[16:16] Eickmeyer: I think that -controls needs a part that disables cadence. [16:24] OvenWerks: I completely and 100% agree. Perhaps we need to fix the packaging to uninstall. Also, have it detect for anything in ~/.pulse and remove it, or at least have the option. Or something. We need to, basically, have it kill Cadence with fire if it's installed. [16:28] Eickmeyer: we need to A) install a cadence.desktop file in ~/.config/autostart that has a don't run line init, B) stop the running process C) remove the user's pulse configure D) start pulse E) finally -controls can do it's thing. [16:29] Is that something we can add as a button to -controls? (Fix user audio configuration) [16:30] To re-enable cadence , just remove the *.desktop we installed and re login [16:31] or remove the desktop file and start cadence as an app. [16:31] As it is right now, -controls can't even be installed at the same time, meaning Cadence has to be removed first. iirc, we did that deliberately. [16:32] Eickmeyer: I would not add a button to fix the config. I would just do that and maybe add a dialog that explains that the two can not run together and so it is being disabled. [16:32] Eickmeyer: then add a button to re enable cadence. [16:36] Okay, that sounds good. [16:39] Not sure when I will get to that... have a death in the family and so dealing with all that brings [16:40] Eickmeyer: speaking of installers... did we add libjack-jackd2-dev to audio core? [16:42] OvenWerks: I don't believe we did. [16:42] Would that prevent jack (1) from being installed? [16:42] (I realize that's the goal) [16:43] well maybe, I think installing libjack-dev may still do odd things... maybe we can blaklist it somewhere? [16:44] I think the only way to do that is by putting a Conflicts: line in ubuntustudio-audio-core. [16:44] Would that stop "Software" from removing core? [16:45] Yes. But, just FYI, I tried installing libjack-dev from the command line, and it completely blocked it, so I think we're already good. [16:46] libjack-dev : Depends: libjack0 (= 1:0.125.0-3build1) but it is not going to be installed [16:46] E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. [16:46] If someone installs libjack0, however, then it looks like it will try to switch to jackd1. [16:48] There is no reason to do that, it is just the people who want to build a jack application. when building thing the common thing is to find the lib* package and just install the lib*-dev package [16:49] That's true. So, should we not worry about it then? [16:49] I mean, since it's already blocked. [16:50] * OvenWerks shrugs [16:50] I really don't know. [16:50] I will be glad when falktx has depricated jackd1 [16:50] Installing libjack0 removes -controls, -default-settings, -dekstop, -desktop-core, -installer, and -menu. [16:50] (yes that is the plan) [16:52] So, right now, if you force libjack-dev to install, it will remove things that make Ubuntu Studio... Studio. It also removes qjackctl, qtractor, ardour, gladish,... basically everything. [16:52] -controls won't work with jackd1 (though it could be made to) [16:52] Yeah, uh, let's not. [16:52] ;) [16:52] hehe [16:53] I would rather suggest to "Ubuntu" that the jackd1 packages not be in the repo... [16:54] but there are a (very) few cases where jackd1 does make sense [16:54] It seems to be harder to remove a package once it's in the repo. [16:54] falktx is working to add those things to jackd2 and retire jackd1... (he now maintains both) [16:55] Yeah, I think moving Carla to it's 2.0 version is part of that. I don't know what else he's using jackd1 for. [16:56] Paul stopped maintaining jackd1 and opened it up for someone to take over, falktx took it over and is working to make it so only one version is needed [16:57] I expect jackd1 will eventually vanish due to bitrot. (at least in an official way) [16:58] Ala Patchage. [16:58] (as we're trying to do) [16:58] Patchage still works for me. [16:58] Same, but bitrot. [16:59] patchage has new commits as of last month... [17:00] Wait.. whut? [17:00] * Eickmeyer is shocked [17:00] http://git.drobilla.net/cgit.cgi/patchage.git/log/ [17:01] maybe the debian package has the wrong upstream url? [17:01] It's possible, but does this negate getting Carla to replace it? [17:02] I don't think it matters. I would leave patchage around anyway... [17:02] Okay. In that case, we need to comment on that bug report Ross created. [17:03] Starting Carla to make patching changes in jackd seem counter intuitive [17:03] * Eickmeyer does it all the time [17:03] IMO, it's a better patchbay. [17:04] The problem is that there is no new release in the past 3 years [17:05] I was just about to mention that. More like 5 years. http://drobilla.net/category/patchage/ [17:05] tag name v1.0.0 (5df1c18dde1d1eb9ad0caac9440c8e9bbba0de10) [17:05] That might be why Debian's package hasn't seen anything. [17:05] tag date 2015-11-13 20:09:30 -0500 [17:06] The one we have is from 2015 [17:06] Okay. [17:06] Still, that's some really slow development. [17:07] * Eickmeyer sigs [17:07] *sighs [17:07] Well, what do you recommend? [17:07] Not that there is a lot to keep it current [17:08] True. But, should we drop it or keep it? [17:09] If it is not broken in the new cycle it is ok. If it starts breaking, then A) bug david for a new release or B) ask debian to use master C) use master in Ubuntu. [17:09] So keep it. [17:09] Okay. [17:09] Does it pull in libs that nothing else uses? [17:10] I don't think so... I could check. [17:10] Or, either of us could. [17:10] Either way, if we want to keep it, then we need to comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1817262 [17:10] Launchpad bug 1817262 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Drop Patchage from Ubuntu Studio seeds once Carla is uploaded" [Undecided,New] [17:11] And https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1817264 [17:11] Launchpad bug 1817264 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Upload Carla as a replacement for patchage " [Undecided,New] [17:11] libgtk2.0-0? [17:12] No, there's a ton of xfce stuff that depends on that. [17:12] Not to mention Ardour and Audacity among others. [17:13] Right I would just change the title of the bug that CXarla replaces jackrack [17:13] That's probably better. It definitely replaces jackrack, which I can't get to work properly ever. [17:13] Which was my original reason for suggesting Carla [17:13] I see. [17:14] changed the topic [17:15] So di you :) [17:16] (actually it is jack-rack) [17:18] Fixed the other bug too (for meta). [17:18] He'll get the message.