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 @lynorian wxl: tested yesterday daily, shortcuts including Meta/Super key  doesný match our manual.
 Meta open Menu
 (Photo, 800x672) https://i.imgur.com/Qzkjb1L.jpg yesterday daily. Papirus (not dark) icons looks good. About LXQt, Skanlite, Screenshot, and all the other problematic appear white.
 Yeah, it is much more visible.
 I will install it to see if it changes something. In my "rolling" installation skanlite, screenshot, about lxqt and nm-tray appear black.
 when changing to papirus (not dark).
 My 19.04 machine updated the icons automatically.
 good! maybe because i play to much I broke something.
 can't log into phab
 Unhandled Exception ("InvalidArgumentException") ... Value provided to "replaceQueryParam()" for key "scope" is NULL. Use "removeQueryParam()" to remove a query parameter.
 Hmm, I was already logged in on this machine, let me try another one.
 I got the same error.
 We should probably ping @tsimonq2 and @teward001 ^
 icons: nope, doesn't work
 at least in live
 is papirus-dark w/o colorize set.
 pcmanfm-qt looks bad in live
 I think I know the problem. Will try to fix today.
 mmm, apparently it hasn't landed https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-default-settings/browse/ubuntu%252Fdisco/src/
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/hZmlmGV.jpg Must be I changed mine.
 looks good
 have you managed to configure notifications right?
[14:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T184: Define and Implenet Default Settings for touchpad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
[14:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T185: Define Default settings for notifications] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
 @HMollerCl [have you managed to configure notifications right?], Still tweaking that. I am tempted to disable it. Most of the applications I use already have some sort of notification archive anyway.
 I have disabled for now.
 @kc2bez we shoudl also define touchapd default settings, do you use lubuntu on a laptop?
 Yes, I have both a laptop and desktop.
 we need to define this https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184 maybe make a poll?
[15:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Define and Implement Default Settings for touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
 we could make it in twitter, to encgache auddience.
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[17:50] <lynorian> Is there a reason we have the keyboard shortcut control +Alt + Up in openbox? It does not seem to do anything by default and makes it so you can't use keyboard shortcut in libreoffice to reorder lists in libreoffice writer
 @lynorian [<lynorian> Is there a reason we have the keyboard shortcut control +Alt + Up in …], not that I know
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 @tsimonq2 why hasn't this landed? https://phab.lubuntu.me/D57
[20:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] change icon theme to papirus (not dark) and colorize on widget style (icon_follow_color_scheme) false.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D57
 Uh, good question, sorry...
 another question, today is feature freeze, what means that?
 No more new features in existing packages unless we get an exception
[20:52] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
 ^
 @tsimonq2 [No more new features in existing packages unless we get an exception], But this is the tl;dr
 @tsimonq2 any idea on how should we deal with .desktop for software properties? create our own or remove the noDisplay=true from the master?
 @HMollerCl [@tsimonq2 any idea on how should we deal with .desktop for software properties? …], The latter
 ok, we had in lxqt a .desktop to launch directly he "additional driver tab" was this https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main/view/head:/data/software-properties-drivers.desktop.in
 but know i lauches the -gtk version
 my problem is that only we want that version
 so, NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE; is enough?
 I think you can do `OnlyShowIn=LXQt;` to do what you want @HMollerCl
 @HMollerCl [another question, today is feature freeze, what means that?], https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2019-February/001255.html
 @kc2bez [I think you can do OnlyShowIn=LXQt; to do what you want @HMollerCl], Ahh, yes
 thanks @kc2bez !
 Np anytime.
 now?!
[22:03] <kc2bez> o/
[22:04] <lynorian> \o
[22:04] <guiverc> o/
[22:07] <wxl> @tsimonq2: oh fearless leader
 I'm in a car
 Everyone else go first
 @tsimonq2 [I'm in a car], Driving?
 @N0um3n0 [Driving?], Stop lights and talk-to-text don't count
 shoould I go first?
[22:10] <kc2bez> Sure go ahead.
 ok. Most important thing is that software-properties-qt now has additional driver tab
 I'm working now into making icons appear
 I mean, .desktop icons
[22:11] <lynorian> cool
[22:12] <kc2bez> Awesome!
 there is still some merged needed @tsimonq2 for debconf. I don't know if tehre are additional drivers that need debconf but if they are currently don't work
 I want to start packaging update Norifier
 I have a problem thoug, how upgrades are handled.
 discover and muon are not great for upgrades. Discover is slow and muon cannot be started with upgrade tab on.
[22:15] <lynorian> I have only really used discover on my beefy desktop and I don't notice slowness there
[22:15] <kc2bez> Yeah, discover isn't that bad on my desktop.
 So I try to make our own upgrade. But I've not being totally successfull. I mage a graphic but I don't get information during the installation process, sometyimes faield and I get no info. I tried to open a terminal, but after it completes it close it and don't know the exit status.
 @lynorian [<lynorian> I have only really used discover on my beefy desktop and I don't noti …], I haven't been able to run discover in a 2Gb core duo2 @1.83. It tottaly freeze my laptop
 and that's for me this week I think.
 ojjjj, sorry for my typos
[22:17] <lynorian> I have been quite busy I did relatively little for me 
 you were on vacations I thouht.
[22:18] <kc2bez> No worries Hans, thanks for the update.
