[00:00] <OerHeks> tharkun, launchpad would give that info
[00:00] <tomreyn> tharkun: https://packages.ubuntu.com maybe
[00:00] <tomreyn> (but your question is pretty broad)
[00:01] <tharkun> tomreyn: Because it is indeed broad. The list is long and no need to cumber everyone with a long list.
[00:01] <puxavida> OerHeks, I can drag it down like that, but why does the scaling make the app top hide?  Not happening on all the other systems - well, I guess I don't have x2 scaling on either
[00:01] <tharkun> BTW the current LTS is 18.04?
[00:02] <tomreyn> tharkun: yes.
[00:02] <tharkun> tomreyn: Thanks a lot.
[00:02] <OerHeks> puxavida, no idea. gnome-tweak-tool can do more, font scaling..
[00:03] <tomreyn> tharkun: so you're looking for package versions, or for --version output of those daemons?
[00:03] <puxavida> i'm using xubuntu (xfce)
[00:03] <eater9> thanks @tomreyn, smart testing now. it's happened with two different drives though so i'm pretty sure it's not the hardware
[00:04] <tomreyn> eater9: then maybe it's not the drives but other hardware, like the controller or memory.
[00:04] <tharkun> tomreyn: I am looking for several "least" versions some apps need. I rather look for them before I install the distro.
[00:04] <tomreyn> eater9: so again, check your logs.
[00:04] <puxavida> I use alt-left mouse-drag to move or right mouse to resize
[00:05] <tomreyn> tharkun: oh i see. well "rmadison" on any supported ubuntu version then or https://packages.ubuntu.com
[00:07] <tharkun> tomreyn: hmmm, well, ahem ahem. cough no cough ubuntu cough installed cough here
[00:07] <eater9> @tomreyn: is there any particular logging you can recommend? there's nothing out of the ordinary in the syslog
[00:07] <eater9> SMART short test says no error
[00:08] <fassl> maybe just install the app in different distro docker containers
[00:09] <tgm4883> tharkun: I'm still not 100% sure what you're looking for, but would this help https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[00:10] <tomreyn> eater9: you can review previous boots' logs by passing decreasing values (starting at -1, then -2) to journalctl -b
[00:11] <tharkun> tgm4883: Yes it did help. I am half way through. If two more critical daemons are within parameters you got to get me stationed here for quite some timme.
[00:11] <tomreyn> eater9: you can limit the output to warinings and higher level using -p4
[00:11] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | eater9
[00:11] <tomreyn> ^ in case you'd like to share with us
[00:13] <eater9> Thanks, found that but there's nothing, the last log entry is from about 30 mins before the erroring started and it's innocuous
[00:15] <tomreyn> eater9: so it doesn't even say that the file system went read-only? which mount point was it?
[00:15] <tomreyn> eater9: oh you said root file system, sorry. well that's logical then. use dmesg instead
[00:15] <eater9> It's mounted at /
[00:15] <tomreyn> unless you have a separate /var ?
[00:15] <eater9> I do not
[00:15] <tomreyn> journalctl writes to disk. if the disk it writes to can't be written to, then there's no logging.
[00:16] <tomreyn> dmesg stores logs in ram, but only since the latest reboot
[00:16] <tomreyn> also it works like a FIFO
[00:16] <tomreyn> it's the kernel's ring buffer
[00:17] <eater9> So wait till next time and then look at dmesg before I reboot
[00:17] <tomreyn> correct
[00:19] <tomreyn> eater9: you could post your disks' smartctl -x if you want them reviewed, but then you already said (and i agree) it's not likely it's the disks if it affects multiple disks at the same time.
[00:20] <eater9> thanks! here's that http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4zVqhv5Kkb/
[00:22] <amcclure> hello
[00:26] <tomreyn> eater9: your drive is not in the your version of smartmontools' drive db. you may want to look for a newer drive db (look at update-smart-drivedb(8) for the drive db locations - unfortunately the update-smart-drivedb command itself was removed)
[00:30] <tomreyn> eater9: is this a new system in general? then also look for bios updates, mabye there are still some quirks with the controller firmware.
[00:31] <tomreyn> eater9: the s.m.a.r.t. data suggests there were 21 communication errors between controller and drive which led to a need to do a controller<->drive reset.
[00:32] <eater9> Yeah, brand new system, firmware is the latest though, here's an updated smart test: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jHZc2DYPgN/
[00:33] <tomreyn> eater9: which ubuntu version are you actually running there?
[00:34] <eater9> xubuntu 18,04
[00:34] <tomreyn> eater9: but not a standard kernel?
[00:36] <eater9> oh yes I installed 4.20.5 to try to fix a graphics issue but I'm not wedded to it
[00:40] <tomreyn> eater9: the new drive database offered no relevant new results. also, this drives' firmware is current.
[00:40] <tomreyn> eater9: so, yes, wait for it to happen again, look at dmesg
[00:41] <eater9> will do! I appreciate all the help
[00:42] <tomreyn> eater9: welcome. one more thing you could try is whether you can cause it to become unstable using "fstrim -v " against a less important file system.
[00:42] <tomreyn> some ssd models will respond badly to it, those times *should* be over, but you never know.
[00:43] <eater9> OK, i'll create a less important fs when I have a moment
[00:44] <tomreyn> eater9: also copy, delete, and copy again some files there, otherwise there's nothing to be done for fstrim
[00:45] <tomreyn> eater9: if this does nothing, remount the file with the 'discard' option and repeat the copy/delete/copy
[00:48] <eater9> All right
[00:56] <vx_> ..
[00:57] <vx_> ..
[00:57] <pragmaticenigma> vx_: Do you have an Ubuntu support question you would like to ask?
[00:58] <vx_> ?
[01:10] <Mystified> need some help with activating right click on keyboard mouse.
[01:10] <Mystified> it works in some apps
[01:10] <Mystified> not like default
[01:10] <Mystified> ie I cant use in browser
[01:11] <Mystified> like here in chat. i cant R Click copy etc
[01:11] <Mystified> then paste
[01:12] <Mystified> all of those options dont pop up
[01:14] <FurretUber> I'm trying to set one grub entry at 40_custom but it is not working. The idea is to set the `root` to another partition by `UUID`. My attempt is to use: `search.fs_uuid --set 2BAAFD1D167FAF03`  but it fails with `erro: no such device: --set.`
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> Mystified: If it works in some apps and not in others, that would indicate it is a fault with that particular application. It could be that the application doesn't understand the key code or is out-right ignoring it. There is no way for you to fix it. You can file a bug report on the applications and hope that it gets addressed
[01:15] <FurretUber> If I remove the --set it echoes what should be the correct value: hd0,msdos3, but then I can't use it to effectively set the root
[01:17] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: Have you tried asking in #grub?
[01:18] <FurretUber> Not yet, I'll ask there, thank you for suggesting
[01:20] <pragmaticenigma> I have a feeling this time of day might be very quiet in all rooms. FurretUber , 13:00 to 21:00 UTC is a very active time in these channels
[01:23] <FurretUber> Well, I asked this on five different places, hopefully someone will know. What complicates things further is that Ubuntu's grub has no output for commands
[01:31] <pragmaticenigma> FurretUber: Hope you have some luck. I don't think Ubuntu does anything special with Grub, should be the same as other distros. But it could be configured to suspress some stuff
[01:32] <Mystified> Simulate a right mouse click
[01:32] <Mystified> You can right-click by holding down the left mouse button. This is useful if you find it difficult to move your fingers individually on one hand, or if your pointing device only has a single button.
[01:32] <Mystified> from ubuntu help
[01:32] <Mystified> unable to make this work
[01:38] <EriC^^> FurretUber: that uuid doesnt look like ext4
[01:39] <EriC^^> FurretUber: nevermind
[01:40] <FurretUber> You were right. It is NTFS. I want to load ISOs from the NTFS partition. I'm using the exact same thing I used to load from FAT32 and that worked
[01:41] <FurretUber> So I could load the Ubuntu Mini ISO using UEFI
[01:41] <tomreyn> Mystified: hmm right i can't make it work either, just tried. the pointer doesn't change color either. maybe it requires logging off and on again, or it's just buggy. i run 18.04.2
[01:43] <mustmodify> compdoc: still here?
[01:49] <whoareU> there has several weird icon which i don't konow in my icon panel, how do i remove it
[01:49] <mustmodify> yell really loudly.
[01:49] <Mystified> tomreyn: tried that but no luck.. no typical default  r click mouse functions.. ive tried reinstalling 3 times
[01:49] <xamithanx> what's an icon panel
[01:49] <mustmodify> "GO AWAY ICONS"
[01:49] <Mystified> to see if it made a difference
[01:50] <xamithanx> is that the taskbar or the menu
[01:50] <tomreyn> Mystified: then i'd say file a bug.
[01:50] <tomreyn> Mystified: or rather look for a bug report first, which also may have a workaround. and only file one if there's none, yet.
[01:51] <whoareU> https://img.vim-cn.com/9d/675de7363312c2f644f3eeaad72255cc2b6e08.png
[01:51] <whoareU> no, the paste is wrong
[01:52] <Mystified> thanks
[01:54] <FurretUber> I managed to set the root but then it fails with "erro:INDX label not found". It seems to be a problem specific of the particular directory
[01:56] <verno> Hi, I uninstalled Windows with OS-Uninstaller, and I can't seem to boot Ubuntu. I tried using boot-repair, however that halts. Maybe someone could guide me through the terminal rpocess?
[01:57] <whoareU> xamithan: the icon panel , i meaning this :https://img.vim-cn.com/b4/8cf14fdf4e90e46a2802202668f752e6897856.png
[01:58] <xamithan> so the menu,  there is .desktop files somewhere in the system you can delete
[01:58] <xamithan> was it .local/share/applications ?  or /usr/share/applications
[01:59] <whoareU> there have a icon with weired name can be display normally,
[02:00] <whoareU> can't be display normally
[02:00] <xamithan> you can edit the desktop file and change the icon if you want too
[02:00] <whoareU> how to do it ?
[02:01] <xamithan> with a text editor ?
[02:02] <whoareU> ye, i don't know which file could be edit
[02:03] <xamithan> look in those two locations I gave you,  find the whatever.desktop file
[02:03] <xamithan> It will have a line saying icon
[02:04] <Woet> why does smartmontools require postfix? how can I install it without it?
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> Woet: Because it can be configured to send e-mails to system admins that are monitoring disk drive health
[02:07] <Woet> pragmaticenigma: I know, and I'm not interested in that, I have my own monitoring tools for that
[02:07] <Woet> pragmaticenigma: I just need the smartctl CLI tool
[02:07] <tomreyn> Woet: it doesn't depends on it, it recommends it
[02:07] <tomreyn> indirectly via mailx | mailutils
[02:07] <Woet> tomreyn: it's not under "Suggested packages", it's actually under "The following additional packages will be installed"
[02:08] <Woet> tomreyn: not sure how to get smartctl without postfix then (besides compiling from source)
[02:08] <tomreyn> Woet: your system will be configured to install recommended packages by default, which is a dfeault configuration
[02:08] <tomreyn> apt-cache show smartmontools | grep -E '^(Depends|Recommends)'
[02:08] <Woet> ok, --no-install-recommends
[02:08] <tomreyn> thi is to show it's Recommended, not depended
[02:09] <Woet> sorry about that, just needed the right Google query
[02:09] <tomreyn> okay, would have told oyu this option next ;)
[02:10] <Woet> thank you!
[02:10] <tomreyn> yw
[02:15] <whoareU> xamithan: there have so many file with suffix .desktop , no whatever.desktop exist,
[02:15] <xamithan> whatever being the placeholder for the application name you want to edit
[02:16] <xamithan> We have no idea which icon you are referring to
[02:16] <xamithan> If i wanted to replace the firefox icon,  it would be firefox.desktop
[02:19] <whoareU> first , i don't know the icon 's name which i hope to remove , because it display weird name which is a bizarre shape
[02:21] <whoareU> xamithan: https://img.vim-cn.com/55/4814dc49683dda2f192603a07a6a88df895313.png
[02:21] <verno> Can anyone help me with reinstalling grub? trying to do it through terminal, boot-repair halts on me
[02:23] <xamithan> well it looks like an application installed with nsis
[02:23] <xamithan> is it something you installed?  it'll probably by under .local/share/applications
[02:24] <xamithan> only thing i can tell you is look for something funky with a unicode name,  or one you don't recognize
[02:24] <Tin_man> whoareU, that looks like an nero icon ..
