[00:00] <tomreyn> ironpillow: alright. what's this hardware by the way? something special?
[00:00] <ironpillow> tomreyn: yeah :) custom built, for networking.
[00:00] <tomreyn> you might want to look for a newer BIOS than "R0.10 12/27/2017" (which is pre spectre / meltdown / intel me)
[00:02] <tomreyn> before those got relevant fixes, i  mean
[00:12] <ironpillow> Yep will do
[00:42] <j0seph> Hi all. Just a quick question: I want all the packages that can be upgraded to be listed after I run apt 'apt update' if there are any. Is there a flag or setting I can use to do such a thing without having to type 'apt list --upgradable' to list the upgradable packages, or is there no such feature/is this regarded as bad practice?
[00:43] <pavlos> j0seph: actually, apt get upgrade will list all upgradable packages and you have the option to say yes|no
[00:44] <j0seph> pavlos: ah, yes, I suppose that is true. thanks :)
[00:45] <OerHeks> set an alias?
[00:46] <OerHeks> alias gimmeallyourmoney='apt list --upgradable'
[00:52] <j0seph> OerHeks: sounds good, but I wouldn't want to threaten or scare my system like that. it works hard for me, after all :(
[00:59] <cyberbob> Hi All, what is yum update alternate in ubuntu ?
[00:59] <cyberbob> is this apt upgrade
[00:59] <OerHeks> update is update
[00:59] <OerHeks> so: sudo apt update
[01:00] <cyberbob> OerHeks: in Centos yum upate updates all the packages but apt-get update just update the repos (please correct me If I'm wrong, not an ubuntu user)
[01:00] <OerHeks> this will fetching the lists only
[01:01] <cyberbob> yeah but yum update do the update as well + fetching the list/updating repos
[01:01] <cyberbob> so yum update & apt update are not equal ?
[01:01] <OerHeks> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade # does normal updates, and dist-upgrade is stage 2
[01:02] <OerHeks> !dist-upgrade
[01:02] <OerHeks> indeed
[01:03] <OerHeks> on yum, you would use yum check-update if there are updates available
[01:34] <ironpillow> tomreyn: I upgraded the system and did a reboot, still having this issue. /sbin/init CPU% keeps doing up and down very quickly. From 0.0 to 44% and then back to 0, then up to 44%. repeatedly. dmesg: https://gist.github.com/ironpillow/bb4467aed88b8c9fc405e815d3ff4de0
[01:40] <tomreyn> ironpillow: bios version remains the same - is there no upgrade available? you said this is a custom built system, what else is custom and worth mentioning about it, on all terms such as hardware, firmware / BIOS / UEFI, OS?
[01:48]  * tomreyn be back (much) later
[01:57] <ironpillow> tomreyn: we don't have upgraded bios yet. SMBIOS 3.0.0, UEFI, BIOS version 5.13, American Megatrends
[02:03] <cliff1245> How do I provision more space for /boot on ubuntu 16.04
[02:30] <cxc99> what's the reason for all the scripts in /etc/init.d and for the services in /lib/systemd/system in ubuntu18?
[02:39] <nerdcore> I seem to have rootfs mounted with option "stripe=32659" but it is not part of any RAID array and there is no /dev/md* and /etc/fstab says it has options "defaults". What could cause this?
[02:44] <nerdcore> I'm using xenial on x86_64
[02:58] <rfm> cxc99, they arrange for services to be started as the system starts up and stopped as the system shuts down.
[03:04] <Beam_Inn> can you guys tell me where /etc/default/grub is relocated to now?
[03:04] <Beam_Inn> ubuntu 1804
[03:05] <Bashing-om> Beam_Inn: "sysop@x1804mini:~$ ls -al /etc/default/grub >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1209 Jul 26  2018 /etc/default/grub" .
[03:05] <Beam_Inn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 (see Grub vs Grub 2 part 8).
[03:06] <Beam_Inn> part 9
[03:06] <rfm> nerdcore, I don't know, but looking around I see that rootfs options can be specified on the kernel boot line (which is logical since /etc/fstab is in the root file system so it can't have been read yet when mounting root)
[03:06] <Beam_Inn> part 10
[03:06] <Beam_Inn> what the heck
[03:07] <rfm> nerdcore, maybe check your grub options to see if that's where stripe= is set?  (I have no idea who or what could have put it there)
[03:07] <nerdcore> rfm: ok good call, but not seeing any mention of "stripe" within /boot/*
[03:09] <nerdcore> I recently suffered some filesystem corruption. Ran fsck and attempted to fix errors but it may have occurred then :(
[03:10] <nerdcore> I see one stackexchange article of an AWS instance showing similar behaviour and one person has suggested running "tune2fs -f -E stride=0 /dev/xvdb" (probably s/stride/stripe/)
[03:12] <Beam_Inn> it's because it's a file, not a directory
[03:12] <Beam_Inn> about the grub thing. s o nix my q.
[03:14] <nerdcore> Is there a file in /proc which will show me the kernel cmdline which was used on this boot?
[03:14] <nerdcore> oh yes /proc/cmdline lol
[03:16] <nerdcore> Could the EXT4 filesystem have this "stripe=" as a default mount option? How would I see those ext4 settings?
[03:19] <nerdcore> tune2fs -l. sorry for answering my own questions :P
[03:19] <nerdcore> thanks for the advice rfn
[03:19] <Bashing-om> nerdcore: No - not generally. Show the channel what you are working with. pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' .
[03:22] <nerdcore> turns out my ext4fs has option "RAID stride: 32659". so weird.
[03:25] <nerdcore> https://pastebin.com/RMQRQRDW
[03:25] <AtTheLoj> anyone here familiar with ranger :bulkrename?
[03:37] <Bashing-om> nerdcore: Got me geuessing. fdisk reports a nornal ext4 drive with one partition. But in the tune2fs output there is "RAID stride:              32659".
[03:37] <nerdcore> ya im stumped :(
[03:40] <nerdcore> the whole story might be a bit more complicated, but worth telling... I was upgrading HDDs and cloned old to new using dd. When I booted back up not realizing that the kernel cmdline (and /etc/fstab FWIW) used UUID= I got /dev/sdb1 mounted instead of /dev/sda1, because both were still connected.
[03:41] <nerdcore> but this may just be a red herring; No idea why that would cause ext4 to suddenly decide to be RAIDed
[03:41] <nerdcore> there was also some FS corruption, so maybe the bits defining "RAID stride" just got set from 00000 to 32659 (?)
[03:44] <Bashing-om> nerdcore: "sudo wipefs /dev/sda". Note that you should not just trust me that that command is safe (even though it is), you should run "man wipefs" and confirm for yourself that the command will just list all visible filesystems (and in this case, RAID metadata) and their offsets.
[03:45] <nerdcore> haha yeah that sounds horrible ;)
[03:45] <nerdcore> will look
[03:49] <nerdcore> Bashing-om: not sure what this means. Doesn't look very helpful to me https://pastebin.com/82aFP8UJ
[03:53] <Bashing-om> nerdcore: I had expected: "DEVICE OFFSET TYPE UUID LABEL" In any case this only shows a standard partitoning. No raid here. Will take one smarter than I to tell where that raid stripe is generated.
[03:54] <nerdcore> there is no RAID which I am aware of. Certainly never intended to create any.
[03:55] <nerdcore> I'll just chalk it up to FS corruption and move on with my life. ;) Thanks for the consideration and input
[03:57] <Bashing-om> nerdcore: Well, if you are not going to fix the issue, at least mask it over by taking out the raid stuff in the /etc/fstab file.
[04:00] <nerdcore> Bashing-om: there is nothin in /etc/fstab nor kernel cmdline; It's a setting in the ext4fs
[04:00] <nerdcore> /etc/fstab just says "defaults"
[04:02] <nerdcore> Bashing-om: see my first pastebin where `tune2fs -l /dev/sda1` shows "RAID stride" as being within the ext4 options which tune2fs can set
[04:04] <nerdcore> `tune2fs -E` might clean it up. so strange though. :(
[04:05] <rapidwave> Having an issue with audio. I have Bionic and for some reason, I get system sounds, but no videos have any sound at all.
[04:11] <jamie_1> does anyone else notice an issue with the battery indicator on the status bar almost always is off
[04:11] <jamie_1> like im at 61% and the icon still shows 100%
[04:19] <eddie> I have a bug to report and was wondering who exactly  i talk to and hopefully it can be reproduced
[04:20] <Bashing-om> !bug | Guest41121
[04:23] <Guest41121> the bug i'm reporting isn' t about a package though, it's through a series of actions
[04:30] <guiverc> Guest41121, if you're not sure what package, use a -meta package (in the end it will boil down to a single packzge if it's a bug, even if it's a combination of packages that require the bug to be seen), you could ask on #ubuntu-bugs (maybe bug-squad folks can be more precise)
[04:31] <tommyyprincess> An Important Talk - John Rose: https://www.bitchute.com/video/jBtlW4pdi22C/ ("SINGLE HANDEDEDLY THE GREATEST VIDEO ON YOUTUBE.")
[04:33] <cim209> uh no
[04:34] <tonyt> was going to ask the wanker spanker wth it has to do with ubuntu but he left
[04:57] <cxc99> rfm, i meant why are they repeated if ubuntu uses systemd
[05:16] <Synthesis> Can someone please help me figure out why I get the error "connection closed" when trying to ssh or sftp to my ubuntu machine?
[05:27] <underd0g> Synthesis: can you give more context
[05:28] <Synthesis> underd0g: basically ssh and sftp will not allow incoming connections, I was messing around with iptables and ufw yesterday which let to me doing ufw reset and readding the ports with allow anywhere, but ive got a feeling iptables may be ruined and im not sure how to check on them
[05:29] <nerdcore> Synthesis: I always use `sudo iptables -L -v -n` to review the main table.
[05:30] <Synthesis> Yeah ok nerdcore, im quite the rookie so the code it returns really means nothing to me tbh
[05:30] <underd0g> Synthesis: you can try sudo ufw status
[05:30] <underd0g> check if any connections are blocked
[05:30] <Synthesis> none are blocked thats the problem
[05:31] <Synthesis> 22, 80 and 443 are all allow anywhere
[05:31] <nerdcore> is sshd running? ;)
[05:31] <underd0g> Synthesis: ^
[05:31] <Synthesis> unsure to what that is guys
[05:31] <nerdcore> sudo service sshd status
[05:32] <Synthesis> literally my first time using linux
[05:32] <Synthesis> ok cheers
[05:32] <nerdcore> is ir running or is it stopped
[05:32] <nerdcore> *is it
[05:33] <nerdcore> or just go ahead with a `sudo service sshd start`. Doesn't really hurt to run if already running.
[05:33] <nerdcore> sshd is the SSH server software. It listens on port tcp/22 for incoming SSH connections.
[05:33] <Synthesis> its active but i did get some errors after it
[05:34] <Synthesis> let me show you the errors
[05:34] <harishkrupo> Hi all
[05:35] <harishkrupo> noob question: which package distributes files in /usr/include/drm
[05:35] <nerdcore> harishkrupo: you can check which package delivered a given file with `dpkg -L <filename>`
[05:35] <nerdcore> no sorry -S
[05:36] <nerdcore> `dpkg -S <filename>`
[05:36] <Synthesis> did you recieve that msg nerdcore? just want to check if it worked
[05:36] <harishkrupo> nerdcore: ah that is the flag i was searching for... Thanks
[06:27] <nbags> just got linux installed and working on an iMac G3. What should i do with it?
[06:27] <nbags> *iBook
[06:44] <Beam_Inn> Is there a way to make it so that alt-tab in gnome DE does not group similar apps?
[06:44] <p_> Hello, guys, I just installed Ubuntu, and remove Windows 10, now my ntfs partition is write protected, I can see things, copy them, but can't delete anything.
[06:46] <tarzeau> Beam_Inn: i think there's such gnome shell extensions, try $BROWSER extension.gnome.org
[06:46] <tarzeau> extensions.gnome.org
[06:47] <Beam_Inn> dude, finally someont talks about gnome
[06:47] <tarzeau> or gnome-tweaks
[06:47] <Beam_Inn> hey do you know how to append a linux kernel?
[06:47] <nbags> p_: its probably got a hibernation/fastboot file. or it needs a chkdsk from windows
[06:47] <tarzeau> i hate gnome. prefer gnustep
[06:47] <tarzeau> Beam_Inn: append a linux kernel to what/where?
[06:47] <p_> nbags: Yeah, but I removed windows, so what can I do?
[06:47] <tarzeau> nbags: badblocks/fsck is as good as chkdsk
[06:47] <Beam_Inn> i want to add a little info to the end of a line in grub, but I don't know what to add
[06:48] <tarzeau> p_: ah you want that ntfs fuse stuff to have it writable
[06:48] <Beam_Inn> Adding the kernel boot parameter usb_storage.quirks=0x0bc2:0xab38:u as GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, running update-grub and rebooting the system.
[06:48] <nbags> p_: you can fsck it on linux or try mount it with the 'remove_hiberfile' option. id step you throught it but ive gotta go sorry
[06:48] <Beam_Inn> do me a favor and do   nano /etc/default/grub
[06:48] <Beam_Inn> you can see GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX has two lines
[06:48] <tarzeau> we have grub configuration fully automated, including working old kernel removal
[06:48] <tarzeau> i'm not touching that interactively
[06:48] <nbags> nbags: or chkdsk it from a windows usb stick
[06:49] <nbags> p_: ^^
[06:49] <p_> LOL, don't got windows
[06:49] <tarzeau> p_: since 1999 here... and you?
