[01:44] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Even better was the Materia GTK theme with the Papirus icons. That's what I went with.
[01:57] <OvenWerks> OK
[02:18] <OvenWerks> something smells though... why do I have:  ubuntustudio-menu 0.27-0~201902251915~ubuntu19.04.1 (Newer version available)???
[02:29] <OvenWerks> seems to be launchpad oddness
 I think that has to do with the package version in the repos as opposed to the PPA.
[02:54] <OvenWerks> but the ppa looks newer and apt thinks it is newer too, but whatever. When they finally get released the version will go up
[04:58] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Launchpad is launchpad.
[04:59] <Eickmeyer> Must be some kind of discrepancy between launchpad's version tracking and apt.
[05:26] <krytarik> Maybe if you took care of the changelog along the way and incremented the version number...
[05:47] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: We've been trying to along the way.
[05:48] <Eickmeyer> And, even if we have, Launchpad still sometimes shows a newer version available.
[05:48]  * Eickmeyer needs to go to bed.
[05:58] <krytarik> And <https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/commit/?id=19028bf7dbb1c50fb22229679dc6a09e7b2e663f> reverts the fix in <https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/commit/?id=7572f1cc49f1a23033c0321e492be0c2272b61ed> - we've already been where users see launchers for apps that aren't even installed.
[06:00] <OvenWerks> The thing is they are installed...
[06:01] <OvenWerks> The two that were fixed
[06:02] <OvenWerks> It does not reverse the three that were removed because the application is not there
[06:03] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: ^
[06:05] <krytarik> LP: #1617846
[06:05] <Eickmeyer> This was something OvenWerks and I worked on together. 
[06:05] <Eickmeyer> This did not revert that fix. 
[06:06] <krytarik> A complete rather than partial .desktop file does revert it.
[06:07] <OvenWerks> A complete rather than a partial seems to be required so that the installed application can actually be used
[06:08] <OvenWerks> That part needed to be reverted in this case. The reason the file was there in the first place was so that a replacement icon could be used... in case someone actually fixed the package.
[06:12] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: The desktop files in question weren't allowing their apps to show. Those particular ones need to show if they are installed. I didn't make the changes without working with OvenWerks. 
[06:14] <Eickmeyer> I didn't make any other changes, save deleting the one preventing xterm from showing per OvenWerks. 
[06:15] <Eickmeyer> Therefore, that bug fix (gnome color manager) is still in place. 
[15:47] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerk1: Putting those icons in /usr/share/applications was a mistake, I just moved them to their proper place in /usr/share/ubuntustudio/applications. Hopefully they don't disappear.
[16:01] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: icons? I am confused
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> The .desktop files. My bad.
[16:02] <OvenWerk1> Yes the desktop files should remain /usr/share/ubuntustudio
[16:02] <OvenWerk1> (applications)
[16:02] <Eickmeyer> Yep. I had accidentally put them in the wrong spot in -menu.
[16:03] <OvenWerk1> They looked right here.
[16:03] <OvenWerk1> but that is 18.04
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> Right, but they were in /usr/share/applications, which was bound to cause a package conflict.
[16:03] <OvenWerk1> yes
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> Basically I messed-up, but not in the way krytarik thought I did.
[16:17] <OvenWerk1> :)
[16:18] <OvenWerk1> His responce was not called for.
[16:18] <OvenWerk1> However, it probably comes across worse than he meant it.
[16:18] <OvenWerk1> (different cultures and all)
[16:19] <OvenWerk1> My Mother in law died last Friday and so my Yf is in Manilla and the house hold is a bit of a mess and I am not tracking as well as I could be
[16:22] <Eickmeyer> I am so sorry.
[16:22] <OvenWerk1> Mom lived with us for a number of years so she was a part of our family.
[16:23] <OvenWerk1> So I am not likely to be helping people with their machine for a bit... it just takes too much.
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> Absolutely. You take care of you.
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> I was hoping to work on documentation anyhow, but the -menu fixes seemed like a priority.
[16:24] <OvenWerk1> Ya.
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> BTW, we did, in fact, need to bump the version number. So, I did that just now, new build incoming.
[16:25] <OvenWerk1> Normally the version is bumped by whoever releases it... or that used to be the way.
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but Disco didn't like that. It wasn't pulling-in a new version of -menu.
[16:25] <OvenWerk1> That is why we set the builds up the way we do. The date becomes part of the version.
[16:26] <Eickmeyer> It was seeing 0.27 as newer than 0.27-0~[date], which I thought was weird.
[16:27] <OvenWerk1> For backports ppa they shouold only be built whenthere is a release anyway, but for auto builds...
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> The backports PPA is still WIP, which will change once Disco releases.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> Gives people a chance to test newer software right now.
[16:27] <OvenWerk1> right.
[16:29] <OvenWerk1> As the new version of installer gets out, it will be easy for people to add the backport ppa even for one application and then disable it
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> back later, gotta get the kid to the bus stop.
[16:29] <OvenWerk1> I suppose the list in installer should also include packages where updates are available...
[16:29] <OvenWerk1> gotta get mine out the door too
[16:30] <OvenWerk1> that was easy...
[16:32]  * OvenWerk1 puts on Ardour dev hat for a bit
[16:55]  * Eickmeyer is back
[17:09] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: Just tested -menu, we're still good with the icons.
[17:14] <OvenWerk1> cool.
[17:31]  * Eickmeyer is running a build of all recent packages for backports
[17:38] <Eickmeyer> ....and now the build farm is stuck. >.<
[17:39] <OvenWerk1> freeze points are close...
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> Nah, it's not that it's busy. Nothing is moving.
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> Happens occasionally. I typically pin #launchpad and they get stuff moving.
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> Everything went through but -controls, but that's because I tried rebuilding the version already in the PPA. hehe, oops. Sorry for the faili mail.
[18:43] <Eickmeyer> *fail mail
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> Considering dropping this page altogether: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UserGuide
[19:59] <OvenWerk1> Well it is a start... but no real info :P
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I feel like guiding people through workflows rather than let people develop their own workflow is outside of the scope of the project.
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> If we had more people dedicated to working on documentation, that would be one thing, but this "User Guide" has been sitting there for ages with nothing of value that can't be found in the audio handbook or individual application guides found online.
[20:02] <OvenWerk1> even less I think.
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> By the way, I did a thing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioControls
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> Considering scrapping the entire "Older Versions" section.
[20:07] <OvenWerk1> The older version is pre-any-suported-version
[20:07] <OvenWerk1> I have never seen the version ;)
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> Okay, scrapping away.
[20:08] <OvenWerk1> I think I started using Studio at 10.10 or so
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I think we need to encourage people using 18.04 to add the backports PPA anyhow. 
[20:15]  * Eickmeyer is off to do lunch & grocery shopping