[02:25] <Tin_man> distorted, but that's what it looks like to me..
[02:29] <whoareU> what's more , i can't open and find any information with it
[02:41] <pragmaticenigma> I'm currently having an issue where trying to access a USB drive is returning a "you are not authorized" message. I have used this device many times, and it has no issues in other machines. syslog doesn't return anything useful
[02:42] <pragmaticenigma> along with that, Dolphin refuses to load
[02:56] <nshirelaptop> I've got a weird issue where chromium keeps disappearing from my taskbar after a while. I can still alt-tab back into it though.
[03:07] <Deihmos> ubuntu yaru theme actually looks pretty good
[03:47] <tinker> hello
[03:48] <tinker> hello running armbian on tinkerboard ASUS and in Africa Kenya
[03:50] <certifiedloud> @cyberbob
[03:50] <cyberbob> :)
[03:50] <certifiedloud> Dig the name
[03:53] <tinker> anone online
[03:59] <Bashing-om> TimeDoctor: ubuntu support channel - ask your ubuntu support question :)
[04:04] <[RobDude]> I'm trying to setup my NAS device to automatically mount when my system starts.  I've configured /etc/fstab and ran a bunch of commands I didn't really understand....but it works great.  The problem is that each time I shutdown my machine, when I restart and go to /media/myNas it is empty.  Running 'sudo mount -a' fixes this; but I'd like to avoid running the command each time.  Does anyone know what I've done wrong/what I should do to
[04:04] <[RobDude]> get this taken care of?
[04:08] <mutation> hi
[04:17] <kjoshi> anybody here tried pipewire on 18.04 to get screen-sharing working?
[04:17] <kjoshi> for Wayland that is..
[05:03] <mozpedia> !info wx-common
[05:03] <Guest94598> cya
[05:13] <Guest94598> GGggGgg
[07:04] <qwebirc84958> I'm having an issue with Chrome on Ubuntu
[07:04] <qwebirc84958> It is running two different instances, one of which isn't using the right profile folder and keeps asking to unlock the keyring
[07:04] <qwebirc84958> that's the one that launches when I use the dock or app page to launch chrome
[07:16] <dan01> Hi, if you're using Firefox, could you got to about:support and tell me what value do you have under Graphics and Compositing, mine is saying basic, and I'm worried about that, means no hadrware acceleration for video.
[07:32] <IIIPER> basic. for mine. webgl disabled. which none of that matters to me on my laptop. as its only 1ghz w/ 4gb lol
[07:34] <catbeard> hey getting lightdm systemctl status failed instead of a login screen after installing nvidia drivers from the latest .run file
[07:34] <catbeard> lightdm "error getting user list from org.freedesktop.Accounts: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.SerivceUnknown"
[07:35] <catbeard> bunsenlabs 9.8 helium
[07:36] <IIIPER> Missing accountsservice package?
[07:36] <catbeard> XAyes
[07:36] <catbeard> yes
[07:37] <catbeard> rebootering and trying again
[07:39] <catbeard> so /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log says
[07:39] <catbeard> Could not run plymouth --ping: (no such file or directory)
[07:39] <catbeard> ah wait
[07:39] <catbeard> full logz
[07:39] <ducasse> catbeard: you shouldn't install from the .run file, but the packages in the repos or the ppa
[07:40] <catbeard> i have a gtx 1050 4g
[07:40] <catbeard> which driver do i need to use
[07:40] <IIIPER> from 2014 Try changing the setting in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf from 'default' to 'bspwm'.
[07:42] <catbeard> ?
[07:43] <IIIPER> im searching for your errors and thats what it says. but like ducasse stated best to get the packages from repos etc.
[07:43] <ducasse> catbeard: anyway, as this isn't ubuntu we can't help you - bunsenlabs isn't supported here
[07:45] <catbeard> i've pasted logs there and asked ty
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> !who | IIIPER
[08:02] <IIIPER> lame
[08:12] <morenoh149> any reason why I can't make a symobilic link inside a hidden dir in my home dir?
[08:12] <morenoh149> like I can do it but it's not showing the files contents
[08:15] <ducasse> morenoh149: exactly what happens?
[08:17] <morenoh149> I tried ln -s <path to dotfiles>/.vim/vimrc .vim/vimrc but .vim/vimrc is a dangling symlink and it show red text on black
[08:17] <morenoh149> ducasse:
[08:19] <ducasse> morenoh149: check that you didn't make a typo in the path to the file
[08:24] <collinsmarra> i try to fix broken packges but my software manager still has a problem with installing applications
[08:26] <ducasse> which software manager?
[08:28] <guiverc> morenoh149, you said /.vim/vimrc ?? is that right; you've created a .vim directory in root (/)?  or did you mean ~/.vim...
[08:28] <kuter> hi guys, I've got dell xps with preinstalled windows 10 .. I'd like to install xubuntu .. any advices ? I'm downloading iso now.
[08:28] <morenoh149> guiverc: nah I made .vim in home
[08:28] <collinsmarra> synaptic package manager
[08:29] <guiverc> okay sorry morenoh149, I misread (missed the <path..> because of spaces.. my mistake sorry
[08:29] <ducasse> collinsmarra: does 'sudo apt install -f' finish without errors?
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> kuter: is your plan singleboot or dualboot?
[08:30] <kuter> lotuspsychje: I'd like to have windows too so dualboot will be the choice
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | kuter see also !uefi
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> kuter: another alternate could also be, to create a recovery windows stick and install xubuntu singleboot. depending of why you need windows for you could virtualbox it afterwards too
[08:33] <kuter> lotuspsychje: its tricky to install ubuntu near windows nowadays ?
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> kuter: playing with uefi can be tricky yes, hence why the singleboot proposal
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> kuter: but if you really persist, there are volunteers enough to help you here
[08:35] <kuter> lotuspsychje: well I'll take a try to install ubuntu near windows
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> kuter: sure thing, before you start make sure you have a backup of your windows(data) and check the uefi tutorial
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | kuter
[08:42] <kuter> lotuspsychje: probalby all I need to do its backup windows recovery
[08:50] <LaRose_Bleu> sup nerds
[08:50] <LaRose_Bleu> i have a problem trying to install firefox on my 18.10, i get the error from apt
[08:50] <LaRose_Bleu> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_65.0+build2-0ubuntu0.18.10.1_amd64.deb  Connection failed [IP: 91.189.88.162 80]
[08:51] <LaRose_Bleu> ive updated & upgraded my unstall, ive done --fix-missing during install, ive tried with apt and aptitude, ive googled and binged and even yahoo'd help but nothing
[08:52] <morenoh149> damn yahoo usually has the answer
[08:53] <LaRose_Bleu> right? it having "yahoo answers" and all, youd expect answers
[08:54] <ducasse> how long has it been doing this?
[08:57] <LaRose_Bleu> i only tried to install it a few hours ago, its a new ubuntu installation i finished and upgraded yesterday eveening
[08:57] <LaRose_Bleu> so probably from the very beginning and i just didnt know coz i hadnt tried it
[08:58] <LaRose_Bleu> also chromium-browser gives me the same issue
[09:05] <ducasse> might just be a temporary problem with the server
[09:11] <LaRose_Bleu> alright
[09:11] <LaRose_Bleu> i'll give it a few and try again later
[09:12] <ducasse> you can also ask about that in #ubuntu-mirrors, i think
[09:17] <chull> I'm asking here because of the lateness of the hour. I have this problem and I'm trying to follow the solution in my husband's Ubuntu 18.04 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1233921  but what it says is "I deleted all the content into the Thunderbird information folder" .. then you have to reconfigure all the mail accounts again?  Is there some way to store that so I don't have to? What actually has to be deleted?
[09:18] <chull> This seems like a drastic solution. Can we save it and move it back?
[09:21] <blackflow> chull: what's the original issue?
[09:22] <GrosChien> hi
[09:22] <chalcedony> blackflow, he gets an error
[09:23] <blackflow> !details
[09:23] <chalcedony> blackflow, i'm loading it here I'm using Thunderbird 52.9.1 to access several email accounts in Ubuntu 18.04. It has alwaws worked well, but in the last few days it fails. After opening Thunderbird it shows a message: "Failed to connect to server imap.gmail.com". It keeps trying to update the inbox (Outlook, Gmail, etc.) without success.
[09:24] <chalcedony> he's using Thunderbird not gmail or chrome on the web
[09:24] <chalcedony> it says he needs cookies - does Thunderbird even use cookies?
[09:25] <blackflow> it doesn't. that "failed to connect", does it have a details view or something? it means that there's an account set up with GMail IMAP credentials and it's faililing to connect.
[09:25] <chalcedony> ok
[09:25] <blackflow> *failing
[09:25] <chalcedony> how do i get details view blackflow?
[09:26] <blackflow> chalcedony: I don't know, I don't use thunderbird. that's why I asked if there's a button or something with more details, in the popup telling you it has "failed to connect".
[09:26] <chalcedony> i can go look
[09:29] <blackflow> chalcedony: this is an example of a thunderbird "failed to connect" popup. it explains why it may've failed:  http://i26.tinypic.com/eslocm.jpg
[09:30] <blackflow> chalcedony: iirc thunderbird should also know and explain when the password or username are incorrect.
[09:30] <chull> blackflow, (me again, hubby had a stroke and can't communicate but reads mail)  i'm trying to explain to him what we need.
[09:30] <blackflow> chull: seen my last two posts above?
[09:32] <chull> blackflow, looking at your example. The error got closed.
[09:32] <blackflow> chull: if the error is persistent, you can trigger it with a simple click to get mail / refresh / resync,  I don't remember how thunderbird calls it. First button under "File" in that screenie.
[09:32] <chull> blackflow, that didn't load?
[09:33] <blackflow> chull: sorry, what?
[09:33] <chull> ah looking
[09:34] <chull> ok blackflow the error is : You've reached this page because we have detected that cookies are disabled in your browser. The page you attempted to load cannot display properly if cookies are disabled.
[09:34] <chull> Please enable cookies and retry the operation or go back in your browser.
[09:35] <blackflow> chull: that's not related to IMAP. Are you trying to click a link in an email, so the thunderbird's internal browser reports that?
[09:37] <LaRose_Bleu> do i need a DE running on a machine in order to properly tunnel X over ssh?
[09:37] <JimBuntu> LaRose_Bleu, technically speaking, no.
[09:37] <chull> blackflow it's not loading mail, hasn't for 2 days.
[09:38] <blackflow> chull: I understand, but that cookie problem has nothing to do with IMAP or email problems per se.
[09:38] <LaRose_Bleu> alright
[09:38] <LaRose_Bleu> thanks JimBuntu
[09:38] <chull> blackflow, it pops up when i hit 'get mail'
[09:39] <blackflow> chull: now, I suppose it's possible there's some thunderbird extension there that's having problems but... that's out of the scope of what I can help with
[09:39] <JimBuntu> LaRose_Bleu, You're Welcome. I hope that solved your issue.
[09:39] <chull> "Get Messages"
[09:39] <blackflow> chull: thunderbird does not use or need cookies to fetch mail. if you get that error, it's possible you have some extension there.
[09:39] <chull> blackflow, we sure appreciate your trying to help. Thanks very much!
[09:40] <blackflow> chull: you can try this:  https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/safe-mode-thunderbird
[09:40] <blackflow> that would start the bird in safe mode, no extensions, so then you can see if and what is failing better.
[09:41] <chull> blackflow, ok thanks looking :)
[09:44] <LaRose_Bleu> not yet JimBuntu, i am installing a dependency an konversation requires, libqt5core.so.5, but apt aborts after i confirm install
[09:45] <JimBuntu> yuk LaRose_Bleu , can you pastebin ( or such ) a log of this, I'm sure someone can help... if not now, then within the next few hours
[09:46] <chull> blackflow, we restarted in safe mode, now it's asking for cookies for Yahoo mail.. sigh
[09:48] <blackflow> chull: can you post a screenshot of this? you can upload to imgur.com, no login needed.
