[00:00] <lotuspsychje> rootbash: are you at your ubuntu computer?
[00:00] <rootbash> yes
[00:00] <rootbash> i have use ubuntu 16.04
[00:00] <leftyfb> rootbash: what type of phones?
[00:01] <rootbash> MTK
[00:01] <rootbash> mediatek processor
[00:02] <rootbash> mark BLU
[00:02] <leftyfb> rootbash: is it running Android?
[00:02] <leftyfb> rootbash: Can't you just use googles automatic backup and/or the SD card?
[00:02] <rootbash> yes Android
[00:06] <rootbash> ohhh!!! i just know which programm can use it
[00:06] <rootbash> for googles automatic backup....:no
[00:07] <leftyfb> rootbash: why not?
[00:07] <leftyfb> rootbash: please don't CTCP ping others
[00:08] <OerHeks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/11/android-file-transfer-app-linux this guide handles ubuntu 18.04
[00:09] <kris905> @davic no
[00:09] <rootbash> ok
[00:09] <rootbash> ok how can i use google auto backup
[00:10] <rootbash> !!!!
[00:10] <OerHeks> rootbash, that would be an android issue, not sure that backup tool can handle linux, so see the url above
[00:11] <OerHeks> i would backup to a sdcard inserted in android
[00:12] <rootbash> everthing?
[00:13] <rootbash> mail,call,contact,....?
[00:13] <leftyfb> rootbash: please lookup documentation for android for how to backup using googles online service or the SD card. That is beyond the scope of this channel
[00:14] <rootbash> ok
[00:14] <OerHeks> i think google stores the backup in your account, i have no idea about android backup
[00:15] <rootbash> anhh ok
[00:22] <nathan[m]1> !join irc.freenode.net #ubuntu
[00:49] <dman777> Coming from Gentoo, can I place my network commands from http://dpaste.com/2BB3ZZY as-is in /etc/network/interfaces?
[00:51] <tomreyn> dman777: no. /etc/network/interfaces is not a shell script.
[00:51] <tomreyn> there is a man page describing its format.
[00:52] <tomreyn> dman777: however, with current ubuntu releases you should rather use either network-manager (desktop) or systemd-networkd configurations instead.
[00:53] <tomreyn> netplan can be used to write configurations for either.
[00:53] <dman777> tomreyn: to keep it simply can I just run the shell script instead to set the network?
[00:55] <tomreyn> dman777: i haven't tried, so can't tell for sure. but probably yes, after installing the deprecated software. but it may, and likely wlll, break in future ubuntu releases.
[00:56] <dman777> tomreyn: ok, thanks
[01:15] <dman777> With ubuntu-vm-builder, anyonw know what to do about this error? http://dpaste.com/2VV4G2B#line-15 ... ubuntu-minimal depends on sudo; however: Package sudo is not configured yet.
[01:15] <dman777> using the xenial vm
[02:01] <kreyren> i've just figured out the hard way that if non-standart filesystem is mounted on mini.iso installation that it's going to formatt the drive.. 336 hours of work on my LFS ruined.. thanks for that
[02:01] <kreyren> *even when do not formatt is checked
[02:12] <Squarism> what is the best irc client for linux now days?
[02:12] <kreyren> hexchat/konversation ?
[02:16] <kreyren> irssi on wm?
[02:19] <ra> Squarism, as kreyren suggested, knonversation is very good, i use hexchat on my main computer. i also use irssi on an ubuntu minimum install
[02:20] <Squarism> i use hexchat, but it feels dated
[02:20] <kreyren> why?
[02:20] <ra> Squarism, dated compared to what?
[02:21] <kreyren> +1
[02:21] <Squarism> like if i have 20 channels open the best 2 best ways to switch channelsl is pressing ctrl+pgdn/up or write /j #channelname
[02:21] <kreyren> or use mouse?
[02:21] <Squarism> that operations could be limited to max 3-4 key presses
[02:21] <Squarism> i dont use mouse
[02:22] <Squarism> but maybe i should test konversation
[02:22] <ra> Squarism, i'm on 25 channels on 5 networks, just click the channel in the list :)
[02:22] <Squarism> as i said, i dont use mouse
[02:22] <ra> ah
[02:22] <kreyren> I would fork it and bind it to something like favorites
[02:22] <kreyren> if such feature is not present already
[02:24] <kreyren> otherwise irssi probably
[02:27] <mlalkaka> Squarism, I've been using HexChat on Ubuntu as well. I looked around for other IRC clients, and it seemed that HexChat was probably the best one overall, and seems to still be maintained (last release in Aug 2018)
[02:27] <mlalkaka> How would you rather switch channels?
[02:29] <Jammers> Is anybody else present?
[02:30] <kreyren> Jammers: eh?
[02:30] <downer06> I use quassel and love it run the core on an Ubuntu server then install the client on everything else
[02:31] <downer06> mlalkaka:
[02:31] <ra> Squarism, #hexchat is an active channel, and TinPing can probably offer solutions for you
[02:41] <Jammers> Well damn
[02:41] <Jammers> First time I've properly used this program.
[02:42] <Jammers> mlalkaka smells
[02:43] <mlalkaka> downer06, Jammers, sorry, I missed what you said. Had a network issue and just got reconnected
[02:45] <downer06> mlalkaka: I was saying I use quassel instead of hexchat run the core on a Ubuntu server and the client on everything else (it will also help not miss anything from crashes
[02:45] <downer06> )
[02:46] <mlalkaka> Ah, nice
[02:48] <destinydriven> Hey guys
[02:49] <destinydriven> I have a vm which has updated tp 18.04.2 but unman -a still shows I'm on 4.15.0-45-generic kernel. Shouldn't that have changed to 4.18 with this release?
[02:49] <destinydriven> uname -a
[02:49] <OerHeks> destinydriven, only for fresh installs, but you can upgrade with !hwe , or sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04
[02:50] <destinydriven> OerHeks, ahh ok I did see that but thought that only applied to desktop versions
[02:50] <OerHeks> destinydriven, that was my 1st thought too
[02:50] <Bashing-om> destinydriven: No, from the initial 18.04 install, unless you opt in for HWE you will remain on the 4.15 series.
[02:50] <OerHeks> same happened with 16.04, iirc
[02:51] <destinydriven> But xserver on server . . is that needed?
[02:51] <OerHeks> hmm, good point..
[02:52] <destinydriven> Let me so some digging on that. Snapshot in the making
[02:52] <OerHeks> not sure "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-18.04 " would do
[03:03] <destinydriven> OerHeks, works perfectly without need for xserver-xorg
[03:04] <OerHeks> destinydriven, thanks for feedback, noted.
[03:04] <destinydriven> Thanks for then tip.
[03:04] <OerHeks> have fun!
[03:04] <destinydriven> :D
[03:10] <et09> i did a remote upgrade 16.04 -> 18.04, ssh stopped working so i tty'ed in, for the life of me can't figure out why sshd isn't working
[03:10] <et09> or perhaps that the port is blocked - i checked iptables -L, input policy is accept, checked for ufw, doesn't exist...
[03:10] <et09> using the right IP... sshd seems to be running (pgrep sshd) although typing ps aux|grep ssh comes out ps aux > grep ssh for some bizarre reason
[03:12] <OerHeks> et09, produce a verbose log. ssh -vvv <something>
[03:12] <et09> i did, it hangs at "Connecting to..."
[03:13] <et09> nmap -p22 thinks the host is down
[03:13] <et09> oh something's wrong with the network on the machine...
[03:14] <et09> i don't have dhcpcd... :/
[03:23] <et09> i'm willing to bet this thing was originally like 12.04
[03:24] <et09> i can barely remember
[03:24] <OerHeks> maybe you have 1024 bytes keys, those are dropped, 4096 is standard now?
[03:25] <et09> nah that's not it
[03:25] <et09> something wrong with network interface config
[03:26] <OerHeks> restarting sshd on the host, perhaps?
[03:27] <et09> first thing i tried, nope
[03:27] <et09> can't ping 8.8.8.8, no ipv4 on eth0 when i do `ip addr`
[03:28] <OerHeks> is it still eth0?? mine gives enp2s0
[03:28] <et09> it is yeah
[03:29] <OerHeks> oke, old situation
[03:34] <fengjinkui> hi
[03:34] <fengjinkui> 有没有中国人
[03:35] <tomreyn> !cn | fengjinkui
[03:35] <fengjinkui>  /join #ubuntu-cn
[03:35] <fengjinkui> 有人吗
[03:39] <ClickTek> Sup
[03:49] <nshirelaptop> I only see the option to suspend 18.04 lts, is there no way to hibernate?
[03:50] <OerHeks> nshirelaptop, sure, but it needs a little work: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2018/05/add-hibernate-option-ubuntu-18-04/
[03:50] <nshire> systemctl hibernate did work.. I think.. don't know how to verify
[03:51] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl hibernate
[03:51] <nshire> yes
[03:51] <OerHeks> then follow that post
[03:51] <nshire> actually didn't work
[03:52] <nshire> when I resumed it was like it was from cold boot
[03:52] <OerHeks> nshire, do you have a swap file or partition?
[03:53] <nshire> don't you mean a hiberfil?
[03:53] <OerHeks> in the same post there are tips about GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=”quiet splash resume=UUID=<swap>”
[03:53] <nshire> or does linux use the same partition for swap and hibernate
[03:53] <OerHeks> yes, i guess so, but fresh installs give a swapfile
[03:54] <OerHeks> no need to edit grub for swapfile, iirc
[03:54] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1743094
[03:55] <nshire> mm no swap or hibernate partition
[03:55] <nshire> this was originally a windows dualboot machine so I didn't have much room
[03:58] <tomreyn> also bug 1769297
[03:58] <nshirelaptop> is it too late to shrink this ntfs partition? https://i.imgur.com/KHLs8il.png
[03:59] <tomreyn> nshirelaptop: too late how?
[03:59] <OerHeks> nshirelaptop, i think you can
[03:59] <OerHeks> but that layout is a mess
[04:00] <nshire> I'd want to shrink the windows ntfs partition and then move the ext4 partition into the new space, so that the ext4 partition will have more room. idk if it works like that though?
[04:01] <nshire> dunno if its possible to move partitions like that...
[04:01] <tomreyn> you'd also need to move sda5 somewhere else.
[04:01] <tomreyn> but generally that's possible
[04:02] <nshire> I have no idea what sda5 is, I have 8gb of ram so its probably not hiberfil or swap
[04:02] <tomreyn> sda5 ooks like it shouldn't exist
[04:03] <tomreyn> move data off it, then delete it
[04:03] <nshire> I'll see if I can mount it
[04:06] <nshire> in windows, partition 5 is labeled "oem partition" despite me being the one who installed everything
[04:07] <nshire> this is going to be more work than I have time for tonight
[04:09] <zeropoint> Which Windows version?
[04:10] <nshire> 10
[04:10] <zeropoint> BIOS or UEFI boot?
[04:10] <nshire> uefi only
[04:10] <nshire> disabled csm
[04:11] <zeropoint> I'm only seeing four.
[04:11] <zeropoint> Wait, you're dual-booting.
[04:12] <zeropoint> Ignore me.
[04:13] <ClickTek> I have a somewhat serious question.... Since using Linux it has almost made me feel like I HAVE to start ditching the Google ecosystem. Is that normal or paranoid? It's been something I am struggling with. heh
[04:13] <zeropoint> That's 1. a matter of personal preference and 2. not really an Ubuntu question.
[04:13] <OerHeks> let me bing that
[04:14] <ClickTek> Yeah, it isn't particularly an Ubuntu question. Apologies. Disregard.
[04:14] <zeropoint> Me, personally? I use the Google ecosystem pretty extensively. I'm fine with it.
[04:17] <ikea> Looking for ideas on a good backup solution
[04:17] <zeropoint> Depends on what you're trying to back up, to what, and a bunch of other variables.
[04:18] <Guest77342> 3Tb incremental
[04:18] <OerHeks> 2 backups are pretty common these days
[04:18] <OerHeks> rsync & grsync ( gui)
[04:19] <zeropoint> duply/duplicity, rsync, tar, etc.
[04:19] <zeropoint> Guest77342: You've given almost no information around which to form an intelligent recommendation, so all we can do is just start rattling off package names.
[04:21] <Guest77342> I use rsync to back up but I want an incremental version.
[04:24] <OerHeks> man rsync --ignore-existing
[04:30] <Donald_Trump> r
[04:30] <Donald_Trump> e
[04:30] <Donald_Trump> e
[04:30] <Donald_Trump> e
[04:30] <Donald_Trump>  lol
[04:30] <Donald_Trump>  zzzzzuc
[04:31] <Donald_Trump> got to goatsedance.com
[04:35] <blue1> ClickTek: I use google as little as possible.  but we can discuss on #ubuntu-offline
[05:03] <qwebirc28873> hey, one simple q, which desktop ubuntu was the last to ship with default Unity as GUI env?
[05:07] <nilesh> I need to calculate md5sum over a 10TB data on ubuntu any tool that can calculate it efficiently in a lesser time?
[05:12] <Krimo> Hey guys is it okay to ask for some assistance in this channel?
[05:13] <Krimo> I'm running Ubuntu 18.10 on a RAID 0 encrypted, and whenever Ubuntu tries to update the kernel it breaks the mounting on my LVM drives and won't boot. Is there any way to fix this?
[05:14] <Krimo> I had this issue on Arch before and I just had to run grub-mkconfig and mkinitcpio -p linux and it would work.
[05:33] <cliff1245> Anyone know why this script is not working? Its supposed to check if the service is running and if it's not, it's supposed to restart the service. https://paste.pound-python.org/show/bqay00thAUHlXyVyJ6Jq/
[05:48] <tgm4883> cliff1245: any reason you're restarting it via a bash script and not letting systemd do it?
[05:49] <cliff1245> i need to output to print that it's not running then print that it was fixed. it's for a school project
[05:49] <ZaZaQR> hi
[05:51] <cliff1245> tgm4883:
[05:53] <tgm4883> cliff1245: ok, so I don't help with homework, but I can give you a few pointers. Line 3 seems all wrong. You're not actually running that command. Even if you were, you'd be setting the variable to the output of the command, not the exit code
[05:55] <Frzd> hai
[05:56] <WhistleBlower> hello
[05:57] <XATRIX> Hi, i have some problem after i tried to instal teamviewer.deb
[05:57] <XATRIX> can you advice ?
[05:57] <WhistleBlower> no
[05:57] <Frzd271018> no
[05:57] <XATRIX> https://pastebin.com/6k8jjATN
[05:57] <Frzd271018> whats wrong
[05:57] <WhistleBlower> i dont trust you
[05:57] <XATRIX> that's an apt log
[05:57] <Frzd271018> what is that
[05:58] <zano> whats up
[05:58] <zano> xonotic anyone ?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> Krimo: are you on ubuntu server?
[06:08] <Krimo> lotuspsychje nope
[06:08] <Krimo> I tried going to grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg and manually mapping my drives but Im getting the same issue.
[06:09] <Krimo> Running /scripts/local-premount...
[06:09] <Krimo> Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device
[06:09] <Krimo> and never boots
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> !raid | Krimo can this help?
[06:23] <oceanquake> Hi all.  I'm running 18.04 AMD64, on a relatively recent and working/clean install.  I'm experiencing hard lockups (graphics and cursor remain frozen, but up; system does not respond to anything but power-off).  How can I go about collecting any logs that may be useful to figure out what is causing the lockups?
[06:24] <oceanquake> FWIW, these frequently seem to happen when scrolling in firefox.
[06:40] <Krimo> lotuspsychje I narrowed it down to the kernel
[06:40] <Krimo> whenever I use 4.18.0-15-generic it will not mount my drives.
[06:40] <Krimo> if I use 4.18.0-13-generic it will
[06:41] <Krimo> even with the same parameters and pointing it directly to my LVM drives
[06:41] <Krimo> Not sure if it is a bug that should be reported?
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> Krimo: yeah that sounds like a bug to me
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> Krimo: but before you file one, you might wanna look for duplicates first cause there's a lot of those
[07:02] <Krimo> lotuspsychje where can I file a bug report? Or look for one? Isn't Ubuntu's issue tracker independent from github
[07:04] <anbavape> yo my niggas
[07:08] <u0_a272> hello
[07:52] <CruX|> hello, i am using clonezilla on ubuntu 18.04 - parallel lzma and parallel xz is not available
[07:52] <CruX|> pixz is installed, how can be this fixed
[08:21] <JFlash> hi, I 'm trying to fix my screen resolution
[08:22] <JFlash> currenly using a 4k TV but the image looks a little bit squashed (I can see   ~100 dark pixels at the top and bottom)
[08:22] <JFlash> how can i find out what windows manager I amd using?
[08:22] <Kitidate> I just reset  my b tablet and expect to be able to update the Android version but apparently cannot
[08:23] <Kitidate> b tablet
[08:23] <Kitidate> B tablet
[08:24] <Kitidate> B Q tablet
[08:24] <JFlash> ok, I have budgie-desktop
[08:25] <Kitidate> Anyone know how to ?
[08:28] <Kitidate>  Sorry  I type  wrong.I mean to update Ubuntu on B Q tablet
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> Kitidate: join #ubports
[08:30] <Kitidate> Thank you.
[08:30] <erle-> Why are the Firefox and Thunderbird updates delayed?
[08:30] <JFlash> guys , it looks like I'm using something called Solus project
[08:30] <JFlash> how can I know for sure?
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> JFlash: sudo apt install neofetch
[08:32] <JFlash> what is that?
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> !info neofetch | JFlash
[08:33] <JFlash> this loooks freaking cook!
[08:35] <JFlash> says OS: Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS x86_64
[08:36] <JFlash> guys, how do I temporarely disaple bundie to see if I can fix my issue?
[08:36] <JFlash> like, is it easy to rever to vanila gnome?
[08:36] <JFlash> revert*
[08:37] <JFlash> I have a hint that the  squashing problem only happens after budgie desktop is loaded , since it looks ok before I log in
[08:47] <userte> ,.
[09:30] <shirofuji> https://serverfault.com/questions/954451/lost-connection-to-main-interface-after-brctl-addif
[09:34] <shirofuji> https://serverfault.com/questions/954451/lost-connection-to-main-interface-after-brctl-addif
[09:35] <blackflow> shirofuji: is there a question in that?
