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| slashd | o/ | 18:57 |
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| tsimonq2 | Hello! | 19:02 |
| slashd | do we have something to discuss ? | 19:05 |
| cyphermox | I don't know | 19:06 |
| cyphermox | fwiw my action is done | 19:06 |
| tsimonq2 | We do | 19:06 |
| tsimonq2 | Granting ~lubuntu-dev upload permissions. | 19:07 |
| cyphermox | tsimonq2: I'm not sure why ~lubuntu-countil is in the team, sounds like it shouldn't be | 19:08 |
| tsimonq2 | cyphermox: It's a temporary measure. | 19:08 |
| cyphermox | I don't see why it needs to be in at all | 19:08 |
| cyphermox | it's definitely not going to work with having ~lubuntu-dev upload permissions | 19:09 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir is the owner of the LP group and ~lubuntu-council is in the team at the moment for bus factor. | 19:10 |
| cyphermox | I still don't understand | 19:10 |
| cyphermox | gilir owning the team isn't necessarily a blocker. If he can't be reached, there's a way to request the ownership to be changed | 19:10 |
| cyphermox | OTOH, I don't think it's necessarily a given that a council member is also a developer | 19:11 |
| cyphermox | (certainly doesn't seem to be the case for other flavours) | 19:11 |
| tsimonq2 | It was not planned to keep it this way if upload permissions were granted | 19:11 |
| tsimonq2 | It's a temporary stopgap measure before ownership is transferred | 19:12 |
| cyphermox | well, I guess the point is, I would personally prefer that the teams are all properly set before we do any permissions changes (well, before the TB does) | 19:12 |
| cyphermox | no objection to lubuntu-dev being a delegated team though, that makes total sense | 19:12 |
| tsimonq2 | Well, I would like to vote on it :) | 19:13 |
| tsimonq2 | I understand | 19:13 |
| cyphermox | well, do we need to is also my question, because if we're all in agreement there is no real use in voting :) | 19:13 |
| tsimonq2 | I don't want to act unilaterally before giving DMB members time to voice any concerns | 19:14 |
| cyphermox | sure sure. | 19:14 |
| cyphermox | so, anyone objects? | 19:14 |
| cyphermox | tsimonq2: also, since ~l-council is admin, can't it change the ownership already? | 19:15 |
| cyphermox | or are you waiting for a council meeting before you do that? | 19:16 |
| tsimonq2 | Nope, only owners can transfer ownership | 19:16 |
| cyphermox | tsimonq2: or launchpad admins, if you make your case | 19:16 |
| tsimonq2 | Right | 19:16 |
| tsimonq2 | I forget if I have to file an RT or if I can just ping on #launchpad | 19:16 |
| jbicha | voting sounds reasonable. It's been several years since we've had a new delegated team with ability to ability their own members. | 19:17 |
| cyphermox | it's usually a good idea to file the RT so it's tracked | 19:17 |
| tsimonq2 | Right, audit logs and such | 19:17 |
| tsimonq2 | jbicha: I don't think it would hurt | 19:18 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: we've already reached the point where the time effect is moot, but typically if there's consensus, voting is extra | 19:18 |
| tsimonq2 | ok | 19:18 |
| cyphermox | the logs aren't any different, they're just text | 19:18 |
| cyphermox | well, if someone wants to start it.. | 19:18 |
| tsimonq2 | [ACTION] tsimonq2 to file RT transferring ownership of ~lubuntu-dev, deactivate ~lubuntu-council, ask TB to do ACL change | 19:19 |
| tsimonq2 | :P | 19:19 |
| jbicha | I don't think we started a meeting… | 19:20 |
| cyphermox | #startmeeting Developer Membership Board | 19:23 |
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| cyphermox | #topic ~lubuntu-dev delegated team | 19:23 |
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| cyphermox | tsimonq2: you want to summarize for the logs? | 19:23 |
| cyphermox | then I'll start the vote | 19:24 |
| cyphermox | slashd: around? | 19:24 |
| tsimonq2 | Sure. | 19:24 |
| cyphermox | rbasak isn't | 19:24 |
| slashd | cyphermox, yep | 19:24 |
| jbicha | oh, we're voting after all? | 19:24 |
| cyphermox | well since you all seem to need it :P | 19:24 |
| jbicha | I wasn't going to call us for us to have a vote on whether to have a vote đŸ˜‰ | 19:25 |
| tsimonq2 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2019-February/001319.html - tl;dr Lubuntu is asking for ~lubuntu-dev to be granted upload permissions to the `lubuntu` packageset. | 19:25 |
| tsimonq2 | :D | 19:25 |
| cyphermox | tsimonq2: sounds like a great summary :) | 19:25 |
| cyphermox | #vote ~lubuntu-dev to be granted delegated control over lubuntu packageset (new delegated team) | 19:25 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: ~lubuntu-dev to be granted delegated control over lubuntu packageset (new delegated team) | 19:25 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 19:25 |
| tsimonq2 | +1 | 19:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from tsimonq2 | 19:26 |
| cyphermox | +1 | 19:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cyphermox | 19:26 |
| jbicha | +1 | 19:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from jbicha | 19:26 |
| slashd | +1 | 19:26 |
| meetingology | +1 received from slashd | 19:26 |
| cyphermox | no sil2100 either | 19:27 |
| cyphermox | and no micahg. | 19:27 |
| cyphermox | #endvote | 19:27 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: ~lubuntu-dev to be granted delegated control over lubuntu packageset (new delegated team) | 19:27 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 19:27 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:27 |
