But which one of the ways would be much more reliable , installing app through synaptic, command line or a PPA?
[19:47] <Guest64537> considering I have just started learning ubuntu
[19:47] <tomreyn> fleabeard: (1) don't directly install .deb packages unless you know that's a really good idea. you should always prefer apt repositories, so they'll have n upgrade path; (2) if you have to install .deb packages, prefer doing so using "apt install path/to/file" rather than depk, since apt will also help you resolve dependencies; (3) you have to provide the path, but it can be a relative path. a relative path to a package in the working directory
[19:47] <tomreyn> is ./
[19:48] <fleabeard> tomreyn, thanks, the .deb I installed came from NordVPN. It works a treat on my system. Just thought it odd that I could be in the directory where the deb file existed but still had to include its path in install command.
[19:48] <tomreyn> Guest64537: those aren't alternatives: installing a package using synaptic or the "apt" or "apt-get" command line utilities is a way to install packages, whereas a PPA is a source to install packages from (suing these tools)
[19:49] <tomreyn> !ppa | Guest64537
[19:50] <tomreyn> fleabeard: so "sudo apt install ./nordvpn-client.deb" or similar should have worked.
[19:50] <rk3y> hi there, one question my VPS is running ubuntu. I have wireguard vpn thre (interface=wg0).ufw tells me that forwarding on wg0 is blocked. Is it dangerous to enable in the ufw ufw default allow FORWARD?
[19:52] <fleabeard> tomreyn, ah! I see now, ./debfile.deb whereas I was all like /path/to/debfile.deb lol. Thanks for clearing that up.
[19:52] <bprompt> fleabeard:    yeap, in essence ./ is part of the path :)
[19:53] <tomreyn> rk3y: in case you are consider ing to set DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY="ACCEPT" in /etc/default/ufw - that's not what you want to do.
[19:54] <tomreyn> fleabeard: so you provided the absolute path whereas a (shorter) relative path could also have been provided.
[19:54] <wintersnow> hi
[19:54] <bpords> hi
[19:54] <fleabeard> yep! I was understanding it all wrong.
[19:55] <tomreyn> fleabeard: unless this package (or you, previously) also set up an apt repository for this client to get updates form, you will now need to ensure that you regularly check for available (security?) updates for this software, since those will not happen otherwise.
[19:55] <browndog> Complete noob. Trying to use the "make" command to install wifi drivers for a Realtek NIC, and keep getting error messages. Are there packages I need to have installed for the make command to work?
[19:55] <fleabeard> tomreyn, yeah it had an apt repo already :)
[19:55] <bpords> browndog: what error messages are you getting
[19:55] <tomreyn> fleabeard: good, then hopefully this is maintained well.
[19:55] <browndog> Thanks for replying bpords. Let me check
[19:56] <fleabeard> tomreyn, I got myself confused following their install instructions since the text used the full path install method, while their screenshots showed the relative path install method.
[19:56] <wintersnow> @browndog do you have a dog
[19:56] <Guest64537> tomreyn, ubottu : Thank you
[19:56] <eugenio> tomreyn: sorry I was away for a bit, my samsung tv has 4 HDMI output, I tried all of them without fortune
[19:56] <browndog>   init_timer(&rtlpriv->works.watchdog_timer);
[19:56] <browndog>   ^~~~~~~~~~
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> wintersnow: only ubuntu questions here please
[19:57] <browndog> error: implicit declaration of function ‘init_timer’; did you mean ‘init_timers’? [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[19:57] <tomreyn> fleabeard: i see. ;-) good thing is you now now how to tell absolute and relative paths apart.
[19:57] <tomreyn> s/now now/now know/
[19:57] <fleabeard> tomreyn, indeed! :) thanks for helping me out hah
[19:57] <browndog> Makefile:57: recipe for target 'all' failed
[19:57] <browndog> make: *** [all] Error 2
[19:58] <browndog> Would you like me to send you a screenshot?
[19:58] <tomreyn> eugenio: outputs or inputs?
[19:58] <bpords> browndog: that error means the driver is old
[19:58] <bpords> linux kernel was changed to remove init_timer()
[19:58] <eugenio> tomreyn: my TV has 4 input HDMI sorry
[19:59] <rk3y> tomreyn: i am expecting that the wg0 interface on my ubuntu server receives ip6pings but it does not see it (in tcpdump)
[19:59] <bpords> browndog: youve got to get an updated driver somehow (either official from realtek or not) and use that, or downgrade your linux kernel
[19:59] <tomreyn> eugenio: which ubuntu version is this again? - sorry if you said so before.