[06:50] <p_> tarzeau: Since today ;)
[06:50] <Beam_Inn> i doubt that, tarzeau ....
[06:51] <Beam_Inn> how can you fully automate checking the model of my usb drive and removing the uas quirk from that device?
[06:51] <Beam_Inn> and why would you? :/
[06:51] <Beam_Inn> you could do less.  Reading the file won't change it.
[06:51] <tarzeau> Beam_Inn: udev???
[06:52] <tarzeau> Beam_Inn: when you have 200+ linux boxen, you don't want to fiddle manually around
[06:52] <Beam_Inn> udev command not found
[06:52] <tarzeau> i was not refering to a command but a software system
[06:53] <Beam_Inn> so you don't know which line to append :/
[06:54] <nbags> p_: so why u still using ntfs?
[06:54] <tarzeau> nope. what is that storage.quirk meant to do?
[06:54] <tarzeau> is it needed as kernel parameter? because you boot from it?
[06:55] <p_> nbags: There is this partition I had on windows, it got most of my files, and don't have space to move them to the other remaining partition, and no means of backup
[06:55] <Beam_Inn> it fixes my usb drive.  the manufacturer made some errosr in a lot of their models
[06:55] <nbags> p_: that sucks
[06:56] <Beam_Inn> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/usb/storage/usb.c#L568
[06:56] <Beam_Inn> right here tarzeau
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> guys stick to ubuntu support ok
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-discuss you can talk all day
[06:57] <p_> nbags: NVM, ntfsfix did it's thing, can now write to that partition.
[06:57] <Beam_Inn> well, I'm going to restart and see if that worked, man.
[06:57] <Beam_Inn> hopefully it didn't break my computer
[07:23] <cxc99> what's the reason for all the sysv style init scripts still in ubuntu18?
[07:25] <Rembo> hello, i'm using Ubuntu 16.04, can someone tell me which from following patches requires reboot https://pastebin.com/dpYMbK4E  ?
[07:26] <cxc99> systemd
[07:33] <Beam_Inn> that patch to grub didn't work
[07:38] <virk22> H
[08:21] <adminpick> any one is online
[08:21] <adminpick> hay drone
[08:21] <adminpick> hay sigyn
[08:22] <adminpick> hello
[08:23] <adminpick> any one i need help
[09:07] <afx_> hello ! can someone please tell me how this applet (https://imgur.com/a/dki5ypx) in gnome is called ?
[09:07] <afx_> on my system is top right corner in top panel
[09:32] <ice9> is there a simple way to deploy ubuntu on mass number of machines?
[09:41] <blackflow> ice9: take a look at MAAS:  https://maas.io/
[09:42] <ice9> blackflow, ah i forgot to mention that the machines are desktops
[09:43] <Meili> ice9: pxeboot with a preseed configuration?
[09:43] <blackflow> ice9: doesn't matter really. the difference is just in the package selection and some default configs.
[09:54] <guiverc> ice9, i was involved with a refurb/recycle group, we cloned drives from our master & just installed drives (test & fine tune to check sound, graphics if extra drivers etc; but we may have done this because we removed drives to dban them first..)
[10:03] <ice9> is there a way to install Ubuntu remotely on desktop computer?
[10:04] <berz3rk> where is unity 8 channel :D
[10:04] <SimonNL> ice9 install it on HDD and send it over.
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> berz3rk: try #ubports
[10:08] <blackflow> ice9: yes. MAAS, (pxe)boot + preseed, (pxe)boot + debootstrap (automatable via ansible, salt, ...), probably even over ssh
[10:10] <blackflow> ice9: you'd still have to walk over to the machine and initiate it though
[10:21] <Exterminador> so, Contabo (my hosting) did restarted the VPS for maintenance and the file `/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6` was once again set to 1. I was wondering if there's a way that I can make it stick to 0 or if I can delete it and make a symlink. any options/ideas are highly appreciated. I've tried to `sudo chattr +i /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6` but it says: chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on /proc/
[10:21] <Exterminador> sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
[10:23] <ikanobori> Exterminador: The /proc isn't a real filesystem. If you want permanent changes you can (depending on distro) put them in /etc/sysctl.conf
[10:24] <jeremy31> Exterminador: check /etc/sysctl.conf for lines with disabcle.ipv6
[10:29] <Exterminador> oh.. `net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1`
[10:29] <Exterminador> those guys are just stupid -_- they offer a /64 block and they disable IPv6
[10:29] <blackflow> Exterminador: also talk to them and tell them they're part of the problem, not solution, for global migration to IPv6
[10:30] <Exterminador> blackflow: I've mailed them already. :>
[10:30] <Exterminador> so, after editing the sysctl.conf, do I need to reload anything?
[10:30] <blackflow> Exterminador: sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf   to apply changes
[10:31] <Exterminador> blackflow: done! thanks a lot \o/
[10:31] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:31] <blackflow> Exterminador: actually.... it's --system instead of -p these days
[10:32] <blackflow> Exterminador: (with no specific file given) ... thing is it's now being set via multiple files, so better use just    sysctl --system
[10:33] <Exterminador> wow. lot's of "Applying ..." seems we're ready to go. once again, thanks a lot for the help
[10:37] <bbanner_> hi how are you?
[10:58] <qwebirc15375> Hello
[10:59] <qwebirc15375> I have a problem building a mesh network between raspberry pi(stretch) and ubuntu 16.04
[11:00] <qwebirc15375> I cannot ping
[11:00] <qwebirc15375> amog raspberries I can ping with no problem
[11:01] <qwebirc15375> between 2 pc running ubuntu 16.04 I can ping with no problem
[11:19] <Lamentin> Hello, I'm starter with ubuntu for windows, my issue is that I'm loosing network form bash ubuntu 18.04
[11:20] <BlackDalek> my release upgrade from 16.04 LTS failed at first reboot with a "failed to mount /" error. It wants to put me into emergency mode and type "journalctl -xb", "systemctl reboot", "systemctl default" or "exit" for default mode. What's my best option?
[11:22] <BluesKaj> qwebirc15375, ssh  ?
[11:27] <MagePsycho> JOIN #varnish
[11:40] <qwebirc81665> Hello, I want to create a local mirror of the ubuntu repository, but I only want partial of it (i.e. a certain number of packages). Is that possible ?
[11:43] <BlackDalek> ok. My do-release-upgrade failed with a "failed to mount /:" error. I typed journalctl -xb as suggested and got 5500 lines of log entries. No idea what it all means and no way to upload the log to a pastebin... Should I just try "systemctl reboot" as the earlier error suggested?
[11:48] <BlackDalek> the hardware I am using is an early macmini if that helps.
[11:49] <BlackDalek> OK, rebooting didn't help. What can I do now?
[12:01] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: the fastest way to recover is often to install the previous version and restore backups. alternatives are to try and recover this failed upgrade, which often (but not always) succeeds.
[12:02] <tomreyn> if you have separate /home and / file systems on separate partitions, a third option is to reinstall just the OS.
[12:05] <tomreyn>  you are probably wondering why the upgrde failed int he first place. almost always that's due to packages installed from 3rd party sources.
[12:07] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, ok. I don't think they are on separate partitions (I can't remember back to when I first installed it). It's on an early 2nd gen intel mac mini.
[12:08] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I do remember it was a pain in the arse to get it to even boot the installer DVD.
[12:08] <tomreyn> i see. then it's probably all on a single file system
[12:09] <BlackDalek> Ideally, I' like to somehow recover this failed upgrade.
[12:09] <tomreyn> mac systems aren't made with this (alternative bare metal OS) use case in mind.
[12:10] <tomreyn> login and tell the output of: echo $REASON
[12:11] <tomreyn> just so you know, recovery can take ~ an hour, and may yet fail.
[12:11] <BlackDalek> I don't think I can log in, but it does force me into an "emergency mode" maintenance terminal if that helps
[12:12] <tomreyn> that's what i meant by 'login', right, a bad explanation on my part
[12:12] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, oh ok ;)
[12:13] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, the $REASON echoed a blank line
[12:15] <tomreyn> the best thing will be to chroot the system from a live / installer. are you able to boot into a fully working OS on this or another computer?
[12:17] <`AbhiAbzs> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 270 Processor (2.70GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.4 GiB Total (3.2 GiB Free) Swap: 7.3 GiB Total (7.3 GiB Free) • Storage: 37.8 GB / 195.6 GB (157.8 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h Processor Miscellaneous Control • Uptime: 3h 35m 25s
[12:18] <tomreyn> `AbhiAbzs: please don't
[12:18] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, at this location, I can only work from the broken upgraded mac mini and this laptop (16.04 LTS) with an internet connection.
[12:20] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: sounds good enough. we'd also need a usb stick or other external storage which can be connected to both systems, and which we can fully overwrite.
[12:22] <tomreyn> the goal will be to create an ubuntu installer for 18.04.2 there, and boot the mac mini off it.
[12:23] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, give me a minute, I'll see what usable USB storage I can find... what minimum size would we be requiring for this storage device?
[12:23] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: i think 2 GB
[12:24] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, ok. hold on.
[12:24] <tomreyn> better 4, if you can choose
[12:25] <arpad2> hi, could it be a hardware, possibly motherboard, issue if live ubuntu stops boothing from dvd or pendrive?
[12:26] <tomreyn> arpad2: is it "from dvd OR pendrive" or is it §from dvd AND pendrive"? are you saying you tried both?
[12:27] <tomreyn> '§' was supposed to say '"' there
[12:27] <arpad2> tomreyn: yes, I tried both, in addition the dvds I bought from the linux shop, sp they should be fine, the boothabale pendrive I created following an online tutorial
[12:28] <tomreyn> arpad2: if both fail, the first thing to check is whether the ISO image you produced those from is not broken
[12:28] <tomreyn> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu
[12:29] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, let me see
[12:29] <tomreyn> this is also discussed in more detail (but less accessible to new users) at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto
[12:31] <tomreyn> arpad2: if you're not on a metered connection, i suggest to start a new download before you start with the verification.
[12:32] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, to download the iso file again?
[12:32] <tomreyn> arpad2: right
[12:32] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok
[12:32] <tomreyn> which one did you download?
[12:32] <arpad2> tomreyn: xubuntu 18.04.2 and 18.10 from torrent
[12:33] <alpha> when I open my network configuration I don't see my ethernet connection / wired in the available networks. Also when I somehow manage to connect it, it isn't able to make connection to my local server. Any ideas on how to fix this problem ?
[12:33] <tomreyn> arpad2: oh you used a torrent. well then the download should be correct, since part of the bittorrent download is to make sure the download is complete.
[12:34] <tomreyn> arpad2: where did you get the torrent files from? ubuntu.com ?
[12:34] <arpad2> tomreyn: from the official Xubuntu website
[12:35] <tomreyn> arpad2: 32-bit or 64-bit ?
[12:36] <arpad2> tomreyn: 64
[12:36] <alpha> enp4s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
[12:36] <alpha>         ether f4:8e:38:e9:19:44  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
[12:36] <alpha>         RX packets 366  bytes 31578 (31.5 KB)
[12:36] <alpha>         RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
[12:36] <alpha>         TX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)
[12:36] <alpha>         TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> !paste | alpha
[12:38] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I have a 165Gb external USB storage mounted to this laptop now.
[12:39] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: do you happen to know whether this mac is 64-bit capable?
[12:39] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: wrong question, let me rephrase: Do you know whether the Ubuntu you have/had installed there is a 32- or 64-bit one?
[12:40] <alpha> Sorry had no intention of spamming.
[12:40] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I seem to recall it being a core 2 duo, but being nobbled by Apple to only have the capability of booting in 32-bit mode.. but I think the installed OS was 64-bit
[12:41] <alpha> Here is the ifconfig > http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tgpKQfJY6n/
[12:41] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: uuh, i'm sorry but i'm not going to try to recover a 32-bit UEFI system.
[12:42] <alpha> My wireless connection is working as intended. However my wired connection is not working. Any help ?
[12:43] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: but i'll tell you the general approach: you should download the 64-bit installer of the ubuntu flavour you had installed, version 18.04.2, and use the "etcher" software to write the installer iso to the external storage.
[12:44] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: then you'll boot off it and do this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[12:45] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I believe the Apple model identifier is macmini2,1. Is there any way I can confirm that the UEFI is 32-bit? Oh not that etcher thing... I went through that path looking for a way to make it work and I had access to no hardware capable of running it.
[12:45] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: while on the chroot, you should "update-initramfs -k all"
[12:45] <whale1> i have installed svox package, but i don't know how to use it
[12:47] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: interesting that etcher doesn't work for you, i'd be interested in details, since, so far, to me, it seems to work on most OS and system configurations. you can use any other ISO image writer, or just cat or dd, too.
[12:48] <tomreyn> the default ubuntu image writer is usb-creator-gtk for gnome/gtk based desktops, usb-creator-qt for kde / qt based desktops.
[12:48] <nerdcore> alpha: well first things to check are Is the cable plugged in? Are there lights on the device / other end (router) to indicate a signal? Then maybe try `sudo dhclient enp4s0` to manuslly tell it to get a DHCP address
[12:48] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I think the problem was it only works on OS above a certain release and I had no hardware with the required OS release level.