[09:48] <chalcedony> i'll try
[09:49] <LaRose_Bleu> JimBuntu: https://pastebin.com/raApFsQn
[09:49] <blackflow> chull: you can use Gimp to blur out any.... sensitive info on that screenshot.
[09:49] <chalcedony> this has been an interesting week. we've gone through two monitors..
[09:49] <chalcedony> i'll see what we can do
[09:49] <blackflow> chull: please answer through one account only, I can't be expected to keep track of who's responding to what...
[09:50] <LaRose_Bleu> i did some googles JimBuntu and this link suggested i install qt5-default . https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36128645/error-on-execution-version-qt-5-not-found-required-by
[09:50] <JimBuntu> dear Tux LaRose_Bleu , that seems bad. Someone will be able to help you though, hopefully rather soon. Give it a few minutes.
[09:51] <JimBuntu> Sorry, I have never had an abort and don't remember seeing it before :(
[09:54] <chull> blackflow, if i press 'print screen' isn't it supposed to open a box and ask me what to call it, or something?
[09:55] <Meili> chull: on KDE, if someone hasn't messed up the shortcuts, it should, yes.
[09:57] <chull> thanks Meili, it didn't but maybe it's hidden. hubby is out of the room, maybe when he gets back he will know. it's been a long time since i did this on linux.
[09:57] <LaRose_Bleu> yeah it was weird, JimBuntu, ive never had one either and this session is giving me all sort of issues
[09:57] <LaRose_Bleu> i also cant install firefox coz the update server is unreachable
[09:58] <blackflow> chull: that probably just saves in the clipboard, so you can "Paste as New" in Gimp, for example.
[09:58] <blackflow> chull: not probably, but definitely, if it doesn't pop up to ask what to do.
[09:58] <chull> blackflow, thanks i'll see if it has gimp when he's back where he can see this
[09:59] <Meili> LaRose_Bleu: does apt abort after you press "y" or does it abort immediately?
[09:59] <blackflow> chull: ubuntu default install (not minimal) comes with Gimp preinstalled. if you don't have it, it's easy to install from command line `sudo apt install gimp`. Or use software center, but be careful whether it's showing a snap or regular package.
[09:59] <LaRose_Bleu> yes Meili https://pastebin.com/raApFsQn
[10:00] <blackflow> chull: one note for gimp, you must Export, not Save As the image for upload. Save As saves exclusively in gimp format. Export can do JPEG, which you'll need for upload.
[10:00] <Meili> LaRose_Blue: I only see that "Y" with last aptitude command
[10:00] <Meili> which seems to install someting
[10:00] <LaRose_Bleu> lemme retry then pastebin for you hold on
[10:02] <LaRose_Bleu> i managed to install it Meili using aptitude, but imma uninstall and reinstall using apt to show you the error
[10:02] <LaRose_Bleu> if its still there
[10:03] <chull> blackflow sudo apt installing gimp
[10:04] <LaRose_Bleu> oh ok, Meili, installing it with aptitude earlier seems to have fixed the abort issue,w eird
[10:04] <LaRose_Bleu> it installs normally now
[10:06] <GrosChien> 1
[10:06] <Meili> LaRose_Bleu: well, that's one less issue. Anyway, it could be a terminal issue. With the "y" you input not being the "y" apt expects. If it aborts immediately (without input) it's because apt couldnt open standard input.
[10:07] <blackflow> chull: oh btw... I forgot, there should be a "Screenshot" utility/program which you can also use to save directly to a file, entire desktop, selected window, or a region of screen. might still need gimp if you wanna blur out sensitive parts.
[10:07] <verno> Hello, I uninstalled windows with OS-uninstaller, and I think it got rid of my bootloader. I tried boot-repair it halts. I have UEFI.
[10:07] <verno> anybody can guide me through installing a bootloader ?
[10:07] <LaRose_Bleu> Meili im ssh'ing into it using putty, putty should be fine right?
[10:07] <blackflow> chull: "should be" = already installed with GNOME. You can search for "Screenshot" in the dash
[10:09] <Meili> LaRose_Blue: Usually it is.
[10:11] <EriC^^> verno: are you in the live usb right now?
[10:14] <chull> blackflow, what is it we are hoping to get with the screenshot? i don't seen an error worth posting, it's just Thunderbird and the Yahoo login screen?
[10:14] <verno> EriC^^, yes
[10:17] <blackflow> chull: well that. thunderbird is an IMAP/POP3 client. it asking for cookies is a mystery to me.
[10:18] <verno> EriC^^: yes
[10:19] <blackflow> chull: especially since google shows no results about using cookies for yahoo with thunderbird, and if you're in safe mode (no extensions running) then there's something else going on. I want to see what exactly is it you have there.
[10:20] <blackflow> chull: actually there's one, for gmail... and using OAuth2 instead of regular Passwords. Is that the case there? Using OAuth?
[10:21] <chull> blackflow, i don't know what he does. he doesn't seem to recognize that word
[10:22] <EriC^^> verno: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:22] <verno> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/1pcz
[10:22] <Meili> chull: the screenshot would really help
[10:23] <blackflow> chull: so please screenshot it.    also, look at the last post here:   https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1226331     and see if doing the same (adding exceptions for cookies) fixes your problem.  It shouldn't, if you're using safe mode (no extensions!), but eh... doesn't hurt to try.
[10:23] <verno> EriC^^, as far as I understand I have a seperate UEFI partition for booting, and that software wiped it
[10:23] <chull> i'll try again on the screenshot.
[10:24] <verno> EriC^^, my ubuntu partition however, has /boot folder too with bunch of grub stuff in it though
[10:24] <EriC^^> verno: type "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[10:24] <EriC^^> verno: then "ls -l /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:25] <verno> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/88e2
[10:27] <EriC^^> verno: type "sudo blkid /dev/sda1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:28] <verno> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/zecs
[10:28] <chull> Meili, blackflow ok i have a screenshot open in gimp. i don't rememeber and he doesn't know how to blur stuff or crop or well.. anything really?
[10:29] <EriC^^> verno: type "sudo umount /dev/sda1"
[10:30] <blackflow> chull: hit the R key to select the.... selection tool :)   then click and drag to mark the area you want to blur. then click in the menu Filters -> Blur -> Pixelize -> Ok              Default 10px should suffice to mask out sensitive info, if not, raise the number
[10:31] <blackflow> chull: Ctrl+Shift+A  to deselect the selected area
[10:31] <verno> EriC^^, any idea whatsup ?
[10:31] <blackflow> chull: don't forget to Export As,  instead of Save As
[10:32] <EriC^^> verno: getting there ;)
[10:33] <EriC^^> verno: type "sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sda1"
[10:33] <verno> EriC^^, mkfs.fat 4.1 (2017-01-24)
[10:34] <EriC^^> verno: type "sudo blkid /dev/sda1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:35] <verno> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/xw32 , i thought linux needs ext3/ext4
[10:35] <EriC^^> verno: type "cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:36] <EriC^^> verno: no, for the efi partition it's a BIOS related thing, it needs to be fat fs
[10:36] <verno> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/hg7r
[10:38] <chull> blackflow, i selected a rectangle but where anything else is, i'm lost?
[10:38] <EriC^^> verno: oh sorry, type "sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt"
[10:38] <EriC^^> verno: then "cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:39] <verno> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/lgq0
[10:46] <blackflow> chull: menu at the top of the window
[10:48] <EriC^^> verno: type "sudo nano /mnt/etc/fstab"
[10:49] <EriC^^> verno: in the first line with /boot/efi in it, remove the # at the start, and make it UUID=5ECE-EB24
[10:50] <verno> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/gn4aa like this?
[10:55] <EriC^^> verno: yup, looks good
[10:55] <EriC^^> verno: ok, now to mount the various fs to chroot
[10:55] <EriC^^> verno: type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[10:56] <verno> EriC^^, got it
[10:57] <EriC^^> verno: type "sudo chroot /mnt"
[10:57] <EriC^^> verno: then "mount -a"
[10:58] <pagios>  question, if i have an nfs mount on my server, and i am writing directly to this network location, am i using the disk io of my server? or directly writing to the network?
[10:59] <verno> EriC^^, ok
[10:59] <EriC^^> verno: type "ls /sys/firmware/efi" does it list any files?
[10:59] <verno> EriC^^, yes, about 8 files
[11:01] <verno> EriC^^, 9 files sry
[11:03] <EriC^^> verno: ok, good
[11:03] <pramis> which build is convenient to run on 1GB RAM and 2-4GB space?
[11:03] <EriC^^> verno: actually can you type "exit" in the chroot?
[11:03] <verno> EriC^^, yea
[11:04] <blackflow> pramis: server, no GUI
[11:04] <EriC^^> verno: type "sudo mount -B /run /mnt/run"
[11:04] <pramis> blackflow: anything that comes with a lightweight GUI?
[11:04] <blackflow> pramis: and a debootstrap'ed one for minimal possible installation if that's really 2-4GB of disk space
[11:04] <pramis> 14.04?
[11:04] <EriC^^> verno: then "sudo chroot /mnt" again
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> pramis: or a lubuntu minimal
[11:04] <verno> EriC^^, ok, am in
[11:04] <pramis> ok
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> pramis: 14.04 goes end of life soon
[11:04] <EriC^^> verno: type "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:05] <blackflow> pramis: the UI might be "lightweight" in itself, but any GUI app you start will likely consume quite some RAM. Eg, you can forget about browsing the net.
[11:05] <verno> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/r9wk
[11:06] <blackflow> pramis: that's a highly unusal constraint though. what hardware is that?
[11:06] <_ramok> Hi, I'm running a Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS . I need to permanently change  /etc/resolved.conf  to list to 127.0.0.1 and not to 127.0.0.53 . Is there a way to achieve this?
[11:06] <blackflow> _ramok: yes, by completely disabling systemd-resolved, and if you use NetworkManager, then set its config for dns=none. restart NM, unlink /etc/resolv.conf and write out your own.
[11:07] <chull> blackflow https://imgur.com/a/OPzaEQj see if you can see that or if i need to do more?
[11:07] <EriC^^> verno: type "apt-get purge grub grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed+
[11:07] <EriC^^> verno: type "apt-get purge grub grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed+"
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> _ramok: also keep your system up to date
[11:07] <blackflow> _ramok: systemd-resolved will need to be "mask" -ed, not just "disable" -d
[11:07] <_ramok> i'm having another service where systemd-resolved is running side by side with dnsmasq. and on this machine somehow /etc/resolved.conf is pointing to 127.0.0.1
[11:08] <verno> EriC^^, asks me "remove grub2 from /boot/grub ?"
[11:08] <pramis> my current system runs windows 10 32bit with 1GB RAM. seems to work fine but i am done with the regular windows update thing. want to try ubuntu
[11:08] <EriC^^> verno: say yes
[11:08] <verno> EriC^^, grub purged.
[11:09] <blackflow> _ramok: what's listening on 127.0.0.1:53 ?
[11:09] <EriC^^> verno: it should have installed grub-efi-amd64-signed, did it mention installing it?
[11:09] <blackflow> chull: that's like the OAuth mentioned before. other than somehow enabling cookies for login.yahoo.com, I have no idea how to proceed. That's not a regular IMAP setup, and I wouldn't know where else to begin troubleshooting.
[11:10] <blackflow> chull: *likely
[11:10] <verno> EriC^^, https://pastebin.com/zGxLxiGY got this at the very end :S
[11:10] <_ramok> blackflow: https://gist.github.com/ramo-karahasan-riechardt/7fa14d5b5626da025e27d758be2b91f3   this is on the machine where dnsmasq and systemd is running
[11:10] <verno> EriC^^, the logs claim that it was setting up grub-efi-amd64-signed
[11:11] <_ramok> blackflow:  on the new machine i can't start dnsmasq since it's cannot bind to port 53:  netstat -tulpn |grep 53 tcp        0      0 127.0.0.53:53           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2265/systemd-resolv udp        0      0 127.0.0.53:53           0.0.0.0:*                           2265/systemd-resolv
[11:11] <blackflow> _ramok: right so you don't need systemd-resolved at all
[11:11] <_ramok> blackflow:  but how can on this single machine dnsmasq and systemd run on port 53 ?