[19:59] <browndog> I see. Thank you for letting me know! Any idea how to solve the Realtek wireless driver issue?
[19:59] <bpords> browndog: what problems do you experience with it out of the box? it just doesn't work at all?
[20:00] <ioria> browndog, what chipset ?
[20:00] <eugenio> tomreyn: 18.10, but actually it is lubuntu
[20:00] <browndog> bpords: That's correct. My Realtek wifi adapter can't seen any networks at all.
[20:00] <karlos> Hi!
[20:00] <tomreyn> rk3y: i'd need to review the wireguesd documentation no how exactly things work, haven't really used it, yet.
[20:00] <bpords> browndog: what's the name of the driver you're trying to install?
[20:01] <tomreyn> *wireguard
[20:01] <ioria> eugenio, already tried with arandr ?
[20:01] <OerHeks> wireguard UFW rules:  ufw allow 51820/udp # ufw allow 22/tcp # ufw enable
[20:01] <rk3y> tomreyn: its like openvpn but simpler - feels like ssh
[20:01] <browndog> Forgive me if this doesn't make sense, but I downloaded and extracted something named rtlwifi_new-rock.new_btcoex
[20:01] <rk3y> OerHeks: yup those i did. i have ipv4 internet. but missing ipv6
[20:01] <rk3y> trying now to troubleshoot and pinging ip6 addresses
[20:02] <ioria> browndog, what chipset ? where did you get the source from ?
[20:02] <tomreyn> eugenio: okay, can you post the full system log online and provide us with the link? journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:02] <eugenio> ioria: yes bu teven arandr gives HDMI2 instead 1
[20:02] <bpords> browndog: if you can't find a newer version of rtlwifi that works, that might mean rtlwifi hasn't been updated and you'll either need to find another driver, downrgade your linux kernel/ubuntu version, or just use another wifi adapter
[20:02] <bpords> browndog: you can buy like $1 usb wifi adapter compatible with gnu/linux from sources such as ebay, and then you will be able to use wireless network
[20:02] <browndog> I got it from a user on Github.
[20:03] <eugenio> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/nqqa
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> bpords: we try to help users make their hardware work here
[20:03] <browndog> bpords: I think you're right...I might have to just buy an external usb wifi adapter, or find an internal adapter that the new kernel supports.
[20:03] <tomreyn> eugenio: i suspect the hdmi1/2 thing on the computer is just because these ports are incorrectly lebelled somehow. you only have one monitor connected via HDMI, and this cone montor is the Samsung, this is what we all agree on, i think.
[20:04] <eugenio> tomreyn: yes
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> browndog: can you fill in ioria's question?
[20:04] <eugenio> tomreyn: is there a way to change the labelling?
[20:05] <browndog> lotuspsychje, I think it's an RTL9723be chipset.
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> browndog: what about your current kernel?
[20:05] <browndog> What is the command to find that?
[20:05] <bpords> browndog: uname -a
[20:06] <browndog> 4.15.0-45-generic
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> allright, tnx
[20:08] <tomreyn> eugenio: it's on the TV's firmware. so unless you can modify and replace the previous one by your 'hacked' one, i don't think so.
[20:09] <tomreyn> eugenio: oh you mean the connector labels. i guess you could just attach extra labels on a sticker saying the proper names. or you could just remember that they're switched.
[20:11] <browndog> Thank you bpords, lotuspsychje, and ioria.
[20:11] <ioria> browndog,  the source link,please
[20:12] <browndog> https://github.com/amrudesh1/Rl9823be-Drivers/blob/master/rtlwifi_new-rock.new_btcoex.zip
[20:12] <eugenio> tomreyn: sorry I don't understand properly
[20:13] <browndog> ioria: Is that what you needed?
[20:14] <veronimo> coucou je suis pommée , des années de récup !
[20:14] <lhavelund> !fr | veronimo
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> veronimo: only ubuntu issues here please
[20:14] <eugenio> tomreyn: what do you mean with the TV firmware, Ias said it worked two weeks ago and I don't touch the TVC
[20:14] <veronimo> c'est pas là , a bientot , hihi
[20:14] <lhavelund> lotuspsychje: Your French is evidently better than mine.
