[01:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL70a7b05d92c5: Start Format --> Paragraph] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL70a7b05d92c5 [01:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL49f6ae5a541d: Add After text and first line fields] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL49f6ae5a541d [01:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbe763c71d566: add change space above/below paragraph] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbe763c71d566 [01:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALed894d8f58db: Finish loimpress indetns and spacing tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALed894d8f58db [02:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc521faf1833e: Add summary of alignment tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc521faf1833e [06:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe2aa47310695: Add more options to Alignement tab of loimpress] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe2aa47310695 [09:37] Imus12 was added by: Imus12 [12:05] @lynorian wxl: tested yesterday daily, shortcuts including Meta/Super key doesný match our manual. [12:06] Meta open Menu [12:11] (Photo, 800x672) https://i.imgur.com/Qzkjb1L.jpg yesterday daily. Papirus (not dark) icons looks good. About LXQt, Skanlite, Screenshot, and all the other problematic appear white. [12:13] Yeah, it is much more visible. [12:14] I will install it to see if it changes something. In my "rolling" installation skanlite, screenshot, about lxqt and nm-tray appear black. [12:15] when changing to papirus (not dark). [12:16] My 19.04 machine updated the icons automatically. [12:17] good! maybe because i play to much I broke something. [12:17] can't log into phab [12:18] Unhandled Exception ("InvalidArgumentException") ... Value provided to "replaceQueryParam()" for key "scope" is NULL. Use "removeQueryParam()" to remove a query parameter. [12:19] Hmm, I was already logged in on this machine, let me try another one. [12:20] I got the same error. [12:23] We should probably ping @tsimonq2 and @teward001 ^ [12:26] icons: nope, doesn't work [12:26] at least in live [12:26] is papirus-dark w/o colorize set. [12:26] pcmanfm-qt looks bad in live [12:30] I think I know the problem. Will try to fix today. [12:41] mmm, apparently it hasn't landed https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Fdisco/src/ [12:43] (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/hZmlmGV.jpg Must be I changed mine. [13:56] looks good [13:56] have you managed to configure notifications right? [14:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T184: Define and Implenet Default Settings for touchpad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184 [14:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T185: Define Default settings for notifications] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185 [15:14] @HMollerCl [have you managed to configure notifications right?], Still tweaking that. I am tempted to disable it. Most of the applications I use already have some sort of notification archive anyway. [15:15] I have disabled for now. [15:39] @kc2bez we shoudl also define touchapd default settings, do you use lubuntu on a laptop? [15:40] Yes, I have both a laptop and desktop. [15:42] we need to define this https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184 maybe make a poll? [15:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Define and Implement Default Settings for touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184 [15:43] we could make it in twitter, to encgache auddience. [16:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3c9efa9ab8f7: Fix warning in sddm_configuration] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3c9efa9ab8f7 [16:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL58d4ba929d0f: Add how to edit the file in featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL58d4ba929d0f [17:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2ea445544f2f: Add sddm disable autologin] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2ea445544f2f [17:50] Is there a reason we have the keyboard shortcut control +Alt + Up in openbox? It does not seem to do anything by default and makes it so you can't use keyboard shortcut in libreoffice to reorder lists in libreoffice writer [17:57] @lynorian [ Is there a reason we have the keyboard shortcut control +Alt + Up in …], not that I know [18:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALdd8f9e09d7aa: Start reorganizing tables for openbox shortcuts as they make little sense being…] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALdd8f9e09d7aa [18:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL143ab998301f: Now even more human readable] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL143ab998301f [18:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd5be36fe96e1: Make brightness keyboard shortcuts human readable] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd5be36fe96e1 [18:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL047c4c825b81: Remove wrong line about