[00:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Bug 181663
[01:00] <OvenWerks> opps wrong one... Eickmeyer bug 1816673 has a commit
[01:02] <OvenWerks> At least the changelog is right...
[01:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Perfect. I'm testing the icon theme change, which took using the version of Papirus made for Elementary (still in the same package).
[01:33] <Eickmeyer> I'll mess with installer momentarily.
[01:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Installler looks good. Updating to fix committed.
[06:49] <sakrecoer> i see the images posted in telegram do not appear as links in irc.... that's a potential source of massive confusion..
[07:04] <sakrecoer> matrix seems to handle that a lot better, creating a link to a picture hosted on matrix.org
[07:07] <sakrecoer> the riot client for matrix is pretty clean. But it suffers the same thing as any chat: useless without users :D but it's defenitly less intimidating than IRC
 There's a way to do it with imgur that I just haven't implemented yet.
[15:17] <OvenWerks> IRC - "intimidating"??? one chat is the same as the next... I type, everyone else sees.
[15:17]  * OvenWerks fails to see any real difference from one chat to the next
[15:18] <OvenWerks> IRC is lowest common den. anyone can use it.
[16:19] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer: I just implemented the Imgur upload. Was a little tricky, had to get an API ID.
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> Images uploaded in Telegram now show up as imgur links in IRC.
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> There are things about commnity management that are pretty much constants: you have to have people to have community, and the more people you have, the messier it gets. Unfortunately, for any project needing people like ours, that means being accessible in more ways than one.
[19:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: there is a utility called keymon that might have come in handy... it would confirm the KB was working... which it was anyway.
[19:10] <OvenWerks> it seems that he needed to set the keyboard away from generic 105 to something with mm keys. then the shortcuts show up and can be changed. Maybe the default settings need to be changed in xfce though. I don't have one to play with too much, but it would be somewhere in the xfce code anyway I think.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, I don't have an Italian keyboard, so I'm not sure I would be much help either. Seems as though it has something to do with his specific keyboard.
[19:45] <OvenWerks> I think he was expecting pulse to adjust the actual alsa levels on his internal device as well. That won't happen
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[19:46] <OvenWerks> My particular take on alsa levels is that they should be set correctly and never changed after that except for physical knobs on preamps
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> He strikes me as a beginner. He was using KXStudio repos too, which I think messed him up a little.
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> That's my take too.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> yes... there are some people who are very quick to say "Install kxstudio"
[19:51] <OvenWerks> That does work well for some people.... but it does make removing it problematic if it doesn't suit someones needs
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> The people who are saying "Install KXStudio" aren't paying attention to what we've been doing.
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> I see it a lot in #opensourcemusicians
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> holstein, in particular, has said repeatedly that "Ubuntu Studio should be sunsetted".
[19:53] <OvenWerks> holstein left angry
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> Yep, and he's still bitter, even though things are much different now.
[19:54] <OvenWerks> he was suggesting things to many people based on old info and was asked to stop
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> Well, his biggest problem, at least last time I was talking in that channel, was that the documentation was outdated.
[19:56] <OvenWerks> prolly true...
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> It is, but how many of us have time to update it?
[19:56] <OvenWerks> documentation is not easy to keep up.
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> bbl, have to take the dog out.
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> Maybe documentation is something we can work on during feature freeze.
[20:04] <Eickmeyer> I mean, in addition to bug fixes.
[20:09] <OvenWerks> what bugs ;)
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> Riiiiiiight.
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> ;)
[21:56] <ViperChief> Good afternoon/evening, all.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> ViperChief: Hi!
[23:21] <ViperChief> Just the guy I was hoping would show up. :)
[23:21] <ViperChief> Just finished listening to your interview on Destination Linux.
[23:22] <Eickmeyer> Awesome. That was fun.
[23:22] <Eickmeyer> I've known Michael and Noah for quite some time now, and it was great finally being invited on.
[23:23] <ViperChief> It was awesome! And it made me want to reach out.
[23:23] <ViperChief> I've spent the last few years keeping an eye out for a project that I might be able to help out with. I have a very specific set of skills.
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> I read that in Liam Neeson's voice.
[23:24] <ViperChief> Excellent. My job here is done. Good night, folks.
[23:24] <ViperChief> Wait...
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> Haha!
[23:25] <ViperChief> I was thinking of reaching out and then you started talking about publicity and then packaging. Turns out that I was on the steering committee of a different distro a few years back and my primary role was heading up PR
[23:25] <ViperChief> My secondary role was packaging.
[23:25] <ViperChief> Also did support and managing the wiki, etc.
[23:26] <ViperChief> Anyway, I've been wanting to get involved but it seems harder than it should be. I knew I definitely wanted to be with a small and tight team for sure.
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> Per your cloak, you led communications for Fuduntu?
[23:27] <ViperChief> I've been exposed!
[23:27] <ViperChief> But, yes.
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> Cool. So, are you most familiar with packaging for RPM or DEB or both?
[23:28] <ViperChief> RPM, but I've done a little deb and pretty sure I could get the hang of it somewhat quickly.
[23:29] <ViperChief> We were RPM based.
[23:29] <Eickmeyer> Having come from RPM myself, there is quite a learning curve.
[23:29] <Eickmeyer> That said, OvenWerks and I were just talking about how we really need to clean up the documentation on the wiki.
[23:29] <ViperChief> The weird part is I've done more RPM but I prefer deb distros. :|
[23:30] <ViperChief> Anything in particular or just kind of overall?
[23:30] <Eickmeyer> Mostly overall. The most recent was the audio handbook, but there's a lot of things on there that don't even need to be there anymoe.
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> How familiar with Ubuntu Studio are you as far as operation in terms of audio?
[23:38] <ViperChief> I'll admit not a lot (read: any).  I've always been interested in that kind of stuff, but never had a real excuse. I'm pretty familiar with Ubuntu and Linux in general.
[23:38] <ViperChief> However, I will learn what I need to in order to get the job done and worth with I can do (such as learning the packaging, helping out the wiki and whatever else I can).
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Are you on Launchpad?
[23:42] <ViperChief> I am. https://launchpad.net/~eliasward
[23:44] <Eickmeyer> Okay. I just added you to the documentation team, which means you can sign in to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ and feel free to edit as needed. If you have questions, you know where to find me. I'm also on Telegram.
[23:45] <Eickmeyer> I'll also add you to Public Relations & Support.
[23:45] <Eickmeyer> Also, would you mind helping with support in the main #ubuntustudio channel?
[23:45] <ViperChief> Awesome! Do you have any recommendations on a good guide for building DEB? I can go get some learning in.
[23:46] <Eickmeyer> Basically.. http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/
[23:46] <ViperChief> Absolutely. I'm actually going to install it tonight so I can get a feel for all the programs (also, the idea of being able to convert any flavor is awesome because I also am a Plasma fanboi)
[23:47] <ViperChief> Perfect. Thank you.
[23:48] <Eickmeyer> Haha! What's funny is that I have to switch back and forth between Xfce and other things since our default is Xfce, so I've been spending a lot of time in GNOME and Xfce since when I switch between Plasma and anything else, I have to sign-in to everything in Chrome again.
[23:48] <Eickmeyer> A bit annoying.
[23:50] <ViperChief> I kind of use a blend. i3 on my home laptop, GNOME for my work laptop and Plasma for my desktop. I've been reading about using i3 and xfce together. This might be my excuse to try it out. :)