[20:14] <veronimo> see  you
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> lhavelund: :p
[20:14] <veronimo> arc
[20:15] <veronimo> ok
[20:15] <eugenio> tomreyn: I also don't understand what you mean with connectors
[20:15] <bpords> youre welcome browndog
[20:16] <tomreyn> eugenio: jacks. the thing you plug the hdmi cable into on the end where the laptop is.
[20:16] <eugenio> tomreyn: I meant on monitor setting I see HDMI2 while the cable is on HDMI1 at TV, I wander if there is a way to change in the laptop the nember of HDMI
[20:17] <tomreyn> eugenio: the hdmi numbers you see on your computer refer to the hdmi outputs of your computer, not the hdmi inputs on your tv.
[20:18] <Gerowen> What's a good "container" for Wine?  There's a few games that I know run fine under Wine, but I don't want system wide fonts and other stuff installed, just a sort of containerized version of Wine for each specific application.
[20:18] <ioria> browndog,  can you paste lspci -nnk ?
[20:18] <eugenio> tomreyn: ok, so it doesn't metter if the HDMI numeber is different from the HDMI of the TV, right?
[20:20] <tomreyn> eugenio: correct, this does not matter.
[20:21] <eugenio> tomreyn: ok, so my laptop is ok, it is a matter of the TV firmware?
[20:21] <ioria> eugenio,  have you ever tested that TV on 18.04  (maybe with a livecd) ?
[20:21] <eugenio> tomreyn: are you sure? yesterday I tested with a winzoz pc and it worked
[20:22] <eugenio> ioria: yes with ubuntu 18.04
[20:22] <ioria> eugenio,  and ?
[20:22] <kostkon> Gerowen, check out Lutris
[20:22] <BluesKaj> eugenio, I can assure that tomreyn is correct
[20:22] <eugenio> ioria: it worked, but as said it worked even with lubuntu 18.10
[20:22] <ioria> eugenio,  bootanother kernel from grub ?
[20:23] <eugenio> ioria: that's good suggestion, let me try
[20:24] <Newuser> Hi, how do I get to ubuntu offtopic the command doesn't seem to work with: ubuntu-offtopic?
[20:24] <Newuser> I am looking for help with my vpn.
[20:25] <tomreyn> oh eugenio left, a pity
[20:26] <Gerowen> kostkon: Oo that looks nice, thanks for the tip, :-)
[20:26] <kostkon> Gerowen, np
[20:26] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, HDMI is HDMI :-)
[20:26] <tomreyn> Newuser: to join the offtopic channel, type this at the beginning of the line here:  /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:27] <Newuser> thanks I did, it didn't seem to work. I'll try again.
[20:27] <Newuser> no doesn't work stranger
[20:27] <Newuser> maybe ubottu
[20:28] <BluesKaj> Newuser, your irc client might need the hashtag #
[20:28] <kk4ewt> Newuser, type /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:28] <OerHeks> register, for -offtopic
[20:29] <Newuser> register, for -offtopic
[20:29] <tomreyn> !register | Read this, Newuser
[20:30] <clobato> Hi!
[20:30] <Newuser> Thank you. I already tried with the hastag didn't work.
[20:32] <lordcirth__> Newuser, you ran '/join #freenode'?
[20:33] <Newuser> thank you I am trying to register
[20:34] <OerHeks> Not sure what your VPN issue is, offtopic might not the channel to be for that
[20:34] <eugenio> ioria: I'm with the second kernel but same problems
[20:35] <eugenio> any other suggestions?
[20:35] <ioria> eugenio,  this happened after an upgrade ?
[20:35] <eugenio> ioria: yes
[20:35] <eugenio> because with 18.10 two weeks ago I was able to se the laptop on the TV
[20:35] <ioria> eugenio,  paste /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:38] <ioria> eugenio,  cat  /var/log/apt/history.log    | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:39] <eugenio> ioria: https://termbin.com/vy9v
[20:39] <dman777> I have ' defaults,discard,noatime 0       1' in my fstab. When I get a IO error my filesystem remounts to read only. How is this since I took that entry out of fstab?
[20:40] <compdoc> dman777, what does SMART say? any reallocated or pending sectors?
[20:40] <compdoc> if so, new drive
[20:40] <jelly> dman777, remounting ro is a default for ext2-ext4 filesystems.
