[00:00] ironpillow: alright. what's this hardware by the way? something special? [00:00] tomreyn: yeah :) custom built, for networking. [00:00] you might want to look for a newer BIOS than "R0.10 12/27/2017" (which is pre spectre / meltdown / intel me) [00:02] before those got relevant fixes, i mean === TheReturnOfJo is now known as battleangle === Budgii is now known as Budgii_AFK [00:12] Yep will do === Budgii_AFK is now known as Budgii === Budgii is now known as Budgii_CAT [00:42] Hi all. Just a quick question: I want all the packages that can be upgraded to be listed after I run apt 'apt update' if there are any. Is there a flag or setting I can use to do such a thing without having to type 'apt list --upgradable' to list the upgradable packages, or is there no such feature/is this regarded as bad practice? [00:43] j0seph: actually, apt get upgrade will list all upgradable packages and you have the option to say yes|no [00:44] pavlos: ah, yes, I suppose that is true. thanks :) [00:45] set an alias? [00:46] alias gimmeallyourmoney='apt list --upgradable' [00:52] OerHeks: sounds good, but I wouldn't want to threaten or scare my system like that. it works hard for me, after all :( [00:59] Hi All, what is yum update alternate in ubuntu ? [00:59] is this apt upgrade [00:59] update is update [00:59] so: sudo apt update [01:00] OerHeks: in Centos yum upate updates all the packages but apt-get update just update the repos (please correct me If I'm wrong, not an ubuntu user) [01:00] this will fetching the lists only [01:01] yeah but yum update do the update as well + fetching the list/updating repos [01:01] so yum update & apt update are not equal ? [01:01] sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade # does normal updates, and dist-upgrade is stage 2 [01:02] !dist-upgrade [01:02] A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. [01:02] indeed [01:03] on yum, you would use yum check-update if there are updates available [01:34] tomreyn: I upgraded the system and did a reboot, still having this issue. /sbin/init CPU% keeps doing up and down very quickly. From 0.0 to 44% and then back to 0, then up to 44%. repeatedly. dmesg: https://gist.github.com/ironpillow/bb4467aed88b8c9fc405e815d3ff4de0 [01:40] ironpillow: bios version remains the same - is there no upgrade available? you said this is a custom built system, what else is custom and worth mentioning about it, on all terms such as hardware, firmware / BIOS / UEFI, OS? [01:48] * tomreyn be back (much) later [01:57] tomreyn: we don't have upgraded bios yet. SMBIOS 3.0.0, UEFI, BIOS version 5.13, American Megatrends [02:03] How do I provision more space for /boot on ubuntu 16.04 [02:30] what's the reason for all the scripts in /etc/init.d and for the services in /lib/systemd/system in ubuntu18? === Elon_Satoshi is now known as Richard_Torvalds === Richard_Torvalds is now known as Elark_Muskerberg [02:39] I seem to have rootfs mounted with option "stripe=32659" but it is not part of any RAID array and there is no /dev/md* and /etc/fstab says it has options "defaults". What could cause this? [02:44] I'm using xenial on x86_64 [02:58] cxc99, they arrange for services to be started as the system starts up and stopped as the system shuts down. [03:04] can you guys tell me where /etc/default/grub is relocated to now? [03:04] ubuntu 1804 [03:05] Beam_Inn: "sysop@x1804mini:~$ ls -al /etc/default/grub >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1209 Jul 26 2018 /etc/default/grub" . [03:05] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 (see Grub vs Grub 2 part 8). [03:06] part 9 [03:06] nerdcore, I don't know, but looking around I see that rootfs options can be specified on the kernel boot line (which is logical since /etc/fstab is in the root file system so it can't have been read yet when mounting root) [03:06] part 10 [03:06] what the heck [03:07] nerdcore, maybe check your grub options to see if that's where stripe= is set? (I have no idea who or what could have put it there) [03:07] rfm: ok good call, but not seeing any mention of "stripe" within /boot/* [03:09] I recently suffered some filesystem corruption. Ran fsck and attempted to fix errors but it may have occurred then :( [03:10] I see one stackexchange article of an AWS instance showing similar behaviour and one person has suggested running "tune2fs -f -E stride=0 /dev/xvdb" (probably s/stride/stripe/) [03:12] it's because it's a file, not a directory [03:12] about the grub thing. s o nix my q. [03:14] Is there a file in /proc which will show me the kernel cmdline which was used on this boot? [03:14] oh yes /proc/cmdline lol [03:16] Could the EXT4 filesystem have this "stripe=" as a default mount option? How would I see those ext4 settings? [03:19] tune2fs -l. sorry for answering my own questions :P [03:19] thanks for the advice rfn [03:19] nerdcore: No - not generally. Show the channel what you are working with. pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' . [03:22] turns out my ext4fs has option "RAID stride: 32659". so weird. [03:25] https://pastebin.com/RMQRQRDW [03:25] anyone here familiar with ranger :bulkrename? [03:37] nerdcore: Got me geuessing. fdisk reports a nornal ext4 drive with one partition. But in the tune2fs output there is "RAID stride: 32659". [03:37] ya im stumped :( [03:40] the whole story might be a bit more complicated, but worth telling... I was upgrading HDDs and cloned old to new using dd. When I booted back up not realizing that the kernel cmdline (and /etc/fstab FWIW) used UUID= I got /dev/sdb1 mounted instead of /dev/sda1, because both were still connected. [03:41] but this may just be a red herring; No idea why that would cause ext4 to suddenly decide to be RAIDed [03:41] there was also some FS corruption, so maybe the bits defining "RAID stride" just got set from 00000 to 32659 (?) [03:44] nerdcore: "sudo wipefs /dev/sda". Note that you should not just trust me that that command is safe (even though it is), you should run "man wipefs" and confirm for yourself that the command will just list all visible filesystems (and in this case, RAID metadata) and their offsets. [03:45] haha yeah that sounds horrible ;) [03:45] will look [03:49] Bashing-om: not sure what this means. Doesn't look very helpful to me https://pastebin.com/82aFP8UJ [03:53] nerdcore: I had expected: "DEVICE OFFSET TYPE UUID LABEL" In any case this only shows a standard partitoning. No raid here. Will take one smarter than I to tell where that raid stripe is generated. [03:54] there is no RAID which I am aware of. Certainly never intended to create any. [03:55] I'll just chalk it up to FS corruption and move on with my life. ;) Thanks for the consideration and input [03:57] nerdcore: Well, if you are not going to fix the issue, at least mask it over by taking out the raid stuff in the /etc/fstab file. [04:00] Bashing-om: there is nothin in /etc/fstab nor kernel cmdline; It's a setting in the ext4fs [04:00] /etc/fstab just says "defaults" [04:02] Bashing-om: see my first pastebin where `tune2fs -l /dev/sda1` shows "RAID stride" as being within the ext4 options which tune2fs can set [04:04] `tune2fs -E` might clean it up. so strange though. :( [04:05] Having an issue with audio. I have Bionic and for some reason, I get system sounds, but no videos have any sound at all. [04:11] does anyone else notice an issue with the battery indicator on the status bar almost always is off [04:11] like im at 61% and the icon still shows 100% [04:19] I have a bug to report and was wondering who exactly i talk to and hopefully it can be reproduced === eddie is now known as Guest41121 [04:20] !bug | Guest41121 [04:20] Guest41121: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [04:23] the bug i'm reporting isn' t about a package though, it's through a series of actions [04:30] Guest41121, if you're not sure what package, use a -meta package (in the end it will boil down to a single packzge if it's a bug, even if it's a combination of packages that require the bug to be seen), you could ask on #ubuntu-bugs (maybe bug-squad folks can be more precise) [04:31] An Important Talk - John Rose: https://www.bitchute.com/video/jBtlW4pdi22C/ ("SINGLE HANDEDEDLY THE GREATEST VIDEO ON YOUTUBE.") [04:33] uh no [04:34] was going to ask the wanker spanker wth it has to do with ubuntu but he left === Mr-Pan is now known as Mr_Pan [04:57] rfm, i meant why are they repeated if ubuntu uses systemd [05:16] Can someone please help me figure out why I get the error "connection closed" when trying to ssh or sftp to my ubuntu machine? [05:27] Synthesis: can you give more context [05:28] underd0g: basically ssh and sftp will not allow incoming connections, I was messing around with iptables and ufw yesterday which let to me doing ufw reset and readding the ports with allow anywhere, but ive got a feeling iptables may be ruined and im not sure how to check on them [05:29] Synthesis: I always use `sudo iptables -L -v -n` to review the main table. [05:30] Yeah ok nerdcore, im quite the rookie so the code it returns really means nothing to me tbh [05:30] Synthesis: you can try sudo ufw status [05:30] check if any connections are blocked [05:30] none are blocked thats the problem [05:31] 22, 80 