[12:48] <alpha> Yes the cable is plugged lights are on
[12:49] <alpha> nerdcore: Yes router is indicating a signal that the device is on and working as it should.
[12:49] <nerdcore> alpha: the driver is working and receiving packets ("rx") and no Errors so those are good signs.
[12:49] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, the update-initranfs is expecting a missing switch/option (-c -u or -d)
[12:49] <tomreyn> whale1: see if you can find some documentation online. usually ubuntu packages place documentation in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> and additionally provide documentation for their main commands which can be read using "man <command>" after installing the "man-db" package
[12:49] <alpha> nerdcore: Good to know that. Let me give you a screenshot. Wait
[12:50] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: -u    - but i doubt you were this fast to write the installer to storeage, boot off it and chroot mount
[12:51] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: so it should have been: update-initramfs -k all -u
[12:51] <alpha> nerdcore: I am afraid I cannot reproduce what the error is.
[12:52] <alpha> nerdcore: but here is what happens. When I start my computer my doesn't automatically connect to ethernet which it should. The wireless works great but every time I boot I have to create a wired connection to use the ethernet.
[12:53] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, whoops.. sorry, I missed some of your messages. I am two steps ahead of myself
[12:53] <whale1> tomreyn: i knew it , thanks !
[12:55] <qwebirc15375> BluesKaj, yes. Im using ssh to test.
[12:56] <kreyren> Is there a way to remove apt from ubuntu? eg. portage on gentoo will remove itself if invoked `emerge -C portage*
[12:57] <ryuo> kreyren: why would you want to?
[12:57] <tomreyn> arpad2: i'm downloading those now, will try them in a VM to ensure they're not generally broken.
[12:58] <kreyren> ryuo: freedom, i want to have apt available on demand
[12:58] <ryuo> that's apt to be a mistake.
[12:58] <nerdcore> alpha: so you are able to get ethernet working msnually? sometimes? have you looked at these instructions for 18.04? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html.en-CA#ip-addressing
[12:58] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, thanks, I'm struggling to download one of the check files
[12:58] <kreyren> ryuo: wut?
[12:59] <ryuo> kreyren: bad joke, but that's critical software. i've never tried it.
[12:59] <nerdcore> kreyren: "have apt available on demand" sounds to me like you should leave it installed ;)
[12:59] <ryuo> kreyren: check out dpkg i guess.
[12:59] <alpha> nerdcore: Yes I can use it manually, but if I put my computer suspend after it wakes it doesn't at all. Even after creating a new connection manually.
[12:59] <tomreyn> arpad2: just to not waste my time here, please (read twice and then) confirm that you downloaded both the 18.04.2 and 18.10 xubuntu images via bittorrent from xubuntu.org, wrote both of them to *both* optical media and usb storage, and could not boot off either.
[12:59] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, :( I can't remember for certain if I had a 64bit or 32bt Ubuntu OS installed on the mac.
[13:01]  * nerdcore considers the implications, both practical and philosophical, of `sudo apt remove apt`
[13:02] <arpad2> tomreyn: correct, the installation starts but fails to fully boot,when  either I choose live session or when I would start to install to the system
[13:02] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: you should be able to tell from the initrams which your system boot currently 'fails' to. running "cat /proc/version" should tell whether this is an 686 (32-bit) or amd64 (64-bit) kernel.
[13:03] <tomreyn> arpad2: how much RAM does this system have?
[13:03] <arpad2> tomreyn: 8gb
[13:04] <nerdcore> alpha: how are you "creating a connection manually"? This can be done some different ways, so which are you doing that you find does work (when it does)?
[13:05] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, ok, yes. It does claim to be amd64. Now I know which version of 16.04 installer to download.
[13:05] <tomreyn> arpad2: okay, i'll test. which graphics card do you have there? which cpu?
[13:05] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: good.
[13:05] <alpha> nerdcore: System > Connections > Click on + sign > Wired. That's it
[13:06] <alpha> nerdcore: its kubuntu.
[13:06] <arpad2> tomreyn: i7 3740 QM and GTX 675 mx, but the current system is broken, no video driver is working, only software rendering is active
[13:07] <kreyren> nerdcore,ryuo: meaning?
[13:07] <arpad2> tomreyn: that's why I need reinstalling
[13:07] <tomreyn> arpad2: does it boot in uefi or bios mode?
[13:08] <tomreyn> arpad2: i understood, but thanks for clarifying.
[13:08] <nerdcore> kreyren: I just tried this, since you have me curious. :) It produces two SERIOUS warnings about this being critical system software and probably a very bad idea and the default answer to continue is no longer "Yes" but would need to type a confirmation response "Yes, do as I say!" in order for apt to remove itself: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hCRTt94V7h/
[13:08] <arpad2> tomreyn: hmm, I think bios, uefi is disabled
[13:08] <nerdcore> kreyren: apt is not considered Optional software in the Ubuntu system.
[13:08] <kreyren> nerdcore: perfect ty
[13:09] <kreyren> nerdcore: is there a way for apt to install packages on non-debian system? alike `ROOT=PATH emerge portage` will install portage on PATH
[13:09] <nerdcore> kreyren: so I guess you could `sudo apt remove apt` but it is a *very* BAD IDEA and not recommended.
[13:11] <kreyren> nerdcore: noted perfect ty :3 about that ROOT variable?
[13:11] <kreyren> alike change root directory for apt
[13:11] <nerdcore> kreyren: I'm not familiar with portage. Would that command unpack the software into 'PATH' instead of '/'?
[13:12] <kreyren> nerdcore: correct
[13:14] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, ok. I now have the 16.04.5 ISO, 18.04.2 ISO and USB storage device. Step 1 on that link tells me to boot the Ubuntu Live CD... which I don't have.
[13:14] <nerdcore> alpha: what version? There are many ways to potentially configure network interfaces such as /etc/network/interfaces or NetworkManager or maybe something else in kubuntu
[13:15] <alpha> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y4cXywc7XY/ <- uname -a
[13:15] <alpha> Kubuntu 18.04
[13:16] <alpha> I only use the GUI method for using this
[13:16] <tomreyn> arpad2: in a VM, the torrent-downloaded 18.10 amd64 image starts fine for me in bios mode, both using the installer and entering the live system.
[13:16] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, thanks
[13:16] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, am I writing the 16.04 or 18.04 installer to the external storage, and which Ubuntu utility should I use to write it to the device?
[13:17] <alpha> nerdcore: There is something interesting in /etc/network/interfaces > http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tq9vjRgswV/ . No enp4s0 in interfaces
[13:18] <nerdcore> kreyren: for that you might want to look at dpkg instead of apt. dpkg is the more "raw" package manager on the command line. Seems `dpkg-deb -X` might be what you are looking for.
[13:18] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: personally i like etcher, but any other utility which can create installers from ISO files should work, too. as i previously stated "the default ubuntu image writer is usb-creator-gtk for gnome/gtk based desktops, usb-creator-qt for kde / qt based desktops."
[13:19] <kreyren> nerdcore: dpkg-deb -X to remove package correct?
[13:19] <nerdcore> kreyren: no for unpacking elsewhere
[13:20] <alpha> BlackDalek: use dd https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal on Linux and Universal USB Installer if on windows.
[13:20] <tomreyn> arpad2: the torrented xubuntu 18.04.2 amd64 ISO also starts fine for me in bios mode, both using the installer and entering the live system.
[13:20] <arpad2> tomreyn: thank you for checking it for me!
[13:20] <tomreyn> arpad2: so this suggests it is hardware / driver / firmware related.
[13:20] <nerdcore> kreyren: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/dpkg.1.html
[13:20] <tomreyn> arpad2: you're welcome.
[13:20] <kreyren> nerdcore: i see. Will it install package dependencies too?
[13:21] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, so I will have to take the laptop to get repaired
[13:21] <tomreyn> arpad2: that's a bit far fetched, i'd say
[13:21] <nerdcore> kreyren: no. dpkg operates on .deb files. It is not aware of package repositories in order to satisfy dependencies
[13:21] <tomreyn> arpad2: do you have any other reasons to assume it is in any way broken?
[13:21] <me80iq> Hi. I have a laptop with an hdmi port. When I plug in an external monitor, nothing happens. xrandr does not even list the HDMI port. What do?
[13:22] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, the USB storage I am writing to is not a flash drive or other solid state but an actual 3.5 inch hard drive. Will etcher still work with that?
[13:23] <TabMasher> I have a series of JPG/PNG images that I want to compile into a video file (avi, mp4, mkv) in Ubuntu?  I've tried Openshot but it won't accept still images as video frames.
[13:23] <tomreyn> me80iq: try a different cable, see what "dmesg -w" (keep it running) reports when you attach the external monitor
[13:23] <kreyren> nerdcore: noted, thanks very helpful.
[13:23] <arpad2> tomreyn: no, but there must be a reason why it is not working, during installation there were some I/O merror messages shown, so either the optical drive is faulty or possibly the motherboard, because pendrive fails as well, so I don't know what to do next
[13:23] <tomreyn> me80iq: you can later cancel "dmesg -w" by pressing ctrl-c
[13:23] <me80iq> tomreyn: I've tried 2, but I also have to use it with an hdmi to display port adapter
[13:24] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: i haven't ried this, but don't see why not.
[13:24] <tomreyn> *tried
[13:24] <me80iq> tomreyn: also in xrandr, it doesn't say "HDMI-1 disconnected" It's not even listed. The only listing are the build in screen and 2 disconnected display ports. I'll try your suggestion now
[13:25] <me80iq> tomreyn: No messages from "dmesg -w"
[13:25] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: you might need to enable "unsafe mode" in settings, in case the disk is not listed. but be very careful to pick the right storage then
[13:26] <nerdcore> alpha: I'm not very good with the GUI things to be honest. I'm not sure whether you would be using NetworkManager or netplan or some other system to manage interfaces.
[13:26] <alpha> nerdcore: What do you suggest then ?
[13:26] <tomreyn> arpad2: you get those i/o errors also wehn booting off the usb stick?
[13:27] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I downloaded etcher from the balena website. the extracted file has an extension .appimage ??? I've never seen this before. How do I install this?
[13:28] <arpad2> tomreyn: I think no, it just stopped or freezed during installation
[13:28] <tomreyn> arpad2: it could be an issue withthe storage controller indeed then. but this, too, is just a guess really. maybe try to update your bios, and reset it to defaults, then to uefi, and the disk mode to AHCI (not RAID, in case it defaults to that) then try booting from there.
[13:28] <nerdcore> alpha: 1. Keep asking, maybe some else knows ;) 2. See if you get errors in /var/log/syslog or `dmesg` related to enp4s0 after resume from suspend. 3. Try a manual `sudo dhclient enp4s0` to try to pick up a DHCP addr manually.
[13:28] <Bluerate>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Bluerate wymmjnptmvud
[13:29] <alpha> nerdcore: Thanks buddy. Will check
[13:29] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, I'll try that , thanks
[13:30] <tomreyn> arpad2: if you have ethernet networking (not just wireless) you can also do a server installation, which has a higher chance of ausseeding, since both the image is smaller and the installer is non -graphical.
[13:30] <arpad2> tomreyn: yes, internet is through ethernet
[13:30] <tomreyn> me80iq: hmm so the HDMI connector is not detected. did you say you have intel graphics there?
[13:31] <alpha> nerdcore: would you like to see these logs ?
[13:31] <me80iq> tomreyn: I have an optimus laptop. I just checked and the external monitor doens't owrk on windows either :/
[13:31] <nerdcore> alpha: sure but I'll be leaving for work in the next hour or so :)
[13:31] <me80iq> tomreyn:  I tried running xrandr with both the nvidia card as primairy gpu and intel card as primary gpu
[13:32] <alpha> nerdcore: sure if you have time. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qNCjWWRvJD/
[13:34] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, never mind. I just clicked it and it ran. The etcher app started.
[13:36] <qwebirc15375> Hello, does anyone has tried to configure a  mesh network in ubuntu?
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc15375: That would be a better question for ##networking
[13:37] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, Etcher did complain that my external device was "too large", but I told it to go ahead anyway. It is "flashing" my external HDD.
[13:37] <tomreyn> arpad2: here's something else you can try: boot off the 18.04.2 again. keep hitting shift or escape when it shws those 2 icons on the bottom.
[13:38] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok
[13:39] <BlackDalek> tomreyn. The external drive now has successfully got the 16.04 installer ISO on it.
[13:39] <tomreyn> arpad2: use cursor keys to select your language and press enter to confirm. press f6, press escape. you now have a single line on screen where you can input text.
[13:39] <tomreyn> arpad2: before the trailing dashes, type "recovery" (without quotation marks), then press enter
[13:40] <qwebirc15375> pragmaticenigma thank you!
[13:40] <nerdcore> alpha: Maybe hardware or driver issue? what is the model of the card?
[13:41] <tomreyn> arpad2: it should then boot to a blue backgroun text menu. once there, select the "network" option, then the "root" option, and press enter for maintenance.
[13:42] <tomreyn> arpad2: if you have a no english loacale, type "loadkeys XX" where XX is your two character country locale, e.g. 'us' for USA.
[13:42] <alpha> nerdcore: Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
[13:44] <TabMasher> I have a series of JPG/PNG images that I want to compile into a video file (avi, mp4, mkv) in Ubuntu?  I've tried Openshot but it won't accept still images as video frames.  Any help please.