[09:35] <NginUS> Is there a way to wait for internet before running a script at boot?
[09:35] <blackflow> NginUS: yeah, make it dependent on network-online.target
[09:36] <NginUS> can it run whenever an internet connection is established... each time in case it d/c's & reconnects?
[09:36] <shirofuji> yea, newbie here, why do i lose connection when running adding main interface to bridge?
[09:37] <NginUS> Im not even sure that would fit the bill tho... :-(
[09:38] <NginUS> I have an s3 bucket mounted locally via s3fs, & if it loses internet after its initial connection, I could end up with /tmp/cache filling up if I lose the connection.
[09:38] <blackflow> shirofuji: because a whole lot about routing tables has changed. existing flows are no longer valid beacuse the NIC changed context. that means broken tcp connections.
[09:39] <blackflow> NginUS: if you want that -- dynamic network events handling -- you can look into Network Manager and dbus events it creates
[09:39] <shirofuji> is there a way to create a bridge to the main interface such that it would still be usable?
[09:40] <blackflow> shirofuji: you'll have to clarify. bridge is "still usable" after creation. your previous question was about losing existing connections.....
[09:41] <NginUS> blackflow: Ok thanks, didn't know that was a thing, cool...
[09:41] <blackflow> NginUS: however, look into autofs, iirc it can do dynamic mounting of s3 buckets
[09:41] <NginUS> nice
[09:41] <shirofuji> for example create bridge "br0", and "addif br0 eno1" such that I could still use eno1 normally?
[09:42] <blackflow> shirofuji: define "normally".
[09:42] <ubuntua> hi everyone, is there big difference btw "try ubuntu without installation" and actrully installed in regard of security?
[09:42] <blackflow> a network interface is just that -- an interface. what matters to userland is ip addresses and routing, all managed by the kernel with bridges.
[09:43] <shirofuji> normally, such that after addif i won't lose connection to ssh
[09:43] <blackflow> shirofuji: so when you add eno1 to a bridge, you can continue using the network that those NICs are attached to physically and logically.
[09:44] <blackflow> shirofuji: probably not for the reasons I mentioned above
[09:46] <shirofuji> does restarting the network delete interfaces created by brctl?
[09:46] <shirofuji> or bring them down?
[09:48] <Meili> shirofuji: I would suggest you spin up a VM and just try what you want to do and see what happens.
[09:49] <blackflow> ubuntua: yes, you can't fully update the live env. if you need a portable installation, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[09:49] <blackflow> shirofuji: probably. if you want bridges to persist reboot and network "restarts", you'll have to configure them statically
[09:53] <ubuntua> thank you blackflow. what if I was trying the latest one(no need update), could I say I'd  get the same safe env.?
[09:55] <blackflow> ubuntua: I dislike using "safe" in contexts like that because it's misleading. but yes, the closer to release date you are, your live env has less stuff pending update for bug and security fixes.
[09:55] <blackflow> (closer on the side after the release)
[09:55] <blackflow> ubuntua: but the live env is not designed to be "safe" or "secure". it's designed to be as usable as possible and enable installation.
[09:57] <usualrise> HI
[09:57] <Guest23092> Hi, Currently I am booting using boot from file in my hp's bios
[09:58] <Guest23092> How to set it to use the shimx64.efi as default for boot
[09:59] <usualrise1> I have ijust installed ubuntu. dual booted with windows actually
[10:00] <usualrise1> should I need to go to bios and select boot from file everytime I boot ?
[10:01] <jeremy31> usualrise1: Is there an OS Boot menu in the BIOS?
[10:01] <ubuntua> great blackflow, I'm a newbie on Linux, "try ubnutu without installation" , dose this only works on Ubuntu or I can do it on another one like arch linux?
[10:01] <EriC^^> usualrise1: no
[10:01] <EriC^^> usualrise1: are you in ubuntu right now?
[10:01] <usualrise1> jeremy31: yes
[10:01] <usualrise1> EriC^^: Yes I am in ubuntu right now
[10:02] <EriC^^> usualrise1: what's this boot menu in the BIOS you're talking about?
[10:02] <usualrise1> "/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi"
[10:02] <jeremy31> usualrise1: Select ubuntu in the os boot menu, make it first in the list and save and exit bios settings
[10:02] <blackflow> ubuntua: this is specific for the Ubuntu Live ISO. Whether Arch has a similar, I don't know. so it's distro specific.
[10:02] <usualrise1> jeremy31: We need to create that a boot path first before moving it to first place
[10:03] <EriC^^> usualrise1: can you type "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999" in a terminal?
[10:04] <usualrise1> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/n256
[10:04] <ubuntua> ok, blackflow, thank you
[10:05] <blackflow> ubuntua: if you're new to linux, I recommend you stick to Ubuntu. Arch is an advanced distro, you're expected to be familiar with the ecosystem as you manually install components
[10:06] <cim209> or go with manjaro
[10:06] <cim209> the ubuntu of arch
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> cim209: lets not reccomend other distro's here
[10:07] <cim209> lotuspsychje: but it's open source
[10:07] <cim209> like everything else
[10:07] <ubuntua> yeah,black flow, I like to, but I feel my system is hacked, that;s why I just ack you about the security things, cus I'm using the "try with out installation" mode
[10:07] <blackflow> let's not confuse new users with a megaton of choice.   to Ubuntu they came, with Ubuntu they should stick until they feel familiar enough to try others. If at all.
[10:08] <blackflow> ubuntua: it's quite unlikely that your system is hacked. possible, yes, but unlikely.
[10:08] <cim209> true
[10:08] <blackflow> ubuntua: again, if you want persistent Ubuntu that you can use normall, from an USB stick, take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[10:08] <cim209> the newcomers will know soon enough about advance stuff
[10:09] <cim209> soon know enough*
[10:09] <ubuntua> so you are very confident about the "try ubuntu without installation" mode in regard of security?
[10:10] <cim209> ubuntua: you mean the live usb mode?
[10:10] <ubuntua> yes cim209,
[10:11] <blackflow> ubuntua: the reason I dislike using "this is safe" is because "safe" is very much relative. Depending on the level of security needed, it ranges from "very much" to "not at all". For starters with a live env you can't update components that require restart, like the kernel, dbus or systemd.
[10:11] <ubuntua> is that mode as safe as the persistent installed mode?
[10:11] <blackflow> ubuntua: does my above answer about relativity of "safe" satisfy you? there's no other answer.
[10:11] <cim209> what blackflow said is true, security is 100% relative
[10:11] <EriC^^> usualrise1: we can try making ubuntu the first in the boot order, but likely the BIOS will override it
[10:11] <blackflow> but definitely persistent installation is "safer" (relative), because it can update ALL components
[10:12] <cim209> think of live mode as a burner phone
[10:12] <EriC^^> usualrise1: sometimes the BIOS has a feature to select which one to boot usually within the BIOS options itself, which PC model is this?
[10:12] <cim209> you can use and abuse it then throw it away after. like a VM
[10:12] <EriC^^> usualrise1: sudo efibootmgr -o 000F,000C,0010,000B,000A,000E,000D,0000,0001,0002,0003,0004,0005,0006,0007,0008,0009,0011
[10:13] <ubuntua> but backflow, i just "sodo apt upgrade" succeeded couple days ago
[10:14] <blackflow> ubuntua: again, some components need restart and reboot. live env is not persistent across reboots.
[10:14] <blackflow> if you want to use Ubuntu off of an USB stick, take a look at the link above.
[10:14] <ubuntua> yes, cim209, that's why I like that mode, i wont hurt the computer persistently
[10:14] <cim209> no not sodo
[10:14] <cim209> it's sudo
[10:15] <blackflow> ubuntua: "hurt"?
[10:15] <ubuntua> it wont hurt..
[10:16] <blackflow> ubuntua: okay you don't want to mess with the OS and files on your disks. Fine. Look up that link, install ubuntu on an USB stick persistently.
[10:16] <ubuntua> I mean if you persistently installed, anything you do will left to the disk, for a newbie, a lot of moves are wrong
[10:17] <blackflow> ubuntua: I can agree with that. the only dual/multi booting that I will ever suggest is one with each OS on its own disk.
[10:17] <blackflow> everything else is fiddling with high risks to break something even to advanced users, as your Windows is lying about how its using "drive letter" and proceeds to erase whole disk, not just the partition the "drive letter" is attached to. :)
[10:18] <cim209> you wanna do something so backward and make your life hard? try building a docker image
[10:20] <ubuntua> cim209,"backward" you mean?
[10:20] <cim209> ubuntua: you ever used docker
[10:21] <blackflow> ubuntua: one day, when you learn about "docker", you'll understand what a steaming pile of .... it is. that's what cim209 meant.
[10:21] <blackflow> and now for something completely different:  let's not confuse new users :)
[10:21] <cim209> blackflow: i actually love docker but it's a PITA lol
[10:21] <ubuntua> ok. it seems too "advanced" to me:)
[10:22] <blackflow> ubuntua: don't bother yourself with it. it's usable only in some very specific and advanced settings. if you will ever need it, you'll learn about it.
[10:22] <cim209> i am actually connected to this channel using a web client docker image
[10:22] <usualrise1> EriC^^: Thanks a lot :)
[10:22] <EriC^^> usualrise1: did it work?
[10:22] <usualrise1> Yeah it worked
[10:22] <EriC^^> ah great, good to hear
[10:22] <EriC^^> no problem :)
[10:23] <usualrise1> EriC^^: Can you help me with windows too? How can I add windows option in grub
[10:23] <usualrise1> Since I am unable to see windows in it
[10:23] <EriC^^> usualrise1: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:23] <ubuntua> for now I just feel "try ubuntu without installation" is a good way to learn , if no security concerns borther me, I would stick to that mode for a while
[10:23] <cim209> usualrise1: most modern distros have grub os prober
[10:24] <cim209> which should detect your windows partition
[10:24] <EriC^^> ubuntua: nothing is saved though
[10:24] <blackflow> ubuntua: well as time passes, that live env will be less and less secure as you can't apply some fixes.
[10:25] <blackflow> ubuntua: really..... really... if you want to use Ubuntu off of an USB stick, please take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent      do yourself a favor.
[10:26] <usualrise1> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/iw6d
[10:26] <cim209> i recommend etcher but it doesn't have persist mode
[10:26] <blackflow> ubuntua: but it's not just updates. it is NOT designed for regular use. as a small example, the "root" user on the live env is not protected. anyone and anything can elevate privilege and affect your main disks...
[10:27] <EriC^^> usualrise1: windows is installed in legacy mode and ubuntu in uefi mode, you need to either convert ubuntu to use legacy which is easy, or reinstall ubuntu in legacy mode
[10:27] <EriC^^> do you want to convert it to legacy?
[10:27] <usualrise1> Yes
[10:28] <EriC^^> usualrise1: type "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[10:29] <EriC^^> usualrise1: go to the line that says UUID=stuff-here /boot/efi .......  and add at the start of the line a "#" to comment it out, then press ctrl+o to save then ctrl+x to exit
[10:30] <usualrise1> It is already commented
[10:30] <ubuntua> I learn some moves, like "sudo touch nologin"  , start ufw and passwd root , do you think these still can't protect root?
[10:32] <blackflow> ubuntua: the next power loss or reboot for whatever reason (say a bug in GPU while you watch a YouTube vid) will erase everything you did, all updates, all configs, any local files you had.
[10:32] <usualrise1> EriC^^: It is already commented
[10:33] <EriC^^> usualrise1: hmm, type "cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:34] <usualrise1> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/totf
[10:34] <EriC^^> usualrise1: ok, great, type "sudo apt-get install grub-pc"
[10:35] <EriC^^> usualrise1: then type "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:35] <EriC^^> usualrise1: then type "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:35] <usualrise1> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/3kb8
[10:36] <EriC^^> usualrise1: did it say it was already installed?
[10:37] <ubuntua> I suffer couple times  that everything dont anwser(mouse, keyboard..) these days, I have to reboot and lost what i've done
[10:37] <EriC^^> usualrise1: please type "ls /sys/firmware/efi" and tell me if it shows dirs or no file found
[10:37] <blackflow> ubuntua: exactly. make a persistent installation.
[10:38] <ubuntua> and there seems no "ctrl alt del" in ubuntu:)
[10:38] <usualrise1> EriC^^: Dirs
[10:38] <anikras> hi, can I add an alias in my /etc/hosts without IP. I have only a DNS name. I would like to to an example: mydomain.ask.ct  server
[10:38] <ubuntua> I will blackflow , good suggestion
[10:39] <blackflow> anikras: nope.
[10:39] <EriC^^> usualrise1: ok, that means you're booted in uefi mode
[10:39] <anikras> ok, thanks
[10:40] <blackflow> anikras: but... there's the "search" function/option for resolv.conf  so that when you use "mydomain" as host,   and "search ask.ct" is in resolv.conf,   it'll try "mydomain.ask.ct"
[10:40] <EriC^^> usualrise1: ok, try now "sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda"
[10:40] <blackflow> anikras: you can set that via "Domains" option of /etc/systemd/resolved.conf   if you're using Ubuntu defaults (with systemd-resolved)
[10:41] <anikras> I add an alias in my bashrc alias server='mydomain'
[10:41] <usualrise1> EriC^^: Installition finished. no errors reported
[10:42] <blackflow> anikras: what _exactly_ do you want to achieve as the end goal?
[10:42] <blackflow> !xy | anikras
[10:43] <anikras> I have an list of servers with a large names
[10:44] <anikras> I woudl like a list of alias with all the server names, but I don't have IP address
[10:44] <blackflow> anikras: is the domain search functionality as explained above sufficient for your situation?
[10:44] <usualrise1> EriC^^: Done that.
[10:45] <blackflow> anikras: alternatively, why don't have the IPs? are they dynamic? If they're static and won't chnage, it's easy to find them
[10:45] <EriC^^> usualrise1: type "sudo update-grub"
[10:45] <EriC^^> see if it mentions windows
[10:46] <usualrise1> No it didn't mentioned windows
[10:46] <anikras> blackflow,  I have an alias file with all the dns
[10:47] <blackflow> anikras: again, are they all on the same domain? is the "domain search" functionality sufficient for your problem?
[10:48] <anikras> blackflow,  yes, it is a sufficient for my problem, thanks
[10:59] <EriC^^> usualrise1: oh, try booting now to get into ubuntu without uefi
[10:59] <EriC^^> usualrise1: choose in the BIOS csm legacy if that's an option
[11:05] <OnkelTem> My USB microphone doesn't work neither in Google Chrome nor in Firefox. I *must* select it manually in Pavucontrol every damned time! It cannot rememeber that I use it
[11:05] <OnkelTem> I use Kubuntu 18.04, and I selected this microphone in the Systehm  Settings
[11:05] <OnkelTem> I also selected exactly this microphone in Chrome and Firefox
[11:06] <OnkelTem> Btw, this shit didn't work on 17.10 either
[11:07] <OnkelTem> So I've been playing with pavucontrol for the second year
[11:08] <OnkelTem> Yet I hope it's possible to get sound working on Linux anyway, it is probably that I didn't invest enough time!
[11:09] <usualrise1> EriC^^: Ok I will try that
[11:42] <silenfgd> I'm unable to connect to a WiFi network
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> !details | silenfgd
[11:43] <silenfgd> I am actually able to connect but not any new connections. im assuming it's because somehow its not able to save the network files. Im using plasma.
[11:44] <silenfgd> Where are they saved in plasma? I think chowning them would solve the issue.  I tried finding it online but couldn't find thr exact location.I confirmed this (that its able to write the files) by installing another network manager gui and when tried to add or delete a network connection it said you don't have root permissions
[11:46] <randominternetus> Is there any way to have the tray bar back in ubuntu 18.04 gnome?
[11:46] <blackflow> silenfgd: any results with this command?   `find ~/ \! -user USERNAME`   replace USERNAME with your actual user
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> randominternetus: the tray bar?
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> randominternetus: you mean you want indicators at right upepr corner?
[11:49] <blackflow> silenfgd: it would list any files in your home dir not owned by you. normally no such files should exist. That's just to find any potential permission issues in your ~/. NM is likely storing config files under /etc/NetworkManager/    but... I'm not sure exactly about Plasma, whether it's the same NM
[11:49] <randominternetus> lotuspsychje, yaeh I think
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> randominternetus: the indicators still work on gnome 18.04, depending on wich apps you install, some work, some are broken
[11:50] <blackflow> randominternetus: Ubuntu specifically adds an extension that does that yes   "appindicators" if I'm not mistaken
[11:50] <randominternetus> lotuspsychje, hexchat for example.
[11:50] <randominternetus> blackflow, can you give me the package name please?
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah hexchat hasnt got an indicator anymore for 18.04
[11:51] <randominternetus> What can I do?
[11:51] <blackflow> randominternetus: no idea, and it's installed by default. look into "Top Icons" extension as well, I think it's the "generic" systray extension these days
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> randominternetus: some out of my head working: qbittorrent, caffeine,
[11:51] <randominternetus> alright. thanks guys.
[11:51] <randominternetus> hmm
[11:51] <silenfgd> blackflow It's showing none
[11:52] <blackflow> !info gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> randominternetus: you can find the appindicators blackflow mentions on gnome-tweak-tool
[11:52] <silenfgd> blackflow I even chowned my home directory kust in case
[11:53] <blackflow> !info gnome-shell-extension-appindicator
[11:53] <blackflow> silenfgd: right so that red herring is out of the way.
[11:58] <blackflow> randominternetus: seen the two packages above?
[11:59] <randominternetus> blackflow, ah just saw it. thanks.
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:08] <imightbearobot> hello
[13:10] <joop_> Hi
[13:36] <Exterminador> leftyfb: heads up > that radio bot that I was using that crashed with the 'general protection ip' error, doesn't crash if I use taskset to assign it to just one core.
[13:38] <Exterminador> I'm wondering how that can affect the bot tho
[13:39] <Guest21> Hi guys
[13:40] <Guest21> I have genereted two list of MD5 files in different directory with the commands:
[13:40] <Guest21> find DirectoryA/ -type f -exec md5sum {} + | sort -k 2 > dir1.txt
[13:40] <Guest21> find DirectoryB/ -type f -exec md5sum {} + | sort -k 2 > dir2.txt
[13:41] <Guest21> then I would like show only difference by only MD5 with the command: diff -u dir1.txt dir2.txt
[13:42] <Guest21> but it does not the output that I want
[13:43] <blackflow> Guest21: it's not clear what you want. also why don't you use diff on dirs directly?