lxpanel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL047c4c825b81 [18:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe36c97a7ce34: Add human readable description to openbox keyboard] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe36c97a7ce34 [18:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa47caef1cf76: Add descrptions for sending to desktop] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa47caef1cf76 [18:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL06fdbe1ae721: Describe backlight shortcuts better] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL06fdbe1ae721 [20:47] @tsimonq2 why hasn't this landed? https://phab.lubuntu.me/D57 [20:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] change icon theme to papirus (not dark) and colorize on widget style (icon_follow_color_scheme) false.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D57 [20:49] Uh, good question, sorry... [20:51] another question, today is feature freeze, what means that? [20:52] No more new features in existing packages unless we get an exception [20:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze [20:53] ^ [20:53] @tsimonq2 [No more new features in existing packages unless we get an exception], But this is the tl;dr [20:58] @tsimonq2 any idea on how should we deal with .desktop for software properties? create our own or remove the noDisplay=true from the master? [20:59] @HMollerCl [@tsimonq2 any idea on how should we deal with .desktop for software properties? …], The latter [21:01] ok, we had in lxqt a .desktop to launch directly he "additional driver tab" was this https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main/view/head:/data/software-properties-drivers.desktop.in [21:02] but know i lauches the -gtk version [21:02] my problem is that only we want that version [21:02] so, NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE; is enough? [21:07] I think you can do `OnlyShowIn=LXQt;` to do what you want @HMollerCl [21:09] @HMollerCl [another question, today is feature freeze, what means that?], https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2019-February/001255.html [21:09] @kc2bez [I think you can do OnlyShowIn=LXQt; to do what you want @HMollerCl], Ahh, yes [21:10] thanks @kc2bez ! [21:11] Np anytime. [22:02] now?! [22:03] o/ [22:04] \o [22:04] o/ [22:07] @tsimonq2: oh fearless leader [22:08] I'm in a car [22:08] Everyone else go first [22:08] @tsimonq2 [I'm in a car], Driving? [22:08] @N0um3n0 [Driving?], Stop lights and talk-to-text don't count [22:09] shoould I go first? [22:10] Sure go ahead. [22:10] ok. Most important thing is that software-properties-qt now has additional driver tab [22:10] I'm working now into making icons appear [22:11] I mean, .desktop icons [22:11] cool [22:12] Awesome! [22:12] there is still some merged needed @tsimonq2 for debconf. I don't know if tehre are additional drivers that need debconf but if they are currently don't work [22:13] I want to start packaging update Norifier [22:13] I have a problem thoug, how upgrades are handled. [22:13] discover and muon are not great for upgrades. Discover is slow and muon cannot be started with upgrade tab on. [22:15] I have only really used discover on my beefy desktop and I don't notice slowness there [22:15] Yeah, discover isn't that bad on my desktop. [22:15] So I try to make our own upgrade. But I've not being totally successfull. I mage a graphic but I don't get information during the installation process, sometyimes faield and I get no info. I tried to open a terminal, but after it completes it close it and don't know the exit status. [22:16] @lynorian [ I have only really used discover on my beefy desktop and I don't noti …], I haven't been able to run discover in a 2Gb core duo2 @1.83. It tottaly freeze my laptop [22:17] and that's for me this week I think. [22:17] ojjjj, sorry for my typos [22:17] I have been quite busy I did relatively little for me [22:18] you were on vacations I thouht. [22:18] No worries Hans, thanks for the update. [22:18] For part of it but then came back to get stuff done [22:19] It looks like you have been getting some good stuff in the manual lynorian [22:19] I filed bug 1816665 [22:19] Bug 1816665 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu 19.04 daily no keyboard input on live session" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1816665 [22:21] I did try to reproduce on my disco install but I didn't try on my cosmic machine. What is your host? [22:21] lubuntu 18.10 [22:21] I tried to start some of the sddm configuration to the manual but have found that going to be a bit difficult [22:22] Today I noticed several parts of appendix F for keyboard shortcuts would be really hard to understand if you don't grok openbox config files so I did a few changes on that [22:22] also more of libreoffice impress stuff with spacing and indents [22:23] I also realized in the openbox config control+alt+up and control+alt+down are used but we have openbox intercept these for a shortcut that does not work by default [22:23] Appendix F looks much better, Awesome! [22:24] Appendix C now has how to open nano as that is the most new user friendly