[11:12] <_ramok> i mean in parallel
[11:12] <blackflow> _ramok: they obviously don't. systemd-resolved is on 127.0.0.53:53   (note the IP!)
[11:13] <blackflow> _ramok: so, you don't need systemd-resolved if you wanna use dnsmasq as the resolver, it's redundant, and probably prone to errors with systemd-resolved per se
[11:13] <_ramok> blackflow: let me shutdown systemd-resolved and start dnsmasq
[11:14] <EriC^^> verno: hmm, what does "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999" give?
[11:14] <verno> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/x7yr
[11:14] <_ramok> blackflow: only having dnsmasq running i get: nslookup google.com ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[11:15] <emilio_> hola
[11:15] <verno> EriC^^, looks like its there :))
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> !es | emilio_
[11:15] <blackflow> _ramok: and /etc/resolv.conf  pointing to 127.0.0.1   ?
[11:15] <EriC^^> verno: yeah :) looks good, try "grub-install"
[11:15] <_ramok> blackflow: no to 127.0.0.53
[11:15] <blackflow> _ramok: there you go
[11:15] <_ramok> blackflow: that was my initial question, how can i let it  point to 127.0.0.1 permanently?
[11:15] <verno> EriC^^, no errors reported
[11:15] <EriC^^> verno: "update-grub"
[11:15] <blackflow> _ramok: I'm sorry, you original question implied you knew what you were doing. Now I doubt that. What is the final outcome you want to achieve?
[11:16] <_ramok> I want to have a service discovery tool called consul running on a ubuntu 18.04.1 machine so that I can internally resolve DNS names.
[11:16] <verno> EriC^^, all good
[11:16] <blackflow> _ramok: you'll have to find out what is changing the /etc/resolv.conf. Is there NetworkManager on the system? Is it set to use dnsmasq as the resolve? Is there some network config forcing resolv.conf?
[11:16] <EriC^^> verno: ok, try restarting see how it goes
[11:16] <verno> EriC^^, before I do
[11:16] <EriC^^> verno: depending on the uefi, it might require little more dabbling to work so dont be alarmed
[11:17] <verno> EriC^^, could u explain shortly what happend
[11:17] <EriC^^> verno: i dunno what happened before, but the efi partition was ext3 and grub-pc (legacy) was installed
[11:17] <verno> ah, ok.
[11:17] <blackflow> _ramok: also make sure you unlink /etc/resolv.conf before you write your own. by default it's a SYMLINK into /run/.... which is managed dynamically, which I suppose you don't want here.
[11:17] <verno> Alright, ill reboot and see what happens, thank you very much..
[11:17] <EriC^^> verno: ok, no problem
[11:18] <_ramok> blackflow: i'll try this
[11:19] <blackflow> _ramok: though if it remains the symlink, then something is managing it. NetworkManager? Set dns=dnsmasq in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[11:19] <blackflow> _ramok: ideally you want to modify the system as little as possible to achieve what you want. you never answered if NM is present?
[11:22] <verno_> EriC^^, i could boot from partition 1 finally, but all i get was a grub bash/terminal, whatever its called
[11:22] <_ramok> blackflow: NetWorkManager folder is non-existant on this system
[11:22] <EriC^^> verno_: aha
[11:22] <EriC^^> verno_: can you be here and use the pc at the same time?
[11:23] <verno_> EriC^^, on my phone atm, so yeah.
[11:23] <EriC^^> verno_: ok, cool
[11:23] <verno_> should i boot on that partition or on the live usb again?
[11:23] <blackflow> _ramok: is there resolvconf package installed?  (note resolvconf that's package name and corresponding configs, as that'sa  tool that configures resolv.conf)
[11:24] <blackflow> (so resolvconf vs resolv.conf)
[11:24] <EriC^^> verno_: type in the grub terminal, "echo $prefix" and "echo $root" tell me what it says, also try typing "insmod normal" and see what hppens
[11:24] <EriC^^> verno_: yeah boot the partition
[11:24] <_ramok> blackflow:  no it's not installed
[11:24] <blackflow> _ramok: then I suppose resolv.conf was static? not a dynamic symlink?
[11:24] <blackflow> (sym to a dynamic file under /run)
[11:25] <_ramok> yes
[11:25] <_ramok> looks like. It is installed on the "working" server
[11:25] <verno_> EriC^^, prefix=(hd1,gpt1)/EFI/ubuntu, root=hd1,gpt1
[11:25] <blackflow> _ramok: right. so please then set the nameserver in it, and test with a reboot, that things stay as you defined.  again, might need to "mask" and not just "disable" systemd-resolved, to prevent it from starting at boot.
[11:26] <verno_> EriC^^, nothing happens if i type the last thing
[11:26] <EriC^^> verno_: ah, the prefix is wrong
[11:26] <yhgyhg> ?
[11:26] <EriC^^> verno_: type "set prefix=(hd1,gpt1)/boot/grub"
[11:26] <yhgyhg> ???
[11:26] <EriC^^> verno_: then type "insmod normal"
[11:26] <yhgyhg> 这是什么东西？
[11:27] <EriC^^> yhgyhg: which country are you from?
[11:27] <EriC^^> !cn | yhgyhg
[11:27] <verno_> EriC^^, still nothing happens
[11:27] <EriC^^> verno_: ok, try typing "configfile (hd1,gpt1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[11:27] <EriC^^> verno_: ah sorry type "normal"
[11:28] <EriC^^> before trying the configfile
[11:28] <verno_> nothing happens aith just "normal"
[11:28] <EriC^^> okk try the configfile line
[11:28] <verno_> that cleared the terminal
[11:29] <verno_> as in, everything i previously typed
[11:29] <EriC^^> verno_: hmm, ok, try booting the live usb again
[11:29] <yhgyhg> I‘m from china
[11:29] <EriC^^> yhgyhg: welcome
[11:29] <yhgyhg> I 擦
[11:30] <yhgyhg> I can not  speak English
[11:30] <EriC^^> yhgyhg: type "/join #ubuntu-cn"
[11:30] <EriC^^> you can speak chinese there and get ubuntu support
[11:31] <yhgyhg> 你会说中文吗？
[11:33] <blackflow> !cn | yhgyhg: 读这个！ :::
[11:33] <verno_> EriC^^, booted. i have nvidia gpu btw
[11:34] <EriC^^> verno_: ok, type "sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt"
[11:34] <EriC^^> verno_: then again "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i;done"
[11:34] <yhgyhg> ok
[11:34] <EriC^^> verno_: then "sudo chroot /mnt" and finally "mount -a"
[11:35] <sbrobows> #tagua
[11:35] <verno_> EriC^^, done
[11:36] <EriC^^> verno_: type "ls -lR /boot/efi | termbin.com 9999"
[11:36] <EriC^^> verno_: also "efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:38] <verno> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/gg6q
[11:38] <verno> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/waze
[11:41] <EriC^^> verno: type "mkdir /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu"
[11:41] <EriC^^> verno: also "cat /boot/efi/efi/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:42] <verno> EriC^^ /boot/efi/efi or /boot/efi/EFI
[11:42] <EriC^^> verno: it doesnt matter, fat is case-insensitive
[11:43] <verno> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/ba8e
[11:43] <EriC^^> verno: ok, type 'cp /boot/efi/efi/grub/grub.cfg /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu'
[11:44] <verno> EriC^^ ok
[11:44] <EriC^^> verno: type "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:45] <ekarlso> ls
[11:45] <verno> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/61qr
[11:46] <EriC^^> verno: that looks right
[11:47] <EriC^^> verno: ok, let's copy the grubx64.efi as well, just for kicks, "cp /boot/efi/efi/grub/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu"
[11:47] <verno> EriC^^, done :D
[11:47] <EriC^^> verno: ok, try restarting see how it goes
[11:49] <verno_> EriC^^, it worked !!!!!!
[11:49] <EriC^^> verno_: great :)
[11:49] <verno_> EriC^^, thank you very much. what the heck happened :D
[11:49] <EriC^^> the last thing was a bug it seems
[11:49] <EriC^^> no problem
[11:50] <verno_> EriC^^, you saved my ass, thanks once again, have a very nice week
[11:50] <EriC^^> thanks, you too :D
[12:06] <murthy> chrome crashed twice today and four times this month, it was a segmentation fault and it was about gl, didn't try to reproduce it and get the log. Google chrome version is 72.0.3626.119 (Official Build) (64-bit). I will try to get the debug bug message next time, in the mean time if someone faces the same situation kindly file a bug report
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> murthy: on ubuntu we actually reccomend using chromium, the chrome alternative but for ubuntu
[12:10] <Kartagis> hello
[12:11] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: we do? since when?
[12:11] <Kartagis> why can't I chmod 644 /etc/mysql/my.cnf or its link /etc/alternatives/my.cnf ?
[12:11] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: oh wait, between chrome and chromium? yes. but not in favor of FF, right?
[12:12] <blackflow> s/in favor/instead/
[12:12] <blackflow> Kartagis: doing that as root?
[12:12] <Kartagis> blackflow: with sudo
[12:13] <blackflow> Kartagis: yes that means as root. so then what error do you get?
[12:14] <blackflow> (the symlinks btw should not be chmodded)
[12:14] <Kartagis> blackflow: both are symlinks which point to each other
[12:15] <blackflow> Kartagis: uhm... to each other?
[12:15] <Kartagis> is this normal?
[12:15] <blackflow> no it's not
[12:15] <Kartagis> yep, let me show you
[12:15] <blackflow> one of them should be a regular file, most likely /etc/mysql/... one    (as alternatives as implemented as symlinks)
[12:15] <blackflow> (or it could be a symlink to somewhere else, not back to alternatives)
[12:17] <Kartagis> blackflow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KrKJZvgtNv/
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> murthy: could you join #ubuntu-discuss for a min?
[12:19] <blackflow> Kartagis: a bit convoluted but looks "okay" (no loops). looks like the final file is mysql.cnf
[12:19] <blackflow> Kartagis: don't chown symlinks, not sure you even can
[12:19] <blackflow> *chmod I mean
[12:21] <Kartagis> blackflow: On Unix platforms, MySQL ignores configuration files that are world-writable. This is intentional as a security measure. that's why I'm trying to chmod
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:22] <blackflow> Kartagis: yeah but the symlinks are RESOLVED before the file is checked for writability
[12:22] <blackflow> symlinks are expectd to be like that. don't chmod them
[12:30] <murthy> blackflow: I guess foss lovers prefer firefox if not chromium, the last option would be chrome when we are kept hostage by netflix
[12:33] <blackflow> murthy: yes and no. by default on ubuntu? yeah. otherwise chromium can be rebuilt with widevine support (needed for Netflix)
[12:33] <blackflow> I don't know why it's not default. could be licensing. FF doesn't distribute widevine. it downloads it on first run
[12:41] <murthy> blackflow: ya, but widevine is proprietary, I mean to say firefox without out proprietary stuff
[12:42] <blackflow> murthy: so? my response was to saying one needs to run chrome, if they want ot stay with chrom(e|ium) AND watch netflix.
[12:42] <blackflow> alternatively run FF just for netflix, or even better, for all :)
[12:45] <murthy> I use firefox when I want absolute privacy and safety, but for netflix and stuff chrome
[12:45] <murthy> blackflow: I tried compiling qtwebengine with widevine but with no success
[13:16] <Malgorath> What is the best VM Software for 18.04 LTS? I can install Virtualbox but not sure it the best one for running a windows guest OS
[13:17] <Milfje> Why not use Wine? I have better experiences with that than virtual machines
[13:20] <cek> well damn it. What's up wiht all these half-installed QT packages over here? it seems like hell lot of files in lib are missing
[13:21] <AlexPortable> Can someone help me getting my keyboard layout to be right? I want to be able to put ' on vowels, but not on consonants.
