[02:58] <user04> is xfce the fastest desktop environment?
[10:06] <BloqueNegro> the fastest?
[10:06] <BloqueNegro> dont know
[10:06] <BloqueNegro> the cleanest? yes!
[11:17] <gnrp> Depends on what you count as a desktop environment... lxde is definitely "faster" (by whatever measure), but I wouldn't really call it a DE
[15:33] <xubuntu43w> Morning! The torrent download links on this page are broken: https://xubuntu.org/download
[15:33] <xubuntu43w> They point to 18.04.1 but the site only contains 18.04.2
[15:33] <xubuntu43w> Is there a better place to report this than here?
[15:45] <gnrp> xubuntu43w: Yes, maybe place a bug in the tracker
[15:45] <gnrp> this one here is rather for general questions that people from the community can reply to
[15:46] <gnrp> there is also another channel, #xubuntu-devel (also freenode), where more likely somebody might have influence
[15:50] <c5e3> i've got a weird problem; i just installed a new nvme ssd and restored a backup from the nvme ssd. the system is usable for some minutes and all of a sudden active programs don't respond to key presses or mouse clicks anymore. not even the shut down menu pops up by pressing the power button. however, i can still move the mouse and highlight things.
[15:51] <c5e3> since it is a dualboot system, i also tried using windows, where the problem doesn't appear
[15:51] <c5e3> syslog doesn't show any errors
[15:52] <c5e3> *backup from the old nvme ssd
[15:52] <xubuntu43w> Thanks gnrp, I posted in #xubuntu-devel as well
[15:54] <c5e3> i just tried copying files to the machine with scp and when the problem occurs, the transfer rate drops to 0
[16:04] <gnrp> c5e3: does it happen regardless of activity?
[16:04] <c5e3> gnrp: yes
[16:04] <gnrp> c5e3: What you could do as an easy way of checking what is wrong, go to a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and wait till the problem occurs. Maybe you get a message then
[16:05] <c5e3> gnrp: i will try that! ctrl+alt+Fx btw doesn't work after the problem occuring
[16:06] <gnrp> yes, do it before, so when a kernel panic occurs, you will see
[16:06] <gnrp> otherwise, I guess magic sysrq doesn't work? I forgot, but the only mouse is working is usually a panic, isn't it?
[16:08] <c5e3> gnrp: i tried the magic sysrq, but i am unsure, if it is even possible to type it on a thinkpad t480s, as i have to press Fn+S for sysrq
[16:08] <c5e3> i don't really understand what you mean with the second question
[16:10] <gnrp> I don't know myself. But this behavior (only mouse working) is a specific thing
[16:10] <gnrp> it depends on how you configured your system in BIOS. If you have the F buttons as the standard key, it is easy
[16:15] <c5e3> gnrp: i've been waiting for it to happy now on tty1, but the system is still usable....
[16:17] <gnrp> c5e3: Pity. :P
[16:17] <gnrp> maybe go on it via ssh and do some hard drive activity
[16:18] <c5e3> i will run fsck on the partition and report back after that
[16:18] <c5e3> yeah, i'll try that too
[16:22] <c5e3> gnrp: the old ssd had ICs only on one side and there is a thermal pad beyond it to disiappte heat to the mb, maybe it interferes with some capacitors on the new double sided ssd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:29] <c5e3> gnrp: lol, i just noticed, that the ssd was flexing due to the thermal pad being too thick
[16:31] <gnrp> hmmmm ;)
[16:31] <gnrp> let's just hope you didn't do any permanent damage?
[16:32] <c5e3> gnrp: if so, amazon will replace the drive ;D
[16:34] <gnrp> lol
[16:39] <c5e3> gnrp: ok, the problem persists and not kernel panic on tty1
[16:41] <gnrp> but the ssd still flexes?
[16:41] <c5e3> gnrp: nope
[16:42] <c5e3> ah, now a message appeared
[16:44] <c5e3> gnrp: basically just errors, that tasks are blocked for more than 120 seconds
[16:47] <gnrp> so the system is still running?!
[16:47] <gnrp> or what kind of tasks? Processes?
[17:04] <c5e3> gnrp: i just can switch between ttys now, nothing more
[17:04] <c5e3> i can't even login on any tty
[17:04] <gnrp> what do you mean that tasks are blocked? You mean processes?
[17:05] <gnrp> you could also try to check dmesg in a loop or so
[17:05] <c5e3> dmesg doesn't show anything
[17:06] <c5e3> it prints something like "task xy is blocked for 120 seconds"
[17:06] <gnrp> what are these tasks?
[17:07] <gnrp> so you can still call dmesg?
[17:07] <c5e3> chromium, systemd, scheduler etc
[17:07] <c5e3> no, i can't
[17:07] <c5e3> basically all running tasks are shown
[17:08] <c5e3> i decided to get a replacement for the ssd anyway now
[17:09] <c5e3> i just run shred(1) over it, maybe i'll get an error there
[22:07] <xubuntu85w> i think i have found a bug in 18.04... what do i do ?
[22:08] <brainwash> !bugs
[22:08] <xubuntu85w> thanks :)
[22:09] <brainwash> feel free to describe the bug here. maybe we can assist you.
[22:11] <xubuntu85w> the problem is with sgt puzzle collection when I use the "app manager" and uninstall it ... bunch of thing start going wrong...xfce... thunar and other start to fail
[22:12] <xubuntu85w> tried to reproduce 3 time on tre different machine...same issue
[22:12] <xubuntu85w> im using xubuntu 18.04 beaver
[22:17] <xubuntu85w> Ok spent the day on this issue and I have just confirm, its only Xfce4 that needs to be reinstall to fix the problem.
[22:18] <brainwash> okay
[22:18] <brainwash> I assume that it does not only remove sgt puzzle collection, but also does some cleanup
[22:18] <brainwash> as in removing "unneeded" packages
[22:19] <xubuntu85w> I think so too.
[22:19] <JackFrost> GNOME software?  Is there any way to get a log from it as to what else it removes?
[22:20] <brainwash> could be this one bug 1783764
[22:20] <brainwash> well, similar to this one
[22:21] <xubuntu85w> it is prety close yes
[22:22] <xubuntu85w> im going to try with mailreader see if i get same result
[22:22] <brainwash> that one is a confirmed case though
[22:23] <brainwash> maybe check what running "sudo apt remove sgt-puzzles" does
[22:23] <brainwash> I cannot test it right now
[22:24] <xubuntu85w> ok
[22:32] <xubuntu85w> reinstalling xubuntu 18.04 fresh to test  :)
[22:34] <brainwash> reinstalling the package could have been enough, or testing in the live session
[22:38] <xubuntu85w> maybe... but i want to be sure... i still have 35 machine to do so.
[23:07] <xubuntu85w> OK, I got it all figure out (its the 1783764 bug ) as mention before. I was cliking too fast on the uninstall button whitch was not the sgt-puzzles button but the mail-client that got removed. causing this issue :https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783764
[23:08] <xubuntu85w> so if you do uninstall mail reader you will need to reinstall xfce4 to fix everything
[23:09] <xubuntu85w> well for me it worked anyway.
[23:12] <xubuntu85w> thanks for the help ;)