[13:44] <Guest21> for example: in dir1.txt I have  1a2b3c4d5e6f5g... /path1/path2/file1.txt  and in dir2.txt I have same file (MD5) but in different path 1a2b3c4d5e6f5g... /path3/path4/file5.txt
[13:45] <Guest21> the output I would like to show is only those files that have different MD5s in both directories
[13:46] <blackflow> Guest21: so you want to show files with same NAME, but differing MD5sums in different dirs?
[13:47] <blackflow> Guest21: note that with find + md5sum the output is full paths. so same named files would still have different directories and would not sort equally with that -k 2
[13:47] <leftyfb> Exterminador: you still need to contact the author of the bot for support
[13:48] <Exterminador> leftyfb: I'll do so. just trying to get some insight about how having multiple cores (6 in this case) can raise that error but using taskset solves it
[13:48] <leftyfb> Exterminador: again, that's not an ubuntu problem. It's a bot problem.
[13:48] <elichai2> hey, what's the easiest way to create a keyboard/mouse macro in ubuntu?
[13:49] <leftyfb> elichai2: the keyboard settings
[13:49] <Guest21> blackflow Given two directories A and B I want to show ONLY those files (through the comparison of MD5) of B that are not present in A
[13:49] <elichai2> leftyfb: there's shortcuts to open apps can't see any to write text
[13:49] <Exterminador> also, I can use taskset in a systemd script, just like in the command line, correct? like ExecStart=taskset -c 0 /home/radio/radiobot (where radiobot is the script that starts the bot)
[13:50] <elichai2> (I want it to write `println!("{:?}");` lol)
[13:50] <leftyfb> elichai2: then you want a bash alias
[13:51] <blackflow> Guest21: you can use diff directly on two directories btw
[13:51] <elichai2> leftyfb: and how will a bash alias do that?
[13:52] <blackflow> Guest21: diff -q DirectoryA/ DirectoryB/     for example
[13:52] <geirha> Guest21: awk 'FNR==NR{a[$1];next} !($1 in a) { print "Missing:", $0 }' dir1.txt dir2.txt
[13:52] <blackflow> Guest21: otherwise you'll have to strip directories from filenames if you want to diff a list of md5sums for files of the same NAME in different dirs
[13:54] <leftyfb> elichai2: what is this for exactly?
[13:55] <elichai2> I have the `Logitech Maste MX 2S` mouse and I have a spare button that I want to use to write a print in rust when I program
[13:55] <ani> When i want to start apache2 i got error?
[13:55] <ani> Job for apache2.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[13:56] <ani> Please give me solution
[13:56] <leftyfb> ani: did you do what the error message told you?
[13:56] <ani> Yes
[13:56] <leftyfb> ani: and what was the error from journalctl? (use pastebin)
[13:57] <leftyfb> elichai2: print in rust?
[13:58] <elichai2> yeah lol `println!("{:?}");`
[13:58] <ani> I don't understand it
[13:58] <elichai2> that's what I want it to write
[13:58] <leftyfb> ani: I'm not asking you to understand it. You should paste the output to pastebin so we can see it here and help you.
[13:58] <Guest21> geirha "Missing:......" is refered to the file dir2 that is not present in dir1?
[13:59] <ani> ok
[13:59] <geirha> Guest21: it lists the files in dir2 that has no md5sum entry in dir1
[14:00] <ani> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nPGWCmYfVm/
[14:01] <grkblood13> For some reason when I type commands in the terminal window theyre now being underlined and Ican no longer tab to autocomplete the command. How do Iget rid of this?
[14:01] <tomreyn> ani: this isnt the command that was given. and you should pipe the ouput into    pastebinit     or    nc termbin.com 9999
[14:01] <Guest21> geirha Ok works! (y)
[14:02] <Exterminador> is there a way to check if a process/PID is really assigned just to a specific core, after using taskset?
[14:05] <ani> @tomreyn i can't get the error for  journalctl
[14:06] <tomreyn> ani: just run this, paste the url here: journalctl -xe | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:06] <traekili> elichai2, i think that xclip could help do that but not 100% sure. like if you could map middle mouse to a script that uses it so it moves the print cmd to the clipboard. not sure because i dont know if it would paste
[14:06] <traekili> depends
[14:06] <elichai2> hmmm
[14:07] <elichai2> there's actually another problem. my mouse has 2 whell scrollers. a vertical and horizontal. I tried changing the horizontal to be a vertical too with xinput but I failed
[14:07] <tomreyn> ani: what you do there is to run the command given in the error message ("journalctl -xe", right?) and push its output into termbin.com (a paste bin service for hosting short text snippets, such as logs), using the 'nc' (netcat) utility.
[14:08] <elichai2> traekili: leftyfb maybe this one will be easier to fix? haha
[14:11] <Exterminador> can I add a 'custom' command to a systemd script, to just echo the result of "taskset -p $MAINPID"?
[14:16] <ani> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5Yzj3JvWf4/
[14:17] <tomreyn> ani: and be sure to highlight (name) those whom you are responding to:
[14:17] <leftyfb> ani: "Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file"
[14:18] <leftyfb> ani: what version of ubuntu is this?
[14:18] <ani> yes
[14:18] <leftyfb> ani: which version of ubuntu is this?
[14:18] <ani> 18.10
[14:18] <leftyfb> ani: server or desktop?
[14:19] <ani> LENOVO
[14:19] <leftyfb> ani: Do you have Ubuntu with a desktop interface installed or is this just ubuntu server with console only?
[14:21] <ani> @leftyfb Ubuntu with desktop interface installed
[14:21] <leftyfb> ani: why are you trying to install/run apache?
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[14:23] <leftyfb> ani: how did you install apache?
[14:25] <ani> lefttyfb From digitalocean.
[14:26] <leftyfb> ani: what were the commands you ran to install apache? (please try to answer quickly. It's really painful waiting 2 minutes between answers)
[14:26] <ani> see it https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-16-04
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> ani: Notice anything odd about that title?
[14:27] <ani> this command was  rum by me
[14:27] <leftyfb> ani: Are you running a Digitial Ocean droplet?
[14:27] <ani> yes
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> ani: First, the tutorial is for Ubuntu 16.04... you claimed to be on 18.10... you should match the documentation to the software you are trying to run on
[14:28] <ani> This was runing before updation of the ubuntu from 16.04 to 18.10
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> ani: Second, we don't support Digital Ocean droplets here. You need to use the support channels provided by Digital Ocean for help/
[14:28] <leftyfb> ani: ok, you REALLY need to give us all your details up front
[14:29] <ani> ok
[14:29] <ani> What you want from
[14:29] <leftyfb> ani: it sounds like you upgrade wiped out your configs for apache. If it were me, I would create a new droplet with Ubuntu SERVER 18.04 and reinstall and restore from backups
[14:30] <ani> Ok
[14:30] <zeropoint> pragmaticenigma: Where is it said that DO droplets aren't supported here?
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> zeropoint: This is not a debate channel, discussion available in #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[14:32] <zeropoint> pragmaticenigma: No. If you're going to tell someone that their particular host renders them unsupportable, you're going to provide where that's stated.
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> zeropoint: join #ubuntu-discuss
[14:32] <zeropoint> pragmaticenigma: Because otherwise, and I believe this is the case, you're full of it.
[14:32] <zeropoint> lotuspsychje: No.
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> zeropoint: this si a support channel
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | zeropoint
[14:32] <zeropoint> I'm asking this -here-. Answer the question.
[14:32] <ani> I can't able to restore and reinstall for this version
[14:33] <zeropoint> lotuspsychje: And you're telling someone that they're unsupportable because of their host.
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> !guidelines | zeropoint, also
[14:33] <zeropoint> pragmaticenigma: You can spam those all you want. It's a legitimate question. Provide where that's stated, or be quiet.
[14:34] <leftyfb> ani: why can't you "restore and reinstall"?
[14:34] <ani> How can i restore and reinstall
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> zeropoint: The host has nothing to do with it. Ubuntu as provided by Digital Ocean is not the same Ubuntu as provided directly from Canonical. Digital Ocean has modified their installations of Ubuntu for their platform. We are not provided with the documentation or necessary information about the changes they have altered. There is your answer. Further discussion will occur in #ubuntu-discuss as that is the proper
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> forum for this discussion.
[14:35] <leftyfb> ani: Follow Digital Ocean instructions on creating a new droplet or reinstalling Ubuntu 18.04 onto your exiting one. Then reinstall your applications like you did before and refer to either your previous droplet if you kept it and went with a new one or refer to your backup configs to reconfigure it the way you like/need
[14:36] <ani> ok
[14:36] <zeropoint> pragmaticenigma: Provide a source, please. Otherwise, be quiet if you're unwilling to help. Especially due to the fact that you're factually wrong.
[14:36] <zeropoint> pragmaticenigma: And no, I'm not going to take this out of the public eye. I'm going to discuss this right here.
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | zeropoint ... failing to follow guidelines
[14:37] <leftyfb> zeropoint: technically, the very nature of VPS is a shared and custom kernel across all droplets. That right there is a pretty big change.
[14:37] <zeropoint> leftyfb: That's also factually inaccurate. DO droplets run their own kernels.
[14:38] <leftyfb> zeropoint: what I said is not inaccurate. Maybe I was wrong to assume DO droplets were VPS. But I am right about VPS.
[14:38] <zeropoint> VPS is a product term, not a technical thing.
[14:38] <ani> leftyfb I tried it but not able to install apache2 or start it
[14:38] <leftyfb> ani: you tried what exactly?
[14:39] <zeropoint> leftyfb: So no, you're not. That's my problem. People are telling users that they're unsupported based on invalid data and are unwilling to provide a source for this supposed "policy." That is NOT right.
[14:39] <leftyfb> zeropoint: Which web hosting company are you or have you worked for?
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> zeropoint: ENOUGH, #ubuntu-disuss is just as public as this channel and is the appropriate forum for this dicussion.
[14:40] <zeropoint> pragmaticenigma: No.
[14:40] <zeropoint> leftyfb: Not a reasonable response. Google "VPS" and see how many KVM responses you get. They all run their own kernels.
[14:41] <Seveas> leftyfb: vps literally means "virtual private server", a virtual machine running its own kernel. Which kernel can run on such a vps *may* be limited, but digital ocean vps'es are not limited in that way and behave just like physical servers, except that they're virtual machines.
[14:42] <ani> this is https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/install-and-configure-apache#3
[14:42] <blackflow> Xen based VPS used to shared a kernel, that's no longer common setup
[14:42] <blackflow> and by "share" I mean image file. they still run their own instance in their VM space
[14:42] <zeropoint> Xen and OpenVZ are shared kernel. KVM, which is most common these days, are not. All are VPS. Anyway, this portion of the discussion IS off-topic. Sorry about that.
[14:42] <Seveas> blackflow: that's what I meant with the limitations :) And it's still fairly common (AWS)
[14:43] <blackflow> OpenVZ is OS-level virt, it literally is a shared kernel
[14:43] <zeropoint> AWS moved to KVM a while back.
[14:43] <Seveas> zeropoint: oh? Damn. I'm behind on the times
[14:43] <zeropoint> Anyway!
[14:43] <blackflow> Seveas: I doubt anyone does it these days, tehy all moved to KVM or are using Xen with pvgrub
[14:44] <leftyfb> Again, I admitted that I was wrong in assuming DO used a shared kernel. Though It looks like I was right about DO using a custom(internal) kernel which is not supported here.  https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/droplets/how-to/kernel/
[14:44] <Seveas> blackflow: yeah, people like adding more layers of isolation, and for good reasons :)
[14:44] <Seveas> leftyfb: that has nothing to do with apache though
[14:44] <blackflow> so what's the problem here, I scrolled up but can't find the orig question
[14:44] <Seveas> user with an apache problem, and people unwilling to support because it's on DO
[14:44] <leftyfb> ani: what exactly did you try?
[14:45] <leftyfb> I've been supporting them this whole time
[14:45] <leftyfb> albeit very slowly
[14:45] <zeropoint> Seveas: Not just unwilling, but telling them that they're unsupportable in this channel.
[14:46] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Has Thunderbird 60.5.1 been released already in the updates?
[14:46] <blackflow> well, DOs per se are not. Ubuntu installations that are not modifed with unsupported software, are not.  DO dropplets aren't in that category afaik
[14:46] <blackflow> (they don't modify Ubuntu)
[14:46] <leftyfb> blackflow: they do not run a stock kernel
[14:46] <leftyfb> technically
[14:46] <blackflow> OVH did and got sued by Canonical. DO would've suffered the same fate if they did.
[14:47] <blackflow> leftyfb: the page you linked doesn't state so, though
[14:47] <zeropoint> leftyfb: 4.15.0-45-generic?
[14:47] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: have you tried to look for and install pending updates uon your (yet) unknown ubuntu version, have you looked at https://packages.ubuntu.com , have you run rmadison?
[14:47] <blackflow> it uses a bit weird term "internal" but from what I gather, that's native kernel supplied by the VM
[14:47] <leftyfb> "All Droplets created after March 2017 use internal kernels by default"
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> we seen alot of those digitalocean users before with weird kernels here before, def not !mainline
[14:47] <zeropoint> leftyfb: Internal = distro-provided.
[14:47] <blackflow> leftyfb: weird terminology but it means OS native for the VM
[14:47] <Seveas> ani: your apache install is missing config files. Could you pastebin the output of `find /etc/apache2` please? Proper instructions on how to try to fix your issue will depend in what files remain. Whether you need to reinstall is yet to be determined
[14:47] <leftyfb> ok, I could be wrong about that then as well. Bad way to word it
[14:48] <blackflow> totally bad
[14:48] <zeropoint> leftyfb: Agreed there.
[14:48] <Seveas> lotuspsychje: a custom kernel does not delete apache config files though :D
[14:48] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: 16.04, 18.04 and 18.10. But they are VMs in the computer that is in the closet
[14:48] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:48] <Seveas> (well, it could, but I'd expect DO's kernel not to)
[14:49] <zeropoint> This is why I was actively challenging the assertion that DO automatically makes you unsupportable. And rather than anyone listening, they want to shuffle people off to a different channel. Absolutely unacceptable.
[14:49] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: so <ou did check whether it's available already?
[14:49] <tomreyn> *you
[14:49] <Seveas> zeropoint: agreed, that's why I spoke up too. But let's calm down a bit again and focus on supporting the user :)
[14:49] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: :( I am a lazy arse
[14:49] <zeropoint> Seveas: I'm next to clueless about Apache, so I'll let someone with expertise in that area continue.
[14:50] <Seveas> !info thunderbird
[14:50] <leftyfb> Seveas: ani is running Ubuntu 18.10 desktop on a droplet upgraded from Ubuntu 16.04 with incompatibilities with 18.04+ apache configs. At this point, it will be a LOT easier and quicker and more productive to install Ubuntu 18.04 server and reconfigure. 18.10 will be unsupported in 5 months. Probably not the best thing to be running on a hosted server.
[14:50] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: be less lazy then
[14:50] <marcoagpinto> yes
[14:50] <blackflow> though technically #ubuntu-server IS a better place for apache problems
[14:50] <leftyfb> ^
[14:50] <blackflow> (so shuffling users to other chans ain't that bad idea in this case)
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: he's on a lenovo desktop...non-lts
[14:50] <marcoagpinto> but take the laptop out of the closet and do all the tasks gives too much effort, just to check the Thunderbird version
[14:50] <zeropoint> Oh, I thought that was for internal discussions about the server release.
[14:50] <zeropoint> TIL.
[14:51] <Seveas> leftyfb: could be. The reason I asked for configs is to make sure we keep what's needed before suggesting a reinstall. I don't generally trust people to have made backups beforehand :)
[14:51] <blackflow> nah. and laptops can be servers too. "server" is not just a rack mounted thing. it's any machien that fulfills a "server" role. running apache does that
[14:51] <leftyfb> Seveas: It doesn't sound like they have backups. And they are missing their /etc/apache2/apache.conf, that's the current issue.
[14:52] <Seveas> leftyfb: and if that's the only missing file, a reinstall with force-confmiss may fix it. But if there's more missing, we'll have to go more radical
[14:52] <leftyfb> blackflow: running the desktop version on a remote instance to host a "xampp" is probably not the best use of resources and probably chosen out of inexperience(assumption)
[14:53] <blackflow> probably not, but it's not wrong per se
[14:53] <leftyfb> $wrong ;)
[14:54] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: "thunderbird (1:60.4.0+build2-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 [amd64, i386], 1:38.6.0+build1-0ubuntu1 [arm64, armhf, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x]) [security]
[14:54] <marcoagpinto>     Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter"
[14:54] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[14:54] <marcoagpinto> it is still the old version
[14:55] <ani> i have some missing file /etc/apache2/apache.conf
[14:55] <leftyfb> marcoagpinto: is there a specific feature you need in 60.5 that isn't available in 60.4?
[14:55] <leftyfb> ani: Do you have a backup of your previous config?
[14:55] <marcoagpinto> yes, my add-on, the British speller is a WebExtension
[14:55] <marcoagpinto> it requires 60.5+
[14:56] <ani> No
[14:56] <Seveas> ani: could you pastebin the output of `find /etc/apache2` please? Proper instructions on how to try to fix your issue will depend in what files remain. Whether you need to reinstall is yet to be determined
[14:57] <leftyfb> ani: ok, step #1 would be to make a backup of all your configs in /etc/apache2. Then we can continue troubleshooting.
[14:57] <Seveas> ani: while you're at it, pastebin the output of `dpkg -l` too, to see if there's packages in a bad state
[14:58] <ani> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NDny5BdC8S/
[14:58] <blackflow> oopsie daisie
[14:58] <leftyfb> heh
[14:58] <leftyfb> no configs
[14:58] <Seveas> ok, so absolutely no apache config files remaining, that's... really broken :)
[14:58] <leftyfb> ani: it will be 100% quicker to just reinstall Ubuntu 18.04 server (do you really need desktop) and reconfigure
[14:59] <Seveas> hopefully not too many broken packages, eagerly awaiting the dpkg output
[14:59] <leftyfb> ani: I would take backups of anything left that you want to keep (database?)
[14:59] <Seveas> leftyfb: that depends on how much data there is on that server that should be kept
[15:01] <leftyfb> ani: Can you explain why it takes so long for you to respond?