[13:22] <AlexPortable> example: won'<space>t, if i dont do this the t won't appear
[13:22] <cek> is there something alike rpm -V so that I reinstall broken pkgs
[13:25] <Malgorath> cek, you can use dpkg-reconfigure
[13:26] <cek> that's incorrect answer
[13:28] <Meili> cek: apt-get install --reinstall PACKAGENAME
[13:32] <Holiday> Anyone else using ifupdown in 18.04 rather than netplan (my hand was forced as I don't control our vCenter version and are on 6.0 so guest customizations don't work with netplan)? For us it's working fine most of the time with our automation provisioning, but have noted when updates are done (seems to be when systemd or parts of are updated) the VM loses it's networking
[13:34] <Holiday> I'm not sure the "why" and was wondering if anyone else had hit this before I build a new template to test but build with the netcfg/do_not_use_netplan=true
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> Holiday: ubuntu server?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Holiday, I'm using ifupdown and have netplan renderer commented, but I'm not using a VM
[13:39] <BluesKaj> I also use the interfaces file with" iface enp2s0 inet dhcp", and address,netmask and gateway IPs
[13:41] <Holiday> haven't had an issue after running apt upgrade or anything
[13:42] <Holiday> yeah I have the interfaces file all configure and it will work until like apt upgrade kicks in at times. Have seen it now on more than one VM. Guess I may rebuild the template and make sure everything was done right.. or push to get the folks to get vCente upgraded so config'ing netplan works
[13:42] <Holiday> lotuspsychje: yup
[13:42] <Holiday> er that haven't had an issue line should have been a question not a asttement BluesKaj
[14:05] <DevAntoine> Does Ubuntu 14 (yeah, I know...) supports nfs4 out of the box?
[14:05] <DevAntoine> I cannot find that info
[14:14] <AlexPortable> Can someone help me getting my keyboard layout to be right? I want to be able to put ' on vowels, but not on consonants.
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: What is the locale of your keyboard?
[14:19] <AlexPortable> right now im using us intl with dead keys
[14:28] <AlexPortable> pragmaticenigma: ^
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: My thought is to go and buy a new working keyboard as a starting point
[14:30] <AlexPortable> this keyboard works fine
[14:30] <AlexPortable> as in; it works fine in windows
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: you just said it has dead keys
[14:31] <AlexPortable> that's the name of the layout in ubuntu
[14:32] <ducasse> pragmaticenigma: 'dead keys' are keys that combine with the next keypress to form special characters
[14:33] <ducasse> pragmaticenigma: like " + o = ö
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> ah, never heard of that before
[14:43] <GrosChien> hélo
[14:47] <qwebirc39231> Hi, does anyone know how to force SSHD daemon to use all CPU cores ? I'm using winscp to download stuff from my ubuntu server, but it only maxes out 100% out of one cpu core. This makes downloads slow.
[14:51] <leftyfb> qwebirc39231: scp, no matter how big the file should not max out your cpu. Certainly not the daemon itself.
[14:52] <qwebirc39231> ok, but how to force sshd to use all cores ?
[14:53] <leftyfb> qwebirc39231: I'm uploading a 10G file to an i3 CPU and it's only 1 CPU it at less than 30% for everything
[14:54] <qwebirc39231> yeah I know, but my server is an old AMD CPU
[14:54] <compdoc> you think more trheads will make it faster?
[14:54] <leftyfb> qwebirc39231: if you're seeing a CPU spike, I would try to troubleshoot what is going on. Throwing more cores at it is not your solution
[14:55] <qwebirc39231> cpu spike is because scp over ssh is an encrypted transfer, that's why it is taking 100% of my old AMD cpu
[14:55] <qwebirc39231> but only ine core
[14:55] <compdoc> AES in your cpu is good to have
[14:56] <AlexPortable> How do I get hibernate to restore my windows? I tried changing grub according to this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate#swsusp_Troubleshooting but to no avail
[14:56] <qwebirc39231> so there is no setting to make it utilize all cpu horsepower ?
[14:58] <qwebirc39231> nevermind, thanks for help
[14:59] <cek> how do I mask incompletely installed package so that dpkg won't trigger its reconfig on each other package install?
[15:00] <leftyfb> cek: you fix or remove the package
[15:00] <cek> I can't/won't
[15:01] <leftyfb> cek: why not?
[15:17] <AlexPortable> found my keyboard problem: https://superuser.com/questions/154303/is-there-a-us-international-keyboard-layout-on-linux-that-mimics-windows-behavi
[15:22] <AlexPortable> now i need multitouch support and hibernate to work properly
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: When you say hibernate, are you refering to "Suspend-to-Disk" or "Suspend-to-RAM" ?
[15:25] <AlexPortable> disk, ram is standby
[15:26] <hggdh> AlexPortable: This is a nice find. Thank you for bringing it up here
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: The issue is that when restoring from hibernate (powering the machine back on) You've lost your session?
[15:34] <AlexPortable> yep
[15:35] <AlexPortable> hggdh: although the method described is not working in all applications, in unsupported applications pressing the ' yields no result
[15:35] <AlexPortable> pragmaticenigma: after turning it on again i'm prompted with a new session
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Are you logging off before ? Is your settings setup to prompt for a password after restore?
[15:39] <AlexPortable> it just brings me to the login screen. im not logging off beforehand (why would I? then there is no point in hibernate anymore)
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Thinking out loud ... sometimes it triggers a recall of something you might have configured
[15:41] <AlexPortable> what do you mean? it's a clean ubuntu install
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Ubuntu or Kubuntu? (recalls something about Kubuntu)
[15:41] <AlexPortable> ubuntu 18.04
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: This might work... https://askubuntu.com/a/1070371
[15:44] <AlexPortable> hibernate command not found
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: gotta read the whole post friend
[15:44] <Ool> it was pm-hibernate but I think it change
[15:45] <imed> hi
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: This article goes a little more indepth, and might help you troubleshoot: https://askubuntu.com/a/1038856
[15:45] <AlexPortable> sudo systemctl hibernate works, but doesn't restore anything
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: I believe there is a bug in that approach
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Take a look through that second article, see if any of that helps
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: log files will also have some answers, check in dmesg which has the boot log of the current boot instance
[15:49] <AlexPortable> the log is quite big, is there a timestamp i can look for in dmesg to know when i booted it again?
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> search for a keyword like hibernate
[15:51] <AlexPortable> nothing
[15:51] <Ool> did you have a swap partition > RAM ? before it was need to hibernate
[15:55] <Meili> AlexPortable: what does "cat /sys/power/disk" say?
[15:56] <AlexPortable> [platform] shutdown reboot suspend test_resume
[15:56] <AlexPortable> Ool: since 18.04 there is no swap partition anymore but a file
[15:57] <Meili> AlexPortable: I'm not sure, but I think you need a swap partition for hibernate
[15:57] <AlexPortable> it might also be that my swapfile is too small
[15:57] <AlexPortable> how do i make a swapfile? why didn't the installer tell me this
[15:59] <Meili> AlexPortable: the ubuntu 18.04 installer isnt even capable of installing a bootloader properly. Anyway, you might want to take a look here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/6769/hibernate-and-resume-from-a-swap-file
[15:59] <AlexPortable> swap partition
[15:59] <Meili> AlexPortable: wait... on 2nd thought, thats not really an answer to your question
[16:00] <AlexPortable> should i make the swapfile bigger? it's 2 gb right now, i have 8 gb ram
[16:00] <ducasse> it needs to be at least the size of your ram to hibernate
[16:01] <Meili> AlexPortable: maybe this helps: https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2018/07/14/configuring-lubuntu-18-04-to-enable-hibernation-using-a-swap-file/
[16:04] <rapidwave> Just to make absolutely sure...php-7.2-mysql and php-mysql are the packages for php to have mysql extension, correct?
[16:05] <lordcirth_> php-mysql depends on php-7.2-mysql, so 7.2 is redundant. But yes, I believe so.
[16:05] <Ool> AlexPortable: you can choose when installing
[16:19] <other_rafa> Hi, someone knows how rename a mixer control in alsa??
[16:25] <Elliria> Hey there, how would I contact the Task Coach maintainer? He's listed on the https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taskcoach/+index page, but there's no email address for him.
[16:26] <OerHeks> Elliria, you need to login on launchpad, to abtain the email of Nicolas Boulenguez
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: what is it for exactly?
[16:26] <Elliria> I did. When I view it while logged in, it says: "No public address provided."
[16:27] <Elliria> It's a reminder program and the version that's currently available in Ubuntu 18.04 has a critical bug that makes it so the program won't run at all. It's been fixed in version 1.4.4 and I was wondering if he's planning on adding that to Ubuntu because I need to upgrade since 16.04 is about to not be supported any more.
[16:27] <Elliria> I put off updating because Task Coach won't run, but it looks like I'm out of time.
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: create a new !bug perhaps?
[16:28] <Elliria> Here's the bug on Task Coach's Sourceforge page: https://sourceforge.net/p/taskcoach/bugs/1661/
[16:29] <OerHeks> Elliria, he is a debian guy, i can PM his email
[16:29] <Elliria> Where should I create it? It's considered closed on SourceForge.
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: taskcoach is on the repos, you can use ubuntu-bug too
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[16:29] <Elliria> Oh, thank you. I'd appreciate that. I'd pretty much be lost without this software. It's the best ToDo list available.
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: let me also install and test it
[16:30] <tomreyn> Elliria: ubuntu 16.04 will be supported for another 2 years.
[16:31] <Elliria> Okay, thank you. If you run it from the GUI, it won't do anything. If you run it from a terminal with the taskcoach command, you'll get the errors.
[16:31] <Elliria> Oh! I thought it would no longer be supported as of this April.
[16:31] <Elliria> [wipes sweat from brow]
[16:31] <tomreyn> that's 14.04
[16:31] <tomreyn> but if you can upgrade to 18.04, it may still be desirable.
[16:32] <Elliria> Ah, so much better. Okay, then I may just sit on 16.04 until this program is updated because I wouldn't want to be without it.
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: yes, confirmed it doesnt launch on 18.04
[16:32] <Elliria> Oh, thank you lotuspsych.
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: if you create the bug, ill affect it too for you
[16:32] <Elliria> They've fixed it in version 1.4.4, which is hopefully the very next version to be installed if they update it in Ubuntu.
[16:32] <Elliria> Okay, will do. Thank you.
[16:32] <tomreyn> softwares' website: https://www.taskcoach.org/  development is at https://sourceforge.net/projects/taskcoach/
[16:33] <tomreyn> Elliria: i think the right thing to do is to file a bug against the package and request an upgrade.
[16:33] <Elliria> Thank you, tomreyn. The developers have fixed it in a more recent version. Ubuntu isn't using that version yet.
[16:33] <Elliria> Will do. I'll have to do it from my VM, though, so I can paste in the errors.
[16:34] <tomreyn> actually if the version in bionic doesn't run then this shoul dget fixed, or replaced with an SRU, i guess.
[16:35] <other_rafa> Hi, I can add many dummy sound cards?
[16:35] <Elliria> It's working in 16.04, but not in 18.04. I'm in the process of submitting the bug.
[16:35] <tomreyn> very well :) make sure there's no such report, yet
[16:36] <Elliria> Will do.
[16:37] <tomreyn> there is bug 1769701
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: yep same output after launch
[16:40] <tomreyn> Elliria: https://sourceforge.net/p/taskcoach/bugs/1661/ mentions a !PPA, which provides a fixed version.
[16:41] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~taskcoach-developers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[16:42] <Elliria> Yes, thank you, tomreyn, I'd prefer to use the one in the official Ubuntu repositories if at all possible, especially since you'all said 16.04 will still be supported for a couple of more years, so I'm not in a hurry after all.
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: still nice find, i affected tomreyn found bug
[16:45] <Elliria> Here's my bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taskcoach/+bug/1817755
[16:45] <Elliria> If you've never tried the program, you're in for a real treat.
[16:47] <Elliria> That bug reporting interface is buggy. It says "No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)" even though I updated right before I came in here and have been updating that copy of Ubuntu all along.
[16:49] <tomreyn> Elliria: This "upgrade" statement refers to a release upgrade.
[16:49] <tomreyn> identified by whether or not /var/log/release-upgrade exists, i think
[16:50] <Elliria> Ah, okay. Then it's accurate. I grabbed that ISO and ran it in a VM without upgrading something else to get to where it's currently at.
[16:50] <Elliria> I should pay better attention.
