| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: I think that -controls needs a part that disables cadence. | 16:16 |
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| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: I completely and 100% agree. Perhaps we need to fix the packaging to uninstall. Also, have it detect for anything in ~/.pulse and remove it, or at least have the option. Or something. We need to, basically, have it kill Cadence with fire if it's installed. | 16:24 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: we need to A) install a cadence.desktop file in ~/.config/autostart that has a don't run line init, B) stop the running process C) remove the user's pulse configure D) start pulse E) finally -controls can do it's thing. | 16:28 |
| Eickmeyer | Is that something we can add as a button to -controls? (Fix user audio configuration) | 16:29 |
| OvenWerks | To re-enable cadence , just remove the *.desktop we installed and re login | 16:30 |
| OvenWerks | or remove the desktop file and start cadence as an app. | 16:31 |
| Eickmeyer | As it is right now, -controls can't even be installed at the same time, meaning Cadence has to be removed first. iirc, we did that deliberately. | 16:31 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: I would not add a button to fix the config. I would just do that and maybe add a dialog that explains that the two can not run together and so it is being disabled. | 16:32 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: then add a button to re enable cadence. | 16:32 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay, that sounds good. | 16:36 |
| OvenWerks | Not sure when I will get to that... have a death in the family and so dealing with all that brings | 16:39 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: speaking of installers... did we add libjack-jackd2-dev to audio core? | 16:40 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: I don't believe we did. | 16:42 |
| Eickmeyer | Would that prevent jack (1) from being installed? | 16:42 |
| Eickmeyer | (I realize that's the goal) | 16:42 |
| OvenWerks | well maybe, I think installing libjack-dev may still do odd things... maybe we can blaklist it somewhere? | 16:43 |
| Eickmeyer | I think the only way to do that is by putting a Conflicts: line in ubuntustudio-audio-core. | 16:44 |
| OvenWerks | Would that stop "Software" from removing core? | 16:44 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes. But, just FYI, I tried installing libjack-dev from the command line, and it completely blocked it, so I think we're already good. | 16:45 |
| Eickmeyer | libjack-dev : Depends: libjack0 (= 1:0.125.0-3build1) but it is not going to be installed | 16:46 |
| Eickmeyer | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 16:46 |
| Eickmeyer | If someone installs libjack0, however, then it looks like it will try to switch to jackd1. | 16:46 |
| OvenWerks | There is no reason to do that, it is just the people who want to build a jack application. when building thing the common thing is to find the lib* package and just install the lib*-dev package | 16:48 |
| Eickmeyer | That's true. So, should we not worry about it then? | 16:49 |
| Eickmeyer | I mean, since it's already blocked. | 16:49 |
| * OvenWerks shrugs | 16:50 | |
| OvenWerks | I really don't know. | 16:50 |
| OvenWerks | I will be glad when falktx has depricated jackd1 | 16:50 |
| Eickmeyer | Installing libjack0 removes -controls, -default-settings, -dekstop, -desktop-core, -installer, and -menu. | 16:50 |
| OvenWerks | (yes that is the plan) | 16:50 |
| Eickmeyer | So, right now, if you force libjack-dev to install, it will remove things that make Ubuntu Studio... Studio. It also removes qjackctl, qtractor, ardour, gladish,... basically everything. | 16:52 |
| OvenWerks | -controls won't work with jackd1 (though it could be made to) | 16:52 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, uh, let's not. | 16:52 |
| OvenWerks | ;) | 16:52 |
| Eickmeyer | hehe | 16:52 |
| OvenWerks | I would rather suggest to "Ubuntu" that the jackd1 packages not be in the repo... | 16:53 |
| OvenWerks | but there are a (very) few cases where jackd1 does make sense | 16:54 |
| Eickmeyer | It seems to be harder to remove a package once it's in the repo. | 16:54 |