command line text editor [22:24] I also added how to customize quick launch in the panel [22:25] and making a pdf I have compelted that but the problem is the chapter numbering is really wierd [22:26] Since I'm now above ground on the train home: @wxl I'm waiting on Walter's response email. That's my only update this week. [22:26] that is it for me on this week [22:26] I have one question regarding manual [22:27] what about differente versions? [22:27] it's incremental or all version is anew manual? [22:27] Well for that I need to make a branch in git [22:28] and the build will need to checkout the branch [22:29] so I should probalby make a branch for 18.10 and continue development in master [22:29] I think that answers all your question? [22:30] :) @ lynorian (quick launch info - I already found it REALLY useful!) & Thanks (from me & other dumb users) [22:30] @lynorian [ I think that answers all your question?], yes, thanks! [22:30] * lynorian is done [22:31] Thanks lynorian, fantastic work! [22:31] guiverc: Anything for us? [22:32] I've done nothing, so nothing to say except sorry. (i've got a new [2009] box I'll setup for lubuntu, but haven't found my dvi-vga convertors to make use of it yet [wanted due packaging issues, & yeah my stuff (freebies) is all that old!]. FYI if anyone needs testing in OLD equipment (HMollerCl), I may be useful! [22:33] Cool, that should be good for testing some stuff. [22:34] ok, thanks! [22:35] wxl: What is new with you? [22:39] While we wait I can go. [22:40] With a lot of help from @tsimonq2 I was able to get the Calamares packaged. [22:40] This may help with https://phab.lubuntu.me/T171 [22:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] make Calamares work well with smaller screens: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T171 [22:41] One of the things that was added was the ability to set window size. [22:42] From the release announcement "In particular, the setting windowExpanding can be set to normal, fullscreen or noexpand." [22:43] fullscreen might help with that, I don't know though, I haven't tested it. [22:44] I think that is it from me, @tsimonq2 or wxl you back? [22:45] wxl time [22:54] ok here work jeez [22:54] life has been extra insane for me lately, but i did a little triage [22:54] and generally lent some feedback to support work others are doing [22:54] at least i'm not totally useless :) [22:55] Far from it. ^ [22:55] well, i just haven't been at the level of activity i'd like to be at [22:55] i think i'm going to go to the hotel that no one else is going at for lfnw and just hide in my room and get stuff done at night [22:56] meanwhile i'm sure @tsimonq2 will be blowing up my phone [22:56] XD [22:56] WHERE ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU OMG THEY HAVE FREE BREAKFAST XD [22:57] XD [22:57] that's it for me, really [22:58] Thanks for everything you do! [22:58] * wxl shrugs :) [23:05] I forgot [23:05] I created 2 tasks. [23:05] https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184 [23:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Define and Implement Default Settings for touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184 [23:05] https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185 [23:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Define Default settings for notifications: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185 [23:05] define default settings for touchapd and notifications. [23:06] I propose: ... - disable notifications ... - touchpad: tap to click, two finger scroll, no acceleratio [23:06] i liked your settings for the first one. you should include that screenshot. my vote is just do it unless you hear someone complain within the next week [23:06] why disable notifications, though? just because of the volume key changes? [23:07] @wxl [ why disable notifications, though? just because of the volume key changes?], I ended up disabling i. [23:07] was to much, and the notifications that are important still appear [23:08] i'ts only that they are not stored [23:08] the unatended notifications [23:08] oh hm [23:08] please put that in the task [23:09] done, I updated the title [23:10] for touchpad, I was thinking we could make a poll in tweeter, to engage audience. [23:10] i think phab has a poll thing [23:11] tbf what you proposed is normal for most distros I think. [23:12] ^^ that's another approach. see what others are shipping [23:14] Having the ability to easily change it will be nice for those that don't care for the defaults. [23:15] actually, I don't use other distros [23:16] unless someone thinks win10 is another distro. [23:17] It is a user experience that we should consider I suppose. [23:17] but I believe that the standard is tap to click and 2 finger for scrolling. Not sure aboout acceleration [23:18] I think that can vary more on device than OS. [23:22] docEbrown was added by: docEbrown [23:22] Oh hey! [23:23] hey! Long time no see. Sorry!!!! Been slammed at work. Keen to get going again [23:24] It's alright :) we'll get you back into it [23:24] How've you been otherwise? [23:25] Outside of super busy at work pretty good you? How's studies?