=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash === Israphel is now known as Guest81270 === Israphel_ is now known as Israphel [02:58] is xfce the fastest desktop environment? [10:06] the fastest? [10:06] dont know [10:06] the cleanest? yes! [11:17] Depends on what you count as a desktop environment... lxde is definitely "faster" (by whatever measure), but I wouldn't really call it a DE [15:33] Morning! The torrent download links on this page are broken: https://xubuntu.org/download [15:33] They point to 18.04.1 but the site only contains 18.04.2 [15:33] Is there a better place to report this than here? [15:45] xubuntu43w: Yes, maybe place a bug in the tracker [15:45] this one here is rather for general questions that people from the community can reply to [15:46] there is also another channel, #xubuntu-devel (also freenode), where more likely somebody might have influence [15:50] i've got a weird problem; i just installed a new nvme ssd and restored a backup from the nvme ssd. the system is usable for some minutes and all of a sudden active programs don't respond to key presses or mouse clicks anymore. not even the shut down menu pops up by pressing the power button. however, i can still move the mouse and highlight things. [15:51] since it is a dualboot system, i also tried using windows, where the problem doesn't appear [15:51] syslog doesn't show any errors [15:52] *backup from the old nvme ssd [15:52] Thanks gnrp, I posted in #xubuntu-devel as well [15:54] i just tried copying files to the machine with scp and when the problem occurs, the transfer rate drops to 0 [16:04] c5e3: does it happen regardless of activity? [16:04] gnrp: yes [16:04] c5e3: What you could do as an easy way of checking what is wrong, go to a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and wait till the problem occurs. Maybe you get a message then [16:05] gnrp: i will try that! ctrl+alt+Fx btw doesn't work after the problem occuring [16:06] yes, do it before, so when a kernel panic occurs, you will see [16:06] otherwise, I guess magic sysrq doesn't work? I forgot, but the only mouse is working is usually a panic, isn't it? [16:08] gnrp: i tried the magic sysrq, but i am unsure, if it is even possible to type it on a thinkpad t480s, as i have to press Fn+S for sysrq [16:08] i don't really understand what you mean with the second question [16:10] I don't know myself. But this behavior (only mouse working) is a specific thing [16:10] it depends on how you configured your system in BIOS. If you have the F buttons as the standard key, it is easy [16:15] gnrp: i've been waiting for it to happy now on tty1, but the system is still usable.... [16:17] c5e3: Pity. :P [16:17] maybe go on it via ssh and do some hard drive activity [16:18] i will run fsck on the partition and report back after that [16:18] yeah, i'll try that too [16:22] gnrp: the old ssd had ICs only on one side and there is a thermal pad beyond it to disiappte heat to the mb, maybe it interferes with some capacitors on the new double sided ssd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [16:29] gnrp: lol, i just noticed, that the ssd was flexing due to the thermal pad being too thick [16:31] hmmmm ;) [16:31] let's just hope you didn't do any permanent damage? [16:32] gnrp: if so, amazon will replace the drive ;D === Israphel is now known as Guest53872 === Israphel_ is now known as Israphel [16:34] lol [16:39] gnrp: ok, the problem persists and not kernel panic on tty1 [16:41] but the ssd still flexes? [16:41] gnrp: nope [16:42] ah, now a message appeared [16:44] gnrp: basically just errors, that tasks are blocked for more than 120 seconds [16:47] so the system is still running?! [16:47] or what kind of tasks? Processes? [17:04] gnrp: i just can switch between ttys now, nothing more [17:04] i can't even login on any tty [17:04] what do you mean that tasks are blocked? You mean processes? [17:05] you could also try to check dmesg in a loop or so [17:05] dmesg doesn't show anything [17:06] it prints something like "task xy is blocked for 120 seconds" [17:06] what are these tasks? [17:07] so you can still call dmesg? [17:07] chromium, systemd, scheduler etc [17:07] no, i can't [17:07] basically all running tasks are shown [17:08] i decided to get a replacement for the ssd anyway now [17:09] i just run shred(1) over it, maybe i'll get an error there [22:07] i think i have found a bug in 18.04... what do i do ? [22:08] !bugs [22:08] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [22:08] thanks :) [22:09] feel free to describe the bug here. maybe we can assist you. [22:11] the problem is with sgt puzzle collection when I use the "app manager" and uninstall it ... bunch of thing start going wrong...xfce... thunar and other start to fail [22:12] tried to reproduce 3 time on tre different machine...same issue [22:12] im using xubuntu 18.04 beaver [22:17] Ok spent the day on this issue and I have just confirm, its only Xfce4 that needs to be reinstall to fix the problem. [22:18] okay [22:18] I assume that it does not only remove sgt puzzle collection, but also does some cleanup [22:18] as in removing "unneeded" packages [22:19] I think so too. [22:19] GNOME software? Is there any way to get a log from it as to what else it removes? [22:20] could be this one bug 1783764 [22:20] bug 1783764 in exo (Ubuntu) "Deleting "Mail Reader" crashes the computer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783764 [22:20] well, similar to this one [22:21] it is prety close yes [22:22] im going to try with mailreader see if i get same result [22:22] that one is a confirmed case though [22:23] maybe check what running "sudo apt remove sgt-puzzles" does [22:23] I cannot test it right now [22:24] ok [22:32] reinstalling xubuntu 18.04 fresh to test :) [22:34] reinstalling the package could have been enough, or testing in the live session [22:38] maybe... but i want to be sure... i still have 35 machine to do so. [23:07] OK, I got it all figure out (its the 1783764 bug ) as mention before. I was cliking too fast on the uninstall button whitch was not the sgt-puzzles button but the mail-client that got removed. causing this issue :https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783764 [23:07] Launchpad bug 1783764 in exo (Ubuntu) "Deleting "Mail Reader" crashes the computer" [Undecided,Confirmed] [23:08] so if you do uninstall mail reader you will need to reinstall xfce4 to fix everything [23:09] well for me it worked anyway. [23:12] thanks for the help ;) === Israphel is now known as Guest39894 === Israphel_ is now known as Israphel