and 443 are all allow anywhere [05:31] is sshd running? ;) [05:31] Synthesis: ^ [05:31] unsure to what that is guys [05:31] sudo service sshd status [05:32] literally my first time using linux [05:32] ok cheers [05:32] is ir running or is it stopped [05:32] *is it [05:33] or just go ahead with a `sudo service sshd start`. Doesn't really hurt to run if already running. [05:33] sshd is the SSH server software. It listens on port tcp/22 for incoming SSH connections. [05:33] its active but i did get some errors after it [05:34] let me show you the errors [05:34] Hi all [05:35] noob question: which package distributes files in /usr/include/drm [05:35] harishkrupo: you can check which package delivered a given file with `dpkg -L ` [05:35] no sorry -S [05:36] `dpkg -S ` [05:36] did you recieve that msg nerdcore? just want to check if it worked [05:36] nerdcore: ah that is the flag i was searching for... Thanks === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [06:27] just got linux installed and working on an iMac G3. What should i do with it? [06:27] *iBook [06:44] Is there a way to make it so that alt-tab in gnome DE does not group similar apps? [06:44] Hello, guys, I just installed Ubuntu, and remove Windows 10, now my ntfs partition is write protected, I can see things, copy them, but can't delete anything. [06:46] Beam_Inn: i think there's such gnome shell extensions, try $BROWSER extension.gnome.org [06:46] extensions.gnome.org [06:47] dude, finally someont talks about gnome [06:47] or gnome-tweaks [06:47] hey do you know how to append a linux kernel? [06:47] p_: its probably got a hibernation/fastboot file. or it needs a chkdsk from windows [06:47] i hate gnome. prefer gnustep [06:47] Beam_Inn: append a linux kernel to what/where? [06:47] nbags: Yeah, but I removed windows, so what can I do? [06:47] nbags: badblocks/fsck is as good as chkdsk [06:47] i want to add a little info to the end of a line in grub, but I don't know what to add [06:48] p_: ah you want that ntfs fuse stuff to have it writable [06:48] Adding the kernel boot parameter usb_storage.quirks=0x0bc2:0xab38:u as GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, running update-grub and rebooting the system. [06:48] p_: you can fsck it on linux or try mount it with the 'remove_hiberfile' option. id step you throught it but ive gotta go sorry [06:48] do me a favor and do nano /etc/default/grub [06:48] you can see GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX has two lines [06:48] we have grub configuration fully automated, including working old kernel removal [06:48] i'm not touching that interactively [06:48] nbags: or chkdsk it from a windows usb stick [06:49] p_: ^^ [06:49] LOL, don't got windows [06:49] p_: since 1999 here... and you? [06:50] tarzeau: Since today ;) [06:50] i doubt that, tarzeau .... [06:51] how can you fully automate checking the model of my usb drive and removing the uas quirk from that device? [06:51] and why would you? :/ [06:51] you could do less. Reading the file won't change it. [06:51] Beam_Inn: udev??? [06:52] Beam_Inn: when you have 200+ linux boxen, you don't want to fiddle manually around [06:52] udev command not found [06:52] i was not refering to a command but a software system [06:53] so you don't know which line to append :/ [06:54] p_: so why u still using ntfs? [06:54] nope. what is that storage.quirk meant to do? [06:54] is it needed as kernel parameter? because you boot from it? [06:55] nbags: There is this partition I had on windows, it got most of my files, and don't have space to move them to the other remaining partition, and no means of backup [06:55] it fixes my usb drive. the manufacturer made some errosr in a lot of their models [06:55] p_: that sucks [06:56] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/usb/storage/usb.c#L568 [06:56] right here tarzeau [06:56] guys stick to ubuntu support ok [06:56] #ubuntu-discuss you can talk all day [06:57] nbags: NVM, ntfsfix did it's thing, can now write to that partition. [06:57] well, I'm going to restart and see if that worked, man. [06:57] hopefully it didn't break my computer === \dev\cache1 is now known as \dev\cache [07:23] what's the reason for all the sysv style init scripts still in ubuntu18? [07:25] hello, i'm using Ubuntu 16.04, can someone tell me which from following patches requires reboot https://pastebin.com/dpYMbK4E ? [07:26] systemd [07:33] that patch to grub didn't work [07:38] H === Jezus is now known as Remy^ [08:21] any one is online [08:21] hay drone [08:21] hay sigyn [08:22] hello [08:23] any one i need help === johnc--- is now known as