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| DarkTrick | Hello | 08:27 |
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| knome | hello | 08:27 |
| DarkTrick | Is this the only channel for xubuntu? | 08:27 |
| knome | no | 08:27 |
| DarkTrick | I want to propose the usage of a new window theme. | 08:28 |
| DarkTrick | Is there a preferred place to go? | 08:28 |
| knome | this is the preferred place in IRC | 08:28 |
| DarkTrick | Thank you. | 08:28 |
| DarkTrick | I created a thread on xfce.org, that contains all information (the "why"), pictures and the themes. I would be glad, if someone could take the time to take a quick look at it | 08:30 |
| DarkTrick | https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=51762 | 08:30 |
| knome | DarkTrick, there has been talks about adding an "accessibility" theme for greybird that would tackle the window border issues | 08:32 |
| knome | DarkTrick, i feel like this is close to what you are suggesting for the default theme | 08:32 |
| DarkTrick | knome, yes it sounds like that. | 08:32 |
| DarkTrick | knome, although a second point is the size of buttons. | 08:33 |
| knome | that said, it hasn't been worked on for a while because real life and priorities | 08:33 |
| knome | sure, those would likely also be bigger in an "accessibility" theme | 08:33 |
| DarkTrick | "hasn't been worked on" means "not yet started"? | 08:33 |
| knome | in quotes, because it wouldn't really only be geared towards those that have specific accessibility needs | 08:33 |
| knome | https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/master/xfwm4-a11y | 08:34 |
| knome | this has been discussed for literally years, but again, nobody has had the time to do it | 08:34 |
| knome | every once in a while we get users mentioning the borders are too thin | 08:35 |
| knome | how we'd really like this problem to be solved is to allow a bigger area to be dragged from but keeping the visuals we have now | 08:35 |
| DarkTrick | Same here. | 08:36 |
| knome | ...but that's not possible with the current software and the solution is much harder than creating a workaround theme | 08:36 |
| DarkTrick | I guessed the programming takes more time than a theme. | 08:36 |
| knome | and also means a specific component (xfw4) needs a change, and the people who are familiar enough with that to work with it are much sparser than those who can work on a theme | 08:37 |
| knome | all this said, if you want to work with the greybird a11y variant, all help is appreciated! | 08:37 |
| knome | ochosi is the main author for the theme, but even github tells me the theme hasn't been tinkered with in 2 years | 08:38 |
| knome | (that doesn't mean ochosi isn't active, it just means it's time since he has had to touch it) | 08:38 |
| knome | the gtk3 theme part is very much in active development. | 08:38 |
| DarkTrick | I just checked the theme. It seems like it's the usual greybird one at the moment | 08:39 |
| knome | that's also very possible | 08:39 |
| DarkTrick | Is it necessary to create a theme for gtk2 and the others as well? | 08:40 |
| DarkTrick | or would xfwm4 be enough | 08:40 |
| knome | those are different things | 08:40 |
| DarkTrick | enough = enough for already making it available | 08:40 |
| knome | "just xfwm4" would suffice | 08:40 |
| DarkTrick | ok | 08:40 |
| knome | the gtk themes tweak other parts of the UI; pretty much everything *inside* the window borders | 08:41 |
| DarkTrick | I will make some time to work on a11y. | 08:43 |
| DarkTrick | I also mentioned bigger buttons. Doing that would not look like "the good old" greybird anymore. | 08:43 |
| DarkTrick | Would it be a better choice to introduce a completely new theme for that? | 08:44 |
| ochosi | we do ship "greybird-accessibility" as window manager theme already | 08:59 |
| ochosi | and a separate greybird gtk+ theme for all other widgets would be too much work (for me at least) | 08:59 |
| ochosi | you can use adwaita if you want big buttons :) | 08:59 |
| DarkTrick | Greybird-accessibility changes to borders only by one or two pixels. | 09:00 |
| ochosi | yup | 09:00 |
| ochosi | plus bigger buttons | 09:01 |
| ochosi | and more visible buttons | 09:01 |
| DarkTrick | The ones from me have +8 / 10 pixels | 09:01 |
| DarkTrick | I still have problems with only two pixels more | 09:01 |
| DarkTrick | Maybe that's a personal problem, though | 09:01 |
| ochosi | there will always be people who have problems with a few px more or less ;) | 09:01 |
| DarkTrick | This is my suggestion | 09:02 |
| DarkTrick | https://www.dropbox.com/s/0vp7leawy1o1ner/theme2.jpeg?dl=0 | 09:02 |
| ochosi | sure, that's simply a different theme though | 09:04 |
| DarkTrick | Maybe I'm too cocksure of myself, but I think my proposed theme would really make window handling easier. | 09:06 |
| DarkTrick | Btw: @knome: Thank you for your help! | 09:06 |
| knome | DarkTrick, np | 09:06 |
| DarkTrick | ochosi, If I get things right at the moment, the best solution would be to upload it at xfce-look.org? | 09:08 |
| ochosi | yeah, that would be a good start | 09:32 |
| ochosi | we can always consider another wm theme for inclusing into xfce | 09:32 |
| ochosi | errrm, xubuntu | 09:32 |
| knome | (: | 09:32 |
| ochosi | however, you have to keep client-side window decorations in mind | 09:32 |
| ochosi | so you have to alter the gtk theme as well for consistency | 09:32 |
| ochosi | otherwise those CSD windows will look different/out of place | 09:33 |
| DarkTrick | ochosi, "client-side window"? | 09:44 |
| DarkTrick | If I know how to test it, I can create it. | 09:50 |
| ochosi | you can check e.g. evince or gnome's calculator | 09:52 |
| ochosi | for many apps, the CSD are deactivated in xubuntu | 09:52 |
| ochosi | but not all | 09:52 |
| DarkTrick | Why would I need to care about CSD? As far as I understand they have a fixed decoration anyway. | 10:05 |
| DarkTrick | So themes won't apply to them. | 10:05 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: still awaiting a comment on bug 1754872 | 21:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1754872 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "apt install xubuntu-desktop does not resolve dependencies properly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754872 | 21:02 |
| brainwash | #27 has my solution | 21:03 |
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