[13:44] <arpad2> tomreyn: or 'uk' for UK
[13:44] <tomreyn> arpad2: right. this may output warnings, but should actually still work. you can repeat it if needed. then use "ping -c1 1.1.1.1" and "ping -c1 one.one.one.one" to test network connectivity.
[13:44] <tarzeau> TabMasher: try another video editor?
[13:45] <tarzeau> TabMasher: gif doesn't count as video file?
[13:45] <nerdcore> alpha: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029250/ubuntu-18-04-ethernet-disconnected-after-suspend
[13:45] <rapidwave> How do I fix so videos will play sound? I have system sounds, but no video sounds
[13:45] <rapidwave> I'm using Bionic
[13:45] <BlackDalek> Does anyone in here remember how to get a 2007 mac mini to boot from USB?
[13:45] <rapidwave> Umm...shouldn't you be asking in #macos?
[13:46] <TabMasher> tar: No, gifs are not video files, they have limited animation in the format.
[13:46] <nerdcore> BlackDalek: hold Option ?
[13:46] <alpha> nerdcore: thanks looking into it.
[13:47] <TabMasher> Anyone suggest video editing software?  I was hoping there would be something like cmd line utility for compiling static images into a video file format.
[13:47] <pragmaticenigma> TabMasher: Sounds like you need to research another video editor then. One that meets your needs. You can ask in #ubuntu-offtopic for recommendations, this channel is dedicated to support
[13:47] <nerdcore> alpha: I suspect you have a driver-related issue. The bug report linked there is very long, with latest post date 2019-01-18 (a month ago) so I suspect this is a known issue and being worked on. Frustrating, but you may need a workaround until the driver gets fixed upstream.
[13:48] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok
[13:48] <nerdcore> TabMasher: ffmpeg might be able to do that
[13:48] <bindi> TabMasher: try googling for "ffmpeg" and "combine images"
[13:48] <tarzeau> TabMasher: olive-editor? flowblade? shotcut?
[13:49] <alpha> nerdcore: thanks. Let's see what happens.
[13:49] <tomreyn> arpad2: so pinging succeeded?
[13:49] <tomreyn> arpad2: does it say "0%" packet loss to the end?
[13:50] <TabMasher> nerdcore: bindi: tarzeau: Thank you for the suggestions.
[13:50] <arpad2> tomreyn: no, I am just writing down what you were writing , I am writing from the troubled machine actually. can try to connect here with android phone and then to start it
[13:52] <tomreyn> arpad2: oh i was thinking the tourbled machine doesn't even start
[13:53] <alpha> nerdcore: just for increasing my troubleshooting abilities how do I use ubuntu's bug portal ?
[13:53] <pragmaticenigma> !bugreport
[13:53] <arpad2> tomreyn: it boots
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> !bugs | alpha
[13:54] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, sorry. But it seems it is impossible for the macmini1,2 to boot from a USB device :( I tried holding down option (alt) key but it is still just loading the grub menu from the internal disk. It may only be possible to boot it form an optical disk.
[13:54] <BlackDalek> from*
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: Are you using one of the older generation MacMinis?
[13:56] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, it's the model macmini1,2 with Apple's boot crippling 32-bit UEFI/64-bit OS setup. I seem to remember having a lot of trouble trying to make it boot from USB in the past.
[13:57] <lolaso> hola
[13:57] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, I don't think I ever successfully made it work.
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> !es | lolaso
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: i recently tested 18.04 on a macbook without any issues
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: I don't know what that means, I asked if this is the older version of the macmini or the one just released?
[13:58] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, the older 2007 (identified by the model number macmini1,2)
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: did you press the key combo to boot usb? can you choose live mode?
[13:59] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, sorry.. 2,1... not 1,2
[14:00] <tomreyn> arpad2: i just tried what i suggested you do from the xubuntu 18.04.2 amd64 live iso, for some reason bringing up the network failed. i had to bring up the ethernet interface manually. to do so, i looked for its name first. "ip l" would provide this name. then i ran "ip link set dev enp0s3 up" ("enp0s3" is the name of my interface form the first command). it took a bit to settle, but then "ip a" listed an ip address on this interface, and i
[14:00] <tomreyn> could ping 1.1.1.1. pinging one.one.one.one would not work until i did " rm /etc/resolv.conf; echo nameserver 1.1.1.1 > /etc/resolv.conf ".
[14:00] <nerdcore> BlackDalek: Since GRUB loads, what about reconfiguring GRUB on the HDD to have a USB option? https://askubuntu.com/questions/344125/how-to-add-a-grub2-menu-entry-for-booting-installed-ubuntu-on-a-usb-drive
[14:00] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: sorry, i really need to leave, hope one of the thers can help.
[14:01] <BlackDalek> lotuspsychje, I think the key to choose boot device on this mac is "option".. but it refuses to boot from the external USB device.
[14:01] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, no worries. Thanks for trying
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: that super+f i think to boot usb
[14:02] <BlackDalek> lotuspsychje, so that's the windows logo key + F? I will give that a go... hold on..
[14:02] <tomreyn> arpad2: once you are there and got the internet working, you can run " dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 " which whould return a URL you can post here. this is your boot log, reviewing it should enable others to suggest what else you may try. i need to leave for now, but should be bakc in an hour.
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: not the windows logo, that mac style logo
[14:03] <nerdcore> BlackDalek: a friend was having similar issues with a mac laptop of that same era I believe. Have you tried 32-bit installer? My friend said he had no luck with 64-bit boot for some reason, despite CPU being x86_64 :(
[14:03] <alpha> nerdcore: I am using r8168 driver the instruction seems to be for r8169 .
[14:04] <alpha> Will there be a difference ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dCfmHdbtj5/
[14:04] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, thanks, so this is about installing from a server?
[14:05] <nerdcore> alpha: I'm no Realtek expert, but usually drivers provide functionality for a range of model #s. Since those are very close I suspect it might be the same driver or similar issue.
[14:05] <BlackDalek> lotuspsychje, you mean the apple's "command" key ("Ctrl" on a PC)
[14:05] <alpha> nerdcore: Noted. Thanks.
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: yes
[14:07] <tomreyn> arpad2: no, this is just to get a log of your boot process, to get a better idea of whether there may be a hardware issue - or just something else entirely. you can still download a server iso, write it to a usb attached storage or or dvd, boot off it, install, and then once installation is complete and it booted into it, just install the "xubuntu-desktop" package.
[14:07] <BlackDalek> lotuspsychje, ok. That still failed to bring anything useful up. BAck at the grub menu from internal disk again.
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: you sure your usb is burned well?
[14:07] <tomreyn> arpad2 / arpad22: see above, ttyl
[14:07] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, so now I will start what you suggested, thanks
[14:08] <nerdcore> BlackDalek: just let grub load, then tell it to boot the USB ;)
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: Have you seen this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mac_mini2-1
[14:08] <donofrio> what is the rsync I should use yo cp from one host to another skipping the logs, javacore, heapdump file directories in demo mode for first time eval before I run the command?
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: That particular unit will not boot from USB
[14:09] <BlackDalek> nerdcore, regarding your friend having issues with the installing a 64bit OS on a mac.. I don't remember exactly how I did it, but I managed to get a 64bit Ubuntu OS to install on it (16.04 LTS), so it is possible.
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio: As you have been told before, this is a support channel for solving Ubuntu software issues. Not for getting help on how to use a command. Look at "man rsync" for help
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> nice find pragmaticenigma
[14:10] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, well that settles it. I'm flogging a dead horse.
[14:10] <donofrio> understood
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: I know some of the information there has to be outdated, as there are no EFI DVD images for 64 bit... but you have to use the server install method
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> *there are now EFI DVD images
[14:11] <OerHeks> donofrio, demo mode ? --dry-run
[14:11] <nerdcore> BlackDalek: I think my friend needed 32-bit EFI setup to boot the 64 bit kernel. Sounds weird :P
[14:12] <pragmaticenigma> I guess one question to ask... is there anything provided by EFI that you must have?
[14:13] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, who? Me?
[14:13] <pragmaticenigma> ya
[14:16] <BlackDalek> pragmaticenigma, All I really wanted to do was recover from a failed do-release-upgrade.... I don't care what kind of boot method the thing uses in the long run. I'm planning on retiring this obsolete hardware soon anyway, but the replacement hardware hasn't arrived yet. At the very least, I'll settle for just extracting a few personal files off the internal disk.
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> BlackDalek: Ah, I see... hopefully that page I sent gives some help in getting you to that goal. Bummer on the release upgrade failing
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: plug the hd out?
[14:17] <BlackDalek> lotuspsychje, that sounds like it might be my only option now.
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: that wiki pragmaticenigma found, says you can boot from netboot too
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: what kind of iso were you testing now?
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think netboot would make the files readily accessable on the drive. Would be alright if the files desired were on a different partition
[14:21] <demetris> hello
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> welcome demetris
[14:21] <BlackDalek> lotuspsychje, I'm not sure how netbooting works. I wasn't really "testing" any ISO. tomreyn was just trying to help me recover the failed upgrade through some method described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure
[14:22] <demetris> after upgrade to 18.04.2 i have no audio adjustment menu on upper panel
[14:22] <demetris> i tried with add to panel but i cant find anything useful
[14:24] <demetris> audio output volume icon is gone after upgrade to 18.04.2
[14:24] <demetris> how i fix this
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> patience | demetris
[14:25] <BlackDalek> I have to leave for sleep now. I won't be able to deal with this issue again until the weekend. Thanks lotuspsychje and pragmaticenigma for your input.
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> demetris: if someone knows what to do, they will help you
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> BlackDalek: good luck!
[14:25] <nerdcore> BlackDalek: if you have another system and firewire cable to connect them, boot holding 'T'
[14:26] <BluesKaj> demetris, try the volume keys on your keyboard
[14:26] <demetris> they work ok
[14:26] <demetris> i just need the audio applet back on the panel
[14:27] <demetris> volume-control-applet
[14:27] <BluesKaj> ok, so we know the audio driver is working
[14:27] <demetris> yes it is
[14:29] <demetris> this is annoying
[14:30] <arpad22> tomreyn: for me the ping works fine in recovery
[14:30] <BluesKaj> demetris, try the 2nd answer here,  https://askubuntu.com/questions/227240/missing-sound-volume-applet
[14:33] <noway96> what's a good json parsing library? I have a very basic json that I want to parse: {"key": "value", "num": 10}
[14:33] <Cheez> jq
[14:34] <Cheez> i mean you say library, jq will do it on the command line if that's what you want
[14:34] <arpad22> tomreyn: though the "loadkeys uk" gives message can not find file
[14:34] <Cheez> if you mean language library, you need to specify the language you're after
[14:34] <Cheez> https://stedolan.github.io/jq/
[14:35] <nerdcore> I've also used `jshon` but jq looks like it might be much nicer :)
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> noway96: A better channel to ask those questions is #ubuntu-app-devel ... this channel is focused on supporting software and installation issues for ubuntu.
[14:36] <demetris> @BluesKaj nothing changed
[14:37] <noway96> woops, I thought I was on c++
[14:37] <Cheez> i use jq extensively in our CI processes for library packages. read the manifests with jq and push the appropriate details into artifactory. jq seems pretty rock solid to me, but i've not tried jshon
[14:37] <demetris> i will stick to keyboard presses i guess
[14:37] <demetris> ty
[14:37] <BluesKaj> demetris, did you try a reboot
[14:38] <demetris> no
[14:38] <demetris> can i log out and in?
[14:38] <arpad22> tomreyn: I have the URL
[14:38] <BluesKaj> not sure
[14:38] <nerdcore> Cheez: last commit was one year ago https://github.com/keenerd/jshon
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> demetris: A log off and on may work... but a reboot would make sure it's not a system hang somewhere deeper
[14:40] <BluesKaj> pragmaticenigma, yeah, relogins seldom work IME
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> I have to run... but I would also suggest that demetris try adding a new user account and see if that account has the same issue
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> if that hasn't already been done
[14:43] <arpad22> tomreyn: the first time I wanted to boot to recovery, I missed type and the system booted the live session, however once I wanted to open a browser or do a restart a system error message was showing I/O error
[14:48] <donofrio> OerHeks, tnx
[14:54] <mra90> when I do ./program I get error message command not found..what si wrong
[14:54] <mra90> the program is there
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> mra90: start from the beginning please, what are you trying to do, wich program?
[14:59] <tomreyn> arpad22: oh that would have been loadkeys gb, i think. not certain, though.
[15:00] <tomreyn> feel free to post it here. <arpad22> tomreyn: I have the URL
[15:00] <rebabi> What is the difference between Snap and APT? Why some packages are not available in APT. For example to install Discord I've used Snap. What is snap exactly? Why do I need it?
[15:00] <arpad22> tomreyn: ok, do you need the URL?
[15:01] <arpad22> ok
[15:01] <tomreyn> arpad22: well only if you want me to review your log and maybe identify the cause of your issues.
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> !snap | rebabi
[15:02] <ryuo> rebabi: it's basically a container that creates a parallel environment to hold certain packages.
[15:02] <zebulon99x> Hey everyone, I'm having an issue doing a netboot install of 16.04. Looks like I'm getting a segfault with libc-2.23. Retrieved from libc6-udeb_2.23-0ubuntu11. Has anyone seen this issue before?