johnc-- [09:07] hello ! can someone please tell me how this applet (https://imgur.com/a/dki5ypx) in gnome is called ? [09:07] on my system is top right corner in top panel [09:32] is there a simple way to deploy ubuntu on mass number of machines? [09:41] ice9: take a look at MAAS: https://maas.io/ [09:42] blackflow, ah i forgot to mention that the machines are desktops [09:43] ice9: pxeboot with a preseed configuration? [09:43] ice9: doesn't matter really. the difference is just in the package selection and some default configs. [09:54] ice9, i was involved with a refurb/recycle group, we cloned drives from our master & just installed drives (test & fine tune to check sound, graphics if extra drivers etc; but we may have done this because we removed drives to dban them first..) [10:03] is there a way to install Ubuntu remotely on desktop computer? [10:04] where is unity 8 channel :D [10:04] ice9 install it on HDD and send it over. [10:05] berz3rk: try #ubports [10:08] ice9: yes. MAAS, (pxe)boot + preseed, (pxe)boot + debootstrap (automatable via ansible, salt, ...), probably even over ssh [10:10] ice9: you'd still have to walk over to the machine and initiate it though [10:21] so, Contabo (my hosting) did restarted the VPS for maintenance and the file `/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6` was once again set to 1. I was wondering if there's a way that I can make it stick to 0 or if I can delete it and make a symlink. any options/ideas are highly appreciated. I've tried to `sudo chattr +i /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6` but it says: chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on /proc/ [10:21] sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 [10:23] Exterminador: The /proc isn't a real filesystem. If you want permanent changes you can (depending on distro) put them in /etc/sysctl.conf [10:24] Exterminador: check /etc/sysctl.conf for lines with disabcle.ipv6 [10:29] oh.. `net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1` [10:29] those guys are just stupid -_- they offer a /64 block and they disable IPv6 [10:29] Exterminador: also talk to them and tell them they're part of the problem, not solution, for global migration to IPv6 [10:30] blackflow: I've mailed them already. :> [10:30] so, after editing the sysctl.conf, do I need to reload anything? [10:30] Exterminador: sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf to apply changes [10:31] blackflow: done! thanks a lot \o/ [10:31] 'Morning folks [10:31] Exterminador: actually.... it's --system instead of -p these days [10:32] Exterminador: (with no specific file given) ... thing is it's now being set via multiple files, so better use just sysctl --system [10:33] wow. lot's of "Applying ..." seems we're ready to go. once again, thanks a lot for the help [10:37] hi how are you? === 07IABEXFA is now known as O71ABEXFA === KindOne is now known as uptime [10:58] Hello [10:59] I have a problem building a mesh network between raspberry pi(stretch) and ubuntu 16.04 [11:00] I cannot ping [11:00] amog raspberries I can ping with no problem [11:01] between 2 pc running ubuntu 16.04 I can ping with no problem [11:19] Hello, I'm starter with ubuntu for windows, my issue is that I'm loosing network form bash ubuntu 18.04 [11:20] my release upgrade from 16.04 LTS failed at first reboot with a "failed to mount /" error. It wants to put me into emergency mode and type "journalctl -xb", "systemctl reboot", "systemctl default" or "exit" for default mode. What's my best option? [11:22] qwebirc15375, ssh ? [11:27] JOIN #varnish [11:40] Hello, I want to create a local mirror of the ubuntu repository, but I only want partial of it (i.e. a certain number of packages). Is that possible ? [11:43] ok. My do-release-upgrade failed with a "failed to mount /:" error. I typed journalctl -xb as suggested and got 5500 lines of log entries. No idea what it all means and no way to upload the log to a pastebin... Should I just try "systemctl reboot" as the earlier error suggested? === oldguy is now known as Loge [11:48] the hardware I am using is an early macmini if that helps. [11:49] OK, rebooting didn't help. What can I do now? [12:01] BlackDalek: the fastest way to recover is often to install the previous version and restore backups. alternatives are to try and recover this failed upgrade, which often (but not always) succeeds. [12:02] if you have separate /home and / file systems on separate partitions, a third option is to reinstall just the OS. [12:05] you are probably wondering why the upgrde failed int he first place. almost always that's due to packages