[15:01] <blackflow> wait, why suggest whole OS reinstall, when apparently reinstalling apache would suffice? did something else happen?   I read the backlog but I'm totally confused now. is this a laptop or a digital ocean droplet? is it LAMP or XAMP (OSX...)?
[15:02] <ani_> How to i configer ubuntu 18.04 version
[15:03] <ani_> of server
[15:03] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: do there are new features in 60.5.1 which your extension depends on?
[15:03] <blackflow> ani_: that question is as broad as asking "how do I drive a car"
[15:03] <Seveas> ani_: by answering the questions we ask. Your system is in a bad state, and we'll need to figure out how to fix it.
[15:03] <blackflow> ani_: you'll have to be more specific in what you want to achieve.
[15:03] <tomreyn> s/do/so/
[15:03] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: it is a WebExtension
[15:03] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:03] <marcoagpinto> no longer a legacy add-on
[15:04] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: and web extension support is introduced in exactly this thunderbird version?
[15:04] <ani_> ok
[15:04] <marcoagpinto> 60.5
[15:04] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:04] <marcoagpinto> it should be at 60.0 ESR but Mozilla screwed up
[15:04] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: i see. strange version number for such a substantial change. have you tried the snap?
[15:04] <marcoagpinto> they swapped the hunspell filenames
[15:05] <tomreyn> i see
[15:05] <leftyfb> tomreyn: the snap is 60.3
[15:05] <marcoagpinto> then they took one or two months to release 60.5
[15:05] <tomreyn> leftyfb: oh hadnt checked yet
[15:05] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: so i guess oyu'll need to try the upstream builds to test the extension you are developing
[15:06] <OerHeks> or use https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/ ..?
[15:06] <tomreyn> those are the upstream builds ;)
[15:06] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: I am a Windows user... I am just concerned about the people who send me e-mail "it doesn't work blah blah"
[15:06] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:06] <OerHeks> oh oke, i was thinking about debian
[15:07] <tomreyn> OerHeks: i see, no i think ubuntu's thunderbird comes directly from mozilla.
[15:07] <ani_> but i con't  get through that
[15:07] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: i guess there's no way around it for now.
[15:07] <marcoagpinto> oki
[15:07] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[15:07] <petro> ubuntu is full of bugs
[15:07] <petro> here's one:
[15:07] <petro> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/9r63vv/nvidias_drivers_are_now_open_source/
[15:08] <petro> apparently, this is the same bug from 2016 lol
[15:08] <Seveas> petro: all software is made of bugs, it's a key ingredient :)
[15:08] <tomreyn> petro: to discuss, please /join #ubuntu-discuss.
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Seveas, they're also called "features"
[15:09] <Seveas> BluesKaj: that
[15:09] <Seveas> BluesKaj: that's just a fancy word for a documented bug :D
[15:09] <marcoagpinto> http://proofingtoolgui.org/faq.html#4
[15:09] <marcoagpinto> "Thunderbird:
[15:09] <marcoagpinto>  — 60.5+ ESR (29-JAN-2019)
[15:09] <marcoagpinto>  — 65+ "
[15:10] <tomreyn> !paste | marcoagpinto
[15:10] <marcoagpinto> it does work with 65
[15:10] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[15:10] <marcoagpinto> sorry
[15:10] <marcoagpinto> :(
[15:10] <tomreyn> we dont have 65, though
[15:11] <marcoagpinto> because 65 is beta
[15:11] <Seveas> marcoagpinto: looks like the only way to get thunderbird at that version on Ubuntu is to use binaries provided by mozilla or building from source. I'd expect proper updates in repositories to follow in a bit, so keep an eye out :)
[15:11] <marcoagpinto> only evey 8 versions there is an ESR
[15:11] <marcoagpinto> every*
[15:11] <marcoagpinto> so, the real new ESR will be 68
[15:11] <Seveas> !info tunderbird disco
[15:11] <Seveas> !info thunderbird disco
[15:12] <Seveas> even disco (ubuntu dev version) isn't at 60.5 yet
[15:12] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: ubuntu users can choose between https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=thunderbird&exact=1 and https://snapcraft.io/thunderbird - there may be PPAs which provide newer versions, and there are the mozilla builds, but neither are supported here or by canonoical.
[15:12] <OerHeks> beta = 66.x
[15:15] <hans_> is there some way to install CodeBlocks 17.12 on 18.04 ? (Ubuntu official repos haven't updated since CodeBlocks 16.04)
[15:16] <leftyfb> !info codeblocks
[15:16] <leftyfb> hans_: It doesn't look like it
[15:17] <tomreyn> hans_: maybe from a ppa
[15:17] <Seveas> hans_: there seems to be a third party repo at https://apt.jenslody.de/ - use at your own risk :)
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> ani_: can you pastebin: uname -a && lsb_release -a && apt-cache policy apache2
[15:17] <hans_> Seveas, i tried that, get "Depends: libhunspell-1.4-0 but it is not installable"
[15:18] <hans_> ani_, you having a problem with httpd? can you repeat?
[15:19] <Seveas> not entirely surprising to find such issues. Try grabbing the sources from that repo and recompiling (apt-get source, apt-get build-dep and dpkg-buildpackage are your friends here) to link against the right versions of libraries for Ubuntu
[15:20] <riffo> hei guys
[15:21] <Seveas> \o
[15:21] <riffo> :v
[15:24] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: these are unsupported, may not provide a clean upgrade path (data loss is possible); https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=bionic
[15:24] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhh
[15:25] <Seveas> hans_: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot cdbs libboost-system-dev devscripts; dget -u https://apt.jenslody.de/testing/pool/release/codeblocks_17.12.dsc; cd codeblocks-17.12; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[15:26] <Seveas> tomreyn: nice find!
[15:26] <hans_> Seveas, hmm i'll give it a go, thanks!
[15:26] <Seveas> hans_: do make sure you have at least a vague understanding of what those commands do before executing them please :)
[15:26] <blackflow> wasn't there an apt command to install all build deps for a package?
[15:27] <hans_> don't know what dget does but i can guess
[15:27] <Seveas> oh, I missed that one. hans_ do this one before the buildpackage: sudo apt-get build-dep codeblocks
[15:27] <blackflow> apt-get build-dep   .... I wonder if it works with dsc files
[15:27] <hans_> if not, it'll get what's required for the 16.04 version, which with a bit of luck, shouldn't be all that differet
[15:27] <Abhyuday> #pkmkb
[15:27] <hans_> different*
[15:27] <Seveas> the other things with apt-get install are deps missing in the ubuntu version of the package, and other build tools assumed to be installed or used by the other commands
[15:28] <Seveas> hans_: only cdbs and libboost-system-dev were missing :)
[15:33] <tomreyn> hans_: this is unsupported: https://launchpad.net/~alyshmahell/+archive/ubuntu/codeblocks
[15:40] <Seveas> seems to be only for xenial and bionic
[15:40] <Seveas> heh, and they seem to be rebuilds of Jens' packages as well. Looks like they'll work then :D
[15:55] <Seveas> hans_: I've just built those packages and they seem to work just fine. codeblocks starts and I can write code with it :)
[15:56] <bsdpartition> hello, does anyone know how to mount openbsd (6.4) partitions on ubuntu?
[15:56] <bsdpartition> a simple mount either does not display the files, or comes with an error
[15:57] <hans_> Seveas, meanwhile i'm running on a laptop running on battery, meaning the cpu runs much slower to lower power consumption, and.. https://i.imgur.com/9IsbHMm.png
[15:57] <Seveas> bsdpartition: depends on the filesystem on the partition.
[15:57] <hans_> and it's running in a VM wich has performance overhead, and it only has 2 cores and only 1 GB ram and.. stuff
[15:58] <bsdpartition> alright, how do i get the partition type on them?
[15:58] <bsdpartition> Seveas
[15:58] <hans_> bsdpartition, iirc echo "print all" | parted /dev/sda    ?
[15:58] <Seveas> hans_: yeah, building large c++ projects requires patience. Build time for me (slow laptop, but not vm, and I'm on ac power) was from a minute before I gave you the dpkg-buildpackage commands to half a minute before I sent the message that it works :)
[15:58] <bsdpartition> i will try
[15:58] <blackflow> bsdpartition: you mean filesystem.... it's probably UFS and you're out of luck. there's some _readonly_ support but it's.... not good.
[15:59] <bsdpartition> read only would be more than enough
[16:00] <bsdpartition> lol parted only list a single partition and sees its filesystem as 'sun-ufs'
[16:00] <hans_> did you write /dev/sda or did you write /dev/sda1   ?
[16:00] <bsdpartition> i did /dev/sda
[16:00] <Seveas> bsdpartition: https://askubuntu.com/questions/85154/mount-ufs-filesystem
[16:01] <hans_> bsdpartition, after running `modprobe ufs`, you probably need to run `sudo partprobe /dev/sda` too
[16:01] <bsdpartition> i did try that answer
[16:01] <Seveas> what was the result?
[16:01] <blackflow> I'm not sure type=ufs2 is valid for openbsd, I think it was something else, can't remember now
[16:02] <bsdpartition> i will try again with ufstype=ufs instead
[16:02] <blackflow> bsdpartition: if all fails, fire up an openbsd VM  and mount the disk there natively. then access through the VM via whatever protocol you want.
[16:02] <bsdpartition> result: incorrect filesystem
[16:03] <bsdpartition> lets see if partprobe does
[16:03] <blackflow> bsdpartition: try ufstype=44bsd   or any ohter listed in the manpage
[16:04] <bsdpartition> trying 44bsd
[16:04] <bsdpartition> oh man
[16:04] <bsdpartition> 44bsd did it
[16:04] <bsdpartition> thank you so much blackflow
[16:04] <bsdpartition> and Seveas and hans_
[16:04] <Marz> anyone know of a good ssh app that can save commands?
[16:05] <Seveas> bsdpartition: you're welcome! Enjoy your ufs :)
[16:05] <Seveas> Marz: what do you mean with 'save commands'? With ssh you (usually) start a remote shell, and that shell's history can be saved as normal.
[16:08] <blackflow> Marz: aside from Seveas said, run `script` and it'll start a new shell and record all of input/ouput to a file you designated.
[16:08] <blackflow> as history only records issued commands, `script` records all stdin+stdout+stderr
[16:11] <hans_> Seveas, hmm https://i.imgur.com/Zx8do89.png
[16:11] <Seveas> hans_: that's expected. The .deb files are now available in ~/cb/
[16:12] <Seveas> it'
[16:12] <Seveas> it's trying to sign the .dsc file as Jens, but you're not Jens and don't have his keys :D
[16:13] <hans_> so now i need to coerce Jens into handing over his private keys?
[16:13] <hans_> (j/k)
[16:13] <Seveas> hehe :D No, you just need to sudo dpkg -i codeblocks_17.12_amd64.deb codeblocks-common_17.12_all.deb codeblocks-libwxcontrib0_17.12_amd64.deb libcodeblocks0_17.12_amd64.deb
[16:14] <Seveas> it may complain about wanting xterm. sudo apt-get install xterm solves that.
[16:16] <hans_> Seveas, huh, that actually worked! thanks  (used `apt install` over `dpkg -i`  but still)
[16:25] <Seveas> hans_: you're welcome!
[16:48] <Deihmos> Single.
[16:49] <Deihmos> How do you know if the snap app is from the developer or a 3rd party?
[16:51] <dannyjazz_> this s the error I get, how can I fix it? E: Package 'gksu' has no installation candidate
[16:52] <ioria> dannyjazz_, if you are on 18.04, it's normal
[16:52] <dode> Hi, would it be possible to force the ubuntu installer to load wl instead of b43?
[16:53] <dannyjazz_> is there a fix to that ?
[16:54] <tomreyn> dannyjazz_: what did you use it for?
[16:54] <dannyjazz_> trying to install samba from apps not loading
[16:54] <tomreyn> !releasenotes | dannyjazz_ - read the 18.04 release notes, which should discuss it
[16:54] <ioria> dannyjazz_, you use pkexec , gedit admin:///path/to/file.txt ,or install nautilus-admin
[16:54] <Deihmos> are snap packages recommended? i always hear bad things about them
[16:55] <tomreyn> Deihmos: you choose
[16:55] <Deihmos> do you install apps from snap?
[16:55] <ioria> dannyjazz_, sorry, i don't see the relation with samba
[16:55] <tomreyn> dannyjazz_: use sudo in a temrinal, or use pkexec
[16:56] <tomreyn> Deihmos: no polls on this (very) channel, please, we just do support here.
[16:57] <tomreyn> !discuss | Deihmos
[16:59] <curlyears> where in setup may IJ alter the size and shape of the cursor, under ubuntu?
[17:00] <gillo> quit
[17:00] <heap_> hello
[17:00] <heap_> Your system does not have a connection to the Snap Store. For the
[17:00] <heap_> best upgrade experience make sure that your system can connect to
[17:00] <heap_> api.snapcraft.io.
[17:00] <heap_> any idea how can i make that connection available? thank you
[17:03] <tomreyn> heap_: configure your network firewalls to allow the connection to be established and use resolvers which allowf or the hostnames to be resolved properly.
[17:03] <heap_> there are no fws
[17:04] <tomreyn> heap_: yet this message would only be printed when a connection to api.snapcraft.io could not be established. maybe your network is just flakey?
[17:04] <heap_> what is flakey network?
[17:04] <heap_> host api.snapcraft.io
[17:04] <heap_> api.snapcraft.io has address 91.189.92.20
[17:04] <heap_> it can resolv hostname
[17:04] <heap_> without issue
[17:06] <heap_> snap install hello-world
[17:06] <heap_> error: cannot install "hello-world": Post https://api.snapcraft.io/v2/snaps/refresh: dial tcp: lookup
[17:06] <heap_> connection refused
[17:06] <tomreyn> see, fails on your end
[17:06] <heap_> no
[17:06] <heap_> my end is OK
[17:08] <tomreyn> if you search the web on it, this is clearly an error message from your local resolver.
[17:08] <heap_>        dial tcp: lookup api.snapcraft.io on [::1]:53: read udp
[17:08] <heap_>        [::1]:54897->[::1]:53: read: connection refused
[17:08] <heap_> but my local connection works fine
[17:09] <tomreyn> is this a docker guest?
[17:10] <heap_> nope
[17:10] <tomreyn> is this ubuntu desktop, server or core?
[17:10] <heap_> ubuntu server :)
[17:11] <tomreyn> heap_: can you post the output of: lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline; ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[17:11] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | heap_
[17:13] <dode> ok i've answered my own question, the ubuntu installer doesn't appear to include wl so TIL i DO have another ethernet cable
[17:13] <heap_> Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS
[17:13] <heap_> Linux version 4.4.0-142-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-033) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.10) ) #168-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jan 16 21:00:45 UTC 2019
[17:13] <heap_> console=ttyS0 BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-142-generic root=UUID=b23ac74b-b0ef-46ca-8216-20bdafe84e38 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[17:14] <heap_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 kv▒tc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[17:15] <tomreyn> heap_: also, are you working from inside a snap, have you used "snap login" as discussed here? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-refresh-failing-on-dell-edge-3001/8850/8
[17:15] <tomreyn> btw. please use a pastebin in the future
[17:16] <heap_> no im just root ; using console
[17:20] <tomreyn> heap_: please run this and report output, including warnings and errors: sudo systemctl restart snapd.servcice;  snap refresh
[17:20] <heap_> Failed to restart snapd.servcice.service: Unit snapd.servcice.service not found.
[17:23] <tomreyn> heap_: sorry, i had a typo there: sudo systemctl restart snapd.service && snap refresh
[17:23] <heap_> All snaps up to date.
[17:24] <tomreyn> there was no other line of output?
[17:24] <heap_> All snaps up to date.
[17:25] <tomreyn> good luck!
[17:27] <ioria> heap_, it's a proxy thing, i guess
[17:29] <blackflow> heap_: you should really learn not to copypaste commands without understanding them. one day you'll get trolled and lose all your data.
[17:34] <frederic_> Hello, I would like to know the difference between "sr" and "scd" about devices
[17:35] <leftyfb> frederic_: http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/sr.html   # first result when searching google for "sr vs scd"
[17:39] <frederic_> "Google your friend" community ; interesting...
[17:40] <frederic_> And Linux users are wondering why minority of people are interesting about Linux
[17:41] <frederic_> You have your answer : when you don't know something, instead of answering "I don't know", you say "ask Googl".
[17:42] <frederic_> It seems that you don't know a lot of things about Linux
[17:42] <frederic_> It easiest to find serious people on YouTube than answering you
[17:42] <frederic_> asking, not answering
[17:43] <nnrd> Is there anyone out there that is capable to tell me what kind of certifications that is "standard" in mozilla firefox from scratch?
[17:45] <leftyfb> nnrd: huh?
[17:46] <leftyfb> frederic_: you're welcome
[17:48] <mDonchev_> Hello all.
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> welcome mDonchev_
[17:48] <mDonchev_> For some reason my Ubuntu 18.04 freezes when I have Chrome (or Firefox) and the memory usage reaches above 98%.
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> mDonchev_: how much ram do you have?
[17:49] <mDonchev_> The mouse is barely moving ... what could it be? It happens very often ... how can I prevent that from happening
[17:49] <mDonchev_> 2GB
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> mDonchev_: thats a bit low for gnome im affraid and for modern browsing
[17:49] <blackflow> that's very much too low
[17:50] <mDonchev_> i prefer scratching on the HDD than just freezing
[17:50] <blackflow> sounds like a swapstorm is hogging the system down
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> mDonchev_: have you considered a lubuntu/xubuntu ?
[17:50] <mDonchev_> no
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | mDonchev_ have a look
[17:50] <mDonchev_> how is that different than the normal ubuntu?
[17:50] <traekili> less resources used
[17:51] <traekili> using it now
[17:52] <mDonchev_> I guess I can install Budgie or any other window manager ... right?
[17:52] <Devarshi> when i hit command 'vagrant' or 'vagrant-up' ; I get this error : 'Invalid gemspec in [/usr/share/rubygems-integration/all/specifications/rbnacl-libsodium.gemspec]: stack level too deep'
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> mDonchev_: from your existing ubuntu you can test other desktops, but we reccomend if you like one, to clean install the flavor
[17:53] <mDonchev_> Can I just setup someting on my ubuntu just to stop freezing even if it writes constantly to the hdd?