[20:40] <dman777> jelly: ok, thanks
[20:40] <dman777> brand new drive
[20:40] <dman777> ASRock trash most likely
[20:41] <compdoc> brand new means nothing
[20:41] <dman777> compdoc: also happens on my other ssd. So two SSD's one new, both get the same errors
[20:41] <dman777> smarts stats are fine
[20:42] <dman777> Unless does Ununtuu have some kind of sata driver issue lately?
[20:42] <leftyfb> do you have a different brand/model drive you can try?
[20:42] <dman777> leftyfb: no, both Samsungs... one pro and one evo
[20:42] <leftyfb> got another computer you can try it in?
[20:44] <dman777> leftyfb: ya, my old pc... the ssd had no issues
[20:44] <ioria> eugenio,  sy,  i can only suggest to boot a livecd (18.04/18.10)  and test it
[20:44] <compdoc> dman777, if you ever run across a bios setting named 'pci latency timer' and its set to 64, set it to 32
[20:45] <dman777> I should of bought a Gigabyte mb... took a chance and bough a ASRock
[20:45] <eugenio> ioria: I tested with the livecd from which I installed lubuntu 18.10
[20:45] <ioria> eugenio,  and ?
[20:45] <eugenio> ioria: didn't work, I also reinstalled the system
[20:46] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys, anyone encountered a problem while installing redis on 18.04 ? redis-server.service: Failed with result 'timeout'.
[20:46] <ioria> eugenio,  you said it worked before on 18.10 ... right ?
[20:46] <eugenio> ioria: yes
[20:47] <ioria> eugenio,  so probably not software related
[20:47] <Newuser> It doesn't seem to work.
[20:47] <eugenio> ioria: but once I started tyo have problems I before reinstalle the system, the I also tried the livecd from which I installe the system
[20:48] <eugenio> ioria: well maybe, but laptop side or TV side?
[20:48] <eugenio> I presume laptop, since with another winzoz laptop HDMI worked
[20:49] <ioria> eugenio, what's your video card ?
[20:50] <unr3al01238> hello
[20:50] <tomreyn> dman777: are you actually using ubuntu? what is the output of "lsb_release -ds"?
[20:50] <ioria> eugenio,  lspci -nnk   | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:50] <unr3al01238> i have this string: curl -H "Content-Type: application/json" -X POST -d '{"username": test", "content": "my text"}' how can i replace 'mytext' with a variable in bash? i am not that confident in bash :/
[20:52] <dman777> tomreyn: xenial lts with updated kernel
[20:52] <tomreyn> cobra-the-joker: more context required. redis installed how / from where? is ubuntu fully updated? what's on the relevant logs?
[20:53] <tomreyn> dman777: is this is the output of "lsb_release -ds" then you don't run ubuntu
[20:54] <tomreyn> dman777: kernel updated how?`you don't use the "discard" option on ext* file systems, only, if at all, on fat*.
[20:55] <dman777> tomreyn: what? that is trim for SSD
[20:55] <tomreyn> dman777: there are two ways to do it, you pciked the one which doesnT work with samsung ssds' due to their deficits with native command queing.
[20:56] <compdoc> dman777, I dont think there's a need to change settings in fstab anymore. just treat it like any drive. and enable ahci in the bios
[20:57] <eugenio> ioria: https://termbin.com/hrqi
[21:04] <cobra-the-joker> tomreyn: oddly enough it was because of the hostname , i changed to localhost and it worked correctly , thanks though
[21:05] <tomreyn> dman777: i got disconnected, missed anything you may have written after "tomreyn: what? that is trim for SSD". here's what i wrote after this:
 dman777: there are two ways to do it, you pciked the one which doesnT work with samsung ssds' due to their deficits with native command queing.
 dman777: the other is to regularly run fstrim, which happens by default on a weekly schedule (since 18.04, not sure about 16.04) on supported file systems
[21:05] <tomreyn> cobra-the-joker: alright, nice you found out.
[21:07] <tomreyn> dman777: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/ata/libata-core.c#L4559
[21:20] <Lost_Goat> anyone familiar with fstab and doing a permenanet windows share mount
[21:20] <Lost_Goat> im getting mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on "remote mount share here"
[21:22] <Lost_Goat> ive tried changing it from cifs to ntfs but not luck any ideas ?
[21:22] <eugenio> tomreyn: so at the end what is your suggestion?