installed from 3rd party sources. [12:07] tomreyn, ok. I don't think they are on separate partitions (I can't remember back to when I first installed it). It's on an early 2nd gen intel mac mini. [12:08] tomreyn, I do remember it was a pain in the arse to get it to even boot the installer DVD. [12:08] i see. then it's probably all on a single file system [12:09] Ideally, I' like to somehow recover this failed upgrade. [12:09] mac systems aren't made with this (alternative bare metal OS) use case in mind. [12:10] login and tell the output of: echo $REASON [12:11] just so you know, recovery can take ~ an hour, and may yet fail. [12:11] I don't think I can log in, but it does force me into an "emergency mode" maintenance terminal if that helps === led_dark_2 is now known as led_dark_1 [12:12] that's what i meant by 'login', right, a bad explanation on my part [12:12] tomreyn, oh ok ;) [12:13] tomreyn, the $REASON echoed a blank line [12:15] the best thing will be to chroot the system from a live / installer. are you able to boot into a fully working OS on this or another computer? [12:17] <`AbhiAbzs> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 270 Processor (2.70GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.4 GiB Total (3.2 GiB Free) Swap: 7.3 GiB Total (7.3 GiB Free) • Storage: 37.8 GB / 195.6 GB (157.8 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h Processor Miscellaneous Control • Uptime: 3h 35m 25s [12:18] `AbhiAbzs: please don't [12:18] tomreyn, at this location, I can only work from the broken upgraded mac mini and this laptop (16.04 LTS) with an internet connection. [12:20] BlackDalek: sounds good enough. we'd also need a usb stick or other external storage which can be connected to both systems, and which we can fully overwrite. [12:22] the goal will be to create an ubuntu installer for 18.04.2 there, and boot the mac mini off it. [12:23] tomreyn, give me a minute, I'll see what usable USB storage I can find... what minimum size would we be requiring for this storage device? [12:23] BlackDalek: i think 2 GB [12:24] tomreyn, ok. hold on. [12:24] better 4, if you can choose [12:25] hi, could it be a hardware, possibly motherboard, issue if live ubuntu stops boothing from dvd or pendrive? [12:26] arpad2: is it "from dvd OR pendrive" or is it §from dvd AND pendrive"? are you saying you tried both? [12:27] '§' was supposed to say '"' there [12:27] tomreyn: yes, I tried both, in addition the dvds I bought from the linux shop, sp they should be fine, the boothabale pendrive I created following an online tutorial [12:28] arpad2: if both fail, the first thing to check is whether the ISO image you produced those from is not broken [12:28] https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu [12:29] tomreyn: ok, let me see [12:29] this is also discussed in more detail (but less accessible to new users) at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto [12:31] arpad2: if you're not on a metered connection, i suggest to start a new download before you start with the verification. [12:32] tomreyn: ok, to download the iso file again? [12:32] arpad2: right [12:32] tomreyn: ok [12:32] which one did you download? [12:32] tomreyn: xubuntu 18.04.2 and 18.10 from torrent [12:33] when I open my network configuration I don't see my ethernet connection / wired in the available networks. Also when I somehow manage to connect it, it isn't able to make connection to my local server. Any ideas on how to fix this problem ? [12:33] arpad2: oh you used a torrent. well then the download should be correct, since part of the bittorrent download is to make sure the download is complete. [12:34] arpad2: where did you get the torrent files from? ubuntu.com ? [12:34] tomreyn: from the official Xubuntu website [12:35] arpad2: 32-bit or 64-bit ? [12:36] tomreyn: 64 [12:36] enp4s0: flags=4163 mtu 1500 [12:36] ether f4:8e:38:e9:19:44 txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) [12:36] RX packets 366 bytes 31578 (31.5 KB) [12:36] RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 [12:36] TX packets 0 bytes 0 (0.0 B) [12:36] TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 [12:36] !paste | alpha [12:36] alpha: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [12:38] tomreyn, I have a 165Gb external USB storage mounted to this laptop now. [12:39] BlackDalek: do you happen to know whether this mac is 64-bit capable? [12:39] BlackDalek: wrong question, let me rephrase: Do you know whether the Ubuntu you have/had installed there is a 32- or 64-bit one? [12:40] Sorry had no intention of spamming. [12:40] tomreyn, I seem