[15:02] <tomreyn> arpad22: but, yes, producing this log was the goal of the exercise
[15:02] <arpad22> tomreyn: of course I want, thanks Https://termbin.com/i1oj
[15:03] <lordcirth__> How does one submit a new factoid to ubottu? Is there a procedure?
[15:04] <tomreyn> arpad22: boot the installer again, bring up the early grub menu (with the F-keys) again and press the down cursor key until you got the option to run a memory test.
[15:05] <tomreyn> lordcirth__: let's talk in #ubuntu-discuss
[15:07] <arpad22> tomreyn: so to restart the system and to boot into the live session? how to get the early grub menu?
[15:10] <tomreyn> arpad22: dont go into the live session, you need to press shift or escape early on when those bottom icons show.
[15:10] <tomreyn> arpad22: there you can choose to do a memory test.
[15:11] <rapidwave> Figured out sound. It was set for HDMI and I don't have HDMI connected anymore.
[15:11] <arpad22> tomreyn: ok, thanks
[15:13] <Euph0ria> /nickserv identify $aturn55!
[15:13] <tomreyn> arpad22: according to your log your cpu runs somewhat hot, be sure to make enough room for airflow.
[15:13] <tomreyn> Euph0ria: you need a new nickserv password, but this one was bad anyways
[15:13] <lordcirth__> Euph0ria, you just posted that to channel
[15:14] <lordcirth__> Always enter your password in the 'freenode' tab, so it won't be sent anywhere, and yeah, generate a better password.
[15:15] <arpad22> tomreyn: ok, thanks. so it's working? :) (the logging)
[15:17] <qsrmvt> hey, so... probably a dunce question, but: how am i supposed to place a preseed file on the usb installer if the usb installer shows as read-only? there's no hardware switch, and neither remount nor hdparm fix the read-only issue
[15:18] <lordcirth__> qsrmvt, where exactly are you seeing that it's read-only?
[15:18] <qsrmvt> when i mount it
[15:19] <OerHeks> put it on a persistence part?
[15:19] <qsrmvt> ...what?
[15:19] <ioria> qsrmvt, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso
[15:20] <qsrmvt> so i *have* to extract and remaster the iso?
[15:21] <lordcirth__> ISO9660 is a read-only filesystem
[15:21] <OerHeks> correct, and build it again with  mkisofs
[15:21] <qsrmvt> that's unpleasant
[15:21] <tomreyn> arpad22: i've been reading the log, mostly done. there are some ACPI issues about the nvidia card (search the web for "PCI0.PEG0.PEGP: failed to evaluate _DSM"). you have an "optimus" hardware, with muxless graphics switching (a technologically terrible but slightly cheaper solution).
[15:22] <qsrmvt> can i maybe stick it in the efi partition and reference that from the boot parms?
[15:22] <tomreyn> arpad22: no I/O errors are to be seen, though
[15:23] <qsrmvt> because i imagine i'm going to have to tweak the preseed a good number of times before it's correct, and remastering the iso and re'burning' it each time is going to be a massive pita
[15:23] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb#Persistent_live_systems
[15:23] <arpad22> tomreyn: ok, thanks 🙂 that's good news I guess
[15:24] <Euph0ria> /nickserv identify s5ElYsqx8CGCLDUYgPLvqvSYPTivxyn+
[15:24] <tomreyn> arpad22: if you disable switchable graphics in bios, or use !nomodeset to boot the installer, i assume the installation can succeed.
[15:24] <qsrmvt> OerHeks: i don't have mkusb available on my system (i'm not running ubuntu)
[15:25] <tomreyn> Euph0ria: better password, but still posted on the channel
[15:26] <tomreyn> Euph0ria: consider adding more special characters, too.
[15:26] <arpad22> tomreyn: ok, thanks. I can do nomodeset from where I entered recovery
[15:26] <tomreyn> arpad22: right. did the memtest show any errors?
[15:28] <arpad22> tomreyn: it's still going on, so far pass 49%
[15:29] <tomreyn> arpad22: keep it going. if it reaches 100% and there's nothing printed in red on the screen you shoould be good about memory. i think it does 4 x 100% Pass by default. so feel free to keep it do a full run at night (but that's really needed if it works ok)
[15:31] <heftig> how much spam or other abusive behavior from unregistered users do you get here?
[15:31] <tomreyn> arpad22: so i auspect this issue is really just about the nvidia chipset and graphics switching. if these workarounds don't help, it would be nice to see a screen shot (or just a photo, taken by a smartphone or similar) of those errors.
[15:32] <OerHeks> heftig, if you encounter such spam, please join #ubuntu-ops, thanks
[15:32] <tomreyn> heftig: please ask in #ubuntu-ops, this is OT on this ubuntu support-only channel
[15:32] <arpad22> tomreyn: ok, and after the memtest to boot into live session with nomodeset?
[15:32] <tomreyn> !nomodeset | arpad22
[15:33] <tomreyn> arpad22: i suggest you just try to boot with nomodeset (the same approach as we did for "recovery" earlier really) into the installer and install if it works then.
[15:35] <arpad22> tomreyn: ok, thanks, I will do that on Pass 100%. thank you very much for your time and effort helping me!
[15:36] <tomreyn> arpad22: you'Re welcome, good luck.
[15:37] <Joe_from_next_do> Hi I tried installing Ubuntu 18.10 alongside Windows and after that completed, it just gave me a "minimal grub shell" or something like that. Is that a known issue?
[15:37] <Joe_from_next_do> I used the "install updates during installation" option and I use UEFI
[15:38] <arpad22> tomreyn: one more question, where can we learn how to understand those logfiles ? that was really amazing!
[15:39] <tomreyn> arpad22: i'm afraid i don't really know, i don'T claim to fully understand them, but can interpret some of it, thanks to reading several and reading up on common errors which come uo.
[15:40] <billel> hello
[15:41] <tomreyn> arpad22: usually it will say "error" or "fail" or at least "warn" (though warnings may need to be ignored, since they can be irrelevant), and then you search this message on the web, and maybe get to understand more on what went wrong.
[15:45] <arpad22> tomreyn: ok, thanks.
[15:51] <tomreyn> Joe_from_next_do: hmm sorry to hear this. it's not an issue i'm aware of. are you still able to boot into windows then?
[15:52] <Joe_from_next_do> tomreyn: yes because it's UEFI I just hit the F12 key during startup and chose Windows
[15:52] <tomreyn> Joe_from_next_do: also, did you change settings in bios before installing ubuntu?
[15:53] <Joe_from_next_do> I haven't changed any BIOS settings
[15:54] <Joe_from_next_do> tomreyn: I did just remove the 18.10 partition in Disk Manager and put Ubuntu 18.04 on the flash drive and will try that out. Will report back in 30 minutes or so!
[15:55] <arpad22> tomreyn: live running with nomodeset
[15:55] <tomreyn> Joe_from_next_do: good, so at least you're still able to work. i suggest you retry with ubuntu 18.04.2, which has many bug fixes and was just released - it comes with slightly older software than 18.10, but, being a long-term support release, usually gets the most attention for bug fixes (at least the installer gets more than that of 18.10, which is from october).
[15:55] <tomreyn> arpad22: so that's working well so far?
[15:56] <arpad22> tomreyn: yes, running from pendrive, I might try it from DVD as well.
[16:00] <trafaret1> hi comrades
[16:00] <trafaret1> can anybody helpe me. how to switching between windows the same app?
[16:01] <trafaret1> I use Alt-Shift but it doesn't work. It switch between apps not windows
[16:01] <trafaret1> sorry Alt-Tab
[16:02] <CookieM> try alt+`
[16:02] <CookieM> above tab
[16:02] <OerHeks> systemsettings > devices > keyboard, all the short keys > shift+super + up/down and many more
[16:05] <OerHeks> or print the cheat sheet https://www.cheatography.com/frieser/cheat-sheets/gnome/
[16:05] <nerdcore> what is the default WM in Bionic?
[16:07] <blackflow> nerdcore: Mutter of GNOME. Running under GNOME.
[16:07] <trafaret1> thanks Alt + ~ works
[16:08] <tomreyn> arpad22: either should be fine, just install then. you will probably run into the same issue again after installing, but can work around it once by booting (the readily installed system) into the recovery menu, and then just choose to continue from there with out selecting any of th eother options. once there, you can add the 'nomodeset' option permanently as described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters#Permanently_Add_a_Kerne
[16:08] <tomreyn> l_Boot_Parameter
[16:08] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters#Permanently_Add_a_Kerne
[16:08] <tomreyn> and again, sorry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters#Permanently_Add_a_Kernel_Boot_Parameter
[16:15] <arpad22> tomreyn: live dvd is also working with nomodeset
[16:17] <mojtaba> Hello, I have Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and I am trying to update nodejs. When I type n stable, it gives me error and says sudo is required, but when I use sudo n stable it says command not found. Do you know what should I do?
[16:19] <tonyt> probly wont help but wont hurt to try. type su to see if you cant get to the root prompt then apt-get install sudo
[16:19] <blackflow> mojtaba: sounds like your PATH might be messed up. use absolute paths
[16:19] <mojtaba> blackflow: How should I use absolute path? I am juts trying to run this command: sudo n stable.
[16:19] <mojtaba> What should I type instead?
[16:19] <blackflow> what is `n`?
[16:20] <mojtaba> blackflow: I am following this instruction https://www.hostingadvice.com/how-to/update-node-js-latest-version/ to update nodejs.
[16:20] <mojtaba> probably nodejs
[16:21] <blackflow> mojtaba: well this `n` command must have some full path to it. try  `which n`
[16:21] <mojtaba> blackflow: I see, I found the path.
[16:21] <mojtaba> just a sec
[16:22] <mojtaba> blackflow: thanks it is now working.
[16:22] <Joe_from_next_do> I just wrote that I was going to go install Ubuntu 18.04 to see if that worked since 18.10 didn't work. And I am back and typing from Ubuntu! That one did work so that's nice
[16:26] <xenoix> clear
[16:26] <xenoix> Woops, damm slashes
[16:32] <jwash> hi everyone, my system has lasted a few years now and done the upgrade to 16.04 from 14.04 and lasted for a year. in the past week I've lost almost all audio. Pulseaudio is dead, but when I do "speaker-test --channels 2 --rate 48000 --device hw:1,3" I hear sound correctly.
[16:32] <jwash> how do i assign all audio output to 1,3?
[16:36] <shqip> jwash try reinstalling pulseaudio this may fix your issue
[16:37] <tomreyn> arpad22: so just install
[16:39] <arpad22> tomreyn: I will try to install it on the same partition as the current broken is, so I might keep my settings in place, but would that bring me an error free system?
[16:42] <jwash> $ pulseaudio --start
[16:42] <jwash> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.
[16:42] <jwash> after reinstall
[16:43] <OerHeks> pulseaudio should start automatic, and respawn
[16:44] <tomreyn> arpad22: this will delete all your data, dont do it.
[16:45] <tomreyn> arpad22: can you remind me what was the error that drove you to want to reinstall?
[16:46] <arpad22> software rendering only, installed video drivers not in use
[16:46] <arpad22> no audio
[16:47] <arpad22> slow system
[16:47] <arpad22> live system is much faster than the current installed one
[16:49] <tomreyn> arpad22: slow system is probably because it's old and low-cost hardware (clevo is a low price segment brand). but then if the live system is faster it rather suggests there is an issue with the hard disk. maybe that's where the i/O errors came from. check it (from the live system) using smartmon tools.
[16:49] <tomreyn> !smart | arpad22
[16:49] <tomreyn> arpad22: if replacing the whole system won't happen soon, you should definitely replace the disk by an ssd.
[16:50] <tomreyn> arpad22: or better yet, keep the disk and replace the dvd drive by an ssd, if possible.
[16:51] <tomreyn> arpad22: about the no audio issue, it'S the first time you mention it, i think, all i could suggest there is the latest LTS release (18.04).
[16:51] <tomreyn> !audio | arpad22
[16:52] <arpad22> tomreyn: Initially, the system was working fine, but the Steam didn't use the video card, so I wanted to use it, but by various online tutorials I almost completely killed the system. I think in 17.04 or 10 version the card was working fine.
[16:52] <tomreyn> arpad22: about software rendering only: nouveau does hardware rendering. it just doesn't do it too well. and your graphics chipset may be too old for proprietary drivers. i'm not sure there, i'm not that much into nvidia.
[16:53] <plasticfish> How to make a debian package for a program in a language that is not installed?
[16:53] <tomreyn> arpad22: so if audio works on the 18.04.2 live system, it should also work in the installed system.
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> elaborate your end goal and details to the channel plasticfish
[16:54] <plasticfish> I want to make an app in Julia + Gtk
[16:55] <arpad22> tomreyn: yes, I hope so
[16:55] <plasticfish> but Julia has no package
[16:55] <tomreyn> plasticfish: /join #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> plasticfish: seems like there's a julia snap, can that help?
[16:59] <plasticfish> lotuspsychje, that snap is a limited version of the Julia REPL
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> plasticfish: talk to the developer perhaps?