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: also link the duplicat bug # tomreyn found to your bug
[16:50]  * Elliria kicks self in head
[16:51] <Elliria> The SourceForge bug? That's in my report.
[16:51] <tomreyn> Launchpad bug 1769701 - of which you filed a dupe
[16:52] <Elliria> Why didn't Launchpad find that when it did the search for me?
[16:52] <tomreyn> i searches for similar headlines
[16:52] <tomreyn> not for similar bug pattern, i think
[16:53] <tomreyn> there's a lot of ambiguity around the "upgrade" and "update" terms, so don't kick yourself in the head for that.
[16:56] <Elliria> Done. It timed out a few times before it accepted it as a duplicate.
[16:57] <tomreyn> :-/ happens occasionally.
[16:58] <Zewwy> Why is it so hard to set a static IP
[16:58] <Zewwy> liike WTF
[16:58] <dwts> hello everyone, I have a UEFI thinkpad laptop where I want to install Ubuntu. I do not care about the existing Windows 10 installation, is it safe to choose "Use the entire disk" option on the installer? I've already disabled secure boot and have enabled both UEFI and Legacy Boot (Legacy first)
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | Zewwy
[16:59] <Zewwy> Sorry man, just exremely fustrated
[16:59] <Zewwy> I found /etc/network/intrefaces so easy
[16:59] <Zewwy> this netplan thinng
[16:59] <Zewwy> bah
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: I assume you're on Ubuntu server?
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: affected your bug and updated my experience
[16:59] <Zewwy> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[16:59] <Zewwy> Yes!
[16:59] <Zewwy> why is this so hard
[17:00] <dwts> if that matters, it's a thikpad t470s
[17:00] <Zewwy> I followed this, did what it said by changing the 50-cloud-init.yaaml
[17:00] <dwts> thinkpad*
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: Well, the article you posted... is from a link farm, I personally avoid those
[17:00] <Elliria> Thank you lotuspsychje. I also added myself to that duplicate bug. I didn't mean to create a duplicate.
[17:00] <Zewwy> ran the command but it didn't work
[17:00] <Zewwy> Why is it so hard to find guides to very common tasks?
[17:00] <Elliria> Heh, tomreyn, a swift kick to the head occasionally shakes things up so they work right again.
[17:00] <Zewwy> and why was it made so diffuclt
[17:01] <OerHeks> Zewwy, netplan gives an advantage, get used to it
[17:01] <Elliria> That particular task is a bit tricky, Zewwy. I've got a guide for that, but it's ridiculously out of date and the one I'm working on as a replacement is getting more and more complex as I go, so I keep putting it off.
[17:01] <Zewwy> Wow...
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: Is it possible for you to post your yaml file?
[17:02] <OerHeks> "ip a " shows your adapter, easy peasy
[17:02] <Zewwy> paraxial7: it's exactly yhte same as the link I shared
[17:02] <Zewwy> besides the IPs
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: That's kind of the important part though... making sure you don't have something configured to overlap
[17:03] <tomreyn> Elliria: well then, do as you mnust. ;-)
[17:03] <exHumanoids> msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER exHumanoids msyahyixztts
[17:03] <dwts> lol
[17:03] <exHumanoids> msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER exHumanoids msyahyixztts
[17:03] <Zewwy> Oresrian: so does hostname -I
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> exHumanoids: You need to change your password now
[17:03] <Zewwy> but its blank cause its not working as expected
[17:03] <dwts> exHumanoids: you are doing it wrong man
[17:03] <exHumanoids> venkat789
[17:03] <dwts> you need a / before your msg command
[17:04] <exHumanoids> msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER exHumanoids msyahyixztts
[17:04] <dwts> exHumanoids: try /msg [commands]
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> exHumanoids: STOP!!!! You are posting your password for everyone to see!
[17:04] <dwts> exHumanoids: and change your password
[17:04] <OerHeks> exHumanoids, you are logged in already, good
[17:05] <tomreyn> exHumanoids: also for your next password, use some upper case characters, digits and special characters, too.
[17:05] <tomreyn> oh wait this was just the verification code, sorry
[17:06] <Zewwy> https://pastebin.com/RUm6uGGM
[17:06] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: is this a cloud instance of ubuntu?
[17:06] <Zewwy> pragmaticenigma: anything wrong?
[17:06] <Zewwy> how shoudl I know i just grabbed 18.04 LTS
[17:06] <Zewwy> didn't even know there was sucha  thing
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: You mentioned you were editing the 50-cloud-init.yaml file... I believe that is for cloud instances (think Amazon AWS, etc)
[17:07] <Zewwy> but... but... I just grabbed the server edition of 18.04 LTS from ubuntu site
[17:07] <Zewwy> it didn't say there were special versinos
[17:08] <teward> pragmaticenigma: 50-cloud-init.yaml is generated by the live server installer
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> teward: thanks for the info
[17:08] <teward> that's the netplan file to edit if you're using the Subiquity based installer
[17:08] <tomreyn> dwts: to answer your earlier question, if you're happy to overwrite / delete all previous OS installations *and* the data you had stored there, then "use the entire disk" is the right choice.
[17:08] <Zewwy> uhhhhh... i unno what any of that means
[17:09] <teward> Zewwy: i was targeting pragmaticenigma with my messages, sorry :P
[17:09] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: Do you know the name of your ethernet adapter? Are you sure it is enp0s3?
[17:09] <dwts> tomreyn: yeah, it's a laptop that just arrived, no data of mine there
[17:09] <Zewwy> so I have to grab the "tradintiaol installer?
[17:09] <dwts> tomreyn: thank you man
[17:09] <Zewwy> pragmaticenigma: It's a BVM
[17:09] <Zewwy> with VMxNET3
[17:09] <Zewwy> pragmaticenigma: from looking at debian insalls and /etc/network/interafces I believe that was what shows
[17:10] <Zewwy> but that may have been a E1000 NIC
[17:10] <Zewwy> pragmaticenigma: So I have to use the traditional installer?
[17:10] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: Did you download Ubuntu server from here: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[17:10] <Zewwy> yes
[17:11] <Zewwy> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/thank-you?version=18.04.2&architecture=amd64
[17:11] <tomreyn> dwts: consider upgrading all devices' firmwares and doing some stress testing before you replace windows.
[17:11] <dwts> tomreyn: ah, too late, already deleted the partitions ;P
[17:11] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: Then I believe you have the right version
[17:11] <Zewwy> pragmaticenigma: And then whats wrong with my "netplan"
[17:12] <OerHeks> Zewwy, the spacing, see https://pastebin.com/1Hp0nW6C
[17:12] <tomreyn> dwts: those can be recovered using testdisk, but not sure it's worth it.
[17:12] <Zewwy> it got an IP via DHCP fine
[17:12] <Zewwy> I set stuff up and just wanted to set a sttic IP
[17:12] <Zewwy> on Debian it was sooo eeasy
[17:12] <Zewwy> thats syntax requirement is so dumb
[17:12] <OerHeks> after that, sudo netplan apply
[17:12] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: It's not dumb if it works
[17:13] <dwts> tomreyn: nah, I'm not going to use testdisk just for that
[17:13] <Zewwy> it's dumb if you can do it witeasier with less huiman error
[17:13] <dwts> I thinkn there are still options to update firmware even with linux
[17:14] <Zewwy> I'm gonna rebuild my server... I think I may have caught the issue.. one sec
[17:16] <tomreyn> dwts: ThinkPad T470s is actually supported by LVFS, so you can just install bios upgrades from ubuntu
[17:16] <dwts> tomreyn: sounds good, can you share your source if that's easy please?
[17:17] <tomreyn> https://fwupd.org/users
[17:17] <dwts> tomreyn: you sir rock!
[17:18] <tomreyn> not i, but the guy who runs and pushes LVFS.
[17:18] <tomreyn> Richard Hughes
[17:19] <dwts> hehe
[17:19] <Elliria> Zewwy, this page might be useful: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029531/how-to-setup-a-static-ip-on-ubuntu-server-18-04
[17:19] <Zewwy> thanks everyone for helping out so far, and tolerating my ignorance
[17:19] <Zewwy> thanks Elliria
[17:19] <Elliria> Any time. Good luck.
[17:20] <Zewwy> "And I've seen other people saying that in 18.04 it's now on /etc/netplan (which people seem unhappy about)" lol
[17:21] <Zewwy> "Config file is in YAML format: Don't use TAB when configuring the file. It only works with SPACE." lol
[17:21] <Zewwy> omg
[17:21] <Elliria> Yeah, that seems to be the main gotcha that's getting a lot of people.
[17:21] <Zewwy> so bad
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: The spaces are needed for the parser to know the different levels... a single tab is hard to interpret, two tabs and files are hard to read
[17:22] <Zewwy> pragmaticenigma: which is bad, use better delimters
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: YAML requires two spaces for each level
[17:23] <pragmaticenigma> Zewwy: it's not a delimiter though
[17:23] <Elliria> There should probably be a warning about that at the top of the file by default.
[17:23] <Zewwy> Elliria: agreed!
[17:23] <Elliria> I'm a tabber from way back and would have gotten bitten by that if I hadn't happened to read about it beforehand.
[17:25] <Zewwy> I still tab
[17:25] <Zewwy> love it
[17:29] <Elliria> Same here. Some programs really care about it, though, like that YAML. Python is another one where you have to watch your p's and q's when it comes to tabbing (or indenting with spaces) to avoid errors.
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> for discussions move to #ubuntu-discuss please
[17:31] <Elliria> I'm off. Thank you for all the help!
[17:48] <neachdainn> Hey all. Any idea where I can find out the plan for Rust support on 14.04? I need to decide if I should wait for rustc 1.31 to be available or if I should change my library to only require 1.30
[17:52] <leftyfb> neachdainn: Ubuntu 14.04 will be EOL 6 months from now
[17:53] <neachdainn> I know. I'm not in control of the Ubuntu version
[17:54] <leftyfb> !lts | neachdainn
[17:54] <leftyfb> neachdainn: you're only going to get security patches at this point
[17:56] <neachdainn> At this point, or after the EOL?
[17:57] <antonyb> hey guys i was wondering if i can get some help, im using ubuntu 18.04 and i decided to give kde a try, ive installed it and its changed my boot loading screen is there anyway to revert it?
[17:57] <neachdainn> Because Rustc 1.30 came out only a few months ago and 1.31 has been out for only six weeks less. I just need one more version bump in Ubuntu before the EOL
[17:58] <lotuspsychje__> antonyb: testing out other flavors on a current ubuntu is good for testing, but uninstalling it back might give issues or conflicts
[17:59] <lotuspsychje__> antonyb: i would reccomend if you like a flavor, install the flavor clean
[18:32] <donofrio_> once crontab'ed how do you check (besides a write a file or something) that the crontab is indeed running when it's told to...?
[18:32] <leftyfb> donofrio_: syslog
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio_: Monitor syslog... look for lines with CRON on them
[18:32] <donofrio_> got this "0 5 * * 1 apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y && apt-get autoremove -y && apt-get autoclean -y && sync && sync" but unsure if that is all that is needed to ensure I get all my uded to ensre I get all my updates
[18:33] <donofrio_> oh ok I'll go check there
[18:33] <leftyfb> donofrio_: that is a really dangerous thing to do
[18:33] <leftyfb> also, no need to sync
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio_: You don't need a lot of the commands you have there
[18:35] <OerHeks> autoclean is not reallly usefull in this combo, but oke
[18:35] <donofrio_> ok, I just want something that updates and I don't have to think about it from now on....
[18:35] <leftyfb> apt full-upgrade --autoremove
[18:35] <Mordoc> donofrio, Have you looked into unattended updates? There is a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ called 50unattended-upgrades. You can configure that to do daily upgrades/updates.
[18:35] <donofrio_> Mordoc, not looked into that yet....
[18:36] <Mordoc> Take a look, it can do automated auto-removes, exclusion of packages, auto reboots (only if wanted), emails on completion, etc.
[18:36] <donofrio_> Mordoc, do you have one already done that just does what I was wanting?
[18:37] <Mordoc> donofrio, Here's some more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.html.en
[18:37] <Mordoc> It's preconfigured with the options commented out... Just uncomment the options you want.