[21:22] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: remote shares would be CIFS not NTFS
[21:23] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: I'd verify that you have the cifs tools installed
[21:23] <Lost_Goat> tgm4883, thats what i had but it says bad superblock
[21:23] <tomreyn> eugenio: use the fstrim command weekly, as the "fstrim" systemd timer / service does on 18.04 LTS (i suspect this does not yet exist on 16.04 LTS, maybe there is a cron job there instead)
[21:23] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: can you mount it from the command line?
[21:24] <tomreyn> eugenio: oh wait i mixed you up with dman777 there
[21:24] <eugenio> tomreyn: don't worry, my problek is on the HDMI
[21:24] <Lost_Goat> yes i do mount -t cifs //10.0.0.2/folder/folder/profile_name /home/folder/folder/ -o username=admin,dom=domain,password=password it mounts fine
[21:25] <tomreyn> eugenio: from what i gathered from your logs, the monitor is detected fine. i can't say why it's not working. i assume you already made sure it is enabled in display settings, so i don't know what else to try.
[21:25] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: ok, what does your fstab entry look like?
[21:26] <eugenio> tomreyn: so maybe what light ubutnu distribution would you suggest me, instead of lubuntu?
[21:27] <Lost_Goat> tgm4883, #automount remote share for plex
[21:27] <Lost_Goat> /10.0.0.2/folder/DOMAIN=Domain/folder /home/folder/folder/ cifs credentials=/home/folder/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm 0 0
[21:27] <eugenio> tomreyn: this sony vaio is a 2010 laptop, very old, I use it only to see video on TV via HDMI
[21:27] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: why are you changing the folder it's mounting?
[21:28] <Lost_Goat> tgm4883, its not
[21:28] <Lost_Goat> i just didnt change the last bit for removing personal information
[21:28] <tgm4883>   /10.0.0.2/folder/DOMAIN=Domain/folder is different than //10.0.0.2/folder/folder/profile_name
[21:29] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: do you have home folder encryption?
[21:29] <Lost_Goat> no on my remote share or desktop ?
[21:29] <Lost_Goat>  on the desktop no
[21:30] <tomreyn> eugenio: i noticed from your log, it's roughly as old as the tv. i don't think there is any more light ubuntu flavour than lubuntu. you could try running without a graphical desktop, just run those graphical applications which have to be graphical on X.
[21:30] <tomreyn> eugenio: but that's a configuration i'm not experienced with, so can't really help there.
[21:31] <eugenio> tomreyn: not a good perspective...
[21:32] <Lost_Goat> tgm4883, No dialect specified on mount. Default has changed to a more secure dialect, SMB2.1 or later (e.g. SMB3), from CIFS (SMB1). To use the less secure SMB1 dialect to access old servers which do not support SMB3 (or SMB2.1) specify vers=1.0 on mount.
[21:32] <Lost_Goat> [53578.426426] CIFS VFS: No username specified
[21:32] <tomreyn> eugenio: it is 9yo hardware.
[21:32] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: a few things. 1) Is that a typo in your fstab line or did you just not copy it correctly? Should start with //10.0.0.2
[21:33] <tgm4883> 2) Have you tried using the same options in fstab, rather than changing the mount options?
[21:33] <Lost_Goat> tgm4883, it was a typo
[21:33] <Lost_Goat> no i haven't i just didnt want my credentials being seen by people
[21:34] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: I'd try it
[21:34] <eugenio> tomreyn: you are right
[21:34] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: just to see if it works. That includes dropping the iocharset and sec options
[21:34] <Lost_Goat> tgm4883, ok i will give it a try
[21:37] <Lost_Goat> tgm4883, that worked
[21:38] <tgm4883> Lost_Goat: good deal, so then the issue is either your credentials file or one of those two other options
[21:38] <tgm4883> so now just add them back one at a time and see when it stops working
[21:38] <Lost_Goat> right will do thanks for the help
[21:38] <tgm4883> yw
[21:42] <clobato> Hi!!
[21:47] <tomreyn> hello clobato
[21:54] <dman777> tomreyn: thanks... mine is a 860. What does the astrick symbolize here? https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/ata/libata-core.c#L4574
[21:56] <tomreyn> dman777: so you actually have an nvme, not ssd. what do you mean by "astrick"?