to recall it being a core 2 duo, but being nobbled by Apple to only have the capability of booting in 32-bit mode.. but I think the installed OS was 64-bit [12:41] Here is the ifconfig > http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tgpKQfJY6n/ [12:41] BlackDalek: uuh, i'm sorry but i'm not going to try to recover a 32-bit UEFI system. [12:42] My wireless connection is working as intended. However my wired connection is not working. Any help ? [12:43] BlackDalek: but i'll tell you the general approach: you should download the 64-bit installer of the ubuntu flavour you had installed, version 18.04.2, and use the "etcher" software to write the installer iso to the external storage. [12:44] BlackDalek: then you'll boot off it and do this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Update_Failure [12:45] tomreyn, I believe the Apple model identifier is macmini2,1. Is there any way I can confirm that the UEFI is 32-bit? Oh not that etcher thing... I went through that path looking for a way to make it work and I had access to no hardware capable of running it. [12:45] BlackDalek: while on the chroot, you should "update-initramfs -k all" [12:45] i have installed svox package, but i don't know how to use it [12:47] BlackDalek: interesting that etcher doesn't work for you, i'd be interested in details, since, so far, to me, it seems to work on most OS and system configurations. you can use any other ISO image writer, or just cat or dd, too. [12:48] the default ubuntu image writer is usb-creator-gtk for gnome/gtk based desktops, usb-creator-qt for kde / qt based desktops. [12:48] alpha: well first things to check are Is the cable plugged in? Are there lights on the device / other end (router) to indicate a signal? Then maybe try `sudo dhclient enp4s0` to manuslly tell it to get a DHCP address [12:48] tomreyn, I think the problem was it only works on OS above a certain release and I had no hardware with the required OS release level. [12:48] Yes the cable is plugged lights are on [12:49] nerdcore: Yes router is indicating a signal that the device is on and working as it should. [12:49] alpha: the driver is working and receiving packets ("rx") and no Errors so those are good signs. [12:49] tomreyn, the update-initranfs is expecting a missing switch/option (-c -u or -d) [12:49] whale1: see if you can find some documentation online. usually ubuntu packages place documentation in /usr/share/doc/ and additionally provide documentation for their main commands which can be read using "man " after installing the "man-db" package [12:49] nerdcore: Good to know that. Let me give you a screenshot. Wait === murthy is now known as phoenix_firebrd_ [12:50] BlackDalek: -u - but i doubt you were this fast to write the installer to storeage, boot off it and chroot mount [12:51] BlackDalek: so it should have been: update-initramfs -k all -u [12:51] nerdcore: I am afraid I cannot reproduce what the error is. [12:52] nerdcore: but here is what happens. When I start my computer my doesn't automatically connect to ethernet which it should. The wireless works great but every time I boot I have to create a wired connection to use the ethernet. [12:53] tomreyn, whoops.. sorry, I missed some of your messages. I am two steps ahead of myself [12:53] tomreyn: i knew it , thanks ! [12:55] BluesKaj, yes. Im using ssh to test. === phoenix_firebrd_ is now known as murthy [12:56] Is there a way to remove apt from ubuntu? eg. portage on gentoo will remove itself if invoked `emerge -C portage* [12:57] kreyren: why would you want to? [12:57] arpad2: i'm downloading those now, will try them in a VM to ensure they're not generally broken. [12:58] ryuo: freedom, i want to have apt available on demand [12:58] that's apt to be a mistake. [12:58] alpha: so you are able to get ethernet working msnually? sometimes? have you looked at these instructions for 18.04? https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html.en-CA#ip-addressing [12:58] tomreyn: ok, thanks, I'm struggling to download one of the check files [12:58] ryuo: wut? [12:59] kreyren: bad joke, but that's critical software. i've never tried it. [12:59] kreyren: "have apt available on demand" sounds to me like you should leave it installed ;) [12:59] kreyren: check out dpkg i guess. [12:59] nerdcore: Yes I can use it manually, but if I put my computer suspend after it wakes it doesn't at all. Even after creating a new connection manually. [12:59] arpad2: just to not waste my time here, please (read twice and then) confirm that you downloaded both the 18.04.2 and 18.10 xubuntu images via bittorrent from