| OvenWerks | falktx is working to add those things to jackd2 and retire jackd1... (he now maintains both) | 16:54 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, I think moving Carla to it's 2.0 version is part of that. I don't know what else he's using jackd1 for. | 16:55 |
| OvenWerks | Paul stopped maintaining jackd1 and opened it up for someone to take over, falktx took it over and is working to make it so only one version is needed | 16:56 |
| OvenWerks | I expect jackd1 will eventually vanish due to bitrot. (at least in an official way) | 16:57 |
| Eickmeyer | Ala Patchage. | 16:58 |
| Eickmeyer | (as we're trying to do) | 16:58 |
| OvenWerks | Patchage still works for me. | 16:58 |
| Eickmeyer | Same, but bitrot. | 16:58 |
| OvenWerks | patchage has new commits as of last month... | 16:59 |
| Eickmeyer | Wait.. whut? | 17:00 |
| * Eickmeyer is shocked | 17:00 | |
| OvenWerks | http://git.drobilla.net/cgit.cgi/patchage.git/log/ | 17:00 |
| OvenWerks | maybe the debian package has the wrong upstream url? | 17:01 |
| Eickmeyer | It's possible, but does this negate getting Carla to replace it? | 17:01 |
| OvenWerks | I don't think it matters. I would leave patchage around anyway... | 17:02 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay. In that case, we need to comment on that bug report Ross created. | 17:02 |
| OvenWerks | Starting Carla to make patching changes in jackd seem counter intuitive | 17:03 |
| * Eickmeyer does it all the time | 17:03 | |
| Eickmeyer | IMO, it's a better patchbay. | 17:03 |
| OvenWerks | The problem is that there is no new release in the past 3 years | 17:04 |
| Eickmeyer | I was just about to mention that. More like 5 years. http://drobilla.net/category/patchage/ | 17:05 |
| OvenWerks | tag namev1.0.0 (5df1c18dde1d1eb9ad0caac9440c8e9bbba0de10) | 17:05 |
| Eickmeyer | That might be why Debian's package hasn't seen anything. | 17:05 |
| OvenWerks | tag date2015-11-13 20:09:30 -0500 | 17:05 |
| OvenWerks | The one we have is from 2015 | 17:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay. | 17:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Still, that's some really slow development. | 17:06 |
| * Eickmeyer sigs | 17:07 | |
| Eickmeyer | *sighs | 17:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, what do you recommend? | 17:07 |
| OvenWerks | Not that there is a lot to keep it current | 17:07 |
| Eickmeyer | True. But, should we drop it or keep it? | 17:08 |
| OvenWerks | If it is not broken in the new cycle it is ok. If it starts breaking, then A) bug david for a new release or B) ask debian to use master C) use master in Ubuntu. | 17:09 |
| OvenWerks | So keep it. | 17:09 |
| Eickmeyer | Okay. | 17:09 |
| OvenWerks | Does it pull in libs that nothing else uses? | 17:09 |
| Eickmeyer | I don't think so... I could check. | 17:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Or, either of us could. | 17:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Either way, if we want to keep it, then we need to comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1817262 | 17:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1817262 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Drop Patchage from Ubuntu Studio seeds once Carla is uploaded" [Undecided,New] | 17:10 |
| Eickmeyer | And https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1817264 | 17:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1817264 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Upload Carla as a replacement for patchage " [Undecided,New] | 17:11 |
| OvenWerks | libgtk2.0-0? | 17:11 |
| Eickmeyer | No, there's a ton of xfce stuff that depends on that. | 17:12 |
| Eickmeyer | Not to mention Ardour and Audacity among others. | 17:12 |
| OvenWerks | Right I would just change the title of the bug that CXarla replaces jackrack | 17:13 |
| Eickmeyer | That's probably better. It definitely replaces jackrack, which I can't get to work properly ever. | 17:13 |
| OvenWerks | Which was my original reason for suggesting Carla | 17:13 |
| Eickmeyer | I see. | 17:13 |
| OvenWerks | changed the topic | 17:14 |
| OvenWerks | So di you :) | 17:15 |
| OvenWerks | (actually it is jack-rack) | 17:16 |
| Eickmeyer | Fixed the other bug too (for meta). | 17:18 |
| Eickmeyer | He'll get the message. | 17:18 |
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