[17:00] <plasticfish> and it's outdated
[17:00] <plasticfish> there are currently two julia language snaps but they are also outdated
[17:01] <plasticfish> and all they do is download from the Julia site
[17:01] <plasticfish> the tar.gz (I think)
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> just trying to widen your options plasticfish
[17:02] <plasticfish> lotuspsychje, I appreciate that
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> !info julia cosmic | plasticfish
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> plasticfish: and 1.0.3+dfsg-4 on 19.04
[17:07] <plasticfish> lotuspsychje, yes but those are not in a version with 10 years support
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> plasticfish: yeah not sure this was skipped on 18.04...
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> why
[17:09] <jwash> OerHeks, it didn't
[17:11] <plasticfish> lotuspsychje, probably there was no stable Julia at the time of 18.04 launch, but there is now.
[17:27] <naptastic> I want to turn my screen sideways using xrandr. (I can do it with the "displays" app but since the mouse controls don't rotate, I'd really rather do it from the CLI.)
[17:28] <naptastic> The problem is that I can find no correct value for --display. It indicates that DP-2 is my display, but I've tried DP-2, DP2, 0, :0, 0:, and all of them say "Can't open display ___".
[17:28] <naptastic> Ok, fine, I'm invoking it incorrectly. What's the correct invocation?
[17:29] <dixi> Kow
[17:29] <dixi> exit
[17:31] <naptastic> (Google a million things. Ask in IRC. Google one more thing. Find the answer. Use --display instead of --output. Guh.)
[17:33] <EriC^^> naptastic: it sounds like you're using xrandr from a non Xorg terminal
[17:33] <arpad22> tomreyn: the newly installed system is again slow, much slower than the live
[17:33] <EriC^^> naptastic: hmm nevermind if xrandr -q works then it must not be the case
[17:34] <EriC^^> naptastic: anyhow try maybe setting "export DISPLAY=:0" in the terminal before running the command
[17:35] <naptastic> EriC^^, yeah I did figure it out. I wish I could get DPI settings working too, but I've given up on that. I'm just going to patch my kernel so every screen always reads as 96 DPI.
[17:36] <naptastic> EriC^^, thanks for the help though :)
[17:44] <dami0> hi, i want to password protect grub, but only from modifications. is that possible?
[17:47] <blackflow> dami0: only with encryped /boot
[17:47] <federico> i nomadi
[17:49] <SrPx> hi
[17:49] <SrPx> i want to install ubuntu in a very old eee pc, a 32 bit netbook
[17:49] <dami0> blackflow sorry, i meant the grub menu, not the actual files. i want the system to auto-boot as normal, but have a password protect modifications to the actual menu item
[17:49] <SrPx> i want it to encrypt the filesystem
[17:49] <SrPx> the download link on the site says it cant encrypt
[17:50] <SrPx> where do i find the right installer for that
[17:51] <blackflow> dami0: I guess you're looking for this then: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords
[17:52] <dami0> blackflow i've been looking at it, but i'm having trouble making out what it says
[17:52] <blackflow> SrPx: what download link on what site. LUKS+LVM has been an option for the installer for long time now
[17:53] <blackflow> SrPx: however, you won't be able to install Bionic, there's no 32-bit installation media, so start with 16.04, you can upgrade after installation.
[17:53] <SrPx> This release uses our new installer, Subiquity. If you need support for options not implemented in Subiquity, such as encrypted filesystem support, the traditional installer can be found on the alternative downloads page.
[17:53] <SrPx> blackflow: i couldnt find the right installer on the alternative page
[17:53] <SrPx> just not sure what is the right one
[17:53] <lordcirth__> SrPx, Xubuntu does have an 18.04 ISO, and will run faster on such old hardware: https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/
[17:54] <SrPx> thanks!!
[17:54] <blackflow> lordcirth__: 32-bit?
[17:54] <lordcirth__> Yes
[17:54] <lordcirth__> I doubt they will do it for 20.04, but Xubuntu + Lubuntu are doing 32bit support for 18.04
[17:54] <blackflow> oh, I see. yes. yeah definitely better than gnome for EEE
[17:55] <dami0> blackflow bumbled my way to success anyway, thanks for the help xD
[17:55] <ryuo> SrPx: really? there's a new installer already?
[17:56] <blackflow> ryuo: for 18.04? like, for almost a year now?
[17:56] <SrPx> lordcirth__: just to be sure, the 32 bit version on that site encrypts the hd and has no UI (i just need a terminal to use offline node.js tools)
[17:56] <blackflow> or are you talking about subiquity?
[17:56] <ryuo> yes?
[17:57] <lordcirth__> SrPx, it should work
[17:57] <SrPx> ryuo im trying to understand
[17:57] <blackflow> ryuo: yes.
[17:57] <SrPx> cool, ty!!
[17:57] <ryuo> i've only ever used "ubiquity". it's now considered legacy?
[17:57] <ryuo> huh.
[17:57] <blackflow> subiquity is for servers, new thing, but canonical is already considering to vaporware it with ideas to go electron....
[17:58] <ryuo> ugh. servers don't necessarily have fancy GPUs...
[17:58] <ryuo> what's wrong with ubiquity?
[17:58] <blackflow> people need job security, so...
[17:59] <ryuo> I see. More NIH. Goti t.
[17:59] <ryuo> D:
[17:59] <hggdh> folks, back to topic, please
[18:02] <SrPx> wait but that link is for the version with gui lordcirth__
[18:02] <SrPx> i need 32-bit, no gui, encrypted
[18:03] <lordcirth__> Oh, I see
[18:03] <SrPx> ): still not sure what to download
[18:04] <lordcirth__> blackflow, electron as in the Chrome/JS framework??
[18:11] <blackflow> lordcirth__: yup
[18:12] <lordcirth__> Great, the installer will be bigger than the deb packages
[18:12] <blackflow> bigger than base installation even :)
[18:12] <cek> I've got an external display and an hidpi laptop panel. I usually scale laptop to 200% , but it appears it's scaling external, too, despite set at 100%.
[18:13] <cek> Also, I can't set laptop's resolution to non-native value, 0.5 to get rid of necessity of setting the scaling.
[18:14] <cek> Despite resolution being "set" in settings to 50% of native, it's still running on native, I can feel it.
[18:14] <cek> I saw https://askubuntu.com/questions/393400/is-it-possible-to-have-different-dpi-configurations-for-two-different-screens , but I don't like it.  It appears the things are still buggy.
[18:17] <tomreyn> soething is buggy when a designed, and implemented feature doesn't behave according to its design. this doesn't seem to be the case here.
[18:19] <qwebirc17477> hi
[18:21] <cek> appears several bugs are triggered: 1) display res can't be set on builtin lcd, can only be changed in tandem 2)  no separate scaling possible 3) dpi can't be set per monitor
[18:22] <OerHeks> no seperate scaling, known fact
[18:23] <OerHeks> 'dpi can't be set per monitor' is this true?
[18:24] <OerHeks> https://blog.summercat.com/configuring-mixed-dpi-monitors-with-xrandr.html
[18:25] <tomreyn> SrPx: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso is the only open to install 32-bit 18.04 GUI-less nowadays (other than debootstrap).
[18:25] <tomreyn> s/open/option/
[18:27] <tomreyn> cek: i agree on (1) if that is so.
[18:27] <cek> yeah, sadly windows is way ahead on this
[18:52] <Kaedenn> I have a program that places an icon on the gnome-panel. I'd like to find that pixmap. How can I figure out what/where it is?
[18:52] <Kaedenn> It places it in the notification area
[18:52] <mra90> when I do ./program I get error message command not found..what is wrong?
[18:52] <mra90> the program is there of course
[18:52] <RtMF> mra90: is it +x?
[18:52] <RtMF> and +r?
[18:54] <mra90> RtMF: -rw-r--r-- 1
[18:54] <leftyfb> mra90: chmox +x ./program
[18:54] <leftyfb> er
[18:54] <leftyfb> mra90: chmod +x ./program
[18:55] <leftyfb> sorry, eating a cookie :)
[18:55] <tomreyn> !cookie | here's another, leftyfb
[18:55] <mra90> leftyfb: thanks!
[18:56] <mra90> leftyfb: enjoy your cookie btw ;D
[18:56] <RtMF> yep, chmod +x it should be enough
[18:57]  * RtMF wants a cookie...heads off to spend her last $2-3 (mostly coins) on something baked.'
[18:57] <RtMF> '
[18:57] <RtMF> ...</ocd>
[18:59] <Kaedenn> nvm, after a bit of digging in the dconf editor I found the .desktop file, which gave me the pixmaps directory, and I found the pixmap in there.
[19:08] <mra90> leftyfb: and this +x adds this permission for what goup and why for all, and how to specify?
[19:08] <mra90> ;p
[19:08] <leftyfb> mra90: https://www.pluralsight.com/blog/it-ops/linux-file-permissions
[19:09] <leftyfb> or http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_lts0090.php
[19:09] <mra90> leftyfb: thanks ;)
[19:11] <mra90> leftyfb: I don't get this https://www.pluralsight.com/content/dam/pluralsight/blog/2011/12/linux-file-permissions/wp/img/Linux-File-Permissions-2.jpg
[19:11] <mra90> therey say for r-- read wite exaecute oO
[19:11] <mra90> while this is only read right?
[19:12] <tgm4883> that image appears incorrect
[19:12] <tgm4883> someone messed up the C&P
[19:14] <mra90> and why chmod +x file_name adds x to all grups?
[19:14] <tgm4883> mra90: because that's what +x does. Adds it to all three areas
[19:14] <mra90> what if I want o be specific that only me can execute
[19:15] <tgm4883> Owner, Group, and Others
[19:15] <mra90> chmod 700 then?
[19:15] <tgm4883> mra90: only if you want to remove permissions from group and others
[19:15] <mra90> tgm4883: "all permisions"
[19:15] <mra90> if only execution then i gues chmod 766
[19:16] <tgm4883> mra90: if you just want to add +x to the user, I believe it's 'chmod u+x <file>'
[19:16] <benjamin__> I foget how go to russian channel?
[19:16] <tgm4883> which should add eXecute to the user
[19:16] <tgm4883> !ru | benjamin__
[19:16] <mra90> !de | mra90
[19:28] <Kon-> Is there any way for the public to give feedback on this proposal? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/package-management-default-snap
[19:31] <tgm4883> Kon-: while this is the incorrect channel for that, do you really have technical feedback to give?
[19:40] <Kon-> tgm4883: I think such a radical departure from Debian (and even RHEL's package management) would dramatically increase the workload of Ubuntu maintainers, reduce the number of proprietary vendors supporting Ubuntu, cost Canonical enterprise marketshare, and lead to diminshed community contribution to Ubuntu from those outside Canonical
[19:41] <Kon-> I realize this isn't the best place for this discussion. That's why I asked where the appropriate place might be.
[19:42] <tgm4883> Kon-: so no then?
[19:42] <tgm4883> Kon-: I'm not sure where the best place for discussion on that would be. I haven't seen a mailing list item on it pop-up
[19:42] <tgm4883> I thought you'd be able to discuss it on the blueprint, but I seem to be remembering incorrectly
[19:42] <tgm4883> Kon-: I guess you could ask on ubuntu-devel
[19:42] <tgm4883> mailing list
[19:43] <tgm4883> Kon-: there's also #ubuntu-discuss but that likely wouldn't be with the developers that would be working on it (might be, but I doubt they hang out there)
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> Kon-: Those items are on the level of Canonical development team I believe. Which is not open to community involvement. Where you're most milage is going to be, is to go upstream, towards Debian, which likely has the same item on their agenda, but is community driven
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> Kon-: #ubuntu-discuss is a great place to have discussions related to Ubuntu like your topic
[19:47] <Kon-> pragmaticenigma: Thanks for the heads up. I'll take a look around Debian and see if there's any similar discussion to this. It would be a surprise to me, honestly, given the scale of Debian's involvement with snap relative to Canonical
[19:51] <tgm4883> Kon-: actually, someone else looked into it a bit more than I did and there's likely nowhere that is being discussed
[19:51] <slinket> hello
[19:52] <slinket> I am trying to set up a desktop as a router using ubuntu servver
[19:52] <slinket> for the most part this works, though I will need to make one interface PPPoE later
[19:52] <slinket> but I bridged the two ethernet ports
[19:52] <slinket> right now the upstream side is connected to a DHCP enabled router
[19:52] <slinket> the bridge lets clients downstream of the router obtain an address from upstream
[19:52] <slinket> I am running a dhcp server on the router, but it never assigns IPs, even before the bridge was set up
[19:53] <KOLANICH> Hi everybody. Can anyone explain how does secureboot protects drivers?
[19:54] <KOLANICH> *protect
[19:54] <slinket> it don't
[19:54] <slinket> the kernel can accept signed drivers, and the UEFI firmware may only load a signed kernel (packaged as a UEFI binary)
[19:55] <Kon-> tgm4883: Fair enough, thanks.
[19:55] <KOLANICH> slinket: what prevents a signed kernel from accepting non-signed drivers in secureboot mode?
[19:55] <slinket> as it is packaged now the grub installed by default is signed by default keys *but* the grub can be used to load any unsigned binary you want
[19:56] <slinket> KOLANICH: well it is a kernel option, "only load signed binaries" and the key the signatures are checked against is included in the kernel executable
[19:56] <slinket> err modules
[19:56] <slinket> but if that is not enabled then you're not protected
[19:56] <tgm4883> Kon-: it doesn't appear to be a blueprint with any weight behind it
[19:57] <KOLANICH> slinket: can it be disabled via kernel cmdline?