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> mDonchev_: if you dont mind testing, you could install lubuntu-desktop for example
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> mDonchev_: but in your case, i would go fresh lubuntu 18.04 and perhaps minimal too
[17:54] <VuurDraak> hi everybody, i started Ubuntu and out of the blue without installing new stuff, I get a black screen in the GUI, i initialy found an error concerning systemd and i --reinstall 'ed it as some files where missing, i purged the nvidia driver reinstalled it, reinstalled xserver-xorg & unity-control-center & gnome-control-center, cp back a previous working xorg.conf, but nothing seems to work and i can not realy see any erros in Xorg.0.log, anybody got
[17:54] <VuurDraak> any idea what other stuff X11 is depending on that i could try to reinstall ?
[17:55] <leftyfb> VuurDraak: what version of ubuntu did you install?
[17:56] <VuurDraak> 14.04 LTS
[17:56] <mDonchev_> lotuspsychje, what is minima?
[17:56] <nnrd> leftyfb I dont understand whats weird with my question? I have a lot of wierd certificates direct after my installation
[17:56] <mDonchev_> can I just setup more virtual memory here on my current installation
[17:56] <mDonchev_> I have it setup so well I dont want to do that again
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> mDonchev_: 18.04 and higher has now a minimal option during setup, saving spaces, so you can chosoe yourself what to install and whatnot
[17:57] <blackflow> nnrd: well your question makes no sense. it's not clear what you're asking about.
[17:57] <leftyfb> nnrd: what sort of "weird" certificates? Do you have examples?
[17:57] <blackflow> "certifications standard in mozilla firefox from scratch" -- what does that mean?
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> mDonchev_: as desktop environment, you need something very lightweight on 2g ram, whatever you choose
[17:58] <leftyfb> mDonchev_: you are limited by hardware. There is no workaround to get modern UI's to perform well on inadequate hardware resources. Either use a less resource intensive UI like lxde or xfce like suggestion or get new hardware
[17:58] <zeropoint> nnrd: Give an example, please?
[17:58] <leftyfb> blackflow: the default CA's installed with firefox
[17:58] <blackflow> btw firefox has no CAs on its own if thats what you're asking. there's ca-certificates package that from the mozilla project and it provides all the mozilla trusted CAs
[17:58] <blackflow> leftyfb: ca-certificates ones? the CAs?
[17:59] <leftyfb> I  assume that is what they are referring to. I'd like to hear of examples from them.
[18:03] <VuurDraak> if i do a 'do-release-upgrade' will ubuntu notice broken stuff and attempt to repair it ? as i need to upgrade to 18.04 anyway, or will anything broken now stay broken ?
[18:04] <leftyfb> VuurDraak: it will more likely not end well
[18:04] <VuurDraak> as i have no idea what is broken atm
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> VuurDraak: we strongly advice before upgrading, to fix broken things
[18:06] <VuurDraak> i cant see anything that is wrong, maybe others see it: https://pastebin.com/XtzSu1Me
[18:06] <VuurDraak> its the Xorg.0.log
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> VuurDraak: the important part for upgrading is having a clean apt, without errors
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> VuurDraak: pastebin us: uname -a && lsb_release -a && sudo lshw -C video please?
[18:15] <VuurDraak> i cant im in windows atm
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> VuurDraak: cant enter ubuntu anymore?
[18:16] <ioria> VuurDraak, what's the problem exactly ?
[18:16] <VuurDraak> i have to boot for that and im currently downloading the 18.04 iso
[18:16] <VuurDraak> i can get in the cli
[18:16] <VuurDraak> just the gui stays black
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> VuurDraak: you consider a 18.04 fresh install then?
[18:17] <ioria> VuurDraak, and you cannot login in the GUI ?
[18:17] <VuurDraak> but im atm using ubuntu 14.04 lts 64bit
[18:17] <VuurDraak> with nvidia geforce 1060 gtx with 415 driver
[18:17] <VuurDraak> the gui only stays black so i can nopt do anything from the gui
[18:18] <ioria> VuurDraak, logged in tty atm ?
[18:18] <VuurDraak> i reinstalled systemd, xserver-xorg, unity-control-center, gnome-control-center & nvidia-415 packages but nothing helps
[18:19] <VuurDraak> no im in windows
[18:19] <ioria> there is no systemd on trusty
[18:19] <VuurDraak> there is
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> oO
[18:19] <VuurDraak> i noticed a missing file in the error log
[18:19] <VuurDraak> systemctl
[18:19] <blackflow> there is but it's not installed by default
[18:19] <blackflow> that btw is very too old systemd. a festival of bugs too.
[18:20] <ioria> VuurDraak, well, if you want to do something,you need to boot the linux box
[18:20] <VuurDraak> well the error lofg was complaining it could not find systemctl since that is part of systemd i installed it after searching online
[18:20] <ioria> wrong
[18:20] <blackflow> ideally you shouldn't be using systemd in trusty. upgrade to a newer ubuntu where systemd is default and well integrated.
[18:20] <VuurDraak> maybe but i could not find any other thing that pointed to a problem
[18:21] <ioria> VuurDraak, you probably broke your system
[18:21] <VuurDraak> its also weird as previously the OS runned just fine, i started it again later and poof, no more gui
[18:21] <VuurDraak> so it broke without me doing anything
[18:22] <ioria> VuurDraak, again, if you want to do something,you need to boot the linux box
[18:22] <VuurDraak> i guesse something random is corrupted by i have no clue what
[18:22] <blackflow> wait, is this WSL?
[18:22] <VuurDraak> i can not chat and be in linux atm
[18:22] <ioria> VuurDraak, yes, you can
[18:22] <VuurDraak> im first going to make an 18.04 boot usb stick
[18:23] <ioria> VuurDraak,  yo uopen another tty, install weechat (or another text chat app)
[18:23] <VuurDraak> what cli irc client is there to install :) ?
[18:23] <ioria> ^
[18:24] <ioria> or irssi
[18:25] <blackflow> irssi ftw
[18:27] <VuurDraak> k thanks
[18:28] <bwailer> hello.  A friend and I are using a server at my house but we can not get him to be able to connect from his house
[18:29] <xamithan> check the firewall
[18:30] <bwailer> Firewall on server or computer?
[18:30] <bwailer> there is no firewall set up on the server
[18:31] <tomreyn> bwailera network firewall rather. you may need to setup port forwarding on your router
[18:32] <bwailer> I have set up port forwarding on the router.  We have all the credentials.  He is using Putty to try to get in but hostname/ip address is what is holding us up
[18:33] <zeropoint> Is it connecting at all?
[18:34] <xamithan> "holding us up"  Can he telnet to the port
[18:34] <bwailer> I honestly do not have the answer to that question.
[18:34] <tomreyn> bwailer: this returns your (your routers') WAN / public / external / internet ip address (which may change over time) https://ipv4.myip.info/
[18:35] <blackflow> there could also be ISPs firewalls in effect
[18:35] <xamithan> Possibly,  kind of rare depending on port
[18:35] <johnnyfive> Howdy! I'm trying to recreate a flat-file repository using an absolute Suite Component entry in my sources.list, however in Bionic i've started to receive the "W: Conflicting distribution:" error due to bionic now trying to match the release to the codename in the Release file
[18:35] <VuurDraak> using a weird port should not get blocked by an isp
[18:36] <zeropoint> Some ISPs block well-known ports.
[18:36] <zeropoint> A former ISP of mine blocked 80/tcp inbound.
[18:36] <JimBuntu> zeropoint, yup, some block most anything < 1024
[18:36] <blackflow> my ISP blocks all incoming SYN packets. I chose that, btw.
[18:36] <johnnyfive> is there a way around this? Or what's the canonical way to create a flat file repository for Bionic? I've determined I can get around the error by changing the "Codename" to "main/" in my Release file, but i'm not 100% sure of the affects of that
[18:36] <VuurDraak> yeh use a port 1024+
[18:36] <zeropoint> JimBuntu: I've never encountered one THAT bad, but I'm sure there are.
[18:36] <maxLeet`> hi all, updated my system yesterday and now im having resolv issues. seems like ipv6 is set to default but netplan isn't working. I manually set my resolv.conf but every network command gives me an connection time out error.
[18:37] <bwailer> when I try not on my network I get "Server unexpectedly closed network connection"
[18:38] <tomreyn> johnnyfive: can you show the config you have there?
[18:38] <johnnyfive> which config do you want to look at? apt.conf used for apt-ftparchive, or the Release file, or the sources.list?
[18:38] <tomreyn> bwailer: which service is it you're trying to make accessible. or which protocol is spoken there?
[18:39] <johnnyfive> tomreyn, or all of the above
[18:39] <kinghat> to install a new theme on ubuntu you have to use gnome tweaks tool?
[18:39] <zeropoint> bwailer: Are you forwarding the correct port to the correct internal address? There are a ton of things this could be.
[18:39] <kinghat> there isnt a native UI for switching themes?
[18:39] <tomreyn> johnnyfive: hmm, actually i'm not familiar with apt-ftparchive. could you ask in #ubuntu-server instead ?
[18:40] <johnnyfive> tomreyn, yea, didn't know that existed. Thanks
[18:40] <tomreyn> yw
[18:40] <bwailer> tomreyn, I am trying to give him full access as we are trying to work together. And honestly I am confused with the protocal.
[18:41] <JimBuntu> bwailer, as in SSH ?
[18:41] <VuurDraak> kinghat: cant you switch themes from the standard options thingy ? Where you can also tweak the screen saver etc ?
[18:41] <tomreyn> bwailerfull access meaning ssh access and root access?
[18:41] <tomreyn> bwailer: full access meaning ssh access and root access?
[18:41] <bwailer> zeropoint. I am forwarding on port 80.  when he tries to sign in with the public ip it still does not work
[18:41] <zeropoint> bwailer: That isn't SSH...
[18:42] <bwailer> I can ssh from my home network but not out of my home network
[18:42] <zeropoint> SSH defaults to port 22.
[18:42] <JimBuntu> bwailer, Note: Port 80 is the MOST common port to be blocked by ISPs.
[18:42] <zeropoint> Also that.
[18:42] <bwailer> I can SSh into it from my home network
[18:42] <blackflow> and port 25. they hate it.
[18:42] <xamithan> Why you sshing to the http port?  so strange
[18:43] <kinghat> VuurDraak: i dont usually use ubuntu proper, but ubuntu/kde. i dont know what you are talking about.
[18:43] <xamithan> Probably need to change it if you want it to work outside network
[18:43] <zeropoint> bwailer: Your client is using port 22 by default. If you've forwarded the wrong port, then it won't work.
[18:43] <bwailer> JimBuntu you think I should change port?  What advice on a port do you have
[18:44] <zeropoint> Port 22 is the default and well-known SSH port.
[18:44] <bwailer> zeropointwe have tried port 22 as well as 8-
[18:44] <zeropoint> You've forwarded 80. Port 22 won't do anything from outside.
[18:44] <zeropoint> Until you forward it correctly.
[18:44] <VuurDraak> kinghat: i got it in my side bar so idk how to search for it in the dash maybe 'option' ? but I can open 'options' for ubuntu, where all kind of stuff is located, for network, keyboard screensaver etc , i thought one of the options you could alter the them, but not sure as im not in ubuntu atm
[18:44] <JimBuntu> bwailer, I would suggest using a port above 1024. They are simply less common to be blocked.
[18:44] <blackflow> (and attacked by bots)
[18:44] <bwailer> JimBuntu.  I will give it a try
[18:44] <tomreyn> bwailer: can you confirm that you are trying to have your friend ssh into the server? because i dont think you did, yet.
[18:45] <zeropoint> (the security risk of which is next to zero)
[18:45] <JimBuntu> blackflow, yes , very much so!
[18:45] <bwailer> tomreyn, yes we have been working on trying to get him in for days
[18:46] <zeropoint> Try forwarding port 2222 or something to port 22 internally. And he has to specify the port on the client side.
[18:47] <tomreyn> bwailer: maybe we talked about this yesterday. i was talking to someone and it took a while to find out who is trying to connect wher actually, and it turned out the server is actually a VM or VPS or dedicated server (don't remember) hosted with some company in a data center, directly connected to the internet. and not a home server at the persons' home, within their LAN. but i'm not sure this was you, or whethet his is really correct.
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> yeah bwailer was here yesterday too
[18:48] <bwailer> I doubt it was me.
[18:48] <VuurDraak> i created a 18.04 boot usb, i will first boot back to ubuntu 14.04 cli and install/start irssi brb o/
[18:48] <xamithan> Maybe ask for screenshots in those circumstances.  a ss -tulpn | grep sshd even
[18:48] <tomreyn> bwailer: okay, cool.
[18:48] <bwailer> I was here but I found no answers to get to where we want to be
[18:49] <tomreyn> bwailer: but you got a way forward now, right?
[18:50] <bwailer> Tomreyn, I changed my port and still can not connect from a different networl
[18:51] <tomreyn> bwailer: where did you "change [your] port"?
[18:51] <JimBuntu> bwailer, /var/log/auth.log  Does it show connect attempts? What about a tcpdump of the port in question? Router logs?  Need to figure out where it's failing.
[18:52]  * JimBuntu will leave it to tomreyn - You are in great hands bwailer 
[18:52] <bwailer> tomrey,  I changed it on my router
[18:52] <tomreyn> bwailer: so, first of all, just to be sure, the server your friend is trying to access is in your home, right?
[18:52] <bwailer> JimBuntu I will try that
[18:52] <VuurDraak> hellu :)
[18:53] <bwailer> tomreyn, yes it is.  It is in my bedroom
[18:54] <tomreyn> bwailer: ok. when you changed the port in your router, you may have been able to specify both an inbound (WAN / Internet) and an internal (LAN / your home network) port. did you have this option? if so, did you set the same or different ports there?
[18:54] <xamithan> Are you sure you aren't double NAT'd ?  Like you got a cable modem that does wifi
[18:54] <xamithan> Then another router
[18:55] <bwailer> Tomreyn, yes I changed both to the same thing
[18:55] <VuurDraak> is it posible to copy a text file to a past bin thingy from the CLI inside ubuntu :') ?
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> !pastebinit | VuurDraak
[18:55] <tomreyn> bwailer: okay can you say which port this is, or do you prefer not to (either is fine)
[18:55] <blackflow> VuurDraak: cat <that file> | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:56] <bwailer> Tomreyn it is at 1125
[18:56] <n3tburst> hello, i borked up my install and now i cannot boot into live usb anymore
[18:56] <n3tburst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1798171
[18:57] <tomreyn> bwailer: okay, so you have internet originated traffic to your WAN / router port 1125 forwarded to your server in your LAN, on the same port, so 1125 there, too. now you'd need to make sure that something actually listens on this port, too.
[18:57] <n3tburst> i tried to copy /EFI/BOOT/grubx64.efi to /EFI/BOOT/mmx64.efi but no luck
[18:57] <hans_> after installing mysql-server then deleting it then installing mariadb-server then deleting it, then trying to install mysql-server again, this happens when i do: apt remove --purge mysql-server.* mariadb-server.* ; apt install mysql-server
[18:57] <hans_> ; gives me this http://paste.debian.net/plain/1068768
[18:57] <hans_> installing & uninstalling mariadb-server seems to have broken  the installation script for mysql-server
[18:57] <hans_> (18.04)
[18:57] <hans_> any idea how to fix it?
[18:58] <tomreyn> bwailer: you probably want to make the ssh server listen there, did you do this, yet? if not, yet, this gives us an oppportunity to test.
[18:58] <bwailer> Tomreyn, I do need to make sure someone is listening to this port
[18:59] <tomreyn> bwailer: can you run this on your server? nc -vv -l -p 1125
[18:59] <hans_> (just so we're clear, the installation for mysql-server worked fine until i installed & uninstalled mariadb-server )
[18:59] <VuurDraak> i was asked to do a uname lsb_release etc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/fqCGb3dCz8
[18:59] <tomreyn> bwailer: this is a small proigram which just opens this port and listens for incoming connections, reporting who is connecting and what they transfer.
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> VuurDraak: wrong link
[19:00] <hans_> tomreyn, so.. nc -vvvvv -l 9999   ? :p
[19:00] <tomreyn> hans_: similar ;)
[19:01] <bwailer> -it says command not found
[19:01] <VuurDraak> there needs to be an extra / behind the link
[19:01] <tomreyn> bwailer: hmm, what does "which nc" return?
[19:01] <VuurDraak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/fqCGb3dCz8/
[19:01] <bwailer> the server says -vv command not found
[19:02] <hans_> VuurDraak, think your link got corrupted.  > The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist.
[19:02] <VuurDraak> ow i misseed a /p/
[19:02] <tomreyn> bwailer: you seem to have missed "nc"
[19:03] <VuurDraak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fqCGb3dCz8/
[19:03] <tomreyn> bwailer: here's the command i suggested to run again:     nc -vv -l -p 1125
[19:03] <hans_> bwailer, what about `type nc` ?
[19:03] <VuurDraak> thats what u get when u need to retype stuff manulay :')
[19:03] <bwailer> sorry I will try again
[19:04] <tomreyn> bwailer: seem to work
[19:04] <VuurDraak> my problem is that i get a black screen/GUI and i can not see what is wrong in the log files
[19:05] <tomreyn> bwailer: so we have successfully tested connectivity from the internet to your server
[19:05] <bwailer> Tomreyn, how can i get that so my friend can get onto my server
[19:05] <bwailer> you are helping so much thank you
[19:05] <tomreyn> bwailer: now you need to make sure that your ssh server listens on this port, so that your friend can get a shell
[19:06] <tomreyn> bwailer: do you have a preferred in-terminal (non GUI) text editor?
[19:06] <bwailer> yes i do
[19:06] <bwailer> I basically use nano
[19:07] <tomreyn> bwailer: okay, run this then: sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:07] <tomreyn> don't midd the 'd' in sshd_config
[19:07] <tomreyn> don't miss the 'd' in sshd_config
[19:07] <hans_> huh, this fixed my mysql installation: apt remove --purge mysql-client.* mysql-common.* ;
[19:08] <bwailer> Tomreyn, I ran it and it shows me much stuff.