xubuntu.org, wrote both of them to *both* optical media and usb storage, and could not boot off either. [12:59] tomreyn, :( I can't remember for certain if I had a 64bit or 32bt Ubuntu OS installed on the mac. [13:01] * nerdcore considers the implications, both practical and philosophical, of `sudo apt remove apt` [13:02] tomreyn: correct, the installation starts but fails to fully boot,when either I choose live session or when I would start to install to the system [13:02] BlackDalek: you should be able to tell from the initrams which your system boot currently 'fails' to. running "cat /proc/version" should tell whether this is an 686 (32-bit) or amd64 (64-bit) kernel. [13:03] arpad2: how much RAM does this system have? [13:03] tomreyn: 8gb [13:04] alpha: how are you "creating a connection manually"? This can be done some different ways, so which are you doing that you find does work (when it does)? [13:05] tomreyn, ok, yes. It does claim to be amd64. Now I know which version of 16.04 installer to download. [13:05] arpad2: okay, i'll test. which graphics card do you have there? which cpu? [13:05] BlackDalek: good. [13:05] nerdcore: System > Connections > Click on + sign > Wired. That's it [13:06] nerdcore: its kubuntu. [13:06] tomreyn: i7 3740 QM and GTX 675 mx, but the current system is broken, no video driver is working, only software rendering is active [13:07] nerdcore,ryuo: meaning? [13:07] tomreyn: that's why I need reinstalling [13:07] arpad2: does it boot in uefi or bios mode? [13:08] arpad2: i understood, but thanks for clarifying. [13:08] kreyren: I just tried this, since you have me curious. :) It produces two SERIOUS warnings about this being critical system software and probably a very bad idea and the default answer to continue is no longer "Yes" but would need to type a confirmation response "Yes, do as I say!" in order for apt to remove itself: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hCRTt94V7h/ [13:08] tomreyn: hmm, I think bios, uefi is disabled [13:08] kreyren: apt is not considered Optional software in the Ubuntu system. [13:08] nerdcore: perfect ty [13:09] nerdcore: is there a way for apt to install packages on non-debian system? alike `ROOT=PATH emerge portage` will install portage on PATH [13:09] kreyren: so I guess you could `sudo apt remove apt` but it is a *very* BAD IDEA and not recommended. [13:11] nerdcore: noted perfect ty :3 about that ROOT variable? [13:11] alike change root directory for apt [13:11] kreyren: I'm not familiar with portage. Would that command unpack the software into 'PATH' instead of '/'? [13:12] nerdcore: correct [13:14] tomreyn, ok. I now have the 16.04.5 ISO, 18.04.2 ISO and USB storage device. Step 1 on that link tells me to boot the Ubuntu Live CD... which I don't have. [13:14] alpha: what version? There are many ways to potentially configure network interfaces such as /etc/network/interfaces or NetworkManager or maybe something else in kubuntu [13:15] http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y4cXywc7XY/ <- uname -a [13:15] Kubuntu 18.04 [13:16] I only use the GUI method for using this [13:16] arpad2: in a VM, the torrent-downloaded 18.10 amd64 image starts fine for me in bios mode, both using the installer and entering the live system. [13:16] tomreyn: ok, thanks [13:16] tomreyn, am I writing the 16.04 or 18.04 installer to the external storage, and which Ubuntu utility should I use to write it to the device? [13:17] nerdcore: There is something interesting in /etc/network/interfaces > http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tq9vjRgswV/ . No enp4s0 in interfaces [13:18] kreyren: for that you might want to look at dpkg instead of apt. dpkg is the more "raw" package manager on the command line. Seems `dpkg-deb -X` might be what you are looking for. [13:18] BlackDalek: personally i like etcher, but any other utility which can create installers from ISO files should work, too. as i previously stated "the default ubuntu image writer is usb-creator-gtk for gnome/gtk based desktops, usb-creator-qt for kde / qt based desktops." [13:19] nerdcore: dpkg-deb -X to remove package correct? [13:19] kreyren: no for unpacking elsewhere [13:20] BlackDalek: use dd https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal on Linux and Universal USB Installer if on windows. [13:20] arpad2: the torrented xubuntu 18.04.2 amd64 ISO also starts fine for me in bios mode, both using the installer and entering the live system. [13:20] tomreyn: thank you for checking it for me! [13:20] arpad2: so this suggests it is hardware / driver / firmware