[19:57] <slinket> you have to be careful, a lot of distros install the kernel source code in a world readable (or writeable) location, so anyone on your system can see the signing secret key
[19:59] <IniGit> hi test
[20:00] <KOLANICH> slinket: IMHO it makes completely no sense to use secureboot with own-signed firmware, if one doesn't have an environment he can trust connected to the internet somehow (otherwise how he is going to get kernel updates?). But if he has such environment, he doesn't need secureboot.
[20:01] <slinket> secureboot is mostly to protect against unsophisticated physical attacks
[20:01] <OerHeks> this own-signed firmware thinking is wrong, there is no such thing for UEFI
[20:01] <slinket> if you encrypt the disks then this becomes less of a problem
[20:02] <slinket> own-signed binaries can exist, firmware not so much, no board I know of allows both UEFI and custom firmware uploads
[20:02] <slinket> although there is no technical reason this is the case
[20:02] <OerHeks> there is MOK utils though
[20:02] <KOLANICH> slinket: doesn't a HSM protect from physical attacks?
[20:02] <slinket> yes and no
[20:02] <slinket> a HSM module protects the info on it
[20:02] <slinket> if I have enough money I can pull it apart and keep it functioning
[20:02] <slinket> it requires a lab
[20:03] <Kon-> tgm4883: Thanks. When I see a task assigned to Mark Shuttleworth, I assumed there had been at least some level of discussion with somebody at some point. I'm happy to be mistaken in this case.
[20:03] <OerHeks> kon 3rd day you talked about this?
[20:03] <tgm4883> Kon-: nope. I could make a blueprint titled "swap apt out and use yum instead" and assign it to mark
[20:04] <Kon-> OerHeks: First time I've mentioned it
[20:04] <OerHeks> no, you did this yesterday too
[20:04] <Kon-> Sure thing
[20:04] <tgm4883> OT
[20:07] <mekhami> i have windows 10 installed, secure boot off, blah blah, installed ubuntu on a partition. when i boot to the linux partition it skips the grub menu and pressing/holding shift didn't bring it up, and also i can't get nvidia drivers to work on it at all. i tried installing 390 and 415 (geforce rtx 2060) and neither of them seemed to register, the display was still extremely slow res and i couldn't see how to
[20:07] <mekhami> fix it.
[20:07] <mekhami> so two problems, any help solving would be nice.
[20:08] <KOLANICH> slinket: thanks. bye.
[20:08] <slinket> srs anyone got tips for setting up ubuntu server based router
[20:09] <slinket> main difference with existing docs is netconf
[20:09] <slinket> sorry, netplan
[20:09] <slinket> I mostly figured that out but dhcpd does not assign addresses
[20:09] <tgm4883> Kon-: for future reference, here's another one assigned to Mark (made by the same guy) that is 8 years old. Showing that the "approver" and "assignee" can be set willy nilly https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-specialized-unity-form-factor
[20:13] <XenophonF> mekhami: maybe try enabling universe, then running `ubuntu-drivers autoinstall`?
[20:14] <OerHeks> mekhami, you got the 415 from driver ppa?
[20:14] <XenophonF> re: boot I can't remember how the EFI version of grub works
[20:24] <nekoseam> How do I remove a ppa with the command line?
[20:25] <leftyfb> nerdcore: ppa-purge @ you'll need to install it
[20:26] <leftyfb> nekoseam: ^
[20:26] <nekoseam> oh I just did the add-apt-repository --remove flag
[20:27] <nekoseam> pretty sure that's fine right?
[20:27] <leftyfb> that won't remove the packages with it like ppa-purge will
[20:28] <OerHeks>  add-apt-repository --remove VS ppa-puge :: ppa-purge reverses packages
[20:28] <mekhami> OerHeks: no i got 415 from the nvidia drivers page
[20:28] <mekhami> XenophonF: not sure what universe is
[20:30] <nekoseam> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu cosmic Release' does not have a Release file.
[20:30] <nekoseam> Warning:  apt-get update failed for some reason
[20:31] <nekoseam> for ppa-purge
[20:31] <nekoseam> i reinstalled the the repository in case I had any packages left but ppa-purge doesn't seem to work(?)
[20:33] <tomreyn> nekoseam: ppa-purge will not succeed in removing a repository which is not suitable for the ubuntu release you are running.
[20:33] <mekhami> OerHeks: i didn't see 415 on the driver ppa
[20:33] <nekoseam> lol then what do i do? is there an easy way to see what packages i have installed from that repository?
[20:34] <ioria> mekhami, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:35] <tomreyn> nekoseam: not that i know of. there's this script which i use *after* removing a repository to identify which packages i need yet to downgrade or purge: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[20:35] <ioria> mekhami, but , ok, your card is too 'big'
[20:36] <mekhami> ?
[20:37] <ioria> mekhami, did you get errors when you used the nvidia .sh ?
[20:37] <mekhami> yes
[20:37] <ioria> .run, i mean
[20:38] <ioria> mekhami, like 'X-Server needs to be disabled before installing the drivers' ?
[20:38] <nekoseam> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu cosmic Release' does not have a Release file.
[20:38] <nekoseam> [ No available version in archive ]
[20:38] <nekoseam> eh? no packages were removed...
[20:38] <jamie_1> hey, im trying to get a emulated cd drive i can hand to vsphere (vmware) any reccomendations
[20:38] <nekoseam> so does this mean I don't have any packages from it?
[20:38] <nekoseam> (using the script you showed me)
[20:38] <OerHeks> that error says you have never installed packages, so you are good
[20:39] <nekoseam> nice. awesome script, I'll keep this around
[20:40] <mekhami> ioria: no it was something else, i don't remember what.
[20:40] <Epx998> Why is apt so slow :D
[20:40] <ioria> mekhami, what ubuntu release ? and can you access the ubuntu box ?
[20:40] <jamie_1> i dont actually have a cd drive not to mention a cd to write and iso to just to hand it to vsphere from ubuntu
[20:41] <nekoseam> Epx998: you want slow? use eopkg
[20:41] <Epx998> What uses that?
[20:41] <nekoseam> solus
[20:41] <mekhami> 18.04, and not right this second but i can in a bit
[20:41] <nekoseam> solus devs made me switch to Ubuntu
[20:42] <tomreyn> nekoseam: this script whose descrition i pointed ouy to doe snot try to remove anything, it only reports packages which peobably shoul dnot be installed. the warning is printed as a result of running "apt-get update", which will continue to print this warning until you remove the bas apt source (which is not compatible with your ubuntu release). note how i pointed out you need to remove this first of all.
[20:42] <Epx998> nekoseam: Looking at it on wiki -> OS family: Unix-like
[20:42] <Epx998> unix...like
[20:43] <tomreyn> nekoseam: i.e. you haven't fixed anything.
[20:45] <nekoseam> tomreyn: actually I never had any packages from that repository installed
[20:46] <tomreyn> so then just remove this apt source and - if installed and specific to this repository - its signing key.
[20:46] <nekoseam> I did
[20:46] <kingsley> Which OCR application would you use to read a table of numbers and alphabetic characters in a .png image?
[20:47] <nekoseam> I removed the source then used ppa-purge and that github script to make sure no packages were left behind
[20:47] <nekoseam> and on top of that I don't remember downloading anything from the repository anyways
[20:47] <Epx998> hmm apt-fast is a thing?
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> kingsley: Ask for recommendations in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[20:48] <tomreyn> nekoseam: so "sudo apt update" no longer warns about it now?
[20:49] <tomreyn> !who | nekoseam
[20:50] <mustmodify> Just checking... do I want libssl1.0-dev, libssl-dev, or ... some other version? I'm getting all kinds of mixed signals from the interwebz.
[20:51] <Epx998> mustmodify: probably the same versions
[20:52] <mustmodify> ok thanks
[20:52] <nekoseam> tomreyn: no. also I think I may have found a package from that repository but I'm not sure. I don't think g++-7-multilib is in the repositories, an apt search of it turns up blank
[20:52] <Epx998> or 1 is 1.0 and the other 1.1
[20:55] <tomreyn> !info g++-7-multilib cosmic
[20:55] <tomreyn> nekoseam: ^
[20:56] <nekoseam> tomreyn: so any idea on why it doesn't appear in apt search?
[20:56] <tomreyn> nekoseam: maybe you don't have universe enabled
[21:00] <nekoseam> nah it's already enabled for me
[21:00] <epsilonKNOT> ey baws
[21:00] <epsilonKNOT> I am trying to reduce my resolution on my laptop to 1920x1080
[21:01] <epsilonKNOT> from 3200x1800
[21:01] <epsilonKNOT> but the nvidia x server center is not allowing me to do tat
[21:01] <epsilonKNOT> any clues how I can manage this?
[21:02] <Quetzal2> Which DE?
[21:02] <nacc> nekoseam: tomreyn: you need to escape the +
[21:02] <nacc> nekoseam: tomreyn: search parameter is a regex
[21:03] <Quetzal2> epsilonKNOT: which DE are you using? Ubuntu's Gnome, right?
[21:03] <epsilonKNOT> no
[21:04] <epsilonKNOT> I am using kde
[21:05] <Quetzal2> ok. Then as you go into the «settings panel › Display and Monitor › Resolution», doesn't that work? Is it then where you get the error?
[21:07] <tomreyn> nacc: makes sense
[21:07] <epsilonKNOT> nope in displays as well there is no option to change the resolution
[21:07] <epsilonKNOT> I have nvidia x server installed cuz I am using nvidia drivers
[21:09] <tomreyn> nvidia xserver? are you sure they produce their own?
[21:09] <epsilonKNOT> I mean nvidia x server settings manager
[21:09] <epsilonKNOT> apologies
[21:10] <littlebit> hi people, I wanted to ask you for help with getting my esp8266 12-E. it is telling me that it can't find python
[21:10] <littlebit> exec: "python": executable file not found in $PATH
[21:10] <littlebit> can someone help
[21:11] <Quetzal2> epsilonKNOT: Ok, I see. You use optimus/prime or such?
[21:11] <tomreyn> epsilonKNOT: i see. i probbaly can't help you but for others to help you may want to report the output of: lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline
[21:11]  * Quetzal2 and tomreyn both see :·D
[21:12] <nacc> littlebit: what version of ubuntu?
[21:12] <epsilonKNOT> Quetzal2: I am using nvidia quadro, tomreyn I will upload them :D
[21:12] <littlebit> nacc: Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[21:12] <tomreyn> littlebit: you can also run this and report the output (on a pastebin): lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline
[21:14] <littlebit> tomreyn: there u go
[21:14] <littlebit> https://pastebin.com/mnAYgnzA
[21:14] <tomreyn> littlebit: thanks. python is installed and in PATH by default on ubuntu so this must be a result of modifications you made.
[21:15] <tomreyn> littlebit: what does this return?  echo $PATH
[21:16] <littlebit> tomreyn: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
[21:16] <littlebit> tomreyn: but when I run 'python' I get the interpreter
[21:16] <epsilonKNOT> lsb_release -ds: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YdrHyKkh2d/ ...... cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f4h3M8DKyy/
[21:16] <epsilonKNOT> my problem is I can't get a nice way to change the resolution
[21:16] <epsilonKNOT> this might just be a kde problem
[21:17] <lordcirth__> littlebit, so, what program is failing to find python? It must be using a different $PATH
[21:17] <tomreyn> littlebit: so what do you run when the error message you posted is returned? full input, full output, on a pastebin, please
[21:18] <littlebit> lordcirth__: when I'm in arduino and I want to upload my code to the controller
[21:19] <tomreyn> epsilonKNOT: hmm this should have returned three lines of output. are you on WSL or some container solution?
[21:19] <epsilonKNOT> nope
[21:19] <epsilonKNOT> only on my laptop
[21:19] <littlebit> tomreyn: basically this is my issue
[21:19] <littlebit> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53934607/arduino-esp8266-cant-find-pyhon-executable-file
[21:20] <epsilonKNOT> tomreyn: the lsb_release is in different pastebin :P
[21:20] <tomreyn> epsilonKNOT: oh right, i missed this. you could try asking in #kubuntu or #kde if you think it's related to that. i'm not sure, though.
[21:22] <Quetzal2> epsilonKNOT: which kde plasma version are you using (is it kubuntu or ubuntu with kde installed on it?)?
[21:22] <epsilonKNOT> kubuntu
[21:24] <pablo_> hello
[21:25] <pablo_> quin habla español?
[21:25] <Quetzal2> epsilonKNOT: would it be possible to screenshot your «Display and Monitor» panel, to see what's gone and what's there?
[21:25] <epsilonKNOT> Quetzal2: will do
[21:26] <tomreyn> littlebit: according to which you need to install py-serial. have you done so, did it fix the issue? did you post the input and oputput, yet, or did you loose interest?
[21:26] <Seveas> !es
[21:27] <littlebit> tomreyn: the link I pasted is googled
[21:27] <littlebit> wasn't my post
[21:28] <tomreyn> littlebit: okay. can't help without details, though. so you'R eon your own.
[21:37] <pavlos> littlebit: did you figure out the python issue?