[21:57] <dman777> { "Samsung SSD 850*",NULL,ATA_HORKAGE_NO_NCQ_TRIM
[21:57] <dman777> no, mine is a SATA
[21:58] <tomreyn> oh right 860 is sata, 960 is nvme
[21:59] <dman777> Does the asterick here mean 'and greater than 850'?  But I think this code just disabled trim so I am not sure if discard is the cause of my errors or not
[21:59] <lin_noob> Is the latest release of Ubuntu live black screening for many people as well?
[22:00] <tomreyn> dman777: my understanding is that it means that any string starting with "Samsung SSD 850" will match.
[22:01] <tomreyn> dman777: read the first red warning box at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_state_drive#Continuous_TRIM - and probably more on this page, too.
[22:01] <lin_noob> Does anyone in here have influence with Canonical?
[22:02] <OerHeks> linno, just some newer nvidiacards
[22:02] <OerHeks> ... why?
[22:03] <compdoc> want their phone number?
[22:04] <lin_noob> No. For god sakes ask them to put an iso burning utility back into the distro.
[22:07] <OerHeks> enable universe, and install brasero?
[22:08] <lin_noob> I am talking about the live iso. The one that ships with things no one cares about like Shotwell, yet removes important recovery CD utilities like brasero or at least xorriso.
[22:08] <tomreyn> just install it, should work there, too, if you have some ram
[22:08] <tomreyn> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-burn-a-dvd-on-ubuntu#0
[22:09] <OerHeks> burning an iso on dvd while running a live iso on dvd..
[22:09] <lin_noob> Yes, with a usb burner.
[22:09] <tomreyn> huh, mine gets hot sometimes, but usually doesn't burn!
[22:09] <lin_noob> Since Ubuntu ships with genisoimage, it makes sense an iso burner should also be included.
[22:10] <dman777> tomreyn: tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 doesn't show trim or discard. Does this mean it was black listed and my errors are from something else?
[22:10] <OerHeks> lin_noob, file a bug against brasero? not sure why nobody else complaints about this
[22:11] <lin_noob> Well I can understand that writing iso files from the live cd is not a popular use case. But still, if genisoimage is included, I don't see the point of not including at least a CLI burner.
[22:12] <tomreyn> dman777: no, it doesn't mean this,. it just means that the "discard" file system option is not in use.
[22:12] <tomreyn> dman777: to test whether fstrim works, run "fstrim -v" against a mounted file system twice, and see if you get different, non 0 results.
[22:15] <Lost_Goat> tgm4883, turns out i needed to install cifs-utils for it to work
[22:27] <tinga> Is there a way to copy a selection of paths so that the relative source path is fully preserved in the target (and missing folders created)?
[22:28] <tinga> e.g. "cp -a */*.mp4 /mnt/foo/bar/"
[22:28] <tinga> I want that to copy e.g.  baz/bum.mp4 to /mnt/foo/bar/baz/bum.mp4, likewise for all other source paths given to cp.
[22:29] <tinga> And it should create /mnt/foo/bar/baz/ if not exists.
[22:29] <lordcirth__> tinga, you probably want rsync
[22:29] <lordcirth__> !rsync
[22:29] <tinga> Ah, good idea.
[22:29] <lordcirth__> It has tons of options
[22:30] <tinga> Still sounds like cp should be able to do it already :)
[22:30] <tinga> Anyway, fine suggestions. Thanks.
[22:33] <tinga> Hmm, how to use rsync with multiple source arguments, though?
[22:34] <OneM_Industries> Last night, my power went out. Since restarting it, Pulseaudio is now broken.
[22:34] <jcdutton> tinga, rsync is more a recursive directory traversal than choosing multiple source directories
[22:34] <OneM_Industries> restarting my computer*
[22:34] <tinga> Yeah, that's how I was using it in the past.
[22:34] <OneM_Industries> Attempting to start it manually results in: E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.
[22:34] <OneM_Industries> I've been going through the google results for that, however nothing seems to match, yet.
[22:34] <OneM_Industries> Any ideas?
[22:34] <tinga> Problem is that I would really like to use a shell glob pattern to specify the files.
[22:35] <kk4ewt> OneM_Industries,  so reinstall pulseaudio packages
[22:35] <jcdutton> tinga, what you can do is select the whole tree to rsync, and then use the "exclude" pattern to discount what you don't want copied
[22:35] <OneM_Industries> Also, about every 5 seconds, the speakers are clicking.
[22:35] <OneM_Industries> kk4ewt: Alright.