related. [13:20] kreyren: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/dpkg.1.html [13:20] arpad2: you're welcome. [13:20] nerdcore: i see. Will it install package dependencies too? [13:21] tomreyn: ok, so I will have to take the laptop to get repaired [13:21] arpad2: that's a bit far fetched, i'd say [13:21] kreyren: no. dpkg operates on .deb files. It is not aware of package repositories in order to satisfy dependencies [13:21] arpad2: do you have any other reasons to assume it is in any way broken? [13:21] Hi. I have a laptop with an hdmi port. When I plug in an external monitor, nothing happens. xrandr does not even list the HDMI port. What do? [13:22] tomreyn, the USB storage I am writing to is not a flash drive or other solid state but an actual 3.5 inch hard drive. Will etcher still work with that? [13:23] I have a series of JPG/PNG images that I want to compile into a video file (avi, mp4, mkv) in Ubuntu? I've tried Openshot but it won't accept still images as video frames. [13:23] me80iq: try a different cable, see what "dmesg -w" (keep it running) reports when you attach the external monitor [13:23] nerdcore: noted, thanks very helpful. [13:23] tomreyn: no, but there must be a reason why it is not working, during installation there were some I/O merror messages shown, so either the optical drive is faulty or possibly the motherboard, because pendrive fails as well, so I don't know what to do next [13:23] me80iq: you can later cancel "dmesg -w" by pressing ctrl-c [13:23] tomreyn: I've tried 2, but I also have to use it with an hdmi to display port adapter [13:24] BlackDalek: i haven't ried this, but don't see why not. [13:24] *tried [13:24] tomreyn: also in xrandr, it doesn't say "HDMI-1 disconnected" It's not even listed. The only listing are the build in screen and 2 disconnected display ports. I'll try your suggestion now [13:25] tomreyn: No messages from "dmesg -w" [13:25] BlackDalek: you might need to enable "unsafe mode" in settings, in case the disk is not listed. but be very careful to pick the right storage then [13:26] alpha: I'm not very good with the GUI things to be honest. I'm not sure whether you would be using NetworkManager or netplan or some other system to manage interfaces. [13:26] nerdcore: What do you suggest then ? [13:26] arpad2: you get those i/o errors also wehn booting off the usb stick? [13:27] tomreyn, I downloaded etcher from the balena website. the extracted file has an extension .appimage ??? I've never seen this before. How do I install this? [13:28] tomreyn: I think no, it just stopped or freezed during installation [13:28] arpad2: it could be an issue withthe storage controller indeed then. but this, too, is just a guess really. maybe try to update your bios, and reset it to defaults, then to uefi, and the disk mode to AHCI (not RAID, in case it defaults to that) then try booting from there. [13:28] alpha: 1. Keep asking, maybe some else knows ;) 2. See if you get errors in /var/log/syslog or `dmesg` related to enp4s0 after resume from suspend. 3. Try a manual `sudo dhclient enp4s0` to try to pick up a DHCP addr manually. [13:28] /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Bluerate wymmjnptmvud [13:29] nerdcore: Thanks buddy. Will check [13:29] tomreyn: ok, I'll try that , thanks [13:30] arpad2: if you have ethernet networking (not just wireless) you can also do a server installation, which has a higher chance of ausseeding, since both the image is smaller and the installer is non -graphical. [13:30] tomreyn: yes, internet is through ethernet [13:30] me80iq: hmm so the HDMI connector is not detected. did you say you have intel graphics there? [13:31] nerdcore: would you like to see these logs ? [13:31] tomreyn: I have an optimus laptop. I just checked and the external monitor doens't owrk on windows either :/ [13:31] alpha: sure but I'll be leaving for work in the next hour or so :) [13:31] tomreyn: I tried running xrandr with both the nvidia card as primairy gpu and intel card as primary gpu [13:32] nerdcore: sure if you have time. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qNCjWWRvJD/ [13:34] tomreyn, never mind. I just clicked it and it ran. The etcher app started. [13:36] Hello, does anyone has tried to configure a mesh network in ubuntu? [13:36] qwebirc15375: That would be a better question for ##networking [13:37] tomreyn, Etcher did complain that my external device was "too large", but I told it to go ahead anyway. It is "flashing" my external HDD. [13:37] arpad2: here's something else you can try: boot off the 18.04.2 again. keep hitting shift or escape when it shws those 2 icons on the bottom. [13:38]