[21:38] <littlebit> tomreyn: it isn't that much. I have installed arduino and when I want to upload my code to the controller I get this error message telling me that it cannot find python in PATH
[21:38] <littlebit> pavlos: no
[21:38] <littlebit> still searching
[21:38] <carlitos1987> alguien habla en español
[21:39] <Bashing-om> !es | carlitos1987
[21:40] <Richard_Cavell> I asked on the #gedit channel on gimpnet but got no reply.  Is the gedit project dead?  Has it been replaced by pluma?
[21:40] <Richard_Cavell> I'm a MATE/GNOME 2 fan
[21:46] <arpad2> tomreyn: the installed 18.04.2 is slow again
[21:47] <tomreyn> littlebit: okay, i'll try once more:  what is this script (show its source code), how do you run it (exact command), whats the full output, is pyserial installed (which package exactly)?
[21:48] <tomreyn> arpad2: post dmesg again
[21:48] <tomreyn> arpad2: did you run the smart check?
[21:50] <arpad2> tomreyn: dmesg | nc termbin.com 999 ? I did only memtest for one core
[21:50] <littlebit> tomreyn: I start it from the menu, and I went into 'Edit Application' and copied the commad: env BAMF_DESKTOP_FILE_HINT=/var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/arduino-mhall119_arduino.desktop /snap/bin/arduino-mhall119.arduino
[21:50] <tomreyn> arpad2: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999       # so one more 9
[21:51] <littlebit> tomreyn: oh, and thank you for your pacnience
[21:51] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: apt-get changelog gedit. Gedit looks to be very much alive :)
[21:52] <tomreyn> littlebit: looks like this is a broken snap then, you should contact the author about it.
[21:53] <tomreyn> arpad2: memtest is not related to cpu cores.
[21:53] <arpad2> tomreyn: https:/termbin.com/w1zj
[21:53] <littlebit> tomreyn: and how do I find that out?
[21:55] <tomreyn> littlebit: using either the "snap" command or by searching for the snap you installed at https://snapcraft.io/store and hping for it to disclose this kind of information. it may, or not.
[21:55] <littlebit> tomreyn: thx
[21:55] <tomreyn> littlebit: hopefully you only install snaps you know are trustworthy.
[21:56] <tomreyn> arpad2: hmm nothing there. what about smartctl?
[21:57] <tomreyn> littlebit: (and hopefully someone told you that's something you need to care for.)
[21:58] <tomreyn> littlebit: in other words, i don't blame you for it, if not
[21:58] <arpad2> tomreyn: is that a command in terminal?
[21:59] <tomreyn> !smart | here's the wiki page i previously had ubottu tell you about again, arpad2
[21:59] <tomreyn> !smart | arpad: heres the wiki page i previously had ubottu tell you about again
[22:00] <tomreyn> sorry, let's try that again
[22:00] <tomreyn> ! smart
[22:02] <tomreyn> arpad2: so install the package, and test sda, share the output using "sudo smartctl -c /dev/sda 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999".
[22:02] <tomreyn> arpad2: so install the package, and test sda, share the output using "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999".
[22:02] <tomreyn> ^ this rather
[22:03] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, thank you
[22:08] <arpad2> tomreyn: it is asking for some postfix configuration
[22:09] <tomreyn> arpad2: can you be more specific?
[22:13] <arpad2> tomreyn: "please select the mail server configuration type that best meets your needs. No configuration:.,.internet site:... internet with smarthost:... satellite system:...local only:"
[22:18] <arpad2> tomreyn: it's not installing it with the given command, but gives the above mentioned package configuration message
[22:20] <tomreyn> arpad2: no configiruation is fine for now.
[22:20] <tomreyn> arpad2: for postfix, that is
[22:21] <justthedoctor> how can i print the last X# of lines from a .log file in /var/log/ and print it to a new file of my choice?
[22:23] <pavlos> justthedoctor: tail -n25 /var/log/syslog > newfile
[22:23] <justthedoctor> thank you
[22:24] <tomreyn> arpad2: the smartmon package installs a daemon which runs in the background and monitors your disks for defects. it would notify you, by email, if things break. to do so, it needs the local mailserver. postfix is a mailserver. you'd need to configure it to enable it to send mail to your actual e-mail address in a way that those e-mails will get delivered and not go to the spam folder. which isn't easy. the 'local only' configuration (can be set
[22:24] <tomreyn> using "sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix") would make the mailserver run in mode where i just stores those e-mails on your computer and just notifies you about it when you login to your computer on a text console.
[22:26] <tomreyn> with "no configuration" it will just fail to send mail entirely.
[22:28] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, thanks for the patience, I managed to install it however the command line didn't return a URL, without the termbin part there is an output though
[22:29] <tomreyn> arpad2: which command did you run exactly?
[22:30] <tomreyn> *commandS
[22:30] <tomreyn> you can also just copy and paste to paste.ubuntu.com if that's easier
[22:34] <arpad2> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fh9xFQXqQy
[22:34] <tomreyn> arpad2: okay -i is a good start, but -a or -x will be more interesting
[22:36] <tomreyn> arpad2: you said the disk was slkow, can you say what is slow specifically?
[22:36] <tomreyn> *slow
[22:36] <groundup> Does anyone know of any scripts/tutorials to create a headless ubuntu install using VirtualBox and the CLI?
[22:37] <groundup> Essentially, I want people in my organization to be able to stand up an Ubuntu server in VirtualBox by running a single shell script
[22:38] <tomreyn> groundup: look into vagrant, maybe ask more related questions in #vbox
[22:39] <groundup> Yeah... I didn't want them to have to also install Vagrant, but I guess that's an alternative
[22:40] <arpad2> tomreyn: the system is slow: the movement of the mouse, video is not playing smoothly, generally there is lag in any action, even you can notice this lag when entering an address in a browser
[22:41] <OerHeks> tons of examples howto preseed, wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apb.html
[22:41] <tomreyn> arpad2: that's probably just a result of running nouveau then.
[22:41] <hay207> Hi guys, i want to know if the filesystem's checked at boot, using 18.04, just recovered from bad sector manually
[22:41] <tomreyn> hay207: depends, how did you install?
[22:42] <arpad2> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vN44CyZMwR
[22:42] <hay207> install OS you mean?
[22:42] <tomreyn> hay207: yes
[22:43] <hay207> i think from usb stick
[22:43] <tomreyn> arpad2: this disk is a bit aged but still fine based on the information it gathered passively.
[22:44] <hay207> why you ask about install?
[22:44] <arpad2> do you need the -x as well?
[22:44] <tomreyn> arpad2: no
[22:45] <arpad2> ok
[22:45] <OerHeks> yes, filesystem is checked on boot
[22:45] <hay207> Ok
[22:46] <tomreyn> hay207: my question was imprecise, sorry. which variant or flavour of ubuntu did you install, which architecture, which ISO file did you download (exact filename)? alternatively, tell us what the last two columns of the line with the '/' mount point in /etc/fstab contian.
[22:46] <tomreyn> hay207: oh, and also: did you upgrade to this ubuntu release you run now.
[22:48] <hay207> want me to paste UUID here?
[22:48] <hay207> in /etc/fstab
[22:48] <tomreyn> hay207: there should be no uuid on the last two columns
[22:49] <hay207> ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[22:49] <hay207> using kubuntu
[22:49] <hay207> fresh install
[22:49] <hay207> not upgraded
[22:50] <hay207> 64 bit
[22:50] <tomreyn> hay207: so the root file system should be regularly checked automatically at boot.
[22:50] <hay207> Ok
[22:51] <hay207> i got unknown filesystem and it was a nightmare
[22:52] <tomreyn> hay207: this may suggest that your disk is failing. you should probably run smartctl against it.
[22:52] <hay207> it's not that old
[22:52] <hay207> 4-5 years old
[22:53] <tomreyn> hay207: age is not /hardly) relevant there. there's a possible counter measure against this 'nightmare' by the way, which is a mirror RAID - this can help there.
[22:54] <hay207> i run smart from a live distro?
[22:55] <tomreyn> hay207: it can be from your installed system, that's fine.
[22:55] <tomreyn> !smart | hay207
[22:56] <hay207> Yes it occured after resuming from suspend, system hanged, so i killed the power
[22:56] <hay207> then problem occured
[22:56] <tomreyn> !sysrq | hay207
[22:56] <tomreyn> ^ a better approach for next time the system hangs
[22:57] <tomreyn> in fact just S U B is enough, the others are ignored anyways
[22:59] <Epx998> Any reason that i'd get the us.archive.ubuntu.com repo added to sources.list when in my preseed, I am using a local repo - never mentioning the us.archives one?
[23:02] <tomreyn> Epx998: i would hope there's a reason for it, otherwise we'd have to assume it happened randomly. but i don't know said reason.
[23:02] <Epx998> tomreyn: my url in my preseed is a local repo, tho when all is said and done, archives is in there..
[23:03] <hay207> Ok thanks
[23:03] <arpad2> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/959fKr5Czd what does it mean that the display is unclaimed?
[23:03] <tomreyn> Epx998: dounds like you should look for an existing bug report, and file one, if none exists.
[23:03] <tomreyn> *sounds
[23:06] <tomreyn> arpad2: i think it means that no driver is installed which manages this device.
[23:07] <Epx998> right-o
[23:08] <tomreyn> arpad2: i would have expected the first one to be claimed by nouveau, the second one to be claimed by i915.
[23:08] <hay207> I tried using magic SysRq, won't work
[23:09] <tomreyn> arpad2: here's what i have, compare the "configuration" line where mine lists the graphics driver:   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KVjTnsbDDd/
[23:09] <hay207> i got SysRq under pgdn
[23:09] <hay207> Pressed Fn
[23:10] <arpad2> tomreyn: so this is software rendering only, the question is why? actually Nvidia driver is installed from the additional drivers
[23:10] <tomreyn> hay207: on a standard desktop keyboard you'd press altgr + print + KEY (where KEY is in s, u or b)
[23:11] <hay207> ah ok
[23:11] <OerHeks> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[23:12] <tomreyn> arpad2: i'm really bad with nvidia support, especially in the 'optimus' configuration you have. hopefully someone else knows how to do this properly.
[23:12] <hay207> Sorry for noob questions
[23:12] <hay207> Have a nice day
[23:12] <tomreyn> hay207: that's fine, you too!
[23:14] <arpad2> OerHeks: no output
[23:15] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, thanks for your help
[23:16] <jonfatino> Question about kickstart files for ubuntu 16.04 install. I have initrd bla bla ks=http:// kickstart file.     That kickstart file works perfectly except for static ip on the network config and install the operating system. My question is can you debian based stuff in the ubuntu kickstart file like
[23:16] <jonfatino> d-I netcfg/get_ipaddress string template_ip_address
[23:23] <tomreyn> jonfatino: i suggest asking this in #ubuntu-server during UK business hours.
[23:26] <arpad2> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JgVcJV6MKV/
[23:27] <arpad2> is there anything wrong with this?
[23:28] <OerHeks> oh, you are running in vmware?
[23:30] <arpad2> no
[23:30] <arpad2> fresh installation
[23:33] <tomreyn> arpad2: maybe install pastebinit, reboot, login to graphical desktop and post "journalctl -b | pastebinit"
[23:34] <tomreyn> your logs may look different since the dmesg i looked at. maybe there are errors now.
[23:35] <arpad2> any comment on this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3vF4tDg9Rh
[23:36] <tomreyn> arpad2: oh and you may want to try editing the "nomodeset" boot option into "nouveau.nomodeset"
[23:37] <tomreyn> also, i think, but not sure, that with nvidia drivers you should be running their configuration utility to set things up.
[23:37] <tomreyn> i.e. to define which graphics chip set to use for which purpose.
[23:38] <arpad2> tomreyn: boot option nomodeset is it for live system only?
[23:38] <tomreyn> currently you seem to be software rendering everythingt, which would indeed be slow
[23:38] <tomreyn> arpad2: no
[23:39] <tomreyn> but i'm not certain whether the nvidia driver still needs it or whether it rather causes problems when it's set.
[23:39] <tomreyn> it probably comes with some documentation.
[23:41] <arpad2> is it significant that there is no  xorg.conf ?
[23:41] <tomreyn> arpad2: and sorry, i got the option name wrong: corrently it's not "nouveau-nomodeset" but "nouveau.modeset=0" - see https://askubuntu.com/questions/747314/is-nomodeset-still-required
[23:42] <tomreyn> i dont think you need or should even try the PPA mentioned there - since you don't have a new graphics card it is more likely to break rather than fix things
[23:44] <tomreyn> arpad2: see also https://askubuntu.com/questions/1048274/ubuntu-18-04-stopped-working-with-nvidia-drivers/
[23:46] <arpad2> tomreyn: this is interesting, thanks 🙂
[23:46] <tomreyn> so if i get this righ then the proprietary nvidia driver requires you to do kernel mode setting, whereas the nouveau driver requires you not to, i.e. to use user mode setting instead.
[23:50] <tomreyn> ...which is effectively what "nouveau.modeset=0 nvidia-drm.modeset=1" does. intels' i915 driver should work with kernel mode setting (which is default). "nomodeset" would affect any graphics driver, i think, disabling kernel mode setting, and should thus not be used in this hardware configuration.
[23:51] <arpad2> ooh, ok I will try this, hopefully there will be some positive change
[23:52] <arpad2> by the way, are there any books to learn this?
[23:52] <rootbash> yes
[23:53] <tomreyn> arpad2: probably, but they'll outdate quickly, so better read about it online.
[23:59] <arpad2> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3HMHXKHBXW/