[18:46] <mrperfektone> Hello :)
[18:47] <mrperfektone> I get this error in dmesg: "Firmware Bug]: ACPI region doesn't cover the entire command / response buffe
[18:47] <mrperfektone> Anyone know if it matters?
[18:47] <mrperfektone> Machine runs fine :)
[18:49] <mrperfektone> "[Firmware Bug]: ACPI region does not cover the entire command/response buffer. [mem 0xfed40000-0xfed4087f flags 0x200] vs fed40080 f80"
[18:50] <MadMose> Did the repository 'http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu xenial-getdeb Release' change its location?
[18:54] <lordcirth_> MadMose, I think you will need to ask them; that's not an official Ubuntu repo
[18:58] <mannoname> hello
[18:58] <mannoname> if i set raid0 with lvm linear, does it writte data as linear or stripe?
[18:59] <mannoname> because now i get 300MB but hdd can handle 1700MB
[18:59] <lordcirth_> mannoname, MB/s ?
[19:00] <mannoname> yes
[19:00] <lordcirth_> How many drives do you have?
[19:00] <mannoname> 10
[19:00] <mannoname> Timing cached reads:   24516 MB in  1.99 seconds = 12295.53 MB/sec
[19:00] <mannoname> 01 Timing buffered disk reads: 3976 MB in  3.00 seconds = 1324.62 MB/sec
[19:00] <lordcirth_> mannoname, do you need LVM for other reasons, or only for the raid?
[19:01] <mannoname> for one big plate
[19:01] <lordcirth_> Since I would normally use mdadm, not lvm
[19:01] <lordcirth_> Or better yet, ZFS
[19:01] <mannoname> just raid0 wihtout lvm?
[19:01] <mannoname> could that lvm slows that much?
[19:01] <lordcirth_> Are you just putting one big filesystem on top? You don't need to make and delete LVs?
[19:01] <Zewwy> ZFS ftw
[19:02] <mannoname> because its linear and writtes just to one dis?
[19:02] <mannoname> disk*
[19:02] <lordcirth_> I've never done LVM raid0 myself
[19:02] <lordcirth_> linear mode would get you 1-disk performance when doing one read at a time
[19:02] <Zewwy> JBOD + ZFS = da bears
[19:03] <lordcirth_> If you want faster sequential read, you'd need striping of some sort
[19:03] <mannoname> well i have raid0 and then 3lvms in it for root swap and gome
[19:03] <mannoname> home*
[19:03] <Zewwy> raid0 is striping isn't it?
[19:03] <mannoname> yes it is
[19:03] <mannoname> but lvm linear so i think its not stripping
[19:03] <Zewwy> mhmm
[19:03] <Zewwy> yeah i haven't used lvm much
[19:04] <mannoname> or there is other bottleneck for 300MB?
[19:04] <Zewwy> NICs?
[19:04] <mannoname> well i've updated drivers no effect
[19:04] <Zewwy> or you doing direct I/O testing on the host server?
[19:05] <mannoname> no not direct
[19:05] <mannoname> i tried speedtest-cli iperf
[19:05] <lordcirth_> Those are network bandwidth testers?
[19:05] <mannoname> yes
[19:06] <lordcirth_> A 10-disk raid0 will be bottlenecked by a gigabit NIC
[19:06] <mannoname> why?
[19:06] <MadMose> Thanks lordcirth_ I will.  Chao!
[19:06] <Zewwy> that's why i asked for NICs
[19:06] <mannoname> its 10gbE
[19:06] <Zewwy> that should be good
[19:07] <mannoname> netperf -T0,0 -C -c
[19:07] <mannoname> MIGRATED TCP STREAM TEST from 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) port 0 AF_INET to localhost.localdomain () port 0 AF_INET : demo : cpu bind
[19:07] <mannoname> Recv   Send    Send                          Utilization       Service Demand
[19:07] <mannoname> Socket Socket  Message  Elapsed              Send     Recv     Send    Recv
[19:07] <Zewwy> SPF, or BASE-T?
[19:07] <mannoname> Size   Size    Size     Time     Throughput  local    remote   local   remote
[19:07] <mannoname> bytes  bytes   bytes    secs.    10^6bits/s  % S      % S      us/KB   us/KB
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | mannoname
[19:07] <Zewwy> or pastebin :P
[19:08] <lordcirth_> mannoname, so, the benchmark that is getting 300MB/s is over what? HTTP?
[19:08] <mannoname> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y2sry92chY/
[19:08] <mannoname> Direct Attach Copper
[19:08] <mannoname> no not http i dont use that
[19:09] <mannoname> speedtest-cli or iperf
[19:10] <mannoname> lordcirth_
[19:10] <lordcirth_> That paste, you did netperf to localhost?
[19:10] <lordcirth_> Not sure what use that is
[19:10] <mannoname> it test local ethernet speed still not good not 10gb
[19:11] <lordcirth_> mannoname, that paste shows 27Gb/s over localhost
[19:11] <mannoname> is it?
[19:11] <mannoname> hmm thought its 270
[19:11] <lordcirth_> Throughput 10^6bits/s 27608.43
[19:11] <mannoname> is there 40gb iperf server to test or ubuntu server?
[19:12] <lordcirth_> mannoname, 40Gb/s over the internet? no
[19:12] <Zewwy> how could you get 27Gp/s on a 10Gb/s NIC?
[19:12] <lordcirth_> At least, not that I know of
[19:12] <lordcirth_> Zewwy, the paste is over localhost
[19:12] <Zewwy> oh
[19:12] <lordcirth_> It's probably just single-thread bound
[19:13] <_Sym_> On Ubuntu 18.04, the last release of gnome-shell_3.28.3-0ubuntu0.18.04.4 added a security fix that is causing a bunch of JS errors (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/commit/551e827841626cd8084daa2210b3bf60e5be96be)
[19:13] <mannoname> [  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  4.01 GBytes  3.44 Gbits/sec
[19:13] <_Sym_> this needs to be added to fix it https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/commit/74bb9e62492bacda372904d30891eb97685e9b0c
[19:14] <lordcirth_> _Sym_, has an Ubuntu bug been filed?
[19:14] <_Sym_> not sure
[19:14] <hggdh> _Sym_: you might want to let the folsk at #ubuntu-hardened know about this
[19:14] <lordcirth_> "No results for search KeyboardManager.holdKeyboard"
[19:15] <_Sym_> ok
[19:16] <Zewwy> Yay I got my static IP set
[19:16] <Zewwy> and it was human error what a shocker
[19:16] <Zewwy> go YAML
[19:16] <nonames> so no help for that?
[19:18] <lordcirth_> nonames, I'm still not sure what you want here. First you were asking about raid0 performance, now network.
[19:18] <lordcirth_> What do you need?
[19:20] <nonames> i need to achieve 10gb speed
[19:21] <Zewwy> is your storage server running Ubuntu?
[19:21] <nonames> yes
[19:21] <Zewwy> those 27GB/s results were from this storage server?
[19:21] <Zewwy> Gbps*
[19:21] <nonames> yes its localhost test
[19:22] <Zewwy> I'd setup a server in the same network, and try another I/O test. it all comes down to how you attach the storae on another machine? iSCSI/NFS... whatever?
[19:23] <Zewwy> persoanlly when testing storage i liek to make a simple iSCSI target on my storage server, attach it to a networked machine and do another reg I/O test
[19:23] <Zewwy> avoiding protcol overhead for other network testing means
[19:24] <Zewwy> there are a thousnad ways to skin a cat in this case, which is why people are having a hard time helping you
[19:27] <pragmatic_enigma> nonames: To help us, help you. Please explain in full detail what you are attempting to do. Giving out information in small pieces is  potentially going to result in inadequate advice. If you provide the entire scenario, the guidance provided will be far more helpful to you.
[19:29] <nonames> i have 10gb netcard witch capable of 1000MB network speed, now i get just 300MB. I've set raid0+3lvm disks
[19:29] <nonames> how to get 1000MB speed
[19:30] <nonames> ?
[19:30] <nonames> pragmatic_enigma
[19:30] <pragmatic_enigma> what type of controller are the harddrives connected to?
[19:31] <nonames> its software raid
[19:31] <pragmatic_enigma> nonames: That is not at all what I asked
[19:31] <pragmatic_enigma> SATA 1, 2, 3 ??
[19:31] <nonames> 3
[19:33] <pragmatic_enigma> nonames: Lets start with some networking basics... network speed ratings are theoretical. Under labratory condition you could expect those speeds. Many factors affect the speed, including and not limited to, existing network traffic, quality of the ethernet cables connecting to the devices, if the main switch also is provided other services such as wifi.
[19:33] <nonames> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nRBQYdqM3J/
[19:34] <nonames> its direct attached coper cable its in datacenter with 10gb uplink
[19:34] <pragmatic_enigma> nonames: On top of that, system IO will limit the speed from which your computer will access the data from the drives. If the machine is busy processing other tasks, drive throughput will decrease. Since you have a software raid setup, that will degrade performance significantly, as the CPU has to find all the data on the various disks involved
[19:35] <nonames> 12cpu runing 8%
[19:35] <nonames> using performance governor
[19:35] <pragmatic_enigma> nonames: I'm done trying to help... your just throwing random stuff out and you don't appear to know what you are doing. If you did know what you were doing, you wouldn't be running a software raid in a production datacenter
[19:36] <pragmatic_enigma> and expecting high performance
[19:36] <nonames> thats not high performance disk can handle 17GB read and geting just 300mb thats mean lvm linears bottleneck it what i want to find out
[19:37] <nonames> does lvm linear will write to one disk or striped?
[19:48] <vcavallo> Would someone mind mentioning me so I can check this hilight setup?
[19:49] <vcavallo> @vcavallo
[19:49] <vcavallo> vcavallo: test
[19:49] <vcavallo> sorry :|
[19:51] <badhatter> vcavallo, hello
[19:51] <badhatter> @vcavallo, another test
[19:52] <vcavallo> badhatter: thanks :)
[19:53] <johnfg> hi guys
[19:53] <pragmatic_enigma> nonames: LVM is not RAID... LVM is a volume manager that allows you to group multiple disks together and treat them as a single drive. It has no RAID equivalent
[19:55] <johnfg> yesterday, I was going to install ubuntu-server-18.04.  I wanted to use an existing vg and lv's.
[19:55] <johnfg> However, the installer didn't recognize or show them.
[19:56] <johnfg> from ubuntuforums, they suggest to boot from the livecd to try without installing; install lvm2, then start the installation.
[19:56] <johnfg> Is there any other way to get the installer to recognize existing vgs and lvs?
[19:56] <nonames> lvscan -all
[19:57] <pragmatic_enigma> johnfg: Try asking in #ubuntu-server
[19:57] <OerHeks> live-server could do that fine?
[20:06] <johnfg> nonames: I'll go over to ubuntu-server, but how would I run lvscan -all from the installer?  Does it allow to drop out to a cli? or another tty?
[20:06] <lordcirth_> johnfg, alt-F2 should get you a TTY
[20:07] <johnfg> lordcirth_: and there run the lvscan -all?
[20:07] <OerHeks> live-server could do that fine?
[20:07] <tgm4883> ^
[20:12] <johnfg> Thanks for the help guys!
[20:35] <catbeard> so i used nvidia-detect to see what driver i need
[20:35] <catbeard> https://termbin.com/oysc
[20:35] <catbeard> something about held packages and unmet dependencies
[20:39] <genii> catbeard: Try running sudo apt-get update, and then the nvidia-detect again
[20:41] <ioria> catbeard, i thin you are on deian...
[20:42] <ioria> *debian
[20:42] <catbeard> bunsenlabs but yes
[20:42] <catbeard> didn't work
[20:42] <lordcirth_> catbeard, this is the Ubuntu support channel, not bunsenlabs
[20:43] <catbeard> i know but they're all zZz's
[20:43] <catbeard> and it's based on apt
[20:43] <lordcirth_> catbeard, you could ask on #ubuntu-offtopic, perhaps.
[20:43] <lordcirth_> Or ##linux
[20:44] <catbeard> ty
[21:25] <bono2> if my cpu has no updates for spectre/meltdown protection do i still suffer any performance impact from any software updates to address them?