[19:08] <hans_> (then i was able to run `apt install mysql-server;`  without issues)
[19:08] <tomreyn> bwailer: then press ctrl-w to search for "Port"
[19:08] <tomreyn> bwailer: without the quotation marks
[19:09] <hans_> tomreyn, don't miss the `.` in rm -rf ./
[19:09] <tomreyn> bwailer: to find more hits, press ctrl-w again and just enter then
[19:09] <tomreyn> hans_: please don't post such commands here
[19:10] <VuurDraak> my xorg log is http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zxDQ2HGwkC/
[19:10] <bwailer> I am doing all of it but unfortunately it is confusing me
[19:10] <VuurDraak> i got no clue why i no longer see the gui buut get a black screen
[19:11] <tomreyn> bwailer: okay, we can try a different approach. you can quit the editor using ctrl-x, then n (to not save)
[19:11] <bwailer> cool, I did it
[19:11] <bwailer> well got out of nano
[19:12] <tomreyn> bwailer: run this and report the url:   grep -i 'port ' /etc/ssh/sshd_config | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:14] <bwailer> it is saying no such file or directory
[19:14] <tomreyn> bwailer: you mistyped, try again
[19:15] <bwailer> will do.
[19:15] <tomreyn> bwailer: how do you enter these commands i type here? can you not just copy + paste them?
[19:15] <grkblood13> For some reason when I type commands in the terminal window theyre now being underlined and Ican no longer tab to autocomplete the command. How do Iget rid of this?
[19:15] <tomreyn> it's a bit unsafe to do so but then if you trust me enough to not trick you there then you could just copy + paste them.
[19:16] <anjen> Is this Ubuntu channel the right channel where I might get some advise regarding proper installation of Ubuntu?'
[19:16] <tomreyn> anjen: generally, yes, this is a volunteer ubuntu support channel
[19:17] <tomreyn> grkblood13: try ctrl-c, then "reset"
[19:17] <anjen> tomreyn: thanks. I'll form my question and post. Much appreciated on the quick answer.
[19:17] <tomreyn> :)
[19:17] <OerHeks> grkblood13,  i think you have hit CTRL + u, do that again?
[19:17] <bwailer> i coppied and pasted and it just sent me back to enter more
[19:18] <tomreyn> bwailer: this would happen is you missed one of the single quotes (ticks)
[19:18] <grkblood13> neither are making it go away
[19:18] <tomreyn> bwailer: here's the command again:     grep -i 'port ' /etc/ssh/sshd_config | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:18] <tomreyn> bwailer: i ran it here and it runs fine
[19:18] <grkblood13> happens in a new terminal window too
[19:19] <tomreyn> grkblood13: hmm then i don't know exactly, this is strange. did you change the temrinal font by chance?
[19:19] <grkblood13> its not the font, its more than that
[19:20] <tomreyn> grkblood13: a screenshot might help
[19:20] <grkblood13> tabbing to autocomplete no longer works either
[19:20] <bwailer> ok it gave me http://termbin.com/b0on
[19:20] <grkblood13> I installed konqueror to test some stuff out
[19:20] <grkblood13> maybe it installed something
[19:21] <grkblood13> ok, uninstalling konqueror made it go away
[19:21] <grkblood13> must be some dependency program
[19:21] <grkblood13> maybe a KDE thing?
[19:21] <tomreyn> bwailer: very well. so does just copy pasting commands not work for you?
[19:21] <bwailer> yes sir
[19:22] <tomreyn> grkblood13: not sure, try asking in #kubuntu maybe
[19:22] <bwailer> sorry I was able to get the copy and paste to work for me
[19:22] <tomreyn> bwailer: great.
[19:23] <tomreyn> bwailer: now run this:  cp -p /etc/ssh/sshd_config{,-tomreyn_backup}
[19:24] <tomreyn> bwailer: we're creating a backup of your configuration file just in case
[19:24] <tomreyn> s/backup/copy/
[19:24] <tomreyn> it's a copy, not really a backup
[19:24] <coz_> hey all
[19:25] <bwailer> okay i did it
[19:25] <tomreyn> bwailer: does this seem to have worked, did it return with out any output?
[19:25] <bwailer> it did not show me anything different
[19:25] <bwailer> it returned without any output.
[19:25] <tmm88> heyho everyone
[19:25] <tomreyn> bwailer: now:    echo Port 1125 | tee -a /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:25] <tmm88> what's the equivalent of xdg-open / open -a Chrome . in ubuntu?
[19:25] <tomreyn> hi coz_ + tmm88
[19:26] <bwailer> when i enterit gave me port 1125ed that
[19:26] <tomreyn> bwailer: with a lower case P?
[19:26] <raidghost> what might be wrong here?
[19:26] <raidghost> https://imgur.com/a/SrfvCwg
[19:27] <tomreyn> bwailer: can you tell me exactly what the previous command returned, please.
[19:27] <tomreyn> raidghost: ask in ##hardware
[19:27] <bwailer> port 1125 is all it is giving me with lowercase p or the uppercase P
[19:28] <tomreyn> bwailer: well it has to be either "Port 1125" or "port 1125", can't be both, right?
[19:28] <zeropoint> I think he might have run it multiple times.
[19:29] <tomreyn> i'm sure bwailer would have told us if he ran it more than once, right?
[19:29] <bwailer>  echo Port 1125 | tee -a /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:29] <bwailer> Port 1125
[19:30] <tomreyn> bwailer: ok, now this:  tail -n3 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:30] <zeropoint> tomreyn: You might be sure. I'm not. Carry on.
[19:32] <bwailer>  now it is saying Port 1125
[19:32] <bwailer> and before that UsePam yes
[19:33] <dyc3_> I'm trying to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.2, but when I run `do-release-upgrade` I get `Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.` When I run `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` it says that `i3` and `i3-wm` are held back. I remember holding them back because I installed i3-gaps from source, so how do I do the release upgrade anyway?
[19:33] <tomreyn> bwailer: so two lines of output? also another empty line then?
[19:33] <bwailer> UsePAM yes
[19:33] <bwailer> Port 1125
[19:33] <bwailer> port 1125
[19:33] <bwailer> That was the output
[19:34] <zeropoint> Okay, let's try this again.
[19:34] <tomreyn> bwailer: okay, so you actually ran the earlier command twice.
[19:35] <bwailer> according to terminal it does not show it running twice
[19:35] <bwailer> I am totally baffled.
[19:36] <bwailer> basically I need to ip address and port for him to connect
[19:36] <tomreyn> bwailer: no problem we can recover from this. now just copy and paste this command to your server, don't type it, it will likely result in a mess:   sudo sed -i '/^port 1125$/d' /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:37] <tomreyn> bwailer: for now you need to put something up for him to connect to. so far he would not be able to connect.
[19:37] <tomreyn> this si what we're working on right now.
[19:39] <bwailer> i copied and pasted but gave me nothing
[19:39] <bwailer> Sorry that I a making this so difficult for you
[19:39] <tomreyn> bwailer: okay, now this:    tail -n3 /etc/ssh/sshd_config | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:40] <tomreyn> bwailer: i know this is surely not an easy work mode for you either. we'll be done soon
[19:40] <bwailer> this is the output https://termbin.com/4818
[19:41] <tomreyn> great
[19:41] <maxLeet`> hi all, im having a problem getting ipv4 enabled on ubuntu 18.04.
[19:41] <maxLeet`> every sinc i upgraded a couple of days ago. my system has been using ipv6
[19:42] <maxLeet`> but any software that was using ipv4 are broken now
[19:42] <tomreyn> bwailer: now this:   systemctl restart ssh
[19:43] <bwailer> Authentication complete is what it just gave me.
[19:43] <tomreyn> bwailer: good, and it worked out, too.
[19:44] <bwailer> For that part it seems so
[19:44] <tomreyn> bwailer: so your ssh server is now reachable from the internet on your public ip address, on port 1125
[19:44] <tomreyn> bwailer: i just tested
[19:44] <bwailer> Cool.  So know I just have to have him enter the public IP address and the 1125 and it will work
[19:44] <tomreyn> bwailer: you can now tell your friend that they need to connect to 69.146.251.175 on port 1125
[19:45] <tomreyn> bwailer: well, depends :)
[19:45] <bwailer> hahaha, Lets hope
[19:45] <tomreyn> bwailer: how is your friend going to login there?
[19:46] <tomreyn> using a user you created for them? or as root? and using a password, or an ssh authentication (public) key?
[19:46] <bwailer> Sweet.  It just worked for me.  I tried it off teatherphone and it is working.ing off my
[19:46] <tomreyn> so you ssh'd in from the internet basically, great
[19:46] <ioria> VuurDraak, still there ?
[19:47] <heap_> any idea how to fix that snap stuff
[19:47] <VuurDraak> yup
[19:47] <tomreyn> bwailer: if you want, answer these other questions i just asked, or just have your friend try now if you prefer
[19:47] <VuurDraak> copying files for if i need to do a fresh install
[19:47] <bwailer> tomreyn:  I really appreciate all of the help you have give me.
[19:47] <tomreyn> bwailer: you're welcome.
[19:47] <ioria> VuurDraak, on 14.04 atm ?
[19:47] <VuurDraak> yes in irssi
[19:48] <bwailer> I just asked him to try but it worked for me not on my network
[19:48] <ioria> VuurDraak, open anothe tty and run   ps -A | head -2
[19:48] <leftyfb> jeeze bwailer you are still at this?
[19:48] <tomreyn> bwailer: so you logged in there as him?
[19:48] <leftyfb> bwailer: Is your friend really not capable of ssh'ing to a public ip using putty?
[19:49] <ioria> VuurDraak, please, highlight the nickname
[19:49] <tomreyn> leftyfb: this will yet have to show. i assume that so far there was no way for the friend to login
[19:49] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I was able to ssh to his public ip yesterday and got a login prompt
[19:49] <tomreyn> oh ok
[19:50] <leftyfb> Now ssh isn't open anymore
[19:50] <VuurDraak> ioria , i did the command
[19:50] <ioria> VuurDraak, paste the 2° line
[19:50] <leftyfb> bwailer: what did you change?
[19:50] <VuurDraak> 1 ? 00:00:01 init
[19:50] <leftyfb> ah, changed the port
[19:50] <tomreyn> leftyfb: we changed the WAN port, it is working now, listening on a different port
[19:51] <leftyfb> bwailer: ssh is working fine. I can ssh to your server no problem
[19:51] <bwailer> We got it worked out thanks to Tomreyn!  I tried to loging in using a different network. I used a hotspot on my phone that was not connected to the same network and it workded
[19:51] <leftyfb> bwailer: so your friend is able to ssh in now?
[19:51] <bwailer> yes he is
[19:51] <tomreyn> oh he tested already?
[19:51] <VuurDraak> sorry for not putting ioria in it
[19:52] <leftyfb> bwailer: next step, only allow ssh keys. NO passwords
[19:52] <bwailer> I will work on that.
[19:52] <ioria> VuurDraak, systemd is running ?   ps -A | grep systemd
[19:53] <leftyfb> bwailer: also, you still have 443 pointing directly to the login of your NAS, publicly.
[19:53] <bwailer> I need to fix a few things
[19:53] <leftyfb> an 8443 pointing to some other auth
[19:53] <leftyfb> ugh!
[19:54] <VuurDraak> ioria : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Jng4qrF23/
[19:54] <VuurDraak> can i copy the last line from the cli with the keyboard without a mouse ?
[19:54] <ioria> VuurDraak, broken link
[19:54] <bwailer> when trying to get onto the server you must have a login and password.  leftyfb are you able to do that?
[19:54] <VuurDraak> oww sorry its past not pastbin
[19:54] <ioria> VuurDraak, install gpm ; select and click the mouse button
[19:55] <leftyfb> bwailer: Ever heard of brute force attacks?
[19:55] <bwailer> yes I have, so is that what you did?  cause i am under the impression that is illegal
[19:56] <leftyfb> bwailer: someone breaking in doesn't care what is illegal. They will do it anyway.
[19:56] <VuurDraak> ioria , how can i copy what i select with the mouse ?
[19:57] <VuurDraak> left click ?
[19:57] <ioria> VuurDraak, when you select, it's copied
[19:57] <bwailer> well, I would assume the site would not allow anyone who tries to get into someone useless stuff without permission.
[19:58] <ioria> VuurDraak, you paste with the mouse click
[19:58] <VuurDraak> and how to past it ioria ?
[19:58] <ioria> ^
[19:58] <leftyfb> bwailer: someone can run a script to try all passwords and eventually get in. Or they could find an epxloit for your Netgear r6300v2 router and get in quicker. It's your network. Your choice.
[19:58] <VuurDraak> oww i get it now ioria http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xrvtpm2cFZ/
[19:59] <bwailer> you seem very slimy!!!
[20:00] <leftyfb> bwailer: I beg you, please get your friend to only use ssh keys to login, then look into a program like sshuttle which he can then use to login via ssh and access any resources on your network. That way you can close all other ports and be secure.
[20:00] <bwailer> I will be contacting Netgear right now
[20:01] <ioria> VuurDraak,   sudo service lightdm restart
[20:03] <zeropoint> bwailer: You don't really seem to understand what's being said, here. :/
[20:03] <VuurDraak> ioria  lightdm start/running, process 5867
[20:03] <VuurDraak> then it got black and after some time the cli came back
[20:03] <ioria> VuurDraak,   and what happens ?
[20:03] <ioria> i see
[20:04] <ioria> VuurDraak,   sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[20:04] <VuurDraak> 21:04 < ioria> VuurDraak,   sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[20:04] <VuurDraak> Failed to issue method call: Unit lightdm.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status lightdm.service' for details.
[20:05] <leftyfb> bwailer: netgear has nothing to do with securing your own network which you basically have wide open at the moment
[20:05] <VuurDraak> @ ioria
[20:05] <zeropoint> bwailer: Using SSH keys as opposed to passwords is far more secure. leftyfb is giving you very sound advice.
[20:05] <VuurDraak> sorry it copies it auto with an enter behind it
[20:06] <leftyfb> zeropoint: not to mention not port forwarding your router nand NAS webUI's to the internet
[20:06] <zeropoint> Oi, seriously?
[20:07] <leftyfb> bwailer: we're trying to help you. It's very possible someone has already broken in. It's guaranteed that someone has already tried or is in the process.
[20:08] <ioria> VuurDraak,   reboot; enter grub -> advanced option;  see if you have an 'upstart' item; if not 'esc'; press 'e' and add 'nomodeset' in the linux line
[20:08] <VuurDraak> u mean ad nomodeset after ro in the vmlinuz ?
[20:09] <leftyfb> bwailer: there are more secure ways of achieving what you and your friend are doing. I can help you with it if you like.
[20:09] <VuurDraak> ioria what you mean with upstart ?
[20:09] <VuurDraak> ioria 'upstart' some where in the grub command it is giving what u see when i press e ?
[20:09] <hggdh> bwailer: just for the record, on the machines I have open to the internet with SSH, I get continuous SSH break-in attempts, every second
[20:09] <tomreyn> leftyfb, zeropoint: it doesn't seem like bwailer wants you to help. or they're just AFK right now. i agree, all of these changes would be very advisable. but as long as it's not default passwords on these exposed services i guess it's as good / bad as any fifth ot tenth average internet user.
[20:10] <ravercult> hi
[20:10] <lucifer_> Hello
[20:10] <lucifer_> I have a question
[20:10] <ioria> VuurDraak,   in advanced options you might have 2 items : upstart and systemd ; pick upstart
[20:10] <ravercult> Me too
[20:10] <tomreyn> hi ravercult + lucifer_
[20:11] <VuurDraak> ioria , im not sure how to get in advanced options, is that also a letter i can press once i see the grub2 menu ?
[20:11] <ioria> VuurDraak,   from the grub menu
[20:12] <leftyfb> tomreyn: there are scripts/bots scanning the internet 24 hours a day looking for open ports and trying dictionaries of passwords. Some have exploits loaded that can get in almost instantly regardless of default passwords.
[20:12] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i'm fully aware of this.
[20:12] <VuurDraak> okay i take a look booting o7
[20:12] <ravercult> My question is the following: trying to run lamp on ubuntu, and was trying to test apache2. If I type in my browser the "localhost" I get the right result, but I'm searching for my public IP address, and when I type it in the browser it gives me a pop-up asking for username/password and also mentioning the model name of my router. What's going on?
[20:12] <lucifer_> I wanted to download a live usb creater for unbuntu and end up downloading something from internet. since i have installed it i can find it in search reuslts but not in apps directory. I am trying to open it, it asks for su password. When i enter password it just vanish. in my sear results it is names as "liveUSB install" I want to remove it but do not know how to remove it
[20:13] <leftyfb> tomreyn: bwailer was not. Unfortunately, they seem to have left and will continue to be open for exploitation.
[20:14] <ravercult> Can someone help me?
[20:14] <abdulhakeem> So I installed the ubuntu-desktop package on my ubuntu server in order to have a GUI, but then changed my mind and wanted to go back to terminal only. So I removed that package and got the server back to terminal only, except that now it goes into standby mode after like 30 mins of inactivity, which I don't want. How do I disable that?
[20:14] <OerHeks> ravercult, likely you found the ip of your router
[20:14] <rypervenche> ravercult: Your router is running something on that port. Also, port 80 is going to be blocked on your home network if you're trying to get to it from outside your network. I'd recommend using a non-standard port.
[20:15] <leftyfb> ravercult: you will not be able to access your public ip from your local network
[20:15] <OerHeks> www.whatismyip.com
[20:15] <rypervenche> ravercult: You'll also need to be sure that you set a port forwarding for whatever port you choose to work.
[20:15] <zeropoint> icanhazip.com returns only text.
[20:15] <ravercult> OerHeks are you dutch? :D
[20:16] <zeropoint> Not saying wimi.com is BAD.
[20:17] <leftyfb> ravercult: You'll need to test your port forwarding from a cellphone or tethered machine or a friend over the internet
[20:17] <ravercult> How do I do that?
[20:18] <leftyfb> ravercult: lets make this easier, if you're talking about the ip address you're on IRC with right now, there's no port 80 (http) listening on your public ip address
[20:19] <leftyfb> ravercult: That said, a lot of ISP's will not allow you to run a web server on residential internet services like your home
[20:19] <ravercult> leftyfb: Is there anything that can be done about that?
[20:19] <ravercult> I'm totally new to this
[20:20] <leftyfb> ravercult: why do you need to run a web server from your home ip out to the internet?
[20:20] <maxLeet`> anyone there to help me out a bit.