[22:18] <lynorian> For part of it but then came back to get stuff done
[22:19] <kc2bez> It looks like you have been getting some good stuff in the manual lynorian
[22:19] <lynorian> I filed bug 1816665 
[22:21] <kc2bez> I did try to reproduce on my disco install but I didn't try on my cosmic machine. What is your host?
 lubuntu 18.10
[22:21] <lynorian> I tried to start some of the sddm configuration to the manual but have found that going to be a bit difficult
[22:22] <lynorian> Today I noticed several parts of appendix F for keyboard shortcuts would be really hard to understand if you don't grok openbox config files so I did a few changes on that
[22:22] <lynorian> also more of libreoffice impress stuff with spacing and indents
[22:23] <lynorian> I also realized in the openbox config control+alt+up and control+alt+down are used but we have openbox intercept these for a shortcut that does not work by default
[22:23] <kc2bez> Appendix F looks much better, Awesome!
[22:24] <lynorian> Appendix C now has how to open nano as that is the most new user friendly command line text editor
[22:24] <lynorian> I also added how to customize quick launch in the panel
[22:25] <lynorian> and making a pdf I have compelted that but the problem is the chapter numbering is really wierd
 Since I'm now above ground on the train home: @wxl I'm waiting on Walter's response email. That's my only update this week.
[22:26] <lynorian> that is it for me on this week
 I have one question regarding manual
 what about differente versions?
 it's incremental or all version is anew manual?
[22:27] <lynorian> Well for that I need to make a branch in git 
[22:28] <lynorian> and the build will need to checkout the branch
[22:29] <lynorian> so I should probalby make a branch for 18.10 and continue development in master
[22:29] <lynorian> I think that answers all your question?
[22:30] <guiverc> :) @ lynorian (quick launch info - I already found it REALLY useful!) & Thanks  (from me & other dumb users)
 @lynorian [<lynorian> I think that answers all your question?], yes, thanks!
[22:30]  * lynorian is done
[22:31] <kc2bez> Thanks lynorian, fantastic work!
[22:31] <kc2bez> guiverc: Anything for us?
[22:32] <guiverc> I've done nothing, so nothing to say except sorry. (i've got a new [2009] box I'll setup for lubuntu, but haven't found my dvi-vga convertors to make use of it yet [wanted due packaging issues, & yeah my stuff (freebies) is all that old!].   FYI if anyone needs testing in OLD equipment (HMollerCl), I may be useful!
[22:33] <kc2bez> Cool, that should be good for testing some stuff.
 ok, thanks!
[22:35] <kc2bez> wxl: What is new with you?
[22:39] <kc2bez> While we wait I can go.
[22:40] <kc2bez> With a lot of help from @tsimonq2 I was able to get the Calamares packaged.
[22:40] <kc2bez> This may help with https://phab.lubuntu.me/T171
[22:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] make Calamares work well with smaller screens: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T171
[22:41] <kc2bez> One of the things that was added was the ability to set window size.
[22:42] <kc2bez> From the release announcement "In particular, the setting windowExpanding can be set to normal, fullscreen or noexpand."
[22:43] <kc2bez> fullscreen might help with that, I don't know though, I haven't tested it.
[22:44] <kc2bez> I think that is it from me, @tsimonq2 or wxl you back?
 wxl time
[22:54] <wxl> ok here work jeez
[22:54] <wxl> life has been extra insane for me lately, but i did a little triage
[22:54] <wxl> and generally lent some feedback to support work others are doing
[22:54] <wxl> at least i'm not totally useless :)
[22:55] <kc2bez> Far from it. ^
[22:55] <wxl> well, i just haven't been at the level of activity i'd like to be at
[22:55] <wxl> i think i'm going to go to the hotel that no one else is going at for lfnw and just hide in my room and get stuff done at night
[22:56] <wxl> meanwhile i'm sure @tsimonq2 will be blowing up my phone
[22:56] <kc2bez> XD
[22:56] <wxl> WHERE ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU OMG THEY HAVE FREE BREAKFAST XD
 XD
[22:57] <wxl> that's it for me, really
[22:58] <kc2bez> Thanks for everything you do!
[22:58]  * wxl shrugs :)
 I forgot
 I created 2 tasks.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
[23:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Define and Implement Default Settings for touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
[23:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] Define Default settings for notifications: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T185
 define default settings for touchapd and notifications.
 I propose: ... - disable notifications ... - touchpad: tap to click, two finger scroll, no acceleratio
[23:06] <wxl> i liked your settings for the first one. you should include that screenshot. my vote is just do it unless you hear someone complain within the next week
[23:06] <wxl> why disable notifications, though? just because of the volume key changes?
 @wxl [<wxl> why disable notifications, though? just because of the volume key changes?], I ended up disabling i.
 was to much, and the notifications that are important still appear
 i'ts only that they are not stored
 the unatended notifications
[23:08] <wxl> oh hm
[23:08] <wxl> please put that in the task
 done, I updated the title
 for touchpad, I was thinking we could make a poll in tweeter, to engage audience.
[23:10] <wxl> i think phab has a poll thing
[23:11] <kc2bez> tbf what you proposed is normal for most distros I think.
[23:12] <wxl> ^^ that's another approach. see what others are shipping
[23:14] <kc2bez> Having the ability to easily change it will be nice for those that don't care for the defaults.
 actually, I don't use other distros
 unless someone thinks win10 is another distro.
[23:17] <kc2bez> It is a user experience that we should consider I suppose.
 but I believe that the standard is tap to click and 2 finger for scrolling. Not sure aboout acceleration
[23:18] <kc2bez> I think that can vary more on device than OS.
 Oh hey!
 hey! Long time no see.  Sorry!!!! Been slammed at work.  Keen to get going again
 It's alright :) we'll get you back into it
 How've you been otherwise?
 Outside of super busy at work pretty good you?  How's studies?