[21:26] <bono2> oops, i mean only spectre v2
[21:26] <rbo> Hi
[21:27] <rbo> I have a file with some characters in it, but whenever I cat the file, it gives me some erroneus output, like it will push the characters infront of my terminal name like such: "someChars$username@hostname:"
[21:27] <skr> bono2, yes.
[21:27] <rbo> where someChars was inside of the file.
[21:28] <rbo> does anyone or has anyone experienced this issue and know how I can view the weird characters or formatting that is on the file itself?
[21:28] <hggdh> rbo: probably there is no line feed at the end of the file
[21:28] <bono2> skr: so, if the updates are essentially worthless for my hardware, is it worth using the kernel flags to disable to protections (to regain performance?)
[21:28] <skr> rbo: file file.txt
[21:28] <rbo> response was: "ASCII text, with no line terminators"
[21:29] <rbo> so "file" may provide some guidance.
[21:29] <lordcirth_> bono2, the performance hits from the kernel patches are minimal for most use cases. Do you have a reason to believe that your use case is hitting this problem?
[21:30] <skr> rbo, i would try iconv -f ascii -t utf8 < file.txt > newfile.txt
[21:30] <skr> bono2, why would you want that?
[21:30] <bono2> lordcirth_: i want to know if my hardware is not protected anyway (no firmware fixes are available for my cpu, so essentially unfixable), is it worth even using protection in the kernel?
[21:31] <lordcirth_> bono2, yes, the kernel workarounds fix a number of security issues
[21:33] <bono2> lordcirth_: what if i disable the spectre v2 protections only (the ones requiring firmware updates to fully patch against)?
[21:34] <lordcirth_> bono2, I am not sure of the details (this class of bugs is complicated) but you are talking about tinkering with your kernel security to possibly get an unnoticeable performance improvement. I would recommend leaving it alone.
[21:44] <rbo> skr: the problem is, the contents of this file was used to encrypt other files. so if there was any kind of weird whitespace (like the situation I am having now) the decrypt fails... ) :(
[21:45] <tonyt> is there anyway to install bitchx any more in ubuntu? didnt have much luck find an easy way to do it when i searched google
[21:46] <teward> tonyt: short of downloading and compiling it yourself, I don't think so?
[21:46] <tonyt> teward you happen to have a link that would explain how to do that? still a bit new to linux
[21:46] <rbo> tonyt: it's not difficult to compile and install it, just download the package, tar -xvzf <bitchx.tar.gz> do ./configure; make && make install, once that is completed you can run bitchx
[21:47] <rbo> tonyt: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=830388
[21:47] <teward> tonyt: http://www.bitchx.com/faq.php <-- maybe this?
[21:47] <tonyt> thanks rbo. ill have a look see
[21:47] <tonyt> thanks
[21:47] <rbo> sorry, that link I provided is wrong, thats for bitchX binaries
[21:47] <nerdcore> wow BitchX still exists? I gave up years ago and just use irssi now :P
[21:47] <rbo> there is 2 ways, one compile through source, the other is precompiled binaries.
[21:48] <josefig> someone says BitchX ? I loved it :P
[21:48] <rbo> nerdcore: bitchX is pretty bad ass, I never actually tried to modify the source, but when I looked, I saw how powerful it was and I went back.
[21:48] <rbo> though I'm on irssi now. I usually install it on my daily driver.
[21:48] <teward> !offtopic | rbo, josefig, nerdcore
[21:48] <rbo> ok
[21:48] <nerdcore> that is interesting rbo because I seem to recall someone saying that project had died. Not sure what they were smoking.
[21:49] <rbo> nerdcore offtopic! lol
[21:49] <tonyt> when i do configure it ends in configure: error: cannot find setupterm or tgetent
[21:49] <nerdcore> i know... I don't even IRC from Ubuntu actually. I'll STFU now ;)
[21:51] <teward> tonyt: then you need to find and install dependencies. (but that's a little harder to explain via IRC)
[21:54] <BrainFog> Anyone got any ideas why a second monitor (VGA) isn't being detected on 18.04 with AMD 380x
[21:54] <josefig> teward, no problem.
[21:55] <tomreyn> BrainFog: use HWE kernel + X
[21:55] <SimonNL> BrainFog: laptop ?
[21:55] <BrainFog> pc
[21:56] <SimonNL> nm then
[21:56] <tonyt> teward,ok. thanks
[21:56] <tomreyn> BrainFog: sorry, ignore what i said, i was thinking this was newer. but you could actually try nevertheless.
[21:58] <SimonNL> BrainFog: in display settings app is second monitor enabled ?
[21:58] <BrainFog> I only see one monitor
[21:59] <BrainFog> Also if I boot with both monitors plugged in I get a blank purple screen
[21:59] <tomreyn> BrainFog: if you can connect the monitor via hdmi or displayport instead, but all means, do.
[22:00] <tomreyn> even dvi
[22:00] <BrainFog> well the monitor only has VGA and I have VGA to DVI connector on it.
[22:01] <BrainFog> and I dont have any suitable displayport/hdmi adaptors
[22:07] <tomreyn> BrainFog: those card have some issues (this is from a windows perspective, and it may not be exactly the bug you're seeing, but it may suggest that things weren't quite right in this series) https://www.pcinvasion.com/r9-380-black-screen-issues-amds-persistent-unsolved-bug/
[22:09] <tomreyn> it is possible that this is fixed in the HWE kernel, though
[22:11] <BrainFog> I'll give it a try
[22:12] <tomreyn> BrainFog: oh and use it with amdgpu, not the radeon driver.
[22:12] <tomreyn> https://forum.level1techs.com/t/amd-r9-390-finally-usable-on-linux/131922
[22:14] <tomreyn> no need to upgrade your kernel / to use ukuu, though.
[22:32] <Kingsy> can someone tell me what this is --> /sys/devices/virtual/hwmon/hwmon3 <-- earlier today it was there (temp readout) and now it is gone... why? how can things like a temp monitor appear and vanish like that?
[22:40] <_ramok> good evening
[22:41] <tomreyn> Kingsy: if the kernel module which provides it is unloaded, this could cause the sysfs 'path' to vanish
[22:41] <_ramok> i did a fresh install of 18.04.1 LTS minimal and i#m getting the following message when running apt-get update https://pastebin.com/HsjgZwVp
[22:41] <_ramok> any idea how to fix this?
[22:42] <OerHeks> _ramok,  line 18# Mirror sync in progress? wait a minute and try again
[22:42] <_ramok> OerHeks: i'm waiting since 10 minutes already
[22:42] <tomreyn> Kingsy: actually, i *think* it's so, i'm not actually certain. https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/hwmon/sysfs-interface discusses this interface.
[22:42] <_ramok> i was also running a apt-get clean
[22:42] <_ramok> and rebooted the machine
[22:42] <_ramok> didn't help
[22:45] <OerHeks> _ramok, then change mirror,in the sources menu?
[22:45] <tomreyn> _ramok: maybe hetners' mirror server is having some issue. you could try an official mirror instead. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[22:48] <_ramok> thanks for pointing it out
[22:54] <Kingsy> wow that is alot of information
[22:54] <Kingsy> hehe
[22:54] <Kingsy> tomreyn: but why would the kernel module be unloaded? All I did was reboot. I suppose he laptop is no longer plugged in
[22:55] <tomreyn> Kingsy: maybe the situation that caused a module to be loaded previously no longer exists.
[22:56] <Kingsy> so strange. can you even tell what each temp monitor is "monitoring" ?
[22:56] <Kingsy> just two random read outs really. as far as I am concerned anyway
[22:56] <Kingsy> like is it CPU? GPU etc is what I mean
[22:58] <tomreyn> cat /sys/devices/virtual/hwmon/hwmon3/name
[22:58] <Kingsy> thanks
[22:59] <Kingsy> woah, its a temp readout for my networkcard? iwlwifi ? does that make sense?
[22:59] <lenoxx> Hello! I am trying to get pam exec to run a python script that opens a window, but I keep getting 3 errors: Failed to Connecto to Mir, unable to init server, and GTK warning cannot open display. I am using cv2 ( mainly read() and show() )
[22:59] <tomreyn> it's probably more about power consumption and energy efficiency then
[23:00] <lenoxx> I assume its becase its being ran as root? How can I get pam exec to run these as myself (I am useing seteuid)
[23:00] <Kingsy> so the 3 read outs -> acpitz, pch_skylake and iwlwifi
[23:00] <Kingsy> the second, skylake is CPU temp right?
[23:01] <lenoxx> yes
[23:01] <lenoxx> (i have a skylake cpu)
[23:01] <Kingsy> what about acpitz ?
[23:01] <lenoxx> acpi thermal zone
[23:03] <Kingsy> 2no even sure what that is
[23:03] <Kingsy> haha, I'll google
[23:03] <lenoxx> Also if someone can point me in the direction of a good place to ask about Pam exec, id appreciate it!
[23:03] <lenoxx> best if you google..it is not what it seems and sometimes not useful on certain machines
[23:04] <Kingsy> yeah I don't think I will use the sensor. I'll just chuck out the CPI temp. seems like the most useful
[23:28] <Kingsy> does anyone know the best font package to install on ubuntu to give me the most monospace terminal choices? I need them to display in xfontsel too
[23:44] <palate> hello
[23:44] <palate> I downloaded Ubuntu mini (mini.iso) and burned it on a USB key. Doesn't look at all like what I would expect to get
[23:45] <leftyfb> palate: that is basically the server installer which pulls all the packages from the internet
[23:45] <palate> I would expect a unix-like file system (/, /var, /home, etc)
[23:45] <palate> leftyfb:right
[23:45] <palate> So my issue is that: I have an Intel NUC, and I want to install Ubuntu on it. But I don't have a keyboard, for some reason
[23:45] <leftyfb> ok?
[23:46] <palate> So I'd like to install Ubuntu in such a way that it connects to my home network, so that I can ssh into it
[23:46] <palate> I was looking at the preseed stuff
[23:46] <palate> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler/Preseed
[23:46] <palate> Where they say something like `sudo vim /var/lib/cobbler/kickstarts/ubuntu-nqa.seed`
[23:47] <palate> So I download mini.iso (and ubuntu server, btw), `dd` it on a USB key, and mount it. And there I see that `/var` doesn't exist
[23:47] <leftyfb> palate: how are you typing if you don't have a keyboard?
[23:47] <palate> leftyfb: I have a laptop, and an Intel NUC
[23:48] <leftyfb> palate: the installer doesn't have a normal linux filesystem. It used Ubiquity
[23:48] <palate> I don't think I can plug my laptop's keyboard into my NUC xD
[23:48] <leftyfb> palate: does your NUC support AMT?
[23:49] <palate> leftyfb: no clue :/. I can investigate that, I guess
[23:49] <palate> leftyfb: I was hoping to get a minimal Ubuntu image, and enter the network information there from my laptop
[23:50] <OerHeks> how would you setup the NUC bios correctly without key-thingy?
[23:50] <leftyfb> palate: that would give you out of band remote access to the NUC like you had a keyboard and monitor on it but using your laptop
[23:51] <palate> OerHeks: Not sure, I'm trying to find a way xD
[23:51] <palate> leftyfb: that actually sounds good. Let me check
[23:51] <leftyfb> palate: could also support ipmi, but I doubt it
[23:51] <OerHeks> booting without keyboard needs at least a keyboard setting: no halt on error
[23:52] <tomreyn> OerHeks: by connecting via vnc, then pressing F2 according to http://wiki.networksecuritytoolkit.org/index.php/HowTo_Headless_Intel_NUC_vPro_AMT
[23:53] <tomreyn> http://wiki.networksecuritytoolkit.org/index.php/HowTo_Headless_Intel_NUC_vPro_AMT#Enabling_KVM_.28VNC.29_Without_A_Keyboard
[23:53] <tomreyn> full link
[23:53] <OerHeks> thanks, interesting
[23:54] <palate> tomreyn: seems interesting, thanks!
[23:55] <palate> So does AMT mean that even if nothing is installed on the system, booting it means that it will connect to the network?
[23:55] <palate> sounds like it's done at the bios level
[23:55] <leftyfb> yes