| cyphermox | that was quorate anyway | 19:28 |
| cyphermox | now; one issue is that I'm not sure if we're supposed to decide if we can delegate directly, or if it needs to be approved or something | 19:28 |
| cyphermox | but I suppose, tsimonq2, if you're going to be the person bringing it up to the TB, it can be part of the discussion if there's any needed | 19:29 |
| cyphermox | I'll definitely be at the next TB meeting anyway | 19:29 |
| tsimonq2 | The original proposal I outlined was to create a new team, ~lubuntu-dev-owner, which has the DMB and ~lubuntu-council, and allow that team to approve/deny members. | 19:29 |
| cyphermox | yup | 19:30 |
| tsimonq2 | cyphermox: Is that something we decide or the TB does? | 19:30 |
| cyphermox | like kubuntu, basically | 19:30 |
| tsimonq2 | Right. | 19:30 |
| cyphermox | well, TB ultimately is responsible for granting access rights to developers, they delegate that to us | 19:30 |
| cyphermox | but it sounds exactly like what Kubuntu does, and seems like it's perfectly fine for lubuntu to do that as well | 19:31 |
| cyphermox | so you probably just need to finish sorting out the ownership of the teams and you'll be all set | 19:31 |
| tsimonq2 | Cool. | 19:31 |
| tsimonq2 | Do we have a wiki page somewhere for formally requesting that the TB edit ACLs? | 19:32 |
| tsimonq2 | (Or just generally some documentation I can follow.) | 19:32 |
| tsimonq2 | "The name 'lubuntu-dev-owner' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators. Contact Launchpad Support if you want to use this name." - heh, ok, so it'll have to be with one big ticket. | 19:33 |
| tsimonq2 | (To answer my own question: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Actions_after_a_successful_applications ) | 19:33 |
| cyphermox | oh, looky | 19:33 |
| cyphermox | that actually also covers delegation | 19:34 |
| cyphermox | we should be looking at a policy for how the applications will be managed | 19:34 |
| tsimonq2 | [ACTION] tsimonq2 to file RT transferring ownership of ~lubuntu-dev, deactivate ~lubuntu-council, ask TB to do ACL change | 19:36 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tsimonq2 to file RT transferring ownership of ~lubuntu-dev, deactivate ~lubuntu-council, ask TB to do ACL change | 19:36 |
| cyphermox | tsimonq2: we should really go over such a "policy" on the applications for lubuntu, but we can do that at a later meeting I guess? | 19:37 |
| cyphermox | that way you could write down something in the wiki like the one for the DesktopTeam; what you expect to see for an applicant, etc. | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/ | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | I wrote that when I sent the email to devel-permissions. | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | It's a more complete page which I'd like to generalize for Ubuntu Developers that shows everything I would expect a Lubuntu Developer to know, plus the application process. | 19:39 |
| cyphermox | nice | 19:40 |
| tsimonq2 | So where I'm still curious is whether that's a process that the TB or the DMB approves. | 19:40 |
| cyphermox | the knowledgebase page says it's us | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | Alright, so the vote earlier was to grant the team the packageset permissions, I guess we need a separate vote for the process? | 19:42 |
| cyphermox | slashd: jbicha: any issues with the aforementioned document? | 19:42 |
| cyphermox | or do you want to vote on it? | 19:43 |
| jbicha | I don't think we need a second vote | 19:43 |
| tsimonq2 | For the record: ~lubuntu-dev changed to self-renewal, 720 day expiry period, ~ubuntu-core-dev was already a member, added ~lubuntu-dev to ~ubuntu-dev. | 19:44 |
| cyphermox | ack | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | Oh, and ~lubuntu-council deactivated prior to doing all of that. | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | Something else I noticed when adding ~lubuntu-dev to ~ubuntu-dev; ~ubuntu-sru-developers is the only team with an expiry date. Should that be changed to "expire never"? | 19:47 |
| cyphermox | tsimonq2: you mean in ~ubuntu-dev? | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | Yes. | 19:47 |
| cyphermox | possibly | 19:47 |
| cyphermox | #topic AOB? | 19:48 |
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| cyphermox | oh | 19:48 |
| cyphermox | ok, I already did end the voting | 19:48 |
| tsimonq2 | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+member/ubuntu-sru-developers vs https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+member/kubuntu-dev | 19:48 |
| cyphermox | anything else? | 19:48 |
| cyphermox | tsimonq2: I agree. | 19:48 |
| tsimonq2 | I'll make that change then. | 19:49 |
| tsimonq2 | Nothing else from me. | 19:49 |
| cyphermox | slashd: jbicha | 19:49 |
| slashd | cyphermox, nothing else on my side | 19:49 |
| jbicha | nothing from me :) | 19:50 |
| cyphermox | ok | 19:50 |
| cyphermox | #endmeeting | 19:50 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Feb 25 19:50:20 2019 UTC. | 19:50 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-02-25-19.23.moin.txt | 19:50 |
| cyphermox | thanks everyone! | 19:50 |
| tsimonq2 | Thanks! | 19:50 |
| jbicha | bye | 19:50 |
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