[20:20] <Ben64> ravercult: get a cheap vps to play with instead of potentially getting your computer more vulnerable
[20:20] <leftyfb> maxLeet`: disable ipv6
[20:20] <maxLeet`> leftfb: is that the only way?
[20:21] <tonyt> if you want to run a webserver on your home ISP service, spend a few extra bucks on a decent vpn. that will hide what ever you are doing from your home isp
[20:21] <leftyfb> maxLeet`: probably not. But it's the easiest,
[20:21] <Ben64> maxLeet`: can you explain what the issue is
[20:21] <Ben64> disabling ipv6 isn't a solution
[20:21] <ravercult> Oka
[20:21] <leftyfb> Ben64: of course it is. They never said they want to use ipv6 at all
[20:21] <zeropoint> Disabling IPv6 is not a solution.
[20:22] <zeropoint> Correcting your network configuration generally is.
[20:22] <Ben64> bingo
[20:22] <ravercult> So essentially what I do is stop fooling around and find a good host
[20:22] <ravercult> I was so excited that I could run my website from home :( lol
[20:22] <zeropoint> I say "generally" because the other option is "realize that IPv6 wasn't your issue to begin with."
[20:22] <zeropoint> A or B.
[20:22] <maxLeet`> Ben64: i upgraded 18.04 a couple of days ago and i cant get ipv4 to come up.. i tried configuring it manually but still nothing.
[20:23] <leftyfb> maxLeet`: are you sure you're not confusing the lack of ipv4 with the lack of network connectivity at all?
[20:23] <maxLeet`> Ben64: this is affecting some of my other programs because they are still using ipv4.
[20:23] <Ben64> maxLeet`: can you pastebin the output of ifconfig
[20:23] <maxLeet`> leftyfb: lack of network connectivity?
[20:24] <Ben64> maxLeet`: also, do you know the details of your home network, like network range, gateway address, etc
[20:24] <maxLeet`> Ben64: Command not found
[20:24] <ioria> net-ttols
[20:24] <ioria> net-tools; but ip a is good
[20:24] <Ben64> oh
[20:24] <leftyfb> Ben64: Ubuntu 18.04 does not include ifupdown
[20:25] <ioria> maxLeet`, paste  'ip a'
[20:25] <zeropoint> net-tools has been deprecated for ages.
[20:25] <ioria> but still there
[20:25] <Ben64> old habits
[20:25] <ioria> !info net-tools
[20:25] <maxLeet`> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
[20:25] <maxLeet`>     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
[20:25] <maxLeet`>     inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
[20:25] <maxLeet`>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[20:25] <Ben64> please not here
[20:26] <Ben64> use a pastebin
[20:26] <maxLeet`>     inet6 ::1/128 scope host
[20:26] <maxLeet`>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[20:26] <maxLeet`> 2: eno1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
[20:26] <zeropoint> ioria: Just because it's still there doesn't mean you shouldn't encourage people to move to the current tools.
[20:26] <zeropoint> Doh.
[20:26] <ioria> zeropoint, i did not
[20:26] <leftyfb> I prefer ifconfig to ip a. It's much easier to read
[20:27] <zeropoint> Fine, but it's not installed by default for a reason. Please remember that.
[20:27] <ioria> sure
[20:27] <Ben64> yeah ip needs some formatting
[20:29] <tomreyn> !paste | maxLeet` you may talk again now, but read this
[20:34] <maxLeet`> so 'nc termin.com' command not returning links over to me.
[20:34] <ioria> nc termbin.com 9999
[20:34] <xamithan> probably because you typed the address wrong
[20:34] <maxLeet`> ioria: tried. nothing returned.
[20:35] <ioria> maxLeet`, ip a | nc termbin.com 9999    ; no url ?
[20:35] <maxLeet`> ioria; nope
[20:36] <ioria> maxLeet`, ll /bin/nc
[20:36] <maxLeet`> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jul 25  2018 /bin/nc -> /etc/alternatives/nc*
[20:37] <tomreyn> standard
[20:37] <ioria> maxLeet`,  sudo apt install pastebinit
[20:38] <maxLeet`> ping -6 termbin.com doesnt work but ping -6 www.termbin.com works
[20:38] <leftyfb> ioria: I think pastebinit comes preinstalled on ubuntu 18.04
[20:38] <ioria> leftyfb, idt so
[20:39] <ioria> leftyfb, http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.2/ubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.manifest
[20:41] <anton_> hello everyone
[20:41] <tomreyn> hi anton_
[20:41] <maxLeet`> had to manually create this one via browser: https://pastebin.com/5uCduVCa
[20:42] <maxLeet`> ip a: https://pastebin.com/F5iQsNYZ
[20:43] <ioria> maxLeet`, ok, and what's the problem ?
[20:43] <tomreyn> oops, neither termbin.com nor paste.ubuntu.com has an AAAA record.
[20:44] <afx_> Hello everyone ! I have installed atom.io through snap and now I am getting this error git-remote-keybase error: (1) keybase isn't running; try `run_keybase`, when trying to push to keybase autogit repo. Could that be cause of the snap container not giving access to this repo . Or maybe some env vars missing from a snap packaged software ?
[20:44] <maxLeet`> ioria: im trying to get ipv4 to work. i tried to configure it manually but its not taking the static address and configs ive setup.
[20:44] <afx_> keybase is definetely running and run_keybase does not make a difference
[20:44] <Guest4421> hello
[20:45] <Ben64> maxLeet`: also, do you know the details of your home network, like network range, gateway address, etc
[20:45] <ioria> maxLeet`, ^ that
[20:45] <maxLeet`> Ben64: ipv4 yes. ipv6 more or last (but this one is working)
[20:45] <ioria> maxLeet`,  and what are you using ? Network-manager ? statis netplan config ?
[20:46] <maxLeet`> more or less*
[20:46] <Ben64> maxLeet`: ok so what are the details
[20:46] <maxLeet`> ioria: i thing Network-manager is depreciated or im trying to work with netplan but the configurations ive made arent working.
[20:47] <maxLeet`> Ben64: ipv4 or ipv6?
[20:47] <ioria> maxLeet`,  NM it's not depreciated
[20:47] <maxLeet`> Ben64: ill paste my configs
[20:47] <dannyjazz_> ubuntu 18.4 I cannot access utilities
[20:47] <ioria> maxLeet`,  better to paste /etc/netplan/*.yaml
[20:47] <maxLeet`> ok
[20:48] <tomreyn> dannyjazz_: what are you trying to do, how do you know it's failing, which error messages are reported?
[20:48] <dannyjazz_> trying to set a bluetooth device nothing happens
[20:48] <dannyjazz_> I click in the top right corner, I see the untilities icon, when I click on it nothing happens
[20:49] <maxLeet`> ioria: https://pastebin.com/gXLf6h82 ... above command wasn't spaced out well.
[20:50] <azrael_> anyone else have an issue with NV Drivers 4.10 on 18.10 where X will only start after you flick between tty1 to tty2 and back a few times before it starts ?
[20:50] <ioria> maxLeet`, what is ? a server edition ?
[20:51] <maxLeet`> ioria: yes
[20:51] <ioria> maxLeet`, backup 50-cloud-init.yaml
[20:51] <tomreyn> dannyjazz_: can you run this in a terminal - be sure to copy it exactly as given:    nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds; cat/proc/version /proc/cmdline; hcitool dev;)
[20:52] <tomreyn> dannyjazz_: if it works properly, it will return a web address, please paste (only) this address here.
[20:54] <tomreyn> dannyjazz_: sorry, i notice i had a typo in there, try this instead:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline; hcitool dev 2>&1 )
[20:56] <dannyjazz_> https://termbin.com/kbtg
[20:57] <lawltoad> hi, I just set up a frsh install of ubuntu 18.04 on a laptop with an nvidia card.
[20:58] <lawltoad> when i go into nvidia setting or propritary drivers it all shows nvidia is being used, but glxinfo | grep renderer gives me MESA DRI
[20:58] <tomreyn> dannyjazz_: okay, so your ubuntu 18.04 LTS system seems to be up to date, and it did detect a bluetooth device. are you using the default Gnome-Shell based desktop?
[20:58] <dannyjazz_> yes
[20:58] <dannyjazz_> gnome
[20:59] <tomreyn> dannyjazz_: so when you click on this menu with the network / sound /power icons top right, does it show a bluetooth icon in the menu that opens?
[21:00] <nnrd> Is it standard to have a Windows Network in "Other Locations? I have no windows network in my home.
[21:02] <tomreyn> nnrd: i think it's by default in case you do have such a network and would like to search for available resources in it.
[21:02] <dannyjazz_> yes it shows icon and I guess it helped me find out how it works
[21:02] <CarlFK> anyone know of a  #openoffice chan to ask about spread sheet formulas?  like can I reference a sheet by position and not name?
[21:02] <JimBuntu>  try this /msg alis list openoffice
[21:02] <tomreyn> dannyjazz_: alright, if you have more questions about this, just ask.
[21:03] <tomreyn> CarlFK: also please note we only support libreoffice here, which is what ubuntu ships with.
[21:04] <nnrd> tomreyn thank you very much!
[21:04] <CarlFK> tomreyn: #libreoffice is a thing, thanks
[21:04] <tomreyn> lawltoad: did you reboot (or restart X) since enabling the proprietary drivers?
[21:05] <lawltoad> Yea, like twice
[21:05] <tomreyn> nnrd: you're welcome. by the way i also run 18.04.2 and don't have a service supporting these protocols installed and it still shows up for me in nauilus, so this is probably just to be ignored.
[21:06] <tomreyn> CarlFK: you're welcome.
[21:06] <tomreyn> lawltoad: okay, thern it sounds more complicated, and i'll not try to help.
[21:06] <lawltoad> tomreyn, it's a laptop soI don't know the current state of the whole optimus/bumblebe stuff
[21:06] <lawltoad> haha
[21:06] <lawltoad> Q_Q
[21:06] <tomreyn> yeah, sorry, i dont like nvidia, to me you bought the wrong hardware.
[21:07] <tomreyn> maybe somenoe else will help
[21:13] <lawltoad> It used to be the better choice, haha. These things sift back and forth every two years -_-
[21:14] <maxLeet`> ioria: im i suppose to do anything after ive backed up the *.yaml configs?
[21:16] <qwebirc77950> Hello! I have a problem, my only way to install Ubuntu is a 1GB USB. As recent versions are larger than 1GB, I tried to download v12.04.5 and then upgrade, but it does not seems to works and crash everytime. Is trying to download an older version a bad idea?
[21:17] <lawltoad> tomreyn, weird prime-select  query also returns nvidia ... but just nto glxgears
[21:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc77950: trying to install any unsupported version is a bad idea
[21:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc77950: at least when this system has or will have any network connection
[21:18] <qwebirc77950> Well yes, but I don't really have any choice because I can't go higher than 1GB :/
[21:19] <tomreyn> qwebirc77950: which kind of network connections does this system have? ethernet? wireless? both?
[21:19] <qwebirc77950> Wireless
[21:20] <tomreyn> qwebirc77950: so you couldn't attach it to a wired network even when you wanted?
[21:21] <qwebirc77950> I can't right now, no
[21:22] <tomreyn> qwebirc77950: the reason i'm asking is because with 1 GB storage on the usb stick, you you still install ubuntu server, then install the desktpo from there. but this would require a network connection. and i'm not sure whether the server supports wireless network connections out of the box.
[21:22] <tomreyn> i'm trying to determine this now.
[21:24] <qwebirc77950> So I should try to download Ubuntu Server to then download the desktop? (If wireless works, of course)
[21:25] <tomreyn> qwebirc77950: it's something you can give a try, yes
[21:25] <leftyfb> qwebirc77950: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[21:25] <tomreyn> leftyfb: so the mini.iso does support wireless?
[21:26] <qwebirc77950> I will try this, thanks
[21:26] <leftyfb> that I'm not sure to be honest
[21:26] <leftyfb> worth a shot
[21:26] <leftyfb> it's a 70M iso, it'll take a few minutes to test
[21:26] <tomreyn> i'd rather expect the server to, just for the larger image size. but not sure either
[21:26] <leftyfb> qwebirc77950: any way to could plug in ethernet?
[21:27] <tomreyn> i asked this before
[21:27] <qwebirc77950> Nope, sorry :/
[21:28] <Ben64> get a bigger usb
[21:28] <leftyfb> qwebirc77950: got another pc/laptop/pi that can connect via wifi and share ethernet?
[21:28] <tomreyn> wpasupplicant is not installed by server
[21:29] <qwebirc77950> Nope, I can't have ethernet at all now
[21:30] <leftyfb> qwebirc77950: do you have another computer with wireless and an ethernet port and a cable?
[21:30] <tomreyn> i meant to say: wpasupplicant is not installed by the alternative server installer (d-i)
[21:31] <qwebirc77950> I have a PC with wireless connection but not a cable
[21:31] <pi0> i downloaded youtube videos how do i get a preview icon to show instead of a generic video icon
[21:31] <leftyfb> qwebirc77950: what about a local convenience store? They usually have flash storage for pretty cheap
[21:32] <qwebirc77950> When launching with mini.iso, it says "Failed to open \EFI\BOOT\grubx64.efi - Not Found"
[21:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc77950: how did you put the mini iso onto your flash drive?
[21:33] <qwebirc77950> Hmm yeah, it would be better without it but if there's no solution I'll do this
[21:33] <leftyfb> pi0: That is not a feature of nautilus
[21:33] <qwebirc77950> I used Rufus
[21:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc77950: on Windows or ubuntu?
[21:33] <qwebirc77950> Windows
[21:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc77950: try etcher.io
[21:34] <qwebirc77950> I will try, thanks
[21:34] <qwebirc77950> https://www.techspot.com/downloads/6931-etcher.html Is this the right software?
[21:35] <leftyfb> qwebirc77950: http://etcher.io
[21:35] <pi0> nautilus?
[21:35] <qwebirc77950> Oh. Yeah lmao. Thanks
[21:35] <leftyfb> pi0: the default file manager in ubuntu
[21:36] <pi0> do you know what the feature is called so i can enable
[21:36] <leftyfb> pi0: again, that is not a feature that exists in nautilus, AFAIK
[21:36] <OerHeks> pi0, there is no howto to see a preview else than a tumbnail picture
[21:37] <leftyfb> pi0: you could convert the videos to mp4 or something and you'll get thumbnails
[21:37] <OerHeks> so that youtube may be old or not suitable for linux?
[21:37] <pi0> do you have the how to?
[21:37] <OerHeks> what howto ?
[21:38] <leftyfb> oh, youtube-dl does download in mp4 now
[21:38] <leftyfb> it should work
[21:38] <pi0> i used that
[21:38] <OerHeks> if nautilus browses over network to a nas/server, you don't want those icons, they slow down transfer dramaticly
[21:39] <leftyfb> pi0: open nautilus and click the 4 little squares in the top right
[21:39] <leftyfb> pi0: hit CTRL+ to make them bigger
[21:39] <mint__> Linux Mint apps With Ubuntu Packages
[21:40] <leftyfb> !mint | mint__
[21:40] <pi0> i can see the generic icons
[21:40] <leftyfb> pi0: mind you, I'm not sure if this works with whatever filemanager Ubuntu Mate uses (assuming you're running Ubuntu mate on that raspberry pi of yours )
[21:41] <mint__> ls /
[21:42] <pi0> :) let me check
[21:42] <leftyfb> mint__: we do not support Mint here. Please go to #linuxmint-help
[21:42] <pi0> ah dconf hack
[21:43] <dyc3_> I'm trying to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04.2, but when I run `do-release-upgrade` I get `Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.` When I run `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` it says that `i3` and `i3-wm` are held back. I remember holding them back because I installed i3-gaps from source, so how do I do the release upgrade anyway?
[21:43] <leftyfb> dyc3_: you'll probably need to remove i3* in order to upgrade
[21:43] <OerHeks> dyc3_, they point to: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[21:44] <OerHeks> that might give some updates about upgrading too
[21:44] <ubuntu> ls /
[21:44] <leftyfb> ubuntu: what can we help you with?
[21:44] <leftyfb> dyc3_: apt-cache policy i3
[21:45] <leftyfb> dyc3_: what's the output of that? (please use pastebin)
[21:45] <pi0> nice thank leftyfb
[21:45] <Guest84350> initrd.img.old and vmlinuz.old
[21:45] <pi0> i took the risk of removing windows 10 from my surface pro 6
[21:45] <pi0> and jumped right in
[21:45] <leftyfb> Guest84350: what can we help you with?
[21:46] <qwebirc77950> It doesn't seems to work with Etcher, but I think I will do what you suggested first and will just buy another one, it will make everything much easier
[21:46] <blackflow> ask and run!
[21:46] <pi0> but scaling isnt working right
[21:47] <qwebirc77950> Thanks a lot for your help, have a good day/night!
[21:50] <pi0> i cant get percentage scaling to work
[21:50] <pi0> on ubuntu 18.10
[21:50] <pi0> 3.30 gnome
[21:51] <leftyfb> pi0: just to be clear, this is on a Microsoft Surface Pro table correct?
[21:51] <leftyfb> tablet*
[21:51] <FurretUber> After systemd updated, the following messages appeared on dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nxTMfSfms8/ Xubuntu 18.04, kernel version 4.18.0-15. Are they relevant?
[21:51] <pi0> yes
[21:51] <dyc3_> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/n9Jct3nf
[21:52] <leftyfb> dyc3_: that was not installed from the official ubuntu repos. You'll need to remove it and any other packages from that repo
[21:53] <Room-Elder> ALL rise
[21:53] <Room-Elder> you may be seated
[21:53] <leftyfb> Room-Elder: This is a support channel. Can we help you with something?
[21:54] <Room-Elder> got it
[21:58] <pi0> leftyfb: is there a setting i over looked
[21:58] <pi0> regarding not being able to scale in percentage
[21:58] <leftyfb> pi0: maybe check video drivers?
[22:06] <pi0> hmm how do i check video drivers if working correctly
[22:07] <OerHeks> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[22:08] <dyc3_> leftyfb: I've uninstalled the i3 and i3-wm packages but I'm still getting the same message from `do-release-upgrade`
[22:09] <leftyfb> dyc3_: apt-cache policy i3 i3-wm | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:10] <pi0> thank you let me try
[22:10] <dyc3_> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/jjd6
[22:11] <leftyfb> dyc3_: pastebin/termbin the output of: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:12] <pi0> driver not found
[22:13] <dyc3_> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/eLH3zKAd
[22:13] <OerHeks> pi0, maybe there is no driver, or you did not install one? and what is the first part, graphics card detail?