[22:36] <tinga> jcdutton, yes, but the nice thing about */*/*foo* or so is that it allows to specify the depth I want to match.
[22:36] <tinga> Also, that I can easily check first what files those are by using ls with the same glob pattern.
[22:36] <jcdutton> tinga, so something like:  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43531518/copy-folder-structure-with-rsync-glob
[22:37] <tinga> jcdutton, interesting
[22:38] <jcdutton> tinga, why do you only want to copy some of the files?
[22:38] <nightowl1> If I run a game using RX550 mobile while on battery , the game starts underclocked , to start it properly I need to connect the charger , enter the game and then disconnect the charger Is there any where I could control the gpu?
[22:39] <tinga> jcdutton, I want to actually move those files out of a tree. First copying then rm'ing is safer that's why I opt for that.
[22:40] <OerHeks> nightowl1, you might want to checkout energy settings, or install TLP for those power override
[22:40] <tinga> It contains files saved from firefox, whereas I also have directories with other stuff in them where I don't want to move the .mp4 files.
[22:40] <tinga> Just saying */*.mp4 is very simple and catches the right files.
[22:41] <nightowl1> OerHeks, Power Management doesn't have any option for GPU
[22:41] <nightowl1> I will check TLP
[22:41] <tinga> I remember having had similar cases in the past where specifying */*/*.something was appropriate, too.
[22:42] <jcdutton> tinga, you could combine find with cp
[22:42] <tinga> (OTOH/BTW I still wish there was a syntax in shell globbing to specify any number of directories, too. */tmp/**/*.mp4 or so)
[22:42] <OneM_Industries> kk4ewt: No luck.
[22:42] <tinga> jcdutton, yes, I'm going to write a simple script that does that.
[22:43] <OneM_Industries> Still not working, and pulseaudio is still refusing to start.
[22:43] <tinga> well, not find actually, just, takes multiple source arguments, loops over them, mkdir -p's the dirname of the path on the target, copies.
[22:43] <nightowl1> OerHeks, I do tlp stat , I see amdgpu set as auto
[22:43] <jcdutton> tinga one of the cp options creates directories. mkdir not needed
[22:43] <tinga> Ah, nice.
[22:44] <OneM_Industries> Any ideas?
[22:46] <tomreyn> !sound | OneM_Industries: run the alsa-info script as discussed on this wiki, and show it's output
[22:46] <clobato> OneM_Industries: try to 'apt purge pulseaudio'
[22:46] <clobato> for clean the config
[22:47] <clobato> and reinstall
[22:49] <clobato> by
[22:49] <clobato> :)
[22:50] <OneM_Industries> Bingo!
[23:04] <Woot_> looking to make a backup of these rando systems that I inherited. I have no idea what's on them or what services are running.  I don't want to backup libraries/binaries - just configurations, etc.
[23:06] <OerHeks> Woot_, just the /home/  folder would do, i think
[23:06] <Woot_> run a find/sort/tail on ls w/ m/c/atime?
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> Woot_: typically system configurations are kept in the /etc directory tree. User applications will store their configuration in ~/.config directory and others.
[23:07] <Woot_> i just ran into a service that had config files in multiple /home and under /opt
[23:07] <Woot_> yes, typically people keep notes and documents about production systems ...not these folks.
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> Woot_: If the application was installed via a 3rd party installer (meaning wasn't installed via apt or apt-get) it may store its configuration anywhere the developer decided to
[23:08] <pragmaticenigma> Woot_: unfortunately, there is no standard location defined. Just industry best practices
[23:08] <Woot_> what about a find/sort/tail on ls w/ m/c/atime   and if possible exclude binaries?
[23:09] <pragmaticenigma> Woot_: that won't catch everything
[23:09] <Woot_> i do know it was rebooted 2 weeks ago
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> config files may never have changed since the system was first installed
[23:10] <Woot_> at that point every configuration file should have been read (stat?)
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> and depending on the application, the config file may update every time the application is launched
[23:10] <leftyfb> Woot_: This really is an issue pertaining to your company and how important the systems are. Nobody here can determine what they were running and what you need to backup.
[23:14] <tinga> jcdutton, couldn't find this option to create directories; but instead that search led me to find the "--parents" option, which does exactly what I was looking for, duh :)
[23:14] <tinga> lordcirth__, note ^ (cp --parents */*.mp4 /mnt/foo/)
[23:15] <tinga> Now the only thing I'm missing is the same option in "mv" :)