[22:14] <pi0> nothing showed
[22:14] <leftyfb> dyc3_: you're going to need to ppa-purge all of those PPA's and oher repos you have
[22:15] <dyc3_> leftyfb: ah ok, ill clean those up and try again
[22:19] <kreyren> How do i switch ubuntu on rolling (like debian) ? Using `sid` in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[22:19] <OerHeks> kreyren, not.
[22:19] <kreyren> what
[22:20] <leftyfb> kreyren: you don't. You upgrade when the latest is released
[22:20] <kreyren> it's debian based it should be possible switching on sid afaik
[22:20] <tomreyn> dyc3_: in case this is of use to you: before a release upgrade, i usually disable all PPAs myself first of all, then use https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages to detect packages i had installed form these PPAs, and either purge them (if not in ubuntu at all) or downgrade them to their ubuntu release version (if they are newer than what is available in ubuntu).
[22:20] <leftyfb> kreyren: if you want Debian's release cycle, you use debian
[22:20] <OerHeks> kreyren, no
[22:20] <kreyren> i want ubuntu on sid
[22:20] <OerHeks> i want the moon
[22:20] <kreyren> you have one already
[22:20] <zeropoint> kreyren: sid isnt a rolling release. Your premise is flawed.
[22:21] <kreyren> zeropoint: what is rolling release on debian then?
[22:21] <kreyren> buster?
[22:21] <zeropoint> Nonexistent.
[22:21] <tomreyn> dyc3_: then i do the release upgrade and once that is done, i check those PPAs i had on whether they still provide a newer / more suitable version than the new ubuntu release provides, and if that is the case,  re-enable them.
[22:21] <OerHeks> never knew debian has a rolling thingy
[22:21] <zeropoint> OerHeks: It doesn't.
[22:22] <kreyren> or it's unstable i think
[22:22] <kreyren> or like how do i get more recent versions?
[22:22] <kreyren> above cosmic
[22:22] <zeropoint> sid is the name for unstable.
[22:22] <kreyren> so using sid should be sufficient?
[22:22] <dyc3_> tomreyn: ah ok. I'll give it a shot
[22:23] <OerHeks> Kryptron_, the development version 19.04 ? i would not suggest that, unless you know what you are doing
[22:23] <zeropoint> kreyren: Its not designed for use. What are you actually after?
[22:23] <tomreyn> !latest | kreyren
[22:23] <kreyren> zeropoint: Expected secure system with 150 debian updates that ware released yesterday afaik
[22:24] <blackflow> pretty sure debian sid is rolling release. there are no release branches/tags/points/dates for it. packages get updated continuously.
[22:24] <kreyren> that is close to secure to my gentoo running CLIP OS, MUSQQ and PaX kernel patches
[22:25] <leftyfb> kreyren: then run something else.
[22:25] <zeropoint> blackflow: Its for testing and development. Its not a release.
[22:25] <blackflow> zeropoint: the release model is "rolling release" tho
[22:25] <kreyren> leftyfb: need backup OS to work on LFS and i want to go with ubuntu
[22:25] <Some_Person> Regardless, the idea of actually running sid... well, the term "here be dragons" comes to mind
[22:25] <VuurDraak> my internet decided to kill it self sorry everybody
[22:26] <zeropoint> sid is not a release, in Debian'sbown description.
[22:26] <leftyfb> kreyren: you will not get rolling releases with ubuntu. Period.
[22:26] <kreyren> leftyfb: sid is sufficient
[22:26] <leftyfb> kreyren: then run debian
[22:26] <OerHeks> or go back to gentoo?
[22:27] <kreyren> is apt able to compile? based on deb-src http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse ?
[22:27] <zeropoint> sid is for testing and development. It WILL break.
[22:27] <kreyren> breakage is expected and welcomed
[22:27] <blackflow> ubuntu LTS will break too
[22:27] <blackflow> like it did a few days ago when servers couldn't reboot due to a frakup in the kernel
[22:27] <kreyren> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:27] <blackflow> don't be so absolutist. software gets bugs.
[22:27] <zeropoint> blackflow: You arent being helpful.
[22:28] <leftyfb> kreyren: you can download source packages and compile them, yes
[22:28] <VuurDraak> what to do when ur gui is no longer working, and the last install program 'gpm' or somothing like that (mouse in cli) made it so that when you try to login to a tty you cant enter a password anymore on login cause somehow automatics enters are given and you cant type a password anymore :')
[22:28] <kreyren> zeropoint: he is, i have no problem with less stable system since i can make it stable
[22:28] <blackflow> sure I am. if kreyren wants to run debian sid, by all means, do so. nothing bad or wrong with it.
[22:28] <pi0> hmm
[22:28] <kreyren> leftyfb: more info?
[22:28] <pi0> shoot i dont know how to check my video drivers
[22:28] <blackflow> be aware that such software is _less_ tested, and that's all
[22:28] <zeropoint> kreyren: You cant even make sense, let alone stability.
[22:28] <kreyren> zeropoint: it makes sence to me?
[22:29] <leftyfb> kreyren: use apt source
[22:29] <Platonides> VuurDraak: boot from a different partition / live media
[22:29] <zeropoint> kreyren: Hardly a useful metric.
[22:29] <kreyren> leftyfb: Any benefit in compiling excluding security? is there any way to optimize it ?
[22:29]  * zeropoint moves on.
[22:29] <nshire> is it normal to get like 200kbps downloads from Launchpad? are those separate servers from the ones used the main ubuntu repository?
[22:29] <kreyren> 0,01% optimization counts
[22:30] <VuurDraak> Platonides, how to kill the program delete its executable i guess mmm
[22:30] <leftyfb> kreyren: it is not suggested to compile your own packages. Go for Gentoo or LFS if you want something like that
[22:30] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: try recovery mode
[22:30] <blackflow> kreyren: I wouldn't bother except to enable/disable a compile time config feature I nee
[22:30] <kreyren> leftyfb: i have gentoo and working on LFS i need backup OS -> i want ubuntu for that
[22:30] <blackflow> *need
[22:30] <tomreyn> !recover | VuurDraak
[22:30] <tomreyn> !recovery | VuurDraak
[22:30] <Platonides> if that will be a backup OS, wouldn't a stable one make more sense?
[22:30] <kreyren> blackflow: elaborate? any benefit in it? (excluding time needed to compile)
[22:30] <leftyfb> kreyren: Then you should know how to compile packages and read documentation
[22:31] <blackflow> kreyren: not much, that's the point
[22:31] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: ignore what ubottu told you *first*
[22:31] <VuurDraak> Platonides, i was logged in with a live usb boot stick, didnt think about searching for the offending program and simply deleting it, i forgot the exact program name, as somebody asked me to install it from this chat :D
[22:31] <kreyren> blackflow: 'much' ?
[22:31] <blackflow> kreyren: plus, unlike gentoo, you'll have hard time tracking upgrades.
[22:31] <blackflow> kreyren: well even gentoo admits that these days reocmpiling "for teh speeds" is no longer a thing.
[22:31] <VuurDraak> tomreyn, recovery mode doesnt work, as i get the same problem
[22:31] <dyc3_> leftyfb: Ok, do-release-upgrade is giving me a new error: "Your python3 install is corrupted. Please fix the '/usr/bin/python3' "
[22:31] <kreyren> i know, but 'not much' ? as i said 0,001% optimization counts
[22:32] <pi0> do you guys use atom?
[22:32] <leftyfb> kreyren: bottom line, what you're asking is beyond the scope of this channel.
[22:32] <blackflow> building from source is  useful when you need to enable or disable a compile-time option which isn't available otherwise. but for speed? nah
[22:32] <leftyfb> pi0: Not a support question
[22:32] <VuurDraak> tomreyn, as my first problem was a black screen in the gui
[22:32] <kreyren> leftyfb: noted
[22:32] <VuurDraak> tomreyn, but now i can not loggin in the cli even :')
[22:32] <leftyfb> dyc3_: apt-cache policy python3
[22:32] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: well recovery mode doesn't enter the gui
[22:32] <kreyren> blackflow: thanks
[22:32] <pi0> i was going to use that to modify my settings file
[22:32] <pi0> with syntax highlighting
[22:33] <pi0> i cant make sense of these files all the same color
[22:33] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: you could also do init=/bin/bash
[22:33] <VuurDraak> tomreyn, cant enter a password anymore when i login, so i cant get in the cli also now
[22:33] <dyc3_> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/f8rt
[22:33] <VuurDraak> i need to kill the offending program from a live usb boot
[22:33] <leftyfb> dyc3_: maybe try: sudo apt install --reinstall python3
[22:33] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: init=/bin/bash should still work.
[22:34] <kreyren> there is no sid-security on ubuntu?
[22:34] <leftyfb> kreyren: sid is debian. Please stop referring to it
[22:35] <dyc3_> leftyfb: do-release-upgrade gives the same result
[22:35] <kreyren> leftyfb: there seems to be packages in ubuntu sid
[22:35] <horus125> hey can i safely remove /boot/boot-repair
[22:35] <leftyfb> kreyren: there is no "ubuntu sid"
[22:35] <VuurDraak> tomreyn, i get a login screen in bash, but after i enter my username, i can not enter a password , cause automatic ,enters. are given since the <mouse in cli> program was insatlled at the password prompt, making sure i can not enter a proper password
[22:36] <kreyren> ah i see
[22:36] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: you don't have a login screen with init=/bin/bahs, you just get the sehll
[22:36] <tomreyn> * init=/bin/bash
[22:36] <kreyren> so i can use cosmic for packages and debian source of sid for security and gentoo for ck-kernel
[22:36] <leftyfb> dyc3_: ls -l /usr/bin/python3
[22:36] <VuurDraak> tomreyn, and how or when should i invoke that ?
[22:36] <leftyfb> kreyren: no. please stop
[22:36] <VuurDraak> from grub ?
[22:37] <kreyren> leftyfb: why?
[22:37] <leftyfb> kreyren: go troll elsewhere
[22:37] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: yes, it's an option you add to the 'linux' line
[22:37] <kreyren> i'm not trolling i'm solving an issue
[22:37] <dyc3_> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/anh2
[22:37] <leftyfb> kreyren: your "issue" is off topic here. good luck
[22:37] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: but if oyu're already booted into the chroot form a live cd this is probably not worth it now
[22:37] <blackflow> kreyren: you can't mix them like that. either use ubuntu, debian or gentoo.
[22:37] <hggdh> kreyren: if you are working with an issue in Ubuntu, then no problem. But please stop asking to mix different distributions
[22:38] <leftyfb> dyc3_: ls -l /usr/bin/python3.5
[22:38] <VuurDraak> im in windows atm watching a movie, as i could not do anything anymore with my internet down before :D
[22:38] <kreyren> blackflow: why not? Debian security should be compatible and i can compile gentoo kernel with ubuntu's sauce to make it work on ubuntu
[22:38] <dyc3_> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/m7pd
[22:38] <blackflow> kreyren: for the same reason you can't take a .deb file and install it on windows
[22:38] <VuurDraak> i came back in to wanr or explain why i didnt react anymore
[22:38] <hggdh> kreyren: please. Ubuntu is *based* in Debian, but it is not Debian.
[22:38] <leftyfb> kreyren: it's not. What you're asking/looking to do is unsupported and beyond the scope of this channel
[22:38] <kreyren> blackflow: windows != linux.. + you can using WSl
[22:39] <blackflow> kreyren: but it's the same PC so why can't you.   really, stop. you can't do it, period. try it and see for yourself.
[22:39] <kreyren> i'm asking why can't i use debian security packages on ubuntu?
[22:39] <OerHeks> just ignore it .. and move on to support :-D
[22:39] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: i see. well i can't choose between videos and fixing ubuntu for you.
[22:39] <leftyfb> kreyren: It's not supported here.
[22:40] <kreyren> or is cosmic updated with recent release of debian security?
[22:40] <blackflow> kreyren: because they're compiled for different dependencies and versions
[22:40] <kreyren> blackflow: i see, ty helpful
[22:40] <kreyren> blackflow: if i satisfy those dependencies will it work?
[22:40] <leftyfb> :/
[22:40] <blackflow> in theory yes, but when you satisfy them, you'd essentially turn your ubuntu into debian.
[22:40] <hggdh> kreyren: last time. Not on-topic
[22:41] <kreyren> blackflow: ty
[22:41] <VuurDraak> tomreyn, i have been trying to fix this for 15+ hpurs
[22:41] <kreyren> hggdh: sry i really needed an answer on that since it's on topic for my usage of ubuntu
[22:41] <VuurDraak> tomreyn, when the internet then also went down due to my isp f'ing around , i decided it was time to watch a movie sorry :)
[22:42] <leftyfb> kreyren: Using debian packages in ubuntu is not supported and is offtopic here. Good luck
[22:42] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: oh, that's really long. well, i can guide you for a bit if you want to.
[22:42] <hggdh> kreyren: as long as you stay with Ubuntu and Ubuntu *only*, no problem.
[22:42] <VuurDraak> thanks for trying to help though, i copied the init thingy, i will try again tomorow if i can fix this
[22:42] <tomreyn> VuurDraak: good plan.
[22:42] <tomreyn> + good luck
[22:42] <kreyren> hggdh: since debian is compatible with lots of functions in ubuntu i don't know why it's not on-topic assuming that i have experience with LFS to make gentoo kernel work on ubuntu which is what i want to do..
[22:43] <VuurDraak> you too thanks :)
[22:43] <kreyren> + i cant really ask elsewhere
[22:43] <hggdh> OK. I tried.
[22:43] <VuurDraak> have a good day all o/
[22:43] <leftyfb> kreyren: you're already in ##linu
[22:43] <leftyfb> ##linux *
[22:43] <leftyfb> saw that coming
[22:44] <pi0> is there a process explorer for linux
[22:45] <pi0> gui based like windows
[22:45] <dyc3_> leftyfb: in case you missed it: https://termbin.com/m7pd
[22:45] <leftyfb> pi0: there are several
[22:45] <pi0> with graphs in all
[22:45] <Platonides> pi0: you can use eg. gnome-system-monitor
[22:45] <leftyfb> dyc3_: I'm not sure what's wrong with your install. You're probably better off just installing 18.04 from scratch and restoring from backup.
[22:46] <OerHeks> !info htop
[22:46] <dyc3_> leftyfb: hmm ok. Thanks for your help
[22:46] <leftyfb> OerHeks: while htop is nice, it's not exactly "gui based like Windows"
[22:46] <hggdh> !info glances
[22:47] <hggdh> leftyfb: well, yes, not really graphical, either of them
[22:47] <OerHeks> oops, it must be gui based?
[22:47] <leftyfb> don't get me wrong, I'll take htop over anything else any day
[22:47] <pi0> how did you find out about all these gnome features
[22:48] <pi0> is there an actual gnome book?
[22:49] <tomreyn> pi0: neither htop nor glances are gnome related really.
[22:51] <Platonides> if glances is a cli tool, how is it that it depends on angular and javascript-common?
[22:52] <tomreyn> pi0: if you're wondering how to find software packages for a specific purpose, you could use "apt search 'something_you_are_looking_for'"
[22:52] <OerHeks> instal synaptic, a much more detailed softwarecenter
[22:53] <tomreyn> Platonides: not directly, maybe indirectly? https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/glances
[22:53] <pi0> thank you gotta reboot updates
[22:53] <pi0> one sec
[22:54] <tomreyn> Platonides: not indirectly either, not on ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS anyways
[22:54] <Platonides> hmm, let me see, I was checking on a debian machine
[22:56] <Platonides> seems a weird debian thing
[22:58] <tomreyn> someoner did
[22:59] <tomreyn> nice, they have a frankendebian factoid :)
[22:59] <tomreyn> oops, wrong channel, sorry
[23:18] <fkl> What gui app will allow me to edit a pdf file?
[23:18] <fkl> I just need to delete several pages within that docment.
[23:18] <Platonides> it's not a gui app, but stapler will do it easily
[23:18] <cim209> fkl: try www.photopea.com
[23:19] <OerHeks> fkl, libre office could do that, annotate
[23:19] <OerHeks> and edit/delete pages
[23:19] <OerHeks> * unless that pdf is protected, i guess
[23:21] <palomar> ubuntu is a great opsys - thank you all!!
[23:21] <dyc3_> where can I find the repo for `do-release-upgrade`? Is it the `ubuntu-release-upgrader` package?
[23:25] <dyc3_> nvm, i found it
[23:25] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core update-manager # according to the manual
[23:31] <dyc3_> leftyfb: I fixed it, /usr/bin/python must be symlinked to /usr/bin/python2
[23:42] <thaurwylth> How about this? https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/02/04/%23xubuntu.html#t22:30
[23:44] <OerHeks> old 32b VIA (former Cyrix) models?
[23:44] <OerHeks> if you want to find out, just run xubuntu in live mode?
[23:46] <thaurwylth> Well, I do have a VIA Centaur M7, I think. But I guess that's not the point. The point was more that whether the processor does need to support certain protocols (flags in the /proc/cpuinfo, if you will) to run current versions of Ubuntu, or Xubuntu. I'm pretty sure that running it on a live format is going to be painfully slow, so I'll try to avoid it as long as possible, hehehe.
[23:47] <OerHeks> it will give an indication.. slow or not
[23:47] <thaurwylth> Okeys...
[23:50] <thaurwylth> Anyways, I noticed that my i7-4600U has about five times more flags than the old 32b Centaur, so I just started to think that maybe some of those flags would represent crucial new technologies for compatibility.
[23:52] <FurretUber> After systemd updated, the following messages appeared on dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nxTMfSfms8/ Xubuntu 18.04, kernel version 4.18.0-15. Are they relevant?
[23:52] <OerHeks> 64 bit, vt-x, and such ..
[23:54] <thaurwylth> Well, I guess that's why #ubuntu is a bitt off channel for this question, but on the other hand, that's what they suggested on #xubuntu. The fact of the matter is that the VIA M7 is a 32b processor, that is not going to change. And there is still a Xubuntu version available that supports 32b.
[23:54] <thaurwylth> Perhaps I won't ask about it more than that, then.